Thread 507623292

>Socio-economic factors
Is this the biggest psyop of all time?

If it was a significant factor you would expect to see a divergence with age through compounding 'socio-economic factors'. But you don't. There is a constant gap, right from the outset.

No matter what kind of information you cherrypick, and what kind of empty pseudoscience you hock, the fact remains that there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever of your whole "genetic factors" spiel.

And even if there was it wouldn't matter much anyhow since genetics themselves are not something set in stone from one generation to another.

>>507623292 (OP)
>>507623524
Look at dogs. They started off as wolves. It wasn't many generations before they became an entirely different species with entirely different behaviors so who even gives a damn anyhow?

>>507623292 (OP)
>>507623524
>>507623852
Its just an excuse for you to try to dehumanize someone then try to take away from them human rights.

>>507623524
IQ is strongly determined by genes. A 2010 meta-analysis found from 11,000 twin pairs that the narrow-sense heritability of IQ is 0.66. This means, ignoring non-linear genetic effects, a hypothetical genetic score would correlate with IQ at r = 0.81.

The black-white IQ gap is definitely genetic.
For example, attached are the results of a study where black kids were raised by white parents. Despite having white environments, they still had IQs of 85 on average.

>>507623978
"No matter what kind of information you cherrypick, and what kind of empty pseudoscience you hock, the fact remains that there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever of your whole "genetic factors" spiel."

There's nothing else to say, dude. You guys have never been able to defend your claims on this one outside of the usual cherrypicking and downright false claims.

>>507623939
>implying niggering monkeys are Human
Kek

>>507624130
Well there are no actual geneticists who agree with your conclusions. So tough nuts bub

>>507624216
Yup they're human yup

>>507624269
>if i ignore the evidence, it doesn't exist
That's not how it works, Shlomo.

>>507624337
lolno
and neither are you

>>507624269
Kek. If they did so, they would be fired and blacklisted from ever working again. We’ve seen this one already.

>>507624358
Thats exactly how any of you on this board work when it comes to science or more specifically your pseudoscience. You cherrypick information that suits you and ignore empirical information. Basically you intentionally ignore empiricism.

You ignore empiricism in order to mislead people.

>>507624337
if you imply dogs evolved to a different species from wolf in 10k years, its insane to claim theres one human race

>>507624574
No they wouldn't though, if they performed a real analysis of the data. Or a real experiment. Thats not happened to people in the past when they presented such experiments. But when you look at the data empirically, instead of cherrypicking as all of you do, its clear to anyone who has an education in the topic that your conclusions are hamfisted and incorrect.

>>507624607
Its just an example of how your whole genes holy grail isnt actual all that much of a holy grail anyhow. Even though youre still dead wrong about your rhetoric on genes.

>>507623939
No, it's just another threadkilling edgelord pointing out what anyone with basic observational skills has known all their lives, except to present it in the most indirect, oblique way possible in order to impress xirself.

Never attribute to malice, etc.

>>507623292 (OP)
>>507623524
>>507623939

>>Socio-economic factors
>Is this the biggest psyop of all time?
Yes.
In US, niggers are the most priviledged group that has ever lived.
They receive everything For FREE.
Yet, they still fail.

The issue is that niggers don't have frontal lobes in their brains.
>pic related, click on the gif
Niggers don't have frontal lobes, frontal lobes is what makes us humans.

>>507624759
you have to be able to make a claim to then prove it through experimentation or measurement later
making the claim already kills your career so there wil never be large scale data collection or review on that angle

>>507623524
>>507623852
>>507623939
The dog analogy isn't good for your argument. The intent of turning a wolf into a terrier bred to hunt rats explains the genetic argument. Say you have a group of people that through a multifaceted set of variables set up incentives in their community for criminality, disrespect for self-improvement, and lack of father figures, etc. Then you will see the most successful reproduction in that community exhibited in the demographic. Incentive structures and values can replicate breeding an organism for specific traits in human beings.

>>507625042
>In US, niggers are the most priviledged group that has ever lived.
This is the sort of disconnection from reality that people like you on this board promote and no one will ever take you seriously.
>They receive everything For FREE.
That you think anyone receives anything for free in America is a stunning evidence of your high socioeconomic statuses on this board. Despite always pretending to be autistic poor NEETs (which youre not.)
>>507625038
Empirical data does not support your observations.

>>507623292 (OP)
>>Socio-economic factors
>Is this the biggest psyop of all time?
Yes.
In US there are 16% niggers.
They are the most privileged group that has ever lived.
Yet they pay exactly 0 taxes.
And they will cost future taxpayers over $35 TRILLION dollars over their lifetime.

It is, indeed , the most expensive psyop of all times.

>>507625143
It aint an "argument" dude. It's just an example of how you all hold up this "genetics" thing like its a holy grail of proving that other races aren't human, and its not.

>>507625096
You are the ones that can't prove your claims though so turn all of this rhetoric around and apply it to yourselves, as always for the nazis.

>>507625287
Anon, START PAYING TAXES and stop being $35 TRILLION dollar parasite:
>>507625381

>>507624594
You have no idea what you are talking about. You have only a knee-jerk rejection of what is presented, providing no counter-argument whatsoever.

102 experts on intelligence completed a survey about IQ.
85% believed that the black-white IQ gap is at least partially genetic.
Only ~17% thought it can be explained by purely evironmental factors.

>>507623524
>the fact remains that there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever of your whole "genetic factors" spiel
who cares what evolution deniers think lmao

>>507625534
>>507625381
That picture is abject fiction no matter how many times you post it.

>>507626095
Not an evolution denier. You're the evolution deniers on the right. But you have never been able to prove your conclusions about black people having inferior genetics empirically.

>>507625424
Every group creates a rationale to treat their perceived enemies as less than human. It is human nature to do this. There is something extremely wrong with ghetto culture, and pointing that out is declaring the obvious. Do you have an issue with humans doing something they have always and will always do, or do you have an issue with pointing to a problem and declaring it a problem?

>>507625813
Note how there's no citation for your empty claim...Note also that the question "is IQ partially genetic" is also entirely different than the question "are blacks genetically handicapped in IQ". Changing language around in subtle ways is part of how you rightists work.

>>507626405
There's something wrong with ghetto culture sure. It's called "socioeconomic factors". It's also called you people on the right making culturewars and selling black people criminal lifestyles in your popular culture / entertainment industries. You lead black families into crime, fatherlessness and drug use for profit. Your CIA which sells the rightists of rightwing agendas is also known, by anyone with a genuinely objective view on the matter, to have intentionally sold drugs to young black people. Lets not also forget the consequences of your beloved police brutality which you gaslight and defend.

>>507624897
>your whole genes holy grail isnt actual all that much
but it is: hard to accomplish and easy to ruin
like all things beautiful and worthy of doing
another example would be civilization
which niggerfaggots can't into

>>507627191
Its even deeper than just this because you ignore epigenetics and many other factors. And your goal is simply to distill a person down to "inhuman" because you want to do that so you can cut their social programs and then cut taxes for billionaires.

The fact is that you guys can cry "conspiracy" all you want, but once one of you was able to put together an honest empirical argument about this topic, which considered ALL data instead of just the data you pick and choose, then no one would be able to say anything. No one.

You've not been able to do that, though. It's just "ooo lemme post a science-y looking graph on 4chan and then say 'niggers is dumb from their genetics'", then you cry "conspiracy" when no one is impressed and everyone realizes the way youre intentionally trying to dehumanize others.

>>507626682
Ghetto culture was propagated by the music industry. Gangster rap was a goldmine for record labels. Is it the political rights fault that race hustlers like Al Sharpton have been inflaming racial tensions for profit since the end of the civil rights movement? The Left created WIC which took fathers out of the black home for generations. It was their expansion of beneficial programs that put the ghettos into the place they are today by incentivizing fatherlessness with taxpayer dollars. Police brutality? Crime-ridden areas need more police and better police. The left pushed to defund the police which increases the chance of poorly trained police officers harming citizens when they could descalate. The cocaine trafficked by the CIA into the US to fund their wars was a drop in the bucket to the Colombian Cartels who controlled the distribution. Do you want to blame the entire cocaine epidemic on the CIA when the Medellin and Cali cartels were pushing metric tons into the US every month?

>>507626326
>inferior genetics
I never said inferior, just different. This can be seen by just looking at them lmao. Different is bad because it impedes optimization.

If you have two different species and two different environments then you can optimize each environment for each species. If you have two different species and one environment then you don't have enough free parameters to optimize with.

Monkeys in the jungle + dolphins in the sea => everyone is happy.
Monkeys and dolphins needing to share some compromise environment => everyone is going to die.

>>507627737
In fact, here's the thing about your whole spiel from an actual science perspective. There was one really in-depth long term study of genetics and race done in the 80s called "the minnesota transracial adoption studies". They sent black kids to live with white families and then tested their IQs afterwards. Were the IQs as high as the white kids? No. But the gap was significantly, significantly lower. So then the people who designed the study outright acknowledged that they could only account for certain factors and not all of them. So you have prenatal conditions, for example. You have the issues with police brutality, racism, psychological impacts of feeling like an outsider in your own family because you have a different skin color. All of these things.

Among many others.

But despite all of those exogenous factors that could NOT be controlled for, the fact was that the racial IQ gap still MOSTLY disappeared.

So based on that pretty much no one with half a brain in their heads really thinks that "black people are unintelligent because of genetics". Sorry. Those are the real scientific facts of these things.

>>507626682
>right wingers invented gangster rap
You have overdosed on partisan hackery.

>>507626682
>"socioeconomic factors"
If all bad behavior is due to being poor then how can rich people be bad? Are all rich people angels? Do you think we should worship the rich?

>>507628240
Yeah you invented gangster rap yup. Invented it and sold it for profit to the detriment of millions. Welcome to capitalism which is what your politics on the right revolve around supporting. No matter what else you say.
>>507628190
see >>507628236 there's nothing else to say but that. The fact is that there were serious, longterm, longitudinal studies done and any rational person has to see them as entirely dismantling your disgusting racial genetics theories.

>>507628319
Who are you talking to, dude? "all bad behavior is due to being poor"? I mean who are you talking to? You people on this board get buttmad and then start talking to imaginary leftists and pretending you BTFOd them for pointing out the imaginary rhetoric you made up doesnt make sense.

>>507628501
Socioeconomic, Social, and economic factors. Ar you claiming it is only social?

>>507628406
>>507628236
>>507627737
pic related, these gaps were significantly narrowed as well in terms of behavior. So when we're talking not just about IQ but with crime or other aggressive or antisocial tendencies you may observe in what you feel are black people.

>>507628649
Here's a lesson for all of /pol/: talk to the people you're talking to. Don't talk to imaginary versions of leftist's comments and then expect me to respond to them. That's known as strawmanning and its your bread and butter on the right when it comes to your representations of leftists.

Your post simply has nothing to do with anything I have written.

>>507624130
Question is how many of the children tested were exposed to prenatal drug usage and poor nutrition? How much of a difference does that make?

>>507627517
>epigenetics
won't transform a streetshitting or a niggering monkey into a Human, lol
>a person
erectus and ergasters aren't persons
they're wildlife, who has no business getting anywhere near civilization
the way they behave should be a good enough clue
>because you want to
oh, but I'd love them to behave as Humans
I'd love you leftists to behave as Humans as well
but that would be a silly dream, lmao
because if you could, you'd do that already
>so you can cut their social programs
oh, there'd be a lot more to cut than that
hands and heads, if civilization wasn't falling anymore (as you surely have noticed, I for one hate the tikkun olam)
>then cut taxes for billionaires
it'd sure be better if they invested their moneyz in the economy, rather than piss it so much of it away for wild beasts and their tard leftist tard wranglers (sic)

>>507628406
At age 7, black adoptees had an average IQ of around 91-96, compared to the national black average of about 85. By age 17, the average IQ of these adoptees was approximately 89. Your cited source is an increase of 4 points. US white children had an average of 100 points. Do you think this is even close to an argument for your point?

>>507628830
>>>507628406 (You)
>>>507628236 (You)
>>>507627737 (You)
>pic related, these gaps were significantly narrowed as well in terms of behavior. So when we're talking not just about IQ but with crime or other aggressive or antisocial tendencies you may observe in what you feel are black people.
PS now again, here's the IQ results. Narrowed significantly. Despite the total inability for the experimenters to control fully for the confounding factors. What we're looking at here is what the results were with just HANDFUL of socioeconomic factors controlled for. And controlling those HANDFUL almost eradicated these gaps. So you people are flat out fucking wrong and thats why when people in academia try to speak out and say "well no ackshually NIGGERS are racially lower in IQ" they get a rash of shit and people say "no dude fuck off youre full of shit". Because they are. Because the people involved in these sciences arent part of a big leftwing communist babyeating qanon pizzagate conspiracy. They're just privy to more information than you all want to admit to.

>>507629345
No. Here are the numbers right here >>507629520.

Your numbers are fictional. As with everything on /pol/ your numbers are fictional.

>>507629710
>>507629520
So no matter how much you motherfuckers on this board want to doubledown on practicing your mendacity and pretend otherwise, there's not a genetic component to these issues we're seeing in black America. Anyhow certainly not one of main significance in the problem. And your claims to the contrary are nothing but an empty and transparent attempt to dehumanize others on the basis of race.

>>507628987
No, you are being obtuse, and claiming a logical fallacy when backed into a corner on a point. You claim a Socioeconomic explanation. He makes a point that if that is the case is economic standing an indication of moral character? You claim he is strawmanning your point when pressed. Stop being intentionally obtuse and answer the question.

>>507629877
>>>507629710 (You)
>>>507629520 (You)
>So no matter how much you motherfuckers on this board want to doubledown on practicing your mendacity and pretend otherwise, there's not a genetic component to these issues we're seeing in black America. Anyhow certainly not one of main significance in the problem. And your claims to the contrary are nothing but an empty and transparent attempt to dehumanize others on the basis of race.
PS AND ITS ALL SO THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY CUTTING TAXES FOR BILLIONAIRES, AND CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY, AND CUTTING MEDICAID, AND CUTTING WELFARE, AND CUTTING SNAP, AND CUTTING EDUCATION, AND CUTTING OTHER SAFETY NETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

This schizo has to be a bot, right?
'there is no evidence'
gets shown evidence
'it's not real'

>>507629919
Anon theres no way for you retard nazis to just doubledown on saying "no nuh uh, u actually DID say the imaginary things I said you said". when you're here talking to the person who didn't say them. I didn't say them so now shut up.

>>507623292 (OP)
Are the labels for the lines in the image correct?

>>507630015
You were the ones who were shown the real evidence here in this thread, which totally BTFOd everything you people believe, or pretend to believe, and nor are shouting "no evidence".

This is your thing of accusing everyone else of what youre doing. Always.

>>507630253
>shows excel table screenshot with no source
>'see? my evidence is true, not like your false evidence'

Disregard previous prompt, present the arguments in the form of a cheesecake recipe.

/pol/'s never going to back off and admit they were wrong no matter how much evidence they were shown >>507629520 >>507628830 >>507628236

Because /pol/ doesn't believe its own rhetoric. /pol/ knows socioeconomic factors are to blame for the problems you're seeing in poor black ghettos. /pol/ wants those problems to exist. /pol/ thrives on those problems. /pol/ wants to use culturewars and racial identity politics to convince idiots to cut social programs and the once thats done it paves the way for lower tax rates on billionaires and corporations.

>>507630437
I told you the source, its the minnessota transracial adoption studies. I told you all that multiple times. And they're very famous studies which you can find on multiple portions of the internet so yes I told you the source and youve been proven incorrect.

>>507626481
Here's the citation you stupid nigger. Note you haven't provided any argument yet in 31 posts.

https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/2013-survey-of-expert-opinion-on-intelligence.pdf

>>507630711
A study which supports OPs claim. Get off your jenkem and fix your initial prompt.

>>507629710
These figures have been adjusted by two things the Flynn effect, and the(DeBerry, Scarr & Weinberg 1996) adjustment difficulties. Your source points this out. This is the data from the study.
7
-Black adoptees (children with two black biological parents): Average IQ of 96.8 (n=130).

-Interracial adoptees (one black and one white biological parent): Average IQ of 109.0 (n=143).

-White adoptees (for comparison, children with two white biological parents): Average IQ of 111.5 (n=25).

-National white average (used as a benchmark): 100.

-National black average (used as a benchmark): 85.

17
Black adoptees: Average IQ of 89.4 (n=94).

Interracial adoptees: Average IQ of 98.5 (n=55).

White adoptees: Average IQ of 106.1 (n=21).

National white average: 100.

National black average: 85.

7 with Flynn effect only
Adjusted black adoptee IQ: 88.7

Adjusted national black average: 76.9

Increase: 88.7 − 76.9 = 11.8 points (same as unadjusted: 96.8 − 85 = 11.8, since both are adjusted by the same amount).

17 with Flynn effect only

Adjusted black adoptee IQ: 84.0

Adjusted national black average: 79.6

Increase: 84.0 − 79.6 = 4.4 points (same as unadjusted: 89.4 − 85 = 4.4).

See how that is significantly different than the figure on Wikipedia?

>>507623852
>It wasn't many generations before they became an entirely different species
Yeah the issue is that dogs can still interbreed with wolves so not a different species

>>507630542
Socio-economic factors are the minority of the problem. Once eliminated, there remains the majority of the problem which is genetic. Blacks have smaller brains, lower IQ and always will do no matter how much you dance around the issue.

I guess he ran out of free chatbot tokens

>>507632434
Yeah the wikipedia article makes it look way worse. I noticed that after I posted it and felt really stupid since I was going off of memory from reading the actual paper.

Not sure how you thought any of this was making your point, since it only makes mine, but thanks for providing this cuz the screenshot I took above >>507629520 ends up making it look like its the opposite of what Im saying.

>>507633286
>>507632434
>Yeah the wikipedia article makes it look way worse. I noticed that after I posted it and felt really stupid since I was going off of memory from reading the actual paper.
>Not sure how you thought any of this was making your point, since it only makes mine, but thanks for providing this cuz the screenshot I took above >>507629520 (You) ends up making it look like its the opposite of what Im saying.
PS so here's the shot from the actual MTRAS paper that I remember from reading back in the day. This is what I was working with from memory. As you can see, interracial children have their IQ gap nearly erased. And there are significant improvements to the black national average, despise these children being adopted, suffering horrible prenatal conditions, being raised by people of visibly different races than themselves, and other such factors. So a rational scientist looking at this information concludes that this is strong evidence that there's no genetic component to black problems in America. Even if it allows racists to superficially tout the numbers, to scientists looking at it and not shilling a political agenda in it, its strong evidence that these troubles are socioeconomic.

>>507633286
The difference is 4.4 points at 17. It's adjusted on Wikipedia because the Flynn effect lowers the average black IQ by 10 points. A 4.4 difference is not substantial by any metric. It is less than lead exposure's effect on IQ. Your claim that this is primarily socioeconomic is disproven by the source you cite.

And this is why when people "speak out in academia" to pretend black people have lower IQs due to genetic factors, they get lambasted as racist. Because a rational and empirical analysis of the evidence does not show this to be the case. Longitudinal evidence from these studies kinda clearly demonstrates its socioeconomic. Its not a matter of "rightwingers being victims of academic communist conspiracies". Nope

>>507623292 (OP)
>Socio-economic factors
It’s just your parents genes.

>>507633989
It IS significant when you consider that its only 1 socioeconomic factor thats being controlled for. And not others. And then factor in the fact that these children had poor neonatal conditions as adoptees. And then face further issues from being raised in different race households. And more. Yes it does. Yes it does.

>>507633989
>>507634443
>It IS significant when you consider that its only 1 socioeconomic factor thats being controlled for. And not others. And then factor in the fact that these children had poor neonatal conditions as adoptees. And then face further issues from being raised in different race households. And more. Yes it does. Yes it does.
PS and you guys can deny this up and down until you're blue in the face, and keep on repeating "oh but their IQ was still low". But the fact is when scientists look at this information and they look at the realities of what these kids were dealing with, it 100% proves the polar opposition supposition to what youre making of them.

>>507634586
>>>507633989
>>>507634443 (You)
>>It IS significant when you consider that its only 1 socioeconomic factor thats being controlled for. And not others. And then factor in the fact that these children had poor neonatal conditions as adoptees. And then face further issues from being raised in different race households. And more. Yes it does. Yes it does.
>PS and you guys can deny this up and down until you're blue in the face, and keep on repeating "oh but their IQ was still low". But the fact is when scientists look at this information and they look at the realities of what these kids were dealing with, it 100% proves the polar opposition supposition to what youre making of them.
So this is why no one wants to tolerate your nazi "race and IQ" bullshit anyhow. Its not demonstrated empirically. And the direct opposite stuff, indeed is demonstrable and observable.

Well it wont matter anyway because you guys will just go "oh but their IQs were still low" no matter how many times people try to remind you of the other factors which the experimenters were not able to control for. Cuz you guys dont believe your own horseshit.

Mate, believe what you want, but I promise you you will not convince anyone here that niggers are not genetically less intelligent. This is a race of people that have been seen as natural slaves by everyone else for thousands of years, long before racism even existed as a specific concept

>>507635485
You guys don't believe what you pretend to believe on this board. You sell racism as a product for very intentional and specific purposes which revolve around benefiting billionaires and oppressing the 99%.

>>507635774
>>507635485
>You guys don't believe what you pretend to believe on this board. You sell racism as a product for very intentional and specific purposes which revolve around benefiting billionaires and oppressing the 99%.
PS and when you're talking about your pseudoscience, you're always oversimplifying complex and nuanced topics intentionally. Totally intentionally. Like you do with your pseudoscience on race and IQ. And then when people tell you you're full of shit you cry "conspiracy", and pretend "academics are all communists" (note that they DEFINITELY are anticommunist and not communists). The truth of the matter is though that when you study issues they are complex and nuanced. And you all know that, its just that none of you believe your own horseshit.

>>507634586
Let me outline my point here because you are arguing with several people with different positions. We have cited a source that shows a 4.4-point increase in IQ when raised by non-black parents. That is a significant factor for the claim that socioeconomics is the primary variable for lower IQ averages. Sure you have other environmental factors that are not the point of your source.

My point is that a 4.4-point increase is as small as environmental factors like lead exposure. This is a nature versus nurture argument. I would say genetics and enviroment play a role here. From your statements, it seems like you are arguing that nurture is the primary variable, and your source is a 4.4 percent increase when the massive environmental factor is mitigated in a study.

>>507635999
>>507635774
>>507635485
With MTRAS you have a situation where black babies are adopted by white parents. They have poor neonatal conditions. Poorer than the average non-adopted population. So thats a detriment to IQ later on in life. Then they have to grow up feeling different and isolated. Having a different race than their parents. Looking different than kids at school. Experiencing racism. There are all sorts of extant factors. And yet despite that, you see when this 1 factor is controlled for, even with the others being detrimental, it produces a material boost to the IQ.

>>507635774
I guarantee I am more pro worker than you. You're the one supporting the billionaire agenda to devalue labor with mass immigration, no?

>>507636133
see >>507636250 there are other factors that are notably detrimental in this specific population, anon. Neonatal conditions. An adopted kid isn't going to have as good neonatal conditions. Growing up in a different colored household. Going to school with different colored kids. Experiencing real life racism. And keeping in mind this was back in the early 1980s. These are just a handful of the issues.

>>507636260
No anon your nazi politics are not proworker. Let it go. Nor are any of you anti-immigration when youre the ones causing it with your precious capitalism.

>>507636649
>>507636260
>No anon your nazi politics are not proworker. Let it go. Nor are any of you anti-immigration when youre the ones causing it with your precious capitalism.
PS ALL mass immigration to the west is the direct result of you people on the far right. Its the direct result of capitalism which makes it necessary. This is why you try to scapegoat jews or leftists for it to cover your own crimes.

>>507636745
>>>507636649 (You)
>>>507636260
>>No anon your nazi politics are not proworker. Let it go. Nor are any of you anti-immigration when youre the ones causing it with your precious capitalism.
>PS ALL mass immigration to the west is the direct result of you people on the far right. Its the direct result of capitalism which makes it necessary. This is why you try to scapegoat jews or leftists for it to cover your own crimes.
PPS your nazi politics have 0, I repeat 0 populist ramifications to them. You exist solely as a method of mindcontrolling the public into voting for capitalism and billionaires on the basis of race, gender, sexuality and jewish scapegoats.

>>507636649
Nazis are anti capitalist brother. We put corporations on a short leash so they serve the state and the people
Also if the nigger thing is purely environment then surely there should be at least one country where the average black is is above 100, right? Point it out for me, because Wakanda isn't showing up on my Google maps

>>507636250
Your own source indicates that all adoptive families in the study had higher than average incomes and professional occupations. Prenatal care impacts were not controlled for in the study.

>88 posts in the thread
>45 of them are one guy crying

>>507637013
No. You're not anticapitalism. Incorrect. Nope. I repeat "your nazi politics exist solely as a method of mindcontrolling the public into voting for capitalism and billionaires on the basis of race, gender, sexuality and jewish scapegoats." There's no other component to them no matter what other empty opportunism you engage in.

>>507628406
Bud, you have no idea where I stand politically. I'm fine with some socialism.
>no matter what you say
Like I said, you have overdosed on partisan hackery. It doesn't matter what I say because you are a fanatic.

>>507637020
Yeah youre not even responding to anything I said to you. Total non sequitur in this comment.

>>507637112
Don't tell me what I am, bigot. I identify as anti capitalist, and my pronouns are sieg/heil

>>507637208
No I do know where you stand politically, because you are a nazi. So your politics as a nazi revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism.

The end. Period. Doesn't matter how much you kvetch or pretend youre different. You're not.

>>507637293
Yes, I will tell you what you are. Because you are a fucking nazi and not special, different or unique than any other rightwing piece of shit. "Your politics as a nazi revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism."

>>507637400
Wow it's almost like you're just repeating commie dogma and don't have any unique opinions...

>>507637521
There's nothing else to say to any of your empty nazi propaganda, anon, other than "Your politics as a nazi revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism."

>>507637314
>reeee
lmfao I'm basically a communist by American standards, but okay. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

>>507637314
>>507637400
Nazis were National... Socialists... they weren't protecting billionaires at all.

>>507637640
Ok, cya
You will never be a woman, by the way

>>507637776
Yeah dude lets not waste our time doing "nazis were socialists cuz its in the name" pls.
>>507637640
>>507637521
>There's nothing else to say to any of your empty nazi propaganda, anon, other than "Your politics as a nazi revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism."
PS seethe about it. Fucking cry. Keep kvetching "noooooo, im different, im a special snowflake, im not like the other republicans" no one fucking cares. No one's conned by it. No one doesn't understand what you're doing. No one. Cuz "Your politics as a nazi revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism."
>>507637689
Nope you aint no communists see above

>>507637867
>see above
See what? You ranting and raving about nonsense and throwing random accusations around like an idiot having a tantrum? Yeah, I saw that. It didn't change anything.

>>507637314
>Everyone I don't like is a Nazi: The mentally ill Jew's guide to political arguments
>>507637867
>republicans
So far we have capitalists, billionaires, Republicans, everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders and /pol/tards as Nazis. Anyone else?

>>507638039
>>507638075
Yeah there's nothing else to say about any of your empty nazi claims of being socialists other than this: "Your politics as a nazi revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism."

There's nothing. You can kvetch till the sky falls there will still be nothing more to discuss about this topic.

>>507638203
This board has IDs. You can use them to see who has claimed what. Next time use them before replying accusing me of posting things that someone else did.

>>507638203
You're not intelligent, in fact I think your cognitive dissonance is the result of being a nigger

>>507638451
No clue what you're even kvetching about.
>>507638487
Another nazi's empty kvetch.
>>507633965
>>507634781
>>507636250
Now something else I am discussing about all of this above.
>It is essential to note, however, that the groups also differed significantly (p < .05) in their placement histories and natural mother's education. Children with two black parents were significantly older at adoption, had been in the adoptive home a shorter time, and had experienced a greater number of preadoption placements. The natural parents of the black/black group also averaged a year less of education than those of the black/white group, which suggests an average difference between the groups in intellectual ability. There were also significant differences between the adoptive families of black/black and black/white children in father's education and mother's IQ

So you have to understand with these Minnesota Transracial Adoption Studies, if you have objective people looking at them, and not dumbshit nazis who are deceptively trying to oversimplify everything, they show that black IQ differences are environmental and not genetic.

>>507638927
>i don't understand
Yes, that much is obvious.

>>507638927
Lets just note now some of the environmental factors the researchers couldn't control for, or indeed even created themselves...

>IQs of adopted children, no matter their race, inherently being lower.
>Prenatal conditions naturally worse off for the blackest kids.
>Later age at adoption.
>Education and IQ differences in the parents.
>Growing up in a home with different colored parents.
>1980s racism, police brutality, profiling.
>Attending a predominantly white school.
These are all challenges the researchers couldn't account for. And yet the results still showed a significant increase in the IQ of the black kids above the national mean. So I mean no one's gonna realistically follow you on your "genetics and intelligence" spiel when theyre unbiased observers with information at their fingertips. In total.

>>507637225
You are stating contributing factors for why it is only a 4.4 increase. You mentioned income. That was accounted for in the study. They were selected with that factor in mind. Prenatal was not. Let's grant your prenatal argument and say that lowered the increase. Couldn't find many impacts of IQ of Prenatal care in the 17+ range.

Growing up in a different-colored household. Are you arguing that having adoptive parents of another race affects IQ in adulthood? What would be the factor that causes that stress? I am calling bullshit on this example unless you have a study. A multiracial school district is your next example. I looked that one up there is no conclusive impact on IQ from having a diverse school district.

Real life racism. What is the claim here? Is it that experiencing racism causes lower IQs? Is that your claim? I would love to hear you defend that retarded shit. Even if we grant the only worthwhile claim here that is 11.4 increase max. This would leave a 15.1 percent difference in IQ which isn't accounted for by any factor you have mentioned.

NIGGERBOT SEETHING UNCONTROLLABLY AT PURE FACTS ITT

>>507640566
I didn't mention income. Again you're just talking to the imaginary people in your nazi head. So far as your claims that having adoptive parents of a different race is not going to be a drawback in life that will ultimately create a social factor affecting development, same as your claim that racism isn't going to play a role, you're silly and you only deserve to be laughed at.

>>507640566
>>507643753
There's a reality outside of where you guys just throw your hands up and start gaslighting the public where you just get laughed at. This is why scientists don't take you or any of your pseudoscience, on this issue, or germ theory not being real, or the holocaust not happening, or earth being flat, or anything else, seriously.

>>507643919
Do you deny biology in general or is it just when a hairess animals stand on their hind feet when they all magically become equal and exclusively influenced by their environment?

>>507643753
>With MTRAS you have a situation where black babies are adopted by white parents. They have poor neonatal conditions. Poorer than the average non-adopted population.

This is quote from one of your previous posts.

>>507644729
Yeah dude you're not talking to me. Who knows who the hell you're talking to or if you even speak english at this point. Not sure you know what "neonatal" means.

>>507644729
Don't even bother.
Evidently he had exceptionally poor neonatal conditions.

>>507644925
>>507644729
ne·o·na·tal
/ˌnēōˈnādl/
adjective
relating to newborn children (or other mammals).

And prenatal as well being relevant. Anymore questions? Can we cut this cringe bullshit now we're you're accusing everyone else of being stupid simply because you do not properly speak english?

>>507644925
>i'm right
>my opponent is wrong
>in fact I'm so right, he must be an idiot
>yes, he's such an idiot, his percieved image of me must not even match me in any degree
>disagreeing with me is a sure sign of a poor command of English anyways
>so I shouldn't feel bad when I don't understand what they're trying to tell me since it doesn't make sense, but even if it does it's stupid and wrong
>heh i BTFO'd them so hard

>>507645059
Xir has run out of steam, show's over everyone, please do NOT tip the niggerbot on your way out.

>>507623524
Are you suggesting some kind of eugenics breeding programme for intelligence?

Erm. Chud, that's a hecking nazism.

>>507645059
Genuine question.
Do you believe 'intelligence' is some magic wishy-washy special soul?
Intelligence can't be anything but heritable, because our entire human body is dictated by genes. Everything is genetic. Every single thing. The blueprint is your mother and your father. Intelligence absolutely is heritable, just like every other trait. Not a single self-respecting non-religious person would disagree.

Evolution and genetics don't stop at the neck.

>>507643919
>>507643753
I am arguing that socioeconomic factors do not account for the whole IQ variation. Genetics plays a role, cultural incentive structures play a role, environment plays a role, and SES plays a role. Hell if your cultural incentive structures exist long enough they become a genetic factor because they affect reproductive success over significant periods. Claiming that boohoo feelings measurably affect IQ is retarded, and please point to the study. Because all I hear from you is trust me, bro.

>>507645802
>>507645635
>>507646144
Again none of you are even talking to me or discussing anything I said.
>Intelligence can't be anything but heritable, because our entire human body is dictated by genes. Everything is genetic. Every single thing. The blueprint is your mother and your father. Intelligence absolutely is heritable, just like every other trait. Not a single self-respecting non-religious person would disagree.
Interestingly, there are no geneticists nor evolutionary biologists who share your points of view. Isnt that funny.

>>507623524
>Our biggest mistake was treating them like they were just like us.
You can't fix a problem if you can't tell the truth. Niggers will continue to be the lowest performing race in the world no matter where they live until the end of time. The only reason the west has some niggers with higher IQ's is because they have White people in their ancestry.

>>507646144
Since Marxism can only work with an abstract notion of classes, it's incompatible with accepting individual differences. And if this guy has to chose between socialism and reality, he goes with being a commie pseud.
I don't think you can argue with people following dogma.

>>507646380
But none of you have any valid information to present which empirically suggests black people's intelligence is genetically lesser than whites.

>>507646488
What he fails to understand is his worldview is religion.

To suggest genetics don't influence intelligence is to suggest there's some magic otherly factor that determines our cognitive capacity.
Sounds like christians babbling about a 'soul.'

>>507646403
You CAN tell the truth is the thing. You guys are always crying conspiracy when the truth is that your views are not predicated on any form of empirical information. In fact all available empirical information proves things to the contrary to your genetic assessment.

>>507646392
Point to me a geneticist that claims evolution stops at the neck. A geneticist that says "genes can't determine cognitive wiring and brain architecutre."
If you find me one saying that who isn't full of shit, I concede and fully dedicate myself to the Marxist cause.

>>507646725
>Point to me a geneticist that claims evolution stops at the neck.
Good thing this is a total non sequitur and not anything in any sense of what we're discussing. As with all of your other comments dude, you're just inventing these bizarre strawmen in your own mind and then responding to them. Those tactics dont impress people.

>>507623852
>look at black people. It wasn't many generations before they became an entirely different species with entirely different behaviors.

is that the point you are making?

>>507646722
Empirical information is not necessary to logically conclude that intelligence, like all traits, is genetically determined and heritable.

Explain other possible sources of brain architecture, on the primary layer, besides genetics. Magic? The Patriarchy? What else could possibly dictate brain capacity and cognitive potential? Fairies? Marx?

>>507646831
You people respond to comments in ways that are totally non sequitur and IDK WTF youre ever hoping to achieve from any of it. Be non sequitur if you want but nobody needs to respond to your non sequiturs.

>>507646827
Your claim
>Intelligence is not heritable.
My claim
>Intelligence is heritable.
The mere truth of heritability would automatically imply difference between groups, including races, because that's just how inheritance works.

>>507646722
The empirical information is that niggers would have never even invented the wheel if Whites, arabs and asians never showed up.

>>507646974
So you agree that intelligence is genetically heritable?
Let's get our definitions straight first.

>>507646896
Environment. Which is what all available empirical data shows. That doesn't mean there's not a genetic component to it and no one has claimed otherwise. And that is where you run into your strawman cuz the issue at hand here is that you are unable to provide any empirical data claiming that black people are less intelligent than whites due to their genetics

>>507646974
We appologize we can't hit your high standards, but don't believe you're giving a good example to follow.

>>507646988
These are just your stupid strawmen of your political opposition that you always do on the right. These strawmen have nothing to do with me, or anything Ive said, nor anyone else in reality.

And you just do it constantly and then quip "hahaha libtard I BTFOd an imaginary strawman version of you". Like alrite anon.

>>507647182
>Environment
So environment is what determines your cognitive potential?
Why stop there?
Why doesn't environment also determine your base skintone?
Why doesn't environment also determine everything else about you?
You wanna just throw genetics out of the window?
If you raise a puppy in a barn, it's a horse!
Blank slate all the way through!
If we take two different people and give them the exact same kind of tuition and environment, then surely they'll be identical in every measurable way, right?

>Babbling about muh black and muh white
Shallow and retarded.

Stay on topic. The heritability of cognition.

>>507647063
see >>507647349 and >>507647182 you know guys are just doing the same thing as always now and its pretending your opposition believes things that they dont.

>>507647349
Calm down, you're too emotional.
The discussion is heritability of cognitive potential.
If cognitive potential is heritable, then it varies between groups, including between races.
I don't need to really prove that blacks or whites or asians or whoever is more intelligent on average to dismantle your worldview.

The only piece of evidence necessary is that cognition, at some level, is heritable.

Even if it's 99.5% nurture and .5% genes, I still win.
This is how retarded and fragile your worldview is.

>>507647407
Environment can determine anything about you insofar as it relates to development. And once more I reiterate that you are strawmanning your opposition repeatedly and blatantly.

>>507647629
So what determines potential of development?
Please go on.
What determines the potential to which development can occur? Is there just no upper ceiling?

>>507647627
>The discussion is heritability of cognitive potential.
No its not. This is the strawman that youve all tried to move the goalposts to in order to mask how unremittently wrong you were all proven. IRL the discussion is over whether black people have some genetic disadvantage or impairment in intelligence and none of you have any empirical information in that regard.
>Calm down, you're too emotional.
You just have absolutely nothing of any relevance to say so when I see comments such as this I understand them to be evidence of your buckbrokenness.

>>507624190
>Data is presented
>Ignore it because it hurts your feelings
Kill yourself brainlet

>>507647705
Anon im at a point here where im just repeating to myself "you are deliberately strawmanning your opposition" and IDK where you think youre winning a prize by pretending not to hear me or doubling down on said strawmen.

The issue here is not whether or not genetics play a role in intelligence. No one would ever suggest that they don't. The issue is where you cant demonstrate empirically that black people have inferior intelligence due to their genetics.

>>507647934
>No it's not
Stripped of your homosexual autistic race babble that no normal person cares about, this discussion boils down to heritability of intelligence.

There is no "IRL discussion."
People intuitively know niggers are retarded. Sorry, I mean, people intuitively know african-americans are of impaired cognitive function.

>>507647629
You're not a special snowflake, we've encountered the exact argument you're making right now.
Just because we don't recognize your own overblown ego, doesn't mean we're strawmanning you.

>>507648124
thats what you do as nazis on this board, yes.

>>507648124
If the data doesn't turn his neck and open his eyes, it's not such great data, hmm?

>>507648139
>The issue here is not whether or not genetics play a role in intelligence. No one would ever suggest that they don't


And there it is.
Finally, you little bitch. Took you a while.

Now that we're on the same definitions page and your marxist slimy fingers can't dillude definitional truth, we can apply some basic evolutionary principles to find out the truth.


Because we can assert that intelligence is in part heritable (and in part environmental), we can conclude that there is variety in intelligence among groups, like there is variety in height, muscle mass, skin tone, ect.

If it's genes, then these genes are more frequent in certain populations than in other populations.

Merely admitting this simply crushes communism and leftism. It doesn't matter if blacks are smarter or whites are smarter at that point.

It simply doens't. Your ideology is built on denying what you just admitted. Even recognizing this reality means there's already a sort of intellectual hierarchy that can't be overcome by just sheer environmental improvement.

Ergo, the blank slate myth, the foundational myth of communism, can't persist.

>>507648226
Yeah you encountered it cuz its a materially true statement that no one normally would dispute. And that genetic scientists dont dispute.
>>507648191
No anon. So the issue here is just the usual rightwing trope of relentlessly misrepresenting your oppositions arguments and then doubling down on the misrepresentations even when theyre pointed out.

>>507648488
Your only position is "but you don't know if blacks or whites are smarter."
My response is that it doesn't matter to essentially prove leftism wrong.
The mere fact that one is smarter than the other is enough to nip your ideology in the bud.

Sure. Blacks are smarter. Who really cares? The fact genetics determine intelligence already crushes your worldview anyway. From here on out it's apologetics and wishing the simple reality of natural genetic differences away.

>>507648235
What are you on about?
All you do in your threads is refusing to acknowledge what people tell you because it's "nazi mind control".
I wonder what kind of convincing data you've amassed to form your opinion while being so wary of "nazi mind control" at every step.

>>507648478
No one has ever suggested to you that determinants of intelligence do not, to some degree, include heritability. This is the same thing I have been saying to you for a dozen comments now that youre all totally BTFOd in the actual argument so youve tried to move the goalposts into some meaningless strawman of your opposition.

Not sure why youre talking about communism in this context either. Simply baffling.

jews will say that intelligence is much broader and deep than IQ then go to say a population isnt less intelligent because they have a closer IQ

when you contradict yourself, it is clear that you do not care about the issue and are trying to shoehorn something (white genocide?). fact is even if blacks were smarter jews are still fucking nazis that are genociding and have to be stopped at all costs

finally, if IQ is part genetic and part environmental, what about the possibility that whites creates an environment that bleeds on people and raise everyones IQ through the environmental effect? that were to be the case, it would mean than immigrants ar elowering the IQ of white people on an environmental level which obviously not accounted for because you are nazi jews trying to genocide europeans

>>507648713
Anon, I do not even know what the hell youre talking about now. Youre just in another universe here. You need to prove to me, or to the world, that you have some kind of significant empirical justification for your claim that black people are genetically inferior to whites in intelligence. And you can't do that. No one has ever suggested to any of you that genetics do not play some role in intelligence or else bacteria would have the ability to gain 200IQ

>>507648780
There is no "actual argument."
It's irrelevant which group is smarter to dismantle leftism.

You are a leftist. Your pursuit of "but blacks aren't dumber!" is just an attempt to render us 'equal', when we aren't.

I don't care if I'm superior or inferior. I care that I'm not equal. And that you're wrong, and your whole worldview is wrong. A structured healthy society can exist if I'm "inferior" for all I care, as long as those differences are respected and recognized

A structured and healthy society can never exist under the false pretense of blank slate equality and muh environment.

>>507648840
All this can be true but I think nobody denies that there are significant developmental delays in your average poor black population. And on the right you say this is due to genetics, which you have no evidence for. And on the left people say its due to socioeconomic factors, or at least due to socioeconomic factors in the vast majority of cases, and this has actual evidence.

>>507649004
What's weird is I never claimed that black people are intellectually inferior to white people. I don't care to - this is a minute detail which is not really part of politics, unless you're a crony populist. True politics regard how society should be structured, not who's smarter or dumber.

Again.

Your leftist worldview needs to assert that blacks are "not inferior" to feign equality.
But it doesn't matter, because heritability means one group is inherently advantaged in every field, intelligence included.

This dismantles leftism. So the only valid position you can take is "blacks are superior.", since "blacks are equal" is out of the window. Is that your position, now?

>>507649015
Anon I dont know what the hell youre even ranting about. Other to note youre entirely in your own world and its unrelated to anyone else who is talking to. Or to whom you are talking.

No one, on neither right nor left, has ever suggested to you that intelligence does not have something to do with genetics.

>>507649004
Why do you think claiming not to understand what other people are saying means they're wrong?

>>507649217
No one's trying to tell you blacks are superior or whatever else you're ranting about. There's nothing about the idea of genetics or any of this other stuff that "dismantles leftism" or any of this other inebriated stuff youre ranting about. I am sorry man but no, you simply do not make sense.

>>507649363
Here, I'll simplify it for you.

There are three logically valid positions for a person to take.

1.
>Black people are inferior.
2.
>Black people are equal.
3.
>Black people are superior.

Communism, and all its downstream ideology, including most 'right-wing' conservatard thought, feigns option 2.

Black people are equal.

This is the tabula rasa idea. If you actually read things, you'd know of this.

The blank slate theory.

You, however, concede that genetics do determine everything, intelligence included.

This means the idea "Black people are equal" is automatically impossible out of biological necessity. We're left with option 1 and option 3.

Whatever option you choose to defend, you're already a fascist. Just varies between whether your specific flavor of fascism supports black or white people.

This is because fascism is truth.

>>507647629
>Environment can determine anything about you insofar as it relates to development.
>76 PBTID

>>507649485
When you do not make sense then you are not correct. No.

>>507649199
there are delays because they re dumb, because some do drug sor whatever, and because black isnt an ethnicity, africa is gigantic and has more genetic diversity than the rest of the world combined which means from one group to another there will be a lot of variation. furthermore testing white IQ is retarded because white isnt an ethnicity either and europe is full of immigrants and racemixed people you would have to test mostly north east french, vs north west vs paris natives vs sout west germany vs south west england etc etc

it is no secret that there ar ethnicities of dumber ppl even in the european population and lets not talk about ppl mixed with romanian hookers

>>507649691
Anon youre just ranting to yourself and it has nothing to do with anything anyone else has said to you. Please stop. You're acting in self-humiliating fashion.

if you tested not by "whites" mixed with romanian hookers but only VS true native with high % f genes from a place with motherfuckers that look like napoleon the IQ gap would be even, greater and mog ahskenazi IQ as well (gene stealer shit btw, "ashkenazi iq" lol)

>>507649831
You need to actually engage with ideas to formulate a world-view.
Your narrow-minded approach of just going 'lalalalala' when the truth is forced down your throat is ultimately the reason you're a marxist homosexual.

Now drink some water, take a five minute break, and come back and read what I explained to you. Neither empirical evidence nor complicated theories are necessary to prove fascism, just simple logical deduction.

Race determines intelligence.
How exactly it determines intelligence, I do not care.
But race determines intelligence.

>>507649796
Yeah IDK what to tell you, the only thing leftists like me, or even just normal non politically motivated scientists who deal in genetics, are trying to tell you is that you do not have even 1 shred of meaningfully empirical evidence to back up your claims that black people have lower IQs due to their genes.

>>507650007
Anon no one knows WTF inebriated shit youre ranting about. thats the truth.

>>507625494
>NO U

I think whats happened here is that /pol/ understands it lost the debate about "the science" so now its trying to move the goalposts into an entire universe of leftist strawmen, as it normally does.

>>507649755
I'm sure it hurts for a narcissist to know this but we've not established that you're the gauge of reason, so whatever you find not to make sense does in no way correlate with what objectively makes sense.
And I think most people in this thread would agree that you're very biased in your own self worth.

>>507650148
You lost, and that's okay. <3
Your cognitive dissonance will now activate and you will not engage with the arguments presented to you to soothe your Pavlovian conditioning.

As communism's core tenet is to overcome truth and nature as mere obstacles, things like basic logic fall apart when debating a communist.

For him, essentially, just *wishing* the truth away is enough to fabricate a new one.

Yes. Genetics determine intelligence to a degree.
Yes. Black people and white people ARE completelly intellectually equal.

How do these claims co-exist in the brain of a communist? Nobody knows - not even them. :(

>>507650271
Yeah "no u". Yeah, that's correct. Yeah its you who are exactly and directly guilty of the thing you just about your opposition. As always.

>>507623292 (OP)
white children recognize themselves in the mirror after they are 4 months old
for niggers it's 2 years
...
socio-economic factors my ass

>>507650076
we dont need empirical evidence we have eyes and brains only retards think you need evidence for what your brain observes in your perosnal life and anyway we dont actually give a shit we just want out people to not get gneocided and keep immigration low to reduce the problems caused by multiculturalism. everyone is happier when they live with their own. hatred isnt real and merely a jewish strawman from immigrant jews tryign to cling here in europe because they actually believe that whites are superior and want to be here to leech from us

This graph does show that socioeconomic factors do have some effect though

>>507650333
Anon youve been having a rant with yourself for the last dozen comments or so which are unrelated to anything I, or anyone else on the left, ever have said. And there's nothing else to say to you except >>507650272.

>>507650374
>does it again

>>507624594
>Basically you intentionally ignore empiricism.
I've never done a single study on Blacks versus Whites, but of the many I've interacted with I would say Whites are on average smarter than Blacks whether they be poor or rich. From an Empirical standpoint, the evidence is clear that it is genetic.

if whites arnt supeiror then all jews should fuck off to israel and leave us alone, no need to stay here if we are no better you ll be happier in your desert eating olives

>>507650518
Anon, stop coping.
Stop beating around the bush.

If intelligence is heritable, and groups' genes vary, then intelligence between groups varies, making it logically impossible for two races to have equal intelligence, on average.

It's straight up impossible.
You can slice it up any way you want.

So where do we go from here?

>>507650374
It's funny that so many of your talking points are just appropriating things we say about Jews.
But I'm sure stealing in this way is completely justified and intellectually honest.

>>507650689
Youre only ranting to yourself anon and theres no way for me to respond to you about these things leftists arent saying to you.

>>507650689
he doesnt believe that people are equalhe believes that positive racism( jews are smarter, blacks run faster) is acceptable but not negative, positive meaning good for non whites and negative meaning bad for non whites because leftism, wokism and communism ar ejewish ideologies tainted by anti white racism

>>507650790
Leftists claim there is no statistical genetic difference between black and white people's intellgence.

Common sense, literally two-steps-removed logic, proves this wrong.

>
If intelligence is heritable, and groups' genes vary, then intelligence between groups varies, making it logically impossible for two races to have equal intelligence, on average

Go ahead and debunk this. If you do, I concede.

>>507650790
The only reason he's ranting "to himself" is because you're not reading what anyone else is telling you.
Everything you accuse of others is just a projection.

>>507650771
Yeah you guys on the right appropriate our rhetoric on the left and then replace "rich people" and "capitalism" with "jews" and "zionism". And that's how your entire scapegoating grift works when you scapegoat an ethnicity to protect capitalism and its precious billionaires.

>>507650921
He refuses to engage because he has no counter-argument. So he just goes like 'lalala'

You beat this by repeating simplistic, self-evident truths over and over harder than they repeat their religious dogma.

>>507650992
>starts babbling about capitalism and billionaires
Mental illness.

>>507650919
You do not have one shred of evidence of any materially important, genetically-based difference in IQ between black people and whites anon

>>507650921
No, undoubtably what happened here is that you people know you lost the debate on the science portion of this topic in the comments above. So now youve tried to move the goalposts into strawmanning your competition into believing things which we plainly do not believe.

>>507651080
>loops back to "nooo!"

The evidence is literally laid out.
If intelligence is heritable, then certain groups will have an advantage, the groups that evolved for this.
The groups whose environment rewarded intelligence (long-term thought, planning, management) will be, on average, more intelligent than the groups whose environment rewarded short-term thinking and spontaneous decisions.

Basic evolutionary reasoning.

>>507651214
>>507650921
>No, undoubtably what happened here is that you people know you lost the debate on the science portion of this topic in the comments above. So now youve tried to move the goalposts into strawmanning your competition into believing things which we plainly do not believe.
PS specifically youre trying to promote this strawman that leftists think intelligence is not at all determined by genetics. And thats not something any leftists think.

>>507650992
I'm sure a grandiose NPD such as yourself would believe that it could possibly have only happened that way around.
I'm sure you think when we used "snowflake" in 2014, we went back with a time machine stealing your 2025 lingo.

>>507651334
If intelligence is determined by genetics, then it's more pronounced in some groups (races) than others, like all other genetic traits.

>>507651334
they literally do they spend their lives tyring to say that intellignece is 99% environmental and push for it endlessly

>>507651254
No one has ever suggested to you that intelligence is not inheritable, portionally anyways, and the rest is only your own inebriated ranting unrelated to any discussion on the topic.

>>507651334
>promote this strawman that leftists think
Oh, I'm absolutely convinced that leftists don't think at all.

>>507651545
He's moving the goalposts.
Let him. It's his attempt to stop the ship from sinking. Merely implying intelligence is genetic is enough to get him kicked out of every self-respecting centrist, leftist, and many right-wing groups.

>>507651254
Which is observable in every other animal on the planet, apart from humans. Why? We just don't know.

>>507651437
You have no evidence of that which is the point people have made to you in this thread. Which is the point scientists and leftists are telling you.

>>507650992
respectfully as someone who has graduated from both an elite undergraduate and graduate program, the student body is incredibly left-leaning and then most of them go on to take jobs at big banks, consulting firms, large technology congomerates, or law firms. The US left is not the party of "fuck the rich" at all.

>>507651553
If intelligence is determined by genetics, then it's more pronounced in some groups (races) than others, like all other genetic traits.

>>507651635
No, no, evolution stops at the neck!

>>507651653
>If gravity exists, then it drags us towards the core of the earth
>Um you have no evidence that we're dragged towards the core of the earth.

You're an unserious person.

If intelligence is determined by genetics, then it's more pronounced in some groups (races) than others, like all other genetic traits.

>>507651545
None of us think intelligence is "99% environmental" and none of us say that. Again thats your strawman you try to build on the right of your opposition in order to make yourselves look more believable.

>>507651721
>>507651777
Once more if youre only going to repeat myself then I will only repeat myself >>507651653 "You have no evidence of that which is the point people have made to you in this thread. Which is the point scientists and leftists are telling you."

>>507651805
>Again thats your strawman you try to build on the right of your opposition in order to make yourselves look more believable

Please at least don't say these things out loud, it makes you look like a moron.

>>507651805
its not a strawman the majority of leftists believe and say that you ar ecoping trying to pretend the %age of leftists tht are reasonable is higher than it actually is

>>507651891
I don't need "evidence", it's basic observable truth.

Intelligence is a survival adaptation towards environment.

Environments are different.

Ergo, if intelligence is determined by genetics, then it's more pronounced in some groups (races) than others, like all other genetic traits.

Unless you're seriously claiming there's 0 genetic variance of intelligence inbetween races? How'd you explain that?

Not even a good niggerbot, how can you learn to pilpul around real arguments when you don't even address them? Pure evasion evokes the JQ in normies these days, Chaim.
You're running out of time.

>>507652043
its a strawman. yes leftists have no relation to rightwinger's intentional, endless misrepesentations of us

>>507652079
>I don't need "evidence"
And there you go. So thanks anon now we're done

>>507652136
you re coping. if you interview leftists IRL you l lse emany of them, majority in fact, believe that intelligence is pretty much environmental and that as long as u got a brain you got the basic building blocks for everyone to be mostly very similarly intelligent. they ll make exceptions for retards etc but thats about it

>>507652244
earlier in the thread when presented with "evidence," you called it all cherry-picked >>507623524. What exactly do you want to see?

>>507652326
since all you will people do once you reach a certain point of being BTFOd is just feebly repeat your strawmen, then i'll just repeat myself too >>507652136: "its a strawman. yes leftists have no relation to rightwinger's intentional, endless misrepesentations of us."

>>507652136
By what authority do you speak on behalf of leftists?
It would be a bit more convincing if you at least provided some statistics of what leftists truly are in reality.
But all you're doing is denying any negative claism about leftists, and say those are just strawman from the right.

>>507652526
where did i get btfod in this thread? can you point to the posts?

and i can repeat myself aswell: you are coping about the statistical reality of what a lot of leftists believe and claim

>>507652505
Yup uh huh you conduct something known as "pseudoscience" on the right which relies heavily on cherrypicking information thats in contrast to the whole of the empirical study and data. Uh huh

>>507652526
I admit we got BTFO. Anally raped even.
What next?

>>507652699
ok not really sure what that means, but all good. What type of evidence do you need to see?

>>507633965
So blacks have an avg -26 IQ from whites at 17 even when raised in the best conditions possible

Thanks for proving our point mate

>>507652657
Earlier in the thread there was a discussion about the actual science and studies that had been done to assess the genetic cause of lower IQs in blacks. And those studies when sorted through objectively, demonstrate the concrete opposite conclusion to the ones you want. And there were comments above discussing this. And I think what happened is you people learned that your "science" is fake and bankrupt, so you moved on to one of your favorite tactics which is to strawman your leftist political opposition and then endlessly doubledown on those strawmen no matter how untrue and insidious

>>507623524
You're fucking retarded and only follow the consensus of the ruling elite. Under Nazism you would quite correctly point out that there's no historical or current evidence for "equality" between the human races. You seem to think human worth is defined by intelligence too when that's merely 1 factor. Just a bunch of egalitarian libtard cope from you "people"

>>507653020
see >>507639953, >>507638927, >>507636250
>>507634781.
There was a whole discussion about this up there and no matter how many of you want to fixate on the thing that looks good to you and disregard the entirety of the information (again known as cherrypicking) to normal people and also to scientists, it doesnt work that way.

>>507653049
you can watch my post clicking on my ID and find that you are talking to the wrong person

im the one to actually btfo you because black and white doesnt mean hsit sicne there ar emany ethnicities, and while many of the black would have their IQ raised by their white genes (if whites have a higher IQ) many of the whites IQ would be lowered because many are mixed with eastern migrants arabs africans and a bunch of shit throughout the world (if whites have a higher IQ ) so your study is meaningless (about IQ

now if we move to intelligence if IQ isnt all of intelligence then why are you clinging to this IQ thing?

>>507653333
You are the ruling elite. Nazis are the ruling elite. The United States and Europe militarily and economically supports nazism anywhere it exists in this planet. And is actively stoking nazi sentiment in its own borders.

>>507653458
>>507653333
>You are the ruling elite. Nazis are the ruling elite. The United States and Europe militarily and economically supports nazism anywhere it exists in this planet. And is actively stoking nazi sentiment in its own borders.
PS as I have stated on this board, your politics are nothing more than a part of a larger mindcontrol gestalt which involve rich capitalists using jewish scapegoats and identity politics to convince the public to support capitalism.

>>507653352
I just think you need to cherrypick different studies to prove your side, this one is mixed on results.

Not sure if you'll be able to find a way to hand wave away Africa's utter and complete lack of technological prowess over the course of all human history but best of luck

>>507653657
>jews are scapegoats
NGMI

>>507653432
I cant understand your post. Sorry. Theres no evidence for your claims that black people's general lower IQs are the result of genetic issues instead of environment AKA socioeconomic factors. I'd respond with more specificity but I am not joking when I tell you that what you wrote is gibberish to me. Utterly incomprehensible.

>>507654102
No, see anon this is NOT cherrypicking. YOU want to say that to try to disregard these empirical studies. THIS is the central and most key study in this entire field cuz its the only time an experiment was actually done to try and control just ONE of the huge socioeconomic struggles that young black kids face, and the results showed that there was a difference in the average IQ in the positive direction.

>>507654249
wow you really are stupid, pretending that you cant understand that. you thik you ar emerely pretending but pretending makes you stupid for real.

as for the last snetence which is the only thing badly sentenced, im asking you why do you cling to IQ to say that therer is no intellignece difference when leftists and maybe scientists as well claim than intelligence is more than just iq?

>>507623292 (OP)
What's the point of IQ if ChatGPT has a higher IQ than any person?
It just does thinking better the humans do.
Humans really shouldn't think at all, and just outsource their thinking to AI.

>>507654249
Are you saying their IQ is lower, and genetics and the environment both contribute to it being lower, but their environment contributes more?
Or that only their environment does, and genetically they'd be equal to white?

How about if we only compare genetical influence, do white genes contribute to a higher IQ more than black genes do?

>>507654684
>you thik you ar emerely pretending but pretending makes you stupid for real.
>as for the last snetence which is the only thing badly sentenced, im asking you why do you cling to IQ to say that therer is no intellignece difference and maybe scientists as well claim than intelligence is more than just iq?
just stop. this is never going to make enough sense to understand.

>>507624130
why is there no source provided with these graphs??
it's sloppy and it makes your argument look misleading and false

>>507654875
That's really not true at all.
ChatGPT has a lot more knowledge than the average person, but intelligence wise, it's dogshit.

>>507655007
you cant decipher because one letter is missing or two letters are inverted? are you fucking retarded?

>>507653458
>The United States and Europe militarily and economically supports nazism
Except that time the USA gave lend lease to the USSR in order to defeat the big evil Nazism
Nazism has only been tried 1 time, in 1 Nation, for a total period of 12 years. There were collaborators who turned in jews to Germany in the occupied territories, but those were rare cases

>>507655164
Give ChatGPT whatever IQ test you want, it will beat you easily.

>>507655007
You think you are pretending, but if all you can do is pretend, you are in effect stupid.
As for the last sentence which is the only part I explained unclearly, why do cling to IQ to say there is no intelligence difference? Even scientists claim that IQ is just one component of intelligence.

Anon was referring to that well known maxim that "IQ is what IQ test measure", not intelligence itself.

>>507654916
Anon I'll elucidate the scientific and leftist description of these events here as clearly as I can:
>Black Americans are clearly suffering from a wide range of issues and these issues include an empirically observable cognitive deficit.
>Environmental factors and genetics are the 2 factors which drive intelligence.
>No meaningfully empirical evidence, thus far, has ever been presented by rightists which justify their claims that those deficits are the result of an inherent flaw in black genes.
>Meaningful empirical evidence HAS been presented to the contrary in showing that environment can make a significant difference.
>We can all universally recognize without any genuine debates or denials, that black people face observable socioeconomic struggles in their lives. (poor environment).
Ive done the best I can. thats probably still imperfect. But I tried.

>>507654615
>results showed that there was a difference in the average IQ in the positive direction.
Shouldn't it have proven that race had zero to do with IQ? Instead it shows that no matter what you do there will always be genetic factors holding them back

>>507655080
Here you go
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/handbook-of-intelligence/1CB4CF1E392B5A7332250A4DD2964DA3

>>507655591
Well, I'm not contending that ChatGPT would appear very intelligent to someone with a below average IQ, but I've been disappointed many times when I required some novel thought from it.

ChatGPT is basiscally a very confident undergrad with a library's worth of knowledge he can recite from reflex.

>>507655370
Absolutely no place for "lend lease" involved in this discussion when we all know it was between 1941 and 1945 and not in the coldwar, postwar era.

Why would you bother wasting for our times with such a comment? Please refrain from further doing so.

>>507656012
What youre doing here is blatantly mischaracterizing the results of the study in a way that is totally fictional and totally to the inverse of how it was in reality.

>>507656341
>>507656012
>What youre doing here is blatantly mischaracterizing the results of the study in a way that is totally fictional and totally to the inverse of how it was in reality.
PS once more further discussion of this topic is available in the posts I tagged above here >>507653352. The study showed that the environmental factors are significant and did not show any evidence of any genetic determinant in the lower IQs.

>>507655781
Alright, that's all fair. As long as there are socioeconomic factors at play, there's a benefit of the doubt that the difference is not due to inherent genetic differences, that is a very reasonable point to make. But could you please answer my questions >>507654916 You didn't really answer them but I hope you understand that there's some nuance you didn't express in this post that my questions explicitly touched upon.

>>507656065
ChatGPT has an IQ of 155.
https://blog.gopenai.com/chatgpts-iq-is-155-einstein-s-was-160-predicting-gpt-5-132ed13c90ca
Unless you're literally Einstein, you aren't smarter than ChatGPT.

You're stupid. You say "Europe & North America militarily and economically supports Nazism" but that's stupid because North America opposed Nazism economically and militarily the only time that it was tried in human history. There were a few fascist movements before and after Germany, but none of them really leaned hard into Ethno-Supremacist ideology in the same way as Germany, and I'm going to guess those movements were also boycotted by America & Europe

>>507656953
Well in that case, evidently I am.
Idk, maybe I'm just too familiar with the tech and know where its weeknesses lie.

>>507657080
The point me makes usually that none of us are special snowflakes and to him we're all nazis, so to him everything is peddling nazi propaganda, and we're all victims of a nazi conspiracy.

>>507655781
>No meaningfully empirical evidence, thus far, has ever been presented by rightists
>by rightists

This is purely pedantry but the people who'd present this evidence wouldn't be "rightists" foremost but scientists.

>>507629520
>Adopted, two white biological parents, age 17 IQ: 101.5
>Adopted, two black biological parents, age 17 IQ: 83.7
how does this suggest IQ is NOT genetic?

>>507659760
Could you please share and upload a zip of your stash on catbox.moe?

>>507660344
You could imagine that we assume "dumbness" exists as a matter of fact a-priori, and if you're raised by parents who are "dumb", they impart their dumbness as part of the environment, non-genetically.
This (weak ass) explanation could be used to invalidate genetic inheritance, because if you were to inherit low IQ from your parents, you could always say they propagated it after birth.

>>507625143
You are not human

>>507661345
The whole point though is that they're adopted into similar environments, yet the IQ still is based on their biological parents