Thread 507633381

Did the tsar deserve to be killed? Lenin and Stalin created a stronger country after all.

>>507633381 (OP)
no

>>507633381 (OP)
I find it curious that in countries like France and Russia that there’s zero care about the loss of their royalty
Not saying that Russians or French should bow down to anyone, but it’s a contrast to how UK people or Spanish people pay homage to their current royals

>>507633381 (OP)
>man killing children is depicted as Chad

>>507633381 (OP)
Yes, he caused a lot of suffering on the russian people

Mao said it was a mistake. Killing the Tsar made him and his family into Martyrs, where Puyi, basically a living god, was turned into a fucking janitor and true believing communist.
Nobody would be Tsar stanning today if he ended up cleaning toilets.

>>507633381 (OP)
yes, In finland we say it was the one good thing the bolsheviks tdid

>>507633381 (OP)
>stronger country
>needed a gazzillion dollars in support to survive the nazis then collapses in a couple decades

>>507633694
>When Marxist jewcock sucking family hating leftoids make memes

>>507633699
And the Bolshevik/Stalin's regime didn't? What the tsars did paled in comparison to what came after.

>>507633381 (OP)
a stronger country that collapsed. all they did was delay it. slavs are incapable of creating a successful civilization

>>507633716
Yeah but if he didnt get into exile he surely wouldve been a rallying point for a 2nd white vs red when the germany made stalin feel the burn

>>507633381 (OP)
>stronger

Do you just get off on making threads with stupid bait questions? Is it really that fun?

>>507633381 (OP)
Pretty fucked up that they killed the kids not even the Jacobins did that anyway the Tsar was shit and sent many to their deaths without even giving them weapons in world war 1

>>507633381 (OP)
Not really, not anymore than other royalty anyways. Had to be done though realistically. The unfortunate part of a system in which power is passed via one's bloodline is that it requires the murder of an entire family to remove the potential threat they pose.

>>507633381 (OP)
>Did the tsar deserve to be killed?
they only did it because they were not confident in their ability to militarily defeat the whites

>>507633381 (OP)
>Tyranny and slavery is good cuz muh gdp
Please end this golden calf worship

>>507633381 (OP)
honestly no
everything bad you can say about him applies to almost all monarchs to varying degrees

>>507634226
What bloodline usurped the Czars, again? Stalin wasn't Jewish.

>>507634447
its funny because in reality USSR was plagued by famines

>>507633956
Forgot to add that when it comes to the Lenin and the Bolshevik's people need to remember the Russian people literally killed off their ethnically Russian leadership so jews with no allegiance to their country or its people can rule not from the shadows but physically rule over the Russian people with an iron fist. Russians are the original shabbos goys.

>>507633381 (OP)
>stronger country
The Russian Empire had to be taken down by force, while the USSR imploded lol

>>507634655
>people need to remember the Russian people literally killed off their ethnically Russian leadership so jews with no allegiance to their country or its people can rule not from the shadows
that only lasted for a few years, the it wasn't even 1940s yet when they already removed written rules against antisemitism from soviet military code of conduct

>>507633551
Only niggers hope communism will come and save them.

>>507633381 (OP)
Some of the jewish shooters actually raped his dead daughters.

The Tsar was 1000% superior to the Jewish Commie fucks that took power.

>>507633381 (OP)
>created a stronger country
>collapses without a single shot fired

>>507633381 (OP)
Technically it wasn't the Bolsheviks that ordered the killings of the Romanovs . It was the anarchist council in the Urals (Ural-Soviet), that went ahead and did it. Lenin was not pleased about the news, but he basically shrugged it off.

>>507633381 (OP)
the british had the tsar killed not because he was incompetent but because they feared how a modernized russia under him could become a threat

>>507633584
Because we've been brainwashed by the (((Republic))). We are taught very young that middle age = bad, and ((((Lumière))) (lucifer) = good

>>507633699
That's not why he and his kids were killed though.
They didn't want some neo-monarchist group to show up in X years with the goal of placing them back on the throne.
It was just a cold strategic calculation

>>507635093
thats probably a dindu lie same for kennedy and the reichstag

>>507634854
>that only lasted for a few years

Try well over a decade under foreign rule that the Russian people put in power over themselves. Then the people the Russian's put in power over ethnic Russian leadership just went into the shadows It was more than a few years, that's really down playing it.

>>507635330
Maybe, but also Lenin and the rest of them (especially Trotsky) would be very proud to claim the killings, but they never did.

>>507633551
It biologically cannot win

>>507633381 (OP)
>Hey is it a good thing that a communist jew murdered a country leader and his beautful innocent daughters in cold blood so that him and his cronies could disguise their names, enslave the working class, plunge Europe into the causes of WWII, bring to power a regime that was responsible for mass psychosis, mass famine, crop failures caused by pure stupidity, would become responsible for the proxy wars of the cold war, and would eventually become so rife with corruption it died only 50 years later?


D:


No!
*projectile vomits*

>>507634183
>Pretty fucked up that they killed the kids not even the Jacobins
The Jacobins did way worse: they tortured the child of the King to death. You seriously underestimate how evil free masons are.

>>507635613
as said too discreditting thats why they blame reichstag and kennedy on non communist false flags too and the right like total fools play along

communist burned the german parliament, lenin ordered the murder of anastasia and kennedy was killed by a pro castro communist for his communist aims

the right needs to once and for all stop feeding communist dindu narratives, the lefts conspicous non counter to conspiracy theories for only those select few should give the game away

get smart, it would be a great service to humanity if we stop this nonsense and spread the gospel

>communist burned the german parliament, lenin ordered the murder of anastasia and kennedy was killed by a pro castro communist for his communist aims

>>507636054
its more cruel but not more damaging to communist agenda they have to villify a tsar who was seen by the british as competent and a threat

the tri fecta of conspiracy theories the left actively encourages as it benefits communism: reichtagsfire, kennedy assination, the butcher of the tsars family

for maximum damage to communist causes it must be stated clear and with conviction that communist burned the german parliament, that they shot kennedy and that lenin ordered the murder of anastasia

>>507634655
Reminder Lenin has zero (male, duh) heirs alive today. Stalin's seed is vanishing.

>Lenin and Krupskaya both regretted that they never had children,[496] and they enjoyed entertaining their friends' offspring.

>Jacob Dzhugashvili, born in 1972, is a Russian-Georgian artist and the great-grandson of Joseph Stalin. He has a daughter named Olga.

>There is no publicly available information indicating that Vissarion Dzhugashvili, great-grandson of Joseph Stalin, has children. While his family lineage is known through his grandfather Vasily Stalin, information about his personal life, including whether he has children, is not widely documented

>>507635227
Iirc it was the krauts who unleashed the bolchevik virus (lenin) onto Russia. Imagine how utterly stupid and retarded kraut nobility was. They didn't need the jews to cause WW1.

>>507633584
France had their "literally Hitler" in the 19th century if you count this freemason faggot as a Monarch at all and gave up after it while the third was the finale failure who blew it up.
The ungerland Monarch stopped centuries before being an actual direct ruler and their parliament had the real ruling power unlike AuH Germany and Russia.
Nicky II lost his mandate when he lost against Japan in 1905 and the final blow was 1917 when losing ridiculously hard against Germany.
German Kaiser stepped down when our homefront broke down losing his entire support too so exile was the only option.
Spanish Monarch became irrelevant when Napolron destroyed the Spanish empire and their Monarch around WWI was a big cooooooomer having for him personally produced porn to cooooom and that was more important than actually leading a nation.
Around 30% of Germans support reinstalling a german monarchy English style currently.
Russia on the other hand only love and support strongmen who never lose so most of them view Nicky II and Lenin as a weak failure because they lost WWI to us while people like Stalin who killed millions of russians are worshipped because he won the 'great patriotic war'.

>>507633381 (OP)
No the fuck they didn't.
The murdered more than half the Russian population.

>>507636609
where is marx buried and where did lenin plot? germany got a role but comparitive small one yours is bigger as french liberalism is the godmother of communism

anyway we have to stop giving in conspiracy theories where they create a negative space to escape ideological accountabillity

>>507636830
nick was good and not incompetent the british knew what threat a russia under him was so they destroyed it (with a tiny bit of german non interference)

>>507636609
All they did was smuggle in Lenin, who didn’t even have a majority party at the time. And Lenin led the Bolshevik seizure of Petrograd over telegram anyway so it wouldn’t have mattered much. The tsarist police did far more by trying to infiltrate socialist parties for decades then letting them get out of their control with their own encouragement.

>>507634183
Nicky II hated to be a ruler and Tsar but he accepted that it was his god given job and he stopped all liberating efforts his father did not because he was some evil guy but he unironically believed that deep down russians want exactly such a type of leadership.
If he had the choice he would have rather spend his time feeding ducks at the local parks than leading an empire.

>>507636990
Free masonry originated from UK and protestantism planted the seed of this evil religion.

>>507634258
The whites had nothing to do with the tsar especially you snow Mongols should know about this.
Sure the pro monarchy groups were part of the whites but it was a minor group at this point.

>>507637681
antifa points to france not britain, the revolutionary left is french liberalism

>>507633381 (OP)
Romanoff killed previous Tsar lineage.

but their rule was OK. At least it was funny.
About last Tsar. He was killed because he was weak retard.

>well, armenians, foreigners etc (who was russian elite) claim that we must join all wars, let's do it
>we need to protect rich people interests etc

Rasputin was kino.
Last tsar and his family was also OK. Even commies couldn't find anything bad about him except that he was weak and his "people" was either criminals (west agents) or just incompetent people.

He was captured and forced to stop being tsar by monarchists. Commies didn't dared to do it.

If he would be smarted and ignore wars, improve people lives, reduce tax, ban monarchists, he would be best ruler.
Imagine movies about good guy Rasputin? saving everyone with his magic.
---
whatever, current russia has huge inner problems because commies and monarchists.

>>507637744
the reds only shot the tsar because they were afraid of advancing whites

>>507637909
>He was killed because he was weak retard.
thats a narrative, he was killed because he would have made russia too strong

>>507633381 (OP)
A reminder that this is how Germany sent Lenin to Russia. They literally used him as a weapon to destroy Russia, with a modern equivalent of one billion dollars.

>>507638050
most people don't know about that

>>507633381 (OP)
the brutal killing ruined the revolution abd forever tarnished the reputation i’d argue it as failure

>>507638183
>the brutal killing ruined the revolution abd forever tarnished the reputation
yeah but even before that, the bolsheviks profiled themselves as morons who committed bank robberies during which dozens of bystanders would be killed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_Tiflis_bank_robbery

>>507638050
the UK build up the japanese navy to attack the russian far east, marx is not buried in germany, lenin did not plot in germany

>>507633381 (OP)
No, every single Bolshevik jew deserved to be killed, Shlomo.

>>507633584
Castles ruled over farmland with knight cavalry. As craftsmen built trade cities, the banks became the new despotic castles. The Jew bankers envied the monarch system, and tried to replicate them. Created french revolution, then used it to attack Russia and England. Wellington failed to stop Napoleons attack on English stock markets and England was conquered by the Rothschild scum. Rothschild Victoria persisted to take over every part of the world, with every war since then to beat everyone into submission.

>France/Spanish
is full of shifty sephardic and phoenician, Satanic Rothschilds.

>>507639084
look at central banking from game theory, a country without a central bank is like they have pot of gold they must guard 24/7 but one slip up and somebody can play middleman and syphon money from the top by remove forever

game theory says central bank will always win as too much profit is at stake and eternal vigilance is impossible
so you must tame your own central bank

>>507639084
>Castles ruled over farmland with knight cavalry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-_8T_DIGG4&t=42

>>507638456
You realize communism dictates abolishing banks anyways, so maybe you're the moron

>>507637997
Naah they only wanted revenge because of progroms nothing else.
90% of whites did not wanted to reinstall the Tsar they simply did not wanted commies.
Bolshewiks before 1917 were a minor group of very radical niggers who got funded by the tsar just like Israel funds Hamas to make their enemies look insane but what he underestimated was that this small group gained very fast very high support because they were losing WWI so badly against us and their provisional government after the Tsar stepped down wanted to continue the war while it was only Lenin who knew that the war was a lost cause and promised peace to all russians and that's the only thing russians wanted at this point.

>>507638050
Sent in a sealed train like a radioactive dirty bomb

>>507639588
>communism
top kek
>"Communism in 20 years" was a slogan put forth by Nikita Khrushchev at the 22nd Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1961.
>The latter political slogan is attributed to Kremlin speechwriter Elizar Kuskov, who allegedly quipped "this slogan will survive centuries"

>>507638050
If 1 (one) single guy is powerful enough to take over your entire empire then your retarded empire is weak shit and deserved to he destroyed.
Pic related how we dealt with our (((german))) equivalent of Lenin in Germany.

>>507633716
The Chinese civil war had no serious faction supporting reinstalling the monarchy after the japs were knocked out of the war. The Russian Civil war had a major faction that wanted him reinstalled, so they burned the ships, right or wrong.

For the Chinese the royals were safe to keep alive as projects- puyis brother graduated from reeducation to a career in the communist party and held some medium high positions.

>>507640052
One Austrian guy was powerful enough to change Germany and the world forever. And he didn't have a shitton of money like Lenin did.

>>507637681
>>507636990
>>507636609
German Protestantism, French Liberalism, English Freemasonry, and Jewish scheming are the 4 evils that degenerated the western world.

>>507635227
And this. Two of the British Empire's main foreign policy goals were 1. Containing Russia and preventing them from modernizing. 2. Preventing a Russian-German alliance.

Tsar Alexander II finally ended serfdom in the 1860s, and Tsar Nicholas II was implementing industrial reforms. Russia would be stronger right now if they successfully put down the Bolsheviks and retained their monarchy.

>>507633381 (OP)
All of Russia's woes came from that Revolution. Till then, Russia was just another European power.

>>507639588
except centralbanks(gosbank) and putting jews in charge of it named sheinbaum the same as the mexican president, pardon it was sheinman

stalin ended jewish minority rule over russia and for that he is forever satan in jewish minds but not the degree of hitler

>>507640251
Hitler started as a Marxist spy against nationalist groups in Germany to undermine them until he realised who was actually behind it all and then did a 360° and walked the other way.
The same as Tortellini who wrote for a Marxist newspaper before realising some truths.

>>507640604
1

>>507640604
I do no longer recognize the germaness in anglo protestantism to be honest.
It is vile in how materalist it is and wordly. Say that as an atheist who grew up in a german catholic region, heart of the FDR.

>>507640969
Literally all early fascists/national socialists were disillusioned marxists/communists. Even Mussolini was originally in the communist party, but decided they're fucking braindead.

Fascism is like "what if socialism wasn't race gay retarded moralistic homobabble"

>>507633381 (OP)
He lost, so yes.

>>507640969
the bavarian soviet republic is radically underemphasized in the historic account and teaching

we had russia moscow directed communist jews annex a german federal state, seceed it and proclaim a soviet republic on german soil and had they succeeded they would have brought the red terror to bavaria

>>507640604
He ruined it all when he allied with France just because Germany supported Austrian rulership of the balkans instead of their retarded dream to be the ruler of all slaveshits and defender of the orthodogs.
Sure Germany did mistakes too in backing Austria 100% of the times in times of troubles but Russia did not deserve the balkans and more.
If it was me sure I would grant Russia Constatinople as Germany and help military to get their clay to finally control the black sea and beyond for eternal military brotherhood but hindsight is 20/20 after all.

>>507641679
Fascism is an attractive answer to the same social grievances that communism attempts to address, while also knowing what communism actually is and thusly has its defenses up. Its why communists villify it so despite communist countries being pretty close to fascist under the burden of actually needing to run a country
Communism is all about playing a good ally until it's time to stab it's previous allies in the back. Iran is actually a good example of a revolution where the Marxists lost the post revolutionary struggle.

>>507642414
to be frank turkey, russia and germany need to get along but they will never let us have it

eternal ocean pirates will spoil it

>>507642657
fascism is defined by communist in the negative definition of not communism, same as racism
its the normal operating nature of any society and or hierarchy

>>507637909
The House of Rurik should be reinstalled lol

>>507642712
Turdroaches are not relevant in any way to us nowadays.

>>507643133
they are geopolitical and on paper the three together are very powerful
it can't be tho, the UK gave poland a carte blanche to act belligerent against germany pre WWII
they did not care about poland just about putting a cordon sanitaire around germany, the burgers try it again with the intermarum

ukraine war is a catastrophe for german security posture and interest, the protracted nature of it the worst case

>>507633381 (OP)
I am Russian and I tell you that all tsars, kings,queens, elites and federal politicians not just deserve to be killed but those leaches must be hanged on trees or we will continue to be slaves or at worse case scenario be culled, there is no other option

>>507633584
In England the power of the monarchy was eroded gradually in progressive revolts, civil wars, and revolutions. As the monarch's absolute powers waned, they allowed change to happen and eventually empowered the parliament directly. That willingness to embrace a figurative role instead of an absolutist one is what allows Britain's current monarchy to be beloved symbols of their heritage rather than contemptuous tyrants.

The french monarch was a tyrant and suffered a tyrant's death. Then more tyrants were foisted on france and each one was thrown down in turn. Their contempt for monarchy isn't just because they had one, but because they kept coming back.

>>507643431
Turdroaches are a joke and are only relevant because they control the entry point of the black sea and that's literally it.
We should give Greece all of that land back an then it would be used for better means.

>>507642414
>>507642712
One of Germany's main problems regardless of ideology is that they lack natural resources, which naturally draws them into forming an alliance with a resource-rich country. The two main contenders are Russia and the USA, especially since they lost in the age of colonialism.

Though the USA, Russia, and China are all large resource-rich multicultural empires who can't help but influence their neighbors and dominate any alliances they are a part of, while small to medium sized nation-states like Germany, France, Britain, and Japan can't compete in the long term. In an ideal world, those three countries would be semi-isolationist and focused on building their own infrastructure/helping their own people, while maintaining some amount of trade with outsiders. The alternative is that USA, China, and Russia partition the planet between them. Not exactly like picrel but something similar.

>>507644316
its not just that, its europes gate to asia
we are so far off from based or strategic thinking that it can not be and it is too easy to split apart
we talk pregnancy seats in troop carriers and mass foreign replacement instead of curbing feminism and the grande chess board

>>507644627
wishfull russian thinking, the US does not see russia or her interest as legitimate

>>507633827
>>507635091
Still better than literal north India

>>507633381 (OP)
"For it was not the Bolshevik nor The Communist that truly killed The King, but weakness."
Your soul is in your own keeping fren.

>>507644862
that as said is a communist lie and russian cope, they got their empire but a twisted on, an eternal twisted soul with rot at the heart

the tsar was too good so foreign powers conspired to have him butchered
trust their judgement

>>507644627
We had a big colonial empire ruling it directly from Berlin while we had the Holy roman empire of German nations too ruling half of Europe for 1000 years and then of course the Teutonic Order ruling the baltics for 5000 years.
90% of monarchies in Europe for over 1000 years became and were of German blood.
We are literally Kaiser n Scheiße.

>>507637525
why didn't he start feeding the ducks after listening to other monarchies and turning russia into a constitutional monarchy?

>>507644627
>UK and France in the Russian Sphere.
Kek. Copius maximus. Russia can't even bully their next door neighbour.

>>507645063
Not good enough I suppose.

>>507645777
Checked

>>507633381 (OP)
Yes, otherwise they'd just be an icon used by future reactionaries looking to overturn the revolution (as in France with the Bourbon restoration). Had there not been an almost immediate civil war, the Tzar and his family may have been allowed to live out their days in faded comfort, but the West had to interfere. What were we thinking?

>>507645436
He saw his father assassinated because he was too Liberal and thought russians WANT a strong boot on their head.
We was too weak and warm hearted.
His downfall began 1905 when he accepted the american brokered peace with Japan making it the first European empire to lose a war against non human savages while the Japanese hoped for exactly that and knew if the russians marched their army to the east they would have kicked out all japs out of Asia.
Like I've said before he never wanted to rule but he was born into this rule and was not his choice.

>>507644823
We live in a very ideological period which will inevitably swing back to a period of realpolitik. Once enough people get out of the cold war mindset, there will likely be a US-Russian alliance because geography dictates we are natural allies. In fact, we already used to be allies before the Russian Revolution.

>>507645291
I mean that Germany lost their overseas colonies after WWI. The Kaiser followed Weltpolitik because he and all the other European leaders thought colonial empires were the future. Germany decisively lost the colonial game while France, Britain, and Russia won. Germany's natural sphere of influence is limited to their immediate neighbors (former HRE countries), but they lack the sheer amount of land and resource that the USA, Russia, and China possess, and will be forced to either take land from one of these powers (likely Russia) or form an alliance with one (Russia or USA).

>>507645777
That image is an exaggeration but it gets the point across. The three global empires will consolidate their spheres over this century. USA will get all of North America and possibly rest of the anglosphere, China gets SEA, and Russia gets Belarus, some of Ukraine, and possibly central Asia unless China betrays. A united Europe will try to form their own power block but lacks the natural resources and will have to either ally with one of the empires or start colonizing again. I wouldn't be surprised if the EU puts more pressure on French West Africa.

>>507633381 (OP)

No.

>>507638050
>with a modern equivalent of one billion dollars
added few 0s for impressiveness

lenin still viewed them as enemies, just at the time useful to him.
And just a reminder, german government also collapsed at the same time

>>507635093
I love how the Bolshevik leaderships were actually fucking upset that they killed the family
Like even they were shocked by how severely Jewish the Urals were

>>507641587
>following bulgarian agression
>entering a world war and dying with your family because some regional shithole you share no borders with is trying to uncuck itself after getting fucked from all sides
based

No lol

>the Romanovs
>white, noble, connections to western europe
>Communist party
>Jewish, low born, mostly from shitholes
Is it any surprise that most great Russian art came during the tsarist period or inspite of communism

>>507646254
>there will likely be a US-Russian alliance because geography dictates we are natural allies
What about geography dictates the United States and Russia are natural allies? All this talk of spheres of interest sounds like vatnigger cope. The sooner Russia accepts its irrelevance and gets on with being a normal country, the better for them and the world.

>>507646903
>I used to believe in heaven
>now thanks to the light of communism and karl marx
>i know for absolute certain that there is a hell

>>507646254
People absolutely underestimate how hard it was back then to grow enough food for your entire population.
The german empire back then was very overpopulated and 1 bad farming season resulted usually in millions of killed in a famine and muuh Lebensraum was not some meme to take over the world it was literally a way to get enough farmland to feed your entire population.
The main German empire in Europe was 30% bigger than current Germany with 20 million less people and 90% less farmers but still we needed back then to import food while nowadays with modern farming we are food exporter.

>>507646247
Russia stood no chance against Japan. They lost too many people, resources, and tech because they used lower quality gunpowder (among other things) so they were being torn to shreds before they could get in range

>>507633381 (OP)
>Muh children!

The Romanov dynasty started by murdering a three year old and hanging his body off a gate

>>507633381 (OP)
>stronger
Stronger in what?
Work your ass off for a bowl of rice nigger.
Whether you stand or lie down, you deserve a paycheck.

does anyone else think the current prime minister would look like the tsar if he had a mustache?

>>507647135
We are natural allies because our main population bases are far from each other (meaning we don't have border disputes with eachother, unlike Russia, Poland, and Germany had), we both control large amounts of natural resources (and therefore should cooperate to control the global prices), and are both frontier societies (Russia's frontier was the far east, America's was the wild west) which promotes independence and rugged individualism (as opposed to over populated European societies, which promotes collectivism and social harmony). We are also far enough from each other to appreciate each other's culture while being able to ignore the degenerate parts. That's why some Americans can pretend Russia is based and trad when it obviously isn't.

Russia will try to control central Asia because the Eurasian steppe leaves Russia open to invasions, and western Europe will allow it because Europeans don't care enough about that region to take on Russia's human waves.

>>507633381 (OP)
>Lenin and Stalin created a stronger country after all.
Bolshevik Russia started with losing WW1 immediately meanwhile the Russian Empire was launching successful offensives in 1916 and neither Saint Petersburg or Moscow were threatened by the Germans.
The reason why Russia is so big is because of the Russian Empire/tsardom, meanwhile the reason why Russia is so fucked now is because of the Soviet Union.

>>507647586
Absolutely not.
Back then total war was not a real thing and Japanese lost much more soldiers and equipments than russian defenders.
Russian navy was peak garbage sure but POOLish Marxists niggers started a revolution in Europe and Nicky believed that accepting the american brokered peacedeal would be the best option to make the empire stable again which was obv wrong.
Japan knew and hoped that this would be just a fast Blitzkrieg because if Russia really moved their army to East Asia then the Japanese would be kicked out of all Asia.
Again hindsight is 20/20.

>>507633381 (OP)
Anone who says the tsar deserved to die is pic rel

>>507648498
Natural reaource exporters will never be allies you retarded faggot.

>>507648498
>our main population bases are far from each other
You betray your limited intelligence with your 2D thinking. The Atlantic doesn't separate the two countries; the Arctic does. The idea of Russian rugged individualism is laughable and an American myth.

tatiana was cute, the rest who cares.

>>507648640
>successful offensive
Such as?????
They lost in the caucasus against roaches.
They lost against east prussia with 5 times as many soldiers.
They destroyed their entire offensive capabilities in their suicide mission against Austria Hungary.
Then got steamrolled by Germans within days without any abilities to fight back 8n any way.

>>507637191
Except Britain was allied with Russia meanwhile shipping Lenin to Russia was a German government plot.

>>507647586
>They lost too many people, resources, and tech because they used lower quality gunpowder (among other things) so they were being torn to shreds before they could get in range
I don't think the fuckton of Japanese soldiers that died during the Siege of Port Arthur got that memo.

The Russians lost because the logistics of sending an army 10k kilometers without a finished railway line was one of the most ridiculously difficult ones in world history, not because Japan was particularly strong. In fact they would have lost anyway without Western military backing. Russia was obviously the stronger one and Western powers )including vengeful jews like Schiff) wanted to fuck them over by helping Japan.

>>507649066
Then why are Trump, Putin, and Xi trying to make rare earth mineral deals? Why are they talking about mineral rights in Ukraine? Why does America work with OPEC countries like Saudi Arabia to control global oil prices? Why are we trying to gain control of the oil in Alberta? Why are people talking about minerals in Greenland? Why does China get most of their oil from Iran? USA, China, and Russian leadership all realized that the next century will be decided by who controls the natural resources, and they are incentivized to cooperate and hoard the resources from other countries. Yurotards are always 5 steps behind us because they still think their leftist virtue signaling matters, and they fail to see we are rapidly returning to realpolitik.

>>507633381 (OP)
All of the monarchs cooperate in a old world globohomo way.
Killing the monarch is when the country goes its own way.

>>507649066
OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries)

>>507633584

Spain lost their monarchy too. It was just reinstated in 1975. No reason that Russia or France can’t get a monarch too if they really want one.

>>507650236
Lenin lived most of his time in London and Switzerland and the only thing we guaranteed was bringing him safely to North Germany where he would move further with a Swedish train.
He started moving on his own when he saw Russia was breaking apart and we never had really anything to do with it.

>>507649808
Before Russia collapsed politically they were inside Anatolia, defeated the Turks in the Black Sea, defeated the Austrians in the Brusilov Offensive who had to be saved Germany who sacrificed a lot of blood in the process. Romania joined the war on their side (they chose the winning side). Germany was strategically completely fucked in 1916, Bolshevik Jews saved their asses who Germany helped because of their desperate situation.

The Russian Empire had not even suffered remotely as many casualties as the Soviet Union while having way better demographics. They didn't lose militarily, they collapsed politically. That's an objective fact.

>>507650440
>OPEC
The oldest members of which include noted allies like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. Take a day off, Ivan.

>>507650341
Opec is a cartel so they/you can artificially control the prices. So muuuh free market doesn't happen.
If you work all together to make the resource prices artificially high you all gain something from it but naturally that doesn't happen.
And "rare" earth minerals are not rare in any way they just produce extreme toxic waste so no one in the west bosters to produce this indigenous anymore.

>>507650793
Tsarist Russia was just as much of a basket case as modern Russia and the USSR.
It's a tragedy, really. They should be as rich as Norwegians. Instead, they're reduced to stealing plumbing fixtures from their neighbours.

>>507633381 (OP)
>>507633551
There was nothing based or chad about the revolution. Im not saying the monarchy was perfect, it sucked, but it should have been replaced by a more competent monarchy after its failure, like every other monarchy prior. Communism led to destruction and sorrow, and for what? Its not even fucking communist anymore.

>>507647586
the main issue is that japan attacked russias butt too far away to react

>>507651566
>They should be as rich as Norwegians.
False reddit narrative. Greenland is a net negative for us despite having muh minerals worth trillions under the ice. Canada and Australia should by economic hyperpowers but are not according to your view.
Turns out having resources spread out in a vast frozen wasteland isn't that great at making you rich, but it's great for making you a self-sufficient great power.

Honestly, discussing pre-1917 or even pre-1905 Russia is an act of masochism. All these "what could've been" scenarios and theories rip your soul and then saw it with a dull saw. I can't even read Russian classical literature, it's like being in the same room with your dead parents' bodies. We live in a different country, utterly destroyed and created from scratch by terrorists, and all what's left is to move on.

>>507651347
>Opsec is a cartel so they/you can artificially control the prices
Yes, natural resource exporters are working together like I said.
>So muuuh free market doesn't happen
Correct, muh free market is just liberal virtue signaling. Nobody with a brain actually cares about this. America is becoming protectionist so we can rebuild our manufacturing base. Russia should do the same so they aren't so dependent on energy extraction and so average Russians can stop being so poor.
>If you work all together to make the resource prices artificially high you all gain something from it
Yes
>but naturally that doesn't happen
Then what is OPEC?

>>507634854
Not like leadership was any better under Stalin, he just kept killing everyone the same way

>>507650793
I've already said their retarded offensive completely destroyed the Russian army and it was all against the Austrians which at the end destroyed each others offensive capabilities while the German army was completely unharmed while this started in the first place to take heat away from the west front.
It was a complete failure.
Again show me one successful battle....
If you think this utter failure was a win your bar is very low.

>>507633902
The Bolsheviks were composed almost entirely of jews, you dumb fuck.

>>507652200
Nonsense. It's about how the money is used. Norwegians as a whole benefit from their oild industry. Russians are robbed blind and distracted with RUSSIA STRONK while the profits are squirrelled away by a select few.

>>507652263
You're right but it's batshit how few people know this both in the West and Russia.
For the average dumbass here pre 1917 Russia doesn't exist. You guys are just Stalin+Putin that's it.

>>507640969
>did a 360° and walked the other way

>>507652717
If Norway was sanctioned and under proxy war by the West they would be eating grass and starving to death right now you absolute ignoramus redditor.

You guys seem to know a fair bit abut this, it's a piece of history that is quite obscured in school and main stream media, any books you would recommend about the russian revolution/the romanov and the period they ruled in?

>>507652496
when I repeated putins claim that the first bolchevik government was 80% jews for years here I got gaslit by people said it wasn't so
some month ago I had enough and checked first something assembly entire front bench looked like a synagogue by phenotype

>>507652717
Russia has over 140 million 'people' and all the money get spend on their main cities while overall per capita resource monies are not that much since they have way too any people and can never be like Arab oil niggers.

>>507652873
Why is no one sanctioning Norway, midwit? Is it because they haven't spent all their cash on invading Sweden and Denmark? The game Russia wants to play is finished. They're no more special than Bongs, Frogs or Austrians. They don't deserve a "sphere of influence" any more than anyone else.

>>507653328
the problem the US has with russia is that putin steals not enough from the russian people not too little the american jewish robber barons came in in the 90s like jeffrey sachs who now attempts to whitewash his record

>>507653328
They're closer to the Arab model, just without the veneer of royal titles for the elite while the ordinary camel jockeys or vatniks get sweet fuck all.

>>507653358
norway is a vassal under the american nuclear umbrella why would the US target them?

>>507652462
I'm sure that quarter to a half million German casualties didn't matter.
Reminder that Kikepedia is massively anti-Russian. Especially after 2022 where butthurt people are editing everything about them. The Central Power losses were even worse than the image indicates.

In addition:
>The historian Graydon Tunstall called the Brusilov offensive the worst crisis of World War I for Austria-Hungary and the Triple Entente's greatest victory, but it came at a tremendous loss of life.[22] It was arguably the most successful offensive in the entirety of the First World War.[23] The victory contributed to a morale upsurge among the Russian troops. In 1917, Nicholas II planned a general offensive along the entire front in order to end the Central Powers.[24] After the victory, the Petrograd conference [ru] was held at which the post-war structure of the world was discussed.[25] Even despite the losses, the Russian armies were still being reinforced with new forces, the number of weapons increased, and new railways were being built.
As I said Austria and Turkey were a lost cause that Germany had to keep alive on life support while Germany themselves were caught between an anvil (french/brits) and a hammer (Russians).

>>507653808
>vassal
The Russian mind betrays itself. Norwegians aren't vassals of America. They do whatever the fuck they like.

>>507633381 (OP)
They had to revenge the pogroms on the Jews!

You know the violence against Jews that the state ignored because they put people in ancestral debt which was not legally enforceable. But the people were scared to lose their homes. Remember?

>>507654090
the polish mind reveals itself

>>507654373
Polish? I can't even fix a toilet. Russians are the only ones thinking in terms of "vassals". I bet you'd be the first one to claim Bongalongs are a "vassal" of America too, and yet we didn't get involved in Vietnam or Syria when asked, and ignored their wishes when leaving the EU. Russia should just get on with flogging their oil and making the lives of its peoples better.

>>507633381 (OP)
The Romanovs were white European nobility. Contrast that with the current leaders of Russia and you have your answer.

>>507655260
The Bolshevik regime change was a minority revolt against the German/Russian elite and the Russian population and the end result is as you say: Russia's white population taking damage badly.
Western non-Jewish elites were fully aware back then that Jews were behind backstabbing and destroying Russia, which is why the US enacted harsher immigration laws to only allow Western White Europeans almost. They didn't even trust East or South Europeans after seeing what happened in Russia and especially not kikes.

>>507633381 (OP)
It created a legitimacy crisis, so yes.
Russia has at least three claimants to its throne. Things were so bad, they had to made up the fact that one of the daughters survived, just to have one unifying candidate (nothing original btw, as they had multiple fake Dimitris in the past as well)

>>507633381 (OP)
No.
An murdering the women and children of the family was just psychotic barbarism.

>>507653999
13 million Germans served in the war back then with 1,75 million killed and 5 million casualties overall from light to heavy.
So yes a few 100k was absolutely nothing.
After AUH and Russia destroyed each other we took put the Russian empire easily while we had still to fight on our main front on the west.
Russia was a shithole and couldn't even build howitzer on their own.
Operation Paukenschlag was the final nail in their coffin.

>>507654090
>Anglo-French-Kike alliance divides and conquers German Empire during world wars
>Anglo-French-Kike alliance divides and conquers Russian Empire after Cold war
>Loses their own empires in the process

Whites could be living so good right now if you morons weren't so damn greedy and paranoid. The world could've been partitioned between America, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, and Japan. We could have homogenous societies, good jobs, strong communities, and could be colonizing the stars by now if you didn't ally yourself with turbokikes, spread division among the devoloped world, and sent free gibs to third worlders.

>>507652263

For better or worse the USSR is a chapter of the history and just part of what Russia is now. One thing you gotta realize is that this mentality will pop up frequently when cataclysmic events change a society. Any major revolutionary historical figure that you look at that came to define a country and reshape that country in their image….there were contemporary people who were against them and had a totally different vision what that country should have been and felt that what they did had destroyed that country/culture.

>>507656190
>After AUH and Russia destroyed each other
That didn't happen you lying German kike. The Austrians were destroyed only and you had to sacrifice a quarter million in about a month to plug that disaster that was continuing after (fresh Romanian troops joined afterwards) until Bolsheviks and liberals began destroying Russia from the inside.

>>507656371
Whites are living so good right now. We're literally the richest people on the fucking planet, you dickhead.

>>507656371
It was you and the Russian subhumans who pushed their own version of anti colonialism around the world and without you both we all still would have our colonial empires and holding shitskins in their place.
Muuh niggerinos are the same as us humans and should have the same rights was all American and soviet works.

>>507655244
>I bet you'd be the first one to claim Bongalongs are a "vassal" of America too
suzerain, you had BLM protests and your cops are not even armed

>>507634928
He's a Satanic psychic kike living in Norway who abuses White children.

>>507656689
Romania was a non nation and was occupied within days after joining the war.
>hurr durr Russia was such a superpower if they had not lost every battle they've started they would have won that war easily.
Why are you shittigrants so retarded.
You can't even name 1 single battle where Russia clearly won except their gigantic suicide mission which destroyed the entire Russian army.

>>507656777
Is this what living so good looks like?

>>507656907
White Americans wanted to keep niggers in their place and limit immigration to western European countries only, and Hitler loved our immigration policy so much that he copied it. America only started anti-colonialism when we were taken over by communist kikes from the Soviet Union, and those kikes only had influence in the first place because of British freemasons, French liberals, and German socialists. If Americans had it our way, Europe would still have colonies.

>>507657092
>your cops are not even armed
Some of them are but, in general, our society is so well ordered and peaceful that they really don't want or need to be armed.

>>507633584
It’s not that simple. The monarchy here is tolerated or accepted, like all institutions, largely because removing it would mean redefining the entire political and legal system, which is one of the reasons that no attempt has been made even by committed socialists (communists) in government. The deciding factor though is that the monarchy is entirely ceremonial, much of its powers have been shared or transferred to parliament so that the monarchy is not an independent institution in this country. It must work and collaborate with parliament, it has no alternative.
Regarding its popularity I’d say there’s a sizeable minority of republicans who would happily abolish the monarchy, and a smaller minority of so-called royalists, as monarchists are described in Britain. I say so-called because most people in this country don’t understand the monarchy as an institution, it’s basis, and history, they are alienated from it, as such the majority of the population here don’t care one way or the other. As long as life is alright or understandable that’s all that matters to them. The monarchy does not cross their minds beyond gossip on its doings.

>>507658051
>hurr durr we dindu muffins it was all da black man holding us down.
Retarded mutt
And Hitler clearly said that the USA is a Jewish nigger shithole beyond repair even back then so what exact immigration polices did he copied?
There was no immigration in Europe back then you retard and when Europe was 99% indigenous you were already 15% nigger with manyutts on the way.

Sorry Germkike, but your bad faith arguments are increasingly obvious. The discussion could have been good otherwise.

"Friendly" reminder that Germans had massive influence in Russia and the US in 1913 until Germany decided to chimp out in 1914 because they couldn't allow themselves to become nr. 2 after the Russian Empire overtakes them in power later in the 20th century.
Your dumb ancestors put European civilization in irreversible decline by enacting your stupid Schlieffen Plan using some Balkan nonsense and Serbian terrorist as the excuse.

>>507658051
>Is this what living so good looks like?
Your childish graphic is extremely out of date but I'm willing to give you another chance: show me any data of general wealth that indicates that ordinary Western whitey isn't the lottery winning ticket in life. I bet you believed that fat orange cunt when he told you he was going to make you great again, even though you were a citizen of an unrivalled military, economic, and cultural hyperpower. Kek. You might be what's commonly known as a gullible spazza, Cletus. Would you like to buy a bridge or a monorail?

In the late 19th century, French proto-geopoliticans were writing books about how Russia had won the game of geopolitics: third largest population, largest territory, abundance of natural resources, industrializing fast, largest gold reserve in the world. Russia was going to be a “superpower” (they didn’t have the word for superpower back then). The Bolshevik Revolution was German social engineering. The Germans did the same in France with the French Revolution. The later superpower that was the Soviet Union was a fraction of what it should’ve been. Who do you think picrel is talking about? Rotschilds, Schiffs, Warburgs? Every Slav from the Balkans to Vladivostok knew Lenin was working for the Germans and that the Germans were funding and supplying the Bolshevik Revolution. It’s only when you move westwards that it becomes a “Jewish conspiracy,” “an Illuminati conspiracy,” “a Wall Street conspiracy,” “a Mason conspiracy” basically everything except what it was — German social engineering.

>>507633716
The whites would likely have won if they had an actual leader

>>507658870
Russia as #2 in what?
Most poorfag shithole?
Most famines?
Most gay rape?
Calculations of GDP numbers is really hard for back then but most stats say Germany was very close to be number 1 back then with USA slightly above Germany and Russia being on paar with Qing China.

>>507658821
Hitler was explicitly influenced by Jim Crowe laws, and admitted he read a lot about Henry Ford and Madison Grant.
https://www.history.com/articles/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow

America's 15% black population was almost entirely in the south black belt, while most states in the north were over 90% white. America was the most populated white country on the planet.

>>507659597
The international pan-Slavic fascist movement has not forgotten.

>>507659792
You stole all that money from the US.

>>507660226
He saw what a nigger hole the usa was an spoke against it so such disgusting thing will never happen in Europe.
He saw you as a shock therapy and not something positively.

>>507642414
Nicholas II was a good man but a mediocre leader. He listen to the wrong advisers and employed the wrong persons in some positions.
Russia’s pan-Slavic agenda in the Balkans gained traction in Moscow in the late 1890s thanks to one of his close advisors being a rabid pan-Slavic believer, said advisor was dismissed after a time but his ideas remained prominent in the government and in the popular perception of the Tsar’s duty as head of the largest Slavic nation. The tsar found himself honour bound to defend Russia’s international reputation as the chief defender of Slavic peoples.

>>507633381 (OP)
Tsar? Maybe. His family? No. His DOG? Fuck no.

>>507635324
Why did they shoot the dog? So it wouldn't reclaim the throne?

>>507638050
The sent material and money through their oft-times ally, Finland too. French Revolution is the same play. It’s all Deutschbag social engineering.

>>507633381 (OP)
lenin created a weak clusterfuck of a state. stalin was the one who turned it into a superpower. how did he do this? purging most of the jews out of government.

>>507633551
nope>>507633699
>>507633956

>>507633381 (OP)
The royal family was the state and the state was overthrown
so yes they should die

>>507660956
You kikes need to be less obvious with your lies. That quote comes from after the war started and the NSDAP needed to produce propaganda against the allies. Same reason why Hitler went from praising the British Empire and wanting to form an alliance with them to portraying them as a kike puppet state. If you want Hitler's actual opinion on the matter, look at how he praised Madison Grant, Henry Ford, Jim Crow laws, and segregation. He modeled the Third Reich on OUR policies, and the elements of American society he referred to as "Judaised" are the kikes who immigrated here from the Soviet Union and joined FDR's administration, like Henry Morgenthau and Harry Dexter White.

>>507634183
Louis XVII was tortured and starved to death after being forced to accuse his mother of molesting him.

>>507661197
They were savage niggers and slaveshits were not their concern rather orthodox Christians.
We should have just told to Austria to stop their expansion in the balkans and then get a real deal with Russia so they would never run away and ally with France.
Mistakes were made.

>>507633381 (OP)
Stalin did nothing wrong

>>507661987
Retard
>hurr durr the third reich was actually all of our ideas and inspiration we wuz Hitler too you know.
What a real fact is that FDR got German tips to get you out of your great depression but you all call this crippled retard a communist bastard to this very day.
Imagine if Hitler saw the current state of the USA he would spinn his grave so fast he could create energy for the entire planet.

>>507662235
Russia wanted to annex parts of the Balkans on the Black Sea coast and Constantinople to control the straits of the Bosporus and thereby gain further leverage over Britain whilst also destroying the Ottoman state. Austria prevented this and it wasn’t the first time Austria had not supported Russia. Russia and Austria were therefore diametrically opposed powers, one wanted expansion into the others locale, the other wanted nothing of the sort.
>slaveshits
Hasbara

>>507661987
Henry Morgenthau and picrel did nothing wrong.

>>507664060
Bongistan and USA are by far the brownest shitholes in the entire west.
So yeah he proud to be an ape who never won a real war.

>>507664193
Imagine being such loser that their entire meme union and ideology completely broke down.

>>507633381 (OP)
Maybe if he improved quality of life for ordinary people instead of sending them to a pointless war he wouldnt have been killed

>>507633381 (OP)
he had it coming, but commies werent much better i guess

>>507656609
In Lenin's case and his colleagues' it's much simpler, they simply detested everything related to Russia. They were no French or American revolutionaries, they pursued entirely different goals.

>>507633381 (OP)
at least the girls werent gang raped by the jewish bolschevicks

>>507633381 (OP)
tfw they shot 4, 5 and 6 dozens of times but the jewellery they were hiding under their corsets made them bullet-proof. So they lived long enough to see their loved ones getting a cap busted in their royal asses. The royal daughter whores only got awkwardly stabbed to death a few minutes later, long after the rest of the czar gang was fogged.
This waste of teen pussay later resulted in a gunfight between the executors and the drivers who were promised the royal femoids alive. The original plan (laid out just 48-72 hours beforehand) involved 'interrogating' the females in the stable and then taking them to an execution point near a local cave. All participants were promised royal pussay and one of the coomer guards even started flirting with one of the daughters, knowing he'll get to pop her cherry in a few days. They both mentioned their 'dates' in their diaries. The dumb whore even mentioned him as pushy but somewhat attractive, so she even simped for the guy in her own diary lmfao.
This plan was changed less than 24 hours prior to execution, simply because it was getting more and more risky to take the royals anywhere, as the royalists were cooming for him. So they had to be KO'd in the house. This is why it was done in a basement.
The original plan was to take the males to a nearby cave right away and take the femoids into a stable for 'interrogation'. One of the guards even wanted to rape them in front of the czar but it was considered too risky. I still believe the daughters were raped but who would ever admit it? Otherwise, how would they know about all the jewellery in their corsets?

You Germans still owe us some land.

>>507668335
Slaveshits are literally indian rapebabies.
Go back to India you gypsy animal.

>>507661534
doctors plot probably is real, otherwise they wouldn't constantly cry about it

Based Nietzsche on the GQ (German Question).

>>507633381 (OP)
I am not a fan of monarchy or aristocracy but in this case I believe he was a bastion of White Russian Nationalism and the Jews had him executed so they could jew Russia

>>507669602
what a homo

>>507667866
paki?
kill yourself

>>507633584
There are monarchists in the country. There is a whole monarchist TV channel (Tsargrad) Malafeev who promotes right-wing ideas and was at the coronation of the Romnovs' heir (not a joke, but there are fresh photos of this heir, together with his mother, taking matzah from the Rabbis as a gift, and he himself is standing in a Jewish hat)

There are many monarchists among zoomers, but among the older generation (ordinary people) there are not many monarchists, the majority of course praise the USSR.

>>507633551
Communism has never been further away from "winning" though. It will probably take centuries to even get to where it was in the soviet union, if it doesn't regress even further that is. You will be long dead by then.

>>507633584
generations of brainwashing like French anon said.
kikes caused the 'french' and 'russian' revolutions. the nobility and monarchy were tied by blood to the land, something kikes could never surpass or be, so they fomented typical tricks, turned the people against their own family, their leaders, their blood, by using the same "victim" lie they use now throughout society to divide and conquer.
you're a victim, and it's HIS fault, always redirecting.
start looking up information on who did what, it's kikes all the way back. for Russia, they unfortunately claimed the wrong patch of land and hit a pustule of kikes that spilled into their own country in the late 1800s.they'd never had to deal with them before, and underestimated how evil they are, resulting in the assassination of two tsars and numerous other people. the kikes were pushing it for decades. kikes are anti-human, and anyone that calls them out on their demonic behaviour becomes a target. the only way to deal with them is like the ghostbusters, just keep that beam pointed onto them until they're completely gone.

>>507670066
I'm not from an *nglo colony you cretin. As you can probably tell from my poor skills of anglo "language".

>>507633699
absolute falsehood.
nicholas II was fine, the kikes didn't like getting fucking sectioned for their disgusting kike behaviour, so they murdered the tsar and his family and then killed off tens of millions of russians.
actually read about it instead of being a kike fuck

he worshipped a jew, he was already dead. it was only a question of how many others he was gonna take with him

>>507643751
>>507644134
a pair of kike idiots

>>507671587
get back where you came from parasite. everyone despises you whether they let it show or not

who cares. Slavs can't create a strong state, because they are rural people. Soviet Union was so shit in the end it lost to capitalistic USA due to slavic economic weakness.

>>507672351
Most immigrants only move here because of how much they disrespect your inbred abomination of a nation in the first place. So the feeling is very much mutual lmfao.
UK is a stinky and twisted shithole indeed but bongs are just something else when it comes to passive aggressive seething. But what you aboriginal cunts fail to understand is that no one except your neurotic insecure pisstake of a nation even gives a fuck about these subtle signals lol. In fact, most immigrants fucking love pissing you aboriginals off and will do so at any opportunity. Bongs often complain that they now feel foreign in their own "country" - well no shit as I myself do my best to keep this statement as accurate as possible.

>>507633381 (OP)
>>507633551
>>507633584
>>507633595
royals that didnt interbreed with kikes were all killed off. worlds richest dont include royalty, like the rothschilds and their extended family.