Thread 507258831

Why are the younger generations so unwilling to start their own businesses if they don't like how much they get paid?

You don't get ahead working for others

what kind of business doesn't work for others
i mean if i hire a plumber then he might own his company but he's working for me

once you start your own business, you get to pay taxes 4 times a year too!
Monday is tax day, again...

>>507258831 (OP)
what fucking business can I start for 1000 dollars???

>>507258831 (OP)
LLCs dont cost a $1000 to file, but other things like state business licenses and filing a patent cost thousands

>>507259591
Pressure washer, stuff like that, which is an over saturated market.

Shit thread post frieren

>>507259783
Everyone should have an LLC place everything under the LLC name and that way your name is clean when you file for bankruptcy. Is that how it works?

>>507259783
>loicenses
ngmi

>>507260005
I claim the elf

>>507259886
a chink commercial pressure washer is like $1200
you still need a truck and a lot of states require business insurance on top of that

>>507260112
I was thinking of starting a business where I put thin PVC pipes on roofs, so you can turn your hose and and soak your roof with water to help reduce the load on ones AC. As the water evaporates it will pull the heat away from your roof which will help cool down the inside

>>507259783
costs $100 in Oregon, and we hate business. OP is dead on, you lazy uninspired child.
https://stepbystepbusiness.com/start-a-business/oregon/

>>507259886
fuck me beat me to it.
dad said this 20 years ago, could have made a killing.
now the mexicans/jeets have flooded that market to the point where everyone with a utility van thinks they are a multi millionaire company.

>>507259591
Wood working unironically, problem being you'd have very little material to work with to fix your flaws and build your skill set.
However considering i've done it.

>few chisels
>few saws
>1-2 planers
>wood glue
>stain/sealer
>sand paper
>gloves
Most expensive purchase hands down would be the wood itself, exotic woods sell for thousands.
However I could find you some nice mahogany for a few hundred.

Rough estimate total cost like 1.5k dollars to start. It's going to be a few months of no experimenting because you can't afford to build anything that won't sell.

>>507260031
>Is that how it works?
No. By holding assets in different entities (llc, trust, etc.) they are protected from your negligence (like when you crash your car or harm someone) and liabilities. You can also protect your assets from divorcerape and other such problems.

>>507258831 (OP)
>start their own businesses
These doesn't mean anything unless you can keep bringing money in. Most people fail quickly because they can't turn a profit.

>>507260441
Do you live in a very dry climate?

most people don't buy iphones for $1000, what they do is they "buy" one through their phone contract and make monthly payments on the phone for several years.

An incredibly small minority of people pay full price for a new phone, those with actual money to do so. Also, what business can be started for $1000? Completely absurd, even a small business like just mowing lawns or power washing would be far more than that for just the equipment alone, assuming you don't already have a truck or some kind of van to move all the shit around in. I mean maybe if you're just working small suburbs with tiny lawns and you don't need a ride on or standing lawn mower, which cost several thousand dollars minimum for the lower end cheaper ones. Higher end ones can cost over 5 grand. Not to mention the trimmers, the leaf blowers, and all the other stuff you need, advertising, decals for your car, etc.

>>507258831 (OP)
Why do you faggots think it's that easy to start your own business?

>>507260525
the fucking cope and excuses...

>>507258831 (OP)
>start business
>it succeeds (most don't)
>have to hire people
>repeat same process of hiring people to work for shitty wages

OP seems to think this is a good system

>>507260464
sorry sweaty, scream louder

>>507258831 (OP)
I don't know Brandon Dawson, but I bet he sells a course. He can self suck and stop exploiting the stupidity of retards.

>>507259886
>pressure washing
>over saturated
heh

>>507260604
Hot climate, Texas. We have been getting a lot of rain for this summer so far, but people get $400 to $600 power bills as they jack the rates up during the summer. So if this water systems brought that bill down by half, it would be worth it.

>>507260695
from starting and running one? so does my hippy dippy zoomer friend

>>507260470
you can do woodworking in an apartment?

>>507260850
too busy counting money to scream, useless eater

For just $5 and a little bit of time you could start a toe clipping business. You can stand on the street corner and make $60/hr. That’s 2,400/week UNTAXED and all the free toe nail clippings you need

>>507259886
>pressure washing
>oversaturated
heh

>>507260913
You can't start shit without the tax jew and permit jew coming after you. You can't even sell fucking lemonade on your front lawn without the jew bullshit.

>>507258831 (OP)

because they are thoroughly indoctrinated to be as dependent on the system as possible, anon. They could never survive in the harsh reality that is the natural world. So they suck on the system's teat until they waste away.
This is a good thing. It separates the wheat from the chaff.

>>507261060
>he claims while posting on a chan
tis to laugh

>>507258831 (OP)
>business
It's more than just $999, its a lot of other shit. Also only women and browns buy iphones
>healthy groceries
I'll give him that one
>learning a new skill over netflix
Nepotism says hi

>>507261242
yep, you need a $100 llc and a tax ID number
or don't. Tons of people work in the grey market. I did, but hard to get any loan without a source of income on paper

>>507261060
Is it feeding time at the synagogue again?

>>507261055
I have done wood working in
>apartments
>storage units
>in my home (now)
There is no power tool necessity in wood working, most wood working is incredibly quiet and repetitive.
Have some music playing, have a tv on.
Take small breaks to let the mind rest, focus back on the project and keep working.

At the time I was doing it in this capacity, storage units were like 50 dollars a month.
And yes I did the majority of my heavy industrial work at the storage unit. Taking home pieces for more refined work.

No reason you can't do wood working in an apartment, as long as you aren't jointing and setting wood locks together at 3AM.

I do know
>used wood working tools can be bought for joint cheap they are everywhere
>all it takes is your time to learn

>>507260888
>it would be worth it.
I guess that depends on the cost of the water (if in a city) and/or the cost of running the pump (if on a well). Do you know what a swamp cooler (evaporative cooler) is? I hear they work very well in dry climates.

>>507258831 (OP)
>start business
>work ass off for 10 years
>80 hour weeks
>break even

>move to private sector
>60 hour weeks
>work ass off for 5 years
>make good money

>move to public sector
>39 hour weeks (gaming)
>work an hour per week from home
>make good money

>NEET
>Game as much as I want
>Zero hours working
>Tendies
>What even is money?

That's the caste system in the US. NEETs are the master race.

>>507258831 (OP)
why is a 1 post by this id jobless NEET asking this?

>1PBTID
>LOOK MA, I POSTED THE STUFF AGAIN

>>507261242
Depends where you live, anon. I have a small private computer business and I have never been loicensed nor insured. Cash only.

>>507261532
what do you suggest making? I have some woodworking experience (very rusty right now)

>>507261276
>nobody on /pol makes money
t. freelance AUV operator.
$100 llc, free FAA cert. under $1k for a quadcopter

>>507258831 (OP)
IPhone's $50 monthly, business is $25k starting capital + loans
Dinner and dessert are in the groceries dumdum
Takes more than 2 hours to learn a skill

Life's about choices.
More importantly, choices are about information: having the right info, accurately.

>>507258831 (OP)
>$1k to start a business
>$100 for groceries
Nigger what? God I hate boomers so much its unreal.
t. Millennial

I bought a food cart, a donut machine, and a hotdog machine. I carried the cart on a trailer with a hand winch, and towed it to market days and festivals.
It was hella fun.
It made shit loads- I was cash rich, buying the latest sunglasses etc.
Paid as much tax as I wanted, which wasn't much(when you have a job you are taxed before you see the money).
I only worked in the weekends.
Overheads were very low.

>>507261473
hur
enjoy poverty, slave

>>507261968
I do enjoy poverty, very much. You mad?

>>507261957
IMPOSSIBLE!

>>507258831 (OP)
Women get paid tens of millions of dollars to post photos of their tits on onlyfans
That’s why a lot of men arent willing to work for pennies or invest in a business

>>507258831 (OP)
> Why are the younger generations so unwilling to start their own businesses if they don't like how much they get paid?


most people just want to go to work and come home. This idea that everyone should become business owners or else deserve to live as a slave is an artificial construct of the pig capitalist system.

People just want to own a home, eat food and get laid. Why is that now tied to having multiple income streams?

>>507260470
I mean what kind of woodworking are you doing that those are all the tools you need, just carving stuff?

I do a bit of woodworking as a hobby and you need way more than that to do something like build furniture, especially if you're getting actual non dimensional lumber from a local supplier, stuff you need to joint and plain down yourself. My shop is very basic and even I don't have a jointer since I use my planer as a jointer using a slide, but I can only flatten smaller pieces with the jigs I've made. All of those tools are quite expensive. Even just a basic table saw not a saw stop is going to be nearly a grand unless you're just using a jobsite one which is cheaper I guess.

>>507258831 (OP)
Why should a man invest $999 of his survival money into desperately gambling with a pathetic small business attempt when Belle Delphine makes a million dollars per month doing absolutely nothing?

>>507260464
depends on the state, some examples
california is $70 up front, but flat $800 tax per year after
jew york is $200, but you must pay two newspapers for two weeks to publish notice of formation
texas is $300 one time fee with no annual cost
delaware is $110 but $300 annual tax
that said, all less than $1000 for first year

>>507258831 (OP)
$999 isn't enough to start any business even worth talking about, and learning a new skill takes sustained effort over a significant period of time, not two hours. These retards just make shit up and act like it's profoundly intelligent.

>>507262118
poverty keeps you down, so I'm fine with it

>>507258831 (OP)
Younger generations arent motivated to work because nobody is getting sex
Nobody has a family to provide for
Nobody has any motivation to do anything other than sit at home because all of their women have been stolen using money and now none of them have any reason to live, let alone work
If you want people to contribute to society, you have to give them an incentive and not de incentivise it by paying half of the population millions of dollars for having sex simply for being born a female

>>507258831 (OP)
All women are whores, and that’s responsible for the men being unwilling to work
/thread

>>507262484
doesn't seem like a huge hurdle

>Be born a woman
>Get paid $40,000,000 for registering on OF and showing someone your tits
>”How come none of the men my age want to work???”

Peak woman brain logic

>>507261532
What were you making? How did you move your product? What was your profit margin like?
I’ve been doing hobby woodwork for ages and already have tools. When I started looking at numbers last year thinking of making some things to sell for supplemental income, though, it looked like I could make more money per hour working at Walmart. There are a million people trying to sell their stuff on sites like Etsy, and prices are generally low. The only way I could figure around that was to go high end with bigger pieces made of high end wood, but that requires a substantial outlay up front because wood has gotten so damned expensive.

>>507261957
>I bought a food cart, a donut machine, and a hotdog machine. I carried the cart on a trailer with a hand winch, and towed it to market days and festivals.

That’s crazy bro. I know a chick that has 3 million dollars and five investment properties and shes not even 25 yet. She works from home

>>507261816
fingerboxes

>>507262999
>There are a million people trying to sell their stuff on sites like Etsy, and prices are generally low
>Just sell junk on a highly competitive online website full of Chinese goods for a living
That’s really the best advice you have for men?
Selling pallet furniture on eBay for $20/month?

>>507259255
A business that produces goods, but you're more at risk to market shifts compared to a service based business

>>507261816
Don’t make anything
Refuse to contribute to society for pennies until men are paid an equal amount
Have some self dignity

If women can make $40,000,000 doing nothing then men should be able too
Why sit around making finger boxes for $3 profit??

>toil and work yourself to the bone while your country is turned into a shithole with most of the retard normies coping or denying it
no, I'm not feeding the monster that seeks to destroy me

>>507261816
I suggest completely withdrawing from England’s economy until men are paid more and women are no longer human trafficked sex goods

>>507258831 (OP)
nobody buys an iphone outright, they pay a monthly fee for 2 or 3 years

a business for 1k lol that`s cute. what are you doing cutting grass or walking dogs for less than minimum wage?

also younger generations eat out and drink less than previous generations did at their age so try again.

we also know more then older generations about damn near everything and boomers are basically retarded, believe everything they see on tv, and get scammed constantly

buddy started multi million business with close line, wire hanger, and foam RC glider
offshore oil inspection rich now

>>507262566
Bitch, you will never break my spirit.

>>507258831 (OP)
> would you rather waste money filing for an LLC
> or a switch 2
uh

>>507261055
not legally as a business no
you cant do anything without a properly zoned and regulated and loicensed and inspected and insured location.

the trick is to just break the law but at that point you might as well be selling drugs.

boomers never had to deal with all that it was like the wild west they could just do whatever

Jews started to and want to get rid of all small regional banks, so who's going to give you a credit for that?
Say you do get the money to start one, do you know what a ridiculously big percentage of new businesses fail?

>>507259886
If you mean makinga a pressure washer and selling it? Then 1000 is not nearly enough.

If you mean pressure washing, starting with 1000, as business then you're nothing but a over glorified labour worker but without any of your rights as a worker.

>>507263608
oh S.N.A.P.

>>507263174
I wasn’t giving anyone advice. In fact I outright said that I couldn’t make the numbers work when I looked into it.
You could do it and technically make a profit, but as time intensive as most quality woodwork is you’d earn a lot less an hour than minimum wage.

>>507261957
very VERY illegal
i`m shocked you got away with it
at least in canada you need a special license, an approved cart from an approved cart manufacturer, an inspection, follow multiple regulations, and get a million dollar liability insurance, and then you have to bid on one of the few spots in the city licensed for food carts and its very expensive. should probably also hire a lawyer to navigate this legal minefield.

>>507261580
Yeah, Ive heard of them.

>>507262383
>just carving stuff?

Hah, bro.
I have built
>tables
>chairs
>desk
>storage chest
>dressers
With the exact list of things I stated in post.

>planer, jointer
1. You are using completely unprocessed wood requiring such things
2. I have a joint planer I stated that. Used one cost about hundred dollars.
I have about 20 different planers all bought used now.

>table saw
why? I have a hand saw.
You are required by your job to do things in a timely manner because production.
I am not held to the same time standard, this is my business. I often have to take things home to work on them because that's how I meet the same production standard.

I am being literal with everything I said.
1.5k dollars is easily enough to start a wood working business.
I have at this time built more than 20 different guitars with less than 3k dollars worth of equipment.
Guitar/luthier work is where you start needing every little speciality thing you can imagine when it comes to wood working.

With a saw, chisel, and planer I could build a table tool wise.
That is enough to say you have a business.
Every bit of profit goes back into buying better tools. Which is how you get to actual production levels where you are now able to afford things.

Hell I did this same thing with electronic repairs also.
Cost me like 20 bucks to buy a soldering iron.
Cost of the electronic components, the solder, a magnifying glass, and when I was a teenager I just repaired stuff all day.
Like 250 dollars worth of stuff and I owned a car, paid rent, etc on that business.

I don't know what world everyone lives in where they need 10k dollars to start a business.

>>507258831 (OP)
>$999 to start a business
>becomes vtuber
any actual businesses you can start for a G?

>>507264081
That's right.

>>507261473
do you have the webm of the room full of jews waving the russia and ukrainian flags while dancing?

>>507261926
Why does every dumbass think that "starting a business" means opening a competitor to Best Buy? There are thousands of different small businesses that you can start for $1000 or less. There's a reason why the vast majority of businesses here in the US are small businesses with zero employees.

>>507263705
https://sbs-spe.feddevontario.canada.ca/en/home-based-business

>>507258831 (OP)
Okay, but why did he swap the order in the last two? My OCD can't allow this.

>>507258831 (OP)
A business costs money to operate and maintain.

>>507264737
yeah i`ve read the laws extensively which is why i`m so pissed off. your link doesnt mention local zoning bylaws for instance or mention anything actually. there are licenses and regulations and zoning and mandatory insurance for damn near every business a legal minefield of convoluted bullshit

>>507264593
No I don't have that webm, but I have this.

>>507260464
You missed the part of liabilities where you need licenses and permits to do business, its not just starting the damn business.

>>507262999
>What were you making? How did you move your product? What was your profit margin like?

You already said it yourself, it's the wood that is expensive now.
Look I feel for you guys I get it.
Just remember i'm 36 and i've had multiple businesses since I was 14.
I've had a long time to keep reinventing myself and I have collected a long set of tools and consider myself a jack of all trades.

I have made everything you can imagine with woodworking, I build custom projects now like retro-future guitars (guitar body with modern electronics).
I also keep my spending absurdly low.

I know mechanics, plumbing, electronics, wood working, metal working, cybernetics, programming and in general I never spend money to repair anything in my house and I want for nothing.
A television/radio and an internet connection to download movies is about 50% of my spending per month when I was starting out.
Finds out you don't need to make a lot of money if you don't spend a lot of money.

Largest problem is
>everyone wants custom wood
>nobody wants to spend 2k+ dollars on the project
Kids want a thrashing guitar like the 80s Japanese models, but don't understand I don't make that shit for 200 dollars pocket money.
You better be putting out a minimum of 1.5k profit in my pocket.
If you want straight production, just build furniture and sell it at your local flea market.
People get what they pay for, you buy some shit 100 dollar furniture. don't be surprised with shit quality when it breaks down after ten years.

I'm looking at pale moon ebony i'm going to stain with a deep red for a project right now on a fretboard.
Once you shave it back down the deep grain will just have a twitch of red to it and pop.

>>507264817
the fuck you say. do they also make money sometimes?

you`re not allowed to just do things anymore

the founder of taco bell started with a wooden hut he hand built after selling off some old fridge or something for funds just built a fucking taco shack on the side of the road like it was minecraft

were he born in the modern era he would have been thrown in jail for that

>>507258831 (OP)
>buy an 999$ iphone

Nigger what

>>507265074
I saw that on another site. Yup, way more regulation up there. Down here, if you don't have traffic, zoning isn't an issue normally. You could do heavy industry in your garage, but pretty liberal

>>507264653
Small businesses are being killed off by dollar stores.

>>507265522
thats what boomers think. that we all buy a new iphone every year cash up front for a thousand dollars and thats why we cant afford their million dollar homes they bought on minimum wage decades ago

>>507263705
>the trick is to just break the law but at that point you might as well be selling drugs.
I ran a business without a license for about 10 years before getting caught. You know what they did to me? Absolutely nothing. They told me I had to file for a business license which costs like $80 and that was it. If I had sold drugs they would have thrown me in prison for 20 years. What kind of shithole is Canada that those two "crimes" have the same punishment?

>>507265555
*couldn't

What the fuck does "start a buissness" mean

>>507265683
any IRS involvement?

>>507259591
>what fucking business can I start for 1000 dollars???
Plenty of them.
Why do you stupid zoomers all think that "starting a business" means setting up some kind of meme techbro startup with offices and lawyers and accountants and taxes and paperwork?
You shouldn't be investing too much in any business idea until you are actually making decent money with it and it makes sense to scale up. Most business ideas fail, so the key is to not go overboard at the start when you don't even know if your idea is going to work.

>>507265683
we`ve been run by liberal control freaks for decades, even our conservatives call themselves the progressive conservative party. its a nanny state

>>507262999
>>507261816
>>507261055
>>507262383
Please mind the dust I haven't been in this room in like a year.
This is the first piece I ever made.
It was all rough handed. I don't think I used any power tools at all that I can blatantly say.

>>507258831 (OP)
Its just not worth dealing with the bureaucratic non sense. The younger generations are more autistic than ever and legalism and bureaucracy may as well be a roadblock on achieving anything.

For example, I dropped out of college purely because of the overwhelming bureaucracy involved in just trying to get classes, get registered, pick the correct classes for the correct credits for the correct degree. Nah.

>>507259783
>LLC
>state business licenses
>filing a patent
You don't need to do that stuff and shouldn't be doing all of that stuff when you are just getting started for the vast majority of businesses that you might be starting up. And if you don't have any entrepreneurial experience, you shouldn't be starting with the kind of business that does actually need shit like insurance or licenses before you start doing anything.

>>507265868
>plenty of them
name a few
i bet your ideas are retarded and you might as well just get a job at that point

good luck with licensing, registration, liability insurance, zoning and thats all for just selling lemonade let alone anything real

good luck competing with online retail and a hundred million third worlders selling whatever you`re making for ten times less

>>507266140
lol
try standing in a line all day with a catalog and registration slip

>>507258831 (OP)
This dude is playing a game of make-believe. Given how old he is, it's incredibly embarrassing to be going through this phase at his age. Our society is explicitly optimized to create and maintain a multi-paradigm nig-spic cycle. A content, well-actualized man has very little use for buying the newest gadget. A man who can work thirty hours a week to own a home has the mental and emotional energy to take up hobbies, learn new skills, cook healthy meals at home, etc. That people are spending massive amounts of money they don't have on escapism and empty pleasures is not a bug but the intended structure of postmodern capitalism. We are SUPPOSED to be so time and energy poor that we Purchase The Product to fill the void in our lives. We are SUPPOSED to be so atomized and unary that our bodies become not the thrones of our minds but empty meat to be hawked and sold to the highest bidder.

All of this is according to keikaku, and it is obvious to anyone who's ever worked a real job a day in their lives.

>>507266289
You do realize you forgot to put your meme flag on right?
Like bro we can see your chink colony flag.
No shit you would be the most doomer faggot in the world.

Some of us are just built better than others.

>>507262382
Its not like you have any say in a company you don't own about what cut of profits others get. If someone higher in management can just replace if your unsatisfied and you're left with the overwelming burden of proof you're supposed to be paid more, there's no other way around that except job hopping and being the business owner.

>>507266417
Good times, good times…

>>507266140
exactly, and you can never be totally sure you`re even doing it right and not accidentally breaking any laws its all so convoluted and obtuse and divorced from common sense as you sort through decades of steadily increasing bureaucratic bloat from every control freak who ever decided to leave their mark on the system

>>507266051
Thanks. That looks kinda doable for me. What was the first piece you sold and what is your bread and butter?

>>507266558
You get it

>>507266582
ad homs

>>507266829
you`re even more of a nanny state then canada. are you even allowed to buy a handsaw without a loicense in the uk. no way you`re getting away with this. its illegal to do anything

>>507258831 (OP)
How the fuck are you going to start a business with a grand?

>>507260110
God dammit upskirt anon, can I not get away from you? First in the 40K thread on /tg/ and now here?!

>>507266829
First piece I sold was the same thing I showed you, a copy.
It was recycled cheap wood, sprayed it with a shit ton of sealent, shaved it back down, painted it few times, shaved it back down, put one final touch up on the paint layer.
Think I sold it for like 200 dollars?
Which since it isn't particle board chinese garbage is pretty cheap.

I build solely custom work now.
I am in early retirement "i work when I need money" mentality.
So I take on like 3 projects a year now.
Usually one guitar, however the other projects are too diverse for me to really quantify.
I've built a giant totem pole for an idea of how far this has gone.

For the record though this is not all I do.
I also grow my own food (produce + animals), and do IT/electronic work also.
It's a weird life m8. Basically how it works is
>i do not take any job that requires me to have a hard schedule
You give me work, you expect the work to be done in the next year, make sense?

>>507266991
I'll give you some homs you little fruit cake.

>>507262383
>you need way more than that to do something like build furniture
People built the finest, largest, most ornate furniture and everything else for thousands of years entirely with unpowered hand tools.

>>507267324
OP can start a ball washing business for free.

>>507262464
Because you aren't Belle Delphine, you aren't even a woman.

>>507267602
how are you getting away with this? you`re lucky nobody has ratted you out to the police

>>507258831 (OP)
>start a business
>have to pay sellers permit
>have to pay LLC fees
>have to pay registration
>have to pay for equipment
kys nigger

>>507267694
case and point there is a famous bed that has cherub face carved into the head rest so they watch over you that cost like 10 million dollars that was entirely done by chisel and looks better than anything I have ever seen done by a CNC machine.

> need to spend around or over half a mil for a single bedroom shitbox
> half or more of my paycheck going to just having a roof over my head
> it's not even a productive asset that does anything for the country
> wtf why aren't young people investing

>>507267490
I never been on /tg/ and I always make my claim to the elf when I post that image, so either they are copying my posts, or they just posted the image without claiming the elf. Let it be known she is my Elfu

>>507267807
boomers just ignore all that and magically get away with bragging about their criminal activities totally oblivious to the fact that its all illegal and they can get shut down and fined to oblivion or spend time in prison if they ever got caught. younger gens just cant compete with that level of confidence

>>507262623
That chart is completely fictional bullshit made up by some retarded incel. The original chart ends at 2018 because that's when everyone started talking about muh sexlessness epidemic. All of the numbers after that are imaginary nonsense.
They haven't even finished doing the 2025 GSS yet, and have just barely started releasing data from the 2024 GSS.
The reality is that there is no sexlessness epidemic.

>>507265868
>Insert the septic tank installer meme
Ok boomer

>>507258831 (OP)
Start a business for 1k?

>>507267794
Cite a law I am breaking.
Seriously i'll wait.

Citation one single law I am breaking.
1. Private trade is private, if there is no receipt and they need to receipt no transaction has taken place.
2. I pay my taxes The IRS gives no shit.
3. No worker rights have been violated.
4. It is not illegal to build things in your private residence.
5. I am breaking no noise violations.
6. No law is being broken in regards to the transport of
>chemicals
>goods
>etc
Like seriously dude, post a citation, direct citation of any law I am breaking.

FYI no federal tax law is in violation.
What is income threshold.
What is exchange threshold.
What is sole proprietor.

>>507258831 (OP)
I was thinking about pimping your mother, OP. What do you think about that business idea?

>>507259591
Internet scamer, specifically mentoring.

What kind of business only costs 1000 dollars to start?

>>507258831 (OP)
You should start a business and hire ONLY white men. But this guy is just rubbing salt into the wound. We are being severely discriminated against.

Also the constant influx of jeets into the country makes everything more expensive.

But seriously, start your own business, let white people know you are white and maybe we can have a little of our own ingroup preference. Even produce something that you can sell overseas, advertise on /pol/

Because working at any large company you will be experiencing discrimination, you will not get ahead. Your white boss, if you have the luxury of having one, will not be able to promote you. If you are already established, you can move up, it isn't impossible.

If one good thing can come from this demoralization thread, let it be that some white man starts his own business and hires only white men.

>>507268523
your first point is
>if i dont get caught its not illegal
lol
anything beyond office work is against your local zoning regulations for a start. do you even have a business license for all the things you do, you would need multiple licenses. are you insured for this? thats mandatory. you need to be registered professional with years of college to legally do anything technical. etc etc

your special talent is the overwhelming confidence to just not care and do it away somehow assured that you`ll be totally fine and you`ve lucked out so far

>>507268975
>advertise on /pol/

kek

>>507258831 (OP)
Many people have this weird cognitive dissonance where they associate anything related to operating a business as capitalist greed but will work a full time hourly job for nothing but money and consider it virtuous.

the truth is operating even a small business is incredibly time consuming and few people have the capacity and endurance to sustain it so they basically want the salary of the owner without having to put in the effort of an owner

I personally just shit around and make 130k for a local company
Office is 15 mins away and I work from home (do nothing) 2 days a week

No college no debt, pretty comfy

Gonna have 200k in savings and 130k + in salary and the gf is making 80k..
Also most of that 200k will be in the market making me 50k a year at least.

I think it's too comfy to start my own business

>>507269069
yah just in a comment, if it isn't against the rules.

Obviously if you have a service industry business, do NOT do this, but if you are selling pepe tshirts or something, why the fuck not? Lets help each other

>>507269013
>and do it away
and do it anyways

>>507267602
thanks, i appreciate the insight. good on you. yes timber is really expensive here moreso than in america i assume but I have some money coming in from a little import business so not too worried if furniture remains an expensive hobby for me but maybe i could make a bit from it who knows. i'm also at the point where i'm just trying diversify my income and have a few things going on and i'll think i'll be OK

>>507269013
Provide a citation of a single law I have broken.

Are you seriously saying that people can't build things in their own garage? That's your entire argument?

You can’t just start your own business. I say this as a multi-owner.
You have to be carried or get super super lucky.
Almost everyone is carried because they know somebody.

>>507269333
do you even know your local zoning regulations? ignorance of the law is not accepted in court

>>507268038
>they can get shut down and fined to oblivion or spend time in prison if they ever got caught
That explains why boomers worship Israel.

>>507258831 (OP)
>999 to start a business

It's not 1990 you stupid fucking boomers.

>>507269250
I think the diversify income is the best way to do it.
Remember a decent amount of your furniture or projects won't sell right away. I have two chairs in my garage right now just sitting there.
They will sell eventually though.

Problem with the diversity business structure is that money does not come in steadily.
So if you spend a lot of money, this is not the life for you.
My wife has a job, a real job. That is our daily spending.
My income is higher than hers though, but it only comes in a few times a year and sometimes it comes in altogether.
Most of my money is what goes to large bills or goes into savings.
That's our dynamic and it works for us.

One thing bad about furniture right now, rough economy, people don't want to spend money on nice looking "things".

>>507261676
Just wait till gaming isnt fun anymore and you get to experience the massive gaping void in your soul realizing how much of your life you wasted

>>507261060
This kike is so low effort

>>507269333
and you`re not just building things. you`re running several businesses out of your garage without a single license, no regulation, on residentially zoned land, with no insurance or inspection. you`re breaking at least a dozen laws and you`re totally oblivious because you think you`re still living in the lawless wild west 1980s

3d printers, cnc mills, welders, design software, industrial controls, computers, tools, electronics are all super advanced and cheep as sin

mind boggling dipshits don't take advantage. Asia is. Tons of poor people gaining skills and innovating. The West is doomed.

>>507260764
>job
>no job
they are not hiring white men for even mcdonalds roles. You hiring a white man and paying him shit wages is better than nothing. Grow your company and pay them more. YOU can be the business owner and make that decision. You cant make that decision for some greedy boomer.

>>507259591
Registration fees alone is at least 300. And I bet they will be forced to buy some sort of extortionary insurance for at minimum 100 a month. (That boomers didn't have to deal with, boomers fucking up is how the insurance came to be) . Now lets talk about equipment. Op is a major cunt.

>>507269949
illegal in western countries
as a hobby fine. but you cant legally turn any of that into a business without navigating a legal minefield of licensing, regulations, inspections, insurance, zoning bylaws etc etc etc

>>507269448
What zoning regulation have I broken?
I said twice now, provide a direct citation.
You need to post an actual statute.

Because "building something in your garage" does not constitute a zoning violation.
This is not an industrial shop, this is not a storage facility, this place has no workers in it.
There are not goods passing in and out, there are not violations of any kind in the form of chemicals/good storage.
There are also no customers who walk into my home. There are only friends.

So dude, sounds like you are ignorant on zoning laws. Because to constitute a place of business very specific guidelines exist for what does or does not constitute a zoning issue.

I mean literally.
Dude.
You need to stop shitposting and realize.
I
do
not
live
in
a
city.
There is no violation of zoning law for the COUNTY that I live in. Because no zoning law exist that I am in violation of.
So provide a direct citation.
You don't even know what state I live in kid.

>>507270141
lol
Maybe in Canada

>>507268111
>>507267782
>>507267694
>>507266247
>>507265868

>>507270184
he's from Canada, doesn't know shit about business in America

>>507259591
In your Count tree I do not know, but in Mexico with that you can put a taco spot

>>507263004
the kikes and rich families who tell you what to do are millionaires just for being born, and you want to whine about a white woman making money for at least having the value of being beautiful, as opposed to having the value of being a wretched nation destroying traitor.

Not that I want women to do this, but honestly, you know some people are just fucking rich for existing right?

>>507258831 (OP)
>You don't get ahead working for others.
Get ahead for what retard? Not gonna play societies gay fag game of social points, i got enough for a comfy life. Suck a cock asslicker.

>>507259591
You can get all the licenses, training, and equipment to become a public notary for under $400. Work as much or as little as you want. 20-35k a year and that is very low impact work.

>>507269866
And what law am I breaking?
>license
county does not require a license to build and/or repair furniture and/or electronics.
>residential zoned land
see my other post, no law is being broken.
>insurance
Insurance is not needed on private transactions by federal law. Insurance is needed for RETAIL SELL, which I am not a retail.
>inspection
on what? furniture sold privately does not for state or federal level require inspection.

Once again provide citation, you're in over your head.
The only thing that is required is that I
>PAY MY FUCKING TAXES
which I do, very carefully, and have it double checked by a professional.

>>507264192
browns are just doing what they want, why don't you stop being a pussy and whining and just do it and see what happens. They will more than likely give you a warning.

>>507266289
>>507265868
>>507259591
In Home IT services for boomers. Theyll pay you an absurd amount of money hourly to help them with simple shit like email/pc cleanups. Only difficulty is advertising to them.

>>507266582
Name a few

>>507270296
>>507270407
>>everyone with initiative I lack, is a Jew

>>507270184
you want me to quote your local zoning bylaws. i dont even know where you live and im not your fucking lawyer. i dont even know what state youre in and dont bother telling me because im not looking it up for you. ask chatgpt what laws youre breaking im not your personal google

building something in your garage
and building something in your garage to sell
are two totally different things
the law doesnt care if you`re not seeing customers or storing chemical goods etc

i was going to start a business out of high school building and selling computers until i looked it up and realized it was against local zoning bylaws

EVERYTHING is zoned and regulated. youre just ignorant of all that and you should be careful who you tell what youre doing because im sure youre breaking the law somewhere

>but muh common sense. muh should be allowed
doesnt apply in the real world or a court of law

>>507269949
Most of Asia isn’t regulated to hell and gone like the west.

>>507259591
You can get a tabletop CNC machine and start woodworking

>>507269206
What do you do for this company?

>>507258831 (OP)
>999 to start a new business

lol fuck mlm

>>507270707
that`s the only valid answer and you`re right
the answer to starting a business realistically is just break the law and don`t get caught

>>507270496
Near 70% of employment in america comes from small businesses, not ran by imaginary jewish millionaires you invented in your head to justify being a worthless unemployed bum

>>507258831 (OP)
Most possible business opportunities have been largely captured. If you mean being a gig worker or starting a bar, fuck off.
To make matters worse, businesses require a ton of time and capital investment up front, and they usually don’t begin making money for at least a little while.
Most of us are jewish debt goyim slaves, so we have bills that can’t wait until a nice small business pays out.

>>507269693
yeah I get it to some extent
i'm not really chasing money, just enough to survive and i'm extremely frugal. i cannot do a 9-5 and i've been NEET for most of my 20s (so i got used to a low-income lifestyle) and that shit is boring too, i'm happy with the life i'm building for myself right now. i still give myself plenty of time to be NEET-lite and work on art and non-monetised pursuit, currently have 3 part time jobs and my import business, working on another little one and still work less than a full time job lol. making OK money and not having to kms in a 9-5
>One thing bad about furniture right now, rough economy, people don't want to spend money on nice looking "things".
I used to work as a gardener for high end clients (hated the graft so quit but still involved in plants as a business, my main interest) and these people definitely spend. I'd have to get really good before I sell to them though. They've bought plants off me however.

>>507270896
just keep it secret so nobody knows you`re operating an unlicensed and unregulated and uninsured manufacturing business in a residentially zoned area

>>507270744
You seem to be very ignorant of the law in general dude and very angry about something you don't know anything about.

>Building in your garage and building in your garage to sell
Not according to the law, provide statute.
You're confusing private sell with "commercial".
As a private seller I am not a formal business providing commercial to the general population.
Which means

1. I can sell to whoever I want and can deny a sell for any reason that I want.
2. As long as I am not in direct violation of any building code, zoning code, and storage code I can keep, work on, and store any item I so want in my own garage.
3. Private sells are different than commercial sale.

I don't understand why you're so upset about something you seem to have only barely looked into once in your life and acting like you know anything about what you're talking about.
Who hurt you dude?

>>507266247
Pest control is a really simple fucking thing. And they let any bozo spray his own house legally. You want to start a businsess doing that? 1500 up front licenses and registrations plus 100 dollar a month insurance. And that's if you have a degree in a related science field. compsci bros you are fucking you have to work under someone else for 6 months to be allowed to take the license test.

>>507266289
>good luck with licensing, registration, liability insurance, zoning
You don't need all of that when you are first getting started.
Say you want to start a business selling widgets. You don't need to and shouldn't start out by investing $10 million in a widget factory to churn out thousands of widgets per hour, licenses, insurance and all of that shit when you don't even know if anyone even wants to buy your widgets.
You should start out by making a few widgets by hand in your house and then seeing if anyone actually wants to buy them. You honestly don't even need to do that, you can just set up a web page advertising your widgets (that don't even exist yet) and see if people try to order some.
You don't need licenses and all of that shit at that point, literally no one is going to care.
You will probably find out that no one actually wants to buy your widgets and the business will fail like most businesses that people try to start.
But maybe there is demand for your widgets. People trying to order your widgets faster than you can make them. At this point where there is actually money coming in, now you can start thinking about ways to ramp up production. You still don't need licenses and shit at this point, you really don't need any of that until it gets to the point where it goes from some hobby side hustle to an actual legitimate business.

>>507270735
This your grandfather?

>>507270883
STFU, coward. Only industry I haven't been able to do on a large scale, on my residential property, is electroplating.

>>507271064
I never said I didn't have a job, but are you really going to sit here an deny that white people are being severely discriminated against? What is to stop your boomer small business owner from hiring jeet trash? He saw on the TV that it was just groovy.

Btw, I don't live in america, you stupid burger fuck. What do the make up of small businesses around you look like? if you are in heaven good for you buddy. But it's pretty shitty around these parts. Go fuck yourself

But yes, you should apply for small business jobs rather than large companies

>>507271469
>pic rel is this guy

I was a heroin addict, in and out of jail, and did 4 years in prison ending in October of 2021. I started a handyman business with a bucket and shovel cleaning dog shit riding a bike to jobs. Got a $1500 ford escape and learned everything I was hired to do on YouTube. Bought and returned tools as I needed them from Home Depot and only post $5 ads on Craigslist. I now have a truck, nearly every Dewalt tool under the sun and make $50 an hour in cash putting up fences and building awnings. It’s absolutely possible to succeed. You can start with literally nothing as a convicted felon and absolutely no experience in anything other than speedballing and stealing trash cans worth of shit from Home Depot.

>>507271333
>if you`re selling a piece or two in your spare time
>if you`re building A piece of furniture (as in one piece)
buddy you have a full time business manufacturing in a residentially zoned area selling enough furniture to make a living. its not the same thing as building a chair or two once a year and selling them on craigslist

>boomer thinks you can start a business with 900 dollars

Lol what an out of touch retard. Boomers made barriers to entry ridiculous with licenses and fees because they were terrified of competing

>>507271064
actually you replied to a different comment than i thought you did kek.

I was just making a point that whining about someone making money while many people are born with money is silly. he is woefully whining about how unfair it is that she made money while he can't make money, so why should he work.

His comment was literally what you are accusing me of you retard.

>>507271043
As long as youre not cashing 5k checks every week nobodies gonna care if your running a little business.
Id recommend an informal word of mouth type business for someone starting out, then if things start picking up and is sustainable then start doing all the legal stuff

>>507269393
>You have to be carried or get super super lucky.
Yeah. Though to do it from a standing start. You definitely should have a nice, comfy nest egg saved up because it'll take you a while for people to realize you exist and for you to learn how to find customers. Also, you are going to have to be frugal as fuck to survive the first couple of years.

> t. started without being carried but did have a sizeable nest egg

>>507271224
Man I'd say it's a hard life, but this is way more rewarding.

First off, I answer to no one, right there is enough for me. I'm a red blooded son of a bitch and I believe in a mans freedom to an extent.
Second the schedule freedom. I work a lot, I work often, but also if I want to spend time with my wife or an emergency, kid situation comes up. I can just handle it.

I do end up working a lot into the evening, spend a bit of time with the family, go work for another 2-4 hours while wife takes care of the kids.
Not rich, flatly we aren't, but we aren't poor either, not by a long shot.
We are also inflation proof for the most part.
it would take total economic collapse to make even a dent in my life.
I've got a bedroom full of books, I've got all the skills to survive just about anything, we've got instruments, we've got food.

>>507259591
You can buy dildos and open an only fans.

>>507271352
you need a business license
you need insurance
you need a plot of land zoned for at least light industrial use
even to make and sell a few widgets a month online

you can probably get away with it though. everyone who starts out starts out illegal. its the only way to get ahead. most dont even know they`re breaking several laws

>>507271601
why do you keep telling Americans about Canadian regulations?
They do not apply here. Long history of "cottage industry" here that isn't going away. We don't care how the Queens dick tastes.

>>507258831 (OP)
I was running a business and going to college and Muhammed boomers made me stop both and live at home because boomers thought it upset muh family hierarchy. I prayed real hard for God to end the world and Covid came. AI's promising but the world still sucks so I'm praying for these vaccine side effects to get real bad or for covid to come back.

>>507271779
yeah thats called not getting caught, doesnt make it legal though. now youre breaking another law by dodging the law

>>507271601
I asked who hurt you dude.
Drop the fucking act and realize you're fighting on the internet on a subject you are hopelessly in over your head on.

So who hurt you?
Let's talk about that pain you're feeling and see if we can't stop you from being this butthurt.
Maybe if you stopped being such a little cunt, you'd realize that I know more about this than you do and could have given you really good advice on the subject.
So come on, what's really on your mind?

>>507271876
I traveled in Asia for a while. One of the most noticable things was the store on the first floor and the housing in the 1 or 2 stories above it. It was nothing glamorous, but by having your home and business be the same thing it really fucking cut costs for them. Absolutely fucking illegal in the US. You are required to purchase or rent a second property for extortionary prices. Its really horseshit.

>>507259591
You can maybe get custom things made in China by like PCBWay or something and try selling them online. The barrier to entry is fairly low and you don't need much capital or assets. The problem with this Boomer line of thinking though is that a minor business also returns minor profit, it's usually not even worth wasting your time and stressing over.

>>507260005
Frerien is Harry Potter for nazis

>>507271876
>you need a business license
What if you aren't a commercial or retail business?
>you need insurance
not for private sell you don't.
>you need a plot of zoned land
not if you're not in violation of zoning laws.

Drop the act kid.
Who hurt you?

>>507259591
Onlyfans

>>507272260
>Onlyfans
would you pay to see my butthole?

>>507272015
Why pray for the world to end when u could just tell your family to pound sand?
Sounds like u have a woman dominated family. They will unironically do every thing they can to keep you down if you start rising above their preferred offspring (especially daughters)

>>507272140
>Absolutely fucking illegal in the US. You are required to purchase or rent a second property for extortionary prices.
lol. WTF? All kinds of live work in America. Has been forever.
Like Main St. USA

>>507260470
>>507259591
>>507258831 (OP)
ok if I hypothetically inherited 400k leaf pesos then what kind of business should I start?
>hard mode: it can't be bad for the community

>>507272084
there were at least a dozen small business plans i came up with over the years and they all ground to a halt once i started reading into the regulations to see if any of it was legal. i should have just been like you blissfully ignorant of the law and done it anyways and i might have gotten away with it. now im old and poor and half my life is gone. i fucking hate nanny state everything is illegal canada and i find it hard to believe that in america you can just do whatever the fuck you want with no laws. i think you just never looked into it to notice the laws and assume there are none

>>507271285
Yes, and only use cash

>>507272225
England hurt him

>>507259591
Turn an ounce into an empire if you can work a digital scale.

>>507272225
it doesnt matter everythings illegal common sense doesnt matter
youre just trying to apply basic common sense to the law. the law doesnt make any sense. everything youre doing is wrongfully illegal. but youre getting away with it so keep at it i guess

>>507259591
I spent $500 on some basic artwork touchups and logos then wrote a text based game that people pay me over $1k/month to continue. It worked pretty well.

www.auraclash.com/adventure

>>507272558
Well first thing i'd ask is what do you like, what are your skill set?
No point speculating on things that would put you bankrupt because of your own lack of enthusiasm or lack of knowledge.

>>507272567
Have you realized you live in Canada, more than likely in a Canadian city with much stricter laws on the subject kid?
I'm asking because you seem to be ignorant of the law in general. So I'd get that you wouldn't even know your own countries laws.

>>507271343
>Pest control
That's the kind of thing I was talking about as the kind of thing that isn't a good idea for your first attempt at starting a business. Especially if you don't have any experience in the pest control industry working for someone else.
Your first try should be something more basic like a low key lawn maintenance business where you don't need any kind of certification or license.

>>507272082
Dont care. Theyre not gonna waste their time interrogating me and my clients over how many 50 dollar mow jobs i did. And even if, what are gonna do take my shit trailer and 20 year old truck? Kek

>>507272788
What if I'm not breaking any laws?

>>507272567
In modern America, "cottage industry" refers to small, often home-based businesses that produce goods or services, sometimes with a focus on traditional or artisanal crafts. While the scale is smaller than mass production, these businesses can thrive by offering unique, personalized products and adapting to market trends. They play a role in local economies and can preserve cultural heritage.
Key aspects of modern cottage industries in the US:

Home-based or small-scale production:
These businesses operate outside of large factories or corporations, often from a home, workshop, or small storefront.

Examples of products:
Examples include handcrafted jewelry, pottery, woodworking, textiles, and even food production like baking or jam making.
Emphasis on quality and customization:
Many cottage industries offer unique, handcrafted items that can be personalized to customer preferences, which can be a significant advantage over mass-produced goods.
Adapting to modern markets:
While preserving traditional skills, these businesses are also leveraging technology and online platforms for marketing and sales.
Economic impact:
Cottage industries can be a valuable part of local economies, creating jobs and utilizing local resources.
Examples of thriving cottage industries:
IBISWorld reports highlight industries like telehealth, alternative healthcare providers (like yoga and meditation instructors), and even some food production as examples of thriving modern cottage industries.

>>507272913
Hell you might be more knowledgeable than I am on the subject.

Handcrafted Jewelry is a fine example of a regularly performing home business in non-violation of any zoning laws. That also does not require insurance nor license.

>>507272225
What business are you talking about if it can't be zoned commercial and cant have insurance? Dude I can't even park my own vehicle in front of my house without insurance and both are paid off

>>507272822
everything is illegal in canada ok EVERYTHING
every blade of grass on the kings land is in zoned and regulated territory. you can not have a fucking lemonade stand on a country road without liability insurance, an expensive approved cart, licensing, regulations, and inspection, etc etc etc

>>507272140
Meh im on the fence on that one. Those asian style home businesses look tacky as fuck, but their population density is typically so high i can understand why they do it

>start business
>get mummyfied with paperwork
>have the IRS' finger up my ass every couple months
>the whole industry is saturated with the old heads making secret deals to fix prices
Yeah nah

>>507272510
Absolute lies. Everywhere in America is zoned into residential and commercial. Or is so far away no one will actually go there so they don't care about enforcing anything.

>>507271876
You can make shitty jewelery and crafts right now and sell it on etsy. I knew some girl who did this. They were awful, but somehow she made money.

But you don't even need that, just start your damn business and worry about the rest later. You don't think the cops are busy with all the shitskins in thsi country? They let them do whatever the fuck they want for a lot of things, especially in the realm of business.

Seriously you advertise on kijiji some sort of service, you do it, you get cash. That's it. You think johnny law is going to come knocking? Jeets are literally advertising LMIA jobs on kijiji kek, they are advertising rape for rent on there hahaha.

Stop thinking of reasons not to do it and just help yourself and maybe some other white man too

You have absolutely no idea how much under the table business goes on in this country.

>>507259591
>what fucking business can I start for 1000 dollars???
I think that's more the cost to register with the secretary of state and fill out paperwork, etc. Legal zoom is an example of a site that can help you set up your business.

>>507269700
Is working 60 hours a week for mid pay and schlomo's profits really any more fulfilling?

'Skill' is only relevant in super niche services. Otherwise is all about who you know. Total boomer take

>>507271876
No you do not, you autistic Pajeet retard.
You have no idea what you are talking about because you have no actual real world experience with any of this stuff.
I do. I have started several small businesses. You don't need an LLC or insurance or licenses when you are making 3 things per year like that other anon.

>>507273072
AI overview
I live in a shitty state for innovation, and you can do just about anything from home. The South, you can do like ANYTHING, anywhere.

Canada sounds locked down though

>>507258831 (OP)
You need money to start a business you fucking idiot. There is no money for citizens to start businesses because the government gives it all away to foreigners.

>>507272833
I do have experience and even had the license before. But I let it lapse cause I was doing other stuff. But now it sounds like a good thing to start and all I have to do is take the test and register. Its still a pretty big up front cost that I really shouldn't have to deal with. And also the state makes certain parts of the process stupid. Getting the manuals you need to study requires printing out a paper and sending a money order by snail mail. And they have big scary warnings that the manuals are only for government employees even though that can't possibly be true since most pest control is done privately by dedicated business or farmers. Really silly as fuck. But I know how to do all that, its just a lot of blown money on nothing at all. You can buy the mainly used pest control concentrates on amazon without any license. Its only when you want to make a business you need to start jumping through hoops.

>>507270896
You forgot the $300,000 house and garage you need access because you can't do this in an apartment and your roommates won't like you running your lathe all day if you have any.

>>507273303
if i could enjoy gaming again trust me i would, but it just stopped doing anything for me. Kinda like how gijoes eventually became uninteresting when i was a kid. But i invested so much time in games.bit was soulcrushing

>>507273234
she made money because she has tits and an instagram where she waves her tits around and gets sympathy sales for being a woman. nobody wants to buy a shitty bracelet from a middle aged incel.
>kijiji
>cash only
>dont get caught
yeah i guess but i dont think thats going to get me far

>>507273524
>just make and sell 3 things a year
lol wtf

i have spent hundreds of hours reading this shit everytime i get some dream over the years and then check the laws and watch as they crush all my hopes and dreams

where as you just do it illegally, blissfully unaware of every law you`re breaking, and you get away with it. thats what i should have done, just not give a fuck

>>507272820
How do you make money? I skipped through a couple things but saw nothing that suggests I pay anything.

>>507260112
just ignore regulations and if an inspector ever shows up say no habla ingles

>>507273085
I'm sorry for your loss Anon.

>>507273084
Seems like a Canadian problem Anon.
here is how The US works.
The city/county/state/federal government have specific laws for zoning in that order.
You cannot break any law at any level that you live in.

Example
I live outside of Y city, in X county, within Z state.
I am not brought about by the laws of the city, but I am bound by the laws of the specific county/specific state/and federal generalized.
With the only exception is that at any level higher does it have caveat of "unless stated by the city/county/state".

>insurance
why do you keep saying this as if it's a real thing?
A ton of businesses do not require insurance, a ton of businesses do require insurance.
Most people keep insurance because the type of business they run.

This is why you are ignorant.
DIRECT CITATION
TENNESSEE
>insurance is required for 5 or more workers
>generalized LICENSED INSURANCE is not required for all businesses, only specific businesses
>a business dealing commercial or retail requires a license to practice business

So if the state has those laws and the county and/or city have no direct cited laws to counteract these measures.
That means there are businesses where I am required no general LLC insurance, nor am I in violation of zoning.
So I don't get why you are arguing.
Because you live in Canada.
Not Tennessee in this hypothetical.

>>507273795
Yeah that's a fair point but it goes without saying that you should be far away from a city

>>507273195
you stupid fucking child. lots of dual zoned areas and

my city, that hates business and independence

In Salem, Oregon, home businesses are generally permitted in residential zones as long as they adhere to certain regulations. These regulations often limit the size of the business space within the home, restrict the number of employees who don't live on-site, and may impose limitations on customer visits and vehicle traffic.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
General Permissibility:

Home businesses are typically allowed in residential zones as an accessory use to a dwelling.
The Salem city website specifically mentions that many home businesses are allowed, and provides examples like accounting, consulting, and craft businesses.

Specific Regulations:

Space Limitations:
The total floor area used for the home business cannot exceed 25% of the habitable space of the home.

Resident Operated:
The business must be operated by someone who lives on the property.
Employees:
There may be limitations on the number of non-resident employees, potentially limiting it to a small number or none.
Customer Visits:
Some regulations may limit the number or frequency of customer visits to the home.
Traffic and Parking:
There may be restrictions on the number of vehicle trips generated by the business, and on the parking of commercial vehicles.
Noise, Odor, etc.:
Businesses should not create excessive noise, odors, or other nuisances that affect neighbors.

Zoning and Planning:

Zoning laws are designed to maintain the residential character of neighborhoods and minimize the impact of commercial activities.

In Salem, you can find information about zoning and land use regulations on the City of Salem website.
You can also contact the Salem Planning Division for clarification or assistance.
In some cases, you may need to apply for a home occupation permit, which is a type of land use permit.

>>507270543
how much is the rent?

>>507260441
What did fish ever do to you bro?

>>507265868
>plenty, but I won't name any
Thanks for stopping by before your 5th trip to Walmart, Billy Boomer.jux8wt

>>507272820
Assuming not bullshit, how do you even get traction for that?

>>507259255
Piracy

>>507272822
I'm good at DIY stuff but lack experience with anything too complicated. I made the mistake of putting all my efforts into being a musician which is not really a skill I can ever use to provide for my future, but it did teach me how to put all my focus into something and become god tier at it.

Until recently I was thinking of an acreage and preparing for raising livestock but that doesn't seem as profitable as I was hoping it would be and I'd have to invest EVERYTHING into it pretty much, plus I'd still need to find a wife before I go out there or spend 40 years with goats and then die alone

>>507260470
Okay boomer, just hurry up and die already.

>>507258831 (OP)
I started a business and it cost me 70000$. Get real.

>>507269333
>just own a garage bro
On that acre of land you own, right? Next to your house that you don't rent because no landlord would let you run a business on their residential property.
Oh, and once I have the garage, all the equipment should just appear in it, right?

>>507258831 (OP)
i ran my own business for awhile, fuck working everyday.
fucking horrible

>>507273873
>she made money because she has tits and an instagram where she waves her tits around and gets sympathy sales for being a woman.
she was an ugly hippy hag, and I doubt she would put her shit out there kek. She was selling items to other ugly hippy hags.

So why dont you be an ugly unlovable chud and sell items to other unlovable ugly chuds?

>kijiji
>cash only
>dont get caught
>yeah i guess but i dont think thats going to get me far
yah bud thats because you are pussy and you don't have the balls to do it kek. Oh no it's the royal horsey men come for my trinkets! Seriously we are half way to anarchy already and all I can hear is whining. You go to china town and you will experience stores with NO english whatsoever, not on the menus, not from the staff. And you you wretched little pussy thinks the fucking horsey men are going to come sniff your shit.

>>507273971
Tldr:
Boomer found the interwebs again, just give a firm handshake and you kids will be millionaires by the end of the week.

>>507273971
and where i am the law never clearly defines what is considered a "craft" business. can i use a 3d printer? or a cnc? what if im mass producing some widget is that still a craft? you`re at the mercy of a judge

>>507274134
Oh yeah musician is horrible route unless you're a gig runner or a teacher.
Wife use to be in a metal band here, we've produced 3 albums together. Barely made enough money to buy a car ain't sustainable for most of us.

>goats
I mean it's reasonable, they have a specialized diet a bit more than most, but hey.
go post on /out/ there is a really awesome dude over there who I have had multiple day long chats with who owns specifically goats.
I own sheep so i'm not very aware of the difference between the two.

>>507262140
I followed the regulations, nothing illegal about it. Eg there was a guy owned an auto shop near the entrance of a sports stadium. I asked if I could put my trailer out front when a game was on- paid him $50 each time and used his power. Everyone on their way to the game wanted some fresh donuts.
Each week I banked $1000 in coins, which could be expensive to process, so I said they were saved in my piggy bank and they counted them for free. And that was just the coins.

>>507273971
The only legal dual use around here is pretty new and restricted to big-time slumlord jews renting out first floor space to businesses and renting out apartment space to goys and Schvartzes on the upper floors. Other stuff is pretty small time out of the garage (plumbers, handymen etc do house calls) which is probably illegal and no one knows about it so they get away with it.

I don't know how it is in oregon. Maybe it is different there. But all that bullshit you just spewed out the wrong whole sounds like a big fucking hassle to me.

>>507274398
>just break the law bro, the cops dont care
is what you`re really saying and maybe you`re right.

>you dont have the balls to sell shitty bracelets or whatever cash only on kijiji for fuck all money thats why you`ll never go far
incoherent

>>507271064
>Near 70% of employment in america comes from small businesses, not ran by imaginary jewish millionaires
46% of employees work for companies with less than 500 employees.
That's not close to 70%.
And of course this includes

>women selling shit on etsy while their husband pays 90% of the bills
>corporate franchises
Your typical "small business" isn't a woodworking shop, it's your local McDonalds trying to reduce their liability.

Very few people actually make a make their living with a business started from scratch.

>>507274294
>>507274300
if you're this nihilistic why don't you just kill yourselves?
Not being facetious, generally curious.

Because you kind of sound like women right now.

What is a good youtube niche to make some cash in if you don't want to put your face out there? I think there is still a lot to be made in jewtube these days.

>>507258831 (OP)
>start a business for $1000
last time i did this i had to dodge undercover cops and the dea

>>507265868
This so much.
Everyone has all these hollywood preconceived notions and visions of what it means to own a business which comes from the wildest recesses of their imagination. Typically these false presumptions are enough to filter most people from even trying

>>507274672
Yes thank you now stop saying retarded shit. I am right, and you are just making little queefs in this thread, so pls stop

>>507274785
should have just sold drugs instead of trying to sell hotdogs or whatever and they probably would have left you alone

>>507274729
Way to dodge my argument. Is my point invalid?

>>507258831 (OP)
Usually what happens is the first few companies which obtain enough money to bribe politicians, bribe politicians to enact regulations and other barriers to entry which make it impossible for some goy to start his own business

>>507274848
the only way to get ahead in canada with a small business is to ignore the million legal cockblocking hurdles and do it anyways and just dont get caught. yes yes i know. but still FUCK CANADA

>>507274918
>bro why am I broke all the time this is impossibly
Have you considered you are suppose to build up?

You start with something small, like a handful of tools, you build up to buying production equipment/skill set, you use that to buy a house, you have the house to keep more stuff to make more money, which gets you a better house with a garage, congrats.

You will literally do everything in your power to not just work.

>>507274684
Gonna need some sauce on that statistic.
Just drive down the road in any commercial district and youll see mostly small businesses with a few bug corps sprinkled in

>>507274907
>Just start a business feeding drug addled zombies their drugs
Youre everything thats wrong with society

>>507275177
yes but you have to break many laws to get to that point. not caring about the law and do it anyways is valid advice. pretending there are no laws against you isnt. production equipment in a residentially zoned apartment until you save a million dollars to buy a house and then do it probably still illegally but maybe less illegally in your garage. yes thats the way to do it but not everyone has that kind of obnoxious confidence

>>507274607
>a big fucking hassle
you're right. fuck it

>>507275450
it was sarcasm and being bitter about the state of legal hurdles against small business stupid. i dont literally sell drugs

>>507275112
now you are kind of misrepresenting what I'm saying. I say don't let some stupid words you read on the internet dissuade you from starting a business and hiring white men.

Start your business and once you get going you can go legit. But realistically, you can start a business by registering one for free with teh govt. and then you can sell your services for a fee by advertising online. generally your clients will want to pay you cash or transfer. If you have the equipment you need to do the work already, tehre is 0 cost to starting a business.

And as for legality, it is up to your discretion, for many things, people will just give you cash, and then it is up to you to record that and pay the taxes on it. When you are small it is very unlikely the CRA will climb up your ass. But if you become larger, there is a much larger chance.

Wait till you have employees to pay/insure that’s a whole other fucking headache.

>>507275827
buddy you just spelled out exactly what i said but with more words

What kind of business can be started with only 1k in the year 2025?

>>507275483
In my country if you start a food cart you need a hawkers license and a food safety plan. You then need permission from whoever owns the spot you set up.
Not difficult...step by step. Just start and the steps reveal themselves.

>>507275600
o

The OP is a bot.
The jannies need to deal with this.

>>507275971
ass washing
customer shows up and you spray his ass clean with a hose
you`ll need an asswashers certificate though and insurance and zoning

>>507275177
This is reaching comical levels of delusion. Do you really expect me to believe that sitting in a one room apartment with a couple of hand tools can earn enough money to buy a house?

You'd be surprised how few tools you an get for $1000. And once I do perfect my craft and produce something great, how exactly would I get anybody to buy it? I wouldn't be able to advertise. It could be months before even one sale is made. How am I supposed to live while waiting for things to take off? Oh, and what happens when the apartment owner knocks on my door and tells me to stop making so much noise with all the tools?

I doubt that anyone has EVER done this, and if they did, it certainly wasn't in the past 40 years.

>inb4 your only response is "stop whining"

>>507273873
>blissfully unaware of every law you`re breaking
You are the retard who is unaware of the laws. It's not illegal to do small scale rinky dink sole proprietor business type activities out of your home. You don't need licenses or any of that stuff if you aren't doing anything weird like operating an actual physical retail showroom store out of your house and having customers constantly coming in and out.

What business can you even start? All the low hanging fruit has been taken. You can't compete with monopolies.

>>507276153
Start a door-to-door ass washing business for fat lazy fucks who can't wash their own ass.

>>507275971
almost any. get an LLC for a as little as $100. Boom, you started a business. then produce a product. then sell said product.

>>507276153
look at this guy trying to start an asswashing business without a permit, enjoy the fines!

>>507276157
There are 2 kinds of people: those who only see possibilities, and those who only see obstacles.

>>507276257
They are going to tell you to buy a house by selling bead bracelets on etsy

Ive talked about it a few times here and there but im almost done with my new board game business, I hired a german to make me all 10 3d models for 1000 total, I already did all the 2d art myself except for the cover art which is halfway done, rules are 99% done just need formatting and touch up, same with the character abilities and lore, i already sent in my trade mark approval application form, then paying for the board game and video game trade mark will run me either 500 or 1000 i forget, then advertising will be another few hundred, but i should have just enough to get it off the ground, already bought the domain name for a year for only 15 but i have to actually make the website and also host it and no idea how much that cost. Its alot of work but if this fails im fucking homeless and broke so this has to work

>>507276057
not in canada
you need the license, and there are many many regulations, then you can only use a licensed cart from a licensed manufacturer and those arent cheap. then you need a million dollars liability insurance. then there are limited spots in the city approved for a food cart and you have to bid on them and it gets expensive. its a huge investment and risk and even then only hotdogs, going beyond hotdogs is a whole other set of regulations. you need a lawyer to navigate it all. or do it anyways and just dont get caught which is how i assume most people do it

>>507276359
Alright then, what possibilities do you see in the situation I mentioned?

>>507276359
this

ITT are dipshits that couldn't run a thing. You could give them a business, and it would be in flames next day

>>507275563
you know whats a hassle? having to break down the 4'x4' CNC machine occupying my living room and move it to linn county

good on ya for inspiring others but these aint the ones even with chat gpt

>>507265861
>any IRS involvement?
No I was paying taxes. I just didn't have the stupid fucking license, which is basically just a one time $80 tax so Karens can have something to do and so they can feel important. Like I had a website, a company name, everything except the license. You just put "computer repair" into the tax form as dependent contractor income. The IRS doesn't give a fuck if you have a license from your state or not so long as they get their money. I wasn't collecting sales tax but my state doesn't tax services so it didn't matter.

>>507276359
There are two kinds of people: those who see things as they objectively are, and those who choose to pretend that reality doesn't actually exist.

>>507276359
lol. you really are a sad sack.

>>507276405
One thing about buying a house- you need to get a mortgage, and the bank needs to trust your income. If you start a business a bank won't believe you have a good income unless they see 3 years of audited accounts.
So if you hide your money under the mattress to avoid tax then you legally have no income - and can not get a mortgage.

>>507274005
Yeah know, I just feel they are plotting something... I dont know what it is, bust something fishy is going on.

>>507259591
It's a paradox, any business you can start for 1,000 is a dogshit business that can be replaced.

>>507258831 (OP)
>>start a business: $999

>>507274434
>and where i am the law never clearly defines what is considered a "craft" business.
Because they were just listing craft businesses as an example of the type of thing that doesn't necessarily need a license.
They basically just don't want you doing anything that annoys everyone else in the neighborhood because you are operating a full blown retail enterprise out of your home and constantly have customers coming in and out and/or potentially dangerous shit like making food to sell in your uninspected home kitchen.
If you can mass produce widgets without any of your neighbors realizing that you are running a widget making business in your home, you are fine.

>>507276359
There are two kinds of people: realist, and idealist

>>507276161
yes its all very illegal. i have read through the laws many times over the years. they dont care if youre not an actual retail or running a store. even if you have no customers coming and going its still illegal. i was going to buy computer parts and assemble and sell the computers on kijiji and even deliver the computers. its still illegal without light industrial zoning. i was going to manufacture various designs i made and use a cnc but now its not small craft probably and thus illegal without light industrial zoning.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD EVERYTHING IS ILLEGAL
the winning move is to just be ignorant of the law or just dont care

>>507276257
On the flipside, everyone has this expectation that operating a business must result in a middle class suburban lifestyle with loads of leisure time or else its a failure.
You can run a small business and maintain a humble living without being sucked into the eternal vortex of constantly improving living standards

>>507276887
i remember this one time some business paid me $100 to fix their networking issue and I solved it in 15min

it was a word of mouth referral without having any website

im pretty sure you can get paid to help people and to solve problems but that definitely requires a lot of capital and intellect

>>507276743
>>507276970
and the world rewards the idealist retards who pretend reality doesnt exist and punish the objective realists. moral of the story is just ignore the law and dont get caught, everyone else who started small and got big did that

>>507275252
>Gonna need some sauce on that statistic.
For the 46% that's the US Small Business Administration.
As for how many companies are just franchisees I have no specific data.
But it's a very common practice nonetheless.

Fact is unless you have an established connection of customers betting your livelihood on entrepreneurship is a bad idea.
You're competing with experienced people who have a lot more money than you.

If you have a hobby for blacksmithing and wanna sell your wares at the Renaissance fair that's all good, more power to you.
If that expands to you buying more machines and doing other shit, great.

But people need to stop acting like entrepreneurship is something anyone can just do anytime.
Most businesses fail.

>>507276613
lol. my little one has done a lot of moving lately too.
Hitting "go" is the easiest job never. I don't nget all the defeatism, with all these amazing ways to make and sell stuff

>>507276539
You could always get some tools and start making stuff, once you start things the universe has a way of guiding you toward the next step.
Noise could be an issue. There is a thing here called "the men's shed" where you can go and make stuff using other people's tools. Old guys like to go along and help young guys.

>>507277119
Yes, there is a large vague area in peoples brains that cant distinguish between operating a business and simple problem solving

>>507273739
Just throw up an ad on Craigslist with a burner phone and you're good to go. You don't need a fucking license. If you get caught who gives a shit? What are they going to do, throw you in prison?

>>507276991
>i have read through the laws many times over the years.
Yes, and completely misinterpreted or misunderstood everything you read. You THINK everything is illegal, and when you try to read the laws you interpret what it says based on that assumption.

>>507270716
Boomers love Facebook and it's easy to run ads there.

>>507276939
why didnt they just say that then. why am i forced to just make optimistic assumptions and hope it works out. maybe you`re right or maybe i end up in court while a female judge throws me in jail because she thinks a scroll saw is heavy industry

>>507276613
>owning a living room
>owning a $5000 (being generous) machine
You are so blind to the value of what you own.

>>507273896
I have a Patreon I don't link until the end, and subscribers get to see the next chapter (~150k words) early and some other perks I struggle to deliver.

>>507274060
Steam advertised "Vampire the Masquerade: Night Road" to me, which got me back into CYOA text based games. From there I found /vrpg/ threads about them and from there I found the forum for the company that made the game, found out they have an engine to make it easier, and thought "shit I've got time, I could try that." I downloaded their engine and got to work, and within 9 months had a 200k word demo to drop. Big demos are welcome because it's an unexpected large game to try for free, and people liked it well enough, so it took off.

>>507272225
Hey dipshit, you are running an industrial business illegally. You need a license for an industrial business as industrial needs to be insured and bonded even as a sole proprietorship. You also need to comply with safety regulations(osha) even as a sole proprietor, which means you need to be on file with them. You need to do it in an industrial zoned area even as a sole proprietor. You are breaking multiple laws. It’s only because none of the federal and state agencies talk to each other that the IRS has not blown your cover. Just because you have not gotten caught does not change anything.

>>507276727
sounds about right. they really do want people to start successful businesses, to tax.

>>507277631
Cool. Good luck.

>>507258831 (OP)
Complete, utter BULLSHIT.
I briefly considered opening a owner-operated cafe, just me, some furniture and basic equipment, about as small as you can possibly go.
Would have cost roughly 20.000$ in initial set-up, an ungodly amount of paperwork, and would most likely have paid below minimum wage after rent, all the taxes, lincenses and sepcial insurance. A complete pipedream.

Maybe it's better in the US, but I have my doubts.

>>507277501
>legality is just a state of mind man, just be optimistic and youre above the law
ok boomer

i dont "feel" its all illegal. i read the fucking laws and shits objectively illegal. attitude has nothing to do with it

>>507277787
Of course. You live in europe

>>507258831 (OP)
>Start a business: $999
Not too much, but nobody's able to start a business on that budget without a shit-ton of skills and dedicating a lot of time to developing it. It only costs a grand if you're only paying for some tools, and the fees to register it. Now, what is the magical business that can operate without funding? The only real answer is you've invented some app. Or you're just selling your services independently, which comes with even more taxes than working for someone else.
Not impossible, but this dude's acting like the system isn't deliberately built to prevent people from being able to do business without working for somebody else.

>>507259304
Also higher taxes.

>>507277641
exactly
thankyou
he is winning though and we are losing because we`re aware of and following the laws

>>507277411
my biggest defeatist mindset right now is getting started on cutting out a new bathroom vanity & kitchen cabinets to save about $10,000+ or whatever home depot wants for their garbage.

i can't keep procrastinating so i'll probably finally get the 3/4" prefinished plywood I need and get started this weekend

habitat had a good looking granite vanity top for $50 which included a sink, found a brand new delta faucet at another one for almost 90% off

>>507277418
>once you start things the universe has a way of guiding you toward the next step
Holy mother of boomerist confirmation bias. You think this is a fucking hollywood movie.

How would you feel if people applied that mindset to their maintenance of the complex systems you rely on (clean water, electricity, medical care, etc.)?

>>507278121
>habitat
love them. Did some volintold time there.

DONT TRY THAT SHIT IN CANADA THOUGH!
they will execute you for even looking at a hammer, I'm told.

>>507277787
Why does every dumbass think "starting a business" requires opening a retail establishment or starting the next Walmart? The VAST majority of small businesses do NOT have retail locations and have no employees.

>>507277616
which is why i work dilligently to not squander... i even had avocado toast and espresso today (I made them at home)

i also charge $80/hr for e-commerce websites and etc etc

i don't watch netflix or listen to spotify. i dont eat fast food or bring home soda

thanks for reading my blog post

>>507277482
looks like fines and penalties. Between 50 to 2000 per application.

>>507278446
you need to be a licensed and insured contractor if youre doing that as a business yes or youre breaking the law