Thread 507512734

>Federal
kys glownigger

>>507512734 (OP)
No. I support this.

>>507512734 (OP)
Didn't you post this thread yesterday?

>>507512734 (OP)
Yes but only if the bigger states are regionalised to prevent it being unbalanced, and I don't think there's much support for that in France

>>507512734 (OP)
no because the people in charge would play favorites and also flood the place with migrants

>>507512734 (OP)
I support whatever is against it

>>507513443
England's economy is the same size as France's. There's no truly big countries in Europe, except for Russia (which is why it's not included)

>>507513831
Russia's economy is the size of Italy's.

A problem with this is that the bad actions of a single country can harm all the members of the union.
We saw examples of this with Greece wrecking the single currency in 2008 and Germany causing immigration chaos in 2015.

Pan-Something projects always result in shit.
So no.

>>507512734 (OP)
No, confederation is always better. Localized governance has better representation. Europe is too diverse in its cultures. The US needs to be a confederation instead of a federation too. We're growing apart in cultures, especially between the cities and rural areas. The cities need to be their own sovereign states.

>>507513917
Italy's GDP is somewhat bigger

>>507513917
Their GDP (PPP) is the fourth largest in the world. They also have a large population and industrial base. And a gigantic land area going all the way to East Asia

>>507512734 (OP)
Let's face it, as much as Europe complains about the Balkans, they really are just the larger northern version of it. Might as well rename the whole thing to Balkania

>>507513982
Yes. More fragmentation. More dispersal to parochial-corrupt power.

Dont mind the fact that there is no commonality between any of our shitholes.

>>507512734 (OP)
Yes but only if it means destroying all of Europe's enemies

>>507514124
The Balkans conquered Europe in 1918.
It has been a Balkanic zoo ever since.

>>507513982
I absolutely agree. I guess I'm being loose with the term "federation." I personally think the Swiss Model is the best option for Europe: https://youtu.be/riUfmvNzI-A?si=1N8SvY0mDrn-vgU7

It's unironically the only way for Europe to not get destroyed within the next 50 years.
Divide and conquer works much harder against a federal union

>>507514272
>and that's why we should establish the 4th reich guys

>>507514272
you mean much better
a razor thin majority lording over an near-majority minority is a warmbed for d&c

>>507514558
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>>507512734 (OP)
Yes I do, from Lisbon oblast to Vladivostok

>>507515000
The only thing we give slavomongols is shallow graves.

>>507512734 (OP)
a federalized europe makes sense
it just needs to, you know, not be controlled by jews/israel

>>507515000
Stop chimping out against Ukraine and get rid of putin and kadyrow, then we can talk

>>507515277
Premade shallow graves to bury whoever foolishly decides to resist? Now that's hospitality

>>507512734 (OP)
Will there be loans?

>>507513041
You might not like it but this is what peak performance look like

>>507515425
Pop your tongue moscovite. 30 million of you slaves died in only 4 years.

Stay in the tundra.

>>507514272
The armies of foreigners and faggots boldly demanding their power over your speech and actions already inside Europe are far more dangerous to Europeans than Russia or China or whoever.
Reminder: the EU is a nice sounding idea to naive people. But the reality of the Kalergiist slow-boil totalitarians running it is different to what well meaning Europeans want to believe they have in charge.
Not saying it's better here, we also have Kalergiist totalitarians in charge.
But if you're an actual German, don't kid yourself please.

I hate it with a passion

>>507515698
>words words words

EU niggerfaggots are inherent leaches that should be put on trial for the crimes they have all commited against their constituent countries

>>507512734 (OP)
No.
Ethnic nation-states should be prioritized, with regional cooperation based upon common interests.

An ideal solution would resemble minor changes to the current national boundaries, which would be interacting like the old leagues of the Greek city-states, but pragmatically it would likely be organized in power blocs resembling the traditional European imperial formations, like the Russian Empire, Swedish Empire, HRE, Hellenistic Empire, etc.
And the preservation of the larger individual nations - like France, Spain, Italy, the UK, which they themselves are the product of coalescing of several petty kingdoms and duchies.

The EU is a fine example of why the federalization of Europe is a bad idea.
In totality it benefits some portions of its members disproportionately at the expense of others, but all members see a withering of their potential being lashed to such a supranational entity which is easily subverted. It also runs into the age-old problem of the preservation of the system begins to trump good functioning of the system, thus evolving into a bloated mess and creating ripe ground for corruption.
Not to mention legions of people have been disenfranchised socially, politically, and economically by this systemic shift and corruption associated with the EU and similar entities.

The vital core of Europe is rotting, whilst the financial frontiers and short-term gains and social pet-projects are prioritized. It's truly an absurd situation. Bred too much weakness.
The globalist, universalist, egalitarianism future is a load of hot air. It has been too easily subverted by the merchant and banking class, who benefit the most from the current style of globalism at the expense of every single other sector of society.
The EU and the farcical notion of universal democracy has not justified itself by its deeds or results.
Nakedly unsustainable. Something will have to give, it is coming.

>>507512734 (OP)
Fuck no. Don't mention such a dangerous idea ever again.

>>507516946
>In totality it benefits some portions of its members disproportionately at the expense of others
Right now it disproportionately benefits the most ethnically European members of the EU, but you'll deliberately ignore that because it doesn't fit your retarded worldview.

>>507516946
That will never happen. There is no sense of commonality or equality among nations here.

Western Europeans hate Eastern Europeans.
Eastern Europeans are jealous.
Everyone hates Balkaners.
Scandinavians are the butt of every joke.

Its too fragmented since 1945.

>>507512734 (OP)
Absolutely not

Nordic union allied with the functional countries at most.

>>507517103
better mention it a lot because its happening under your nose you retard

common currency, common loans, common army, common border; only a matter of time before we get vonderleyencare as well.

if you dont get out like farage did, youll be fucked by the time the eu army actually materializes; then youll just be larping like muh confederate flag bearers ever after

>>507512734 (OP)
Not as long as socialists, leftists and especially anti-privacy politicians rules so much of the rest of EU.
I wouldn't mind federal state if it was actually good for Europeans.

bump

>>507517351
And yet we don't kill each other, we work together on projects, we freely travel across Europe, we use the same electricity and currency, we bail each other out, and so on and so on

>>507518133
Killing will come again. My racist boner is hot for some lead.

And I am not sharing kinship with inferiors to me or my kin.

>>507517191
You're really going to get into some red herring nord/med debate injected into all that? What a joke you are.
I assume you're referring to Germany judging by your flag and tone, so I'll humor you for a moment.

Even if Germany benefits from the current political formation in Europe, it also comes with the cost of Germany not being able to actually meet its full potential, whilst also severely stunting other European states and nationalities whose continued deterioration is simply part of the cost of this arrangement.
Thinking in a continental scale, sure you may benefit short term - on paper.
But let us think of the reality that much of what is touted as the greatest boon for pan-Europeanism does not actually benefit most Europeans, which I think defeats the entire premise ideologically, materially, philosophically, and morally.

Benelux is a good example of this.
Brussels is a Saracen outpost at this point, there is no argument against the damage done. Practically a fait accompli this genocide at this point.
Beleaguered by the onslaught of migrants to prop up a severely flawed system, the majority of the population bears the brunt of this cost, whilst corrupt politicians and international bankers which have sunk their teeth in such a prime host benefit the most.

A silly little graph with green line go up is the only rebuttal for this terrible policy.
The state enjoys the overreach of power so they preserve this state of affairs.
Meanwhile, the European men and women - a.k.a the actual core of Europe (and are also the flagbearers of culture, the future, civilized life, etc.) - have suffered immensely and benefitted very little.

That is but one example. The Chinese now have great economic influence on the continent due to this stratified edifice of weakness.
The nations of Western Europe are practically a satrapy for the Jew-America empire.
Talk about economics all day, but these are international brewing threats which the EU has no answer to.

>>507513917
Then why can't italy supply ukraine with weapons and equipment so they can get le heckin crimea back??¿¿¿ italianssss watefukk

Yes and all browns will be sent to the work camps in Siberia

>>507518652
Europe died in 1945 mutt. No necromancy can revive this corpse.
You and your soviet monkey partners should rejoice.

>>507518652
>red herring nord/med debate injected into all that
You're so retarded you didn't even get what I meant lmfao. What's the point arguing with you then?

>>507516946
This makes the most sense to me. Europe is split into a few regions based on culture and history, and each region is able to work with other regions when needed while still pursuing their own interests.

>>507518133
I think what you describe is practically a façade.
Spurred on by the fact that there are crucial issues which you are simply not allowed to speak about because of how oppressive the EU is.
There is a fixation on these moments of little-victory when the clash of civilization is being lost.

Sure, you say you're not killing each other... Which really isn't true if one casts their gaze at the Ukraine and how many of you are hapless tools of NATO, i.e proxies of the Jew-American empire.
Besides, even if you aren't killing each other in the wars of the past, I'd say all of your societies are currently committing suicide, which is hardly an upgrade.

Don't get me wrong. I think cooperation and genuine mutual benefit should be the goal, but I really do not see the way things are currently as indicative of those things in principle.
It is like a parody of cooperation, a facsimile of joy.
You cannot seriously believe that this will be preserved with the ethnic and cultural onslaught which gets exponentially worse every year?
No change or evolution in that circumstance, just swept away into a grave like the fate of the Classical world.
It's a broad civilizational issue here, and I don't think even those things you list are going to last much longer if Europe throws away all of its common history and cultural underpinning for trinkets, paper money, and performative social causes.

>>507519168
Nobody is going to side with no italioti mongrels and greekaloid lybian monkeys.

>>507512734 (OP)
only if racist and heterosexual and ruled by absolute power but who can be changed if underpeforms by a board of advisors
>>507513831
>There's no truly big countries in Europe, except for Russia
lol

>>507518914
>Bosnia still exists
>Belgium still exists

Shit map.

>>507519099
To be perfectly honest, I don't think fixating on snark is very useful.
I think the quoted text exactly puts in other words what you were trying to say.
What exactly is your point then? Since if you're hellbent on focusing on that minor detail, then Eastern Europe and certain portions of the Balkans are practically the most ethnically pure if we're looking at it in sterile terms.
Don't think I am not aware of foreign blood, like Albanians who bear little resemblance to the historical Illyrians. Turks in Thrace, etc.

No, those niggers from the Congo are not French, NAFRI's will always be brown foreigners, the Turks and Arabs are not German, Brazilians are not Portuguese, and Gypsies are not European, but wayward poojeets.

Meanwhile, a Czech, Nord, Englishman, or Slovenian inhabiting Vienna is certainly a European, no question.
Albeit away from an ethnic homeland, but that's not really the point is it?
Ethnic homelands in Europe should be preserved and regarded with sanctity in a future model for a strong, stable Europe.

I won't dwell on this anymore since it should be an obvious, observable fact.

>>507520376
>Since if you're hellbent on focusing on that minor detail, then Eastern Europe and certain portions of the Balkans are practically the most ethnically pure

Poor shitholes are ethnically pure.
And you have no idea why nobody wants to move there.

The only way forward is a Federal Europe. Fuck all the shills who sow division and pessimism.

>>507520739
Thracian dressed like a Celt.
Slav like a Norman-Varangian.
Finnish like a Germanic warrior.

Shit jpeg.

>>507513041
how much money we couldve save

>>507520739
What the fuck does this even mean. 50% of the population believes some Nigerian that arrived here 5 years ago can be as European as Volkswagen if he gets citizenship. Being European means absolutely nothing, while our ethnicities at least still have meaning.

How are you going to deal with this fact? Or perhaps ignore it.

>>507512734 (OP)
if i can have my neetbux in any country and move around fucking sexy cuties in different countries and bring drugs across borders easily then yes

if its just a gay pyramid scheme then no

>>507521091
Our ethnicities have meaning?
What meaning?
An amorphous mass of retards has little meaning.

>>507518914
There's an Indian flag behind this post

>>507512734 (OP)
It would be kino if unrepresented ethnic group in the EU got a state.
>Basque Country
>The Sorbs
>The Sami
>Frisians
>Bretons

>>507521287
Meaning is given unto things by humans who share that belief, it has meaning in the sense many still believe it's a thing.

Most people who believe in giving more power to the EU also believe anyone can be European, that this is like Canada a post national economic zone.

>>507512734 (OP)
No I support this.

>>507519904
Except Belgium is an Ethno-state that dates back to the Iron Age, while countries like France are a made up construct named after a German tribe whom they don't have any real connection to and are actually a multi-ethnic collage of neighbouring nations.

>>507521610
So is every single EU shill a shitskin? The EU is unironically brown coded

>>507520615
Don't be absurd. One can have some idea.
The shattering of Yugoslavia, and the subsequent years of war devastated the region and its people, who even prior to that were reeling from the results of WW2.
Even Greece had Communist insurgents well after WW2.
Much of Eastern Europe is still grappling with problems squarely the result of the legacy inflicted by the yoke of Communism.
And going back even further, the Balkans specifically perhaps never recovered from the centuries under the Ottoman empire.

Don't think either that I'm not aware of the tremendously damaging influence America has had on Europe in the latter half of the 20th century.
A good portion of the problems faced by Europe today are the result of that.
Let us not forget either the tens of millions of good European men and women lost in the two Great Wars, and also those who fled or were crushed underfoot in peacetime by their own governments during Communism.
And everything else that is spent with such great human toil and crisis. The 20th century was a disaster for Europe.

Sure poverty is an obstacle, but the EU laws and tacit allowances beyond the law are also the reason why criminal Albanians and Gypsies infest every corner of common society now.

>>507513041
the whole red area got GDP of Nigeria at the time LoL

>>507521091
>our ethnicities at least still have meaning
Lmao, ask your President about it.

>>507520739
Fuck the EU its over

>>507521843
You dont understand that Balkans is a state of reality not a state of geography.

Europe is being turned into Balkania as your countryman said before.
Everywhere is Balkans now.

Eastern Europe is just an extension of Europe into Asia.
Balkans is Supersaharan Africa.

>>507521843
Listen dude. Europe is dying. There is no turning things around, you're carrying our torch now.
>>507521940
Everyone in Portugal will make that distinction, even leftoids will back down when I say that Africans and Arabs are not ethnically portuguese, though most will say that's irrelevant.

But an EU identity? Nobody believes that shit except neomarxist subtards who think infinity brown migrants to Europe is a good thing. Maybe that's why you support the EURSS.

>>507521867
>pooland
>not seething about russia
Mission impossible.

Imagine if the armies of Europe got mobilized to kill every nigger on the African continent. Holy fuck Europe need to colonize the world again.

>>507522217
Cope.

Even your dissident, ultranationalist, post-fascist right proudly declares Portugal to be and always having been multi-ethnic nation, and even to have some sort of divinely ordained mission to miscegenate and integrate brownies.

Catholicism did an irreversible number on the Portguese right, you literally would be better off under Soviet style communism.

>>507521425
Meme ethnicities

>>507522351
If Brussels got the power to organize that army Europe would look like Canada within 30 years. Any thought not social democratic progressive would land you in jail. Shit would make China look like America. There are absolutely no guardrails against Brussels overreach built into the EU.

We need to dismantle it as soon as feasible, right now it's hard because Russia would invade but I would genuinely like to see more EUxit movements in the future. Also you're not even in the EU fuck off.

>>507512734 (OP)
No. It's a horrible idea. Wouldn't work. Stop posting the same fucking thread.

>>507522272
Russia = backwardness

>>507522624
Can you show me statements where Ergue te or ADN said that? Or associated groups like 1143 and Reconquista?

You are lying.

>>507522629
I want to see scatalans secede so they can drown in niggers, aids and poverty since that's their wish.
>>507522703
Infinitely more relevant than you at any point of history.

>>507522804
I'm dropping the meme flag fuck this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Un7UWKpfs

>>507521867
go back to ukraine

>>507521667
Spaniard chads, we can't stop winning

>>507522830
When was Moscovia ever relevant before Peter and the German Romanovs?

It was a Mongol horse breeding station.

>>507521974
>>507522657
I am not talking about the EU, I am talking about something fresh, a traditionalist Federal Europe with a European only racial policy.

>>507523020
>European only racial policy.

Wtf is a European race?

>>507523007
>moscovia
Why not in the trenches?

>>507522272
yeah, it was so great they needed to build a wall to keep the people inside LoL

>>507522946
Who the fuck is that literal who? Nobody in the two far right nationalist groups with any political expression, Ergue te or ADN, has said what you claimed. Absolutely nobody in the far right's biggest groups which are 1143 and Reconquista said that.

You are simply lying, you're just a dumbfuck liar.

>>507513041
biggest mental asylum in the world is what i would call it
china is more a social experiment

>>507522830
>I want to see scatalans secede so they can drown in niggers, aids and poverty since that's their wish.
Kys retard

>>507523020
>racial policy
nigga keep dreaming

>>507523020
Fine then we're in agreement, the EU has to be dismantled first, and rebuilt. The current constitutional order in Brussels was created in the aftermath of WW2 to quash any sort of racial pride.

>>507523126
Rusia es cuestión de un dia para nuestra infanteria.

The fuck happened to you meseta niggers?

>>507523020
What a beautiful dream

>>507512734 (OP)
>Federal
means contract
time to wake up anon

>>507512734 (OP)
Never

>>507523190
That "literally who" has more subscribers than Ergue-te has votes.

ADN is not a serious party, it's a "against le current thing" meme, piggibacking on contrarianism.

1143 does more harm than good by being the "neo-nazi" caricature the Left wants Nationalism to be.

Reconquista is based and you should donate to them fr fr

>>507513917
>muh gee dee pee

>>507512734 (OP)
No, I wouldn't move to defend Lithuania and I don't expect any Lithuanian to move to defend the Canary Islands

>>507523488
At least we tried, unlike you.

>>507512734 (OP)
Under a fascist ultra nationalist rule.
Else
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No;
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>>507523190
only vatnik shills or other browniez are against a more federal europe, it makes absolute sense to pool resources to compete with other big states you ain’t fooling anyone retard

>>507523696
Well by that logic that literal who had 0 votes in the last election, Ergue te has literally infinite times more political expression.

You're just disingenuous. I asked you for anything tangible and you post some random fucktard on the internet where you can find anyone saying anything. So my guess you are an honorless cunt who is unable to concede a point when he's wrong.

>>507524060
I literally said that here >>507522657 so please do fuck off with your globalist glownigger talking points this isn't reddit

>>507524060
If you want United Europe, Russia has to be in there.

>>507512734 (OP)
It's not a matter of supporting it for me it's a matter of if it's possible for the UK, France and Germany to exist as states in a union without having a compulsory shitfit every 5 seconds. Our solution to this was pretty simple but putting that aside as i'm sure they would want to, there would need to be elements in the system that encourage healthy competition without going too far. Without that pressure would build until things become acrid and then explosive.

>>507524233
>Russia has to be in there

Nigger I would genocide France.
Let alone what I would do to any oriental slavomongoloid race.

>>507524352
You can help with that by going back home and joining the AFU.

>>507524233
yea but they wont agree to share votes anyway, as they wanted preferential treatment in HATO too, blame putin russia would’ve been an addition that makes sense, integration was happening economically, then roleplay of vladimir the great.jpg happened or fsb schizos took over power in russia, and now he is paying tribute to chechenz, selling of natural resources to chinks, paying gold for iranian flying lawnmowers and probably norks, seriously what is the point

>>507524233
Russia could join a Federal Europe if they replaced their neo-Soviet and Eurasian identity with a fascist European identity and rid itself of its non-European population.

>>507524352
This isn't a psychiatric ward keep your schizo rants to yourself and stop embarrassing my country

>>507524065
In the next presidential election, the furthest right candidate you have, is Lieutenant Colonel Tinoco Faria.

He also defends le multiracial nation meme.

Estado Novo and Catholicism as a whole really destroyed any hope for a meaningful rejection of multiracialism for Portugal.

>>507524233
Too complicated

>>507524476
>>507524608
Exactly whats wrong with this peninsula of quasi-nafris.

>>507512734 (OP)
No.

>>507524352
this tbqh they dont realize weve literally war crimed eachother here and then sucked up harsh treaties and now work together, same can happen with russia once they reach evolution stage beyond chimps perhaps

>>507524574
The point is they belong in a real union of European countries, they are exactly as European as you are.
>>507524743
Post your hand with timestamp then, go ahead. You're probably some brown turd coping, that's why you're schizo

>>507524660
The official period to declare yourself a candidate just started so even if that were the case, which I don't believe in because I can't trust anything you say, you're once again a disingenuous, disohonorable piece of shit

>>507524824
Cala-te.

>>507524774
Only good slav is a dead slav.

>>507524940
/pol/ is an English board negro

>>507524743
>>507524940
>that hair
You're a hohol draft dodger just as expected.

>>507524824
yea but the problem is there that they wont ever want to sit on the same round table with the same share of vote as someone smaller (ex. ukraine specially) because
1. they don’t have honor
2. they are super egoistical
3. they are schizoid/retarded and outright autistic on history revisionism

>>507525102
That's not a hand with timestamp because he himself is a nafri turdskin

>>507525102
No, i recognise his speech paterns.

He's subversive scum that wants everyone demoralised, divided and conquered.

>>507524940
its a tankie faggot

>>507512734 (OP)
Too small. Needs Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia. In the future we should talk about Lebanon and Tunis.

>>507525102
Fuck is wrong with my hair?

Iberians only have nafri black hair uh?

>>507525177
Yeah but so would you if you were bigger, they're not unique in that regard. That's why they belong and no union in Europe can exist without them.

>>507525322
Post hand with timestamp.

>>507525322
So I assume you're ok with Ukraine ceasing to exist since they're also slavniggers?

>>507525315
Might as well throw Syria, Egypt and Somali in while you're at it. Trudeau, how's the weather in Mykonos?

>>507521091
if it's really only 50 that's impressive because it's those people who cave instantly to power. Change some things around and they will goose step that's a promise.

>>507525414
>>507525487
I dont give two catnips about no Slavic shithole.

>>507520739
funny how both above and below your post is exactly that KEK

>>507525783
Wow those are pure Aryan genes you got there lmao

>>507525783
Notice the brown skin around his fingernail. That's not even a nafri, that's a full blown pajeet.

>>507525901
Nigger what
Who the fuck said anything about muh aryans and shie

>>507512734 (OP)
No, I support a Europe of sovereign nation states. The EUSSR is the new Empire of Evil and must end.

>>507525362
Yes, every big imperial country will not resist dominating their smaller neighbours.

Therefore it is in every small nation's interest, to collaborate with other small nations to hamstring and ideally dismember every larger country.

It is in every single European country's interest to break and dismember Russia, just like it is to break and dismember the U.S. if such opportunity ever came about.

After Russia/U.S/China and maybe India are broken and balkanized then MAYBE we can think about doing the same to France or Germany.

But going back to being rivals inside Europe at the current fucking year while the serious players carve Europe between eachoter like the Cold War all over again is beyond retarded.

>>507525972
You just said my hair was not black and oily enough to be Iberian. Now this shit.

>>507526032
You're calling everyone in Iberia nafris when your hand looks like that son pipe the fuck down

>>507518270
>And I am not sharing kinship with inferiors to me or my kin.
>flag
...

>>507526159
What I'm saying is that you should have continued to larp as a hohol instead of degrading yourself to pajeet.

>>507525783
Sorry anon

>>507526113
Who said anything about dismembering France or Germany? I want the EU gone, it's an evil unaccountable entity that is systematically undermining remigration efforts.

>>507525541
Nope, Lebanon and Tunis have small populations and they would provide EU with launchpads in MENA. But anyway let's start with the rest.

>>507526201
The negrophiliac proto-liberal is going to speak now.

>>507526161
You niggers either have myopia or you do heavy narcotics.

>>507526201
Hey only 2/3rds of the Portuguese flags ITT are schizo retards ok dude?

>>507526239
You just said my hair was not Iberian.
Now my hand is nafri.

>>507526313
And Egypt and Somalia have bountiful populations and would provide Europe with control of the Red Sea and Suez. Shut the fuck up you globalist donkey.
>>507526323
Saar I assure of eyes work bloody good

>>507526275
Nigger, nobody is even trying to remigrate anything.

It's absolutely pointless to get rid of the E.U when our own national politics are entirely captured.

The U.K left the E.U and how did that work out for them? Instead of 20k weekly poles they now have 400k jeets.

If the E.U colapsed, our parliment would sign us to be the next state of Brazil the next day.

>>507526579
>If the E.U colapsed, our parliment would sign us to be the next state of Brazil the next day.

No kidding.
It already happened.

>>507526579
You can't remigrate people because Brussels will have you arrested if you pose any real threat. The Remigration conference in Italy had people arrested upon arriving in their home countries, why? Glowniggers, the same reading this thread, will have your ass flogged if you pose any real threat to the EU's progressive social democratic order. You cannot vote your way out of this at the EU level, it needs to be undone, and then rebuilt. No country has ever completely reshaped it's constitutional order democratically, and neither will the EU's.

>>507526516
You can't avoid reality, you have to shape it. A child will go hide in Portugal and pray that the problem doesn't come to him. A man will do something about it. Funny that you've mentioned the Suez canal, one of the trade arteries of Europe. Entirely outside of our control, like so many other things.

>>507526664
We literally have more chances of getting forced to remigrate by a nationalist-captured E.U, than to actually get our own politicians to do it ourselves independently.

It took bloody C*stile to pressure us to expel the Kikes in 1516.

>>507526848
Belém will arrest you for being anti-immigration much sooner than Brussels.

>>507515698
>is a nice sounding idea to naive people
To absolute retards. Not naive.
The EU is pretty much what the whole history and finction told us is a bad idea, but here we are because selling hell disguised a paradis seem that easy when people are absolute retards.

>>507526907
Thats why endogenous genocide is the only answer.

>>507526867
I'm not hiding, I'm pushing for Prexit even if my material lifestyle takes a hit. You're pushing for embracing millions of shitskins into our borders, leaving people like me to deal with them. If you want to think like that, go to America or Canada and leave our homelands intact you treasonous snake.

>>507527069
Most Greeks have Australian citizenship.
So he has his spot in Melbourne.

There are always people who want to become more and more powerful and extract more and more wealth out of everyone, and who need bigger and bigger governments for this. The current American constitution was written by these kinds of people. The EU was invented by these kinds of people.

>>507518133
>Says Germoney
Pfft.
You retards have no self awareness.
The only reason you feel so comfortable in the EU is because you own the EU and globohomo is your national obsession.
Your so-called allies already hate you and want to limit their exposure to you faggots as much as possible. They only tolerate your faggot EU and its faggot rules because you're cucks who give everyone free money. Free money you only have because America gives you free money in the form of subsidizing your backwards and retarded economy.
The basis of the EU is literally Germany sucking money out of the US's cock and then throwing it at shitholes like Greece, meanwhile Greece hates you. And no wonder; everyone hates you motherfuckers.

>>507512734 (OP)
Sovereignty or death.

>>507527069
Pushing for Prexit is pushing for half a Million Brazilians a year.

>>507526987
Belem isn't even endowed with any executive power, and Sao Bento is 2/3rds, if not right wing, at least not left wing basedtards.

Brussels is such a disgusting place, how can a city that looks like that be a source of pride or morality for anything? How can a city as filthy as Brussels, as degenerate as Brussels, host anything other than Europe's most degenerate imbeciles? I am embarrassed to think about it quite frankly.

>>507527412
Pushing for the EU is pushing for 100 million Arab and African refugees.

>>507512734 (OP)
I support killing all non whites
how bout that you fucking kike

>>507512734 (OP)
fuck you

>>507527297
>They only tolerate your faggot EU and its faggot rules because you're cucks who give everyone free money
That money isn't free then now is it? If Germany didn't give it we would just raise tariffs. Lol.

>>507527510
Wrong, we are in the E.U for 40 years and i am yet to see a fucking Arab. Yet i see more Afro-Brazilian scum on a daily basis than stones on the causeway.

And you can absolutely bet your ass that if we had remained "Proudly Alone" we would have twice the number of Afrozilians.

>>507527069
On the contrary. The people you don't want, Africans and Arabs, will come here if Europe has a weak foreign policy and we can't shape the world around us. Belarus, Turkey, the North African states all weaponize immigration against us.

>>507527766
>Go to Martim Monhes
>Everyone is brown
Proudly alone is a strawman by the way I'm not advocating for that. The solution will necessarily be cooperating with Spain, France and Italy while the EU is dismantled.

There can be no democratic solution to the issue of mass migration while Portugal answers to Brussels. If you dispute this, you are wrong. If you don't care about this, then we have nothing else to talk about.

>>507527016
Yes, agreed. You don't win people over by calling them retards, so I was polite about it, but given the memeflag-tier responses I got, it seems that person is already hopelessly demoralised and unreceptive to truth. So I can admit that when I said naive, it was a euphemism for retarded.
Unfortunately the vast majority of people, including most of our friends and family, are such naive people.
The naive wil figure it out of course, but they'll wait until it's too late to do something about it.

>>507527922
>Bring in hundreds of millions of shitskins to Europe so we have the strength to avoid bringing in hundreds of millions of shitskins to Europe
Nigga we're just gonna shoot their boats and cancel their visas. This isn't rocket science. There's no arcane magic being invoked.

>>507528004
>Go to Martim Monhes
I don't give a flying fuck about Lisbon's brown neighbourhoods, Lisbon had nigger-infested neighbourhoods since the 70's. Lisbon's most famous neighbourhood is literally called MOURARIA.

I'm concerned about Braga having the same demographics of São Paulo.

>>507528533
Can you imagine the shitshow that it's going to be when we're sending those people back? We will have to do things that are completely against the ECHR, against everything Brussels stands for, we cannot do it unless we the people take complete control of our immigration policy and that means not answering to Brussels as well. The times have changed. The people want this shitshow to stop and want their lives back. Only our Parliament can do that, we can't answer to sóytards living in a city that looks like fucking Algeria while we deport them.

>>507528025
Yeah.
What bother me is that one world govt is pretty much as dystopian as it sound and every stories told us so, but here we are with people telling us it' a good thing.
It really feel like being surrounded by blind people. They can't see the same things as us, which i find crazy.

>>507528816
Forget the EGHR, it's against our constitution.

>>507529006
>Just ignore reality bro
Not an argument
>>507528867
These retards think we're going to get remigration if we walk in the direction of the One World Government. Nah, I'm walking the direction of Switzerland, small villages should have the legal authority to block foreigners from moving there. Fuck the EURSS

>>507526848
>it needs to be undone, and then rebuilt.
I 100% agree with you, Portuguese Anon. That's why I titled this post "A Federal Europe," and not a Federal EU. I personally believe the EU should be reestablished along the lines of the Swiss Confederation Model: https://youtu.be/riUfmvNzI-A?si=QFvWKw81zrHJUJhC

>>507529252
So long as you acknowledge the EU needs to be dismantled in its entire constitutional order we're in agreement. Every document ripped to shreds, its legal validity voided, and something else built anew, which gives each entity the power to control who lives there.

>>507514272
your EU is already destroying europe to the core by importing enemy dna,
youre so fucking stupid, EU needs tombe abolished, its cancer, its jewish, its retarded version of communism ran by incompetent low IQ golem

>>507529663
>by incompetent low IQ golem
you misspelled Germans

>>507529158
>Not an argument
The argument is that you are delusion into believing the enemy is a distant foreign bureaucrat stopping you from being based, when your own regime is captured by a much more wreached hive of scum and villany.

The 3th Portuguese republic hates you and wants to see you replaced harder than anyone in the E.U does.

Overthrowing the 3rd Republic is 10x a higher priority than leaving the E.U

>>507523089
There's a boring scientific answer involving a distinct cluster of genetically similar entities but that's not necessary, it's observable and the more diverse a shithole becomes the more obvious it gets. It's as plain as day looking from the outside in especially from somewhere like South Africa or the US. To other races it's unmistakable.

>>507530211
You're just repeating yourself ad nauseam. That is such a stupid way to argue. I know for a fact that the more localized control people have, the more control over borders they exert. Empires are always multiethnic because their administrators have no semblance of loyalty to a people, by definition. Walking in the direction of giving more localized control over the borders is where I'm treading. You're walking in the other way.

>>507530439
There is no such thing as a European common ethos or ethnos.

>>507513982
>confederation is always better
yeah

>>507530551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U51A_4bVg5A

>>507530524
I'm walking in the direction of keeping power away from our worst enemy, and you want to deliver it in a golden plater.

I'm pragmatic and realistic, i look at things how they are and the most realistic paths to victory.

You look at how they theoretically ought to be, and fail to see the obvious pit fall in front of your eyes.

>>507531066
If our own worst enemy is the will of the people, then we are lost and the country isn't worth struggling over, and there is nothing for us to talk about.

Remigration must arise from the will and power of the people to reshape society around them. That means the EU has to go, because it stands against that.

>>507521867
And yet Psheks were breeding. Makes you wonder.

Someone mentioned Switzerland upthread, which is indeed a good model to emulate.
If all important issues relating to national sovereignty had to be put to referendum, the immigration issue to cease to be a problem.

>>507531508
It's much more than that, in Switzerland each canton controls citizenship applications.

>>507531218
Our worst enemy is our ruling class.

The will of the people is irrelevant, democracy doesn't exist and the people want and believe what media tells them to want and believe.

We must remove the replace the ruling class before even consider giving them more power.

>>507530540
You might as well deny the existence of atoms and galaxies while you're at it if you're so opposed to reality. Everything is frequencies and fractals, the atom is a completely human box we've put one small portion of these things in because we can't ignore how distinct it is. If you keep going you find that the atom is nothing more than a collection of equally distinct but different objects. Go the other way and you find larger and more and more complex patterns until you hit a galaxy (another unmistakable pattern that is ultimately nothing more than a box in our mind). Moving back to organic life, you can get more and more specific until you reach a family then an individual but you can also look the other way and there is a definite pattern on larger scales that we call race/subspecies/whatever semantic bullshit you decide on for whatever reason. It's there. Only worthless philosophers will waste time pretending that the 'artificial' things humans construct are irrelevant.

>>507531645
What do you mean democracy doesn't exist? There are free and relatively fair elections here, though you can't run overt fascist parties, which is something that needs to be reviewed but Brussels sure as fuck wont be the one to do it.

Here's where we're at, you're arguing that I should trust Brussels will keep Portugal's interests because some invisible boogeyman ruling class somehow runs the country even though we just free elections where people were allowed to vote for Ergue te.

You clearly have no real faith in our nation, or our destiny, which is the only thing tying your arguments together.

I disagree with everything you said. I believe empowering the people to reshape who lives around them is the key, which means walking away from Brussels and into Swiss style cantons.

This argument is over.

>>507512734 (OP)
Hell naw!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiQPIshCgjc

>>507512734 (OP)
No.

>>507532080
Democracy is meaningless if important issues (like immigration) cannot be voted on, or even discussed.

>>507532325
I agree, but they can, they were, and they did, so your point is moot. Ergue te ran on mass deportations, but people didn't vote for them.

>>507532417
>implying the supreme court would follow trough with said deportations

>>507532080
Nobody voted for mass migration anywhere, at it just simply is imposed.

There has never been a single party who said "yeah, i'm running to replace you" everyone campaigns on more gibs, and people will vote for gibs, and get niggers instead.

Even when people vote for those who promise less migration, you get more, because democracy DOES NOT exist. It's a meaningless ritual where you get to choose a different colour of the same party.

Also, people will vote on whatever media tells them to. If the every single comentator on T.V said that the economy absolutely needs ethnic homogeneity and that being favourable to migration is extremist, Ergue-te would be the top party and Livre wouldn't exist.

>>507512734 (OP)
only if they change from blue to red and move the capital from faggoty burssels to Rome

>>507532617
I didn't imply that at all. Of course the system would try to push back if the people made that choice. But they were presented with the chance to at least get the Legislative and Executive branches to do it.

>>507532764
Then why do people keep voting for the parties that do it? At least Ergue te would close the borders, even if they didn't manage to deport everyone. But it would be something.

Take accountability you mongs. Everyone wants to be like Switzerland and then acts like a nigger when it's time to face up to the consequences of our own choices.

>>507532417
People didn't chose PSD over ergue-te because they wanted more browns.

People chose PSD over Ergue-te because Media told them PSD would give them more gibs + boomers vote for the same party forever and because media told them Ergue-te would take away their democracy and human rights.

If the narrative was reverse, the results would be reverse. A person's decision is based on their information, whoever controls information controls literally everyone like a hivemind.

Most people in North Korea genuinely believe in their Regime.

>>507529663
Eu just need the rats burnt out but unironically, Europe needs to federalise to survive this century, just get rid of the muzzies, which I thunk in pretty much inevitable as the overton window has swung to everyone supporting deportation and not accepting any more, a little push and we can be remigration on a parties ticket and normalise it.

>>507532781
based

>>507532080
>I believe empowering the people to reshape who lives around them is the key
But i fundamentally agree.
A system should try to represent the popular will and be accountable to it's people as much as possible, but you must understand that what the Globalist Regime calls democracy means separation of powers.
And separation of powers means that whoever the people elect can't really do what he was elected to do, and rather the interests behind such instituions get to have their way every single time.

>>507534372
>>507533335
You're literally just rehashing the same point over and over and over and over and over. What an annoying guy you are. We get it. I believe in the will of the people, and in taking accountability for what we've done, and you believe in invisible boogeyman puppeteering everything. I will let the people reading our argument make their decision as to who is right.