Thread 507175184

Why do American planes keep crashing but European ones don't?

>>507175184 (OP)
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Boeing isn’t regulated and outsources all their code to Bangalore, meanwhile Airbus has to hire french and german engineers

>>507175186
Airbus factory right by me

>>507175186
>French engineers
They must be from Alsace, considering Airbus' safety record.

>>507175188
very good saar perfect code saar no errors saar very good code saar only pennies on the dollar benchod

>>507175185
Do you mean that Boeing is shit because black people work there? Maybe Boeing is shit because the senior leadership (regardless of ethnicity) is incompetent

>>507175187
>the company operates major offices and assembly plants in France, Germany, Spain, and the United Kingdom
Truly the company of EVROPA

>>507175184 (OP)
Over 90% of crashes are pilot error, do the math

Airbus just work different. They make parts all over Europe, so if there is a problem an autist will report it and everyone listen because we in Europe hate each other and are eager to point out the flaw to a German or French. Boeing is runnend by bankers, they don't care. All about the shareholders baby.

>>507175184 (OP)
Boeing got taken over by jeets and bean counters

>>507175184 (OP)
pilot error or however the lawyers disappear

>>507175191
Cost cut outsourced production planes flown by cost cut outsourced pilots. If it's Boeing, I'm not going.

>>507175184 (OP)
America cannot manufacture anything anymore. They don't even manufacture the computer chips they sell. TSMC (Taiwan) makes all the "American" chips.

>>507175191
Or maybe Boeing is just shit

>>507175192
So basically Europe is objectively better than the USA

>>507175196
True. And look at American cars. Nobody wants them.

>>507175195
There is a website where you can avoid flying with Boeing. Even KLM that was Boeing for more than 50 years is now replacing its fleet with Airbusses. No way i step into that flying Mcburger coffin.

Boeing doesn't care if their planes crash, more than half their shekels are from their military aviation division.

Big daddy America will always bail them out so the only thing they care is number go up.

>>507175184 (OP)
Our corporate culture of publicly traded slop cares more about appeasing shareholders than making good products and services.
That's why whenever you see an American company go public it always turns to shit in a few years.

IF ITS BOEING I AINT GOING

>>507175200
This is the real reason and it's well-documented. It's fun to blame Indians but it's really the shareholders who should be held responsible.

>>507175184 (OP)
Number 1 rule: always blame it on maintenance.

>>507175198
I'm poor as shit and many routes at my local airport are Ryanair only regardless so I don't have much choice.

>>507175204
Doesn't your country have an extensive rail network? Just drive/ride to a more suitable airport

I'm on a island so that won't do.
For what is worth these serious Boeing accidents never seem to happen in Europe, I don't know if it's because the airlines are better, the air traffic controller are better, they put more scrutiny in maintainance here or it's just pure coincidence, either way I never felt a reason to be super paranoid about flying on a Boeing. I will freely admit that flying on a Airbus feels a lot better though.

>>507175184 (OP)
trump's america

>>507175184 (OP)
Airbus is Messerschmitt

>>507175184 (OP)
Inferior American technology

>>507175184 (OP)
because of DEI policies in America

>>507175206
American pilots are worked like slaves, so they are more likely to "trust" the autopilot and go to sleep. The maintenance workers are the same, rushed and overworked, and management will gladly look the other way if some slow maintenance is skipped so the plane can get back to flying sooner.
My sister is a flight attendant, and they barely have time to clean the plane before the next flight, so the mid-day maintenance and safety checks between flights are probably literally nothing.

>>507175207
Quality has been declining for decades. It only got bad enough in the past few years for planes to start falling out of the sky.

>>507175206
I mean it doesn't happen in the US either. The last big "western" crash was probably the Air France one from Rio where the copilot went full retard. And the Germanwings autist.

>>507175184 (OP)
DEI mean die.

>>507175190
Okay. Why don't the CEO fire all the uncompetant managers and promote the skilled workers into being competent managers?

You know why. Beause blackrock won't let them have money of they do, that's why.

>>507175214
I don't mean only crashes but also incidents like that Alaska Airlines flight where the door blew off.

>>507175216
>Why don't the CEO fire all the uncompetant managers and promote the skilled workers into being competent managers?
The CEO is probably incompetent himself. Maybe he got the job because he was friends with the biggest Boeing shareholder. Then the incompetent CEO just hired his friends instead of competent people.

>>507175184 (OP)
keep blaming DEI when it's not the cause but the symptom, retards
these companies would have been bankrupt years ago if not for good goyim like you who still believe that you are under capitalism

>>507175184 (OP)
american engineers are overpaid and incompetent
that's why they have no frills replacing them with indians

>>507175215
>Miss Shanika

>>507175184 (OP)
Indians

>>507175184 (OP)
Both conquered by Japan's CFRP btw

>>507175202
I'll still blame Jeets for gleefully perpetuating the trend. Their culture fits too well with the worst of our corporate culture.

>>507175218
Boeing sharholders want money.
Uncompetant CEO cost them money.

No, the problem is that "investors" meaning the handful of people who control the investment groups only invest in ESG friendly companies.

>>507175219
The Soviet union had great planes and helis.

>>507175223
I think at this point Japan has a genuine chance to become the most advanced nation in the world in many areas. Germany is turning their back on that stuff, the US is in full dysfunctional schizoid mode, and China is still playing catchup.

>>507175184 (OP)
The eternal shareholders and BoD

Haven't the crashes been maintenance related rather than faulty software

>But Dreamliner deliveries were paused for more than a year until the summer of 2022, when the Federal Aviation Administration approved a Boeing plan to address quality concerns that included filling paper-thin gaps in the plane’s body and replacing certain titanium parts that were made with the wrong material. None of those problems had an immediate impact on the safety of Dreamliners, Boeing said at the time.

>Last year, the F.A.A. said it was also investigating claims by a Boeing engineer that parts of the fuselage, or body, of the Dreamliner were improperly fastened together, which the whistle-blower said could cause premature damage to the plane over years of use.

Airbus 321neo is my favourite small plane

>>507175208
Messerschmitt lost us the war, overrated company and designer.

>>507175184 (OP)
Airbus is the White man's plane.

>bro software errors are just acts of God bro pls understand nothing is certain bro
Remind me again why we couldn't be coding all of our critical systems on US aircrafts in Ada or other high integrity languages by law?
Was it just not that important that the planes stay in the sky to warrant a fundamental regulation?

>>507175191
These planes have so many redundancies built in that it takes a lot for one to crash. A chain of events needs to happen to make one crash

>>507175223
Woah, everything is made by Japan :0

Question for the pilots, mechanics, and flight simulator players of /int/: what causes this?

>>507175235
Indian expertise

>>507175235
Mustard gas

>>507175235
Other angle

>>507175231
Peng.

>>507175235
It look like the reactors didn't had the expected trust.

>>507175232
>US aircrafts in Ada or other high integrity languages by law?
we use ADA here for all military and aerospace control systems

>>507175235
Flaps not being out, lever being pulled up to a plane stall

>>507175235
Too much poo clogging the engine turbines

>>507175243
Yeah aerospace is or used to be Ada here too. I took a class from one of the creators of it. Good to see people still know about it.

>>507175197
>So basically Europe is objectively better than the USA
We're build on autism and hatred for anyone not from our particular village/area. We make sure that if someone from a different place makes a mistake, his entire bloodline knows it.
The USA is build on collaboration and the dream to get rich

If the Europeans do it right, it's autistically right out of spite.
The Americans just throw money at it and hope the mutts figure it out.

>>507175249
The Lockheed creed

>>507175235
The one survivor said he heard a loud bang and then they went down.

>>507175226
Imagine walking into the plane and it says TOYOTA... who wouldn't like that

>A 40-year-old British national was confirmed to have survived after escaping.[31][32][33][34] The survivor had been in seat 11A, next to an emergency exit
BLOODY BRITISHER BENCHOD

>>507175248
It's a reliable language. For example, we also use it for aerospace control. Our competitor, Thaales (a French company), uses it too.

It's like COBOL for banking.

>>507175253
Did he jump off the plane ?

>>507175253
Someone make a JEET edit of the bane place scene, "NO! They expect one of us the wreckage, brother!"

>>507175253
>[31][32][33][34]
I hate wikiredditors so much it's unreal

>>507175253
>British national
His name is Vishwash Kumar Ramesh

>>507175213
it's hilarious watching boeing crash and burn under zion don two terms

>>507175253
THE BRITISHER
>>507175255
bloody anglo bitch did!

>>507175258
British citizen, so he's as British as me and John.

>>507175259
I can't believe bad orange man gave the order for Being execs to shid and fard their whole company and murder all testifying witnesses

>>507175262
That one officer, something weird about him

>>507175263
True, he is 100% giving them a tax break as a reward though.

>>507175184 (OP)
The British Man marches on.

>>507175184 (OP)
> Fatalities from Boeing aircraft crashes since November 2024:
> Nov 25, 2024: Swiftair Flight 5960 (Boeing 737-400SF), Vilnius, Lithuania. 1 fatality.
> Dec 29, 2024: Jeju Air Flight 2216 (Boeing 737-800), Muan, South Korea. 179 fatalities.
> Jan 29, 2025: American Airlines Flight 5342 (Bombardier CRJ700, not Boeing), Potomac River, USA. 67 fatalities.
> Jun 12, 2025: Air India Flight 171 (Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner), Ahmedabad, India. 290 fatalities.

> Total Fatalities: 537
Boeing planes killed more people in the past 7 months than Hamas, the Houtis and Iran combined did in the past year. How the fuck are they still in business?

>>507175267
If it's BEOING, I ain't GOING.

>>507175267
no no you don't get it it's maintenance issues
pay no mind that maintenance issues only happen to boeing planes

>>507175184 (OP)
>>507175185
>planes crash
>blame dei
>le heggin bazed pres
>no more dei
>planes crash
>blame dei
You're all going to die and it's our fault (but you deserve it)

>>507175267
lol boeing survived the MCAS fiasco with some minor scratches, they could kill everyone on one of their planes with nerve gas and people wouldn't care

>>507175271
This, Boeing is a public traded company, stock owners care only about profit and they're too big to fail. A boycott would halt the entire world.

>>507175267
IT

WAS

AN

ACCIDENT

OKAY

>>507175271
>minor scratches
they lost billions out of it
sure, it is quite minor when they got away with lying to everyone's faces that their software had a tendency to crash their own jets, but still

Isn't it funny how just a week ago, Trump declared Boeing to HOLDNO LIABILITIES OR FINANCIAL PENALTIES EVER for any of their planes crashing?

It's YOUR fault. It's NEVER Boeing or the USA's fault.

Next week, every Boeing jet can fall out of the sky killing millions, and Boeing and the USA will NOT be at fault.

>>507175275
It says they have to pay a billy

>>507175276
QUI PRO DOMINA JUSTITIA SEQUITUR
capish?

>>507175235
guys I have a flight coming up soon and this scares me

>>507175278
YHWH protects his chosen people or something

>>507175238
Stalled. Couple reasons for how but that can be mechanical problem, pilot incompetence or both in some ratio.

>>507175280
They had a complete loss of thrust. The banking wasn't the most proper move but without any thrust the plane would go down regardless. There are speculations about bird strikes to both engines but no strikes were heard by witnesses. Probably another case of Boeing.

>>507175253
God protects the British

>>507175184 (OP)
DEI HIRES O ALGO

Let's be honest, if there was a way to (automatically) drop 95% of your fuel before such catastrophic landing, you could save maybe 50% of those lives

>>507175235
>>507175245
>flaps not out
real aerospace engineer here, it has some shitty resolution but thats the first thing I noticed. Modern planes are programmed to not attempt to take off without flaps, saar pilot either forgot to do his only job or a lot of shit went wrong (flaps not working, warnigs not being shown to the pilot...)

>>507175284
Sure, but there absolutely is no way.

>>507175284
there is no way to drop literal tons of fuel that fast, there are different fuel tanks inside the wings, you can drop fuel to reduce weight but its impossible to do it fast enough to prevent an explosion

Just how bad is the 737-800 kill count by now compared to the NG?
I often fly in the 737 NG and never feel anxious but I have unironically avoided a flight because it was serviced by a 737 Max

>>507175288
>737-800
I meant 737 MAX

drop the fuel tank instead of the fuel obviously

>>507175286
>>507175287

>>507175285
Flaps are out, they're just not clearly visible in the video

>>507175290
>drop the fuel tank instead of the fuel obviously
Ah just like my old Chevy Caprice when I hit a bump too hard one time.

>>507175232
C++ is fine as long as you manually reread the code and make sure every line does what it's supposed to do.
Supposedly a chief engineer at Lockheed Martin, when writing the code for the Tomahawk missiles, was worried about memory leaks in the software, so he just decided to double the amount of memory on board, I guess it's cheaper than optimizing.

>>507175293
>C++ is fine as long as you manually reread the code and make sure every line does what it's supposed to do

>>507175190
>senior leadership (regardless of ethnicity) is incompetent
They are not incompetent. They are maliciously dropping the QC to increase quarterly profits. At most, they get fired and a fat bonus, just like the previous CEO did after the MAX fiasco.

Will they allow US and Bong aviation investigators in? They didn't allow French reps from Rafale and they lost like 3-5 of them.

>>507175296
https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/us-investigators-head-to-india-to-assist-with-787-8-inquiry/163337.article

>>507175293
In my almost 20 years of C/C++ I've found that if you're not making extensive use of template metaprogramming in C++ for all but the most trivial or strange projects, you're almost certainly doing it wrong. God I love C++

>>507175294
>doesn't read over his code
You should be doing that anyway. Who doesn't read over what they wrote at least once before submitting? With code and writing? Do you just plap out code and copy+paste from ChatGPT without checking it, and hope the compiler/unit tests get it? How are you even testing your code without reading it?

>>507175293
oh shit sorry I misread your post

If it was for the Tomahawk it was probably in the wild days of C++ when the standard was shit and had tons of implementation and architecture specific shit that made memory leaks and such a fact of life, even if you were meticulous.
I remember Borland Turbo. What a frustrating shitshow that was.

>>507175232
We use Ada and SPARK pretty regularly here since things are usually done to DO-178C

lmao

>>507175184 (OP)
>Why does a country that shits in its holiest river not know how to properly maintain planes
Ask yourself that question out loud and then tell me you didn't laugh.

>>507175293
>low IQ faggots still struggle with sepples in 2025
git gud scrub

>>507175184 (OP)
Does Airbus make planes that are Indian-proof?

Is such a feat even possible?

>>507175188
>muh le heckin german aryan genius
There is no reason, apart from Nazi propaganda and post-war stereotypes, to assume that German engineers are better than French ones because of their ethnicity. Especially that the French are good at planes and trains

>>507175184 (OP)
i'd rather fly on a dreamliner than any of your boring airbuses for walkable euroskies, europe is a civilizational dead end.

>>507175304
Airbus hasn't had a fatal accident in almost a couple of decades now.

>>507175306
Do you love ASML? Do you love Spotify? Do you love Klarna?

>>507175185
I, actually

>>507175308
>ASML
anglos probably came up with most of the tech
>Spotify
crashes all the time
>Klarna
never heard of it

>>507175311
>anglos probably came up with most of the tech
False. The Dutch invented EUV.

>>507175308
Youtube has a better selection than Spotify.
Rutracker has a better selection than Spotify, when a work is pirated it still serves as promotion so magbe the pirate will buy it one day.

>>507175313
Spotify has better recommendations and is a better run company. YouTube will never win because it's part of Google so they are not focused enough.

>>507175215
>indoctrination-level
i miss when people would at least put effort into their larps

It's part of WEF's degrowth, to make air travel unreasonable for normal people so only the elites can enjoy it.

>>507175312
Americans invented the transistor :3

>>507175316
People blaming Boeing like a country that openly has people defecate and droping dead bodies in their holiest and only source of drinking water didn't have deferred maintenance problems is hilarious. Especially with the whole Rafaele incident not even a few weeks ago.

>>507175307
Y-yeah haha...Pierre Bonin was a fucking retard anyway.

>>507175235
are planes supposed to kick up dust like that?
did they run past the runway?

>>507175284
>planes now piss themselves in fear
Would be fun

>corporation decides to aggressively cost cut to improve shareholder profits
>end up hiring cheap workers that do a worse job
>chuds blame the cheap workers and not the management that prioritized cheap workers over quality workers
Why is it always like this?

>>507175323
They are all being blamed.

>>507175323
Huh? Chuds blame DEI hires and libtards kinda blame Trump

we stopped dreaming

Buy Embraer.

>>507175324
>>507175325
Yes but the corporate rot is what should be taking the spotlight. EVERYTHING is getting shittier because the corporate model we are all operating under demands increased profits every quarter at any cost. Boeing is just so transparent about it (even assassinating whistleblowers without any real pushback) and yet we all get caught up in blaming the little people.

all the bazed engineers/higherups got replaced with business nogs who know jack about building planes
shrimple as

>>507175235
>>507175238
>everything looks fine
>somehow explodes
how is boeing still in business what the fauci

>>507175328
It doesn't really demand that. It encourages profit growth, but there has been many an earnings call where profits are temporarily down and everything proceeds without issue.

>>507175323
>Why is it always like this?
They just don't want to acknowledge that their country's flagship aircraft manufacturer has gone completely to shit so they fill that hole with racism.

>>507175319
Boeing represents americas decadence and ultimate downfall, quite literally. There's almost a poetic ring to it.

>>507175184 (OP)
American companies like to mass import H1B visa workers to lower the cost of labor.

>>507175186
Isn't regulated Where did you get that from, they are extremely regulated. All companies are.

>>507175305
The french ones are named Tyrone and Muhammed.

>>507175184 (OP)
boeing employs diversity hires
i'm supposed to criticize it but if i do i lose my job
so i have to gently steer things until it's too late and everything goes to shit just so i dont offend faggots in HR

>>507175184 (OP)
>magic soil

>Hires Indian code monkies.
>Hires Indian and Chinese Engineers
>Hire almost exclusively DEI hires for the grunt work
>the airlines who bought the planes also only hire DEI for grunt work like maintenance

As it turns out
The Jeet coders are shit at their job. Everything is a bloated mess that is an asshair away from crashing.
The chink and Jeet engis are more than willing to cut corners to appease Mr.Shekelberg.
Tyrone, Shaniqua, and Paco have no fucking idea what they are doing, they don't see a reason to fasten all the bolts that hold the panels on. They more importantly are willing to rush any job to get that plane back in the air.

>>507175298
Fucking retard
Bet you couldn't get more than 12 frames per second as a game programmer

>>507175218
CEO is competent, you generally don't become the CEO of a major established company if you're an idiot.

The problem is that he's competent at making the line go up, often in ways that destroy internal systems and standards while mining the reputation of the company. Hiring niggers was the symptom, not the root cause- they were hired specifically because they didn't know enough to push back and would pass shoddy work wheras the west coast QCs had standards.

>>507175208
I'm pretty sure every ww2 era german aircraft manufacturer is now airbus

>>507175206
I read somewhere that they saved their shoddiest work for the thirdies

That said, the plane was 9 years old and unless there was some long latent issue it's probably on maintenance.

>>507175184 (OP)
europoors cant afford planes

>>507175226
japan is losing more institutional knowledge to old-age dementia in a week than they're gaining in two

>>507175258
hey now there were two actual brits on the plane.

they were faggots married to each other. no, really.

>>507175293
>I guess it's cheaper than optimizing.
you can optimize for whatever you want, memory, cpu cycles, etc. but ram isn't terribly expensive, and processors go pretty fast these days.

c++ written to a life-or-death standard is great if you're optimizing for billable hours.

>>507175249
>We're build on autism and hatred for anyone not from our particular village/area. We make sure that if someone from a different place makes a mistake, his entire bloodline knows it.
LMAO I thought it’s a Levantine thing

>>507175305
>tf
>tp
Lmao, Poland still crying about 'ebil Nazis'? Obsessed much? Move on, pierogi-chugger, or keep seething while Germany runs laps around you. Heh.

>>507175235
Loss of engines.
Bird strikes is my guess.

>>507175215
sheeeitt

>>507175232
I use MISRA C because that's what the microcontroller compilers use

>>507175305
behold french engineering

>>507175184 (OP)
DEI=DIE and it's because they hire based on identity rather than merit. Think about it, do you want a German engineer who has done nothing his whole life but autistically study propulsion engineering to be the one building your plane or Shaniqua the gender neutral black latinx ape who got her degree from a diploma mill in Atlanta?

>>507175184 (OP)
*McDonnell Douglas

>>507175211
I love that ben garrison understand the immense retardation of his audience and adds text to all cartoons so the mongoloids can follow along.

>>507178004
Uh oh

>>507175267
I was a manufacturing engineer at their Seattle site for a year. It’s the worst company I’ve ever had the displeasure of being with.

Can't confirm if Lockheed but its an old programming laugh:

>>507187425
seen any junkies?

>>507175184 (OP)
>European
French planes*

Stolen valor nonsense. It’s like saying "human ingenuity" when Europeans did everything.

>>507175188
>They must be from Alsace, considering Airbus' safety record.
French engineering has always been way better than German engineering

Germans just lie and constantly yell their stuff are the best while selling low reliability cars and making shitty weapons

>>507175305
>There is no reason, apart from Nazi propaganda and post-war stereotypes
This
Germans just lie and pump out propaganda at the same time as they pump out poorly designed stuff, always been that way.

>>507175184 (OP)
boeing became pooing a while back.

>>507175270
Trump is DIE coded so enjoy the failures.