Let me outline the scenario for you.
Trump makes a big speech about the upcoming invasion, gives some justifications about how Iran is bad etc…

America will quickly attain air superiority over the country, and naval superiority in the gulf of Hormuz

They will airdrop or land maybe 100k troops + equipment in the south, with allies, maybe totalling 500k at the absolute maximum

And then they will try to march on Tehran just like Bagdad.

But at this point America has already lost.

Iran is a country of almost 100 million people and Iranians HATE America FAR more than they hate the Ayatollah, plus they have seen FIRST HAND how Americans utterly destroyed Iraq after promising freedom and democracy there.

They will not revolt is what I am saying, rather they will unite and fight for their land and their pride as Persians.

To defeat Iran, you would need an American Army in the multiple millions, like 5 million at least.
And American people don’t want to fight, and no amount of drafts will change that, it will just cause a revolt at home, worse than Vietnam.

Second issue, Iran is a massive fortress, imagine the Soviet-Afghan war x100, heavy equipment made entirely useless.

Third issue is that the terrain gives the Iranian army a zone of control the Americans lack, meaning as soon as they land they will be encircled.

Maybe they could supply troops on the immediate coast but anywhere further in land will be reliant on airdrops which is incredibly dangerous due to the mountains hiding anti-air and drone strikes.

The end result is tens of thousands dead, hundreds of thousands stranded without supply, and the US forced to either capitulate or pour money in forever until both Iran and America are destroyed.

Which leaves Israel as the premier power in the Middle East with NO rivals, Period.
This is Israel’s end goal and best case scenario.

Don’t believe me? They did exactly this to the British and French.

>>507739108 (OP)
no shit, we have only won the gulf war in the last 80 years

>>507739108 (OP)
Now there is ONE way America would win a war with Iran, and Iran knows this as well.

Nukes.

Even the threat of Nukes could force Iran to pull back and at least allow the US to retreat in one piece.

Now this plan would be a good fallback if not for the fact that either Russia or China could simply state that they will act as Guarantor for “global safety” and threaten to retaliate with nukes if EITHER Iran or USA launches them.

That would be fine for Iran and take American nukes off the table, forcing them towards self-destruction.

Israel knew it could not take out Iran with airstrikes alone and Israel cannot sustain a ground invasion of Iran. Israel has set a trap for the US and Europe to get dragged into a war with Iran

yeah it's all past the point of no return now

>>507739108 (OP)
We don't have to land anything. He just had to look like an unhinged lunatic willing to bomb the right people.

>>507739395
The Gulf war had clear limited aims and this is why it worked.
Iraqi Freedom destroyed Saddam’s Army because Iraq is a flat desert which is perfect for American “shock and awe” with small mobile units and rapid heavy armour strikes.

Iran is not like wither of those situations.
Even Afghanistan is not comparable because USA success was based on the fact that Afghans were already in a civil war and the US quickly allied with the Northern Alliance who made victory possible, still long term it was a failure because Americans NEVER secured Afghanistan.

It was the same situation in Vietnam, no goal, unreliable local allies, a hateful population who only became MORE sympathetic to the opposition and united against the USA over time.

>>507739695
It’s true, and they will be the biggest winners in a likely situation where both Iran and the USA are basically destroyed.

Iran will no longer be a genuine threat, and the USA will never be able to project power into the Middle East again.

Israel will become “King” of the middle east simply because no one else can stand against them.

Saudis benefit too, but not as much as Israel and would still never be able to compete with Israel militarily.

>>507740115
You can’t win wars by strategic strikes.

>>507740093
There is likely no going back from this for Israel and the US/Europe are clearly willing to commit to war to keep Israel from committing to a land invasion of Iran it cannot sustain. Israel has struggled in Gaza imagine an Israeli land invasion of Iran far away

Israel has set a trap for the US and Europe to get dragged into a war with Iran

>>507739108 (OP)
Trvth nuke:
Wars are not declared, lost or won.
Every war is just an operation to achieve some goal, it is achieved or not.
Gringos think every war has to be WW2 with the opening speech and then the closing ceremony with the official surrender.

>>507739695
Europe is already eliminated.
One they destroyed themselves in the last century in very similar ways.
Two Israel already baited the last remaining European powers of the post war who were involved in the Middle East into negating themselves with conflict against Egypt, and ultimately against the USA/USSR.

Now Israel will try to bait the USA into war with Iran, Europe is occupied now with Ukraine (which is already a long lost cause for years now) and Asia will soon be embroiled with a Taiwan issue in all likelihood.

This looks like the final crescendo before the utter ruin of Western Civilization, something not seen since the collapse of Rome in the West.

>>507741158
>end of civilization is when war

>>507741042
The issue is having a coherent goal.

In Vietnam American goals were so nebulous that by the end of the war they were only there to save face for having spent so much money and manpower there already.

In the Peloponnesian war, Athens became embroiled in Sicily for dubious reasons, and ended up being over-invested there, trapped and eventually destroyed by Syracuse + allies
Athens collapsed as an empire and saw a revolution at home after this, they never projected power in the same way again even though they did manage to recover after Sparta also declined.

Americans should consider why the greatest general in the West, Alexander won in Persia, on THEIR turf. Meanwhile so many others either lost or had to retreat after costly victories.

>>507741996
It precipitates the collapse of civilization.
European Civilization ended in war, what exists now is a sad rump beholden to American power.

It doesn’t mean the total end of a society, but that civilization or empire which existed can be no more.

>>507742517
>In Vietnam American goals were so nebulous

You fucking lying hippie commie scum! The reason for NAM was to free the world from Khammunism! Read a fucking book!

>>507742517
>Alexander won in Persia
OMG WON!!!!!
LE VICTORY! LE PARADE! LE GLORY!
Its just like in the world cup
>>507742693
>It precipitates the collapse of civilization.
Europe is collapsing due to birth control pills invented in the 1960s

>>507743349
the feminism and shitskins you sent our way has nothing to do with europe's collapse at al
i hope the next ICBM hits you directly on your giant nose, subhuman

>>507739108 (OP)
>To defeat Iran, you would need an American Army in the multiple millions, like 5 million at least.

We will have an army of 5 million people. Drafted and sent to Iran. There will be millions of casualties but not one person will speak out against it. It's what they voted for.

>>507743338
And they failed, “stopping communism” is not a clear goal.

The ONLY reason the humiliation in Vietnam was not worse was because Nixon smartly reached out to China first and basically allied with them against the Soviets and their puppets.

>>507743667
>the feminism and shitskins you sent our way has nothing to do with europe's collapse at al
Birth control pills
The feminism is just made possible by it
Pregnant women with 4 kids by age 23 do not have time for feminism
Everything else is some mental disfunction triggered by your (realistic) fear of extinction. Some cope that some ideology will make it better

>>507743893
You are an idiot if you think that would happen.
Even in Vietnam, like 90% of draftees just didn’t respond or ran away.
America would implode with a massive draft calling millions.

It would require a WWII level military buildup, which is not possible since the USA sold off all its industrial capacity to Asians.

American can’t even supply millions of troops in a theatre anymore.

>>507743976
The USA should have simply remained forever in Vietnam. And physically invade the north, which they never tried to do so.
Same as just remaining forever in Afghanistan.
Its done just fine in europe and Japan and south Korea, troops in place for 80 years and it works just fine.
You can just charge taxes locally to pay for it, directly or disguised as "investment plan"

>>507743349
He achieved his goal and defeated the Persian state, becoming it’s new King.

He won because he drew the Persian forces OUT of their heartlands where they could be crushed in a decisive battle far from their supplies.
He also invaded from the West which meant he could always retreat safely into more favourable territory.
And he knew how to deal with the Satraps and bring them over to his side rather than having them unite under Darius.

>>507744498
In vietnam they didn't have a reason worth dying for: Trump. They will die for Him. We will bear any harsh conditions, fight with minimal supplies, rebuild the war machine because Trump has inspired us!

>>507744517
Nah id rather watch Iran turn you into one of those cockroaches encased in glass

>>507744517
Not possible if the investment is too high AND you never commit enough to finish anything.

To achieve their goals in Vietnam, the collapse of Vietnamese Communism, it would have required a FAR larger commitment and likely expanded the war to include China as well which the USA could not likely handle.
The Soviets stopping it would have been possible as well.
America would have lost such a conflict undoubtably without resorting to nuclear weapons.

Ironically the best solution was Nixons and if it was taken up years earlier it would have worked out for the best, maybe they could have even supported a Chinese invasion of vietnam instead and split the country along an agreed border like Korea.

>>507744517
>>507745223
Oh look 2 rabbis writing more religious scripture

>>507745001
You’re just a bitter lefty cuck and trump can't make domestic arms factories. appear out of the ground.

The USA simply cannot support a massive army anymore.

It would take decades to even rebuild such a capability.

>>507744809
>, becoming it’s new King.
He died of GRIDS during a campaign. His state fell apart right as he died. His victory was pointless. He had no goals except smashing shit.
Defeated Persia? The same Persia that still existed after he died? Persia isnt gone just because some king was killed.
>>507745137
>Nah id rather watch Iran turn you into one of those cockroaches encased in glass
USA gets 500 billion dollars a year from being the world police. It can print money and use it to pay for imports. It gets countries with large export surpluses to invest that money in the US. Thats taxation.
The US is exporting security, no reason to not do that also in Afghanistan. Even to announce a future date of the end of the occupation ensures defeat.
What afghan would cooperate with the US and gain enemity of the taliban when the US has announced they will leave? That isnt the dawn of a new era.

>>507745223
>Not possible if the investment is too high
Its not high if you just tax the locals
>>507745223
>AND you never commit enough to finish anything.
Correct, lack of seriousness all around. George Friedman thinks its done on purpose to destabilize eurasia, and not done when the US really wants a country to be stable, like Germany or Japan.

>>507739395
And WW2, even though they say we "Won", we all lost as soon as Germany fell.

>>507739108 (OP)
Even with a massive army in Iran it would take decades of guerilla warfare to quell the local population (which won't happen) but even then Iran is at a logistical crossroads for China and Russia. They will funnel weapons and troops into Iran ad infinitum until we die. It will literally be a much much bigger Afghanistan.

>>507740385

I assume this is the goal but Israel can't project power in the Middle East if US is destroyed or unwilling/unable to fight further. It's a tiny, incompetent apartheid pariah nation surrounded by historical enemies, it's likely that any of its attempts to rule over Middle East would be neutralized fairly quickly. If for no other reason then because some other power wants to fill the vacuum. It's now protected by US from total anhiliation, with US out of the picture it would be a sitting duck.

Also, I don't see either US or Iran truly destroyed if they want to war, it would be a clusterfuck that would hurt them both but they'd survive and resent Israel even more after it. Any short term gains Israel would get from US/Iran war would come back to bite them in the ass in the long term

>>507739108 (OP)
Israel is going to be behind the entire resistance to American forces

Thats the CIA's job. To spread communism to other countries and then kill Americans who are forced to intervene.

>>507744517
>The USA should have simply remained forever in Vietnam
Right. Down to the last white man