Die for Israel or God's chosen people - /pol/ (#507797449) [Archived: 1015 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: zLZRRinPBrazil
6/18/2025, 2:17:18 AM No.507797449
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Which way, christian man?
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Anonymous ID: jIZnL1QfUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:24:37 AM No.507798194
>>507797449 (OP)
Yeah Christians, not jews. Last time i checked, israel isn't Christian, they're anti-christain.
Anonymous ID: jh6hDgcYUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:25:52 AM No.507798344
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>>507797449 (OP)
Chosen for sacrifice.
Anonymous ID: C/V9V2WOMexico
6/18/2025, 2:27:57 AM No.507798559
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>13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
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Anonymous ID: BWS2s3yTUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:29:04 AM No.507798676
>>507797449 (OP)
will Catholics finally stop chimping out at "prots" then?
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Anonymous ID: t+0TDGA5United States
6/18/2025, 2:29:26 AM No.507798726
Same thread every day
Same thread every day
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>>507797449 (OP)
Why are Russian Nazis forcing this "die for Israel" propaganda so hard? Nobody is falling for it.

Inb4: homosexual Russians with vpns attack
JW on /pol/ ID: AJ4KglvpUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:29:34 AM No.507798742
>>507797449 (OP)
Not all sects though. Only one sect can be the right one.
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Anonymous ID: UjYM3nc+United States
6/18/2025, 2:31:32 AM No.507798962
>>507797449 (OP)
Well yeah, that is what the new testament is about. Jews now are the ones who rejected God, they jews have not been God's chosen people for 2k+ years
Anonymous ID: BWS2s3yTUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:31:44 AM No.507798984
>>507798742
>Not all sects though. Only one sect can be the right one.
no one cares what your apostate cult thinks lol
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Anonymous ID: xGA2gUTmUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:32:37 AM No.507799074
>>507797449 (OP)
catholics are not even bible believing christians, they think they are saved by their works and not by faith alone, they pray to idols. the catholic church is a part of the beast and anti-christ
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Anonymous ID: loWTJCaHGermany
6/18/2025, 2:40:25 AM No.507799962
>>507797449 (OP)
I'm not Christian, because Christianity is a lie
Anonymous ID: 7OMWZhVXUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:41:54 AM No.507800124
>>507797449 (OP)
Based!
Anonymous ID: CfV1HxhaUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:45:53 AM No.507800611
>>507798559
I have yet to hear an antichrist shill explain what this means
John 10:24-26
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
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Anonymous ID: cI4lDyztUnited States
6/18/2025, 2:53:02 AM No.507801436
>>507797449 (OP)
>Says it
>Isreal gets nuked
So the Pope was the only thing holding it back the whole time?
Anonymous ID: tpQ5j0KyUnited States
6/18/2025, 3:01:50 AM No.507802352
>>507798559
Jesus Christ is God as well. The Trinity is biblical.
John 1
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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Anonymous ID: ZhzohGtO
6/18/2025, 3:12:19 AM No.507803479
>>507797449 (OP)
I love the copes of the christcucks when this pope turned out to be another servant of jewry, did those fools expected opposition in a jewish controlled institution from the beginning?
Anonymous ID: dVcGLLexUnited States
6/18/2025, 3:21:20 AM No.507804412
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>>507797449 (OP)
God will vomit these people out of his mouth! These fornicators, these Babylonian WHORES! Those who consort with these JEWS, and all these APOSTATES, and who call "evil good, and good evil." They shall all be consumed! Consumed in the unquenchable fire of the LOGOS, and eternal righteousness and dharma!
t. Pope "Veritas I the Great," "Scourge of Hypocrites," "Adversary of all enemies," "Worst-Nightmare of Jews," "Teller of Truths," "Fren of Frens," "Herald of The Way, and "Vindicator of the Pure!"
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Anonymous ID: hkrbJmUMUnited States
6/18/2025, 3:28:55 AM No.507805144
>>507800611
>kikes aren't sheep
>christkikes are lost sheep from the house of israel
Damn, looks like he doesn't respect you guys at all.
Anonymous ID: 8RrWkiyEAustralia
6/18/2025, 3:30:42 AM No.507805315
>>507798742
Yes. Actual Christians believe Jesus was God. Archangel Michael's death couldn't atone for our sins.
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Anonymous ID: rGCShjsVDenmark
6/18/2025, 3:42:36 AM No.507806466
>>507797449 (OP)
Even if you skimmed through the new testament at a glance one would realize that God has established a new covenant with a new people.
I don't know how Christian zionists do it, they truly must never even touch a Bible.
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Anonymous ID: Sys7YWG6United States
6/18/2025, 3:47:45 AM No.507806919
>>507806466
Schofield bible. Zionist heresy.

t. Catholic whose Church has had to manage the rebellious Jews for since we started.
Anonymous ID: r0y335UjChile
6/18/2025, 3:51:31 AM No.507807290
>>507806466
I've looked into it, and given my experience with pentecostals, a burger homebrewed branch, they spend most of the time aimlessly studying the old testament in their core studies. They have no formation in the new testament, don't know how to save, and when they find out, they discover it collides with the guidelines of their branch. Zionists will know even the names of the jewish characters in the old testament, but can't describe what a covenant is, what does it mean to belong to a covenant, why is Jesus covenant superior, why are we called christians, etc. Zionism is a blight because it predates on neophytes, and disregards the prophecies related to the last days for Israel. You won't hear from a zionist "Day/time of Jacob's trouble", ever
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Anonymous ID: r0y335UjChile
6/18/2025, 3:56:53 AM No.507807826
>>507807290
In fact, this is not even a new problem. Even in the NT there are cases of jews convincing christians to circumcize. The problem of the ages
Anonymous ID: ttRm/It6United States
6/18/2025, 3:58:32 AM No.507807975
The biblical Israel is the Church. The body of believers. There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, only the saved and the damned. Christ is Lord, but Jews reject this. They were his chosen people with whom the first covenant was made., but they denied God, and are now simply apostates damned to hell, lest they give their hearts to Him and follow his command.

Biblical Israel and the modern nation state established in the 20th century have nothing to do with one another, save for some shares geography. They don't even share the genetic makeup of the peoples who lived there 2,000+ years ago.
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Anonymous ID: ttRm/It6United States
6/18/2025, 3:59:43 AM No.507808097
>>507807290
What are the biggest denominations with dispensational leanings? Fundamental Baptists? Pentecostals?
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Anonymous ID: LZJHPGjdUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:02:45 AM No.507808384
Christ is King forever and ever, nothing anyone posts here can change that.
Anonymous ID: 45FXIw/vUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:03:13 AM No.507808432
>>507797449 (OP)
The Israelites(modern day Jews) are God's chosen people. Has he never read the Bible? Also, why would the pope, a Catholic, say that "All Christians are God's chosen people" in the first place? Catholicism is not Christianity; it's Catholicism.
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Anonymous ID: r0y335UjChile
6/18/2025, 4:05:17 AM No.507808657
>>507808097
Believe it or not, dispensationalists don't have this problem with zionism, just the US boomers. In fact, you start to find other doctrinal issues with them, but only at their extremes. Pentecostals do what dispensatinalist never do, and mesh all up into one thing. They can explain to you that we are not obliged to observe feasts, shabbath, etc, and in the next sentence will tell you how the old covenant has to be respected in more ways than Jesus and the apostles ordained. As for dispensational denominations? I would say the bautists and mormons
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Anonymous ID: t6jIuz+9United States
6/18/2025, 4:06:11 AM No.507808752
>>507808432
You are retarded. Stop posting.
>>507807975
has it exactly correct for you.
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Anonymous ID: vL0GtySDUnited Kingdom
6/18/2025, 4:07:26 AM No.507808868
>>507808432
Jesus, you inbred hick retards are something else kek.
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Anonymous ID: 45FXIw/vUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:07:51 AM No.507808915
>>507808752
>You are retarded. Stop posting.

Get out of Catholicism. The books of Revelation and Daniel are mainly about Catholicism. Pay attention, please.
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JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:10:36 AM No.507809152
>>507798984

>1 Corinthians 1:10 - 10 Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought

>1 Peter 3:8 - 8 Finally, all of YOU be like-minded, showing fellow feeling, having brotherly affection, tenderly compassionate, humble in mind,

>2 Corinthians 13:11 - 11 Finally, brothers, continue to rejoice, to be readjusted, to be comforted, to think in agreement, to live peaceably; and the God of love and of peace will be with YOU.

>Ephesians 4:2-6 - 2 with complete lowliness of mind and mildness, with long-suffering, putting up with one another in love, 3 earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. 4 One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

>Philippians 2:1,2 - If, then, there is any encouragement in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any sharing of spirit, if any tender affections and compassions, 2 make my joy full in that YOU are of the same mind and have the same love, being joined together in soul, holding the one thought in mind,

>Romans 16:17 - Now I exhort YOU, brothers, to keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that YOU have learned, and avoid them

The Bible doesn't endorse multiple "brands," sects, "paths in life." Only one way or the wrong way.

>>507805315
Out of all those sects which is the right one ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?
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Anonymous ID: 45FXIw/vUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:11:33 AM No.507809238
>>507808868, refer to >>507808915
Anonymous ID: X76Db0tSUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:12:46 AM No.507809350
>>507799074
Catholics invented the Bible
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Anonymous ID: t6jIuz+9United States
6/18/2025, 4:13:44 AM No.507809448
>>507808915
I'm not into Catholicism.
Modern Israelites are not God's chosen people.
Only people who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are.
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Anonymous ID: ttRm/It6United States
6/18/2025, 4:14:17 AM No.507809494
>>507808657
Interesting. So then which denominations are typically most Zionist? I've seen a lot of African Christians hold a Zionist, too, I thought that was weird and that it was typically an American evangelical kind of thing
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Anonymous ID: ttRm/It6United States
6/18/2025, 4:15:20 AM No.507809600
>>507809350
Kek, that's a good way to put it. How many books are in yours?

t. Reformed
Anonymous ID: qaHiz4btUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:15:55 AM No.507809654
>>507797449 (OP)
I do whatever pope Leo tells me
Anonymous ID: 45FXIw/vUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:16:52 AM No.507809730
>>507809448
Deuteronomy 7:6 "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."
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Anonymous ID: t6jIuz+9United States
6/18/2025, 4:19:42 AM No.507809964
>>507809730
>Deuteronomy
>Old Testament
Yes, this was the OLD COVENANT. You moron.
The NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT) is ONLY through Jesus Christ.
Stop being a moron.
JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:24:21 AM No.507810358
>>507805315
>Archangel Michael's death couldn't atone for our sins.

Correct, that's why he "emptied himself" of his power and became 100% man born from a woman.

>(Philippians 2:7) No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.

>emptied himself
>emptied himself

God cannot "empty himself." He is pure infinity. If he did that the universe woud die. Not only that, but that verse alone proves God WASN'T in Christ because Jesus "emptied himself" to become a normal man
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Anonymous ID: r0y335UjChile
6/18/2025, 4:26:43 AM No.507810565
>>507809494
I believe the most serious issue is the kundalini taint. I myself i'm a recipient of miracles that i will not speak about, but let's say that the issue with "speaking in tongues" is 30x more worrying than merely convincing neophytes about Israel's present and future. On that, i tremble on how heavy the spiritual battle is, though i've seen some pentecostal missions basically behave like presbyterians these days, but it's still alarming, and all it comes for not having strong fundamentals in Jesus, especially in terms of faith
JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:27:02 AM No.507810601
>>507808432
are God's chosen people.

By the time Christ comes, dies, resurrected, and ascends back to Jewish Christians moved on to the gentiles. Since the Jews IN MAJORITY rejected Jesus then God would have to "graft" in a wild branch into his original tree. This wild branch(gentiles) would now be legal heirs of the original root and tree(Abraham, Isaac, Jacob).

>(Romans 11:17) However, if some of the branches were broken off(Jews who rejected Jesus) but you, although being a wild olive(Gentiles), were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the olive’s root of fatness,(Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, loyal house of Israel, Prophets, Jesus, Apostles, Jews faithful to Jesus)

>(Romans 11:19, 20) You will say, then: “Branches were broken off(anti-Christ Jews) that I might be grafted in(Goyim).” 20All right! For [their] lack of faith they were broken off(anti-Christ Jews), but you are standing by faith. Quit having lofty ideas, but be in fear.

The new House of Israel is made up of Gentiles now along with some pro-Christ Jews.

>>(Jeremiah 31:31) “Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant;

>(Acts 18:6) But after they kept on opposing and speaking abusively, he shook out his garments and said to them: “Let YOUR blood be upon YOUR own heads. I am clean. From now on I will go to people of the nations.”

>(Acts 13:46) ...“It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken first to YOU. Since YOU are thrusting it away from YOU and do not judge yourselves worthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations.

Eventually, blood Jews

>(Revelation 3:9) Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you.

Gentiles were grafted in to the Tree of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
Anonymous ID: tpQ5j0KyUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:31:38 AM No.507811032
>>507810358
>Philippians 2:7
What bible are you preaching from?
Philippians 2:7
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
KJV

No where does it say he emptied himself. He just took on the role of a servant.

Also read John 1

John 1
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

KJV
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Anonymous ID: kDE75/j+United States
6/18/2025, 4:38:53 AM No.507811644
>>507798676
Their interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19 was disproven decades ago by Vatican II accepting Protestants, so it's still just endless cope and gaslighting from them. They could have just read five verses later (Matthew 16:23) where the "rock" is named Satan.
JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:39:40 AM No.507811717
>>507811032
>>Philippians 2:7
>What bible are you preaching from?
>Philippians 2:7
>7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
>KJV

ASV
but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
CSB
Instead he emptied himself by assuming the form of a servant, taking on the likeness of humanity. And when he had come as a man,
CEB
But he emptied himself by taking the form of a slave and by becoming like human beings. When he found himself in the form of a human,
CJB
On the contrary, he emptied himself, in that he took the form of a slave by becoming like human beings are. And when he appeared as a human being,
CEV
Instead he gave up everything and became a slave, when he became like one of us.
DARBY
but emptied himself, taking a bondman's form, taking his place in [the] likeness of men;
DLNT
but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a slave, having come in the likeness of humans. And having been found as a man in outward-appearance,
DRA
But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man.

>(Philippians 2:7) No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.

>emptied himself
>emptied himself

God cannot "empty himself." He is pure infinity. If he did that the universe woud die. Not only that, but that verse alone proves God WASN'T in Christ because Jesus "emptied himself" to become a normal man.
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JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:41:05 AM No.507811844
>>507811032
>John 1
>1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I want you to look at this link of over 70 Bible translations.

>http://simplebibletruths.net/70-John-1-1-Truths.htm

Besides the New World Translation, all these non-JW Bibles translate John 1:1 as "a god," "the word was divine," "the word was godlike."

Why all the "blasphemy"? Because the original Koine Greek language was like that.

This is the Koine Greek original
>kαὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

This is the hyper-literal translation
>kai the·os en ho logos

This is the translation
>kai(AND) the·os(GOD) en(WAS) ho(THE) logos(WORD).

What you need to understand is two things. First, Koine Greek had no lowercase words. It was all capital as seen above. Second, Koine Greek has only the definite article(the) but no indefinite articles(a/an).

So how does one tell the difference between God and god? Because God in the Greek Scriptures is always ho'theos(THE GOD) and any generic god is always theos. In John 1:1 Jehovah is translated as ho'theos(THE GOD) while Jesus is just theos(GOD.) The Koine Greek language is read without indefinite articles (a/an). So the correct translation is "a god." The oldest Bible manuscript in the pic up above is the Sahdic/Bohairic Coptic which was the language of the Egyptians 1,700 years ago. There language does have an indefinite article(a/an). They understood John 1:1 as "a god."
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Anonymous ID: kDE75/j+United States
6/18/2025, 4:41:24 AM No.507811868
>>507809152
JWism is so poorly thought-out.
>The LORD is my shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
Jesus:
>I am the good shepherd (John 10:11)

This makes Jesus who? (the LORD Jehovah)
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JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:42:09 AM No.507811921
>>507811032
>>507811844
The Sahidic Coptic and Bohairic Coptic are the oldest manuscripts going back 1,700 years to Egypt. They translated in their own language "a god" because their languages had INDEFINITE articles.(a/an). Koine Greek doesn't have indefinite articles(a/an) only the definite article(the). When both subject and predicates have an article(the) they are treated as interchangeable and the same thing. A good example is Matt 13:38 “The field [Greek, ho a·gros] is the world [Greek, ho kosmos].” The field can be the world and the world can be the field. When both subject and predicate have articles they are considered the same and interchangeable. However, when only the subject/predicate have ONE article they are considered qualitative and not the same. uses 1John 1:5, which says: “God is light.” In Greek, “God” is ho the·os and therefore has a definite article. But phos for “light” is not preceded by any article. God is light but light cannot be God. They are not interchangeable. Light here is now qualitative.

John 1:1 has God as ho'theos and Jesus as just theos. Not interchangeable. So Jesus is only godlike, divine. That's why all those Bibles up above say "godlike, divine, deity." Not God.
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Anonymous ID: kDE75/j+United States
6/18/2025, 4:43:30 AM No.507812046
>>507811921
Who is the Good Shepherd? Jehovah (Psalm 23:1) or Jesus (John 10:11)?
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JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:44:29 AM No.507812140
>>507811868
What you need to be aware of in the Bible is that just because Jesus and God share many titles doesnt' mean they are the same person. This is known as the Fallacy of Composition where the part of something defines the whole. The belief that Jesus and Jehovah are lords, gods, saviors, fathers, kings, spirits is to believe that TITLES define the nature and the whole existence of a person.

It's the same with angels. Angels is just a title, not the name of the actual species. Spirits is just what they are made of same as how organism is what man is made of. The correct name for their species is gods or elohah.

You can make the same argument with demons since they are called "Sons of the true God," "spirits," and angels. Those are just titles but don't mean they are to be boxed in with the good spirits.

Sharing titles doesn't mean two things are the same.
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Anonymous ID: kDE75/j+United States
6/18/2025, 4:48:50 AM No.507812556
>>507812140
So Jesus was lying when He called Himself good in John 10:11? He said "there is none good but one, that is, God" in Mark 10:18.

Either Jesus is JEHOVAH the shepherd of Psalm 23:1 (because He called Himself Good in John 10:11) or Jesus is a liar. Choose one.
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Anonymous ID: rddQF4mDCanada
6/18/2025, 4:49:55 AM No.507812664
>>507797449 (OP)
Dummie here. Isnt that what the new testament was about? old test is jew are chosen people, and new test is everyone who follows the rules is a chosen person?
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Anonymous ID: kDE75/j+United States
6/18/2025, 4:54:12 AM No.507813029
>>507812664
Genesis 3:15 says that whoever accepts "it", the seed (Jesus Christ), shall be saved from their sin in their blood by accepting, in their heart, His blood that would be shed on the cross later in place of their own). That was written even before Jews existed.

Jews were chosen to bring the knowledge of the Messiah (Jesus Christ) to the rest of the world. They knew all about this blood-replacement because of their Passover holiday (where a spotless lamb's blood would cover the door of those that trusted in it). The New Testament just reveals to both Gentiles and Jews that Jesus Christ is this lamb.
Anonymous ID: CR+cyl4XBrazil
6/18/2025, 4:56:42 AM No.507813271
>>507797449 (OP)
Modern Jews are not Christians because they deny Jesus.
So modern israel is not real Hebrews.
Brazil is more Hebrew and Christian than modern Israel will ever be.
Anonymous ID: nCpJqpoIUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:57:14 AM No.507813318
>>507804412
Ave Petrvm! Salve sanctae trinitas!
JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:57:52 AM No.507813372
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>>507812556
>Either Jesus is JEHOVAH the shepherd of Psalm 23:1 (because He called Himself Good in John 10:11) or Jesus is a liar. Choose one

How about that they are both 2 distinct individuals that share many titles?
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JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 4:59:33 AM No.507813503
>>507812046
Both. Two individuals that share many titles.
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Anonymous ID: TB39N3dC
6/18/2025, 5:01:30 AM No.507813692
I genuinely have no idea why JW exists. Genuinely baffling to me.
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Anonymous ID: JLBpc9PzUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:03:50 AM No.507813912
>>507812664
Think of it as the old testament is the new testament concealed, and the new testament is the old testament revealed. The purpose of the Children of Israel was to evangelize the rest of humanity foremost by obeying God, which would then attract foreigners to wanting to know about Him. That would lead to foreigners learning the truth of their sinfulness and the need to be redeemed, and so on. The new covenant is rooted in various promises that God made in the past, to the first Adamic woman, to the patriarchs that the Children of Israel descended from, to the Prophets, and to the King, David. Justification always was received by grace through faith, without believing God, it is not possible to be saved from His wrath, or the power of sin, and ultimately the presence of sin. The old covenant and times before that, it was established that blood had to be used to expiate a person of their sin-guiltiness. So Jesus, being fully human, and fully God, had to shed His blood to create this new covenant; His sacrifice always being necessary for salvation to be achieved. In the past, God was looking forward to this new covenant, which is why people could be saved before Jesus was ever incarnated. There are Old Testament promises that God made to Israel, that have not yet been fulfilled. There is coming a time when God will again deal with the Children of Israel as a nation again, which is a piece of evidence that points to the church being a temporary institution that will be removed from the earth before God deals with Israel as a nation once again. People that become saints during the seven years of Jacob's Trouble will have a different role/destiny than the members of the church, and also the old testament saints. All of these different categories of saints will be with God forever, but will relate differently. The church is specifically the bride of Christ, for example.

AFAIU, all saints will have rewards; presuming that a saint did not forfeit them prior.
Anonymous ID: /EdB2WAmUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:05:58 AM No.507814115
>>507812556
>"good" in Mark 10 is "agathos"
>"good" in John 10 is "kalos"
>R. E. Brown, John [AB], 1:386, who argues that “model” is a more exact translation of καλός [kalos] here
This one is kind of weak.
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Anonymous ID: JLBpc9PzUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:06:40 AM No.507814176
>>507813692
Like any cult, of any professed belief or doctrine, the members are usually vulnerable, and mostly uncritical and just go with a system that they don't understand well enough to reject. OTOH, there are people that are malicious and join any organization that will let them exploit people for filthy gain.
Anonymous ID: Zd8x+D+MUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:10:24 AM No.507814500
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>>507797449 (OP)
He's kinda wrong though. Salvation isn't a birthright.
God doesn't choose His people. People who choose Him (by following Jesus) and *those* are the people who are promised salvation.
May be a nit-pick but 'the devil's in the details'; the gates of Heaven are open to all who would call Christ their savior.
>>507802352
It literally isn't. It's was never meant as anything more than a means of teaching the Bible in a consistent way and to explain to the laity how Jesus could be both mortal and divine. The trinity is justified, rationalized, via Scripture but then, so was Arianism and Gnosticism and, later, Protestantism.
>>507806466
Bella Dodd.
>>507809730
OT. Christians follow the NT.
>“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14.6)
Anonymous ID: tpQ5j0KyUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:12:36 AM No.507814690
>>507811717
Even if those bibles are accurate in the translation of empty. Your statement here is making to many assumptions that are not biblical.


>God cannot "empty himself." He is pure infinity. If he did that the universe woud die. Not only that, but that verse alone proves God WASN'T in Christ because Jesus "emptied himself" to become a normal man.

>God WASN'T in Christ

Christ is God. Here is further proof.

John 20 KJV
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Thomas
There are quite a few instances of Christ's clear Divinity and title of God throughout the scriptures. Instead of just hypothesizing what God can and cannot do.

Theos
The change in the noun in John 1:1, from Θεόν (Theon) to Θεὸς (Theos) for God in Greek is not because of any difference in meaning, but simply because the word was playing two different functions in the sentence.

https://seasonedapologist.com/2021/11/06/john-11-theon-vs-theos/
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Anonymous ID: N9h3tUsKUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:19:53 AM No.507815307
>>507813372
>>507813503
If you're noticing this, you're not far from leaving this blind cult. Jesus also said "I am the Almighty" in Revelation 1:8 because only the Almighty's blood has the power to cure yours. His name alone saves: Acts 4:12 (see also Act 3:6-16).

>>507814115
>etymological fallacy
That's not how Greek works, which still involves semantic context (just like English). For example, are Jesus' sheep that HE gives eternal life to (John 10:27-29) different from the ones mentioned by David in Psalm 23:1?

>>507813692
Because of threats towards its members (such as complete shunning). See also the Spanish Inquisition towards them that read God's words.
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Anonymous ID: C/DFFVvKCanada
6/18/2025, 5:22:20 AM No.507815495
>>507811717
Nice cherry pick

It’s all the changed versions with commentary and Zionist influence.

Here’s another oldie.
I trust the Textus Receptus manuscripts.

Friend, stop reading the watchtower and pick up a dry-no commentary Bible published before 1700
Anonymous ID: TB39N3dC
6/18/2025, 5:26:18 AM No.507815805
>>507814690
It's weird that people are still struggling with John 1 in this day and age, especially when it spells it out for you that Christ is the Lord.

I think my favourite proof has to be the baptismal formula that Christ Himself teaches in Matthew 28:19, to baptise in the (singular) Name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. This was always neat to me.
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Anonymous ID: TB39N3dC
6/18/2025, 5:29:15 AM No.507816042
>>507815307
I have the utmost respect for the Spanish Inquisition. I have no reason to accept the modern fictions and the historical polemics against it. Anyone with sufficient charity and curiosity would understand this.
Anonymous ID: tpQ5j0KyUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:32:46 AM No.507816324
>>507815805
>It's weird that people are still struggling with John 1 in this day and age, especially when it spells it out for you that Christ is the Lord.
I think its a stumbling block. I use it towards Muslims all the time and it just seems like you hit a spiritual wall with most people.
> think my favorite proof has to be the baptismal formula that Christ Himself teaches in Matthew 28:19
Amen, that is a good one. So much evidence of the Trinity in scriptures and divinity of Christ. God Bless
Anonymous ID: aZtyq5+d
6/18/2025, 5:33:29 AM No.507816393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyXeq3gbfXU
JW on /pol/ ID: SegoGsmqUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:40:34 AM No.507817008
>>507814690
What Thomas did was not PROCLAIM that Jesus was God. What Thomas did was make an expression of astonishment just as we do today. It's the same way we say

>"Oh my God! Tim what have you done?!"
>"Oh my Lord! What are you doing?!?
>"My God, Charmaine! What happened?!

We can all agree that in those expressions above that none of the speakers are claiming that the subject they are speaking to is God himself or Lord himself. It is an idiom. Even other Trinitarians agree with this.

For example, Theodore, Bishop of Mopsuestia (350-428 A.D.) was “an early Christian theologian, the most eminent representative of the so-called school of Antioch. .... he was held in great respect, and took part in several synods, with a reputation for orthodoxy that was never questioned.”

This respected Bishop of Mopsuestia was a very early trinitarian and a friend of John Chrysostom and of Cyril of Alexandria. - Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th ed., Vol. 22, p. 58. This highly-respected, very early trinitarian wrote, 1600 years ago, that Thomas’ statement at John 20:28 was “an exclamation of astonishment directed to God.” - p. 535, Vol. 3, Meyer’s Commentary on the New Testament (John), 1983, Hendrickson Publ. [2]

Let's look at another verse that is EXACTLY like John 20:28, shall we?

>(Matthew 16:23) But, turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”

According to Jesus, Peter and Satan are the same person. Right?