Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time? Or was it always obvious bullshit

>>507777935 (OP)
Yes, but I was also 12.

>>507777935 (OP)
Oldfag here
as in, 1974 oldfag

Now, it was always bullshit
No nation will ever kill itself. No matter who your leader is. You can even look at Trump or the biggest muslim jihadist in the world, they will never truly sacrifice themselves and the person they've chosen as an equal to live on.

WMD/MAD will never happen.

Oldfag here.
The WMDs were pretty credible at the time. A bunch of countries
>France
>Israel
>UK
All had intelligence that backed up WMDs. In addition to that, Iraq kept bluffing about having a nuke. They kicked out inspectors, and basically acted like they were going to fire a nuke any day now if America invaded.
In retrospect it was bullshit, but so was first marriage.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was always bullshit.
Same with the Patriot Act ... and the same gop shit bags pushed it back then, too.

I'm a trump supporter, but not if we're going to get into the jew made bullshit "war".

>>507777935 (OP)
I was a kid at the time, but I've asked my parents about this before and they said they didn't really know, but their gut feeling was that they didn't exist.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was blatantly false, even then. You’re too young to know or remember what that time was like, obviously. You have no idea how cranked up the propaganda machine can really go. And even if you see through it, most people don’t. And even if they do, the politicians still act on their own propaganda anyway.
Even the first Iraq war was waged based on false narratives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

>>507778639
>The WMDs were pretty credible at the time
Only if you only listened to network news.
Even if all you did was listen to network news, you should have clearly seen that we were being fed a total line of bullshit.

>>507777935 (OP)
No, I knew it was BS.
Every few weeks, all the major news stations would change their talking points simultaneously, alternating between discussing the need to spread freedom and democracy to Iraq, and Iraq's WMDs. It was clear to me there was no independent media on the situation and that the news stations were getting orders from above, either the Pentagon or White House.
This was ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, and MSNBC. All switched their talking points, between those two topics, in tandem.
I was in my early 20s and could see through it. Of course I wasn't yet aware of how deep the control is, but my spidey sense was tingling.

>>507777935 (OP)
Syria had WMDs, he gassed his own people. Chemical weapons are WMDs, that's what they said Iraq had. Why wouldn't they have it? He most likely just moved them to Syria.

The big question is who gives a shit if they had WMDs?

>>507777935 (OP)
Oldcunt.
Gulf War 1 - Yes, we knew Saddam had chemical agents because he'd used them on the Iranians and Kurds. And the US and Germany had sold him the machinery to make it.
Gulf War 2 - No, he'd got rid of it all because he knew it was an excuse to get invaded.
Same as Gaddaffi in Labya, he made a public show of destroying all his WMDs to disarm the US neo-cons from using them.

>>507777935 (OP)
I was in my early 20s and ate that shit up. I'm not buying it this time around. If an attack happens here, it wasn't Iran.

1978. It was blatantly bullshit. Bush even did a comedy routine where he pretended to look for WMDs under couch cushions. Everyone knew he wanted to invade to avenge his daddy.

>>507777935 (OP)
I mean not really, no one really knew what to think but I was a freshman in high school. Even then though I didn't understand what Afghanistan was to anyone. If anyone in America even knew about that place it was from watching Rambo III, so it was hard to imagine them pulling anything remotely like that off. But at the time, for me, no one really knew what to think.

>>507777935 (OP)
>Don't drop that shit

whoops I fucked up my timelines, the WMD shit never even registered I was just a kid I was thinking of 9/11 for some reason

>>507778734
And Iraq used a bunch of nasty stuff in their war with Iran. Chemical warfares, etc.

>>507779425
Colin Powell famously testified that a mushroom cloud could soon appear over a major US city. The WMD rhetoric was not just about chemical weapons.

>>507777935 (OP)
nigga I was 8

>>507779421
I remember when one voice came from all of them demanding we stay with cable TV lol.

>>507777935 (OP)
We thought it was real, honestly you could sell us any "middle east bad" story right after 9/11 and we'd gobble it up.

>>507779838
Iraq had WMDs (chemical) confirmed. He said he destroyed it all. Bush said he didn't and still had some. They went there and there were none in Iraq. Later they were used in Syria but by then nobody gave a shit anymore.

What they also said is terrorists will get these chemical weapons and use them in western cities, just like they're saying about Iran now. Do you believe it? Back then they did.

>>507777935 (OP)
No.
The head of the CIA said they didn't have evidence of WMDs and Bush sent troops in, then said if congress didn't approve more troops for an invasion, they were betraying the sparse number of troops he sent by executive order.

>>507777935 (OP)
Dave Chappelle ran the world

>>507779737
>Pray da God you don't drop that shit

Sadaam didnt have WMD but he was bluffing like he did
When inspectors would show up to inspect he would have 18 wheelers (of course they were empty) moving around in his country knowing the US was watching from above.
He was bluffing because he did want other countries to think he was more powerful than he was.
He didnt have WMD the US knew it but because he bluffed like he did have them the US feigned ignorance and used his bluff as an excuse.

>>507779838
>Iraq used a bunch of nasty stuff in their war with Iran.
Even if that did actually happen.... what business is it of ours?

Oh and the media constantly alluded/conflated that Iraq had done 9/11 even though all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. I think most boomers still think Iraq did 9/11

>>507777935 (OP)
I remember the UK media referring to them as "supposed" or "so called" WMDs which is a British way of saying they are absolute horseshit

Born in 82. Political awakening was during the Bush Gore election. Never believed the bullshit for one second.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was the point where neocons overplayed their hand. Saddam let the IAEA go wherever they wanted; he hid nothing. They gambled that enough Americans would believe they were being told the truth and that anything Powell said was gospel.

And of course, the loudest question nobody was asking was, "What the hell does this have to do with Al Qaeda and 9/11?"

>>507777935 (OP)
No me and muh bros didn't believe it but we had Halo 1 online so we didn't care what was going on in real life too much.

i was just getting done being a wee lad and believed it based on newspapers/parents. by 2007 at 13 y/o i was clear pilled on everything once i started lurking various places online.

>>507779421
Shock and Awe though, right bro!?
We're finally going in to get Saddam.
He rapes babies and illegally fishes with RPGs and shit.

>>507777935 (OP)
obvious bullshit always
and i even went and had "military" experience because of it fml

>>507777935 (OP)
It didn't matter either way. Iraq armed with chemical and biological weapons was no threat to America, as we saw in the first Gulf War.

>>507779094
>Only if you only listened to network news.
That was the only source of news back then.

Internet news was just pundits ranting about everything and /x/ schizos.

>>507777935 (OP)
'84 oldfag

it was obviously bullshit, even at the time

>>507777935 (OP)
I might sound old to some of you here but back then after the towers it was damn obvious to absolutely everyone some middle eastern country was going to get it. Maybe some other anons don’t feel the same but something like that generally prompts a country to make a statement in some way

was in high school at the time. i believed it. when a friend told me he knews soldiers who were 'tired of defending oil fields for bush' was what led me down extreme suspicion of government. at 39 i'm a turbo loser, but am politically wise.

>>507780296
Pretty much.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was always bullshit. Whats actually astonishing is alot of the same talking points are being used now.

>>507777935 (OP)
Was always bullshit. That Doctor Kelly dude getting murdered was sus as fuck as well and it was just a silly concept. Ofcourse an army has weapons if mass destruction....thats kinda their job

>>507779672
Avenge his daddy of what? He didn't invade to avenge his dad, he invaded because Netanyahu and the Jews in the DOD at the time told him to invade. Go read "The Clean Break" memo.

>>507779737
>>507780252
I still quote this at least once a week 20+ years later. Incredible.
>Cradle of fuckin civilization

>>507777935 (OP)
Obvious bullshit, and Colin Powell's reputation never recovered.

>>507777935 (OP)
I didn't pay much attention to it but it was quite clear that the WMD were an invention of Tony Blair and Bush. Very obviously so.

>>507777935 (OP)
Nope it was Jew lies then Jew lies now
.I denounce the talmud, the Torah, the Bible

The white man's Bible mein kampf is all I need heil hitler TKD todt der juden

>>507779425
see >>507779903
they used the term WMD as innuendo for nukes but thought they had chemical and bio agents as a fallback for when they got proven liars about the nukes. except in the end they wound up getting proven liars on both.

>>507777935 (OP)
I believed it, yes

>>507780727
do you not know who his dad is or what he did

>>507777935 (OP)
I never felt for " we went to stop a genocide in Yugoslavia" lie as well. WMD was like a child trying to prank me lol

>>507777935 (OP)
I was 20 years old then and didn’t know about the jews. The media said that evil Sadam killed babies in incubators in Kuwait

>>507780727
His names Bush so he wanted to prove he had a bigger dick then his dad and make a load of money for his mates. Shits not that Deep man

>>507777935 (OP)
Bin Laden and Gaddafi worked for the CIA in the 70's

>>507780761
That was the message putting him out there - people should ask themselves why would Powell go out there and deliberately destroy in impeccable reputation for integrity. At the time, he was considered a presidential candidate.

But he was also a soldier. He took orders.

>>507777935 (OP)
You have to remember, it was on the heels of 9-11. I was in my 30s and had a young kids. They deliberately put Colin Powell out there to testify because he was a respected war veteran and people had a high trust for him. He was given bad intel—on purpose I believe. When the dust settled and it was not true, I think Powell genuinely felt duped and used, which is why, I believe, he ended up endorsing Obama, more than just being a black guy. I think Powell was pissed at the neocons for using his street cred for their game. So, Yes, I thought it was LIKELY true, but after it became clear it wasn’t, that’s when I realized that there was a bigger agenda and that we were all being played for another reason.

>>507777935 (OP)
Always obvious bullshit, but normies swallowed the lies as usual. I remember on the news they had an aerial picture of 3 lorries and were saying they were mobile missile launchers, but they were just hgvs.
All the wars since Thatcher/Reagan have been wars of avarice, not ideals.

He did have WMDs, it was just convenient for the Left to pretend he didn't. And then Bush and Obama fucked up the occupation so the meme narrative stuck.

>>507777935 (OP)
there were massive opposition to that war, biggest protest of history if i recall correctly all over the world.
now people are like ok bro

>>507777935 (OP)
Yes, at the time all you needed was an insecticide plant and you could produce a shit ton of nerve gas. And the arab states were experimenting with biological and chemical at the time.

>>507781105
They have loads of conventional weapons. They never found any chemical weapons

>>507777935 (OP)
70% of the normie retard pro america question nothing retards believed it, smart 30% knew it was bullshit

>>507777935 (OP)
I remember you stupid fucks renamed French fries 'freedom fries' because we politely told you to go fuck yourselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries

>>507778639
lol you dumbass. i was fucking 12 and i knew it was fake

>>507777935 (OP)
There's a reason France told the US to get lost.

>>507777935 (OP)
yes, we believed it, it wasnt obvious bullshit. But we still didnt want to us to get involved. tons of people protested it, but the government always ignores the will of the people. Only way to affect things is with real violence against the people in power

>>507777935 (OP)
The whole thing was dumb from the start. Oh yeah a Ba'athist leader is aligning with literal Wahhabists who are actively threatening his position. I know this may not have meant anything to your average American but if you were an Arab at the time you would have know that the whole thing was horseshit to begin with

>>507780569
>That was the only source of news back then.
That's now true at all. Even the way early days of the internet, there were e mail lsits people would be in to get info. Low tech facebook, basically.
Before that, there were magazines and newspapers, as well as programs on am radio.
OG Podcasts. kek

>>507778639
No they where not besides burger niggers gave them the chemical weapons in the first place so even if they still had them all came of as a farce anyway. Worst part is you absolute fags have learned nothing since then and you are walking into the same scenario agien I wonder how many burgers even know jews attacked first.
Humanity would sink into eternal darkness, it would fall into a dull and primitive state, were the Jews to win this war. They are the incarnation of that destructive force that in these terrible years has guided the enemy war leadership in a fight against all that we see as noble, beautiful, and worth keeping. For that reason alone the Jews hate us. They despise our culture and learning, which they perceive as towering over their nomadic worldview. They fear our economic and social standards, which leave no room for their parasitic drives.
Joseph Goebbels

>>507777935 (OP)
Old fag here, I was 16 in 2001 when 9/11 happened, I guess 18 in 2003 on the eve of Iraq.

So I’m pushing 40 now and I was young and naive back then, didn’t know shit about geopolitics, but the first alarm bell that rang off in my head was them finding the passports at ground zero and blaming the attack on some 3rd world shithole none of us ever heard of.

At the time I thought it was probably China, but as I said, I didn’t know shit about geopolitics or the Jews and their ways.

So the Iraq narrative started getting pushed in 2002 I guess? It happened pretty fast, CNN started talking about yellow cake 24/7 and WMD became another word you heard a lot, and then in what seemed like maybe a month of them driving this bullshit narrative we declared war on Iraq.

I didn’t care but them crying WMDs was sort of the same red flag that the passports was because it happened so fast before war was declared.

And obviously there was no WMDs but watching Shock and Awe unfold on CNN was pretty kino.

If you ask me, they’re doing the exact same thing right now with Iran.

It was obviously gigantic bullshit then. Not even the politicians speaking it believed it. There was a press dinner where Bush joked about looking around the house for WMDs but still couldn’t find any.
There were people who thought “well alright, even if there aren’t WMDs, saddam was bad and we did a good thing for the Iraqis”
Except we killed them in the hundreds of thousands and fucked up their country for decades.
There were others who thought “well even if they are no WMDs, at least we will enrich our nation with the plunder of a rich oil nation.”
Except none of the money went to us. It went to our elites, and the elites among our allies. For average Americans the war was nothing but a hardship, and it was what drove people to hate and distrust our government so much that they were willling to elect trump
Now that Trump himself is doing it, there won’t be another trump. The people will vote for fire

>>507781453
Known*

>>507777935 (OP)
I was in 6th grade and called out 9/11 as a false flag. I knew then buildings don't crumble like that from a plane. I knew that it was a planned demolition. I watched a lot of stuff on fox kids when they showed off buildings being demolished.
I was in 7th and 8th grade and I knew they were lying about WMDs.

>>507777935 (OP)
We didnt believe it but we had to back USA no matter what. Nothing's changed since then either. Anti-Iraq war protests prior to any military action still hold the record for the biggest demonstrations in Australian history with millions in the streets. We all knew it was bullshit.

>>507777935 (OP)
what the flying shit is WMD?

>>507777935 (OP)
No lol, there was protests and war crimes investigations over it.

>>507781174
Yep even in Australia the protests were huge it's the only protest I ever went to, polling here was around 70% against joining but the PM just said fuck you and did it anyway and George Bush ended up giving the faggot a medal for being his number 1 lackey

>>507781502
passports at ground zero? holy cow, that's an insane thing to hear. for a lot of us, wasn't easy being woken up to the evil of our government. close family members of mine still suffer.

>>507778639
> The WMDs were pretty credible at the time.

No they weren’t lol, I remember how that bullshit was pushed, and they had nothing. Only retards were surprised when it was revealed that Iraq had nothing, so I guess you were one of them.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was BS but it was also not.

The consensus was Saddam was up to shady shit. In hindsight ofc we know that was mostly wrong - we also know it was an impression he was consciously trying to give, and that the US lied. He had yellowcake (pre-refined uranium) and leftover chemical weapons from the Iran-Iraq war, but he wasn't doing anything with them.

The cultural background is the key to understanding. The US's politicians were fresh out of the Cold War. They were steeped in decades of thought about nuclear deterrence, MAD, game theory and so on. The Soviets could be deterred and the Cold War ended because they were rational atheists who didn't want to get blown up. Do the math, build the appropriate number of nuclear subs, and peace among men was guaranteed rationally.

9/11 took a steaming dump on that. Lo and behold here was a threat which couldn't be deterred through balding men doing cozy paperwork at diplomatic conferences for MICbux. To minds steeped in strategic calculations about nukes, that meant oh fuck all our work is obsolete overnight. We could get nuked for nothing if someone just felt like it! So sweeping the global board up to remove any nations with the Islam + nukes combo was considered obviously rational.

Jews didn't have to sell the PNAC plan. It sold itself.

Today that whole culture is gone. It was the product of a Cold War era generation of elites. Now everyone is more chill about nukes and getting chiller as missile defense becomes practical. Zoomers and millennials take shooting down missiles for granted; but in the 1980s and 1990s there were crowds of PhDs doing editorials about how it was scientifically and economically impossible.

>>507780727
This takes like 20 seconds to get to Bush Sr but yeah, this is what they're referring to shown in a really silly way.
https://youtu.be/0-Lvv1f5Qu4?list=RD0-Lvv1f5Qu4&t=83

>>507781316
There was also that shit:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6f2m4n1NVo

>>507777935 (OP)
No, also the "Afghans bombed us so we are going to bomb Iraq" never felt right to anyone with two brain cells but in america everybody was too thirsty for blood to understand that.

>>507777935 (OP)
>Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time?
We all knew it was bullshit. Nobody gave two shits about Iraq. It was all 911, lets bomb afghanistan. Wait, why are we bombing Iraq???

Another "protect the jews" war.

>>507781105
Bullshit. Bush even joked about it like HAHA all these guys died for nothing. Pound sand neocon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPQHA-ESnlo

>>507777935 (OP)


I supported it because at the time I believed the 9/11 narrative that these Arabs came to our country and pushed our shit in. So, I thought it would be good to go to their country and beat their asses in. I realized I was wrong, though, when I started researching what really happened on 9/11.

>>507777935 (OP)
Obvious bulllshit. It’s like when Trump speaks. Everyone knows he’s lying, but one side agrees to pretend he’s not.

>>507777935 (OP)
The brainwashing was insane. After 9/11 all you heard about was TERROR TERROR TERROR. This changed to WEAPONS IF MASS DESTRUCTION and it all just seemed like a natural continuation of the war in Afghanistan.

>>507777935 (OP)
I was 14 and skeptical but also more concerned with acquiring my first blow job in April 2003, approximately 1 month after the invasion.

>>507781502
only this time, they cried wolf too many times. And since the internet is so prevalent, the powers cant just lie anymore either. And everyone has the power of broadcast, something only jews and elites owned before.

>>507777935 (OP)
Obvious bullshit. Everyone knew, no-one can pretend otherwise.

>>507777935 (OP)
Tbh is was at least plausibly credible that they had chemical weapons based on prior experience from Desert Storm.

It was still an obvious bullshit justification that was repeated and reinforced to extremely inorganic levels by the media and was clearly not the real reason for the invasion.

>>507778639
wasn't the credible source literally just benjamin netanyahu saying "trust me bro"

>>507777935 (OP)
>Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time?

Was pretty obvious that it was just a pretext for something they were already planning to do, but the country was a lot different back then. The internet didn't have as much influence and the media propaganda efforts started in earnest in November 2001.This is one of the reasons I'm not so worried about the prospects of a ground war in Iran. If it was really happening, the war drums would have been going hard for a while now, but no one really cares that much.

>>507777935 (OP)
I was in elementary school at the time and knew it was bullshit. I went deep into the 911 truth movement in my late teens, PNAC, Skull and Bones society, Freemasonry, etc.

There was a lot of astroturfed disinfo going around at the time. There were also a lot of hippie leftists in these forums.

>>507777935 (OP)
nah
even Americas allies called them out on it officially
as on the nose as falseflags go

>>507777935 (OP)
95% of people did not believe Saddam had nukes, or was even remotely close to getting nukes.

But 75% of people were aware Saddam had Chem/Bio weapons. And most of those people were aware the US sold them to Saddam.

We also spent 10 years at war with Iraq. Directly under Bush Sr during the 1st Iraq War, and the indirectly under Clinton with 8 years of No Fly Zones, Sanctions, and random bombings.

Even with all that there wasn't much real support for an invasion of Iraq. The best the corrupt jew media could shill in their polling was 40%-51% support for war. The real number was probably around 20%. But ultimately it doesn't matter what the People want when you're living in an Apartheid State.

>>507777935 (OP)
Didn't really matter at the time, nobody gave a shit about WMD, the rest of the world was stupefied by 911, they could've just invaded and nobody would've given a shit.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was wild being Canadian in the runup to that because the internet was saying "lol bullshit" and our media was saying "lol bullshit" and every world media was saying "lol bullshit" and then you'd turn on literally any American network including the left-wing ones and it was 24/7 "Saddam is about to nuke Manhattan if we don't invade right now there is incontrovertible proof let's go go go"

>>507781316
That was embarrassingly stupid.
I'm just glad it all happened before the tiktok era.

I believed there were no WMD's in Iraq when the USA attacked. Debkafile, who appeared to have sources in Israeli intelligence, leaked that the WMDs were transported to Syria, at least a day before the Iraq invasion. So if Iraq had WMDs, they were no longer in Iraq.
After the invasion, the Americans would talk about the same transfer to Syria. Debkafile used to publish spoilers for what the Americans would say, long before the Americans said it.

>>507777935 (OP)
I remember suspecting something was up when all the gutter press here suddenly united in their hatred of Saddam.

>>507782131
It was a Pearl Harbor/USS Maine/Gulf of Tonkin style incident.

Elites already had made their debates and arrived at a consensus. The question was how to get the masses on board. So magic passports. A lot of information from the 2001-2004 internet has been lost but a social graph of the hijackers training sites and CIA links is still out there.

>>507777935 (OP)
>Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time?
I remember my grandpa telling me they were jewish lies in a roundabout way, and then the Internet convinced me.

>>507777935 (OP)
Of course they had WMDs and we knew about it. Raytheon still had the sales receipts from their 1980s Iran war!

>>507777935 (OP)
>Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time? Or was it always obvious bullshit
I never gave it much thought. I was extremely bluepilled, a naive 20-something year old. The internet was still young and "conspiracy theories" existed, but most people brushed them off. It's just so much different now, but good for the ppl who were awake back then; they were WAY ahead of the curve.

>>507777935 (OP)
No. I didn't understand why the US would allow the US to destroy a country like that. Pretty sure the news was making it sound like a conquest and not the US doing the world a favour.

>>507777935 (OP)
yep, fell for it hookline and sinker
>hur dur well destroy Iraq and be back by christmas
my dad tried to tell me we would easily btfo iraq but then we would get stuck their for years like punching tar
i was in high school though

>>507782422
and i would like to add Colin Powell and the like sounded like they knew and just didn't care it showed

>>507781502
>If you ask me, they’re doing the exact same thing right now with Iran.
the difference now is they don't even bother whit the false flag and shit they just say iran can't have nukes and when Israel calls america can only obey.

>>507777935 (OP)
I was 13 when 9/11 happened. I remember people saying “how do we know that?” “Why are we attacking Iraq when they had nothing to do with it?”

>>507781724
Yes, jet fuel melted steel beams, but not passports. That’s the bullshit they fed us, and then we lunched Operation Tora Bora or whatever and bombed a bunch of mountains in Afghanistan for no fucking reason before it was boots on the ground to grow poppies for opium production.

I am not making this up.

Oh, and the ANA, Afghan National Army, we were expected to ignore their officers having underage boy lovers by our Jewish politicians.

>>507781664
You're not allowed to post here until you're 18.

>>507778639
A lot of people wanted to believe they were real because they were jewish psyoped. This is when benny shapiro got started.

Better to fall for this than the clotshot

>>507777935 (OP)

83 here, we knew it was bollocks.
Blair is going to Hell.

>>507781035
Gaddafi was more of a contractor than anything, Bin laden was being paid and armed

>>507782530
>any American network including the left-wing ones and it was 24/7 "Saddam is about to nuke Manhattan if we don't invade right now there is incontrovertible proof let's go go go"
That was a moment where anyone in the US against the invasion was considered a traitor. I remember some people like Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore being not just blacklisted but also humiliated for opposing the invasion. There was probably much more but being brazilian at a time when internet was crawling it was pretty difficult to know what was really happening.

>>507782970
The entire afghan “war” was to protect opium production and the flow of drugs from the golden triangle. Just like how the army raided Iraqi gold. It was a gigantic theft operation.

>>507782078
True but the people that are elected don't give two shits about the country or people they are supposed to run

>>507777935 (OP)
Who dat nigga ?

>>507777935 (OP)
That Iraq had them? I was a teenager. It sounded like bullshit, but it's not like you could prove it at the time. And no one gave a shit what I thought about it.
My brother was similar. I remember him saying on 9/11, after I got home from school, that America shouldn't have been fucking around in the Middle East. Not that they deserved it or anything, but that that funding mujahedin against the Soviets and shit like that had obvious risks and now consequences.
My boomer father on the other hand bought it completely. Along with similar stuff. When it became apparent that it was all lies he felt betrayed and became a tankie. He needs a good guy and a bad guy for some reason. So now he hates America and thinks BRICS is awesome and believes all of their propaganda instead.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was obvious bullshit

>>507781316
That was so gay and got raked over the coals and lambasted, shit lasted a week
The NeoCohens were the biggest bunch of faggots, you guys remember when one of them ordered the statue of Colombia in the capital covered up because it had one breast exposed?
Ludicrously embarrassing

>>507783326
rent is too damn high brotha?

>>507783247
Ive noticed this, which makes me wonder whats to be done other than outright violence or going after politicians guillotine style like they did in the past (not saying we should do that)

>>507777935 (OP)
kinda, it was plausible because they certainly gassed the living shit out of the kurds

>>507781777
>The cultural background is the key to understanding. The US's politicians were fresh out of the Cold War. They were steeped in decades of thought about nuclear deterrence, MAD, game theory and so on
by that logic you should be at war whit every armed country on the globe the truth is you did it for Israel and being to retarded to realise is not really a excuse

These topics are all so fucking stupid and shilled by the dumbest. Most are shit stirring counter intel. Many are just plain dumb. They buy propaganda.

It didn't matter is that answer. Blood remained and active military rearming. It didn't seek peace or stability it sought weapons.

>>507781671
I was part of the largest protest in US history in LA at the time, hundreds of thousands of people
It did nothing. And that’s when I knew protests against the federal government are useless
Like the bioluminescent niggers they are they only understand one language

>>507783203
>That was a moment where anyone in the US against the invasion was considered a traitor.
It was absolutely insane
Phil Donahue had his decades-long TV career ended, ON MSNBC, for suggesting that maybe the evidence of Iraqi WMDs wasn't possibly that strong in some cases and perhaps a closer examination might be considered before blowing up a country of 40 million people where actually the US might not be greeted as liberators by a grateful population that had recently forgotten how half a million of them had been starved to death by Clinton
They didn't bust out that level of screaming hate for anyone saying "wait a minute" again until COVID

>>507781530
No i think people will give up. After the Iraq war there wasn't a load of 50 and 60 year olds saying the US cant be trusted. They just buried their heads.

Nobody believed that shit and they did what they wanted anyway

>>507777935 (OP)
i only was afraid of anthrax hoax at first becuase it was in the news every day, but after it turned out to be bullshit, i believed none of it anymore. also one of our politicians gave an interview after the UN summit stating that he doesn't believes in the WMD accusations and that's why we didn't participate in the Iraq invasion. we always made fun on tv about americans being naive with the bird flu and getting vaxxed. the lügenpress had less of an impact back then, than with covid in 2019, there was zero opposition to the covid narrative on tv here, so i understand why americans were brainwashed, because for them it always been like that.

>>507777935 (OP)
Bullshit

>>507779425
Iraq gassed Iranians in the war and their own soldiers when they were overrun.

Chemical weapons were widely documented

>>507777935 (OP)
I never believed it. It was pretty obvious that they were using Afghanistan as a staging area to go over to Iraq. No one was talking Iraq at all for like 2 years until they tried to push the WMD lie. A lot of people knew it was a lie. You can only talk about knowing something the president says is a lie for so long. Definitely by the time Nigger Obama was in-office all that talk had died down considerably. HJJm82

>>507777935 (OP)
>Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time? Or was it always obvious bullshit

9/11 was such a shock that most Americans couldn't believe it, and generally when a shock like that happens the population trusts media more. You have to remember back then that media/Politicians/Government agencies had much more credibility back then. There were dissenting voices, but I think Americans filled with jingoistic rage just wanted some revenge, the propaganda labeled all arabs as Jihadist towel heads and fast forward....we no longer trust anything they say.

>>507777935 (OP)
I didn't believe it.
It appeared to be bullshit.
But it also appeard most Amerimutts wanted to believe.
Remember it was only 2 years after 9/11 and Bush junior was just gonna finnish what his father started.

>>507779425
>Chemical weapons are WMDs, that's what they said Iraq had. Why wouldn't they have it?
They had it because we gave it to them during the Iran-Iraq War 1980-88.

>>507777935 (OP)
I believed it but as the first post best post said like I was around the 12-year page. Mark, maybe a little younger. Maybe a little older. However, as I grew to be a teenager, I stood by the fact that I felt like Saddam Hussein was enough problems for us and his own people that he need to be taken care of me. Personally, I think that we should be the world police. I think we should be the almighty cock of the world and I think we should fucking destroy all evil instead of letting it grow. Then we would have just stuck to our guns in the Cold war and really just kept pressing shit on Russia after this shit. Putin would never have gotten the power that he had. If we would have never left Afghanistan and Iraq and all that other bullshit and if we would have just conquered everything around there we wouldn't have all these fucking Rich, Saudi cocksuckers and all these other towelheads fucking destroying the rest of the world even if they're not doing harm for the rest of the world. There are fucking fighting each other which is bringing the rest of the world into their bullshit and they hate the rest of the world because they're fucking prudes

>>507778639
>The WMDs were pretty credible at the time. A bunch of countries
>>France
>>Israel
>>UK
>All had intelligence that backed up WMDs

Bullshit.

>>507777935 (OP)
it was kinda bullshitty but ill admit i held my breath as the american troops hit the ground; hard to remember now, but there was pretty much total support for the conflict in the US, all over the MSM, and even liberals elsewhere supported going to Iraq, people like Blair obviously, but also Chris Hitchens etc...
Canada refused to be drawn though thankfully; I'm hoping Carney tells Trump to get fucked if there's talk of some coalition bullshit this time also.

>>507781456
>there were magazines and newspapers
Who do you think owned them?

>>507777935 (OP)
bullshit all of it. That was the year america went down the shitter. fucking neo cons murder the american dream just to get fuckt in the ass by jews.

>>507777935 (OP)
I joined the navy after 9/11 and I didn't follow politics enough to know or care about the WMD stuff. I joined because we were attacked.
I didn't get into politics until Obama ran and I was against him. Now I'm here and my house is full of Nazi stuff.

Both Bush and Kerry (2004 elections) were part of the same secret society at Yale University. When I found out about this I came to the conclusion that democracy is a scam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton
https://archive.org/details/AmericasSecretEstablishmentAntonyC.Sutton

>>507783755
Perhaps I'm misremembering but those anthrax letters were sent to the few politicians that opposed the Patriot Act.

>>507782017
100%, there was first the “terrorism” narrative and then it switched overnight to WMDs.

After that, it was “insurgents” and IEDs, the whole shitshow that was Fallujah, and then more troops getting blown the fuck up 24/7 and the need for more money to reinforce Humvees so troops can keep their balls.

Oh and there was a theory that is the middle east prospered and sold oil to Europe, Europe, Russia and China would get too friendly and the US would be frozen out of most of the world.
So the US has an interest in keeping Russia at war and the middle east in chaos. Beyond just robbing gold and stealig oil.

Keeps them on top for a little longer.

>>507783673

No it wasn't considered anything. It was considered the removal of the Saddam Regime. There have been no convictions for it. Instead Democrats and Europeans used it as platform for mass migration and dystopian surveillance states.

Hence we hear your fucking bullshit whataboutism. Where you have no other brains. But why and do you remember it. Yea so what. It didn't matter. A regime causing terror is not one you can do peace with when it causes war.

>>507777935 (OP)
no one with more than 2 braincells firing believed it
only retard christcucks
same as today
only retard christians believe Israel

Now that I think about it, it was always stupid

>these sand niggers who have camels and live in the desert walking around with towelheads have one of the most advanced weapons on the planet

Yeah right.

>>507777935 (OP)
I don't particularly care about it. I'd be happier if they started using them instead of warning and threatening people with their use. Just drop and launch them. What's the big deal? We all have to die eventually anyway. Might as well make it fun!

>>507779425
>iraq had
Yeah, before they lost the gulf war, the UN imposed a bunch of shit on them to not make or keep any, and they were subject to routine inspections at the pleasure of the US who then blew up at least one suspicious factory or whatever the fuck that was about.
The basically told the public that none of that happened and Iraq was going to nuke a major city if Bush wasn't allowed to refight his daddy's war.

>>507784585
It'd hard to believe any democracy with a strong CIA like organisation is a real democracy.

We look at China and wish we could be more like them. The powers that be select politicians for us to pick from.

Helldivers makes fun of it. An AI helps people be democratic. I never played the game.

>>507777935 (OP)
Yes, I believed it. I fell for it.

>>507784249
Probably a bunch of jews.
But, I am not talking about mainstream magazines and newspapers. There's always been "alt press".
They were also probably owned by jews.
kek
But, that's how you found the off beat news.

>>507783538
The way I se it there is no other way than introducing severe term limits and strict conflicting interest rules that the people make sure is enforced. The current corruption and arrogance your average western leader displays these days is not gona work out and can't last if there is to be any hope for us no mather how it's ended/reset or what to call it any method is preferable to the path we are on

I was 11 when 9/11 happened, which is the spot where you're too young to know who Saddam really was. I just assumed he was another muzzie that helped with the attacks or something. Most of adult America still cheered his capture and execution because we're retarded. I remember walking into class in middle school and the history teacher wrote "We got him!" really big on the white board. We didn't start to question it until these wars went on for ten, fifteen, twenty years.

>>507777935 (OP)
Oh, yellow cake

>>507782530
>>507782530
>>507782530
This is all true.

More: The image of the nigger Colin Powell with his gay test tube on the UN claiming it was somehow proof of Iraq's WMD...
It was all so unbelievably tacky and pathetic...
Even France and Germany notoriously refused to go along with the invasion and said publicly it was all bullshit (there is no good reason to invade).

And the Amerimutts led a campaign to take the French out of the French fries.
Utterly pathetic.

The truth though is that since that time no men were allowed to rule France or Germany by the USA and the jews. Only faggots and women can rule those places now.

>>507784334
They home grow all of their politicians. It became a thing mostly after the Federal Reserve Act was put in place, which granted the elites infinite money to buy out anyone they wanted.

>>507784585
>kike so absoutely seething that he can't even make sense

>>507784925
But you cant do that when the enforcers are also the ones being enforced upon. They control the court and the police, so to speak. This Israel business already exposed to me that no one in government cares about the constitution or rules anymore.

>>507777935 (OP)
Absolutely not, I don't think anyone did and the fact we had the largest anti-war protests this nation has ever seen about it, and the fact that got ignored cemented my distrust in the government forever.

>>507785035
>Only faggots and women can rule those places now.
Yeah, same here when we didn't get involved. The vassals paid the price for talking back

>>507783538
>not saying we should do that
Why not? Time's long due.

>>507777935 (OP)
WMDs weren't portrayed as the big reason to invade at the time. They were also clear that they only believed there to be a couple of trucks worth of chemical weapons in some buildings.

The opposition made WMDs the reason for the invasion, because Bush framed his address in a way that they realized they could keep pressing it in a way to backfire.

>>507785035
ynr this alliance
vgh

>>507779094
>Only if you only listened to network news.
That was back when network news was pretty much the word of god, tho
The internet at the time thought it was laughable and they were proven completely right

>>507783590
No, that's a severe misunderstanding based on projecting backwards from the modern era.

In that school of thought, everything was going to be a rosy peaceful globohomo neoliberal new world order. There would be no more wars because the Cold War's resolution of nuclear MAD established a rational model for non-conflict.

>>507777935 (OP)
He had them before when he gas the Kurds so the idea that he had some hidden on trucks made sense at the time.

>>507785240
It is possible to do you just got to demand it what if the kids hole country just shuts down but this require
the will to do it and organisation but then agien we never really act before the crisis has happened sad but true everyone just wants to eat dogshit food and watch tv in stead of having a say in how their country is run

>>507785319
I don't know if the vassals paid the price. I think the vassals just caved in.

>>507785651
Look!
It's like it was a million years ago!
Fuck jews.
Fuck Amerimutts!

>>507777935 (OP)
I was really young and not really tuned in, but I remember people saying the plan was to use Iraq to get to Iran even back then. You had memes like "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" and shit, and "IRAN WANTS WAR, LOOK HOW CLOSE THEY BUILT THEIR COUNTRY NEXT TO OUR MILITARY BASES"
I also remember some people saying Bush jr just wanted to finish what his dad started with the Gulf War in the 90s

>>507782970
>and the ANA, Afghan National Army, we were expected to ignore their officers having underage boy lovers by our Jewish politicians.
And king nigger and crew actually punished a sgt and a Lt that kicked the shit out of ANA commander after he kidnapped a little village boy and chained him to his bed for sodomy and then beat his mom, (dad was dead)
https://aclj.org/human-rights/major-victory-martland-exonerated-will-remain-in-military
Fucking king nigger being a faggot that he was tried to punish them because faggots are so vastly disproportionately pederasts
The thing that I always roll my eyes about is them saying he only pushed him over the table
COME ON! He beat that sodomite dune coon unconscious and that’s awesome

>>507779425
>>507779903
>>507780881
this is a slide Powell showed the UN I believe, alleging that Iraq was building nukes

>>507785987
This is all true.

>>507785910
You are just overcomplicating burgers being high on their own farts thinking they can now do whatever retarded shit they wanted cause noone would say no

Oh god can we please stop with the "Jews did 9/11" shit already? The same numbskulls are saying stuff like ISIS = Israel. Not everything is a conspiracy. Jihadists, wahhabists whatever you wanna call them do exist and have existed for a long time. It irritates me seeing Westerners saying dumb shit like this. Go fucking tell that to Shia Iraqis who lost their families to ISIS.

>>507777935 (OP)

Even back then there was some pretty obvious whataboutism, and people that were a part of the inspection team submitting reports that there was nothing there.

I remember an article about some sort of tractor-trailer based chemical lab bullshit on how they could move it before the inspectors got there with drawings of how it worked.

Gulf War I was for Oil
Gulf War II was because France and Russia got better positioning than the US did at the end of I.

I was a kid but when I asked my dad why they did 9/11 his response was unironically “they hate us because of our freedom.”

>>507786258
Humanity would sink into eternal darkness, it would fall into a dull and primitive state, were the Jews to win this war. They are the incarnation of that destructive force that in these terrible years has guided the enemy war leadership in a fight against all that we see as noble, beautiful, and worth keeping. For that reason alone the Jews hate us. They despise our culture and learning, which they perceive as towering over their nomadic worldview. They fear our economic and social standards, which leave no room for their parasitic drives.
Joseph Goebbels

>>507777935 (OP)
It was always bullshit. Remember, bibis been telling us the same shit for 30+ years that "Iran is 2 weeks from a nuke"
They also said Iraq had yellow cake
Well all knew they were lying, govt still did what it wanted to. This will be another 20 year meat grinder to prop up Israel

>>507785624
At least that's how I remember it.

The WMDs thing really only blew up a few months or years into the operation, when PBS, CNN etc. made documentaries about it and it became a constant talking point on left wing media outlets and late night shows.

The main reason was alway to bring democracy, free the oppressed people, remove the threat to Israel, Kuwait etc. and then they'd always amend that evidence for the presence of WMDs made it even more pressing (read legal) to invade.

>>507785942
the chemical weapons got destroyed and Saddam admitted UN weapon inspectors into the country but even after that the US still claimed that there are WMDs, which made it less believable

>>507786258
No, because unironically it IS the Jews causing these problems

>>507786239
I knew some of the elites from that era during it. Not secretaries or department appointees or names you'd recognize, but people in the gc equivalents of the day. That's how they thought.

>>507784316
forgive yourself anon.

>>507786319
Kek I remember that the mobile wmd facilities I do kinda get why they look down on the voters they just forget they are also retarded

>>507784316
besides, i'm sure you got great experience and good training.

>>507786093
> saddam was making nukes with a fucking sewer pipe

>>507786729
Yes I know the whole end of history meme and all that shit but I don't se how that is relevant to becoming slaves to Israel witch is all Iraq 2 was about

>>507777935 (OP)
Here's what a lot of people are missing in their responses:
It was credible *if you bought into the credibility of the administration*.
It was not credible if you didn't buy into the administration's credibility.
Right wingers like myself ate it up with a spoon. Everyone else saw right through it, vocally so.
It's the same now. People who believe Trump can do no wrong see this as credible. The rest of us see this as history repeating itself. A lot of people jumped on the Trump train due to being fed up with the Iraq War and they are making the same mistake as those of us who supported Bush, falling for the same exact shit they called out when they were younger.

>>507777935 (OP)
No but everyone thought it was for oil instead of jews.

>>507781915
This is sick. I legitimately don't think there's been a country with a more wretched history than yours'

>>507786258
>ISIS = Israel.
it just means funded by CIA/Mossad. I remember a news reporter getting cut off from a live feed because he literally said that the Americans are currently giving weapons to Daesh and other islamist groups and also articles about that. This was their strategy for regime change in Syria, they didn't care or welcomed the chaos they produced.

>>507778639
>All had intelligence that backed up WMDs. In addition to that, Iraq kept bluffing about having a nuke. They kicked out inspectors, and basically acted like they were going to fire a nuke any day now if America invaded.
Literally none of this is true

>>507781915
>Bullshit. Bush even joked about it like HAHA all these guys died for nothing. Pound sand neocon.
Bush made fun of it well after the invasion, when he had already became a joke. He was making fun of himself.
At the time he absolutely wasn't pretending like there were no WMDs. And I think he thought they were there.

>>507786258
>thread about the run-up to Iraq in 2003
>suddenly rareflag appears seething about obvious jew ops
Hmmmm

>>507777935 (OP)
I was a sophomore in high school and after 9/11 every other guy wanted to fight in the middle east.

>>507785134
I hope Shlomo's specs make a speedy recovery.

>>507777935 (OP)
Most oldfags know that the WMD sloganeering was the second 'reason'-rather justification-on invading Iraq and many of those knew then it had nothing to 'finish what daddy started' at least from what the public knew. The original talking point was 'Saddam Hussein helped/funded/harbored Osama bin Laden/Ai Qaeda.' They were all used and when they didn't work, they did t he WMD con.

>>507777935 (OP)
I did until someone suggested not long after it was the oil, that made much more sense. I was 14

>>507787620
this is probably retarded but in retrospect was jackass part of that? like if you will break your neck riding a shopping kart off a rooftop why not die in a roadside bombing

>>507787498
LMAO. Were you even alive at the time?
Anyone who was paying attention remembers this shit.
>>>All had intelligence that backed up WMDs
https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/ASPJ/journals/Chronicles/tracey.pdf
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/history-matters/what-did-happen-saddams-wmd

>> In addition to that, Iraq kept bluffing about having a nuke.
https://www.rferl.org/a/Hussein_Pretended_to_Have_WMD_Due_To_Fear_Of_Iran/1369109.html

>>They kicked out inspectors, and basically acted like they were going to fire a nuke any day now if America invaded.
https://www.gainesville.com/story/news/2003/01/07/hussein-accuses-inspectors-of-spying/31623680007/
https://www.nci.org/new/iraq-ib.htm

>>507787236
It went like this.
-oh fuck MAD is over
-ok we kill the terrorists
-but now what
-everyone is the same race is fake religion is propaganda they all want porn and democracy deep down like ww2 proved so we do a little nation-building and voila, we can retvrn to the utopia of rational peace and profits we thought we were going to have!

And of course you know the aftermath. The US crushed different Islamic groups, but they couldn't kill the idea, and killing Saddam removed the counterbalance to Iran; so Israel and Saudi were ultimately more butthurt than they had been before. Meanwhile the domestic consequences of neoliberal outsourcing were starting to hit industry at home and China was growing stronger.

>>507777935 (OP)
It wasn't so much the WMDs, it was the belief that it would be a cake walk like the first Persian Gulf war. Even if you thought WMDs were an exaggeration, at least we would be liberating a country from a dictator. The war would be wrapped up in a year or two max, Iraqis would elect a new government, and the US would have an ally in the heart of the middle east. That's why no one cared and Bush won in 04 because Iraq was set to have elections the next year and we thought that would take care of everything. But of course you can't install a modern Western government on a people who were basically still in the middle ages and have an average IQ one standard deviation below yours.

Obvious bullshit. Even as a kid, I thought that South Park episode where the kike creator called people who doubted the official narrative of 9/11 retards was absolutely golem-tier and could sense jewery afoot.

>>507788109
I remember even the fattest of fucks wanting to enlist. and no, jackass wasnt the source of it. teens have always done dumb shit

>>507777935 (OP)
Yes, everyone knew that Bush lied.

>>507778639
>Iraq kept bluffing about having a nuke. They kicked out inspectors, and basically acted like they were going to fire a nuke any day now if America invaded.
didnt happen.

>>507777935 (OP)
Most people didn’t care, they wanted to punish someone and Saddam was the unlucky sob

>>507777935 (OP)
Was like, 12.
Knew it was bullshit just from the fact they couldn't actually list what it was or how he had the mean to produce them.
The "second biggest army in the world" for a random desert shithole that they kept screaming every few minute was the cherry on top, for anyone with half a brain who might have doubt on the bullshit's exact level.

Gas? yes
Nukes? no

Gassing less than 100 people with a weak dispersal viral/chemical agent isn't a weapon of mass destruction

Everyone knew it was bullshit

>>507781322
Same lmao. I was more concerned with terrorist attacks via hijackings, bombs in tunnels, shootings etc. The whole WMD thing was clearly bullshit.

>>507788308
>They kicked out inspectors, and basically acted like they were going to fire a nuke any day now if America invaded.
That article confirms that inspections were still carried out. Were YOU alive then?

>>507777935 (OP)
I was a bit incredulous because jews were screeching about it. I was jewpilled from a young age having lived among the kikes and knew about their vile culture.

>>507777935 (OP)
That was secondary. The bigger question was what the fuck did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Absolutely nothing, and everybody knew it.
We knew it was Jews the day it happened.

>>507777935 (OP)
It didn’t matter, just like iran having nukes doesn’t matter. But yeah, you couldn’t convince anyone it was a bad idea to invade Iraq, and if you brought it up you were shamed, shunned, and called a coward and a traitor. Apparently there were massive protests but I never saw shit, just good goys talking about killing sandniggers. Hannity now is like the talking heads then. Listen to the bit by Mark Levin on Hannity and that’s what most media was like.
>Iran having nukes is, worst case, like your neighbor also having a gun. It’s only a problem if you planned on robbing him.

I think most people believed the chemical weapons WMDs, I still do, but that's the lowest they were shilling. Anything greater than that most people started to smell bullshit in months.

>>507777935 (OP)
>Wait, why do we care about Iraq NOW?

>>507777935 (OP)
I wasn't even plugged in enough to know about the WMD claims. My understanding was basically "Saddam Hussein bad" and bringing democracy and freedom. It helps remembering how retarded you were when talking to people who are similarly clueless now.

>>507778639
This was what I thought at the time too. When the US initially said it, it seemed like bullshit. But when other countries joined in, especially the Russians, it got fairly credible.

And David Corn came off like such an asshole.

>>507777935 (OP)
>I was in 5th grade
>Nobody could explain why
>Just went on as if nothing would happen and would learn when it did
>Never scared but aware enough to be as involved
>obvious giant nothingburger came of it

>>507777935 (OP)
No.

>>507782267
At the time people still thought all media outlets were independent and still did their own research. Now 50% of the nation at least knows they all parrot the government agenda and no one does any actual journalism.
Only the true schizos called out the lies as lies, and they didn’t have much ground stand on except: “this sounds fake & gay and it isn’t beneficial to us to invade iraq”
Whereas think back to covid, and the schizos had people like Robert Malone and their own (albeit small) group of experts and data to point to.
The propaganda war was much more one-sided, and they built up war fervor over a few months in advance.

>>507788780
The inspections were very contentious. You have to understand this was a time when phone cameras didn't exist, satellites were blurry crap limited to government spies, and digital radios were cutting edge stuff. The early internet was homemade blogs and BBSes. It was a world with a pre-internet mindset.
Inspections meant a set of dudes in photographers vests with clipboards being ferried to and from their hotel under military escort to see a random disguised warehouse. The context was this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction

IOW, the modern concept of rolling around anywhere and taking pics while other people take pics of you and everyone posts online later didn't exist, physically or culturally. It was like taking a tour in North Korea today. Anything you saw was because you were made to see it. Anything else could easily be hidden.

>>507777935 (OP)
No we didn't believe it. Most of us who are MAGA now were not fans of Bush then. Dems keep deluding themselves that Trump only appeals to republicans, it's why he's defeated them three times now.

>>507777935 (OP)
No. It was pretty clear to any one who thought hard about it that they had decided they were going in way beforehand (look at Clinton's antagonism/bombing of Iraq for example) and the WMD thing was just a rationalization. They knew they had the people worked into a tizzy where they could be talked into anything thanks to 9/11.

hook line and sinker, but SpongeBob was on and talking about politics in school or at the dinner table was met with punishment.
even when the class was building care packages for the troops there was this do not ask mentality. i think the end result was the supply of opioids used to soften a millitary target going straight into USA.

>>507777935 (OP)
Noone believed it really, they did however want to give the middle east a black eye.

>>507789725
This. I had friends from hardcore Conservative families that would watch The Daily Show with Jon Stewart since Neocons were so alien and inhuman. Nobody liked them outside of retarded boomers. Liberals went fucking insane under Obama and became everything they supposedly hated. There used to be a time where liberals would defend free speech to the point of arguing that openly being a "Nazi" should be allowed as long as no violence was taking place. Society rapidly declined in the last 15 years or so. I guess that's what happens when you let a bunch of foreigners who hate your guts and way of life into your country.

It was obvious bullshit, extremely obvious. Millions worldwide marched in protest against it and were ignored. There's a reason Bush43 hardly ever shows his face in public.

>>507785651
Schröder was a giant faggot too

>>507777935 (OP)
We had a lot more trust in the word of our institutions at the time, so yeah, we bit the hook.

All we really knew at the time is that 3K Americans were dead and we weren't safe anymore. Everyone thought that if they could strike us in the heart of our biggest city, they could strike us anywhere.

Every single news outlet was telling us America was under attack, Congress was reeling trying to get answers about our security failures, and Bush was The Guy who we looked towards as an authoritative figure to protect us. Didn't care much about the patriot act or anything else because we had to keep America safe from a threat we didn't understand.

If you were against the war, or the invasion, you were called a terrorist sympathizer. Politicians hand-waved our concerns and wrote off anybody who seriously questioned the war as a pussy or terrorist sympathizer. This is how we knew the Ukraine war was bullshit too, because they replaced "terrorist sympathizer" with "putin puppet" and used the same propaganda techniques.

>>507778639
Bullshit. I was in my teens at the time, and no one I knew bought it. Everyone was just pissed about 9/11 and wanted to hit a bigger target than Afghanistan.

>>507790321
untrue

>>507787354
yeah it least this time it's blatantly Jewish trickery instead of the oil cope

>>507777935 (OP)
>Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time? Or was it always obvious bullshit
Every young person thought it was bullshit. Boomers and genxers fell for it because they're retarded goycattle who believe whatever the talmudvision tells them to.

>>507790489
No we didn't faggot, speak for yourself.

>>507777935 (OP)
Obvious bullshit. Iraq had no involvement in 9/11 and was no threat to the US. They were however giving payments of $10,000 to $25,000 to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers so Israel put their foot down and sent the golem after them

>>507777935 (OP)
Boomers will internalize anything the Talmudvision programs them with, but even plenty of teenagers back then knew it was all bullshit.

>>507777935 (OP)
Everyone who attended the largest protests in the history of the world knew but the blackmailed pedophiles were in charge then as well.

>>507790892
I have multiple copies of the NYT talking about 9/11 the day after. I know the articles and what the general sentiment was. And you're a retard.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was obvious bullshit to anyone who didn’t watch fox.
Evangelicals/fundies bought into it hook, line, and sinker because “muh israel”.
Colin Powell is a fucking traitor.

>>507777935 (OP)
back then most of us were children and had no reason to believe that the world's governments, media systems, and financial institutions were infested with and compromised by globoshlomos and that everything we did geopolitically was at the behest of our israeli masters, no. i'm sure the adults had an inkling, but that's not something you "discuss" with children, and most boomers are deeply ziocucked anyway.

>>507788780
Very much so, but your other response acted like Saddam wasn't, in fact, playing games.
Those games didn't justify the invasion. I admit that now. I'm against the invasion now. But I supported them at the time, and at the time the case seemed much stronger than it wound up being in retrospect.
That's how the propaganda machine works. There are lots of people all for going into Iran now that are going to pretend they never supported it if we go in.

>>507777935 (OP)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

it always obvious bullshit

It has never mattered what you think about anything at all. Just pay taxes grouse amongst yourselves and if you are lucky you can claw your way to coveted middle class in middle America with a middle management job. The dream. The world of people is boring extremely so you need propaganda every now and again, a foil by which the most boring dumb on the planet become the hero. Or else you might actually realize middle is all you could ever hope to have.

>>507790596
>works for rothschild bank
>not a giant faggot

>>507790489
this generally aligns with my perception of the vibe back then.

>>507777935 (OP)
>Did you guys actually believe the WMD shit at the time? Or was it always obvious bullshit
Hm. I was like 13 so my opinion at the time was worth less than nothing. But no, I didn't believe it. My reason? The people saying it didn't seem to believe it. That was the vibe they gave off, and the impression I got, and so my takeaway was that powerful people were just going to do what they want regardless.

>>507777935 (OP)
it was obvious bullshit, and there were massive protests against the war in fartshartistan and around the world, ultimately W and the kikes just started the war anyway

After we invaded Afghanistan and bombed the shit out of them it was kind of a situation like we might as well kick iraqs ass while we’re over here. So they drummed up so bullshit to go invade and depose Sadam. It was fairly obvious if you were paying as much attention as the average /pol/ user now. But, if you were a normie ass 80-90IQ dude it was a little scary because the news talked about nothing but suitcase bombs, dirty bombs, chemical weapons, anthrax, etc. for an entire two years before we invaded.

>>507780727
it can be both dude, calm down

>>507777935 (OP)
I did.
I went hard for my country online against eurofags and third-worlders. Probably still have a bunch of my old posts on places like battlefront and gamesages/fans.

Never again.

>>507777935 (OP)
I did. I was younger then, though. Literally almost everyone in the government was saying it, not just the neocons. We also were almost all totally unified after 9/11, too.
But, with the case they gave for WMD's, it was pretty compelling. Or, at least, the way the media portrayed it. I was also barely 20 years old, too.

>>507777935 (OP)
No one believed it. The footage Powell showed was the most embarrassing low effort (((evidence))) I've ever seen. It literally ruined his career.

Iraq had already used chemical weapons extensively in the 80s so it wasn't hard to believe.

>>507778639
No, I was there in real time. They sent Colin Powell to the UN to present the case. All he had was blurry satellite photos of train cars, and a story about a source who claimed the WMDs existed. That's it. That's all he had. We knew it was all bullshit. They just wanted us to take it on faith that the WMDs were being transported in those train cars. They had nothing. That also was the end of Colin Powell.

>>507792066
>if you were a normie ass 80-90IQ dude it was a little scary because the news talked about nothing but suitcase bombs, dirty bombs, chemical weapons, anthrax, etc. for an entire two years before we invaded.
People were legitimately afraid of large, public gatherings. My stingy-ass dad finally took us on vacation to Disneyland because it was so cheap and there were so little people at the park. It was like having free reign and I rode so many rides that I was bored of the place within a few days.

>>507777935 (OP)
No, I was reading Micheal Moore at that time, and I thought Dick Cheney was a snake. Even after 911 I was anti-desert storm. I was mostly libertarian and listening to Pat Buchanan as well and ended up voting for Ralph Nader. I was like 18, fuck off.

>>507778639
Our intelligence did not suggest that Iraq had WMDs. In fact, Blair and his lot deliberately lied about that and were found out not too long after.

>>507785298
Same here

it was obvious to anyone paying attention. the only difference back then was that fewer people used the internet. so it took longer to get to the bottom of things. ideas spread much slower, and it was difficult to piece together all the bits.

in modern times, something happens, and a few hours later, some cunt has a 30 minute jewtube video with high production value laying things out in depth.

>>507792430
so few people*

>>507778639
That Dave Chappell skit was just a skit

>all those politicians saying pray for Israel at the same time
>all democrats and republicans clapping for netanyahu when he came into congress

Shit is fucking scary.

>>507778639
>The WMDs were pretty credible at the time.
No it fucking wasn't. Literally no one believed it here. It was called the dodgy dossier within months of it being released to the public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Dossier
And this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier
Was taken apart even quicker. Only the most dyed-in-the-wool neocon warhawk believed it.

>>507790767
>>507790767
most gen x ers weren’t buying that shit. We were the biggest age demographic at the protests.
My boomer mom and all my boomer relatives still believe Iraq had WMDs though. Shits insane.

>>507777935 (OP)
The aluminum tubes shit was manufactured by the CIA, and I'm pretty sure that's an "open secret" at this point. There were massive protests against the Iraq war. The thing that pissed off most people wasn't even the lies about WMD, it was the fact that Iraq had nothing the fuck to do with anything. Now, go back and read Bush's speech to congress after 9/11, and it should be clear that a gang of psychopaths had just taken over the government and declared war on the world. Then go read Bin Ladin's letter to America, and compare it to Bush's speech, and ask yourself which one really sounds like the lunatic. That should put the next 20 years into context because the same psychopathic neocon regime is still in power.

>>507790489
younger gen may be more likely to fall for it though.

>>507777935 (OP)

It was total bullshit. Everyone knew Iraq could barely produce aspirin let alone a meaningful weapon. They had nothing to do with 9/11 and even openly despised Islamic extremism. Neocons were in control of a hapless low IQ president back then who ironically ran on “less international squabbles” and to focus on domestic issues.

It was all a total sham. This feel exactly the same, and it’s being led by neocon donors and that cunt Netanyahu all over again

when zion don says there are wmds, half of mutts (if not more) take that orange cunt at face value. yanks are truly the thickest cunts in the universe.

>>507777935 (OP)
I was 20 at the time. It was complete bullshit. But I wanted to see what is now called "a happening" either way.

>>507777935 (OP)
I was 9yo in the year 2000. So yeah. I wanted to join the military my entire life. Ended up passing on it because I didn't want to die for Israel in the middle east when I was finally old enough in 2009. Ironically, the jew hating came later.
It should be noted that Iran has been anywhere from 2 years to 2 months away from a nuclear device literally as long as I can remember.

>>507778639

>they all had credible evidence.
>coalition of the willing
>yellowcake
>send anthrax to senators with “death to israel” message.

Found the oldfag normie.

>>507777935 (OP)
It was the passport that broke the veil for me.

>>507792688
>Neocons were in control of a hapless low IQ president back then who ironically ran on “less international squabbles” and to focus on domestic issues.
Kek we're really in Bush jr. 2.0

>>507777935 (OP)
>did bullshit always smell like bullshit?

>>507777935 (OP)
They made it pretty believable with Colin Powell, Rumsfield, Dick Cheney, Condeleeza Rice, the press Secretaries. It was a pretty believable lie at the time and they sold it well

>>507792707
>yanks are truly the thickest cunts in the universe.
The meme flag say European, yet the Britfag still reveals himself.

>>507780125
So that was our Serenity gas, actually I don't live far from where it has been stored, they call it The Military Warehouse, but yea no the story was that they were enriching uranium 'yellow cake, it was quickly debookned even before the invasion, the story didn't make much sense, it didn't matter as Saadam was so villanized no one cared Colon Powelmovement lied, also it was a neighbor to Afghanistan, it was a 'War on Terror not on a specific country, people simply didn't notice, the govt was super prepared for the events which transpired and how to justify them or at least buy time. Wow earily similar to the current situation, almost like war with Iran has been forecasted at least 15 years ago. Iran is one of the few countries who do not have international bankers or w/e Rothschild banking, global monetary system. Saw videos predicting war with Iran on that issue way over 10 years ago.

Thought they might really have weapons of mass destruction? Eh maybe, but next to no one was really worried about blow back on the USA. The vibe at the time was a whole lot of classic yeeeha bomb some freedom into you! Who cares what happens in goat fucker land? So invade, blow it up... Turn it to glass... whatever..
Like the concept it was going to kick off decades of USA troops parked over there with trillions of dollars being wasted??!!!? Yeah that part never dawned on the USA pop until it was way, way too late.
Like right now with Iran? Do they have a nuke plan? Eh, I don't care. All I'm thinking holy shit is this another 20+ year long, trillions spent, sand nigger refugees flooding over to the USA fest.... AGAIN???!! God damn it!

iraq started the moment saddam hussein proposed oil transactions be completed in gold dinar (the pan-african, gold-backed currency gaddafi was setting up). they toppled libya for that as well, and maduro in venezuela when he introduced the petro (oil backed currency).

90% of wildly overinflated americunt purchasing power, military capabilities, influence, ability to export inflation with impunity, global terrorism, etc. is based on the bogus petrodollar. they will decimate anyone who gets in their way. to kill america, we must simply stop using jewbux. they collapse overnight, and become argentina-tier at best.

it's time we slay the beast, and get rid of picrel.

>>507787365
Brah have you ever heard of a land called china? In the mid 1800s they had a guy who claimed to be Jesus brother and it lead to a civil war and starvation that killed untold millions, and that was just the beginning of a century of death

>>507793249
>The meme flag say European, yet the Britfag still reveals himself.

found the brexiteer from up norf.

>>507777935 (OP)
Obvious bullshit.
Just like Iran's nuclear capabilities are today.

>>507793628
That's kino thoughever and christcucks always deserve bamboozling

>>507778639
>The WMDs were pretty credible at the time. A bunch of countries
>>France
>>Israel
>>UK
Australia too. What actually happened was that a team of glowniggers went rogue, breaking with the consensus of the agency, and then spread the conspiracy to foreign intel agencies in order to drum up support for war.

The left did a pretty decent job documenting it:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/its-time-to-bench-team-b/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B

>>507794107
What's being missed is that it was credible if you bought into the people selling it.
It wasn't credible if you didn't.
Lots of people were sour on Bush and company going into 2001 after the election. They were never going to buy it.
Then there were those of us who were all in on Bush, same as so many are with Trump.
We bought it hook, line, and sinker. Never underestimate the power of propaganda.

>>507777935 (OP)
We thought he must have something since he gassed the kurds, but we knew it was exaggerated.
We were excited to go to war.
GWB didn't say anything about a long occupation and insurgency.
We thought the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms and that would be it.
Black hawk down was the movie Americans thought about when they thought about the military at the time. And we thought it would be more like the gulf war - fast and easy.

>>507794663
It should be added that people who were young or not alive back then have no idea how much we fucking hated Saddam Hussein after the 90s.
We wanted to kill that fucker even without WMDs.

>>507777935 (OP)
I wasn’t even 10 at the time and I did follow geopolitics. I had doubts about the claims. In hindsight I’m not sure how strong they were, but things seemed slightly off. The attack definitely felt unwarranted and arbitrary.

>>507794960
Saddam and his insane and sadistic sons.
This was also an era before fracking, so controlling mideast oil was important after the collapse of the soviet union.

>>507777935 (OP)
A lot of people believed it. It was a different time and "independent media" wasn't really a thing. Not like it is today.
So what the talking heads on the big networks said was often accepted. The news drove the lies into every home.

Beyond that, a LOT of people didn't seem clear on the difference between iraq and the Taliban/Afghanistan/Al-Qaeda. Why invade Iraq? Well 9/11 happened. That wasn't uncommon.

>>507778639
Everyone replying to this post is a dipshit.
Tony Blair in the UK echoed the US and Israel about wmds.

One thing nobody is mentioning, is the testimony of Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi who they called "curveball". He gave false information that Sadam was manufacturing chemical weapons, and this was used in conjunction about WMDs to assert iraq needed a good invading. There was another Iraqi guy, Adnan al Haideri, that had supposedly worked at a nuclear development site as well and his account was also used.

I was only a kid back then, but I remember the consensus around me being essentially
>they say he was wmds
>we know for sure he has chemical weapons and he uses them
>it is credible he is developing nukes
>he is a dictator that gasses his own people and the world will be better off if we topple him (lmao)
>9/11 happened and arabs of all stripes and creeds can catch these hands (or missiles)

>>507782575
i remember newgrounds got up a bunch of bomb bomb bomb bomb bom saddam sites up right when that happened. Nobody really believed Iraq had anything to do with it. Its just like the sentiment now with some people, 'oh i really think they did oh they really "thought" they had them' shit. its fake, there gay, there fat, there bald

the difference between baby bush and drumpf, is the wmd claims were more plausible back then. it took years for the truth to be revealed. drumpf is willingly ignoring reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9YbBeJurAg

but the playbook is exactly the same: nuclear weapons in two more weeks, false flags, etc. mutts have been obsessed with the so-called "axis of evil" for ages. i reckon 80% of this war is jewsa's idea.

>>507777935 (OP)
nah, it was obvious bullshit to me even back then.

The average person really is a naive stupud motherfucker... well, let them have fun with what is comming. They deserve it.

seemed pretty fantastical and the only "evidence" they showed was like artist rendition and rendering.

>>507795694
they can label a bunch of buildings anything they want and who would know any different.

>>507777935 (OP)
I believed it as a teenager. The libruls overplayed their argument by harping on Saddam as not wanting or seeking WMDs, which was obviously provably false. Saddam *used* WMDs on several occasions, and obviously he had a nuke program as any sane dictator would. The question was whether some dune coon science project in trailers was worth literally replacing the government and ruling class of a major country and policing the transition, and the answer then as now is "yes sir, if it protects Israel!"

>>507777935 (OP)
well kind of, but I thought it was good if countries have WMD's, as in big dildo USA will not fuck with them if they do, which means peace on earth if everyone has one.