I'm convinced Paul from the NT is the false apostle aka anti-christ Jesus warns about.

Let's start off with Paul hunting down Christians to have them killed for 1 and there's so many more red flags with paul I don't know where to start

Benjamin ravenous wolf prophecy in genesis. Paul is from the tribe of Benjamin

Paul has conflicting accounts on how he supposedly encountered jesus on the road to Damascus.

• Acts 9:7: “The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, for they heard the voice but could see no one.”

• Acts 22:9: “My companions saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who spoke to me.“

Admits to being a pharisee many times after his conversion. Jesus calls pharisees vipers and snakes.

After his encounter with "jesus" he was blinded went to the house of Juda, Ananias cures him and "scales" fall from his eyes.

Paul is related to the Herods who were responsible for beheading jesus cousin John the baptist.

Jesus said when he leaves don't believe anyone who says he seen him in the desert. Demascus whete paul claims to have an encounter with Christ is in the desert.

Only Paul calls himself an apostle and jesus has requirements to be his apostle

1 you had to know jesus and have walked with the other apostles and have known jesus til he was crucified. Paul never met christ before he was crucified.
Jesus never once talked about Paul coming after him in his ministry but did say anti-christs will come after him.

Jesus said to ONLY follow him and only call HIM teacher/rabbi and you have only one father in the book of matthew. None of his apostles ever say to follow them or called themselves teachers/rabbis or father. Paul on the other hand tells people to follow him and that he is their spiritual father in christ in the book of Corinthians

(1/2)

Wrong. Stupid thread.

And account that the long-suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:15 KJVAAE

>>507352227 (OP)
Paul admits to lying for Gods glory to gain followers. He even admits he's a jew to the Jews under the Torah as well as become like those not under torah that aren't Jewish.

Paul also says it's OK to eat foods sacrificed to other God's.

He constantly says he lies not in his gospels.

Full of pride and refuses to learn from jesus true apostles.

There's only 12 foundations with 12 apostles names. Paul would be #13 because Juda was replaced by Matthias. So Paul's name won't be on the 12 foundations.

Probably the most damning eveindence against paul is when he admits

2 Timothy 1:15 15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

Revelation 2:2 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Go to any Christian church and when it comes to jesus gospels and Paul's gospels they quote Paul a lot more than they do Jesus, especially in catholic churches.

A am convinced Paul IS the false apostle and ID the anti-christ jesus warned us about that would come after him and most Christians will follow.

Also just because Paul cast out demons in jesus name doesn't mean much when...

Matthew 7:22-23 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

Many Christians from different denominations believe they will enter heaven when it's not that easy.

Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

(2/2)

>>507352407
Show flag, kike.

If what you're saying is true, you're asserting that God, the Almighty, sent out a Prophet in Jesus Christ, KNOWING that His Word would get corrupted and the majority of people would follow it with absolutely no reason to believe any of it to be untrustworthy?
Especially considering that the vast majority of people couldn't read or write until very recently, and had no direct access to the Bible, how is this in any way the dealings of a fair and just God?
It seems more obvious to me that God is responsible for the historically most successful Church in history, which pretty much everyone agrees has the best claim to being established by Christ Himself, namely the Roman Catholic Church. Even the Eastern Orthodox agree that Saint Peter is the Primus Inter Pares (First among equals)

>>507352227 (OP)
Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dummy

>pic related

>>507353510
>Carrier fans calling someone a dummy
fucking KEK. Crawl back to your "peer reviewed" web blog and seethe nigger

>>507352227 (OP)
Isn't his name Saul? Was just reading part of Acts last night.

>>507354027
Saul is his birth name.

>>507352227 (OP)
The cults always attack Paul's writings.

>>507355624
Because he was one of the Anti-christs.

>>507353510
This. At the bottom of the rabbithole you realize that it's all Paul, which makes ideas like OP's hilarious. Either the messiah never arrived, or if the messiah did arrive, it was Paul. The New Testament secretly consists almost entirely of letters written by Paul, stories written in support of Paul, stories written to demonize Paul, letters written in opposition Paul, stories and letters written by liars trying to co-opt Paul for their own side, false interpolations of Paul's letters to make him seem incoherent or to support whatever the interpolator wanted instead of what Paul actually supported, forgeries made in Paul's name...

Mark 12:10-11
"Have you not read this scripture: ‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord’s doing, and it is amazing in our eyes’?"

>>507356734
>how do you do, fellow Christians?

>>507352227 (OP)
sometimes Paul was crazy he seems ok with a few things but he was a martyr but they never talk about the other Apostles like Saint Andrew who was awesome

>>507352227 (OP)
the Jews hated John the Baptist peace be upon him they literally killed his father that is why John the Baptist peace be upon him was hiding there in the woods because the Jews were trying to kill him

>>507352227 (OP)
Christianity would be a lot more fun if you niggers would accept apocryphal books in the canon and realize a bunch of kikes cherry picked a dull narrative to have you all sucking on your thumbs like retards.

>>507357504
One shocking consequence of this is that, in some sense, we can say that we have the genuine writings of Jesus Christ himself, albeit in a very sorry and mutilated state

>>507352506
>There's only 12 foundations with 12 apostles names
Smoking gun, teebeeaich

>>507358883
What's a teebeeaich?

>>507352227 (OP)
>God completes his plan that took thousands of years
>"It is finished"
>Saul comes along and completely subverts it
>God: "cant really do anything about that, ya got me"
>Continue to perform miracles for apostles
Really?

>>507352227 (OP)
Interesting theory. Claims he saw Jesus, when pressed for details he says he only "saw a light and heard a voice" then went blind. Very Muhammad/Joseph Smith experience. Teaches the importance of faith over works, directly contradicting Christ's teachings of caring for the poor. And Jesus' own brother James who emphasised the need to actually *do* good deeds.

>>507352227 (OP)
You are correct.
Simon Magus is also gematrically linked to Saul of Tarsus, "Paul"'s real name.

>>507357731
>peace be upon him they
he's not dead he was translated

proof: he ordained aaronic priesthood to joseph smith and oliver cowdery in 1829

>>507352227 (OP)
>The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.
>ἀκούοντες μὲν τῆς φωνῆς, μηδένα δὲ θεωροῦντες

>Those who were with me saw the light, but did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking to me.
>τὸ μὲν φῶς ἐθεάσαντο, τὴν δὲ φωνὴν οὐκ ἤκουσαν τοῦ λαλοῦντός μοι

Greek distinguishes between ἀκούειν + genitive and ἀκούειν + accusative, Acts 9:7 uses the genitive ("hearing the voice" = they heard a sound) and Acts 22:9 uses the accusative ("did not hear the voice" = they did not comprehend the words). Paul’s companions witnessed the event but did not receive its full revelation

>>507360364
Wasn't John decapitated?

>>507352227 (OP)
Peter and the other apostles disagree with you.

>>507360165
Yeah, Simon Magus is Paul too, same as Jesus.

Mark 3:22-26
And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, “He has Beelzebul, and by the ruler of the demons he casts out demons.” And he called them to him and spoke to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but his end has come."

>>507352227 (OP)
>>507352506
>>507352599
>(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

>(Hebrews 4:12) For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.

Acts was written by Luke. One of the writers of the Gospel. It's not possible for Luke to have been tricked. God inspired him to write these events.

>Acts 9:27,28 So Barna·bas came to his aid and led him to the apostles, and he told them in detail how on the road he had seen the Lord and that he had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had spoken boldly in the name of Jesus. 28And he continued with them, walking in and out at Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord;

What gigantic mistake you make is that when Holy Spirit was poured out to the Apostles at Pentacost it allowed the Apostles to see liars. They had divine lie detectors installed in them. We know this because of Acts 5:1-11 where Peter used holy spirit not only to detect Ananias and Saphira of being liars BUT also what the lie was about. It wasn't possible for Paul to be a plant because the Jews hated him, tried to kill him, and the Apostles would have immediately detected Paul's deceit.

I am convinced that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worship the Demiurge.

With Jews being the closest to the VIP suite.

>>507362964
gnosticism is a 50 iq heresy

>>507352227 (OP)
Jewsus was a jewish conman, cult leader and not god

>>507352227 (OP)
>715 KB
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> I'm convinced Paul from the NT is the false apostle
Then why don't you call him by his real name, Saul?

>>507363193
Gnosticism was the 120+ IQ reserved seating section of Christianity until the tard rebellion.

dumb faggot

>>507363889
no, it has absolutely zero basis in the scripture. its a made up deception which we are warned against.

>>507364076
you worship a jewish conman

>>507364184
you worship nothing at all

>>507364332
worship is for slaves

>>507363193
It's pretty simple to see that this world is made by an evil being. You do need a lot of IQ perhaps to come up with the mental gymnastics that Christian apologetics come up with.

"Uhhhh GOD just HAD to have BABY Cancer to uhhh teach a lesson!"

that's pretty stupid

>>507352227 (OP)
A whole lot of assumptions and confusion in your head, I won't even begin to try and unravel all that nonsense.

If you don't believe that God is sovereign and that He has all authority in heaven and earth, and that He gives us His preserved written word, the truth, in full, then you are not really a Christian. You will argue in your confusion with other confused people all your life without ever knowing the truth.

>>507364076
It doesn't need to have basis in scripture. I reject scripture.

>>507364332
We shouldn't be worshipping anyone or anything.

>>507364076
retroactively warned against by what are commonly accepted to be later forgeries

1 Timothy 6:20
"Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith."

>>507363278
Some early cults consider him just a prophet, Islam does that shit too, Jesus was mostly a Jewish revolutionary with his own version of the Judaism based on some ancient prophecies.

>>507352227 (OP)
>After his encounter with "jesus" he was blinded went to the house of Juda, Ananias cures him and "scales" fall from his eyes.
He poked a little shit in his eye and gave himself a major case of conjunctivitis. The inflammation probably made it difficult to open his eyes, then later stripped a layer of skin off of his eyelids after an herbal anti-inflammatory was used, like Willow leaves. Faking injury and illness is as old as mankind itself., My 7-year-old is a master at it.

>>507361014
The Book of Peter wasn't written by him

>>507361538
>Simon Magus
They called him the Grand Magus? We have one of those, too. Weird, right?

>>507352506
Paul said the same things over and over again to all the different churches he wrote to. Many of his suggestions are ignored by Christians. Jesus said the same things 4 different times tops. Jesus' disciples also wrote letters mostly saying the same things on topics Jesus didn't cover but they weren't as elegantly written. Paul was just a better speaker and miraculously went from persecutor to church father. He gets a pass even if he is a little shady.

>>507364752
>I reject scripture.
You can't claim to anything about your gods that wasn't totally fabricated in the holy books.

>>507362863
Jesus literally specifically warned his apostles that false apostles would come after his death and they would fool even his elect (Matthew 24:24)

>>507352227 (OP)
Saul also directly contradicts Jesus, even on major theological doctrine-

On absolute depravity-
>'There is none righteous no, not one.'(Saul the Defiler, Romans 3:10)
>"That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar." (Jesus Christ our Lord, Matthew 23:35)

On whom the Lord will save-
>"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Saul the Defiler, Romans 10:13)
>"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." (Jesus Christ our Lord, Matthew 7:21)

On the Law of the Torah-
>'For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.' (Saul the Defiler, Romans 10:4)
>"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished." (Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior, Matthew 5:17-18)

In total I believe Saul directly contradicts Jesus 25 times, and he falsely attributes a quote from a popular Greek play to Jesus once

Obvious false apostle

>>507353510
>Richard Carrier
anon I... even an atheist like Thunderfoot think he's a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMvj1eLdYqI

>>507360441
/thread

OP is a well poisoner

>>507364752
Everyone worships something. gods, wealth, pussy, etc.

>>507365022
>just a prophet
Islam came 600 years after Jesus

>>507352227 (OP)
>He believes in ramblings with no proof because he wants to believe he can exist forever

It's funny how people keep up the deception despite >>507358883 they reeeeeeaaaaallly want to think that you van just "admit Jesus died for your sins" and you'll go to heaven. Isn't that what this is all about? People latch on to Paul because he makes getting into heaven expz

It's clear as day that he's not an Apostle.

It's funny how people keep up the deception despite >>507358883 they reeeeeeaaaaallly want to think that you can just "admit Jesus died for your sins" and you'll go to heaven. Isn't that what this is all about? People latch on to Paul because he makes getting into heaven ezpz

It's clear as day that he's not an Apostle.

>>507365612
This makes sense when you realize that much of Matthew was written (invented whole-cloth) specifically to contradict Paul. Mark's Jesus doesn't say these things. And Mark is the earlier gospel which Matthew used as a narrative skeleton.

Paul met Peter in Rome. Said he is okay. Yes, OP is an idiot

>There's only 12 foundations with 12 apostles names

This is a hard line in the sand. Use whatever argument you want. Cope however you wish. Paul will never be an Apostle. Forever and ever

>>507366319
>People latch on to Paul because he makes getting into heaven expz
Yes. Jesus actually had requirements for salvation
>"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." (Jesus Christ our Lord, Matthew 7:21)

But Paul directly contradicts Jesus and says that anyone can get in if they call on Jesus
>"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Saul the Defiler, Romans 10:13)

Christ further elaborated on all this such as in his parable of the sheep and goats. The sheep went to heaven because of their righteous ACTIONS and the goats went to hell because of their actions. In this parable directly from the mouth of Christ, action alone and not faith resulted in salvation

The followers of Saul will cover their eyes and pretend to not notice this post

>>507365612
>Jesus literally specifically warned his apostles that false apostles would come after his death and they would fool even his elect (Matthew 24:24)

That was a prophecy of THE LAST DAYS. The days near the end of the world.

>Matthew 24:3While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

You keep ignoring...

>(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness

It's not possible that God preserved his word up to the age of the Apostles and all of a sudden he couldn't protect his own word from infiltrators in Acts.

You also keep ignoring Acts 5:1-11 where the Apostles have the ability to not only detect lies but even what the lie is about. Again, your entire narrative falls apart with these verses.

>noooo Paul actually makes super sense
>He's a totally good guy
>look you're just misunderstanding his words

Think whatever you wish! Paul will never be an Apostle.

>>507366881
It's blindingly obvious if you look at these fake Christians running around and you investigate what it is they believe.

Surprise! It's Paul!

>>507364454
>>507364752
>I can be my own God
absolute retardation, but ultimately your decision

>you know a tree by its fruit

You can clearly tell the difference between Paulianity and people following Christ. The standards, the righteousness. Paulianity lacks this.

>>507352227 (OP)
Come on brother. Of course you’re correct and blindfags won’t see. Idk about the truth of Jesus put the truth of Paul is plain to see for any objective reader. He jacked Christianity from James and turned it into a tool to disrupt and romanize the people judea, because the Jews.

ITT OP and other "christians" reveal their deep-seated affinity for Judaism by rejecting the person who said you don't need to mutilate your penis or obey strange dietary rules and holy day observations to be Christian.

>>507364581
>"Uhhhh GOD just HAD to have BABY Cancer to uhhh teach a lesson!"
absolute 0 iq argument
sin entered the world through man
if man didnt desire to play God the entire time we wouldnt have that problem. man is the problem here, not God. who puts everything full of chemicals and wraps his food into plastics? its not God doing it.
yet Christ solved that problem by divine healing which man again rejects.

>>507365612
>>'For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.' (Saul the Defiler, Romans 10:4)
>>"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished." (Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior, Matthew 5:17-18)

This is proven wrong here:

>(Luke 22:20) Also, the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in YOUR behalf.

>(Matthew 26:28) for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

This is Jesus talking about a NEW COVENANT. A covenant that would be established after the old one is abolished.

Pic related is all the covenants of the Bible. Some have an expiration date. The Mosaic Law was done away with by Jesus himself.

>>507367751
>muh sin
Yep, another nutjob

which thread are we slidin, rabbi?

>>507367858
we are all sinners by nature. there is no argument against that.

>>507365800
>Islam came 600 years after Jesus
that belief came from some early Christians cults too, declared heretics by the Chruch, Arianism, Ebionism, Adoptionism ...

>>507366893
>That was a prophecy of THE LAST DAYS. The days near the end of the world
It's ironic hearing this from a Jehovah's witness, an organization that has failed to predict the end of the world for more than 100 years now. Saul too thought the world was ending soon and said so many times-

>“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…” (Hebrews 1:1-2)

>“Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.” (1 Corinthians 10:11)

>“And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:24-25)

>“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)

Now there's four quotes from Saul about the world ending. He even specifically tells people to not get married because the world is ending. Now was Saul wrong or what crazy mental gymnastics will you perform to justify his obvious bullshit?

>>507368008
Nice projection

>>507367668
legalism is a tool by satan
to be christian is to have the commandments written on your hearth keeping them from your own nature and not having to work to keep them.

>>507367815
>Jesus was wrong, look at these verses
Ridiculous. Christ clearly said that the Law will last until heaven and earth pass away

I agree , Paul preaches an antinomian “grace through faith” gospel . Jesus very clearly teaches you must not only be a hearer of the word but a doer. Many passages about how you must keep his commands if you love him etc. dispensationalists actually agree but say that we should ignore Jesus (lol) as he was talking to “tribulation saints” aka people who will miss the rapture and be stuck doing works for salvation (which is retarded, why would he spend so much time and effort addressing those people). The obvious reading is that Jesus was talking to the church and that we are saved by obedience , not by a formulaic “I believed once now I can do anything I want” a la Paul.

>>507368167
so you never did anyone including yourself wrong your entire life? from childhood until now?
deluded

>>507367751
>>507364581
I’m with absolute zero on this one. Of this hocus-pocus is true, God is the creator of evil. It is only logical and it is written in the book that he said it himself. Satan wrote the bible. Jesus is the scapegoat protecting humanity. It is a similar story in the garden of Eden or with Prometheus.

>>507352227 (OP)

You're gay.

>>507368416
do you know the single commandment God gave Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden?

>>507352227 (OP)
>Arab giving us the same Dawah
We know you're Muslim, retard

>>507368416
Promethis equivalent in scripture is the watchers giving man blacksmithing.

Titans=Nephilim

>>507368163
>what crazy mental gymnastics will you perform to justify his obvious bullshit?
Probably the same mental gymnastics people use to justify Jesus saying similar things.

Matthew 16:27-28
"For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

>>507368377
Okay I was jumping the gun a bit
To get down to details. Sin isn't something humans just invented because they're so fucking rotten. Btw if humans were so fucking rotten that would be G-d's fault since G-d created humans.
Anyway, the point is, we make mistakes (call them sins if you want) because we are immature.
But G-d desires all to be saved and all to grow spiritually.
Your mistakes (sins) don't have eternal consequences. G-d gives you chances again and again to improve. That's why reincarnation (gilgul neshamot) also exists.
That said G-d also respects free will maximally so some will possibly reject His love and help indefinitely and suffer in self imposed exile (what some would call hell) for eternity.

I wonder if in a 1000 years when there are spaceships going to and from mars and earth people will still believe in Jesus.

>>507355624
That’s because Paul was a heretic whose teachings directly contradict what Jesus said in the Gospels.
And according to the Gospels Jesus already had a corps of apostles he personally selected, who traveled and preached with him, who witnessed his miracles first hand. Paul did none of those things. So with all these other apostles, why did God suddenly need to directly convert Paul? The other apostles he’d personally selected earlier weren’t good enough? His knowledge of Jesus, his teachings and miracles, seems sketchy at best. He barely mentions those things in his letters. And the apostles in Jerusalem didn’t seem to care for him much.
Paul was a Roman agent whose goal was to convert Jews to a watered down version of Judaism that wasn’t as disruptive to the Empire. It got rid of the Messianism that had been causing turmoil in Judea for decades by putting hope into the afterlife instead of a Jewish kingdom on Earth.

>>507368163
1 Corinthians 7:36-36But if anyone thinks he is behaving improperly by remaining unmarried, and if he is past the bloom of youth, then this is what should take place: Let him do what he wants; he does not sin. Let them marry.

You on purposely didn't quote THE NEXT VERSES in 1 Corinthians 7 because it would prove your narrative wrong didn't you? You are obviously making up these narratives or are just copying pasting them from a false source and are too stupid to verify them yourself.

>>507369019
>reincarnation
>G-d
youre a jew

>>507357504
>>507361538
No historian believes this bullshit whatsoever. Both Jesus and Paul were historical figures. Athiest libshits posing as right wing like you can continue to melt down over it forever. It's not changing due to academic concensus.

>>507352227 (OP)
>>507352599
>I believe jew A is wrong about jew B
>and youre a jew if you dont worship a jew!
>NOOOOO WHITE PEOPLE COME FROM THE DESERT, WE ARE DA REEEL JEWS

>>507369102
Hey goofy, you're not allowed to be exposed to other religions, go back to your echo chamber

>>507355415
>Saul is his birth name.
So the answer is "yes", Turkroach

>>507369076
Furthermore, he got rid of things like the dietary restrictions and circumcision which pushed the Jews to always set themselves apart from everyone else, so they would assimilate better.

>>507369225
>no argument

>>507369564
so long as you reject your own God and Messiah there is no point conversing with a jew. youre on the side of satan by default.

>>507366947
Peter thought he was one. Stay mad.

>>507369692
>>>507369692
youre a jew if you dont worship a jew!
>NOOOOO WHITE PEOPLE COME FROM THE DESERT, WE ARE DA REEEL JEWS

>>507369692
That's true. That's how I feel about Paul as well. Since Revelation explicitly states there are 12 apostles, it's not even worth reading Paul's arguments.

>>507369692
I don't reject Yeshuah

>>507369102
>You on purposely didn't quote THE NEXT VERSES in 1 Corinthians 7 because it would prove your narrative wrong didn't you?
You mean Saul's narrative? I directly quoted him. Yes, Saul encourages Christians to be celibate many times and then allows marriage if one is too weak for celibacy, but that wasn't the purpose nor question I asked you about

Again, how do you justify Saul's FALSE PREDICTIONS ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD -> >>507368163 ???

>>507368924
>We know you're Muslim, retard
He's been at this for years on /his/ and thinks retarded shit like Paul killing James.

>>507369450

And in turn, no one actually believes a mythical figure came down, died and then rose again. You compartmentalized it in your head under the category of faith. Take away the fear and you realize how silly it all is.

>>507369450
>Both Jesus and Paul were historical figures
Paul is more likely historical, although it’s commonly admitted now that many of the letters attributed to him were written by others.
Jesus, on the other hand, is probably an amalgamation of a number of Jewish messianic figures who infested the region during that period, combined with later additions by storytellers to make the stories more fantastic like the virgin birth, etc. which are not present at all in earlier texts.

>>507362964
This. Zoroastrianism is unironically the religion of truth and the only reason it's not in the top spot is mudslimes doing everything they can to suppress it to this day

>>507369076
>So with all these other apostles, why did God suddenly need to directly convert Paul?
He needed 12 apostles, Judas doesn't count retard. I know there is Mathias, but he doesn't seem to have had much impact.

>>507352227 (OP)
Could be!

>https://glanier.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/no-saul-the-persecutor-did-not-become-paul-the-apostle/

>>507369891
then why do you pilpul around the fact of sin in humans making him a liar?
why do you reject that only God can transform you and want to "grow spiritually" on your own.
do you remember your own texts and why you were exiled to babylon by God?
spiritual adultery, you whored out to other gods. you still do the same today which blows my fucking mind. you are the same as over 2000 years ago.

>>507370121
>Jesus, on the other hand, is probably an amalgamation of a number of Jewish messianic figures who infested the region during that period, combined with later additions by storytellers to make the stories more fantastic like the virgin birth, etc. which are not present at all in earlier texts.
Consensus among historians is that Jesus was a distinct figure in history and stand by things like his baptism and crucifixion. Like I said, you're a mad atheist trying to obscure what the scholarship actually says. You plebbit types never learn, and people are wise to it now.

>>507369887
nobody cares how you feel about things. Pauls writings are 100% Holy Spirit guided. Romans alone is a masterpiece.

>>507369450
I suspect that the academic consensus in this case is corrupted somewhat by whatever is the academic equivalent of regulatory capture. I can't find good stats offhand, but I wouldn't be surprised if a huge percentage of people who study these things are Christians or former Christians. But in time I believe the view will eventually become more respectable. Science progresses one funeral at a time, after all.

>>507352227 (OP)
>I'm convinced (INSERT PSYCHOBABBLE)
You're a retard, wake up you retarded inbred cattle lmao you don't know anything about this world

Also James doesn't even say Paul was wrong. He said good deeds naturally comes from faith. People in this thread are either atheists talking shit or literal Arab retards trying to reconcile their non-biblical extremism with Christianity after the fact.

>>507370464
Not an Apostle, though...

>>507370163
Omniscient god knew he needed 12 apostles and threw out Judas. Why didn’t he just start of with 13 witnesses to Jesus, then? Why did he have to scrape up Paul later? Paul, who is sketchy as fuck, directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, and never witnessed any of the miracles or teachings of Jesus directly - when so many others supposedly had and had converted.
Paul was a Roman glowie.

>>507370474
>I suspect that the academic consensus in this case is corrupted
Yeah, you faggots only like academia when it says things you like. 100 percent you use scholarship to attack right wingers over other things, because you're a double talking pos over-flowing with cognitive dissonance.

>>507370292
>pilpul around the fact of sin in humans making him a liar?
How does what I said contradict anything Yeshuah said?
>why do you reject that only God can transform you and want to "grow spiritually" on your own.
G-d gives you every help and opportunity to grow. If He just magically transformed you into an advanced sinless being then free will and human existence would be pointless.
>do you remember your own texts and why you were exiled to babylon by God?
I already told you that humans make a lot of mistakes because we are very immature. That's why we are here, to get better and do better. Also to make the world a better place for all creation, humans, animals, all. Tikkun olam.

>>507370619
an apostle is someone who is sent out.
Paul was sent out by the Holy Spirit. you dont decide who is and is not an apostle. God does.

>>507370390
Consensus among historians is every bit as valuable as consensus among climate scientists.

>>507370770
You are direction-brained, sir.

>>507370619
you don't understand the difference between disciple and apostle then

>>507370803
God depicted every Apostle with accuracy in Revelation. There are 12. Paul is not one of them.

Paul is the reason Christians are obsessed with hating homosexuals and pagans even though Jesus said to love everyone even your enemies.
He is a piece of fucking SHIT!

>>507370712
>Paul, who is sketchy as fuck
You obviously don't believe in salvation and the fact all men are sinners. This is why I know you aren't a Christian. You don't believe in redemption.

>>507370888
you are talking about this?
>12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed

They went to Jew school together.

>>507370875
>majority academic consensus that is settled for decades says Jesus couldn't have been made up whole-cloth
>DURR ITS' WRONG BECUASE REASONS I CAN'T LIST THEM DEFINITIVELY OR AT ALL BUT IT HAS TO BE WRONG BECUASE JESUS MAKE ME MAD BECAUSE PARENTS MAKE ME MAD, AND THINGS THAT MAKE ME MAD CAN'T REAL, HOW IS BABBY FORMED?
go back to plebbit

>>507370888
>God depicted every Apostle with accuracy in Revelation. There are 12. Paul is not one of them.
Judas isn't on the gates of heaven, you tard, then who is the 12th apostle? there's generally only two options, and it's not Judas

>>507362863
Funny how you confirm Paul, when he wrote something that pretty much goes against Jehovah Witness anti-Trinitarian belief:
Philippians 2:5-8
>Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Wasn't Jesus already supposed to return by now or something based on prophecy?

>>507365522
God is shown multiple times to prefer flawed servants.
Many of the prophets from the OT are described to have done questionable things before coming into the service of god.

>>507371550
yes, we know you the Arab tard who trad-argues with JW Anon on /his/ for years, it was already obvious, it's hilarious even a JW can destroy your arguments, because they're built on theological sand

>>507371755
I don't even know what you're talking about, you well poisoning schizo. I want to hear his rebuttal, and I'm not even taking the position of writing off Paul completely.

>>507352227 (OP)
sandpeople (muslims) are children of cain
they are cursed by god
and pray to allah

>tfw faith was completely destroyed last week when I did research into the Early Church, Constantine, and how he blended paganism into what is now the Roman Catholic church, things everyone believes that weren't in the original manuscripts at all
>tfw Jesus probably wasn't even crucified on a Latin Cross (lowercase t), probably a Tau (uppercase T)
Is this me now?

>>507371887
>and I'm not even taking the position of writing off Paul completely.
what's your denomination then, you fucking apostate? looking forward to hearing that one,

>>507372130
>Which brand of flavor of heresy do you like?
None, how does that sound.

>>507372059
The church existed before Catholicism, read more. Good grief. Congratulations at figuring out what protestants and Orthodox did hundreds of years ago. The shape of the symbol of the cross isn't important. Before it was a cross, it was a fish.

>>507371057
The Jewish-Christian mafia corrupted Paul's letters to bring him back in line with Judaism even though it makes him seem like a schizo who contradicts himself. It isn't a coincidence that the first person known to have gathered up a collection of Paul's letters (Marcion) is also the first person to shout "Interpolated!"

Also regarding the most overt anti-homosexuality passage, the one right at the beginning of Romans, I'm persuaded that there's a decent chance it actually began as a criticism of Paul and his followers, accusing them of being lawless degenerates.
https://ogdoas.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/on-the-wrath-of-god-romans-118-32/

That's why before Paul says he isn't ashamed of his gospel, and after it he talks about "whoever you are" being a hypocrite, and a little bit further into the letter he says "Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”?

OG Paul is the one who said that loving your neighbour fulfills the fulfill the whole of the law and that everything is permitted, but whether it's beneficial is what matters. The one who said people shouldn't have to cut their dicks and that the one true God is the God of Jews and Gentiles alike. The one who said

"But even Titus, who was with me, was not compelled to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. But because of false brothers and sisters secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might enslave us— we did not submit to them even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might always remain with you." Galatians 2:3-5

He wasn't misogynistic and he didn't have a hard-on for slavery or obeying authorities either. All of the hierarchy-fetishism was interpolated into his writings by the Jewish Christians to correct for his perceived lawlessness and persuade the descendants of his followers that they should be good goyim.

>>507352506
>especially in catholic churches.
you lying fuck we have Gospel reading at every Mass.

>>507372358
>None, how does that sound.
No shit, a petty disingenuous internet troll doesn't have faith or actual religion. Shocking.

>>507368340
>Christ clearly said that the Law will last until heaven and earth pass away

This is a misunderstanding. This only means how stable and trustworthy the Mosaic Law is. But it was meant to be replaced. Here's the first verse in the Bible indicating that.

Daniel 9:27-27“And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

>HE WILL CAUSE SACRIFICE AND GIFT OFFERING TO CEASE.

This is talking about the Mosaic Law. Jesus caused the law to cease when he became a sacrifice and gift offering himself and caused all sins to be forgiven through him.

>(Hebrews 9:15) So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.

The Mosaic Law was meant to be abolished centuries ago. The first time this was mentioned was in Daniel. The second time it was mentioned was in Jeremiah.


>(Jeremiah 31:31) “Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant;

>(Jeremiah 32:40) And I will conclude with them an indefinitely lasting covenant, that I shall not turn back from behind them, for me to do them good; and the fear of me I shall put in their heart in order not to turn aside from me.

Paul is in agreement with Daniel, Jeremiah and Jesus that the Mosaic Law would cease.

>>507371057
>you HAVE to love your fellow demon worshiper otherwise youre not christian
stop worshiping demons first

>>507372503
>I'm a homo mad at Paul's letters over homo stuff
okay

>>507372612
You need to belong to a denomination in order to have faith in Christ? The original church has long been corrupted, so the only choices that remain is to have faith through other means (until such a time when an untainted church body can make its return, which it probably will)

>>507352227 (OP)
>>507352506
What's that Paul preaches vs other apostles? And what implications does Paul being a false prophet have?

If I remember correctly he had disputes with other apostles like Peter, but I'm not sure.

>>507352227 (OP)
explain this masochism to me first.

this is really some serious stuff here.
Just how wrong you can go in a single session of preaching?
This has many layers of masochism to it than an onion has.
i can get it about cutting your own stuff out is analogy.
I can get it that inevitability of time hair colors etc.
but being casted in hell as a whole? Really? is it that worthless of us?

I understand the analogy of cutting your own stuff out.
I understand the inevitability of time, hair color, etc.
, but being cast into hell altogether? Is it really that bad?

Jesus literally asks you to leave women unhelped, but holding yourself back is right. However, not caring about women who got divorced is wrong.

Is the beautiful, beloved Earth really just a footstool for God?

Didn't anyone realize how pejorative and destructive this is?

Not to mention the famous turning the other cheek and loving the evil doer. Yes, it might be about "not breaking one's goodness" and such, but isn't this literally approving and encouraging evil people to commit future crimes against others through inaction? What happens to caring about each other then?


And this is only six chapters in! I didn't know it would be this strange, and no one is mentioning these things. I could only imagine Jesus being quite weary while preaching.

Is it really true that Semitic religions are anti-humanity?

>>507372842
I'm not a homo. I'm 100% straight. I'm simply mad that Paul, the best apostle of them all and the original Gnostic, was dragged through the mud so thoroughly by his lying opponents who wanted to coopt him to express their own stupid views.

>>507373020
>If I remember correctly he had disputes with other apostles like Peter
he called Peter out as a hypocrite once because Peter would stop eating with gentiles when the circumcised believers showed up.
its in Galatians 2

>>507369018
This was fulfilled through the transfiguration of Jesus in the mountain when he took some of the disciples with him.

>(Matthew 16:28) Truly I say to YOU that there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

6 days later...

>(Matthew 17:1, 2) Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John his brother along and brought them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. 2And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light.

Both Mark and Luke also linked Jesus’ comment about the Kingdom with the account of the transfiguration. (Mark 9:1-8; Luke 9:27-36) Jesus’ coming in Kingdom power was demonstrated in his transfiguration, his appearing in glory in the presence of the three apostles.

Peter verifies this understanding by speaking of “the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ” with regard to his witnessing Jesus’ transfiguration.

>(2 Peter 1:16-18) No, it was not by following artfully contrived false stories that we acquainted YOU with the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, but it was by having become eyewitnesses of his magnificence. 17For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.” 18Yes, these words we heard borne from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain.

It was fulfilled in the mountain through the transfiguration

>>507372906
you're an autistic heretic rejecting scripture because the New Covenant makes you mad, so yes you have serious problems and are not practicing Christianity

>>507373163
>I'm not a homo. I'm 100% straight. I'm simply mad that Paul, the best apostle of them all and the original Gnostic,
Paul isn't gnostic. And gnosticism is complete garbage. Imagine bieng so slow witted you were won over by disingenuous shitposters on /x/ mad at their parents over gnosticism instead of using common sense.

>>507373031
>Is it really true that Semitic religions are anti-humanity?
when you realize that we by our own nature are in rebellion with satan against God, yes.
thats the whole point. realizing you are wicked and a sinner against God, repenting and turning back to God, and being given a new Spirit that is from God.

>>507362863
>It's not possible for Luke to have been tricked. God inspired him to write these events.
what the hell is this supposed to mean

>>507373319
And what does that mean?

Also what was Paul preaching that, if being a false prophet, would be false?

>>507371550
How does this verse go against our anti-Trinirarian position? This verse actually reinforces our anti-Trinitarian position. It proves Jesus wouldn't consider equality with God.

>>507373751
Luke is divinely inspired. It's not hard to understand.

>>507371057
1)Jesus recognized fornication as any sex or sexual desire outside of marriage.

>(Matthew 5:32) However, I say to YOU that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

>(Matthew 5:27, 28) “YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’ 28But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

2)Jesus recognized and acknowledged the original system of sex.

>(Mark 10:6) However, from [the] beginning of creation ‘He made them male and female.

>(Matthew 19:4) In reply he said: “Did YOU not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female

3)Jesus recognized and acknowledged Sodom and Gamorrah as a HISTORICAL EVENT where his father destroyed those cities for homosexuality. Jesus was there the whole time next to his father when this happened. In fact, it is implied he was one of the angels who brought down sulphur and fire to the cities on behalf of God.

>(Matthew 10:15) Truly I say to YOU, It will be more endurable for the land of Sodom and Go·morrah on Judgment Day than for that city.

It's pretty obvious Jesus did indirectly condemn homosexuality.

>>507352227 (OP)
If so then Jesus's ministry was exclusively for Israelites, and non-Israelites have no part in his Kingdom.

Even with Paul some argue his ministry was not for non-Israelite gentiles, but Israelites scattered - the diaspora, so even then non-Israeelites have no part of the Kingdom.

Since non-Israelites are not part of the Kingdom, and they are not nor have ever been under the law, they have no need for redemption. So either way, unless you can trace your ancestry to one of the twelve tribes of Israel, Matthew 7:22 refers to you.

>>507373784
Peter was caring about his image before others. his ego came through and Paul corrected him.

>Also what was Paul preaching that, if being a false prophet, would be false?
nothing

>>507352227 (OP)
Paul wrote most of the new testament. You're basically not a Christian if you don't believe the new testament is God's word.

>>507373669
It's sad to see the goycattle still defending their precious psy-op so many centuries later.

2 Corinthians 3:14-18
"Indeed, to this very day, when they hear the reading of the old covenant, the same veil is still there; it is not unveiled since in Christ it is set aside. Indeed, to this very day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their minds, but when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And all of us, with unveiled faces, seeing the glory of the Lord as though reflected in a mirror, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, for this comes from the Lord, the Spirit."

>>507373828
No, he said it was a thing that couldn't be grasped in layman terms as we grasp it. It says he "emptied himself" with the previous line saying "in the form of god". Why would he need to "empty himself" if he wasn't God in the first place? It's talking about God emptying himself in the likeness of man.

>>507374149
He's some autistic Arab that is LARPing that Matthew is the only correct NT scripture because pretending he lives in 50 AD makes him feel cool.

I unironically worship the chaos gods from 40k , since I started worshiping them my life has become way better

>>507373704
Oh yes, we're sided with satan now! Ok then lets let evil keep doing evil forever and love them for that!

>>507373751
what the hell is this supposed to mean

>(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

Luke was the literal writer but the words penned originated from God, not Luke's mind. That's why it's impossible to say Paul infiltrated the Bible because everything in the Bible is actually God's thoughts. It's why the Bible is called The Word of God" because the ideas, events and commandments originated from God himself.

>>507374188
all you gnostic tards are the same, I wouldn't be surprised if you post constantly in /x/ and Kiwi Farms, you'll never not be a LARPer

>>507374427
>Oh yes, we're sided with satan now!
we always were. every human is from birth on. all our righteousness is like filthy rags.
you cant do no good until born again, and even then it is God that does good through you and not you yourself.

>>507373972
he says any woman, not wife.

>>507374306
>Why would he need to "empty himself" if he wasn't God in the first place?

Lol! Because he was an angel before he came to earth. Angels are small gods. He emptied himself of his angelic powers.

>>507374620
>>507374427
Human nature is inherently evil and selfish, stop pretending it's a anything more then that

>>507374620
I thought we were the gods image and part in spirit and only our bodies were bound to us by satan, and we're drivers of it. therefore what drives our actions are not our bodies. you imply that god is satan.

>>507357504
>that it's all Paul,
why do jew insist so much in thins point? "there was no Jesus, it was all Paul's creation"
why are they so obsessed with that theory?

>>507373972
>It's pretty obvious Jesus did indirectly condemn homosexuality
The crime of Sodom wasn't always seen as mainly homosexuality.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
“’Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me."

And since Jesus refers to to Sodom in the context of towns that were inhospitable, (Immediately before: "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town... it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom") it may be that what Jesus was referring to was the extremely poor hospitality of Sodom. (Trying to rape someone is extremely poor hospitality.)

>>507352227 (OP)
I am no expert on Early Christianity. But I have always wondered why it was Paul who spread Christianity beyond Judea and not Jesus' 12 Apostles. Jesus Christ told his 12 Apostles to not go convert the Gentiles first but find the lost tribes of Israel and convert them to Christianity.

Matthew 15:24
>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 10:5-6
>5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus Christ even said the dispersed Israelites among the nations had so many cities for the 12 Apostles to convert that the 12 Apostles wont go through all of the cities of the exiled Israelites in the dispersion before Jesus Christ returns to the Earth.

Matthew 10:23
>But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

For example, where are the various schools founded by the 12 Apostles of Jesus among the the dispersed Israelites among the nations? Josephus said there were two exiled Israelite tribes ruled by the Romans in the Roman province of Asia and also in Gaul in Europe, and he said the rest were beyond the river Euphrates and were so numerous no man could number them. I think Peter founded a school in Egypt and maybe other apostles founded school among the Roman empire, but it was Paul who took Christianity from an obscure backwater religion in Judea and spread it across the Roman empire. Obviously if Christianity is true and not a deceptive lie, the pure blooded racially Nordid Gemanic peoples are the only exiled Israelites left. Maybe some Celtic Israelites exist, but I find this claim to be questionable, maybe even dubious. Besides those two the Israelites are gone from the world, the exile Israelites are now only a small remnant.

>>507374765
tjere are good and innocent ones and evil ones. and you hypocrits nullify the good ones alongside evil ones. disgusting.

keep boiling in your own soup. im out.

>>507374865
did you skip the part where Adam ate the forbidden fruit and consequently died?
you are dead, in spirit, soul and body until born again by the Holy Spirit.
you need a new Spirit, the Spirit of God. until then you are a zombie walking around.

>>507373784
>Also what was Paul preaching that, if being a false prophet, would be false?

Nothing. It's a false narrative spread by Muslims because Paul's letters heavily contradict and condemn Islam.

>>507374754
It just said he was in the form of God, it has nothing to do with angels and angels were never called "small gods". You just cornered yourself with affirming Paul through the apostles way of discerning truth, hence JW is a sham.

>>507352227 (OP)
I am no expert on Early Christianity. But I have always wondered why it was Paul who spread Christianity beyond Judea and not Jesus' 12 Apostles. Jesus Christ told his 12 Apostles to not go convert the Gentiles first but find the lost tribes of Israel and convert them to Christianity.

Matthew 15:24
>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 10:5-6
>5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus Christ even said the dispersed Israelites among the nations had so many cities for the 12 Apostles to convert that the 12 Apostles wont go through all of the cities of the exiled Israelites in the dispersion before Jesus Christ returns to the Earth.

Matthew 10:23
>But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

For example, where are the various schools founded by the 12 Apostles of Jesus among the the dispersed Israelites among the nations? Josephus said there were two exiled Israelite tribes ruled by the Romans in the Roman province of Asia and also in Gaul in Europe, and he said the rest were beyond the river Euphrates and were so numerous no man could number them. I think Peter founded a school in Egypt and maybe other apostles founded school among the Roman empire, but it was Paul who took Christianity from an obscure backwater religion in Judea and spread it across the Roman empire. Obviously if Christianity is true and not a deceptive lie, the pure blooded racially Nordid Gemanic peoples are the only exiled Israelites left. Maybe some Celtic Israelites exist, but I find this claim to be questionable, maybe even dubious. Besides those two the Israelites are gone from the world, the exile Israelites are now only a small remnant.

>>507375058
You are fucking stupid to think that people are black and white when in reality they are different shades of gray which are all at war with one another

>>507374085
Doesn't that and the Ananias situation prove that the holy spirit doesn't make you infallible?

>>507375132
>>507374765

only good thought I could give is that jesus by default assumed people are evil in nature because it was in THAT geography.

>>507375136
Can you tell me more?

>>507375305
cool!

>>507375354
your flesh is fallible. Paul stated clearly that he continually had to struggle against his flesh. even with a new spirit. the spirit wants to do good, but the flesh wants to do evil.
that why you have to die every day and put the spirit before the body.
its a lifelong struggle until the second coming where we receive resurrection bodies.

>>507375485
No anon, your Messiah literally said that all humans are evil because he saw it with his own eyes. Go everywhere on this planet and you will see more evil done then good. That's why I worship chaos because this world is run by it . It's not good Vs evil but whatever chaos wants that moment to happen

Pauline Christianity was a mistake. Enonites/Ebonites(?) were the closest thing to accurate. Jesus loving Jews who didn’t consider him a god and didn’t consider him crucified or resurrected. Led by Joseph “brother of Jesus”. He hated Paul.


This is also almost exactly what the Muslims believe about Jesus as well. (The difference is about a virgin birth or not)

>>507375018
>Matthew 15:24
>>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
>Matthew 10:5-6
>>5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

This was because the opportunity to turn to Christ first was given to the Jews. After Jesus resurrection this changed. It was now the turn of the Samaritans then the gentiles.

>(Acts 8:14) When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Sa·mari·a had accepted the word of God, they dispatched Peter and John to them;

>(Acts 1:8) but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·dea and Sa·mari·a and to the most distant part of the earth.”

Then the gentiles

>(Matthew 28:19) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

>(Ephesians 3:5, 6) In other generations this [secret] was not made known to the sons of men as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by spirit, 6namely, that people of the nations should be joint heirs and fellow members of the body and partakers with us of the promise in union with Christ Jesus through the good news.

>Matthew 24:14-And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

>Mark 13:10-Also, in all the nations, the good news has to be preached first.

>Galatians 3:8-Now the scripture, foreseeing that God would declare people of the nations righteous through faith, declared the good news beforehand to Abraham, namely: “By means of you all the nations will be blessed.”

The Jews first, Samaritans second, and the gentiles 3rd.

>>507352227 (OP)
this thread is nonsense, pride leads many people to conclusions like "I found the secrets, everyone else is dumb but me"

but if youre reading this youre probably interested in Christianity

click here to listen to the official comprehensive summary of Christianity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

>>507375261
This isn't true. Thomas spread Christianity to Asia and non-jews for example. Apostles were in Rome prpoper and maybe even Spain.

>>507352506
Show nose filthy kike

>>507375635
>(2 Timothy 4:3, 4) For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories.

>(Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

>(Matthew 7:15) “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.

>(Acts 20:29) I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among YOU and will not treat the flock with tenderness,

>(2 Peter 2:1) However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.

>(1 Timothy 4:1) However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons,

This applies to Muslims.

>>507375963
>Pauline Christianity was a mistake. Enonites/Ebonites(?) were the closest thing to accurate. Jesus loving Jews who didn’t consider him a god and didn’t consider him crucified or resurrected. Led by Joseph “brother of Jesus”. He hated Paul.
>This is also almost exactly what the Muslims believe about Jesus as well. (The difference is about a virgin birth or not)
The Ebonites don't even have a surviving gospel. You're a completely dishonest larper.

>>507375963
Enjoy your genital mutilation and genocide-commanding desert demon if you want, but don't call the alternative a mistake.

>>507352227 (OP)
And I am convinced you religious nut jobs should be put down. Just wait till they wipe out all religions, including Christianity. Time to grow up, or die.

>>507375261
Meant for you >>507375990

>>507375742
I dont have a messiah. You are delusional and people like you make god weep.
evil people are in vast majority and they oppress or perish the good.
instinctively good and innocent people exist.
and jesus lectured people to embrace evil ones rather than stopping them.

either he didnt understand ~which was impossible since he was the son of god allegedly~ that evil will not learn in time or change, or he knowingly wanted good to be oppressed.

>>507376268
imagine blaspheming god like that and the pretending you are a Christian, you are disgusting

>>507352227 (OP)
>I'm convinced Paul from the NT is the false apostle aka anti-christ Jesus warns about.
I didn't read the books but Aphrodite affirmed that Jesus was a prophet of Hermes and didn't complete his mission because he compromised with parasites. Naturally with two gods above, all monotheistic religions are false. (Jesus didn't invent Christianity.)
t. picrel's prophet

>>507376334
Muhammad was a false prophet anything that came from him, came with the help of Satan. Satan was literally in Muhammads mouth

>>507376395
>you are disgusting
Yes, the one who doesn't approve of genital mutilation and genocide is disgusting. Make it make sense!

>>507376557
mahomet is already proven evil or at least drifted.

>>507376620
keep attacking strawmen, you halfwit

>>507376658
what is even your belief system? good and evil are spiritual concepts

>>507376658
He was a pedofile and Islam came from him.

>>507376334
Your god lied when he said he was omnipotent but let evil run rampant over his flawed creation and instead of rectifying the mistake he punishes his flawed creation while Chaos lets me do as I please for this world is chaotic in nature. You are the goy cattle that this "churches" need in order to keep their hands on power and wealth. Chaos damn me and coat me , I will forever more serve as it's most humble servant!

>>507376862
I believe and worship the true god and god himself only.

>>507376930
>I want to be a slave puppet instead of having free will
>if I have a children, I want them to be robots
yeah, okay

>>507352227 (OP)
The anti-christ is a complete mockery of the life of Christ, instead of being born of a virgin, he will be born of a prostitute, he will not reveal himself until he's on his 30's like Christ, he will be loved by jews and no one will suspect him of being the anti-christ until is too late, even the chosen ones by God will be fooled, he will "die" and be "resuscitated" on the third day like Christ did, and everyone will be fooled by it, Paul wasn't born of a prostitude, nor did he resuscitated on the third day, calling him the anti-christ is dumb, as he was also hates by the jews

>>507376930
thats actually also why i doubt semitic books.

>>507373784
>And what does that mean?

Racism. Jews considered gentiles to be dirty people and had no dealings with them. When Jesus commanded Peter to preach to Gentiles this way of thinking had to be abolished. One day Peter saw other Jews approaching and was squirming away from his gentile friends so as not to offend his Jewish friends. Paul corrected him for this.

>>507377098
are you a jew?

>>507377107
Read all 3 holy books : Torah, The Bible and The Quran. All 3 will tell you to obey like cattle without ever questioning or else you are going to be severely punished.

>>507376395
Imagine conflating God with the kike tribal demon yahweh
Imagine using lower case g
Imagine doing either while calling others blasphemous

>>507377271
no?

>>507377219
Then please tell me, why in this chaotic world your god is the right one and not the pantheon of Chaos.

>>507352227 (OP)
>>507375261
>Besides those two the Israelites are gone from the world, the exiled Israelites are now only a small remnant.
Most "White" people aren't racially pure thus disqualifying them from being both Israelite and Adamic. Also the Book of Acts also has other contradictions in it. The death of Judas in the Gospels contrasted with his death in the Book of Acts. Also in Genesis 23:19 it says Abraham is buried the Cave of the Machpelah, Genesis 23:19 correctly places this tomb in the city of Hebron where it actually is. While Acts 7:16 seems to incorrectly places the Tomb of Machpelah in the city of Shechem. This is an apparent contradiction in the Book of Acts, but it could be explained because Joseph's bones were taken by Moses out of Egypt and buried in Shechem(Exodus 13:19; Joshua 24:32.) But sides that it seems to be a contradiction in the Book of Acts as the Cave of Machpelah in Hebron and not Shechem you can look it up on the Internet, or you could go there and travel to Israel and go to the Cave of Machpelah in Hebron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPGP9n2vQUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8guU9SScKkc

>>507377459
because nothing can exist unless created by a force or its all a killer loop and all within is by very itself of the force. God is no santa sitting on the firmament.

>>507377432
so do you think the true god is the god of the bible or what?

>>507377689
You do understand that nature itself isn't some prices mechanisms but a very chaotic one that somehow hasn't collapsed on its own ? Humans and Societies are the same, it doesn't take that much to sow Chaos and see destruction. The only thing that you can see in this world at any given moment is Chaos

>>507377370
only a complete midwit could read utlra-late gnostic bullshit and take it seriously

>>507352227 (OP)
New theory

Jesus was the best influencer since the builders of the pyramids in Egypt. Aliens saw this and decided to conscript him into their organization as an ascended human capable of following God's orders and manipulating pieces on the game board of the universe using his powers of influence.

Right now, a new search of the most powerful influencer is happening. Currently Mr. Beast is the most powerful influencer on the planet, capable of mobilizing millions of youth to any purpose.

>Mr. Beast

>>507377575
>The death of Judas in the Gospels contrasted with his death in the Book of Acts
how are they contradictions? first Judas hangs himself and later falls down and bursts open.

>>507377939
late, early. It doesn't matter. Gnosticism isn't based on probabilistic historical facts, it is about timeless spiritual knowledge.

>>507376159
A lot of this comes from Church tradition and is extrabiblical, for example. Most of the 12 Apostles' deaths are not even recorded in the Bible but come from other traditions. Christians today take these tradition as gospels, but I personally am weary about believing things that are not from the scriptures. Again, maybe the 12 Apostles did found schools outside of Judea, but there is no record of them forming schools outside of the Roman Empire to my knowledge where most of the exile Israelites were beyond the Euphrates river and in Germania. But like I said before, I am not well versed in the history of Early Christianity.

>>507378069
>it is about timeless spiritual knowledge
gee, I wonder who could be behind spiritual confusion for a purpose.
protip its satan

1. Paul was the sinner that repented. He probably not only brought Christianity to the Hellenized goys, but probably secretly modified Jeudaism to something unrecognizable, prior to Paul (as a pharisee). Jesus broke the back of the Jews, but Paul mended it. Remember that it was Jesus that gave the promise of the Kingdom of Heaven. This is why all Christians now ask for forgiveness for their Trespasses. Because Paul, as a Jew and a Pharisee, Could only Trespass there.

TLDR: I think Paul was an Ok guy, after repenting from being a Jew.

"If god wanted you circumcised he would have be begat you that way, the true circumcision. The circumcision of the holy spirit, has become quite profitable" _Jesus. The only quote Ill drop since people that try to base context entirely on bible quotes seem entirely lost.

>>507378069
>late, early. It doesn't matter.
It really does retard. You are one step above being a fucking Moromon.>>507378069
>Gnosticism isn't based on probabilistic historical facts,
because it isn't true
>>507378069
>it is about timeless spiritual knowledge.
it's about making edgy nihilist man-children feeling like they know something super secret, you are dumb

>>507352227 (OP)
The real red pill is that Jesus saves everyone, the moment he rose from the dead, and you don't have to do anything at all. The Bible teaches us how to live in this world well, but eternity has been solved when Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice and rose from the dead. Jesus saves all.

>>507378051
That is one explanation Christian use. I am Christian myself(CI). So I am either forced to believe that or I must admit that the Book of Acts doesn't belong in the scriptural canon.

>>507378528
>That is one explanation Christian use. I am Christian myself(CI). So I am either forced to believe that or I must admit that the Book of Acts doesn't belong in the scriptural canon.
they don't have to be exact copies for accounts to be divinely inspired

>>507377857
not sure if semitic religions concur with me yet, didnt read them all. but I can affirm the god, his image and spirit being trifold layers.

>>507377939
It isn't ultra late. It goes right back to the beginning, which is why letters had to be forged to shut it down.

1 Corinthians 2
"For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified [...] et among the mature we do speak wisdom, though it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are being destroyed. But we speak God’s wisdom, a hidden mystery, which God decreed before the ages for our glory."

1 Timothy 6:20
"Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith."

Even the notion that Yahweh isn't Jesus' Father was preserved in a subtle way in the gospels through a saying found in Matthew and Luke. Compare:

Numbers 21:5-6
"The people spoke against God and against Moses, 'Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we detest this miserable food.' Then the Lord sent poisonous serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many Israelites died."

Matthew 7:9-11
"Is there anyone among you who, if your child asked for bread, would give a stone? Or if the child asked for a fish, would give a snake? If you, then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

>>507378254
Satan is a character in your book.
I am of the True God Source.

Paul willed the end; therefore he also willed the means.... What he himself didn’t believe was swallowed readily enough by the idiots among whom he spread his teaching.—What he wanted was power; in Paul the priest once more reached out for power—he had use only for such concepts, teachings and symbols as served the purpose of tyrannizing over the masses and organizing mobs. What was the only part of Christianity that Mohammed borrowed later on? Paul’s invention, his device for establishing priestly tyranny and organizing the mob: the belief in the immortality of the soul—that is to say, the doctrine of “judgment”....

>>507377939
>only a complete midwit could read utlra-late gnostic bullshit and take it seriously
Only a complete halfwit could read the jewish collection of bullshit known as the bible and take it seriously
I'm not a gnostic
>>507378340
You are a demon worshiper - like all yahwehists

>>507378528
>I must admit that the Book of Acts doesn't belong in the scriptural canon.
are you fucking insane? ofc it belongs in the scriptures since it proves the historical accuracy of the gospel the best.
errors come in from different translations mostly. take the masoretic vs septuagint translation of the OT for example.

>>507378373
Your primitive voodoo blood magick is for the birds. Same applies to kikes torturing chickens.
Vicarious atonement via scapegoat blood sacrifice is black magick but neither real, moral nor effective
tldr everyone pays for their own shit

>>507378745
>I am of the True God Source.
you dont even know your own basic gnostic teachings lmao.
I was a gnostic myself until I came to realize how flawed and backwards it is. it is only there to spread confusion and lead you away from Jesus to be your own Christ and the protagonist of your life.
also the "true God source" suspiciously leaves out the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

>>507378998
Did you not read the contradictions in the OP post? Personally I don't care if there are contradictions in the Bible. I'm down with Christian Identity no matter what. Hail Germania. Hail the Germanic communities throughout the world. We are the real Israelites no matter what.

>>507378373
Jesus is not from a Naruto cartoon. He probably just brought you a message. Not bestowed magic powers to change the order in which you die. I get the symbology of sacrifice to bring you the message. When you sacrifice you sacrifice the light water. This is why Christians dont sacrifice animals and dont circumcise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ClCaPmAA7s

>>507379403
>tldr everyone pays for their own shit
you will die if you dont accept Jesus has died for you. you only can pay with your life.

>>507379524
>Did you not read the contradictions in the OP post?
lol no
OP has an anti christian agenda. most likely muslim.
>We are the real Israelites no matter what.
europeans are from the descendants of Japheth, not Shem.

>>507379678
>you will die
No shit nigger
Protip: all mortals die. The soul carries on however.
Your jew mashiach didnt change that.

paul invented jesus
if jesus is warning you about paul, paul is warning you about paul. and you'll notice they leave alot of these easter eggs all throughout the new testament. part of the reason for this is they needed to explicitly spell it out to jews that its jewish and not meant to be taken seriously and to trust the plan. i mean, the guy's name being yahweh is salvation is a pretty big fucking giveaway, but theres more than just that one. lots, in fact. its a sort of globohomo language, like the politicians use, where theyre not talking to the wider public, but specifically to jews.

>>507373906
>>507374471
even if he was tricked, that is still god's doing

>>507380016
>europeans are from the descendants of Japheth, not Shem.
You are a mutt, not a real German.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVz2fW7B3fQ

>>507380041
>The soul carries on however.
no, I mean your soul dies in agony, the 2nd death.
>And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
without Jesus you pass into non existence after paying your entire debt in full.

>>507380260
why make pride your identity. be humble and thankful that God lets Japheth dwell in the tents of Shem.

>>507374901
Paul's teachings on violence emphasize non-retaliation, love for enemies, and overcoming evil with good.

>>507380320
>no, I mean your soul dies in agony, the 2nd death.
Semitic tripe.
>after paying your entire debt in full.
Finite sins do not deserve infinite punishment.
Your moronic semite creed is asinine filth - an insult to God and man.

and yeah, if i was a christian id probably be pulling my hair out too if i found out jews have a secret holiday for st peter and st paul. you can only reconcile that in so many ways without accepting the fact its the jews dummy. youre like little boomers, physically incapable of connecting that piece of the puzzle. so youll call us nazis, or jews or whatever, youll fall back to your brainwashing, just like boomers do when you mention jews.
https://youtu.be/zA06z5jRu6Q

>>507352227 (OP)
Of course he is a false apostle, according to Jesus he never even makes it in the afterlife

>>507378745
This guy was right.

>>507352921
I consider the point of religion to be self-mastery, self-transcendence, and insight into the death process.

The churches don't offer this. The only persons I've ever encountered with actual psychic abilities were wandering homeless ascetics who aren't associated with any church or group.

All you can find in the churches is fat hypocritical priests and politically minded worldly people. You don't get any healings, anyone telling you your thoughts, anyone inspiring you with their example.

The Bible should itself be treated with skepticism and so should all the people whose fruits are clearly rotten.

I much rather work on the virtues and look up to people who speak universal truths and who have something to actually show in their actions than useless sickly spiritually dead and fearful people that infest all the churches.

>>507380743
>Finite sins do not deserve infinite punishment.
hell is not eternal. you are being destroyed in fire.
anyway, fuck around and find out I guess. I pointed you to Jesus, the rest is up to you.

>>507380767
>guys stop listening to jews, here listen to that jew that proves it
are you fucking retarded?

>>507380508
Edomite Kike!

>>507380803
Imagine thinking that just because the Judaizers put Matthew first in the New Testament that this means Matthew actually was first and is representative of the original teachings.
>>507366428

>>507380803
Paul called the law perfect.
but you dont become righteous because of keeping the law but faith makes you righteous believing in the one he sent, Jesus Christ.
if you want to be righteous by law you have to keep all the law all the time.

>>507380932
>hell is not eternal. you are being destroyed in fire.
The death of the soul you describe is eternal - thankfully such a thing is not possible
>anyway, fuck around and find out
The only ones fafo-ing are yahwehist demon worshipers who think that messiahs and chickens will be payment for their own filth and vice

>>507380803
paul contradicts jesus
jesus contradicts yahweh
matthew contradicts mark
luke contradicts matthew

its all so jewish. you can accept that theres gonna be fuckups when they were hastily slopping together the disaster that was the septuagint, but the jew testament is another story. they had 1500 years. 1500 years and they decided to keep the part about jesus getting arrested with a naked boy. but him not resurrecting at the end of mark? gotta write an entirely new ending before goyim find out

>>507381366
What a load of incoherent levantine horseshit

>>507381442
the death of the soul is non existence. its like you never existed at all.
>The only ones fafo-ing are yahwehist demon worshipers who think that messiahs and chickens will be payment for their own filth and vice
so you seriously think you can pay the wages of sin yourself which is death? thats just suicidal.

>>507364650
>presumes to have the truth
>can't do what Moses, Jesus, his apostles, etc. did
>can't even do what Pharaoh's priests did because he lacks the hermetic wisdom entirely

Better to be a disciple of truth and reality than to be a "Christian" if the two are not synonymous, which clearly they are not, as those that call themselves Christians today clearly demonstrate they are utter failures having no spiritual authority at all.

>>507380533
> forgive them for they know not what they do.

Not only does this phrase sound gnostic, as the crucifiers are like Hylics that have no Idea what theyre doing. Not evil just stupid. But Paul is the story of the Crucifier that repents. His life converts to less than meaningless to producing some of gods works. Possibly the greatest of gods works since he is a major link in the chain to spread Christianity. I say kill them all though. I guess Im not that good of christian. I fail to see value in Paul's life as a crucifier.

>>507381243
So you're taking Paul's word over Matthew? Why? Paul never met Jesus, he saw Satan according to his own standard.
>>507381366
>cites Paulian theology
Paul called it a curse and abolished it, specifically doing the opposite of what Jesus ordered you to do. Why in the world would you trust this guy? You're brainwashed

>>507381117
i consider it all garbage and came to that conclusion well before that jew ever admitted it.

you on the other hand, youre trusting these jews but not *those* jews
so however crazy you think it is of me, is like not even 10% of the same way people look at you christcucks for doing exactly that.

>>507373020
Paul is one of the biggest reasons Christianity is so far removed from Hebraism.
He rejects the law in favor of faith and uses lots of mystery religion symbolism, especially in Corinthians.
Whatever your opinion on Paul's Hellenistic ideas, they are even further removed from the Torah than the Synoptic Gospels.

>>507365612
>>'There is none righteous no, not one.'(Saul the Defiler, Romans 3:10)

That's in contradiction to that old testament story where a certain someone was called righteous who Satan and Yahweh both tormented to see if he'd ever stop being righteous and he never did.

>>507381681
>the death of the soul is non existence. its like you never existed at all.
Ergo an eternal punishment
>so you seriously think you can pay the wages of sin
Karma is a bitch but it IS justice and it is PROPORTIONATE
Unlike your absurdist unjust one-off eternal deal. Complete hogswash to terrify NPC sandniggers.

>>507381863
You realize that all of the gospels are anonymous and that Paul's letters were written before them, right
https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

>>507352227 (OP)
St. Paul coverted nations to Christ proof that he server Christ and you OP are serving satan. St. Paul is recorded in the Acts of the Apostles as having carried out numersous miracles and was clearly accepted by the Apostles in his time.

>>507381922
I trust in God alone. and if God made it so that one of the most zealous and evil jews is humbled in such a matter that he goes on and spreads out all the treasures of God available to people jews hate the most I give attention.

>>507382363
>St. Paul is recorded in the Acts of the Apostles
Imagine believing in anecdotes written by jews

>>507352506
>>507352227 (OP)
just ask rAbbI is this true

>>507382446
>I trust in God alone
No. You trust in books written by kikes.

>>507381934
>let them drink milk, while we eat meat.

Pharisee are over here studying teaching they wont show to their clergy. Jeudaism to this day, mirrors scientology where the Pharisee is "over the rainbow" and worshipping Xenu, while the clergy of jews arent even allowed to know the 3 letters that form the covenant with an unknown god. Theyre over here cutting off their peepee'
s and have no idea why.

>>507382217
you are not punished if you dont exist. stupid logic.
>Karma is a bitch but it IS justice and it is PROPORTIONATE
you cant pay, you have only one thing after death. yourself, and you have to pay up with yourself for every sin you committed, but all sin results in the death of yourself.
ergo self induced punishment and followed by non existence.
why gamble with such serious stuff?

>>507382157
Paul is quoting Ecclesiastes 7:20 there.
"Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins."

>>507382270
Yes of course, still if you trust the gospels they must have authority over this nobody that wanted to exploit the gentiles. This fucker admits that lying can be used for noble goals and then pretends he totally doesn't do it. He even lied when he took the Nazarite vow because he was teaching Jews not to keep the law too. He himself is not "under" it despite Jesus and the Torah making it clear that Israelites are to follow it

>>507352227 (OP)
>this thread again
i like how Paul makes you seethe almost as much as Christ Himelf

>>507382681
the books are written by God. how else could an issue like child ritual sacrifice stand as a warning of justice stand over thousands of years and stare me straight into the face?
nothing changed and all of the Word of God is still profitable to this day.

>>507381934
By the way, I'm not team "Paul evil" per se, but the red flags are there.
He is at the center of the Judaic / Hellenistic divide within Christianity.

John's Gospel, which is not a synoptic Gospel, has similar views.
There was even a group of early Christians called the Alogi / Alogoi (against Logos) who thought John was a Gnostic subversion.
For entirely understandable reasons, the beautiful message of John aside.

https://earlychurch.org.uk/alogi.php
>In an extreme reaction to Montanism, the Second Century the Alogoi ("those who refuse the Logos") rejected the authenticity and authority of the Gospel, Letters and Revelation of the Apostle John.

>>507382684
>>507381934

One insight to that is if your Pharisee are over here converting and theyre the only one who knows what your religion is about you best believe it. TWO, we have no idea what "jeudaism" is about without access to its esoteric knowledge. Which Only Paul has as an initiate into the pharisee.

>>507352227 (OP)
This is why kikes want to divide the church

For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.[b]

paul wrote that.

It aligns with what God says.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

>>507382810
>you are not punished if you dont exist. stupid logic.
Non existence is punishment. I
n any case most christfag denoms do NOT preach annihilationism
>you cant pay
You can, you will and you do
> you have to pay up with yourself for every sin you committed
Yes
>but all sin results in the death of yourself.
Hogswash

>>507383235
stupid gamble, but again, its your gamble not mine.

>>507380920
Can you tell us more about these psychic abilities you encountered?

>>507383092
>the books are written by God
Utter nonsense. Arrogant, blasphemous jewish filth

>>507383413
>Im more correct than europeans for the last 2000 years
ok kiddo

>>507381934
its crazy how they just very openly are talking about enslaving us permenantly like that. its like reading a transscript of the world economic forum, but from the first century
whats even crazier is how nobody notices or seems to care. how they can provide a free copy of their plan in ecery hotel room on earth, and still.. nope
but the most crazy thing is how 2 billion people think that theyre the ones attending the world economic forum, and are gonna be among the.. what, 144,000? and not among the 99.99% who get outright killed/enslaved/tortured
>inb4 youre not reading the bible hard enough
lol

>>507383337
It is the LAW
Not the moronic kike law with their genital mutilations and scapegoat rites of sin transference
THE actual universal divine cosmic law of cause and effect
Jews / israelkikes were never chosen to have truth revealed to them and their books are demonic filth and full of lies

>>507382831
Also Psalm 14 and 53 "Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one."
>>507383011
We've been over this. The gospels were written after Paul, Matthew was written in reaction to Paul, and Paul's writings were corrupted.

In Romans 3:7, I don't read that as Paul saying that he himself is lying. Rather, it's part of the hypothetical continued in verse 8, where Paul is responding to the slanderous accusation that he and his group are antinomian because they don't follow the Jewish law.

"And why not say (as some people slander us by saying that we say), “Let us do evil so that good may come”? Their judgment is deserved!"

>>507383616
>Im more correct than europeans for the last 2000 years
1500 years
And yes

>>507383852
then stop arguing. I accept that you accept your fate. I cant change you, only warn you.

>>507383149
Right, in Paul's defense the gospels do have their secret society signatures (153 fish, for example), so if the entire story is symbolic then maybe Paul is telling the truth when he says his role is to reveal the fundamental message for gentiles.

>>507383396
I ran into a random Mexican lady. She probably cleaned a motel. But no bullshit could read minds and everyone thought she was crazy and said "she thinks she can hear what people think" I slighted against her, and told her it wasnt what I was thinking. Because I was thinking /pol/ tier shit and refused to admit it surrounded by Mexicans. Thought: Mexicans are retarded for eating Subway for dinner go eat tacos you beaners...this bitch was all up in my head listening to me and repeating it back to this crowd of mexicans. So I had to slight her and not give her her confirmation. I feel bad. If I could go back I would fall on that sword and tell them Maria is your real psychic, and can hear what I think.

>>507384018
Everyone is subject to the law whether you believe it or not christfag. You yahwehcucks arent special or immune to the divine algorithm.
Your black magick scapegoat blood rites don't work.

>>507380803
This was answered here>>507372687

>>507384364
I only accept that Jesus Christ died once for all my sins in faith.
I cant pay for the sins I committed and will commit. its to much to bear, I deserve death, but Jesus Christ took the place of me on the cross.
doesnt mean I like to sin, I hate it, but I am a fallible human who barely knows what he is even doing and sin is part of my nature.

>>507352227 (OP)
you're on the right track. godlikeproductions i_am_heimdall read his posts on the history of reality and the history of Christ

Christ went to Jerusalem because he knew it was the seat of Satan on Earth, the home of Khan Allah. This is why Jesus was visited by Satan in the desert just outside Jerusalem during his 40 days in the wilderness.

When Christ Yeshua turned down Khan Allah's offer to rule the world beside him, Khan Allah then had his Sanhedrin kill Christ.

This sparked a war that lasted for 300 years, until the Romans killed enough of them and destroyed enough of their knowledge that Khan Allah was able to create his own version of Christianity that would worship him. When the Bible was formed it was composed to honor Khan Allah in all his forms, as Dionysus, Khonsu, Njord, Allah, Yahweh, Saturn, etc.

Yeshua Ben Yosef was born on March 3 in 3 AD. 3-3-3. Njord/Dionysus was born on December 25th.

So why did the Roman Elite whose bloodlines can all be traced back to the Phoenicians change the name of Yeshua Ben Yosef in the Bible to Jesus?


Did you know in Greek that Jesus means son of Zeus? Did you know it was another name for Dionysus?


Did you know that the Roman Holiday Saturnalia was a Holiday to celebrate Saturn that was celebrated during the week of December 25th and the major event was decorating trees in his honor?


Ever wonder why Christians have been convinced to use the weapon of Christ death's the Cross as their Holy Symbol?


Why Communion is a blood sacrifice ritual role playing feasting on the flesh and blood of Christ? Why is it an almost exact copy of an ritual to worship Dionysus that involves drinking wine?

>>507375140
Angels are gods

>(1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6there is actually to us one God the Father,...

The Bible teaches that there are many gods. In verse 5 above it mentions "whether in heaven" which means there are those who are called "gods" in heaven. Since there can be no false gods in heaven this leaves only one conclusion. That Jesus, the Angels, Demons and Satan are those gods.

ANGELS ARE gods

>(Psalm 8:5) You also proceeded to make him a little less than godlike ones, And with glory and splendor you then crowned him.

>(Hebrews 2:7) You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands.

DEMONS ARE gods/DEITIES

The word demon is Greek for Daimonion. It means "deity" in Greek. The Greeks called their "Gods" Theos. They believed that those Theos had children, inferior gods not worthy of worship. They called those inferior gods "daimonians." Paul adopted that word and coined it to mean wicked angels. So when we call wicked angels "demons" we are really saying deities. That is what Paul wanted us to think, that wicked angels are deities. Inferior gods not worthy of worship.

SATAN IS A god

>(2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

>>507383097
its crazy how christians read revelation and think "yup. these are the good guys." and arent just immediately thinking: "i am not at all surprised these are the same people who suck baby dicks, mutilate baby dicks, and who think the creator of reality is just as unhinged as they are, boiling people in feces and torturing people for eternity"

like, theres gotta be some corruptable aspect within you that does not immediately alert you to the evil of it all. i mean, it should be very apparent i would think. then again, the rediscovery of npcs really changed the game, and now none of it surprises me.

>>507384668
>Did you know in Greek that Jesus means son of Zeus?
There's a reason why you don't see "god like" productions around here very often.

>>507385001
yea, i used to post that forum on here a little bit but on one hand i dont want phone shitposters going there

>>507383092
you worship jews
if you worshipped god, you wouldnt be worshipping jews. youd have your own conception, you wouldnt need to borrow theirs.

>>507385167
how am I worshiping jews if I worship God and accept his Word?

>>507384653
>I only accept that Jesus Christ died once for all my sins in faith.
Folly
>I cant pay for the sins I committed and will commit.
You can and you will
>Jesus Christ took the place of me on the cross.
Folly
>doesnt mean I like to sin, I hate it, but I am a fallible human who barely knows what he is even doing and sin is part of my nature.
You pay what you owe. No more. No less.
Ergo protip: try not to be a cunt. Youll regret it.

>>507352227 (OP)
imagine caring about desert religions as a White man
couldnt be me

>>507374914
>(Romans 1:26, 27) That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.

>(Jude 7) So too Sodom and Go·morrah and the cities about them, after they in the same manner as the foregoing ones had committed fornication excessively and gone out after flesh for unnatural use, are placed before [us] as a [warning] example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.

>>507384262
In my defense Maria accidentally read my mind while Im trying to make these Mexicans their nigger sandwich dinners. But then it slipped the veil. I think if you were there watching it, you knew this was 2 high power mentalists slipping the veil. With one trying to convince the other one to roll through it and hide their power levels. Like Lady the only thing were about to win is a free 5 day mental hold on our crazy asses, Just chill and roll through this and we can get these people their sandwich.

>>507385388
so your essential standpoint is that you are to prideful to accept that God has forgiven your sins and you rather drag others into destruction with yourself out of this pride.
thats just pure evil bro. repent of your ways.

>>507385289
>accept his Word
via the filter of words composed by kikes

>>507384956
>(Revelation 9:7-9) And the likenesses of the locusts resembled horses prepared for battle; and upon their heads [were] what seemed to be crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as men’s faces, 8but they had hair as women’s hair. And their teeth were as those of lions; 9and they had breastplates like iron breastplates. And the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running into battle.
>horses prepared for battle
(Ephesians 6:11-13; 2Corinthians 10:4)
>crowns of gold
(1Corinthians 4:8; Revelation 20:4; 2Timothy 4:8; 1Peter 5:4)
>men's faces
(Genesis 1:26; 1John 4:16)
>teeth of lions
(Revelation 5:5; 2Sa 17:10; 1Ch 12:8; Pr 28:1.)
>breastplates like iron
(Ephesians 6:14-18)
>sounded like chariots
(Ephesians 6:11-13; 2 Corinthians 10:4)

TLDR: The locust is actually the MODERN-DAY Christian Congregation that is prophecied to go out into the world and preach the Good news of God's Kingdom in a giant organized army as fortold by Jesus:

>“This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”—Matt. 24:14.

It's a giant organized campaign of Christian preaching that will be like an unstoppable plague of locust. No matter how many you kill they are replaced and continue.

>>507385619
>via the filter of words composed by kikes
compiled by white europeans
many jewish texts and myths were rejected by the early church.
white man filtered out and the Word of God is preserved pure because of it.

>>507383870
Yes they were but that doesn't mean they are less trustworthy. anyway most take from the Q source which is quite old itself. As for that verse I know he is saying he doesn't do it, he however acknowledges that it is a valid excuse. And anyway I have shown you where he blatantly lies. No gospels needed.
>>507384475
This is cope, Jesus tells you to keep the commandments and to outdo and follow the Pharisees (who taught the oral and written law)

>>507385612
>so your essential standpoint is that you are to prideful to accept that God has forgiven your sins and you rather drag others into destruction with yourself out of this pride.
Lmfao. No.
God is perfect justice. You get back what you give out - good or bad. Simple as. This is the LAW.
>>507385783
>by white europeans
Debatable. In any case they were deluded regardless.

>>507384475
btw sin offerings will continue, even for the Messiah himself

>>507384956
It is worth noting that there was some debate over the inclusion of Revelation in the canon for centuries.
Some groups that took issue with Paul or John disliked it for its extravagant symbolism and perceived Hellenism.

https://www.preceptaustin.org/revelation-intro-canon

>>507386147
>God is perfect justice.
God is also perfect mercy.
justice results in your rightful death.
mercy in eternal life.
chose wisely.

>>507385470
That whole section of Romans 1 was originally a slanderous diatribe from the Judaizers to which Paul was compelled to respond in my view, though the text has been modified to make it seem like it was something Paul himself was saying. >>507372503

Jude I haven't looked very deeply into but I would guess that it's another pseudonymous work of the same sort of homosexuality-obsessed people who I believe slandered Paul and compelled his response. Not unlike the homo/tranny obsessed /pol/sters of modern times.

>>507385909
>And anyway I have shown you where he blatantly lies.
Maybe I'm retarded atm but I don't see it. Is there a conflict between what Paul says in 1 Corinthians and what he is supposed to have said in Acts? If so, I would suggest the possibility that the author of Acts is lying rather than that Paul is lying.