Thread 507681035

Aint that the truth.

>>507681035 (OP)
coming from the same people that bomb children in gaza

>>507681035 (OP)
>hi i have autism and can only see the world through the lens of a single metric, therefore these diametrically opposed systems are the same!

Ayn Rand the russian kike thinks she's being insightful here but in reality she's just a kike
>superficial variations
lol

>>507681035 (OP)
t. kike

She's not wrong but if she had her way we'd all be enslaved by capitalists and capitalist interests instead.

>>507681222
>diametrically opposed
Some regimes have been opposed to each other at times but generally they act the same.

>>507681035 (OP)
No. No, it is not the truth. National Socialism and fascism are genuine populist worker movements. Ayn Rand is a fucking half tarded ugly old Jewish cunt. Her entire literary output is one big woman moment. She also collected social security because of course she did.

>>507681344
>>507681765
National Socialism is just Marxism except the proletariat is replaced by the race and the bourgeoisie is replaced by the Jews.

>>507681035 (OP)
Socialist= socialist
Yeah

>>507681035 (OP)
In reality capitalism and Marxism are both globalist materialism. The only difference between the two is how to manage wealth distribution. Natsoc is philosophically rooted in nationalist idealism, making it the exact opposite of globalist materialism

>>507681035 (OP)
The thing all these commie fucks studiously ignore is the fact that the NAZI party was named after a particular sect of Jews: The AshkeNAZI Jews.

>>507681035 (OP)
Like all jews she was just against gentile collectivism. Obviously strongly in favor of jewish collectivism.

>>507681035 (OP)
ONE CULTURE, ONE DESTINY

>>507682185
Nazi is not a name that the national socialists gave themselves, it’s a slur invented by jews.

>>507681035 (OP)
Fuck off, Porky the jew

>>507682119
>Natsoc is philosophically rooted in nationalist idealism
Fascism was. National Socialists were complete Darwinian genetic determinists.

>>507681035 (OP)
Ayn Rand was a cunt
She was so close and them BOOM, it's le collective that's the problem. Dumb cunt

>>507681035 (OP)
>collectivism
We are a social species by nature. More importantly, division of labor and cooperation allowed for civilization. Also, and not surprisingly, Ayn Rand support the collective called "Jewry" and specifically Israel. In fact:
>While Rand did not advocate sending American troops into the conflict, she did argue that America should “Give all the help possible to Israel.”

>>507681035 (OP)
No, it isn't the truth.
Rand was largely an idiot who died on welfare.
What a hypocrite.

>>507681035 (OP)
yeah, they are all the same. at their core, the setiments are the same.
race = class
capitalism = bad and jewish
racial homogeneity = class homogeneity.

>>507681035 (OP)
Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme --- people doing things.

Abstraction is fun.

>>507682670
>We are a social species by nature
I usually assume that when people say "collectivism" they mean collective guilt, collective punishments etc, not people cooperating etc.

>>507681035 (OP)
Choose a side Untermensch or we'll choose for you.

>>507681035 (OP)
Wow, what a fucking retard. I feel ashamed for even taking her seriously in my past life.

>>507681035 (OP)
You'll come to a crossroads. And will be forced t make a choice. It sounds like you will sell your soul to the communist Devil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s4CBGTejuU

>>507681035 (OP)
>Aint that the truth.
Well yeah.

>>507681035 (OP)
Fascist just means not communist.

>>507683295
to*

>>507681035 (OP)
What does Ayn Rand thinks about Zionism and Israel?
....
Yeah thought so.....

>>507683360
why do so many people misspell his first name

>>507681035 (OP)
why is she omitting that her tribe is collectively behind the former and opposed by the other?

>>507683314
BURN IN HELL FILTHY SUBHUMAN DEMON!!!!!!

>>507681344
Capitalism saved world communism with lend/lease.

And they all have one thing in common, a parasitic central banking system that ends up owning everything through usury.

>>507681035 (OP)
Except one was a fully controlled militarized ZOG colony and the other had its short but actual independence.

>>507683435
You will never be a real Waffen-Schutzstaffel Soldat

>>507681035 (OP)
Why do people in America dislike prioritizing the health and safety of their communities? Why is collectivism bad, so long as it isn't extreme?

>>507683899
You never know.

Captcha: SWAT4

>>507684024
>Why is collectivism bad, so long as it isn't extreme?
It tends to get extreme rather quickly
People are wary about such things after the hundreds of millions of people who were slaughtered last century

>>507681765
There is nothing genuine about either communism or Nazism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFaorAPRx-k

>>507684514
Could a civilization of enlightened sovereign individuals even function?
Maybe with a robot underclass, I guess.

>>507684813
>Could a civilization of enlightened sovereign individuals even function?
Philosophers thought about such things hundreds of years ago. I don't remember exactly who, but if you have a strong common culture you can get away with a lot more freedom than if you don't.

>>507684813
You don't even need everyone to be some super enlightened logician. Without these satanists/communists/elites/zionists/pick-your-flavor or whatever you want to all them people can get along fine, even with cultural and racial differences. Our mass immigration issue would cease simply because most of them couldn't physically travel here without NGO/state financing.

>>507681923
>except the proletariat is replaced by the race and the bourgeoisie is replaced by the Jews.
so then, completely different from marxism you mean?

>>507685531
They're two flavors of the same evil. I don't know why this is still debated https://stoppingsocialism.com/2020/07/hitler-was-a-socialist-who-learned-from-karl-marx/

It's the same tactic as the Republican and Democrat uniparty. The illusion of choice. A dialectic to ensnare the whole.

>>507685531
It's the same thing in essence, the underclass majority dehumanizing and removing the perceived ruling minority
They're both based on resentment and scapegoating
They both by necessity have to appeal to the lowest common denominator

>>507685531
>>507685924
An excellent book on the subject. Not very well known. The book and author are actually mentioned by Yuri Bezmenov in one of his famous interviews.

The libertarian always returns to his vomit

But this is actually what Normy maga really believe in Legion Of Doom with Hitler, Stalin, China, Iran, and also AOC and Hillary all plotting against America because they hate freedom.

>>507685218
>You don't even need everyone to be some super enlightened logician.
Civilization depends and has always depended on an NPC worker class who can't think for themselves
>Our mass immigration issue would cease simply because most of them couldn't physically travel here without NGO/state financing.
The ones coming in through Mexico just have to hop a border

>>507686731
>The ones coming in through Mexico just have to hop a border
These people would be shot by ranchers and vigilantes if the feds weren't holding them back. And the pissant libtards who disagreed wouldn't be able to do shit about it.

>>507681185
Working together with people to your own ethnicity and country in order to make a better future for everyone is bad
-jews

>>507686844
>These people would be shot by ranchers and vigilantes if the feds weren't holding them back.
I'm pretty sure that's still illegal

>>507681035 (OP)
You're a double Bolshevik weenie if you don't cheat on your wife with Ayn Rand

>>507686905
So is entering the country um... illegally.

All these ideologies make you learn in order to conform rather than to understand the material. All would state that you're reading the material wrong if you come to different conclusions than they do. I don't have faith in any ideology that doesn't trust me to come to my own conclusions on matters. I don't find collectivism an issue, I find the lack of trust a problem.
If just thinking differently is a danger to your ideology, that's either extreme weakness or extreme cowardice.

>>507686881
>everyone

>>507687020
Jaywalking is illegal but you can't just run them over, anon.

>>507681035 (OP)
Horseshoe theory is only ever invoked as apologia for jews and their crimes, as if different political ideologies aren't allowed to agree on any points.

>>507687136
Jaywalking isn't entering a country illegally. Could grasp for a shorter straw? Why is shooting a burglar legal?

It's genuinely painful to be well read on Fascism and seeing retarded posts like this

>>507681035 (OP)
This. Fuck glowniggers who larp as Nazis on /pol/.

>>507687246
You can shoot a burglar because you can reasonably say you feel threatened for your life by him in that moment. You can't shoot him after you've knocked him out and tied him to a chair. And you can't chase him down after he's left your house and then shoot him.
No anon, you can't shoot an illegal alien just because.

>>507687428
You don't understand Aryan brother. Dying for the Fuhrer in a trench in Russia is totally different than dying for Stalin in a trench in Russia. Unlike the soviets, who will be ruled by an autocratic elite who control every facet of society, we'll be ruled by an autocratic elite who control every facet of society.

>>507687269
Hitler’s speeches have been translated to English with AI. Hitler believed in collectivism for Germans in Germany. That’s why he called it national socialism, dummy,

>>507681035 (OP)
Ya know... Building a healthy community (or nation) is exactly what the u know whozzz don't want the white European man and woman to do. They want you selfish, cold, distant, and greedy. They hate to see white people building communities.

>>507687562
No you can shoot a burglar because your property is legally considered an extension of yourself and your right to it is inalienable. Now apply the same logic to the country collectively.

I'm not arguing this latter part is the law (it isn't), I'm arguing it should be.

>>507687717
>I'm not arguing this latter part is the law (it isn't)
That's what we were arguing!!!

>>507687833
No, you were arguing retarded shit like comparing illegal entry to jaywalking.

>>507687891
I said it was illegal to kill them
Your rebuttal was that they were coming into the country illegally
Implying it was okay to kill them because they were breaking the law

>>507688124
Evidently you missed my early comments where I said that without the federal government, people would start taking vigilante justice against border crossers.

Collectivism is a manifestation of humans innate longing for community and belonging. We are pack animals. The ideal of man as a monolith is more a fantasy than even utopian commie bullshit. It is the direct result of the destruction of community that globalization of industry and mass migration has brought which causes people to turn to collectivist ideals, both in pragmatic self defense as an individual against large bodies of centralized power, but also to fulfill a deep longing and primal human need reclaiming something they've lost or perhaps never even had. Unfettered capitalism and government failing to protect peoples autonomy from buinesses interests and practice self determination on the small scale as famlies and communities is as much part of the problem as the commies. Citizens united was one of the single most destructive decisions to have ever befallen this nation.

>>507681035 (OP)
>Ayn Rand
see >>507681295
She can't even figure out the 2 sides of the same coin in Big bank takes little bank scenarios

>>507688221
So no laws? You want to live in the Wild West?

>>507681035 (OP)
Funny how she left out Zionism

>>507688705
Literally the second thing she said

>>507688640
Yes anon, being able to defend your home from being physically invaded = anarchy.

>>507688395
The Constitution of the most successful nation in human history recognizes individual rights, not collective rights. American commies are traitors who belong in mass graves.

>>507688870
I already said why even in castle doctrine states someone hasn't just 100% forfeited their life when they've broken into your house

>>507681035 (OP)
I mean she’s right just not on the actual issue.
Collectivism isn’t the issue which is still stupid with how easy it is to pervert, but the issue was always unchecked authoritarian governments.
They always devolved into paranoid purity spirals, back stabbing, and the systems refusing change to the point they killed themselves to prevent reform. Authoritarianism is too unstable to not always devolve into that.

Germany and Italy are pretty much the only examples where it took massive external forces to truly cripple them, but Italy proved to be a poorly held tougher house of cards fast and Germany was crippled by its bureaucracy, power plays, and other stupid shit to the point many of Hitler’s direct orders where ignored because someone wanted to snub their nose at him and prove their where the real seat of power.

>>507688395

Walmart doesn't have a gun to my head

>>507681035 (OP)
and somehow the only collective Rabi Rosenbaum didn’t attack was the state of isntreal…

>>507681035 (OP)
stupid rabbi we all know NatSoc was created to stop jewish communism, you better eat my shit shlomo

>>507681035 (OP)

The only system of government that's been proven to work for any length of time is hereditary monarchy

>>507692287
>NatSoc was created to stop jewish communism
That's why they teamed up with the Soviets to rape Poland, the people who successfully fought back Bolshevism in the 1920s

>>507693055
non aggression pact, you had an official military alliance

>>507693187
>you
How old do you think I am

>>507693223
rhetorical, you americans

>>507683416
>Gay
Only in kikemerika were there are not true communist just jews larping as communist.

>>507693330
why did you write jews larping as jews?

>>507693187
You guys tried pretty hard to actually get the Soviets into the Axis. Eventually Soviet demands for full membership and military involvement where too one sided to Soviet interest and impossible for Germany to promise.

Hitler regarded the Soviets as a Russian nationalist state masquerading as a communist nation in private discussions while negotiations where underway to get them in so their is also that.

>>507681035 (OP)
nice try, christcuck/kike

>>507693055
you're so fucking full of shit

>>507693564
do you even understand how hitler rose to power? no you don't because that part of history is criminally
under emphasized and disarmed by framing

communist jews directed by moscow in an ilegal coup overtook a german federal state, seceeded it and proclaimed a soviet republic on german soil one year after the red terror claimed the children of the russian tsar in russia

thats where hitler rose to power, the communist even later burned down the german parliament to this day without evidence they claim it was false flag same for kennedy

>>507693564
>Hitler regarded the Soviets as a Russian nationalist state masquerading as a communist nation in private discussions
Until it was time to invade, then suddenly they were a bunch of Judeo-Bolsheviks again

>>507693839
you're so fucking full of beans

Ayn Rand is someone with no qualification to speak on economies. She only speaks in ideals and fantasies.

>>507681035 (OP)
I like her novel We the Living and in fact she said the best screen adaptation she ever saw for one of her novels was one made in Fascist Italy without her permission, huh almost as if it took people who truly hated communism (i.e. not jewcattle Americans) to make an accurate movie about communism. But anyway, what I LOVE about Nazism is that it specifically excludes the Jews.

>>507693894
beans are good for your health, being a fucking schizophrenic child-torturing jewish cunt such as you, not so much. TKD jewish homosexual cocksucker, eat my shit

>>507694040
she tried to formulate a counter to communist deconstruction and critical theory without using nation, faith or honor

a sterile disgusting work doomed to fail, her objectivism being rigid without reason it is impossible to stand

>>507681035 (OP)
Nazi fascism was a direct response to the rise and threat of communist revolutionary action. It's been pretty much the only thing so far that has stopped communist/antifags from taking over a country. Why would you replace the communist threat with something that is essentially the same thing as communism. That makes no fucking sense.

I used to go to this deli/store that was run by two old fat German ladies that grew up in Germany at that time. They always talked about how terrible things were before Hitler came to power, and how things got so much better after he took power.

>>507681035 (OP)
Say the kike quoting a kike. Get in the oven, Shlomo.

>>507694142
beans are so bad for your health you can not digest them properly

>>507694201
commies never get their commie stuff up from the ground in any protestant region or country

>>507683406
Not people. Anglos.

>>507693849
I’m well aware of the numerous attempted commie coupes in Germany during the republic. The part you’re missing is both nations where authoritarian states so what the big man says goes.
The commies could be the ultimate enemy one second and then not so bad the next. That’s not even some ha gotten their hypocrites it’s just good politics.
>be Hitler
>point to the shit show that is the republic
>point out jewish and communist influence on the situation
>come to power
>war looming
>soviets surprisingly open to shared interest
>maybe not so bad
>would be a lot of manufacturing and man power
>war breaks out
>ok let’s see if they…
>retarded demands after retarded demands and they are down talking my military
>after the Finland shit
>fuck these sub humans

Keep in mind Mussolini initially saw Hitler as a lesser pretender and a potential rival instead of any ally.

>>507694171
>without using nation, faith or honor
That's not what my problem is. My sticking point is that she doesn't back what she says using inferences from real world observations -that can be reproduced and are empirically verifiable using prior causes. Her only source of evidence is speculations,conjectures, and idealized versions of reality.

For example, the question about what to do with a lack of talent in growing fields are answered with "I don't believe there is a single talent-less individual."

Blind faith and baseless optimism, so on and so forth.

>>507694531
not attempt they succeeded and seceeded bavaria from germany

>>507694231
only if they're poorly prepared anon, beans and lentis and so on are high in fibre and protein, people with metabolic diseases (e.g. diabetes) are asked to eat beans and lentis and so on. This said, jews are all cocksuckers because their god "yaweh" or whatever, was a dicksmoker whose "wife" had a massive shlong lmfao!!... marx was the son of a fucking rabbi lmfao...

>>507681035 (OP)
Individualism>collectivism

Without the freedom of the individual, there will be no freedom.

>>507681035 (OP)
National Socialists dont believe in the Marxist interpretation of history.They also believed in private property. The only “socialism” the German worker got from the state was help looking for work.

>>507694856
>jews are all cocksuckers because their god "yaweh" or whatever, was a dicksmoker whose "wife" had a massive shlong lmfao!!

>>507694858
Okay stop using our collective water, food and electricity.
Nobody is stopping you to live off the grid for your individual freedom.

>>507694924
in your degenerate "talmud" there are "8 genders", you degenerate adrenochrome harvesting demons... how's the bobing going on? lmfao! you fuckers are running as cockroaches and i love it

>>507695430
I'm not jewish, Paco

>>507694858
>Individualism>collectivism
You only need to look at the current world to know this is false. Everyone is individualist now and we live in the most cancerous society in human history.

Funny that the kike Ayn Rand doesn't even know that Marx was literally an individualist. I doubt she even read the Communist Manifesto where he envisions a communist utopia to be an anarchic society of individuals who base their entire lives on vain materialism... the exact thing she wanted.

>>507695533
>Everyone is an individualist
>That's why they have to self-censor everything they say so they don't offend the collective and have their lives destroyed by the mob

>>507695506
>i'm not jewish
totally a jew... denounce the talmud dicksmoker

>>507681035 (OP)
Imagine listening to an woman and that too a jewess

>>507695708
Who is doing the censoring though? Corporations. You think in lolbertarian society you won't have these parasitic machines telling you what to do and think?

>>507695760
I denounce the Talmud.
Do you denounce MS-13 and the 1979 single "Funkytown" by Lipps Inc.?

Its true, Collectivism is monkey brain hose shit

>>507695881
>MS-13
those fuckers are hondurean or salvadorean i don't give a fuck about them, neither the fucking pochos in the usa... if you're not a joo then why behave like one, communism is a jewish creation, killed over 60 million Russians, while NatSoc is the total opposite, yet you believe those are the same, if you're not retarded why do you enjoy acting like one

>>507695879
People are self-censoring because the mob will turn on them. That's what I said. There absolutely is collectivism at work, just not your heckin based and redpilled one that kills niggers or whatever.

>>507695879
in lolbertarian societies you won't have governments that jail you for offending the wrong people.

>>507696193
>communism is a jewish creation, killed over 60 million Russians, while NatSoc is the total opposite
is this the part where we pretend National Socialism's aggressive imperialism wasn't the primary cause of WWII and thus tens of millions of dead Europeans?

>>507696202
Self-censoring is not an argument. I mean if we go by this thin stretch of the argument, you can argue that the NAP is a form of collectivism. The reality is that our modern societies are individualist, materialist and anarchic. The very things lolbertarians want. Now you can argue that individualism can go further, but that would be even more detrimental to the situation we have now. Marx wanted a society without laws or police. You can imagine how well that will go.
>>507696216
What governments do that though in earnest? Maybe the Soviet Kingdom, but you won't get jailed in the US for shittalking anyone, you'll just have your life canceled for it. And it's not the government that is going to do that, it's the jew corporations that run said societies.

>>507696500
>aggressive imperialism
it wasn't, Hitler clearly stated that the bolsheviks would pay with land their attack on Germany, because the jewish fuckers wanted Germany for them... in regard to Poland it was never imperialism, it was an identical situation to Russia's in jewkraine: Germans were being murdered after the anexation of territories by poland after ww2... you should read Mexico's Salvador Borrego, his book "Derrota Mundial" (Worldwide defeat) explained all of this since the 50s anon, i bet you have also great authors, you really have no apology for being this retarded

>>507696500
*after ww1

>>507696704
>Hitler dindu nuffin by invading and killing innocent people
>Putin dindu nuffin by invading and killing innocent people
Yeah, we're done here

>>507681035 (OP)
shabbat shalom

>>507681035 (OP)
No trying to stop cars with your hands is very not bot pilled.

>>507681035 (OP)
There is only the working class, then there is rest.

simple as.

>>507696875
i bet you believe that churchill wasn't a degenerate alcoholic mason right?, fuck off... do yourself a favor and see this, is a recent documentary based on Salvador Borrego's work, you stupid mutt, do it before going to Iran to die for the fucking jews, stupid motherfucker https://www.imdb.com/es-es/title/tt27847651/

Capitalists literally saved world communism from National Socialism. Never again.

>>507697046
Without churchill you wouldnt be able to make your stupid inverted questionmarks.

>>507681035 (OP)
It's true, both are destined to fail.

>>507697046
biggest whataboutism in the history of whataboutisms
>>507697144
kek'd and check'd

>>507681035 (OP)
communism is disgusting, in fascism there is law and order so it is more appealing. one has to be very desperate to find either appealing

>>507681923
Im sure this sounds awesome in your head but its retarded

>>507697144
>churchil was lemoral and is muh hero
fuck off jew, and enjoy the 4th day of bombing on israshit

>>507696613
>And it's not the government that is going to do that, it's the jew corporations that run said societies
These said corporations maintain their market dominance primarily due to governmental support. They sustain monopolies within various sectors because govt. regulations create significant barriers to entry for new competitors.

Example:There are private road systems in France. These roads are notably expensive because stringent government regulations and substantial taxes (at least 50%. Yes, being in France is like being born divorced) impede new entities from entering the market. Consequently, established private road corporations can sustain their monopolies and elevate prices.

Another example involves corporate subsidies. Subsidies inherently diminish the purchasing power of other entities within society, based largely on speculative financial practices decided by governments. Individuals cannot opt out of this system by using private currencies, which are not government-controlled and thus not subject to subsidization, because such actions are deemed illegal. This also reinforces corporate dominance over consumers and average citizens.

If societies did not exist with the Keynesian-style government intervention that we see today, corporations would lack the capacity to censor individuals or appropriate their economic contributions. The core issue, therefore, is not corporations per se, but rather government intervention in the economy.

>>507697311
>but its retarded
Not my fault, I didn't come up with the ideologies

>>507697216
watch Parsifal: The Hidden Causes of World War II, you stupid amerimutt, i bet you're packing your shit already to travel to iran to die for the disgusting fucking jews, you cannot be this fucking retarded lmfao!

>>507697405
I've already watched hundreds of hours of revisionist shit, I'm well aware of the Neo-Nazi narrative and it's all a bunch of coping

>>507697522
You're just illiterate. Literally any history book will tell you that Germany did not want war and was not prepared for war.

>>507681185
>bomb children in gaza
What's the problem with above?

>>507697522
>Neo-Nazi
lmfao, the bald idiots with tattoos lmfao those are a jewish caricature, NatSoc was nothing like that jewish retarded bullshit

>>507689613
Or, we were fucked by the ethernal anglo-american who couldn't keep jewish dick put of their mouth. Who knows.

>>507697393
Marxists do what they do because they believe in Marxist history(class warfare).National socialism was a reaction to the war and communism. What you said was james lindsay tier retarded

>>507686905
What is illegal about it?

>>507689613
>They always devolved into paranoid purity spirals, back stabbing, and the systems refusing change to the point they killed themselves to prevent reform
That's never happened to any authoritarian government. Germany, Iraq, Italy and Libya were all simply attacked by kikes, for example. They were all doing fine before being attacked. I can't think of a single example of an authoritarian government with a non-jew at the head which wasn't extremely prosperous. Human beings tend to take care of their own, it's only kikes who think power means parasitism rather than responsibility.

>>507697364
>These said corporations maintain their market dominance primarily due to governmental support. They sustain monopolies within various sectors because govt. regulations create significant barriers to entry for new competitors.
You know why said government is subsidizing big corporations? Because said big corporations lobby the government and pay for the elected officials. But here's the thing - without the government corporations wouldn't need the middle man, they can just bully you directly and there's nothing you can do about it. They'll probably have their own military, police force and everything. This is what lolbertarians don't get.

You're under the extreme delusions that if somehow government was to go away, everyone will cooperate together and there'd be no corruption, no stronger powers bullying the weaker ones to gain larger shares and no crime, everyone will just have a peaceful, idyllic existence.. This is not far off from delusional Marxism which believes that ones the proletariat manages to oust the bourgeouise class, they'll happily cooperate and sing kumbaya tillt he sun goes down.

>>507681765
I am amazed you can indeed keep breathing with 2 rubbing brain cells.

>>507698166
So you are saying it would become a state? The thing Libertarians oppose which your peanut brain couldn't clock?

>>507698054
Not exactly,
Italy charged headlong into the world war it wasn’t declared on by the allies Mussolini chose to do that and then bumble fuck multiple campaigns.
Germany was regularly hamstrung by its own system as the army and various departments tried to prove Hitler wasn’t the boss while Hitler would force decisions that where bad to prove he was while dumping resources into vanity projects because he was friends with the heads of the projects like Porsche.
Spain which you didn’t mention barely avoided this fate with Franco deciding his temporary dictatorship could end on his death bed instead of the shit show that power vacuum would cause
Iraq and Libya are just a classic example of a strong man leader not able to keep things together when the chips are down.

>>507698894
Yes, in a way. What is a 'state'? A conglomerate of people inhabiting a territory. Inevitably even if a 'state' doesn't exist, corpos will have their own states because that's the natural order of things. People cannot live separately because the people that do are weak and are inevitably swollen by the stronger group. It's not simply a policy, it's a state of existence. That's how humans have behaved since they have existed. Your idea of lolbertarianism is when people were monkeys looking for food but even then they hunted in groups because they knew that alone they'd be dead meat.

>>507681035 (OP)
A world without jews is a better world.
-albert einstein

>>507698166
>without the government corporations wouldn't need the middle man, they can just bully you directly and there's nothing you can do about it
I can just go to whoever doesn't bully me, the consumer, by buying shit I like, and not buying shit I don't like. I can encourage good companies by buying from them, and discourage bad ones by abstaining.
e.g the deregulation of the airline industry in the United States in the late 1970s led to increased competition, lower prices, and greater accessibility for consumers.
>They'll probably have their own military, police force and everything
So long as they don't encroach on my property, defraud me, or coerce me, I have no qualms with what they do on theirs.

Also another example: Prior to the 1980s, the trucking industry was heavily regulated by the federal government, with strict controls on routes, pricing, and entry into the market. This regulation limited competition and kept prices artificially high.

With the Motor Carrier Act of 1980, many of these regulations were lifted, leading to increased competition, lower shipping costs, and greater efficiency in the industry.

You're insinuating that only the state can keep power in check. Do you seriously believe that?

>>507683413
Jews and their useful idiots the boomers never tell the truth.

Only the mediocre prefer the collective to the individual. That’s why all those ideologies are so popular and always will be. That’s why there’s a push to eradicate excellence.

>>507681035 (OP)
It is, in western propaganda.

>>507699733
>I can just go to whoever doesn't bully me, the consumer, by buying shit I like, and not buying shit I don't like. I can encourage good companies by buying from them, and discourage bad ones by abstaining.
You can do that right now. What's stopping you? But how can your average Pierre compete with Walmart who has infinitely more money than you and can buy more stock than you? They can put their shop right next to yours and just bury you to the ground.
>e.g the deregulation of the airline industry in the United States in the late 1970s led to increased competition, lower prices, and greater accessibility for consumers.
No, it didn't. You have any source on that?
>So long as they don't encroach on my property, defraud me, or coerce me, I have no qualms with what they do on theirs.
But they will because they'd want to increase their profits and there's nothing you can do about it except play ball.
>With the Motor Carrier Act of 1980, many of these regulations were lifted, leading to increased competition, lower shipping costs, and greater efficiency in the industry.
You keep saying that, but the reality is that the average American is much poorer now than he was in the 80s and even poorer than he was in the 50s. What is this deregulation you keep talking about that is benefitting to its citizens? Corporations have never wielded so much power yet the people by and large are much poorer for it. Prices keep increasing all around and this has nothing to do with regulation since we're living in the most deregularized age of all time.
>You're insinuating that only the state can keep power in check. Do you seriously believe that?
I'm saying a strong state can, we're not living in strong states, we're living in jew oligarchies.

>>507681035 (OP)
Asian countries like Japan are strongly collectivist etho states and it's as close to paradise as it gets. (If you belong to the shared ethnicity)
Rampant individualism is what lead to trannies each inventing their own gender, and all that's wrong with the left as a whole.

>>507700596
>individualism is what created the tranny collective
What kind of individualist needs a flag to represent his group?

>>507701093
The kind that think they're special.

>>507681035 (OP)
yes they are all leftist forms of government that expect govertnment to ccontrol everything

>>507700441
>You can do that right now. What's stopping you?
The government. I can't buy the pharmaceuticals I want because the government made this thing called "prescriptions," I can't go to anyone who supplies the pharmaceuticals I want either because the government forces regulations on pharma productions. Same thing with many other goods and services. Dude, you can't even get a paternity test in France. I can't opt out of having to pay 50% of my paycheck because G-men will be at my doorstep and offer me an ultimatum; either I pay or I go to jail. It's effectively mob rule on larger scales.
>But how can your average Pierre compete with Walmart who has infinitely more money than you and can buy more stock than you? They can put their shop right next to yours and just bury you to the ground.
He can compete by offering better service. Small business owners can compete by (and I hate to use this word because of how much it's been abused) innovating and providing an exclusive good or service I'd rather buy than go down to Walmart.

>No, it didn't. You have any source on that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_Deregulation_Act

>But they will because they'd want to increase their profits and there's nothing you can do about it except play ball.
They can try to do that if they can increase their profits, but I'll be able to defend myself because the free market, being free, allowed me to purchase the means for self defense. Defending my property damages their reputation. Consumers would distrust a corporation known for such actions, thinking, "I could be next!" Additionally, it becomes costly for them; logistics are a nightmare, especially in an all-out conflict.

>>507701178
The correct answer is none.

>>507681035 (OP)
>>507681185
>>507681222

Bolshevism = Judaism = Zionism

>>507701259
>The government.
The government doesn't enforce shit, it's pharma that do the lobbying which in turn the government passes via policies. Do you REALLY think Macron has any fucking power whatsoever?
>He can compete by offering better service
He cannot offer better service because better service is a matter of access to money and the ability to lower cost. How the fuck can a small business owner who can barely get by invest millions, let alone billions into a business to compete with global supermarkets? This is just peak delusion talk.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_Deregulation_Act
Even in your own article it says it goes against your entire idea:
Exposure to competition led to heavy losses and conflicts with labor unions for a number of carriers. Between 1978 and mid-2001, eight major carriers (including Eastern, Midway, Braniff, Pan Am, Continental, Northwest Airlines, and TWA) and more than 100 smaller airlines went bankrupt or were liquidated, including most of the dozens of new airlines founded in deregulation's aftermath
And that this move basically caused larger conglomerates to swallow smaller ones. I'm also not buying that ticket prices have gotten cheaper. That can easily be compared but I can't be assed to do it now.
>but I'll be able to defend myself because the free market, being free, allowed me to purchase the means for self defense
How is a little goy such as yourself defend yourself against an army of men wearing tactical gear? And that is besides the fact that they can crush your property without raising a finger, just by bullying you off the market. And nobody will care because there is no regulation, no state, you just follow corpo laws. This is the problem with lolbertarians, you're just as delusional as commies. You do not understand human psychology or behavior, you just want people to act the way you want in the fantasy childlike dreamland you have constructed for yourself.

>>507681035 (OP)
>Ayan Rand
Jewish libertarianism basically means Individualism for thee, nepotism for me

>>507681035 (OP)

communism and lolibertarianism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous kikery

>>507701778
>think Macron has any fucking power whatsoever
Nigger, he is influenced by stakeholders but he does have power.
>muh crushing competition
Yeah I really want to go to apple and replace a whole fucking motherboard for over 1k dollars when I can simply go to the local repair shop and fix a dent for free. I also really want to not be able to repair my soap dispenser on my own, and pay 7000% markup to get specialists to fix it because of regulations, when I can fix it myself. You're delusional nigger.
>conflicts with labor unions
Good, fuck labor unions.
>be employer
>hire a bunch of workers
>one of the workers is a nigger and disrupts the whole workflow
>can't fire nigger cause muh union would go on strike
>mfw

>>507681035 (OP)
Collectivism out competes individualism.

Individualism for the Goyim while us Jews work as a team to dominate the freedom loving individualists. Not saying Jews invented this situation. Just that it will always be exploited by tribal people to dominate individualist people.

We have to collectivise around individualism or we lose.

>>507702618
>Nigger, he is influenced by stakeholders but he does have power.
What power? He just does what the people who appointed him to the position tell him to do. Name me one thing Macron has done that went contrary to what his jewish masters told him.
>Yeah I really want to go to apple and replace a whole fucking motherboard for over 1k dollars when I can simply go to the local repair shop and fix a dent for free
There are shops that do that right now, I don't know what you're talking about.
>Good, fuck labor unions.
You're acting like hiring niggers and DEI bullshit isn't pushed by corporations. It has nothing to do with labor unions even if I am not a fan of them because they are just as corrupt. Almost all corporations have policies of hiring non-white people and women in positions even if they are wholly incompetent. All of the DEI crap, the anti-white policies had nothing to do with the government, they were erected by jewish globohomo corporations. The type of people Hitler spoke about in Mein Kampf and in his speeches. The type of people that were poisoning Germany before he threw them out.

>>507702985
>You're acting like hiring niggers and DEI bullshit isn't pushed by corporations
I don't care if DEI is pushed by corporations. I can get hired by someone who doesn't force that shit down my throat. There are many companies that don't do that. What I don't condone, however, is when the government forces it on a legislative level and grants minorities like women, blacks, and homosexuals a right that supersedes my own by granting them exclusive so called "gay rights" or "women's rights." The only rights that are legitimate are those that apply equally to everyone.

>>507703361
>I don't care if DEI is pushed by corporations. I can get hired by someone who doesn't force that shit down my throat
No, you can't because larger corporations bully smaller ones. The weak fear the strong. That has been the basis of human existence since time immemorial. You're living in fantasy land. Everything you described was and is being pushed by global corpos in order to divide, weaken and destroy societies to secure ever increasing profits and their own survival. Weak and divided people are easier to control and manipulate. This is why such things as gay rights, women rights and nigger rights, immigration, etc is being pushed on the local populace. Atomize people into units, divide and conquer.

>>507703691
If government didn't enforce DEI, what would prevent me from hiring my own set of employees as I see fit?
>bully smaller ones
And how do they do that?

>>507703815
>If government didn't enforce DEI, what would prevent me from hiring my own set of employees as I see fit?
For example, the fact that the financial institutions will cut you off from the payment system so you won't be able to pay your employees if you don't follow the rules? They do that already btw.
>And how do they do that?
By having way more financial resources they can exercise?

>>507704072
>For example, the fact that the financial institutions will cut you off from the payment system so you won't be able to pay your employees if you don't follow the rules? They do that already btw.
I know what the corporate equality index is. They can only do that because of active government enforcement. Here's a question: Do most consumers support DEI and exclusive minority rights?
>By having way more financial resources they can exercise?
I addressed this point already.

>>507704400
>I know what the corporate equality index is. They can only do that because of active government enforcement. Here's a question: Do most consumers support DEI and exclusive minority rights?
Again, government isn't enforcing this, it's corporations. It's corporations that keep hiring jeets en masse to suppress wages. You can argue that the government does nothing to stop it, obviously because they are paid by said jewry, but that has nothing to do with the government enforcing it. As far as consumers go, it doesn't matter what most of them support if it is pushed from top-down. I'm sure that most people in said corporations (I know I don't) don't support DEI policies, but regardless they are initiated by corporate management for reasons I've already explained.
>I addressed this point already.
No, you didn't. You just keep reiterating you'd be free to do whatever you want... because... um reasons

>>507681295
>kikes to goyim
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE COLLECTIVIST IT'S EVIL
>kikes to other kikes
>We as Jews must re-evaluate our Jewishness in these trying times for Jewry. Jewish history is crucial in understanding the Jewish role in forging our Jewish future. Protecting the Jewish state is a key part of this Jewish vision.

>>507684514
>t. Zionist

>>507704619
>No, you didn't. You just keep reiterating you'd be free to do whatever you want... because... um reasons
Because no one is there to enforce shit. But I'm there to defend myself. Me defending myself using what's available in the free market is very cost-ineffective, you're dumb if you think otherwise. See how Somalia is if you think robbing people gets shit done efficiently.
>It's corporations that keep hiring jeets en masse to suppress wages
And the government prevents you from hiring people you want to hire by imposing regulations and enforced multiculturalism. You are not poor because someone else is rich.

>>507693330
No chink faggot, you guys are fags too.

>>507681035 (OP)
Authoritarianism fits the bill too. I don't want any system ruling over me. Anyone who does is a cuckold. I want to be free to live my own life my own way.
We need reasonable laws, not a nanny-state.

>>507704619
>b-but how would you defend yourself against vagabonds!
BYOB moron

>>507685771
Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin


Libertards believe that prostitution, immorality, porn, degeneracy etc. that allow entire generations to stay weak, lazy and under constant hostile influence, is true freedom. If that is freedom, then fuck your freedom. And if you're against this, then you are no real "libertarian". I want authority and order.

>>507681035 (OP)
>collectivism is bad for you goy
>be an atomized invidual goy

>t. the most tribal group on the planet

>>507704897
>Because no one is there to enforce shit.
But they will if you want to have a form of a coherent society.
>See how Somalia is if you think robbing people gets shit done efficiently.
Isn't Somalia literally what you're advocating for though? They're individualist lolbertarians, that's what such a society looks like.
>And the government prevents you from hiring people you want to hire by imposing regulations and enforced multiculturalism
But again you're so fucking dead wrong we're spinning in circles now. The government doesn't do any of that. The enforced multiculturalism is from big globohomo corporations. Regulations also come from corporations that lobby the government to give them benefits. One look at American politics and you can see that the government is about as weak as a wet paper. Look how much Trump immediately cucked out of his deportations after jews stomped their foot down and told him 'hey, don't deport these people, we need them for slave labor' and now he is talking about naturalization. The reason why the world is in this mess that it is is because goevrnments, especially Western ones, are beyond weak and generally picked by lobbying jewish groups to advance certain policies they want.

Hitler gave a perfect summarization of the (((democracies))) we live in.

>>507681035 (OP)
I’ve noticed women really can’t understand nuance.

>>507681035 (OP)
What about Bolshevik jews and Zionist jews?

>>507705267
>They're individualist lolbertarians, that's what such a society looks like
Such a society wouldn't have warlords initiating force against one another, only self-defense. The only arguments people have against liberty are a stawman.
>But they will if you want to have a form of a coherent society.
No they don't.
>but what if someone robs you
I'll defend myself
>how
Everything the free market offers
>But again you're so fucking dead wrong we're spinning in circles now
>American politics
America right now is no longer free, it's Keynesian at best. You can't even import your own seeds because govt. cucks out to corpos and enforces what they want.
Listen man, at this rate I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

>>507681035 (OP)
Totalitarianism more accurately, theocracy ends up much the same.

>>507705542
>Such a society wouldn't have warlords initiating force against one another, only self-defense
No, that is what you have constructed yourself in your own fantasy. In reality, such a society will definitely have warlords because that's how humans are genetically engineered to be. You, like a typical, Marxist, think humans are some kind of robots you can condition to act in a specific way that you want. Reality is not like that at all. You fail to see the natural genetic and behavioral differences between human beings.
>No they don't.
Ok, if you say so.
>I'll defend myself
This isn't a video game, if a person comes to rob you he won't ask, he'll just shoot you when you least expect it.
>Everything the free market offers
The 'free' market doesn't offer jack shit. And no market is free.
>America right now is no longer free, it's Keynesian at best. You can't even import your own seeds because govt. cucks out to corpos and enforces what they want.
Oh my god, you're beyond delusional. Donny is literally being told what to do by jews and you still harp about the mystical powerful government. There is really no way to get into a mind of a Marxist/lolbertarian. You guys have a childlike mentality and view of the world. It's like trying to explain gravity to a 4 years old.

>>507681035 (OP)
>1pbtid
Look at all these seething anons who fell for it again! HAHAHA! Idiots.

>>507681222
>diametrically opposed
i hear commies say this sometimes but they never bring up anything concrete

>>507705870
>And no market is free
>people will attack you if you don't enforce policing
what is the republic of Cospaia

You're Bulgarian, anon. You've grown in a country in which nationalism is the norm. Everything you said was dogmatic and restricted by a less-than-adequate experience.

>>507706196
No. Bulgaria was a commie country from 1945 to 1990. The nationalist government got offed in 1945 en masse by the commies

>>507706525
My nigger you have refugee hunter rogue organizations that became sponsored by the government. What the fuck do you mean "not nationalists"

>>507681035 (OP)
>Aint that the truth.
It might well be so, but I'd just like to point out that Ayn Rand herself was a hypocrite and didn't actually practice what she preached:
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>muh statism is bad, now please support the state of Israel

>>507681035 (OP)
>Collectivism is bad unless it is zionism
>- some heeb female "philosopher"
Her "thoughts" are not worth the paper they are printed on.

>>507694080
shapeshifting conversos were very active in the military and held comfy positions. i know of kike families where grandpa was a pilot. they considered themselves german patriots and were more than happy to help get rid of the eastern jews who started migrating in around 1900. see 'the eternal jew'. don't forget, they have been around here for quite a while, most of the time protected by highest authority and enabled to usur the subjects of it.

>>507706868
Bro, you know as much about Bulgarian politics as I know about French... meaning zero. Borissov is a former commie with absolutely no values or coherent believes. He just spins around to whatever thinks can net him more points and survive longer. But fundamentally he is a corrupt commie. Nationalism in Bulgaria doesn't really exist in the correct sense, it's twisted by commie propaganda to be hatred for the gay west and love for Russia. None of these 'nationalists' have love for Bulgaria. Go read about Lukovmarsh and how the commie kike politicians here banned it because it was Nazi or some shit even though Lukov was never a Nazi, he was just a Bulgarian nationalist in WW2.

The "nationalism" here is akin to Farage's gay UK party or AfD - controlled opposition that serves the commie administration.

>>507708132
>The "nationalism" here is akin to Farage's gay UK party or AfD - controlled opposition that serves the commie administration.
>AfD
Ohhh shit. Directed by a dyke and a pajeeta? That's grim.

>>507681035 (OP)
Why do you hate communism but love hitler then?