Thread 507553501

>>507553501 (OP)
kino

>>507553501 (OP)
it will affect climate because these areas will cool enormously and affect weather patterns

>>507553501 (OP)
finally deserts are good for something. next step, harnessing the flow of the tides, and channeling the earth's heat. onwards to an emission free earth!

>>507553808
yeah i was thinking that. that's pretty neat

>>507553970
Silver chads rejoice
Thread over

>>507553501 (OP)
100,000 pieces of cardboard painted gloss black more likely

>>507553970
Do you have any idea how hard sand is on solar panels? LOL

>>507553501 (OP)
>china will be a type 2 civilization before grand theft auto 6

>>507553501 (OP)
How many are actually connected to anything? How many work? Is it bigger than the graveyard of bicycles they have?

Pictured: the energy equivalent of all of germany covered in solar panels

>>507554084
Likely this. Why tf would you actually put up this man panels when a few spicy rocks will output way? Are chinks stupid?

>>507553501 (OP)
It's so fucking retarded to install solar panels on the ground, only the "leaders" of today can be so stupid

>>507554191
America was too busy importing 80iq beaners and niggers so elites could personally profit. Now the country collapses and will be divided up between actually productive nations.

>solar mentioned
here come the "enlightened" /pol/tards who have no money or expertise in energy coming to spew their factually incorrect opinions

>>507554168
when you have enough solar panels it becomes hard for the wind to whip up the solar panels
also they have other means of controlling the sand
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5ALK_K79DIw

>>507554168
these are chinese solar panels, pal. they are sturdy, durable, disciplined and great at math.

>>507553501 (OP)
no u

>>507554222
China's building those too. 8 per year.

>>507553501 (OP)
actually, i was wrong, there's around 720,000 panels in this picture

>>507554409
Ooh the dismissive “smarter than you while stating no opinion nor arguing any actual point” poster. How terribly common.

>>507554222
>>507554303
china has like 40% energy from renewables at this point so it’s not insignificant, they also have heaps of reactors. the problem is they have so many people that even though they make more renewable energy sources than the rest of the world it’s not enough

>>507553501 (OP)
Factorio lookin ass

>>507554697
China lies about everything.

solar panels are a psyop they re built with silver and there is only enough silver to make 20 yeras of solar panels for the whole world without counting the njeed of silver for others things. there is nothing durable or sustainable about this shit

>>507553501 (OP)
>we'll just cover the deserts with solar panels!
Beyond stupid.

>>507554868
they can make gold out of lead now, I'm sure silver can be made out of like granite or something lmao

>>507553501 (OP)
>>507554222
power plants always look so cool

Next we need to figure how to harness this virtually unlimited energy into fasttracked meat and plant produce.
Which is what agriculture and husbandry was all along of course. Probably will need it to create massive desalination projects, unfortunately that would still be bottle-necked by existing physical earth resources. If only we had replicators.

>>507553501 (OP)
>throws a single emp grenade

>>507554743
You’re responding to a chinese shill. He doesn’t care, and if he did, he wouldn’t say so for the sake of his family’s safety.

>>507554868
Not to mention the components are full of toxic shit you can’t just dump in a landfill - unless you’re China and don’t give a shit about poisoning your groundwater and soil. It has to be recycled and it’s expensive.

>>507554697
Over 60% is from coal plants, around 5% is nuclear. Another 12% is from hydro. If those 2024 stats are to believed (lol), that doesn't add up.

>>507553501 (OP)
>>pictured: 100,000 solar panels
Much green
So enviro-friendly

>>507554743
you can literally go look at the panels on google maps

>>507555281
so is this an AI bot that missed the pic is in a fucking desert or what

OH LOOK ITS THIS BOT POSTEF BULL SHIT AGAIN TO DRIVE UP AD REVENUE FOR HIROKIKE

sags it

>>507555281
China put those solar panels in a desert retard. You know, where it's sunny?
Could you give me one example where they clear-cut a forest to put up solar panels? I'll wait.
You fucking imbecile. I hope you fucking die.

>>507553501 (OP)
serious question: how do they keep the panels clean? Surely they constantly get covered in sad? Or are they on 10ft frames we just can't see from this angle?

>>507553501 (OP)
America has plenty of solar sites with 100000+ modules.

>>507555438
>in a fucking desert
Because they cut down the trees and it became a desert.

Chinks ruin everything. They are locusts.

>>507555115
Build an asteroid catcher, send the water to earth via the intergalactic pipeline

>>507554222
checked. oy vey that post is antisemetic!

Don't you know that nukes will kill everyone if we use nuclear power?!

>>507553501 (OP)
Terraforming is easy just drop billions of kudzu bombs on mars. You’re welcome.

>>507553501 (OP)
They can't maintain that shit, no one can

>>507553808
no, retard. It's not even 1 square kilometer. that's miniscule

>>507554168
>we turn sand into solar panels
>nature turns solar panels back into sand
the circle of life

>>507555725
>kilometer

>>507555615
>uploaded cinkchadyes.jpeg

>>507555505
Damn bro chill!!!
It's not that serous.

I read your post in a silly exaggerated Chinese accent btw.

>>507553501 (OP)
am I missing something here or is solar still a farce? 100k solar panel farm only covers the energy of what most people would call a town

>>507555811
lol btfo gg ez

>>507555878
Yeah China is doing it while Jews collapse the west for personal profit.

>>507555313
You can also see their empty cities. What's your point?

>>507555855
no fuck you misinformation faggots fuck you all i hope you mothers die in a fire

>>507554536
And they sell gutter oil, fake walnuts and dog meat

>>507554330
It's so fucking retarded to install solar panels on roofs. Ground mount is 1/3 the price once you factor in labor and fucking rapid shutdown devices. You also don't wreck your fucking roof. Even if your roof is fine now, will it still be in 25 years? If you ever need to put a new roof on all that solar up there is now e-waste.

Ground mount for the win, I have 25kw of ground mount solar at my house, did it all myself. $0.75/w.

I did a big ass 50 ft x 20 ft array, use it as a big ass shed but a shed like that is impossible to permit but solar is easy and its not taxed as a structure.

>>507553808
>>507554015
And the fuck do you care if the areas cools down or not niggers

>>507555725
>kilometer
YOO IRAN YOU MISSED ONE

>>507553501 (OP)
What would it take to generate a powerful hailstorm in this area? Silver iodide?

>>507556055
because solar cells lose efficiency the hotter they get pablo

>>507555941
i can get behind the idea of blame the jews for everything but it doesnt really apply to OP. surely solar would be more or at least as effective in american climates.
it just seems to be an awful waste of space, an 1/1 6th acre of potatoes is worth more than a solar panel

>>507553501 (OP)
Going by the tyre tracks in the sand, they’re bloody big too.
More going in on the right, unless they plan a desert vineyard.

>>507555115
O'Neill cylinders optimized for farming could produce a very stable output of both food and power.

>>507556112
Asking for a friend

>>507553970
>harnessing the tides and the earth's heat
So that we'd have no tides anymore and disrupt the ocean currents possibly destroying entire ecosystems and warping our climate even more?

>>507555878
Yes it's fairly shit because of the day-night cycle and the weather.
Ground based solar will never be a serious power source for this reason.
Space-based solar would be completely stable and would output about 1 gigawatt per square kilometre constantly, but that would require much better space infrastructure than we currently have.

>>507553501 (OP)
Solar Panels need cleaning several times a year and are prone to breaking. That is a massive waste.
Still better than the wind energy meme, I guess.

>>507554222
/thread

>>507556255
>So that we'd have no tides anymore and disrupt the ocean currents
Is that true? I doubt we could remove anywhere close to that much energy from the tides. It's important to at least estimate these things properly, not just talk shit.

>>507554409
China is energy efficent and i have aids

>>507556156
So? You want a synagogue instead on there?

>>507556429
>Space-based solar would be completely stable and would output about 1 gigawatt per square kilometre constantly, but that would require much better space infrastructure than we currently have.
what do you think is the main prohibitive factor as to why we dont have space solar?
ie delivery costs from space/startup costs to launch etc.

>>507556220
And when we drop the cows and chickens back to earth they’ll arrive pre cooked.
Drop them with veges and you get full roasts fro space.
Genius!

>>507554222
no one can explain why redditors keep pretending nuclear energy doesn't exist.

>>507556220
I get this idea but how would it ever be more prosperous than just farming on earth? our only source of dirt for plants is here. i guess more direct sunlight would benefit the plantgrowth but i cant see that making up for the costs of growing in 0g

>>507556640
it should be a pig farm so they put all the latinas there
also all of those will be trashed in 2 decades unlike a reactor

>>507556681
Launch costs for sure. It's only recently that launch costs have come down a lot, but they're still too high.
The power beaming side of things is more practical than most people think, but still hasn't been truly tested at scale.
We'd also need routine access to space for maintenance, or better yet a manned station at the power facility.
Basically our space access is still too primitive.

how effective is this really? one sand storm or gust of wind and half of them are defective or losing efficiency. why not just spam nuclear reactors everywhere like the russians are doing with rosatom. seems like a much better idea.

>>507553501 (OP)
lol

>>507556791
Oh you wouldn't grow them in zero-g, no way.
You'd spin the cylinder for earth-normal gravity.
You could combine it with a solar power beaming array to send power back to earth.
I mean this is just loose talk, we're decades away from anything like that.

>>507556816
>unlike a reactor
Anon it costed nothing to say you are a Nuclear Nigger instead of hating Solar panels

>>507553501 (OP)
China is still big gay for not pursuing nuclear more aggressively.

>>507556907
name a better power source then

>>507554697
>china has like 40% energy from renewables at this point
sure chang

>>507556834
hmm ok lets pretend we had a space elevator and it was wildly successful and had no issues, basically free to launch spacecraft.
you think we could generate solar at scale then?
>>507556899
sorry by zero g i just meant in space in general. same question stands about soil though.
i can imagine the soil being recycled and perfected but i cant imagine that being cheaper than on-earth farming until we look like a warhammer hiveworld

>>507556791
And of course you're right, the way we live now it would make absolutely no sense to grow food in space.
But if one day we have settlements on the Moon, on Mars, maybe elsewhere, it might become cheaper to have a little group of farm stations at the Earth-Moon L1 or L2 position, where they can easily send cargo loads to any of the colonized worlds.

>>507557012
go to Chernobyl and build another nuclear plant then

>>507554868
Such easy horseshit to debunk. Why do kikes always lie even when they can be found out so easily?

In 1kw of modern solar panels there is like $13 of silver.

We have enough silver if we were to source 100% of global electricity from solar it would consume like 3 years of mining capacity. Yeah, this would move the price a bit but its not like we would run out and never have any silver for anything else ever again or horseshit like that.

Also, I'm sitting on 30kg of silver so I wish this would happen.

But also the silver is only used because its slightly more efficient than alternatives. Copper can be used at a modest performance dip, and graphene can be used with an increase in performance but also an increase in cost. Microscopic copper spheres with a nanometer thick gold plating is also an option, about the same price as silver, slightly less efficient but longer lived.

>>507553501 (OP)
You can't terraform Earth. That's like saying you're making Earth Earth-like.

>>507557046
?looks about right to me. keep in mind "renewable" basically just means "not gas or coal generated". im seeing ¬57% of chinese energy came from coal in 2020. so 40% "renewable" makes sense

>>507553501 (OP)
Yeah just like the Combine lol

>>507556835
>why not just spam nuclear reactors everywhere
Because there are only a handful nuclear engineers at this point, the capacity to safely man that many nuclear power plants just doesn't exist... No one goes into that industry since the entire world has spent the last half century stifling it into irrelevance.

>>507557070
Yeah definitely. I can't remember the reference but I saw a paper that gave a pretty good argument that space-based solar would be competitive at a launch cost of $100/kg. We're at about $1000/kg right now I think.
Yes true about the soil question. You couldn't do any space farming without using soil that you obtain in space somehow, maybe made from regolith.
But if you assume a space elevator, planet-side farming will always be cheaper so perhaps there's little future for space industry aside from things you can only get in space (constant sunlight, no gravity)

>>507557162
do you have the full article that accompanies that picture? ill have to look at it sober...

>>507555169

More lies, only the flexible thin film solar panels have toxic shit in them these days. The only thing that may be in silicon solar panels is lead, in the solder for the tabs, but even this is uncommon as lead free solders are ubiquitous and are the norm for modern solar panel construction.

>>507556491
We obviously can't remove all tidal energy at the outset. The point is you are taking energy out of a closed system which means the systems that energy are feeding into will absolutely be affected.
Solar is the only source that's effectively limitless since it will exist until the sun is gone, at which point earth dies regardless.

>>507553501 (OP)
why chinks havent done picrel? are they retarded?

>>507557187
Remove the atmosphere from Earth to reduce launch costs

>>507553501 (OP)
chat gpt would know what terraforming means, they aren't shilling their best.

>>507554168
I do

>>507557492
why doesnt china just make bamboo farms?

>>507557347
>competitive at a launch cost of $100/kg. We're at about $1000/kg right now I think.
can we stick these theoretical solar satellites in a solar-synchronous orbit(words i made up) or will they be stuck in earths shadow sometimes while they orbit?
>But if you assume a space elevator, planet-side farming will always be cheaper so perhaps there's little future for space industry aside from things you can only get in space (constant sunlight, no gravity)
i love thinking about this stuff but also im still hesitant on space travel in general. not to make this a moon landing complex but fermi/drakeequation leans me towards fake space flat earthschizosism

>>507557366
I can't seem to find that exact article anymore but here's a different one that addresses it:
https://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2013/04/
The Farquhar Route lets you move between Moon, Earth, and Mars quite cheaply. L1 is almost as good as L2 and lets you stay in sight of Earth. Would have been a good location for the Lunar Gateway station.

>>507555878
I have 25kw of solar at my very large house. It more than covers 100% of our power needs including heat.

It cost about $19,000 to install. 10kw was put in about 15 years ago and is running strong, the remainder I put in last spring. Only problem I have had is the first inverter went out, but it was replaced under warranty.

I don't know why anyone on /pol/ that owns their home would want to keep paying the electric jew. I am grandfathered in on the 1 to 1 net metering, but even if I weren't batteries are cheap these days. My ROI was about 3 years.

>>507557714
>can we stick these theoretical solar satellites in a solar-synchronous orbit(words i made up)
Not a made up word at all, and yes that's exactly what we would do. Spy satellites often use these orbits, to pass over the same location at the same solar time, so that the shadows are always the same for easy comparison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-synchronous_orbit
I believe that the solution to the Fermi Paradox is that every inhabited planet has jews

>>507557800
What sort of batteries do you use? I've been meaning to put in solar for the last couple of years but have hesitated.

>>507557179
its a safe energy source when niggers (see: mirror) actively trying to fuck with the reactor to see what happens arnt running it
youre just some moron who hasent done any research who gets all of his info from shit like the simpsons
yeah its unsafe in the way that leaving your house unlocked in your hometown is unsafe meaning entirely human error and not actively dumping a bunch of carcinogens in the air you breath
there were literally people living in the exclusion zone before the monkey war who were fine as long as they didnt go inside the reactor building

>>507557800
>100%
So you have a way to store the power too? Where do you live. I like solar for personal use because you can adapt your usage to it, but it suck ass 8 months of the year in Canada.

>>507553501 (OP)
It's factorio but the engineer is a bug too.

>>507557800
>It cost about $19,000 to install
lets pray electrical costs rise in your area because I dont think even i would pay 19k in my lifetime (T. my province sells USA the cheapest hydro/nuclear electricty while charging locals the highest prices)
>>507557886
>Not a made up word at all
i am so smart, SMRT
>I believe that the solution to the Fermi Paradox is that every inhabited planet has jews
unironically the conclusion ive come to as well. maybe not specifically jews but an interstellar version of generational parasite.
as i understand evolution/biology its easier to make a parasite than a producer

>>507558000
Very cool, are the even hooked up to anything?

>>507557179
Chernobyl is max comfy

>>507554222
Thats because germany is a cloudy cold place you retard

>>507555016
>they can make gold out of lead now
It was an unstable form that degenerated within hours

>>507553808
bruh. Solar panels are black. They absorb sunlight and get hot.

>>507553970
Deserts are already an ecosystem. What we need to stop is desertification of more land. Best way to do that is to cull humanity

>>507557179
hey look i found your family there

>>507558198
Yes I think they were just demonstrate a new collision technique in a fun way that would get headlines.

>>507555505
Mao cut down over 90% of Chinas forests during his insane jew backed dictatorship
He was a one man ecocidal machine of death

>>507557800
>>507558075
i lied ill pay 20k in electrical every 15 years. still hefty but a worthwhile investment

>>507555515
SO CLEAN
SO NICE
YOU BUY

>>507553501 (OP)
>Create the worlds largest landfill
Fucking bugs

>>507555515
I dont see this as an issue, if we can irrigate crops in the same acreage we can clean panels

>>507558367
Canadian rupees though.

>>507558000
imagine being the old chinese man they send out during winter, hunched over with some ancient chinese version of the broom who's design hasn't changed in thousands of years

night time, the soft intermittent falling of fluffy snow clumbs

grandpa change, he slowly sweeps off snow from a 20x40 foot solar panel

then moves on to the next one
>only 3,458 more to go
>then i's be free

>>507553808
>5 degrees cooler
30C is not any habitable from 35C

>>507558482
yeah ofc, speculative that our dollar holds against the american

>>507558235
>Deserts are already an ecosystem
one that's good for nothing, except housing solar farms. case in point, the need to stop their expansion because they're overwhelmingly useless, and we already have more than enough for solar up the ass

>>507557800
>I am grandfathered in on the 1 to 1 net metering
This is the key sentence. Boomers have themselves "grandfathered" into everything. The rest of you can eat shit. I can't wait for this shit world to collapse and for the rich and elderly to get eaten by their brown golem they brought here to make money off of.

>>507558456
world's largest TOXIC landfill

>>507558590
Fuck solar it's gay

>>507557509
So we'd live on the abyssal plains in domes and cover the former landmasses with solar panels right?
What about the aliens down there, do you think they'd sabotage human ascendancy?

>>507558877
>So we'd live on the abyssal plains in domes and cover the former landmasses with solar panels right?
Definitely
>What about the aliens down there, do you think they'd sabotage human ascendancy?
They could try, but without the oceans to hide in I don't like their chances.

>>507558964
ignore possibility; if push comes to shove would you rather potatoes to eat or electricity for your pleasure

>>507553501 (OP)
>>507553726
>>507553808
Imagine if the US wasn't owned by big oil and didn't think the green energy was a scam this is what nevada,arizona, and new mexico could look like.

>>507559136
Definitely potatoes
Electricity is fun but so are potatoes

>>507559193
unironically, no conspiracy, no joke, if big oil focused only on energy generation and not consumer plastics it would be a win for everyone
>b-b-b-b--b-but plastics are just a byproduct
i dont care
>>507559277
based i was testing if you were an ideologue.
nuclear energy thoughts?

>>507559193
solar energy is a very costly meme

nuclear and hydroelectric are better in every way

>>507559387
>nuclear energy thoughts?
I'm all for it
Current reactor tech is just fine and deserves better support.
I don't know if thorium reactors are a meme or not but at least they're worth looking into

>>507557714
Your made up term is close this is normally called a sun synchronous orbit, and it is a thing; its also called earth sun L1 its about 4x farther from us than the moon, its where your balanced between the gravity of the earth and sun. But that orbit is so far away that it costs much much more to launch to it because the same rocket can only send a small fraction of a normal payload. Usually this orbit is only used for specific science missions.

Not that it really matters much, once your at a medium orbit your only in the shade about 4% of the time, and if you get your inclination and timing right it can be 0 because you can do the orbit so its like a sign wave up and down and you can arrange it so that your only in front of the earth when your near the equator and when your behind the earth you are above or below the shadow.

Now if you were retarded you could do a LEO equatorial orbit and that would be 40% shaded.

In orbit you have about 40% more energy because the atmosphere attenuates that much power on earth. Possibly your panels could last longer because no weather, absolutely they could be lighter because no need for glass and frames and shit.

All that said, orbital beamed power is mostly a meme, the power density is 1/4 that of solar anyhow. Even if you presume you have 80% efficient rectification of that power its still vastly more costly than solar + battery. The receiving sites need to be more than a half mile in diameter its not like you can just pick up the power anywhere it would take major infrastructure to receive it.

Possibly useful for military operations where they blow past safety levels or extremely high latitudes where solar power is limited but its not something that will power the world because for most everywhere solar + battery storage would be far cheaper.

And honestly I think orbital mirrors pointing more sunlight at solar fields is more likely but I'm sure the astronomers and wild life folk would flip their shit over that.

>>507559641
>Possibly your panels could last longer because no weather, absolutely they could be lighter because no need for glass and frames and shit.
You might even be able to use different and tougher tech altogether
There is some research on thermionic power generation for space. Basically concentrate the solar heat onto a grid of wires and boil off electors, like a reverse vacuum tube. Only works in vacuum. Should be pretty robust

>>507559641
Ill admit i dont fully understand this but this is what I took from it;
>power might be generated more efficiently from orbit but would cost too much to transfer to the ground for use

>>507553501 (OP)
I don't think you know what terraforming means

>>507559641
>the power density is 1/4 that of solar anyhow
Damn, are the beaming losses that bad? I didn't realize.

i thought of a solution as to what to do with all of the used fuel rods

>>507560237
OPEN THE HATCH!

>>507557937
>>507557979

1 to 1 net metering means I have a power hook up, I send power to the grid and get to pull power from the grid, every watt I send in is a watt I can pull out later without paying for it. They ended that a while ago, new hook ups you can use solar power for your own use for free obviously, but if you send extra power back they only pay you $0.03/kwh and when you use power at night or whatever you pay them $0.11/kwh which sucks.

Anyone could just put in a little solar to make the base load of freezers and shit.

There are smart appliances hvac, freezers, water heaters etc. that know to use up more power when your making solar and use little when your not.

You can over size the solar install and just eat the bad price differential, my ROI was 3 years but even if you over sized I think you can have an ROI of 10.

Or you can do batteries. My brother has an LG Smart home 8 battery but there are lots of brands and shit. I would recommend installing them on fence posts a few ft away from your house if you have a roof install or under the panels if its ground mount as I would be scared of the batteries catching fire, which is rare but has been known to happen.

Battery systems are about $200/kwh, or about $100/kwh if you go super cheap and DIY something.

If you used the average 30kwh per day at your home, 10 of that would be during good solar hours, so you would need about 20kwh of batteries so $4,000 another 1-2k if you need an electrician to set it all up.

I have a generator and solar no batteries but if I did not have my net good metering deal I would get batteries and probably disconnect the grid all together.

>>507558230
they turn the warmth into electricity
>>507558513
it can make all the difference and create pressure differentials which effect weather patterns

>>507560679
>There are smart appliances hvac, freezers, water heaters etc. that know to use up more power when your making solar and use little when your not.
Im scared of these new appliances for this reason. what stops them from using a ton of power instead of a little?

I swear the collective IQ of a thread drops at least 30 points when it's about China doing something right
>>507555515
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GwMvGU5uKXE

>>507560800
Not really. They turn some mostly visible light into electricity. One of the major problems with PV panels is that their efficiency falls dramatically as they heat up, and most of the energy absorbed is just turned into heat that it has to radiate away.
I had a thought recently about these massive meme panels. People put them on their roofs, so why not clad their backs in partially insulated heat pipes going into an active water cooling system like solar thermal panels have that can be used to provide hot water with the otherwise detrimental heat energy? It could even be used to heat the house during the winter.
I suppose the industry is just allergic to shit that actually works and provides a practical benefit.

>>507560129
No its a safety thing, this is the max that cant really harm humans and animals from internal microwave heating and even that is well past any occupational limits for prolonged rf exposure.

If you don't give a shit about safety, like military use you could get power densities higher than solar but probably still not high enough to do something like power a warship even if you used the entire deck to receive the power.

Now all that said, yes the power density is 1/4 solar, but it could be 24/7 with multiple satellites.

On the other side of the argument solar is not full power all day. Where I live we get 4 solar hours per day, meaning 1kw of solar panels would make an average of 4kwh of power in a day and this is skewed to the summer.

A space based solar receiving station would get full power 24 hours a day. So 1kw of receiving capacity would get 24kw of power in a day. So it would be more land efficient than solar + batteries but the costs would still be much higher because building and launching satellites is exclusive and the equipment to receive and rectify that power on earth is expensive.

Also, this system absolutely would have dual use as a city killing weapon so there's geopolitical concerns as well.

>>507561532
There are a couple companies selling the hybrid pv thermal panels you describe. Got some problems though. Solar heat panels typically heat the water up to near boiling levels, which is useful in reducing losses for pumping.

Photovoltaic panels want to be cool, liquid cooling them could make sense in some scenarios but typically the added cost is less than just adding more panels and not worrying about the efficiency drop from heat.

So if you make a hybrid heat + pv panel your pv wants to be as cold as possible, but you water wants to be as hot as possible, just not a very good mix.

Solar hot water is an excellent thing, used to be common in the US before the 1930's and is still common across the world. But just have water panels and pv panels as separate, combining them is more expansive than both independently and does a worse job at both things than each separately.

Possibly worth it if your extremely space constrained, like a tiny home or something.

>>507561599
>could be 24/7 with multiple satellites.
That's the selling point, even if the efficiency isn't that great. Baseload power you can rely on.
In practice it may never be cost effective on Earth. Maybe for a Mars colony so you don't have to obtain fissile fuel.

>>507559193
Solar is gay and it covers our beautiful natural environment with hideous panels

>>507560801
the goal of elon musk's current business, solar city, is to convince people to buy and install these types of roofs, and he is using tesla's battery to store the power and sell it back to the electric company at peak rates

>>507558000
dystopian

>>507553501 (OP)
> His smile and desert biome: gone

>>507553501 (OP)
That's crazy shit. Guess a single party non jewish state really gets things done.

>>507553501 (OP)
Soulless bug freaks
>should we reduce the population? Maybe let's not have 1 billion insects on this small piece of land?
>NO, cover the entire land with trash to produce power to feed 2 billion insects

>>507561532
Im guessing pumping the cold water up to the roof will cancel all the benefits you think you produce with this.
You will end up with the same electric bill if not worse.

>>507563652
Perhaps combining it with a water heating system would work. The water circulates convectively around the system.

>>507557800
its profitable for private persons because its subsidized. even then there's an elevated risk of fires. They now decided to start charging people for generating an excess of energy too because the entire electric network is overburdened. they decided everyone has to use electric stoves, drive electric cars etc. without upgrading the electric network first.

>>507564294
oh and additionally, they force nuclear power plants to charge the same price of their power as other sources of power because they would destroy those other sources of power since they wouldnt be profitable.

>>507553501 (OP)

Explain how those pieces of shit recycle? Next explain their failure let's suggest simple weather like a dust storm, and high temperature or cold temperatures? Their lifetime. They haven't terraform anything. They've literally cause mountains of waste from their habits. Those habits need more electricity. Not less. It doesn't care about waste. Simple usage. Where it can make more and liter them everywhere.

This topic is autistic

>>507564791
It's all to prop up their shit dead in 5 years and are now e waste panel industry. I honestly wish these kikes that run the world would just go "yeah we are taking your money cause you suck" instead of having to pretend global economies are real with ghost cities, bridges to nowhere, AI omg next tech wave lies and make believe jobs like assistant to the human resources sub manager at delivery app number 49. I'd take it on the chin better than this gay fake bullshit.

>>507564294
For me, I agree, it would not be as profitable if I did not have the 1 to 1 net metering. And when I first installed solar my state needed more solar because peak solar hours did well to counter the demand at those hours. So 1 to 1 was good for the power company as it directly lowered their peak demand costs, and solar grid tie customers would use most of their power on off peak hours.

But as more solar came online the usefulness of that power for the grid has diminished and now we get what they call the duck curve, a normal grid really likes about 15% of its total power from solar, but it has a hard time handling more than about 30% of power from solar. So I understand them ceasing to offer 1 to 1 net metering when it no longer benefits them.

>>507564791
Temperature and dust don't destroy the panels. The real risk is bad hail, and depending on engineering strong enough wind.

Mostly so far they have been landfilled, sometimes with the aluminum being scrapped. These panels last about 30 years and there are not all that many large solar installations hitting end of life being torn down yet. Older panels had more silver, like $22/panel or so and if silver prices go up so will the scrap value. The aluminum scrap value currently is somewhere around $4.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g694X7rpctk

With more panels hitting end of life solar scrapping will pick up and in 10 years I imagine almost all panels will be recycled.

>>507555558
>Because they cut down the trees and it became a desert.
It's Gobi desert, you dumb fucking mutt.

>>507553501 (OP)
100000 solar panels vs 1 hailstorm. Who would win ?

>>507553501 (OP)
we are so fucked as a civilization if we can't figure out fusion or nuclear in a way to replace fossil fuels, solar panels placed on as much unused building surfaces and vehicles as possible

>>507565842
Temperature can delaminate and or break all these shit chink panels and they also drop in efficiency the hotter they get over like 32ish c. All recycling is a myth where its nothing but people sending trash to the middle of nowhere to be beaten on with rocks by niggers to extract 10 cents of rare earth minerals and the rest lit on fire. Also I doubt anyone at anytime is gonna find a way to recycle the lead in the panels and fluorocarbons used in production at any scale and break even. Germany was you faggots test bed for all this gay shit and despite using all this nonsense they average double the co2 per capita than france who just built a fuck ton of reactors.

>>507553501 (OP)
That is a ma...rs.

>>507553501 (OP)
>China is terraforming the planet
At what cost?

>>507566255
the desert

>>507553808
>solar panels
>cooling effect
pick one

>>507566255
The least dumb moldovanin.

>>507553501 (OP)
Factorio IRL

>>507553726
cringe. solar is a meme energy source

>>507553808
>>507553970
Goddamn, I wished I were this childishly naive again

Solar panels have a 25 year lifespan and take 15 years to pay for themselves

>>507554084
And any concrete used in foundations is cardboard too.

>>507553808
>>507553501 (OP)
not to shit on their parade, but whose gonna clean this shit in the middle of desert

>>507558000
utopian

>>507553970
>the sun only points at deserts

>>507553501 (OP)
when I wished for this planet to get glassed this wasn't what I had in mind

>>507555811
only you and the philipines use IMPERIAL
lol
roflmao

NO KANGZ INDEED

>>507555515
You think they lay them on the ground?
They're on tiltable stands to track the sun.

>>507553501 (OP)
have to renew them every twenty years

>>507553501 (OP)
One nuclear plant would probably give out more power than every visible solar panel in that picture, combined. Solar panels are a fucking eye soar, and we better alternatives as I just alluded to.

>>507554743
But lying is a sin