Thread 507194498

Any ideas pol?

Poo in the flight instruments

>>507194498 (OP)
It was operated by pajeets

>>507194498 (OP)
Poo stuck in the flaps.

The airplane hit the ground

>>507194722
>>507194876
Saw two comments by actual pilots who said the flaps were in the wrong position. The levers for the flaps are right beside the levers for engine thrust, so maybe it was pilot error. If the flaps are in the wrong position, that would lead to what we saw in the video, the plane descending while the nose is up. It would feel to the pilots like a loss of power. And they wouldn't be able to retract the landing gear after takeoff - which was also visible in the video.
The position of the flaps is in the check list for takeoff. But it said in the reports yesterday that the captain was "very experienced", so maybe he just skipped the check list.

Anyway, if they ever find out what caused this, my money is on pilot error.

>>507194498 (OP)
Pajeet maintenance crews

>>507194498 (OP)
We need to stop pretending that these inbred poop eating fuckwads are on the same par as Whites and Asians and Nobel niggers.
We need to stop being colorist and saying just because they're brown instead of black that they belong on a higher social caste then blacks. Indians are worse then blacks how many blacks do you know that play with their own shit and smear it all over their bodies? Blacks will smoke crack cocaine and abandon their kids, but they don't fucking eat shit on a monthly basis. Let's be honest.

Inbred
Vegitarian = low brain development
Shit Eaters
Liars

Of course their goverment allows them to cheat on tests. If everyone had to take tests honestly nobody would pass. It's the choice between letting the village idiot try their best or have the positions be vacant

>>507194498 (OP)
What a huge fucking mystery to be solved!

>>507195068
>the captain was "very experienced", so maybe he just skipped the check list.
defeating the entire point of the checklist.. kek

>>507195312
>Nobel nigger
kek

>>507195312
They falsify logbooks, pay off examiners, you name it. In the 90s 15k usd could by you a complete atpl (indian) without a minute of flight time or a lick of flight school. It's a testament to the integrated automatic systems on modern aircraft, that pajeets are pranging airliners 10 times a day. If the world is ever forced back to stuck and rudder skills, brown aircrew are fucked.

1. Pilot murder suicide
2. Pakistan sabotage. Small explosive in avionics bay. Triggered by the tilt of take-off

>>507195577
Aren't, rather

>>507194498 (OP)
Apparently the RAT was deployed so that's a pretty big clue. Allegedly it deploys automatically if both engines go out

>>507195522
I think there's a psychological study that said that people who only ever drive the same way to work are more likely to get into accidents, because after a while they think they know the way and stop paying attention.
The same effect could have happened with a pilot who knows the checklist and maybe thinks he doesn't need it.
Anyway, I'm interested in what they will find out eventually what caused this crash.

>>507195716
based rat. noble sacrifice.

>>507194498 (OP)
Is it possible that it was shot down by Russia? They te d to do this type of shit like they did with Malaysia airlines

>>507194498 (OP)
I killed them

>JEET pilots
>JEET programming
>BLACK maintenance

They were HELLBOUND

Pray for me, anons. I need to go through India to fly to Europe. Should I get a more expensive flight from non-subhuman countries instead?

>>507195737
My former boss is a pilot and he flew me around in his private plane a few times. One time his son was flying with him and so he made sure to follow the check list exactly just to demonstrate to his son good safety measures. He was a real school teacher about it making observations pointing them out to his son. Well I was with him and as he was saying all the things I was listening intently and he said tires check and I looked at the tires and they needed to be aired up a small amount so we aired them up. Safety first. Having a personality type where you just do things by the book even if it seems silly is very important for pilots.

>>507195847
Not him but RAT is the "RAM air turbine", a small propeller that pops out of the belly of the airplane and drives a generator. Usually electric power is generated by the engines, but if no engine is delivering electric power, then this thing pops out just so that the plane has power for all the electronics in the cockpit. It has a distinctive sound that sounds like a small propeller airplane, and that sound can be heard on one of the crash videos.

>>507196102
Black Pilot.
Jeet Programming
White maintenance

>>507195546

Blacks
>fried chicken , protien is good for the brain
>watermellon , natural sugars

Indians
>poop ; bad for the brain
> Pee ; bad for the brain

Blacks: Athletic
Indians: flabby

Blacks: don't lie on tests own their failures like a boss
Indians: lie on every test live a life of shame

Blacks: Excellent hand eye cordination.
Indians: Bobble heads disrupting vision.

Blacks: Have something to prove.
Indians: Think they know it all because one of them is the CEO of google.

I'd trust a nobel nigger over a lying rotten indian. every fucking time. Now after we get off the plane I'm hiding my wallet though

>>507194498 (OP)
Poos

>TOILET
>POO UP
>*BRAP BRAP*

>>507194498 (OP)
Retarded Indians. Maybe the Indian pilots. Maybe the Indian mechanics. Maybe the Indian corpo suits. 100% it was retarded Indians.

>>507196520
And they say pol is intolerant... here I am agreeing with a burger in our shared hatred of jeets.

>>507194498 (OP)
All the Toilets clogged, overflowed, and set off the cabin poo gas sensor. Pilot shutdown jet engines to avoid explosion, and released the emergency turbofan to clear the air.

Plane stalled. Didn't have enough speed for a takeoff.

Idk how the poos did it but they're so unpopular I haven't seen a single person upset by this particular crash.

ive read about beoing engines.. their engines are a bit weird. you cant have the air conditioning on while taking off in hot climates. it draws so much power from the engines cant take off from some airports. you have to switch off the air conditioning on take off. what happens if you do not? plane will fail to get height, panic and crash. India, a hot place, very hot. so, maybe all the pilot had to do to crash is.. not turn off ac. fkn what?? I found that out by reading how those engines work and ac. fuck en hell mate

>>507194498 (OP)
Lots of Indian tbings. I am more concerned about the Visajeet pretending to have survided. They are sneaking him in.

>>507197160
>ive read about beoing engines
Boeing don't make engines. Nor does a plane need air conditioning except on thr ground in hot countries because it is cold in the air.

Accident blatantly caused by Indians.

>>507197160
>ive read about beoing engines
>beoing engines
Did Qantas tell you that?

>>507197160
you lose %50 power if left on at take off. damn. Throw in the risk of engine failure, on a twin that means you lose 50% of your available power, so giving some of that power just to provide air conditioning when you want to be climbing is a bad idea. not only that, it was hot. bet they had them on for so long, that the batteries were dead, had to use engine power and. 50% less power.. and on top of that, engines a way less efficient in hot air. so it was probs 60% under powered if ac was on. they had a gov vip onboard, that probs wanted ac. so yeah. my take

>>507196206
That is very slimsy secondary evidence of power loss. The entire world can see no flaps set like they should have been. He had plenty of power to use up the full runway and get off the ground. With no flaps it didnt matter how much power they used they were going down. Any fucknut claiming to be a pilot and not calling out the flaps is full of shit.

>>507194498 (OP)
as much i 'ate jeets, feels like boeing shills are running amok

>>507197666
dude, it has to wait on the tarmac for awhile, and if delayed by more, they switch them on for passengers. yes it was very hot that day. bet they empties their battery packs waiting, and had to just go off engine compression

>>507197814
>it was the air conditioner
No it was flaps.

>>507194498 (OP)
clogged toilets

>>507197160
this is true...been on a plane in phoenix arizona waiting on the tarmac in the summer...fucking hellish

>>507194498 (OP)
DEI-hire Boeing maintenance inspectors.

>>507197814
My last car (which I loved very much) used to kind of lurch ahead whenever I turned off the A/C while driving.

Thread full of indians speculating about any excuse to explain away obvious flight crew negligence.

>>507194498 (OP)
Its hilarious and I hope all Indians get raped in the ass

>>507197160
>you cant have the air conditioning on while taking off in hot climates. it draws so much power from the engines cant take off from some airports.

Where did you read this? Most turbofan and turboprops use bleed air for pressurization and air conditioning. They take away some power from the engines, so bleed air needs to be turned off for max performance take off and go arounds.

The 787 is the notable exception. It's the only commercial airliner currently in service that doesn't use bleed air for cabin pressurization and air conditioning.

>>507195190

I was on Reddit earlier trying to explain that maybe the fault was not with Boeing, the aircraft manufacturer, but the fault was with the Air India company for not spending money to.maintain and repair the aircraft. Also, saw some articles that said that pollution, especially dust particulates, can cause wear and tear on aircrafts jet engines over many years and flights. So the blame can also go to the Indian government from not doing enough to combat pollution. There was even a Reddit thread where a former Air Indian staff employee said that there had always been problems with that particular Boeing aircraft that crashed. The employees told the Air India company about the problems but they were silenced.

>>507195068
Even if the flaps were set wrong, the 787 is so automated and retard proof they would have had warnings and sounds indicating a misconfiguration and shit going off that they couldn't miss or ignore.
I'm not saying it wasnt an enourmous poo enduced fuck up in some other fashion but this doesn't seem like it's possible.

>>507198176
Gee, or maybe it was not using the flaps. That will cause most anything to crash on takeoff. Weird he had plenty of power to use up the entire runway.

>>507194498 (OP)
Its a boeing..

>>507196179

Depends. Pollution, which India has plenty of, can wreak havoc on an aircraft after many years and flights. Has the airplane you are going to fly on stopped in India? Because if it did, the crew might want to do a check up on the aircraft.

>>507195068
Nah they got off the ground and were climbing. You either can or cannot fly with no flaps.

>>507195716
Most likely single engine failure and the incorrect engine was shut off. That is far more likely than dual engine failure and it has happened before.

>>507197887
RAT deployment is automatic when the aircraft is in air mode and both engines are shut down. It is excellent evidence. Flaps were enough to get off the ground so they would have been enough to continue flying/climbing. Power was the issue as is clearly visible in the video. Literally everything you said was wrong lol I hope you aren't like this irl.

>>507198234
Let's hope that the blackbox will get turned over to the authorities when it's found and not sold for like 200 rupees to some scrap metal dealer.

>>507194498 (OP)
The ishares aerospace&defense etf plummeted because it is heavily weighted in Boeing and GE hours later a new military conflict happens its a coincidence and I'm a schizo

>>507194498 (OP)
Pajeet pilots.

Same as Rafail and mig29.

>>507194498 (OP)
they all left their phones off airplane mode and texted each other good morning happy take off ser and the electrical infetterence broke the navigation systems

>>507198371
>Most likely single engine failure and the incorrect engine was shut off. That is far more likely than dual engine failure and it has happened before.
I'm locking this one in, Eddy.

>>507198234
>Even if
They were at 0 flaps. No if about it. That aircraft did not have flaps set properly for takeoff. Alarms can be disabled. Never underestimate the incompetence of flight crews. A woman set an aircraft prop to flutter at low altitude recently and caused a major crash. They do stupid shit all the time.

>>507194498 (OP)
It was Boeing.

>>507198502
>jeet damage control
No it was flaps. Engines worked great getting it off the ground.

>>507198565
Nah, the mayday call was about no power and he's right about that exact thing happening before.

>>507198176
It still uses power off-take from the compressors to drive the electrical generators. I've not heard anything about needing to switch off for take-off since the generators don't actually use much (only a couple hundred kW) compared to the power you get from the engines. Also while on ground the aircon is powered by the APU.

>>507198371
>confused jeet damage control
It was no flaps jeet. The flaps were not in the takeoff position. Deal with it.

>>507198666
The mayday call from a crew that just left the runway with no flaps? Oh you jeets are desperate. They took off without flaps, their situational awareness was completely fucked before then.

>>507194498 (OP)
99% chance of pilot error. 1% chance of some sort of issue with the plane.

>>507198565
>>507198709
1. Flaps would not cause a sudden loss of lift. You either have enough lift to fly or not enough.
2. Config warning at takeoff power cannot be missed. Think loud horn and flashing red lights.
3. The crew reported engine failure.

>>507198667
>saars i am electrical engineer in air conditoning
No jeet, they crashed from trying to takeoff without flaps.

>>507197666
>Boeing don't make engines.

Engines are either made in America (niggerized, jeeted, spicced, jewed) or in Britain (niggerized, jeeted, arabized, jewed).

>>507198809
Just like both MAX crashes it was probably an aircraft failure that would have been easily recoverable by a competent flight crew. The 787 can take off safely on one engine.

>>507198911
It wasnt a sudden loss of lift. Watch the video, it struggled off the ground and was at speed. No flaps the entire runway, very not normal. They didnt use flaps and that is exactly how any aircraft and low speed and no flaps behaves. It has no lift. You can say what you will, no flaps on takeoff is a death sentence. Try it in a flight sim and you will belly flop just past runway too. Give it all the power you like it wont matter.

>>507199079
A big heavy plane like that needs flaps to take off which were not deployed. It is not a rocket that can just point at the sky and shoot up.

>>507199079
Engaging the flaps prior to takeoff would have saved them. Mystery solved.

Maybe Boeing just doesn't make good planes anymore? Would be tragically embarrassing if the jeet maintenance crew added the wrong fuel mixture to the plane.

>>507198325
>>507198511
>>507198565
>>507198938
desu a flapless takeoff is hardly the worst thing as long as you can rotate and get airborne.

The real purpose of flaps for take off is reduced rotation speed so runway length requirements don't become excessive.

Once airborne, the gear gets retracted as soon as positive rate of climb is achieved. After that basically any modern twinjet airliner will accelerate to the flap retract speed very quickly. Then you retract the flaps and continue climbing in the clean configuration because the plane climbs the best when you minimize drag.

0 flaps would not make them crash if they were able to get airborne in the first place. That's why I'm leaning towards a double engine malfunction.

>>507198667
>Also while on ground the aircon is powered by the APU.

Using the bleed air from the APU. Unless you're in a 787, in which case the aircon runs off electrical power.

>>507198911
>Landing gear was down. ( Drag )
>Flaps in wrong position. ( not enough lift )
But please tell me more captain .

>>507194498 (OP)
front fell off

>>507195312
True. Consider the greatest heights of the American negro under the firm hand of the white man (think Harlem in the 1940s). They far exceed any state of the Indian

>pilots panic and don't know what to do
>just scream SAAAAAAAR as plane is crashing
I mean that's all there was to it really

>>507194498 (OP)
all the indians hanging from the plane to travel for free fucked up with the plane's aerodynamics

>>507195068
>I know this machine like the back of my hand.
My father used to work in a factory where pasta was made. There are a lot of spinning blades in factories like that. You could always tell who the "experienced" operators were. They were the ones who would (and could) only raise 3 fingers when ordering 5 beers.

>>507199282
>as long as you can rotate and get airborne
Not true. Even in a little cessna its not a good idea to he going under certain speed without flaps. Here you are saying its no big deal in an airliner. Focus on the air conditioning more, its a more obvious cause than no flaps. I dont think this thread is looking for answers, its looking for excuses.

What happened to the black box?

Never trust a plane named Boeing.
Really, Boe ing Sounds like Boing! It fell out of the sky!

>>507194498 (OP)
It was a terrorist attack done by CIA glowniggers as a revenge for India destroying their bases and F-16s in Pakistan.

>>507199568
Probably still digging it out of the rubble.

>>507195577
Nigger these pilots had long careers in airforce before joining air India as pilots.

>>507194498 (OP)
hydraulic failure, stinking the nose up

>>507194498 (OP)
Someone said this before instead of put up landing gear put away flaps. Gear down no flaps, speed was still marginal for the fat plane and altitude, no climb. Then panic and nose up stall.

I love how every time there is a plane crash, there is like 10x more comment activity than an average thread and somehow everyone is an expert...it's even more pronounced on leddit. There must be a fucking huge overlap of trannies and flight Sim players or something.

>>507194498 (OP)
It was reported that other pilots have been complaining about power issues with that particular plane for years. If that's true, it was a maintenance problem.

>>507199105
>>507199178
>>507199180
I'm starting to cross over to Team No Flaps. I just find it very hard to believe someone would miss the takeoff config aural warning horn, lights, and EICAS messages.

i assume it was israel, trying to minimise their planned attack of iran 3 hours later by creating other big world news.

>>507199521
Just about every general aviation plane will take off just fine with zero flaps. The best rate of climb speed for fixed wing planes usually coincides with the best lift to drag speed, which is around 1.3x the stall speed in clean configuration. There is no risk to stalling if you take off without flaps.

In the case of airliners, they typically will climb at even faster airspeeds than the best lift to drag speed. Because they have much more excess thrust compared to general aviation planes, if you target the best lift to drag speed it becomes way too nose high and it gets really uncomfortable for the passengers and hard for flight attendants.

>herr derr muh flaps
Stupid cunts. The fucking plane GOT OFF THE FUCKING GROUND so obviously it's not a flaps issue. Also, the RAT tells us they lost electrical power. Confirmed by the mayday.

The question is, WHAT catastrophic event caused universal power failure? I'm betting on sabotage. Bomb in the avionics bay. This is confirmed by the panel / door that flew off and is visible on the video

>>507194498 (OP)
It looked like it did not have enough thrust to generate the required lift but instead of changeing orientation of the nose

Ie a lower angle and a much more gradual angel of ascent

it remaind at the normal angel forceing it to litterly drop out of the sky


but im actually stupid so take it with a grain of salt

thats what it looked like though

>>507199283
I'm not sure why so many people think an aircraft can't fly at all with gear down or flaps up.

>>507199999
you shure do got some purdy digits there boy

>>507199999
>Bomb in the avionics bay
>>507199937
>it was israel
this is the truth

>>507194498 (OP)
Pilot error.

>>507197059
No, no flaps. It had plenty of speed. Here is what a dreamliner with flaps properly deployed for takeoff looks like. Notice its climbing easily while still over runway. Makes all the difference in the world and anyone saying otherwise is a liar. Find an example of dreamliners taking off or landing with no flaps. This crash is the only example i have seen.

>>507199999
>visible on the video
Source? Also checked.

>>507200200
Pic. All the jeet excuse makers in here handwave no flaps but its a requirement on takeoff. It wont fly without them. Deny it all you like but its standard procedure that flight crew did not follow.

>>507199999
Checked
>WHAT catastrophic event caused universal power failure?
The odds of both engines going out is so low, it's more likely the crew did the old switch off the wrong engine trick.

>>507194498 (OP)
shit clogging the engines

>>507198234
>I'm not saying it wasnt an enourmous poo enduced fuck up in some other fashion
Come on mate. You've seen what these cunts are like down here. Literally zero thought or sense, they probably fucking ignored it.

>>507199999
Checked. The aircraft basically did a long hop, a little cessna with no flaps will get airborne briefly, lose lift and kind of bounce along the runway. This aircraft just did a really big first bounce.

>>507195351
dumb jeet retracted the flaps instead of the landing gear?

probably daydreaming about white bobs and vagine?

>>507200027
It’s not a bumble bee.

wait indians don't use flaps?

>>507200300
Checked but that pic looks the same as the video. The 787 flaps are relatively subtle and the plane has like 200,000lbs of thrust that don't appeared to be used at all.

>>507200334
>flight crew that failed to deploy flaps during takeoff is now extremely confused
They fucked up about two minutes before they realized it. By the time they realized they had an issue it was over. I wouldnt bet a squirt of piss on their accurate assessment of the situation.

>>507196844
Did she died?

>>507200561
Are you blind? The video aircraft never once looks like that. Flaps retracted the entire run and it never got its nose up to that angle.

>>507200551
They have them, they just never redeem them, as is customary.

>>507200458
Bumble bee is powered lift. Completely different rating.

>>507200027
If it's full of indians and fuel it might struggle if not configured properly. They did end up using every inch of runway they had.

>>507200561
An aircraft with no lift can have 6 million pounds of thrust pushing it and it would look the same. You are mistaking no lift with no power.

>>507200656
Well then point it out to me nigger. Also I think you are way underestimating the power that should have been available.

>>507200734
But they did get off the ground.

>>507200762
Thrust into speed into lift. They had enough thrust to build enough speed to generate enough lift to take off. Where did the speed go?

>>507200679
Ground effect got the plane extra lift without the flaps. The pilots ignored TOCWS. 100% pilot error. Bet they were distracted.

>>507200970
>But they did get off the ground.
Yeah briefly. You think because a plane briefly lifts off the ground it's impossible for it to crash or something?

>>507199568
>What happened to the black box?
It's for sale by a street vendor in downtown Pune. 5000 rupees but he told me secretly he'd neg down to 4000. Don't tell him I told you that.

>>507200372
Sure, but i've seen 787 pilots basically say its inconceivable they could do it.
They have to go through two check lists integrated in the planes systems before take off to ensure its correctly configured, they would have had to manually over ride them and then once they've done that literally ignore blaring horns telling them they've fucked up, it would have to be 100% malicious it couldnt just be stupidity or carelessness.
Some have said the co-pilot might have retracted flaps instead of raising the gear and i think thats probably more likely.

787 cannot take off without flaps set. Its electronic checklist.

>>507195312
The majority of Indians aren’t vegetarian

>>507200021
lift is generated by airspeed not thrust

>>507197765
Spirit of Australia, buddy.

I just watched another video by a plane pilot. He said what we see in the video is
+ the plane takes off just fine
+ no smoke, debris or fire coming out of the engines
+ but then the landing gear wasn't retracted when it should have been and became a drag on the plane
+ the nose went up but the plane descended
+ there was a loss of lift
So he said the flaps would have to have been in the correct positions for take-off or alarms would have gone off in the cockpit. The plane taking off suggests that they were indeed in the correct position. The guy in the video suspects that the captain then told his 1st officer to retract the landing gear, and that the 1st officer instead pulled the lever for the flaps. This would explain all that can be observed in the video, and it would have been a mistake that couldn't have been corrected in the few seconds they had until impact.

>>507201000
Is it correct to say the plane stalled, or just that it had loss of lift?

>>507201736
>mistake that couldn't have been corrected in the few seconds they had until impact.
Yes it could have, by simply recognising the situation by seeing the converging bars on the speed tape and reselecting the flaps.

>>507201855
they are the same thing

>>507201330

True, but India still has the world's largest number of Vegetarians and even Vegans.

>>507201736
Don't worry I just called the families of the people who crashed. The pilot is coming back in his next life as a Cow! I guess studying doesn't matter that much after all.

>>507201918
So by pitching up they were rolling the dice, because stall speed increases with angle of attack?

>>507195068
>Saw two comments by actual pilots who said the flaps were in the wrong position.
No you didn't.
>If the flaps are in the wrong position, that would lead to what we saw in the video
No it wouldn't.

You don't know what you're talking about. But you still baited a few gullible retards.

>>507194498 (OP)
My money's on the fact that they let browns near the thing.

>>507200582
They literally spent like ~30 seconds in the air in total. You sure shitpost a lot ITT, must be a Boeing shill.

>>507194498 (OP)
>What could have caused Air India plane to crash in 30 seconds?
jews

>>507194498 (OP)
BOEING! Fuck jeets but ALL THE ANTI INDIAN POSTING HERE IS DONE BY BOEING!!!

>>507202074

In India Pilots aren't qualified to take off.
In America even the lowest caste people are over qualified to take off and do barrel rolls and shit

https://youtu.be/gutKuNSppIo

>>507202236
israel is such a drag.

>>507202074
The first reaction of a well trailed pilot to an early flap retraction, associated sinking sensation and impending stall should be to pitch down to gain airspeed, not up. Of course that is easier said than done at 300ft agl in a widebody.

>>507195068
My money is on everything was okay, board system detected landing and changed flaps position, no override was possible so the plane crashed, but Boeing being run by the worst people on the planet will levereage its power kill two ppo and then, yes, it will be ruled """"pilot error"""""

>>507194498 (OP)
The leading theory notes the landing gear was down and the flaps appeared retracted (aligned with the wing) in the footage, which is abnormal for takeoff. Flaps are critical for generating lift at low speeds during takeoff. If retracted prematurely or not extended properly, the aircraft would struggle to climb, especially in hot conditions (near 40°C in Ahmedabad), where air density is lower, requiring higher flap settings and thrust.

The nose-pitched-up attitude in the footage indicates the pilots may have been trying to compensate for poor lift by increasing pitch, which can exacerbate a stall if airspeed is too low.

The plane used the entire runway but only reached 625 feet at a speed of 320 km/h before the signal dropped. This is all consistent with a takeoff configuration error.

In a nutshell, this guy is right >>507198709
, it was far more likely to be a Jeet-error than double engine failure (extremely rare)

>>507195312
>Nobel niggers
hahahahahhahahaha
I love this sort of mutt cope

>>507202513
to clarify there are two further sub-theories that branch off from this, either flaps weren't properly extended for takeoff (in the first instance), or they were retracted prematurely by accident, instead of retracting the landing gear.

Why are flapniggers so certain the flaps weren't extended? Why is the leading edge so dark is the flaps are retracted?

>>507202513
>reached 625 feet
Local QNH 1001
12hPa = 324 feet overstated altitude.
Airport elevation = 189 feet
Should show 513feet on ground so 500 or 525 from the ADS-B.

We are looking at more like 150-200ft above the ground when the transponder gave out

>>507202771
Pretty much the entire back edge of the wing would be pointing down if the flaps were deployed.

>>507202953
Flaps 5 on a 787 is very subtle.

>>507202513
Explain why the RAT was active

>>507203087
It wasn't.

>>507203087
>Explain why the RAT was active
Proof?

>>507201736
It used the full length of runway… first warning something isn’t right.

>>507202771
ignoring the fact that your imagee appears to show flaps retracted, all of the secondary evidence also appears consistent with a incorrect flaps configuration at takeoff
>using the whole runway
>losing lift after ground effect subsides
>not lifting landing gear
>historical precedent (extremely similar sequence to Flight 255 in 1987)

>>507203087
I haven't seen any actual or even secondary evidence of RAT activation yet

>>507202953
The dark area being visible at all on the lading edge suggests to me that the flaps are extended The leading edge should be white with retracted flaps

>>507203204
>It used the full length of runway
No it didn’t, the CCTV angle is poor. It rotate at a normal distance.

>>507203252
Here is a picture of a Dreamliner landing with RAT deployed. It both shows that the RAT is not deployed on the Air India one (would be able to see the hatch open) and also shows what the flaps deployed should look like.

>>507203393
Can you please understand there is more than one flap setting on a transport aircraft, a full flap landing looks totally different to the flap setting for takeoff.

>>507203507
If you want to make a point provide a picture to demonstrate please.

>>507200021
>angel of ascent
new album name dropped

A/C and entertainment not working
https://youtu.be/9EDho1UDWzM?si=BSE3KGZtGT8WlddJ

>>507203583
I fly the A320, fuck off

>>507203643
OK random anon. Opinion discarded.

Another 787 pic which suggests the dark line on the leading edge in the video is in fact deployed flaps

>>507203643
ethnicity?

>>507203639
>entertainment not working
Yes, but the screens clearly had power, so what is the point?

You can hear and see the RAT
https://youtu.be/SbDJjgN7Xbo?si=R5hBTpfWC3EVlHTG

>>507203507
>>507203643
The pilots would have been using very high takeoff flaps for a 40 degrees heat takeoff on a fully loaded dreamliner (I would assume flaps 15+) but even with flaps 5 it would have been visible, and they're barely even visible in the footage, either way the footage is shit and we have to go off of aircraft behaviour which is consistent with incorrect flaps config

>>507194498 (OP)
FLAPS

>>507203773
man, india needs to upgrade their video cameras before they get any more planes.

>>507204047
There is no open hatch visible on that plane there. What it should look like I have posted already earlier.

Once the alarms went off, the two pilots started yelling "You bloody! Fuck you bastard bitch bloody!" at each other until the crash.

>>507195068
kill yourself reddit nigger

I am beginning to think they were overloaded. If they were, how will we ever know?

>>507204092
Yea nah m8, unless the Boeing computer failed couldn't happen

>>507194498 (OP)
John Barnett A former Boeing employee known for raising concerns about the firm's production standards has been found dead in the US.

>>507194498 (OP)
Until we address our problem with man-made global gravity, these things will continue to happen.

>>507194498 (OP)
Iran

>>507204112
anyone on here shilling for the RAT theory is obviously indian diaspora trying to dismiss the possibility of pilot error, while I wouldn't put another mechanical failure past boeing or the air india maintenance crew (lol) the videos just dont line up with a double engine failure

>>507204112
It's painted a darker color.
Again, you can see and hear the RAT

>>507194498 (OP)
If it was boeing then probably not even pilot error

>>507204546
Anyone on here shilling the pilot error theory is obviously a Boeing paid shill. Funny how everyone is sperging about flaps when none of you basement-dwellers have even been on an airplane, much less know the basic mechanics of how planes work.

>>507204643
You can see the black patch of the hatch for the landing gear under the wing but none for the hatch that would have the RAT pop out of it. It should be just behind the right wing.

>>507204312
FCOM says this
>“The slat autogap function is only available in primary mode when the slats are in the middle position and the airspeed is below 240 KIAS. At a high angle of attack, autogap fully extends the slats to increase the wing camber, thus increasing the lift and margin to stall”

So incorrect configuration at takeoff would not have been rectified by "the Boeing computer" until after the aircraft was airborn, and I wouldn't be surprised if that system automatically deployed the flaps while the plane was falling out of the sky, but it was already too late evidently becaue pilots kept pushing the pitch up higher to compensate

>>507204112
The video isn't clear enough to "not show" a RAT you can hear the thing clear as day.
There's something in this frame that may or may not be the rat

>>507204963
There is no sign of an open hatch on that fuselage.

>>507200561
callouts during start procedure are literally
V1 - Rotate - Positive climb - GEAR UP.

the fact that gear was down is a major red flag and shows that the jeets fucked up because there is absolutely no reason not to gear up, even if there were some sort of sudden engine problems after V1 callout (which is extremely unlikely, pilot error is statistically much more probable).

>>507195068
My personal theory is the Indians ate too much curry and overloaded the plane.

>>507205118
There's very little sign of an open rat hatch in the top picture either but it's open. The lighting and matching color blend the door in with the fuselage

>>507204963
I have placed spots beside the visible protrusions from the fuselage. The two little fins are visible. The RAT isn't.

WTF IS THIS

>>507194498 (OP)
>Any ideas pol?

Electrical system fault.
>>Pajeet maintenance fixes it by pooing on it .
>>Pajeet pilots have let the plane fly itself since day one.
>>Momentary electrical fault triggers the rat and clears the auto take off computer memory but keeps the screens on so the auto throttles go back to idle. The Pajeet pilots don't notice since they are barely paying attention.
>>By the time the pilots notice the plane has slowed to brick status it is too late and they drop out of the sky while the pilot tries to spool up the engines and crash,

Watch the original video. Explosion, then you see a door / panel falling through the air

>>507205442
I disagree. The left hand artifact extends about twice as far outside the silhouette as the right hand one and it's lighter suggesting it's a longer, thinner object like the rat.

>>507205611
There is no indications, at all, that the RAT is deployed.

>>507196520
Why do mexicans hate Indians so much? You hardly even interact with us. Also, why do you worship niggers so much? So many questions.

>>507205694
sure if you ignore the sound that sounds exactly like a deployed rat.

>>507205808
Demonstrate what that sounds like.

So ... one of the two flight recorders has been recovered according to our news. What will/can it show when analysed?

>>507205848
https://youtu.be/SbDJjgN7Xbo?si=j-L_zgY9gLvqGnKy&t=148

>>507205694
You're either a moron who can't hear a prop noise, or a shill

>>507205902
Some catastrophic failure with an engine or both engines. As it clearly looks like the plane lost power and both of them right after takeoff.

>>507205945
saar, please providings the video of the RAT noisings

>>507205932
That video is not demonstrating the sound of a RAT. Using the crash itself to prove what a RAT is supposed to sound like is circular logic.

>>507206047
keep watching, retard.

>>507205902
>What will/can it show when analysed?
that bloody bastard bitch bloody guy fuck engines sister

>>507206085
Either provide the exact timestamp in the video containing the information or opinion discarded.

>>507205988
Losing one engine would have enabled them to still fly and turn around. Losing both engines at the same time is like a trillion to one chance. And it doesn't explain why the landing gear was still out at 620 ft.

>>507206156
4:40 jfc

Another frame showing the door flying through the air

>>507205718
You poos hate your own identity/country so much you try and copy theirs with as much mirroring as possible... hell you'll even refer to yourselves as sand niggers if it'll get people to forget your a bunch of cow shit worshipping faggots

>>507195716
>Apparently the RAT was deployed so that's a pretty big clue
And how do you know the RAT was deployed?

>>507206295
Thank you. The propeller sound? It is true that there is a similar noise in the video, so this does support the RAT theory.

SINK RATE
Sink Rate Check

Jesus fucking christ. Would you imbeciles watch the fucking video? It's been posted by multiple anons

>>507206551
>science
yeah I don't believe in that made-up nonsense

>>507205494
>>507205822
Pajyeeted

>>507206446
i thought pol was a bot on 4chan

>>507206439
Because it makes a quite distinctive sound that can clearly be heard on one of the videos.

Since we have a part of the plane broken off and flying through the air, we MUST conclude that something catastrophic happened

plane cannot take off without deploying flaps. there are major warnings and sirens that will blast in the cockpit as soon as you give power to the engines. the planes almost does it for you.
the most plausible explanation they fucked up after taking off. the landing gear was not retracted. they probably engaged the flap lever instead of the landing gear lever.
that is the most plausible reason so far.

major fuckup.

>>507194498 (OP)
tried to take off from the designated shitting runway and got poo in the engine

>>507194498 (OP)
Poogineering

>>507194498 (OP)
bet that someone stole fuel and replaced it with water

>>507206685
You have not even stablished what the brown splodge in your picture even is.

>>507206936
You seriously are the biggest moron on 4chan

>>507197887
The RAT was deployed and the mayday call included the statement that they lost power.

>>507207065
I am open to theories so long as you actually do your job and put an argument together supported by evidence. I am trying a lot harder than you. Why should I expect less in return?

>>507206936
You can't make out anything. It could be an insect that is small and near to the camera instead of a big part that is far away.

>>507207156
You're an idiot. Watch the video

>>507194498 (OP)
Pilot spotted bobs and vagene and had to land fast

>>507201239
>i've seen 787 pilots basically say its inconceivable they could do it
For a white pilot. There are standards for white pilots that jeets don't have. Remember that jeets are notorious for faking their credentials, and for cheating/scamming to get credentials without actually earning them. Jeets believe it means they're "smart" if they can dupe others. They don't value true intelligence.

>It couldnt just be stupidity or carelessness
LMAO. You severely overestimate the intellect of the jeet, because you think they value intelligence in the same way we do in the West. See my previous comment. Jeets think it's intelligent to scam others. The jeet pilot is "smart" for faking or otherwise cheating his pilot credentials so he can be a pilot. To a white man, this would be ridiculous and self-destructive. But to the jeet, he deserves to be a pilot because he tricked others into thinking he deserves it.

>>507206773
>plane cannot take off without deploying flaps. there are major warnings and sirens that will blast in the cockpit
That the pilots could have ignored. I've worked with jeets. They aren't stupid, but they are conceited and will do dumb shit if they think they know better than everyone else. I guarantee the experienced pilot has pulled shit like 0 degree flap takeoffs before and got lucky because the Dreamliner is forgiving.

>>507194498 (OP)
There are lot of complaints against Air India. They had to return a flight to Sydney after it's departure for clogged toilets recently.

>>507199708
The tail section landed comfortably on a building and intact.
They should have it by now.
But getting information off of it isn't like plugging in a usb. They'll need to send it, either to Fr*nce or the US.

>>507207496
It's literally a digital flight recorder

>>507207400
>Jeets think it's intelligent to scam others. The jeet pilot is "smart" for faking or otherwise cheating
Which is exactly why a 0 degree flap takeoffs is plausible. The stupid pilot was probably trying to prove he was smarter than everyone else by proving you dont need to set flaps to 20 degrees for takeoff.

>>507194498 (OP)
Maintenance checklist shit, review process shit. If only they put as much effort into maintenance as into hating Pakis.

>>507207156
>herr derr it's muh rectangular flying insect

>>507207093
You have zero actual evidence of the RAT being deployed other than your bullshit speculation.

>>507207730
https://www.reddit.com/r/ahmedabad/comments/1l9i1ga/om_shanti_to_everyone/

Propeller sound.

>>507207597
Plausible. Jeets are also notorious for their massive egos and the desire to be seen as competent, et. al. even when they aren't.

>>507207802
Some asshole on Reddit isn't a fucking source.

>>507201736
Retracting the flaps wouldn't cause a power failure. The RAT was deployed.

>>507207802
>>507207730
Should also be noted that the RAT can deploy both automatically and manually. If the pilot thought there was a problem he might have deployed it himself.

We literally know that the electric devices on a plane didn't work before takeoff kek.

It was the door in front of 11A. The door goes from right to left as it falls, meaning it came off the left side of the plane

>>507207866
The genetic fallacy isn't an argument.

I don't think the survivor is telling us the truth

>>507208135
Then demonstrate this.

That toilet was so clogged there was no coming back

>>507199304
hehe

>>507207970
You also know what isn't an argument? Some asshole on Reddit speculating that a RAT was deployed based on ambient noise and grainy screenshot.

>>507208189
Are you that retarded that you can't watch the video and see it for yourself?

>>507208401
I posted a link to a video. Listen to the sound.

>>507207970
Are you a jeet? You can blame culture of it makes you feel better. Of course culture is merely an expression of the genetics of a people, expressed on a mass scale via socialization. Or in short, genetics of a group forms its culture naturally given enough time.

See >>507207400

>>507194876
Pretty much this probably didn't help.
I've watched pajeet mechanics pass cars and trucks that had incredibly dangerous problems like brakes. I've heard most of them are abysmal aircraft mechanics they cut corners doing things like buying Chinese bolts instead of strengthened metal bolts. They pocket the difference.

>>507208423
You are dogshit at this. Learn to form an argument.

>>507194498 (OP)
Too much poo in the loo

>>507208457
Did you even reply to the right person?

>>507198225
This is the fucking problem all right.

its so over

>>507208423
Eat a cock jeet shill boy.

>>507194498 (OP)
the pilot was redeeming gift cards mid flight.

>>507208490
I've provided video, and frames of the video showing a rectangular object moving to the left and down. It's tough shit if you're too dumb to follow the dots

>>507208444
You are a jeet, aren't you? I understand the source for your speculation. The source is complete bullshit. Only a jeet would hold fast to an argument based solely on shitty speculation when clearly proven wrong. This does prove one thing, however. Namely, that jeets will do stupid shit even when proven to clearly be wrong. Which is why some dumbass jeet ignored multiple warnings and tried to take off without flaps, thus killing 250 people.

>>507198371
No one does anything with the engines below 400ft after experiencing a failure. You just focus on getting the gear up, trimming the aircraft and then getting the AP engaged. These blokes didn’t even get the gear up which leads me to believe they were startled by some major failure which drew all their attention. The appearance of the aircraft being in clean config is interesting as well, but that isn’t confirmed yet.

>>507208728
Here is a tip. When you are trying to make a point you should be leaving absolutely no doubt about what it is you are talking about to anyone. You should have a fucking microscope set up pointing exactly at the facts with all labels and references so that every single detail you want to convey is noted.

>>507208687
Unironically wouldn't be that shocked if he wasn't paying any attention at all and the plane already had maintaince problems causing catrostophic failure.
I've been in taxi's and the jeet drivers litrally on the phone to some realitive while driving puts them on hold and is acting as "tech support" while driving a damn cab.
Unsurprisingly he's half assing all tasks involved. Their cultures sense of superiority causes the arrogance that they don't need to do things like proper maintaince or focus on a task. Jeet down the road from me is constantly breaking his cars cause he refuses not to abuse them. Its clearly a cultural problem with some of them.

The door in front of 11A fell off just before impact, and the guy sitting there was the sole survivor. And when interviewed, he is very vague and does not give any information other than "I just walked out"

THIS IS FUCKING SUSPICIOUS

>>507208866
>These blokes didn’t even get the gear up which leads me to believe they were startled by some major failure which drew all their attention
Or you the dumbass jeets ignored multiple warnings and tried to take off without 0 degree flaps and were trying to manage a stall and didn't put the gear up.

>>507208982
>the plane already had maintaince problems causing catrostophic failure.
The plane won't be cleared for flight if pre-existing electronic problems weren't addressed. If there were maintainence issues and it was cleared, this is pure jeet stupidity. One way or another, jeets beung jeets caused the crash.

>>507209207
>you can't tell anything from grainy footage
>I'm 100% certain the flaps were 0 deg
CHOOSE ONE ASSHOLE

>>507209207
I don’t know about Boeings, but I fly A320s for a living and I can tell you aural and visual warnings will be set off if an attempt to take off is made without flaps being set in the correct position. I would expect a 787 would have similar take off config warnings as well. And I can tell you they are impossible to ignore, you can hear them in the cabin.

>>507199999
Yep there was a loud bang apparently. I’m going with a bomb.

>>507200300
It got off the ground. You’re a retard. It would still fly and climb. Go ahead, try it in the simulator. You don’t lose altitude once your off the ground because the fucking flaps aren’t deployed.

I dont really get it
when I studied in states one of my indian classmate was so fucking smart
literally one of the smartest person I personally know

>>507201092
With full engine power? Yes.

>>507203146
It was.

Toilet witches. They shouldn't have put those infernal devices on the plane.

>>507209633
You would lose altitude by selecting flaps 0 below the required minimum speed, however. Particularly if the gear is out and the aircraft has just done a de rated takeoff.

>>507209466
>aural and visual warnings will be set off if an attempt to take off is made without flaps being set in the correct position
Correct. It has to be intentional act to take off without flaps set properly. I have seen jeets do stupid shit like this before just to prove they are smart to other jeets.
>Look fellow sars! I'm smarter than boeing engineers and literally every other pilot in the world, sars! I can take off without flaps. Stupid westerners. India Superpower 2020!

>>507209708
Not impossible if the plane is stalling or if the flaps are configured incorrectly.

>>507194498 (OP)
>What could have caused Air India plane to crash in 30 seconds?

ANSWER: First the retarded Indian pilots did NOT use the full length of the runway, as we can see the plane take off at the very end of the safety strip..causing the clear dust cloud. But worse than that...upon takeoff the Captain called out to "gear up", and instead of raising the landing gear, the First Officer raised the flaps.

Being that it was 110F, and the airport is about 3000 in elevation..the air was very thin. Being that the plane was fully loaded down with people, things, and fuel....losing the flaps at THIS CRITICAL POINT meant that even at full throttle panic, that plane would flutter gentle to the ground just as we see on the video. Because the Captain probably had no idea that the First Officer failed to raise the gear (which would significantly reduce drag) and instead took away the critically important lift inducing flaps needed to get that fat beast to climb through that hot & thin air.

Pilot error all the way.

>>507207136
You’re a fucking bot.

They did start from mid runway. Poos dont admit it but its true.
Flaps not down.
Speed at takoff was way too low.
They climbed a bit trading more speed for height.
Speed became too low for level flight and plane did descend despite high angle of attack.
Bye pajeet.

>>507199282
>The real purpose of flaps for take off is reduced rotation speed so runway length requirements don't become excessive.
So no flaps + reduced rotation speed = bllody benchod? Btw spice it up with exeeded cargo weight and something that shouldnt kill you will sudenly do now.
They have exactly enough time to notice why they killed themselves but not even a second more to fix it

>>507209870
Thrust doesn’t seem to be full, that’s true. It should be able to drag the gear above stall speed at full thrust.

>>507209633
>It got off the ground. You’re a retard. It would still fly and climb
Proximity to the ground creates additional lift during takeoff. Literally once you are in the air, upward pressure decreases which is why you need speed to maintain lift. You can absolutely get off the ground and then stall out once in the air.

>Viswashkumar said the plane appeared to come to a standstill in midair for a few seconds shortly after take-off, and the green and white cabin lights were turned on.
No power, then power with drag (RAT) then crash.

> Almost immediately after take-off the cockpit gave a mayday call, India's aviation regulator said. No response was given by the aircraft after that. It's unclear what prompted the mayday call, but the flight's sole survivor has told Indian media that he heard a loud bang as the plane struggled to gain altitude

There was almost certainly a bomb that went off, not a big one, but it took out control of the aircraft.

>>507210281
You’re not climbing 600ft on a ground effect bounce. Anyway the plane can fly above stall speed with full thrust and the gear down once airborne. This plane almost certainly had full control loss, the pilots didn’t call a mayday because they forgot to drop the flaps. The RAT is deployed, I’m going with a bomb.

>>507194498 (OP)
Turd strike.

>>507210450
Probably methane gas explosion from the toilet :)

>>507210570
Or just methane in the hold igniting from the hazardous cargo in the passenger cabin.

>>507210086
It's over, we can all go home and call off the investigation. This anon figured everything out, and he did it without leaving the basement.

>>507198371
My theory is the captain called positive rate of climb and the numpty next to him retracted the flaps. Possible in your opinion?

>>507210557
Yes. Only explanation for a door flying off

>>507210887
Why do all you stupid fucks ignore:
1. The door falling off
2. The RAT deployed
3. The fucking plane GOT OFF THE GROUND

>>507210370
How is the RAT going to provide immediate power upon deployment when they aircraft is stalled? RATs require airspeed to generate power and it isnt an immediate switch off. Also, the RAT discussion is beyond stupid because the aircraft and hydraulics can run on battery for about an hour. The RAT wouldn't make a fuck's bit of difference even if it were deployed and functional. Regardless, the pilots had power (battery at least) which means they also had control of flaps and landing gear and it also means it was most likely pilot error.

>>507194498 (OP)
BOEING

They assassinated a whistle-blower ffs.

>>507207434
i dont think they took off without flaps man.
but they retracted them instead of the landing gear.
it is some unfathomable fuckup. but i cannot think of any other reasons for this.
the plane could not take off without flaps. the warnings will cause a ruckus.
there are 2 safety checks beforehand which you have to comply with and the plane almost initiates the flaps for you. this is a new airframe and has all the bells and whistles.

they did not retract the landing gear. and retracted the flaps instead of the wheels. it is still major fuckup.

>>507194876
BOEING Shill detected.

>>507211117
Explain what kind of pilot error will result in the plane immediately losing speed and altitude immediately after taking off.

This is the definitive answer, it was a lack of lift caused by a lack of thrust from the jet engines that had lost power due to an electrical fault . the Cause of the electrical fault is unknown but sources close to this investigation suggest that some minor modifications might have been mage to the boeing wiring during the planes 10 year ownership.

>>507211285
>>507211246
landing gear should be up as soon as possible since they cause too much drag.
they kept the landing gear until they crashed.

>>507210557
>This plane almost certainly had full control loss
Pretty much impossible due to battery backups.

>>507211373
It's a Boeing plane.

It's designed and built by incompetent retards.

>>507211117
So you want to ignore all evidence, including video, audio, mayday audio, survivor testimony...and blame jeets, because you just feel like it?

Ok bozo

>>507211465
you mean indians.

>>507211372
They never got to the point where the landing gear should be up. They lost speed and power almost immediately after takeoff. So your theory is simply put, wrong.

>>507211509
No I mean Americans.
Boeing literally murdered the guy who exposed their shoddy engineering.

>>507211346
>This is the definitive answer, it was a lack of lift caused by a lack of thrust from the jet engines that had lost power due to an electrical fault
Holy fuck you are stupid. Electrical loss won't cause engine failure, especially with battery backups and this presumes the fuel pumps are electric, because if the pumps were mechanical they would continue to run evwn without power. Once engines are up to speed, they will continue to run based on pressure created by the turbines. They just need more fuel which they absolutely would have had.

>>507211257
He's definitely a Boeing shill

>>507211562
it causes drag moron. it is vital. what are you on about?

>>507211599
dude lose the memeflag. it is so obvious.
boeing has suffered a mortal wound by hiring DEI indians. and their safety record plummeted after that. stop coping so hard.

>>507211601
>herr derr the thing with 65000 moving parts cannot possibly be to blame, OK?
>Boeing planes are flawless. It can only be pilot error

STFU

>>507211246
>i dont think they took off without flaps man
The video doesn't show movement of the flaps.

>>507211637
You have never been on a plane have you, Mehmet?

>>507211373
>This plane almost certainly had full control loss
>Pretty much impossible due to battery backups.
But what if battery explode?
Survivor position is really convincing that he could hear that.also igniting it would evaporite all evidence of device itself

>>507211806
You have no concept of how jet engines actually work, do you?

>>507211871
Plausible. Lithium?

>>507211871
You literally have multiple battery backups. Lose one. There's a back up to that.

>>507211848
787 has autogap feature. slats deploy automatically without any input by the pilot in low speed and high aoa.
so even if the pilot was a moron slats should have been deployed by themselves.

and there are major, i mean major warnings and sirens blowing in the cockpit if you attempt to take off without any flaps. i cannot believe that happened. that is beyond a fuckup.

>>507200606
Nah she's okay, but her head is two dimensional now, like in paper mario. Also she's got nigger poo AIDS from the jeet cock.

>>507211855
you dont know jack shit moron.
stop pretending. we know you are indian.

>>507211502
>So you want to ignore all evidence, including video, audio, mayday audio, survivor testimony...and blame jeets, because you just feel like it?
I blame jeets because the actual visual evidence demonstrates an incorrect flap configuration for take off. They had engine power, clearly because they had speed. They didn't lose electrical power because of battery back ups. The RAT, even if deployed is insignificant. It was pilot error. All actual evidence indicates this.

>>507212006
But there were ongoing electrical issues. The RAT was deployed also. So batteries likely flat. And if they are lithium and get too flat, they explode

>>507212282
Not substantiated.

>>507212146
You don't know jack shit, Mehmet. You have never been on a plane. If you think about your sandnigger theory for just a fucking second you would realize how retarded it is. You're saying that a plane cannot climb if it has its landing gear up. So how are they able to take off in the first place? And how do you explain planes aborting landings and going back up, all while having the gear down?

>>507212259
Do not fucking lie. You CANNOT determine flap settings from the video, AND flaps cannot be set at zero in 787, AND flaps at zero would not cause SUDDEN loss of lift, AND incorrect flaps would not make the fucking door fall off

>>507211948
>Lithium?
Duh...Its Boeing
But for real all what you need is an oversized mens watch size device with cumulative effect to go trough casing and ignite first battery pack to down this plane without any trace of wrongdoing because lithuim fire will clean it.
>Its perfect

>>507212545
Why not?

I’ve worked in it with jeets, and this how I think they would have handled the situation.

100 percent pilot error, with nothing really wrong with the plane, perhaps engines lacking full power due to poor maintenance.

Plane most likely was too heavy with underperforming poorly maintained engines

Flaps not deployed properly with landing gear still down.

Jeets panicked and quickly turned one engine off thinking one was faulty as a guessthat was causing the loss of power, rather than thinking flaps and landing gear caused the issue. Nose up out of desperation.

Doesn’t sound logical but that is the mind of the jeet. M2

>>507212415
>so tiresome.
dude you are a poo that is spoiling that fucking flag. this is pathetic.
in the low speed and lift the plane was in. the landing gear is a vital piece of their downfall. the wings do not even bend since they are not generating lift. at that instance it was a vital problem for them. you are just pretending.
please stop.

>>507212012
>slats deploy automatically without any input by the pilot in low speed and high aoa.
Slats are on the leading edge, so we dont know about them. They weren't in the video. Again, I've seen jeets do some tremendously stupid shit when their egos get involved.

>>507212710
tell me about it man look at this thread.
fucking poo expats all over.

>>507212545
>Do not fucking lie. You CANNOT determine flap settings from the video
You absolutely can see the position of both the left and right flaps in the video.

>>507212006
>You literally have multiple battery backups.
>Lose one.
So You are saying that all those electric cars that fully burned itself lost more than ONE battery cell?
You understand now Anon?

black box found

>>507212282
>But there were ongoing electrical issues
Depending on the flap mode on the 787, flaps can be controlled either via electric motor or hydraulics. If there were electrical issues, it would need to be a failure in multiple, separate systems and you would to lose primary power generation and all battery back ups. This is really, really unlikely.

>>507194498 (OP)
no flaps and stalling the plane in an effort to generate more vertical climb

>>507212831
i still cannot fathom them taking off without flaps. cockpit turns into a red rave if that is attempted.

but i think they retracted the flaps after takeoff instead of the gear. you can even see the wings losing their bend as they lose lift. still a major fuckup.