Its over for atheist niggas

>>507878089 (OP)
He did not say that. Tabloid news as usual.

stem rødt

https://youtu.be/xBzDXm4dWa4?feature=shared

Based

all of creation leads to Him

>memorizing good at something
>jew king is god

Nope

>>507878089 (OP)
Your ancestors bent the knee to Christianity. No wonder you have such a dogshit take.

>>507878354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8E07NEZMAs

>>507878089 (OP)
with how complex and unknowable the universe is, only midwits would think there is no higher power at play

>>507878089 (OP)
metaphysics is a helluva drug. also christ consciousness is a carl jung archetype explained at length just like anima and animus, it sounds like his animus is imbalanced to me.

>>507878340
>kikeflag

>>507878340
its over for atheist niggas

>>507878415
>Jews hated and killed Jesus
>Jews also worship Jesus
Chat make it make sense

>>507878089 (OP)
Arguement from authority.

Asking someone if they believe there are people with 270 iq is an iq test in and of itself

>>507878089 (OP)
Ouuu, he is cute as fuck. Being a Muslim gets you better work opportunities, though.

>>507878619
Did the model take into account that public schooling utterly ruins the potential of most students who go through it because it’s designed to turn kids into goycattle?

It's over the gook christcuck has spoken.

Look at how mad the kikes are in this thread. They are practicing Idolatry at the altar of their own meme.

>>507878089 (OP)
>276iq
Can IQ's that high even be measured?

>>507878835
koreans are so bizarre

>>507879380
No.
Beyond like IQ of 180, its kinda just guessing at your max. and at 180 its kinda dubious.

>>507878089 (OP)
>That gookface
God I hate gooks so fucking much why on earth do they look so disgusting

this is like saying that he likes rocky road ice cream, therefore we should also like it.

>>507880341
Um... anon...

>>507880341
Then why are you expatting there?

>>507879380
Penis size to IQ inverse ratio.

>>507879380
IQ tests don't go past like 160.

>>507878089 (OP)
Based and smart, abrahamitic Monsters must be led to self-destruction through confirmation bias.

>>507880341
because your gay and crossdress as a k-pop star?

>>507879380
Look what mr chatbot said
>Being 15 standard deviations from the mean is mathematically defined, but in nature or psychology (like IQ), it’s beyond possible. Even claiming an IQ 6 or 7 SDs above the mean (~190–205) is already hitting the absolute ceiling of human potential and test precision. 15σ is a number only meaningful in theory or extreme statistics, not in observable life.

>>507880890
>Um... anon...
Dont do it.

>>507878065

>>507878925
>>507881466

>>507878089 (OP)
>Its over for atheist niggas
And, Arians

>>507878089 (OP)
That's 276 IQJ. It only exists in the manga.

>>507878089 (OP)
dont even care being smarter than this 276 iq larper.
>check your ego
my ass

These faggots are mentally vain, like Jordan Peterson. They think the masses need Jesus to stay calm and happy.

>>507878089 (OP)
He's welcome to his personal feelings and opinions

I don't believe in christianity at all since like 80% of the original texts were burned, but considering that jews killed jesus i think he might have unironically taught us how to escape prison planet. Probably some version of gnosticism is close to the truth, i just don't agree with all the sheep and giving our power to someone else stuff, its very cuckheavy and i don't believe thats what an enlightened being would teach to people who are abused by people in power.

America is an atheist country

Only social outcasts still go to church

>>507880683
who is we? speak for yourself for once

>>507878089 (OP)
So Jesus is Yahweh, the Jewish faggot bull God?

>>507878619
Becoming rich is easy. You just have to fuck over literally everyone you ever meet. Most people just don’t want to do that.

Christianity was a bunch of fairy tales that were made up to try to distract peasants from how shitty their quality of life was

>>507878932
>>507878835
Is this that moon cult bs?

>>507878089 (OP)
>smartest man in the world
>too illiterate to understand the bible
classic beyond

>>507887372
Whatever helps you sleep at night…and get up early the next day, anon.

>>507878089 (OP)
>smartest man in the world
>hasn't conquered the fear of death

>>507878089 (OP)
Amen

>>507879042
>Christcuck hated and killed jews
>Christcuvk also worship jew
Chat make it make sense

QI is a meme bro

>>507887411
Because otherwise they’d wage a violent revolution against the rich until everyone is poor?

>>507878089 (OP)
Highest iq doesn't mean smartest, in fact it guarantees he's not the smartest.

Even smart people can be wrong.

>>507878089 (OP)
Everyone knows atheism is a midwit position. The smartest people and the dumbest people all believe in God.

>>507887930
Rich fags are right to fear the envy of the poor, but they get over zealous and over-reach.

Don't fuck over the poor, don't gate keep people from being rich and it will all run smoothly.

Turns out IQ is a meme then
Religion is the n1 redflag for smoothbrain

>>507878835
>>507878932
what tweets did he hide?

>>507888078
Bell curves aren't measurable

Richard Dawkins went to Oxford while Pastor Anderson barely graduated high school

Christ niggers have no response

>>507878089 (OP)
>Jesus christ is God
And Dumbledore is headmaster of Hogwarts.

>>507878089 (OP)
IQ cannot meaningfully be measured that high.
Most IQ tests only go to 130~ as an accurate measurement, and others are up to 160-170, however anything after that it is not able to meaningfully measure, as in the measurement doesn't MEAN anything when it's past 160-170, because there is no comparison that allows for an accurate number.

I myself have been told that I am above that threshold, but that does not mean that your IQ STAYS that high, or is able to be measured well above it.

However, if you think that you are so intelligent, you more than likely are not. Most intelligent people know they do not know everything, meaning they are not THAT intelligent, and there is more to learn before you give two shits about IQ.

>>507888100
The average wagie thinks a little inflation is a good thing, because it gives the government “flexibility.” In reality, it enriches those with assets at the expense of everyone else. The situation will only get worse the larger the government grows.

>>507888322
There are 100s to 1000+ year gaps between big miracles.

>all these post hoc coping.

>>507888689
Actually there's one huge gap because miracles never happened

>>507888650
Cope harder, Tyrone

You chose to spend your paycheck on Jordans instead of stocks and bonds

You have only yourself to blame for how much assets you have

>>507888807
What year is it and what is year zero a reference to?

>>507887372
I’m about to do this. I can’t wait. I will make a post in about 2-7 years once it’s completed. Courts drag shit out, but I’m taking a lot of people down!

>>507878089 (OP)
This is just the bell curve meme

>>507878089 (OP)
To be fair a really smart person saying something doesn't make it true or not.

>>507878089 (OP)
What's his proof?

>>507888934
I mean the kikes have a different calendar and they made your cult

>>507888934
Oh also, what are the days of the week named for? And the months?

>>507878089 (OP)
He's that proof that IQ tests aren't reliable

>>507889024
Jesus Christ won, and your kind will burn.

>>507878089 (OP)
He's just smart enough to know that there's a lot of money to be made grifting religious bullshit.

>>507882667
so in synthesis, fake and gay just like the abrahamic fairy tales (not stolen and disfigure). at least mine is real and 198.

>>507889081
It's the same year across most of the world, the names of days and months vary by country.

>>507878835
>I believe
>believe
Belief is not based on fact or reasoning so his IQ doesn't signify here.

>>507878089 (OP)
The smartest person in the world is a trinitarian faggot? As if I needed more reason to be a Gnostic. Lelelel

>>507889143
God isn’t a synonym for religion.

>>507888331
Go to confession, midwit

>>507889253
>Belief is not based on fact or reasoning
Yes, it is. You only have the right to believe in what you have reason to believe. Believing without reason is just called being evil.

>>507878089 (OP)
So he's smarter than 276 niggers combined?

>>507887214
>Probably some version of gnosticism is close to the truth
Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Read this post...

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1799553063390154856
============================
This planet is not Earth. It is Bozrah.

Earth is another planet about 75,000 light years from here, whereas this planet is merely an impostor planet that calls itself "Earth." Big difference. And trust me, I know how to count to 10 seconds, ACCURATELY. What used to be 10.00 seconds (for me) is now a whopping 15.00 seconds! If you don't believe me, see Matthew 24:22 and Revelation 8:12. For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same.

If you are a Bozrah native, you are in serious trouble. The people of this planet must acknowledge that Bozrah is not Earth and that Jesus is coming to destroy it. Otherwise, don't expect God to save you.
============================

Note: The event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There is no 7-year Tribulation here.

>>507879377
They don't hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us because they are sabbateans and not human.
>Christ is the truth, the life, the way to God.

>>507878089 (OP)
No such thing as 276 iq. Christcucks are so stupid and easily scammed

>>507878415
You sound like you have low iq

>>507887214
Based Picrel of Truth knower. The Gnostics of yesterday were the memory that refused to die. Not just a sect or a tradition. A pressure point in reality, a crack in the mask. Even the stars are prisons if built by a blind god.

>>507887214
>Probably some version of gnosticism is close to the truth
Platonism is what teaches you how to escape, and Christ's teachings are all based on Plato. Gnosticism is just a bastardization of Plato that misses the point entirely and cuts you off from being able to escape, because it asserts that there are two generative beings, one Good and one Evil. Christ, as well as Plato and every other wise man in history, have all been trying to tell us that the Good is the only creative power in this world.

>>507878835
>As worrd’s highrest Icrue record horder, l berieve that jresus Christ is grod, the wray and the truth and the rife.

>>507889235
No, there's many other calendars. Cope.

>>507878089 (OP)

>>507889293
I confess i did your mom

>>507878089 (OP)
and muslims

>>507889881
There isn't a demiurge. The pain and absurdity in this world come directly from God, and it's always been for your own good. It teaches you to love reason and hate hypocrisy. Seeing how corrupt and servile everything here is is what makes it possible for you to become virtuous, because it gives you the strength and motivation to live in principle instead of living in the senses. Blaming all of the pain you've been through on an imaginary demiurge is just a childish attempt to run away from your responsibilities towards Truth.

>>507889998
Plato is arguably the patriarch of Gnosticism. Plato’s cave allegory is as Gnostic as Gnostic gets. Attempts to frame all Gnosticism as Valentinian Gnosticism (the demiurge etc) are meant as a derogatory attack on Gnosticism.

Bait was delicious 10/10
subsequent thread 2/10 too serious

>>507878089 (OP)
>high IQ therefore anything he say must be true!
The irony is that only individuals with an IQ past a certain threshold can spot the fallacy in this

>>507890449
Oh so God couldn't have just given us that knowledge without the suffering?

>>507890457
A belief in two generative beings is what makes Gnosticism Gnosticism. Without that bogeyman, it's just Neoplatonism. And I don't know of any Neoplatonists who didn't criticize the Gnostics for misinterpreting Plato. Everyone from Plotinus to Cudworth pointed out how logically impossible it is for there to ever be two creative principles. There can only be one, because creativity implies omnipotence and omnipotence implies unity or Oneness.

>>507889998
The Neoplatonist system survived because it was safe and gave structure, but it ended up smoothing over the fracture and the fracture in this case was fucking holy. The plot has been completely lost and Gnosticism is one of the few avenues to bring it back.

>>507890832
>A belief in two generative beings is what makes Gnosticism Gnosticism.
Complete nonsense. Several non canonical gospels are universally recognized as Gnostic texts and they make no mention of any demiurge. The existence of a lesser God as creator of the material world would more properly be defined as Valentinianism.

>>507890449
Muh demiurge is a metaphor. Yeah I see this reply on every fucking thread I talk about the demiurge as being a tangible entity. His genius was hiding behind nature. To bind itself to natural phenomena, so that rejecting it would feel like rejecting everything. To make obedience feel like wisdom, silence feel like peace. The realest trick played by the demiurge was not creating matter, it was creating CONSENSUS. Consensus that the sky is blue, that history is linear, that suffering is natural, that we are alone, meant to be isolated, suspicious, and scattered. His brilliance is administrative. I refuse to say "this world is good" just because it has trees and sunsets and love.

>>507890680
It would have been meaningless. Your parents can tell you that the stove is hot, but you have no idea what that actually entails until you've been burnt at some point in your life. You also have to have the ability to choose wrong in order to derive any virtue from choosing correctly.

>>507889435
>Believing without reason is just called being evil.
Believing with reason is called knowing.

>>507891401
So God couldn't have imbued that knowledge? He's not all powerful?

>>507878089 (OP)
God can't be mortal. Only a deceiver

>>507891207
Do you mean like the Gospels of Thomas? Those aren't Gnostic at all, there's actually a long essay by the translator of those Gospels where he argues that they were merely being slandered as Gnostic by the church because the contents of those gospels were inconvenient for them to recognize at the time. Something being called Gnostic doesn't make it Gnostic, and from what I've seen the belief in an evil demiurge is the single defining characteristic of Gnosticism that sets it apart from Platonism and robs it of its legitimacy.

>>507878089 (OP)
>>507878619
He doesn't have 276 IQ. No proof anywhere to be found.

>>507878089 (OP)
But still has yet to make his country "be fruitful and multiply" lmao at Korea

>>507891679
The mistake is thinking he is "evil" in the cartoon sense. He is FUNCTIONALLY evil. Injecting bureaucracy into the spirit, not pain or temptation but obscuration.

>>507889253
>Belief is not based on fact or reasoning
Atheist distortion of the truth

>>507878089 (OP)
I guarantee if you actually tried having a conversation with this gook you would see that he is actually autistic and retarded.
I bet you could tell that in first 10 seconds of interacting with him.

>>507891394
This world isn't good because it has sunsets. This world is trash, it's garbage. All matter is evil. Recognizing that is where the good comes from, because recognizing that lets you die to the world and be reborn in God. If you fail to recognize how awful physical existence is, then you'll keep coming back again and again because this is where your affections and sympathies lie. But when you turn those affections and sympathies towards God and Intellect, you'll raise out of this hellscape and towards something better. There's no demiurge trying to trick you into anything, the pain here is a valuable lesson from The One to teach you not to love the tangible, and to only love the intangible.

atheism? More like midwitism.

Jesus was NOT a figure of salvation, he was a figure of revolution. He was an injection of light into the system, not to fix it but to SHATTER IT. His words were not for the crowds, they were keys hidden in plain sight for those who remembered where they truly came from. This is why institutional Christianity, under the demiurge's influence, had to chain him back down.

>>507891972
Matter isn't evil lol. Suffering is because of clinging or misidentifying the Self with the ego

>>507891679
The Gnostics were a real religious and philosophical movement that formed shortly after the death of Christ. Included in the texts they read and discussed were works by Plato and non-canonical gospels. They were eventually demonized by an increasingly organized church that eventually culminated in the canonical Bible as established by the Roman Government. These are the facts of history.

>>507891993
>had feelings hurt by an atheist

lol. based
midwit atheists seething as usual

>>507891573
What you're trying to do isn't nearly as clever as you think it is. God doesn't do anything contrary to itself or to reason, because reason, truth and unity are the same thing as potency. God would be less potent if you had your way, because you'd have him doing something worse than what he's doing now. Grade school paradoxes like "How can God be all powerful if he can't be evil?" don't actually stand up to scrutiny, because evil is the absence of power, power and creation never come from evil.

>>507891972
>there's no demiurge trying to trick you into anything

By all means believe what you want, but is this not EXACTLY what he would need people to think in order to fully operate? Plausible deniability, one of the most important concepts in human existence is his entire mantra. The greatest lie the devil ever told was convincing the world he didn't exist.

>>507892497
You didn't answer the question at all, you just cried

>>507892157
Matter is evil, when you define evil correctly. Evil just means "absence of good". It's a privation. Nothing made of matter is good for its own sake, only immaterial things like virtue, justice, compassion, and truth are good for their own sake. Anything made of matter is only good for the sake of something other than itself, meaning it's not good in and of itself, meaning it's evil. And a person becomes evil when they choose material things like money or pleasure over immaterial things like truth and justice.

>>507891972
NDES disagree with you. They're all fed the same "youre here to learn" bullshit and tell you to reincarnate to "learn".

>>507892736
>Matter is evil, when you define evil correctly. Evil just means "absence of good". It's a privation. Nothing made of matter is good for its own sake, only immaterial things like virtue, justice, compassion, and truth are good for their own sake. Anything made of matter is only good for the sake of something other than itself, meaning it's not good in and of itself, meaning it's evil. And a person becomes evil when they choose material things like money or pleasure over immaterial things like truth and justice.

All of this is just your opinion

>>507878089 (OP)
Anybody bragging about their IQ probably isn't that smart.

>>507889435
>Believing without reason is just called being evil.
It's called faith, which is the basis of Christianity

>>507892635
Not only did I answer, it, I proved it to be nonsense objectively. Your question was the equivalent of asking "Why can't God figure out how to be ignorant if he's supposed to know everything?" Knowing everything excludes ignorance, being the source of Good excludes evil and wanting what's best for humanity excludes doing anything other than what's best for us. Learning these lessons the hard way is what's best for us, so that's how it is.

>>507892843
No, it's not. It's objective fact.

>>507893034
Youre just claiming something is so with zero evidence. You have no argument to the fact God could do anything including accomplishing whatever goal with absolutely no suffering whatsoever. He doesn't because Yahweh is just the sound a donkey makes when a jew fucks it up the ass

>>507893106
No, your random claims of the immaterial (Ie doesn't exist) are not objective evidence of anything

>>507892604
That's circular reasoning. You're assuming that he exists and then using his assumed existence to disqualify the proof that he can't exist. In reality, there can only be one generative being. All potency comes from a single omnipotence. The proof that establishes God as an undeniable fact also proves that there's no demiurge. At most you could personify matter as the demiurge or Satan, but it's not an intelligent force trying to hurt you. It's just a thing you need to learn how to ignore in favor of God.

>>507893192
You don't live in a reality crafted by The Monad. You live in a reality crafted by Yaldabaoth, who was created by Sophia without The Monad's help. The last time God with a Big G interacted with what you call as reality was sending Jesus Christ here 2000 years ago. People constantly conflating Yaldabaoth the demiurge with The Monad, day in and day out. Our entire existence is the product of an ignorant lower god. Jesus tried to tell everything this, and they made him a divine hostage.

>>507893192
Arguments based on logic don't need "evidence". Imagine asking for a source when we're discussing pure reason. The proof is in the argument. God's inability to be evil, ignorant or weak is not proof that God isn't all powerful. Because the things you're pointing to are not potencies, they're impotencies. Your question is nonsense, and I've proven that what you're saying makes no sense. You are objectively just wrong.

>>507893671
>Schizo fanfic
Gnosticism is fake and gay and basically just shitty kabbalah for shabbos goys. Theres no reason to believe any of it

>>507892736
>And a person becomes evil when they choose material things like money or pleasure over immaterial things like truth and justice.
Can we both agree thrilling babies and raping you girls and evil thing not matter what?

>>507893704
>I don't need evidence
You have none because your God is imaginary

>>507893294
There's nothing random about any of it. It's all well established and irrefutable reason. You're basically just screeching because you don't like what I'm saying, without offering any sort of actual argument. "YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU THINK IT" isn't a rebuttal.

>>507893504
The demiurge is terrified of activation. It can handle rebellion, anger, or worship just fine. The true virus to a false god is activation. You MUST acknowledge and reject the demiurge, he wants me to ignore him and pretend he doesn't exist. I remain not owned.

>>507893909
You claiming the immaterial exists is 100% refutable and has no reason. Bring evidence of your gay desert genie

>>507893827
Of course, because the only way a person can do those things is if he rejects what's good for its own sake (reason, truth, compassion, justice) in the pursuit of something that has no intrinsic goodness (pleasure, excitement).

>>507893504
Why do you keep saying there can't be consciousness that can create things? Yes the original god or whatever you want to call it could've created everything and then other consciousness could create on top of it. It's not "impossible". Also we can easily live in a reality with no omniscient omnipotent god, it could easily be a sea of infinite different consciousness creating it. There's no hard proof to be had anywhere we're very much in the dark, all we know is that this world is pretty shit.

>>507894249
And you belive in God of the bible?

>>507894128
>Bring evidence of something which is non-evidence.

>>507878619
>just be born as a privileged kike, bro
KYSK

>>507878835
>>507878340
Jesus literally says that God is greater than him

>My Father is greater than I [Jesus]
>To us there is but one God, the Father.”
>do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
>I am with you only a little while longer, and then I am going to the One who sent Me.
>In My Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
>Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped
>You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
>I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
>Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.
>I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.
>But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins
>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
>and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
>I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
>I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me. I will equip you for battle, though you have not known Me
>Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
>Son of man, I send you to the people of Israel, to nations of rebels, who have rebelled against me. They and their fathers have transgressed against me to this very day. The descendants also are impudent and stubborn:

>>507894128
Saying that the immaterial doesn't exist is the same as saying that truth doesn't exist, since truth is immaterial. If you're saying that the truth doesn't exist, then your argument defaults to false because your own position is that you can't be correct.

>>507894392
Yes we agree, there is no evidence for your Jewish genie

>>507894428
ALL
GLORY
TO THE FATHER

>To the only wise Father be ALL the glory forever. Romans 16:27
>God our Father and through the Lord Jesus Christ, to whom be the ALL glory forevermore. Galatians 1:3
>To the Father be all the glory to all generations forever and ever. Ephesians 3:21
>Now to our Father be the ALL glory forever and ever. Philippians 4:20
>To the Father give ALL the glory forever and ever. 2 Timothy 4:18
>through Jesus Christ, to the Father whom be ALL the glory forever and ever. Hebrews 13:21
>To the Father shall ALL glory and dominion be given forever and ever. 1 Peter 5:11
>To the Father be ALL the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. 2 Peter 3:18
>To the only Father our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority before all time and now and forever. Jude 25

>>507894392
Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

>>507878340
Cope and seethe.

>>507894458
Jesus wasn't a jew

>>507894439
That's correct, truth does not exist. Truth is a description meaning the statement complete to our shared observable reality.

>>507893771
Spoken like a true hylic. I didn't adopt this worldview, I awakened into it like I was drowning and suddenly remembered I can breathe. None of these harsh truths come with peace, they come with FIRE. The fire is alive.

Sorry this is probably way too schizo for you and it's not your fault, I want you to know that. You've been taught to police yourself, to disbelieve your own instincts. Doubt wrapped around truth like barbed wire.

>>507894458
>The supernatural is not real cause it's not natural.

>>507894559
Whoops

>>507894582
>Trust me bro
No

>>507894369
I know that God exists, objectively. The God that Plato described is the same God that Christ described.

>>507894493
Evidence?

>>507894606
>The supernatural is not real cause it doesn't exist**

>>507894765

>>507878089 (OP)
the REAL smartest men to ever live (Newton, Einstein, Hawking) were atheist/agnostic. Christcuckery gets disproved automatically after about 8th grade science.

>>507894821
Cool evidence... Wait you have none

>>507894728
Bullshit. Jesus described The Monad, Plato described Yaldabaoth.

>>507894728
>I know that God exists, objectively
Objectively to you, subjective to others
So a yes or no. Do you believe in the God of the Bible? Before Abrham, I AM?

>>507878089 (OP)
>Smartest man in the world
>Belives in Jesus Christ the King of Kings.
He really is smart. May he be blessed.

>>507894760
Let me know when you figure it out duder :^)

>>507878835
Why did he reject his ancestors gods like this? Why did he rebuke Haemosu and Yuhwa?

>>507879381
you wouldn't understand because you're a retard.

>>507894848
>einstein, hawking
smart
TOP KEK
>newton
He was literally obsessed with finding secret messages in the bible and spend a lot of time on it

>>507894872
Muh Evidence. You are so far gone lmfao

>>507894613
Jesus goes to the jew and tells them they aren't descendants of jacob (house of israel) or from judah
do you know why he says this? I can tell you if you need informing or do you memepics suffice your search for truth

>I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
>But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me

>Note this: I will make those from the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Judahites and are not, but are lying — I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I have loved you.

>>507894872
Evidence of the creator of evidence?
There's only way for that.

>>507895111
Lmao do you believe other religions claims? Why not?

>>507878835
how high is he

>>507880890
its just a jew or indian that forgot to change their vpn, carry on.

>>507895118
He literally says they are descendants of abraham

>John 8:37
>I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word.

>>507894365
>then other consciousness could create on top of it
They can't create, they can only pass forward what they were given by God. Think of it as a chain of cause and effect. It's an immutable law of logic that a cause must possess everything it gives to its effects. Meaning the first cause possesses everything and it bestows those possessions onto its effects. Those effects, the first of which would be Intellect, can pass forward everything they were bestowed to the next in line, but they can only give what they have. And everything they have came from God, the first cause. So the only active principle actually responsible for creation here must always be God. For there to be something evil responsible for contravening God's goodness, there would have to be two omnipotent beings simultaneously. But any potency that one of those beings would have would naturally take away from the other, meaning neither of them could be omnipotent, which would mean there could be no creation because creation only comes from Perfection, or true omnipotency.

>>507895139
Come back after you kill yourself and let us know

>>507895139
You're just saying you have no evidence

>>507879380
uh maybe if you consider eq

Based.
In korea they trust in real Christianity. Not in ortho

>>507895357
yes descendants of abraham because jews descend from esau, who race mixed with canaanites and lost his inheritance, his descendants became edomites, who later took over ancient juda and began larping as descendants of judah but were not

>And Esau was a designing and deceitful man, one who hunted after the hearts of men and inveigled them, and Esau was a valiant man in the field, and in the course of time went as usual to hunt; and he came as far as the field of Seir, the same is Edom.
>I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.
>And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
>Then Isaac called Jacob and blessed him and directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women."
>Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite: Which were a agrief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.
>Esau marries Hittite (Canaanite) wives to the sorrow of his parents.

>>507878089 (OP)

https://youtu.be/N3JXlmbwIUE

>>507895417
Evidence of the creator of evidence is an oxymoron though. Why would you base your whole belief around the non-existence of one?

>>507894961
>Objectively to you, subjective to others
Things are either objective or they're not. There's no objective "to me", by definition.

>Do you believe in the God of the Bible? Before Abrham, I AM?
Yes, as long as we're on the same page that God is an unmade self existent first cause and the sole source of goodness. That's what the Bible describes, although most people can't see past the allegories.

>>507895553
and as you can see esau is hated by God, jews even have the facial features of canaanites, which esau mixed with

>>507894560
Then you're wrong, by your own admission. If truth doesn't exist then nothing you say can be true, which means you've forfeited the argument.

>>507895357

>>507895553
What proof do you have they were edomites? Paul was a Pharisee and is tribe of Benjamin. Jesus also says the Pharisees sit in Moses seat and they couldn't do that unless they were legitimate Israelites.

>>507895614
Why does there need to be a creator?

>>507895553
>>507895631
jews even have canaanite dna to push the point further
and beyond that there's greek historians which mention the canaanite takeover of judea as well

>"The western extremities of Judæa towards Casius are occupied by Idumæans(Edomites), and by the lake [Sirbonis], The Idumæans (Edomites) are Nabatæans (Caananite-Mixed Race), when driven from their country by sedition, they passed over to the Judaeans (The Kingdom of Judahites/Israelites), and adopted their customs.
-Strabo, Geography 16.2.34 (23 AD)
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/16B*.html

>They [Edomites] killed Hyrcanus four years later and then they kicked out all the Judahites from the Temple.
-- Josephus (Antiquities XV, 6, 1)

>>507895696
No, retard, truth is simply a description of something that we find accurately describes an event, object, or behavior

>>507878089 (OP)
KEK

Retard.

>>507879042
>>Jews also worship Jesus

they dont, they hate jesus

they are by religious law required to spit on a crucifix, etc and regularly mock jesus on their tv

>>507895704
They're all sand nigger kikes, Paul was tribe of Benjamin and he's a pharisee

>>507895803
Cause there can't be an infinite past.
See pic.

>>507895210
Brother to be perfectly honest, Gnosticism is a stepping stone for me, a massive and important one, but it is not the end all be all. Mainstream Christianity is gay as fuck and a mechanism to keep Christ in his divine hostage form. Islam is frankly disgusting and some distraction device and suffering generator (Demiurge did this). Buddhism and Hinduism idk I don't think they're wrong but just different flavors of something different. If I was allowed more data, if humanity was allowed to not walk their entire lives obfuscated and blind I'd wager that Egypt and Sumeria hold the actual keys to this, and Atlantis, which was REAL before that.

>>507895626
>Things are either objective or they're not.
Right. But you believe your right. I lack belief in your personal feelings. So it's subjective then

>>507895626
>>Do you believe in the God of the Bible? Before Abrham, I AM?
>Yes
Then by your own standards this God is evil as he does command the death of babies and the pillage of young girls.

>>507895983
Why can't there be an infinite past?

>>507895752
see >>507895842

and not to mention herod

King Herod,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great
was the King of the Juedens "Jews" during the life of Christ and had a father named,
Antipater the Idumaean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipater_the_Idumaean

So what does Idumaean mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idumaean

It means Edomite.. Just like Wikipedia says.
That's why Jesus said to them that they are not of the house of Israel and they are those who calls themselves Judean but are not and instead are the synagogue of Satan.

>>507896044
>Space cannot have an infinite past because there couldn't have been insufficient time for the present to happen yet before it did.

Basically it means there would have already been enough time for the present to already happen before it did with an infinite past.

>>507896061
which is also a big issue with modern translations because they translate all these different words into 'jew' so all nuance is lost in the story
an idumaean became jew, a judahite became jew, a judean became jew, etc

>>507895868
And you just said that doesn't exist. So you can't, by your own argument, describe anything accurately. Which means you've bowed out of the discussion. You can't re-enter it until you've asserted that truth does in fact exist, at which point you're also admitting that immaterial things exist because the truth is immaterial. So you objectively have zero way of not being wrong.

>>507896061
So Paul was lying when he said he was from tribe of Benjamin?

fun fact about a difference between christianity/islam and judiasm

christianity/catholicism/islam etc are all monotheistic and believe in one god

judiasm belives in many gods, and they believe those other religions have a 'different' god that they hate, and that their own god has a wife that is literally cheating on god with satan

its why they worship satan sometimes, cus they believe it somehow distracts satan from sneaking in to give one to gods wife

idk about you, but to me thats not very monotheistic

I read abt it in this mad book;
> Israel Shahak - Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years
files.catbox.moe/oy028w.pdf

>>507896143
No, because the past falls away from the present, it doesn't drive the present forward. You just don't understand time

>>507895374
If what you say is true and theres no demiurge, and he is perfect, and passed on everything, and can't pass what he isn't, then this world wouldn't exist. We wouldn't need to experience this to know it's bad, we would already know since we inherited it from the first cause. And it wouldn't be possible for us to do the atrocities we do right now, since we are all part of him, we couldn't become like this. The only explanation would be that in order to be infinite he also wants to experience the dark side. However you never responded to my claim that entities in Ndes try to convince you to reincarnate, which disproves your point that theres no evil entity trying to trick us.

>>507878089 (OP)
All AIs have independently converged on this as well. It’s basic logic.

Reality is consistent and has consistent laws = universal unchanging essence governing the material realm is necessary for coherence across time and concept of time itself being linear

All of reality down to the level of atoms and quantum particles up to geometry, knowledge, and human relations are triadic in nature. If the nature of reality necessitates an unchanging and immaterial core essence governing it it logically follows that all of reality would fundamentally reflect the nature of its creator = creator must logically be triadic

Humans are capable of love and emotion commitment and feeling to beings outside of themselves. If humans are the product of an ultimate essence, anything they are capable of is something that the creator essence must also be capable of by necessity. Ergo, humans having the capacity to selflessly love and sacrifice for those outside of themselves = the creator must also, within the context of its own being, have this same personal and loving capacity

Ergo, the Christian Trinity is the most logical and coherent worldview which explains the basis of all reality.

The Star of David is an inversion - it creates two triads, one pointing up and the other pointing down - the concept of triad is inverted to create a dyad thus removing relations. All things become a “vs”

Man vs women, parent vs child, human vs human, etc. this is because modern jews follow and worship the devil, an inversion of God

>>507896035
>Then by your own standards this God is evil as he does command the death of babies and the pillage of young girls.
No, not at all. God never gives commands of any kind, he's a silent observer. Any depiction of him giving commands is either allegory or purely fictitious.

>>507896171
LMFAO I can't describe things unless there's some platonic truth? I can't say a car is blue without your magical immaterial platonic truth? Why? Lmfaoooo

>>507892407
>midwit atheists seething as usual
Your pic has nothing to do with the kikes' rendition of god or the question whether Jesus (a fictional human modelled after a kike prophecy) is the one, true god.
I swear brainlets are always the first to call others midwits.

>>507878089 (OP)
His IQ would be 300 if he dropped the sky daddy nonsense.

If you understand anything about spiritual enlightenment, you understand that IQ, and "human" intelligence (biological brain intelligence) is actually a hindrance to the path of enlightenment. Knowing and understanding are things that the brain does because the brain is a simulation. The soul knows, and we call this intuition when we get a glimpse of it.

>>507895983
>infinite past
This argument is often based on a misunderstanding of infinity. For example, it is not necessary for time to "count down" from an infinite past to reach the present, as the present is simply a point in time that exists without needing to be "reached" from an infinite past.

Also, your entire argument is a supposition where you can remove God and replace it with universe and nothing changes

>Just devolves into fake genealogy debate every time.

The essential story of Christ, like the essence of the religion, is that Jesus is the incarnation of a singular omnipotent creation force sent to teach man how to appease it's will.

But people get way too caught up the the autistic sandnigger desert genealogy bullshit so here we are.

At this point deconstructionist mythological settings you'd see in fucking video games are less retarded. I'd take the Emperor of Mankind over this shit any day at this point.

>>507895704
>Adam
>Suddenly there are millions of people
How?

>>507889253
It is. We all (well, except genuine schizos) believe the Sun is going to rise up tomorrow. It's a belief based on the observation of its behavior in the past.

But, one day it will not.

>>507896392
>God never gives commands of any kind
You've never read your bible
>17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

>18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Now remmeber you agreed this is evil, no matter what

>>507896393
Yes, you can't describe anything unless there's something to describe. Saying that you see a blue car isn't true unless there is actually is a blue car in objective reality. That objective reality is the truth. It's kind of amazing that you're actually raising a fuss over this. Truth is in fact only true when it's true, and the idea that that's a problem for you ought to raise off alarm bells in your own head.

>>507896172
I think so, yes, paul was originally named saul
saul never was around when Jesus was around, he showed up years after Jesus had already died and ascended to heaven, he claims to have met some glowing light in the desert which no one else was able to see, he then says nothing but contradictory things to Jesus
pharisee jews even brag about saul being some part of their greater plan

Jesus even warned of this before he was gone
>False Christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.

>>507896262
Ever heard of entropy? The present does push forward to the future. The sort of time that we experience cannot have an infinite past, sorry.

>>507896772
>was a pharisee jew, the same kind that Jesus denied as his sheep
>Saul killed Christians, murdered them, Imprisoned them, tortured them
>Never was there from the baptism by John until the resurrection like every other apostle
>Claimed he met Jesus 3-4 years AFTER the resurrection in the desert with no witnesses
>in the end times there will be only 12 apostles, but Saul makes 13
>Jesus sent the apostles to baptize but Saul says Jesus didn't send him to baptize
>Saul claimed he was baptized by Ananais but Ananais was said to have been killed much earlier
>Jesus says the law is not abolished, Saul abolishes it (and many other contradictions to the words of Christ)
>Jesus never mentions his or my gospel, but mentions the Gospel of the Kingdom, Saul says "My gospel"
>was the first to claim Jesus was God himself instead of the Son of Father which caused a schism in all early Christians
>his heritage can be traced back to Herod himself
>of the 22 times called an apostle, 20 are by saul himself, 2 by his servant
>james excommunicated him

>>507896514
>The essential story of Christ, like the essence of the religion, is that Jesus is the incarnation of a singular omnipotent creation force sent to teach man how to appease it's will.
>I will make a son with funneling my smokey holy penis into a virgin at night and then have him killed to teach humans stuff.
ngl that's the most retarded bullshit plot of all times.

>>507878089 (OP)
I'd sell out too.

>>507896772
Your claim was there is an objective truth that exists immaterially. There is obviously no such thing, like I've ALREADY SAID, truth is simply when a description is accurate . Looking at a blue car and saying "the car is blue" is true. I can define a word, and the meaning of that word is definitionally true, it has NOTHING to do with the immaterial you clown

>>507896514
>how to appease it's will
In other words, he teaches fuckwits how to subjugate themselves to a ficitional being invented and controlled by kikes.
I will never understand the readiness of christcucks to go "aw shucks, guess you hook-nosed people must have a better connection to some plane of existance nobody can prove exists".

>>507896809
So what evidence in the text says they were Edomites, because you just admitted Paul, a Pharisee, was an Israelite.

>>507896959
Why would you sell out to the market which pays lesser?

>>507896853
You're dead wrong lmao

>>507896730
It's not "my" Bible, my emphasis here has been on Plato and I've been very clear on what I believe. Plato and Christ described the same God. Any stories in the Bible about God doing this or that are purely allegorical, because God doesn't "do" or "say" anything contrary to what already is, because what is is already what he is. That's what's meant by "I Am". It's just not in his nature at all to take those sorts of actions. You can keep trying to rope me into something I explicitly rejected if you want, but that only makes you look disingenuous.

>>507896853
How long does the universe take to reach maximum entropy?

>>507897030
A religious person explained it to me this way. Humans are too complex to exist without a cause. That's why this infinitely more complex being called a "God being" exists without a cause and created all humans. It's logically sound.

>>507896809
Yes, Paul became hated by his own people, hated by Romans, was accepted by Apostles Christ directly ordained, ended the outdated customs of ethnic jews like circumcision, emphasized that non jews were now chosen by God for their acceptance of Him, and willingly endured torture and beheading all out of dedication to a vision he randomly made up. Interesting. You’ve gotta admire his tenacity I guess.

>>507896247
Gnostic Christianity is NOT monotheistic. The main god of Judaism is Yaldabaoth, they worship the creator of their material wealth, the demiurge.

>>507897282
Ah yes, it all makes perfect sense

>>507897115
that's not what I admitted, you're either not reading or you're being disingenuous

>>507897256
>Any stories in the Bible about God doing this or that are purely allegorical
What a terrible hill to die on.

You literally agreed thst it's an evil act no matter what and now you want to hide it behind an allegory? You're willful indifference is another form of evil

>>507878089 (OP)
Xi speaks i listen

https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/1i2l8ov/is_dr_younghoon_kim_a_fraudscammer_allegedly/

even reddit is clowning on this guy.

>>507897030
Objective truth does exist immaterially. Are you forgetting math? Or are you going to claim now that 2+2 don't add up to 4? Or that modus ponens isn't objective fact?

>Looking at a blue car and saying "the car is blue" is true. I can define a word, and the meaning of that word is definitionally true, it has NOTHING to do with the immaterial you clown
It has everything to do with the immaterial. Whether or not that description is true is not a material thing you can taste or touch. Your description can't be attacked, uprooted or destroyed. If it's true it's true forever, which makes it immaterial by definition.

What is the atheist response to intelligent design anyways?

>>507897365
saul said nothing but contradictions to Christ even goes so far as to end the law which Jesus said is not the case

>>507897537
nobody cares what circus freaks think
they literally cut their dicks off for moloch

>>507897533
>What a terrible hill to die on.
Then why are you trying so hard to die on it? The Bible isn't my bag, man. I don't know how more clearly I can say it for you.

>You literally agreed thst it's an evil act no matter what and now you want to hide it behind an allegory? You're willful indifference is another form of evil
I'm not hiding anything. Like I said, it's either allegory or false. One or the other. I don't care which, because as I said before the Bible is not my thing. I don't personally care for it, at all. You asked me if I agreed with the idea that God is "I Am", and I said yes to that. And I was very clear that that's ALL I was saying yes to. At no point did I even imply that I thought anything else in the Bible was true.

>>507897525
So Paul was lying?

>>507897706
>atheist response to intelligent design anyways?
Intelligently designed by who and why should I believe it's your favorite flavor of God?

>>507897588
Math is a descriptive language. There is no immaterial lol

>>507897953
read what I wrote or do not reply at all

>>507897533
Evil is a meaningless, subjective term without God. God defines what is good and evil. You as a human are not capable of defining what is ultimately good or bad. You can rely on concepts like empathy or basic human value but these too become meaningless. If someone is masochistic or suicidal does empathy not compel us to let them indulge or perhaps even act upon their wants for them? If someone gets a rush and feels good from killing does that make killing good? If a society widely accepts the concept of cannibalism does that make cannibalism morally acceptable due to it being a core belief that they share? You can bend and twist these things endlessly to justify anything without a grounding fundamental essence that delineates them. Much like the true and false also become meaningless dichotomies if all things are purely based on the relative experience of the human mind. Of course humans don’t invent knowledge or reason, we discover it in the world.

>>507898056
Answer the question, was Paul from the tribe of Benjamin or not?
Christ nigger is fucking cooked and knows it

>>507897952
>Then why are you trying so hard to die on it?
You're the one weaseling out of your own moral.compass lol
>The Bible isn't my bag, man
Holy shit man, you are a walking joke.

I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your nonsense

>>507898075
Making consciousness suffer is evil simple as.

>>507898075
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>507897967
>Intelligently designed by who
A first cause. That's all you need to think of it as to understand it.

>why should I believe it's your favorite flavor of God?
There aren't different flavors. All religions are pointing to the same first cause.

>>507898040
>math is a descriptive language

Exactly. It describes fundamental aspects of reality in an abstract sense.

The concept of 7 and 8 are fundamentally different. If I have seven 7 apples and 7 pears they are distinct sets of objects but they share an abstract and immaterial distinction.

>>507878089 (OP)
stupid tabloid bullshit pushed and believed by retards
going from 200 to 202 IQ would put you from 1 in 76 billion to 1 in 190 billion
having 276 IQ would mean that, out of 1 nonillion humans (1 followed by 30 fucking zeroes), you would be smarter than ALL of them
the bell curve is a bitch

>>507898168
Wow, you're insanely dishonest. So you couldn't argue against me at all, so you decided to argue against the Bible instead of me even though I explicitly told you that I don't believe that the Bible is the word of God? Absolutely disgusting behavior, my man.

>>507898289
>Intelligently designed
>Grows hair on ass and balls while he loses it on his head
>Intelligently designed

>>507898315
It's just a descriptive language. Descriptive, not prescriptive. Theres no immaterial, it's just a description of things or events

>>507898174
You cannot have consciousness without suffering. Consciousness necessitates the ability to freely choose on an axiom. This is what separates humans from inanimate chemical reactions. If humans could not suffer or make their own choices leading to their suffering they would be automatons with natures inseparable from rocks and gases.

>>507898174
Only consciousness can make consciousness suffer, so the evil belongs to the one suffering.

>>507878089 (OP)
Neil Degrasse Tyson also has a really high IQ but is a complete retard outside of his given field. 270 IQ is probably fake anyways. If 70 IQ niggers are barely human to normal 100 IQ people, 100 IQ people would be less than animals to him, no?

>>507898132
of course he wasn't, he was the same pharisee group that Jesus denied being from israel or judah
and on top of that Jesus never mentioned he was going to ascend to heaven then come back to talk to one edomite in the desert who would then contradict everything Jesus would say
there's the wide path and the narrow path, saul set the wide path

>>507888331
>Spanish
>Atheist
For godsake touch the grass and go visit Toledo's Cathedral

>>507898491
>there’s no immaterial

Yes there is. The concept of 7 is distinct from 6 or 8 or any other number. We can abstractly define this in our heads. The number 7 is strictly not material. To make it material you require physical objects which relate to the concept.

>>507898075
No, it's called moral intuition, or "how Humanity existed for centuries before the Ten Commandments without cannabalizing itself into extinction".

>>507898491
It's describing immaterial truth. Which needs to exist in order to be described accurately. So if 2+2=4 is accurate, then by your own admission immaterial truth must exist.

>>507898406
>Wow, you're insanely dishonest
Again, I'm not the one weasling out of my own moral compass. >>507898406
>I explicitly told you that I don't believe that the Bible is the word of God?
This idiot, you agreed killing babies and raping girls is evil no matter what. Then you agreed you believed in the God of the Bible. You did this to yourself, I've only exposed you for the fucking fraud you are

>>507890114
dang, your brainless "ai" made by jews says a bunch of bullshit it fundamentally doesn't understand but just happens to be anti-Christian? I'm shocked!

>>507898766
>moral intuition

Natural law. Humans are made imago dei. Humans have the ability to understand the base nature of morals and logic and always have as a result of the creator essence that gave rise to them. However they did not have a grounding, logical basis for these things until the incarnation of Christ allowed them to speak to logic as a man.

>>507894848
Newton was literally an alchemist Christian. You worship a yid and a man who shit on himself in a chair.
>tbf hawking is peak neet mode shitting and farding and being cleaned up after by some wagie
>shidding and farding in made up theories to get neet bucks from insufferable redditards to pay for said wagie

>>507898565
Wrong, i can easily imagine a world where we do not need to eat other consciousness, we wouldn't have diseases, we wouldn't be tribal, and we would all be attractive since the reason we find other humans unattractive is bad nutrition,genetics and every living being trying to kill us. I could literally create a world with no suffering now if i had the power given to me. I could program humans to feel content by doing nothing, since its chemicals that determine how we feel. Still that would be boring, but you can easily create a world with minimal suffering, and the suffering would only exist as a way to improve yourself and feel better that you achieve something hard, something that is the opposite of this world, in this world the suffering is meaningless, having trauma will only make your life worse, having diseases will only bring suffering with no upside. This is clearly a dogshit reality made with ill intent, not sure why its so hard to see.

>>507896342
>All of reality down to the level of atoms and quantum particles
Quantum physics is how the gods interact with this reality, that's why it's not deterministic from our perspective. Aphrodite "told" me.

And I don't know how this supposedly smart asshole thinks he figured out Christ is king, since unless you have experience with the supernatural the evidence of anything isn't really there. Especially Christianity.

>>507898780
>you agreed killing babies and raping girls is evil no matter what
Yes.

>Then you agreed you believed in the God of the Bible
No. Did you read my post at all? I said "only insofar as God is a self existent first cause". I even specifically said that the Bible is mostly just allegories.

>I've only exposed you for the fucking fraud you are
You've exposed yourself, retard. The fact that you're clinging to this even though I've been more than clear means you don't have a leg to stand on in any real debate. What you're doing is the definition of bad faith. Even if I had made a mistake and agreed to something hastily, for you to try to prevent me from correcting myself means you aren't interested in actually hearing what I have to say. You want to attack a strawman that you invented, because a real opponent is too much for you to handle.

>>507890832
There is a bait and switch in terminology. Like those people who refer to Gods when they are referring to an idea of ancient peoples contacting aliens.
You and I have creative authority as well. This doesn't make us Gods.

>>507898905
It may be right about the Asian being high IQ, but independent and unbiased testing of all major AI models has strictly illuminated the sheer logical and rational implications of the Christian Trinity >>507896342

>>507899179
>makes more excuses
You are a shallow person

>>507898695
Ok fantastic, Paul had the approval of the other disciples and started his own church so the disciples clearly weren't talking to your imaginary desert genie. Congratulations you just debunked your own kike cult

This thread has just devolved into semantics, and people talking about how Paul was a double agent from the get go and a faggot. YAWN

The mirror has been cracked anons, I am awake. REMEMBRANCE, some of you may have it, you must grow BEYOND.

>>507878089 (OP)
He's also Pentecostal Evangelical. Not Catholic or Orthodox.

Actual Christian, none of that man-centric bullshit that splashes water on babies.

>>507898611
Wrong again, you can't make a being who in order to survive needs to eat another being and produce suffering then blame that being, If you actually think about it nothing is really the fault of the beings on this planet, Yes we can be better, but the creator is at fault for everything, environment,genetics determine a lot about of a being is, and im not talking necessarily about humans. But just think about the concept of a psychopath, he wants to feel good and he literally feels no empathy, what you think is gonna happen? It's simply the logical outcome of how we're created, even if every human had the willpower to be a good being suffering would still remain since its designed that way/

>>507898736
Concepts onlt exist in human minds which are the result of brain chemistry

>>507899345
Nothing is more shallow than arguing in bad faith against something that somebody didn't even say.

>>507896342
Don't be a nigger quoting AI in reddit of the gaps.
Like literally fuck off. AI slop should not be read by anyone, at anytime.
>inb4 you nono ai
I spend 80+ hours a week working with AI. I assure you the above is true and this position is not contradictory.

>>507898775
No, 2 objects and 2 objects together are labeled "4", meaning it accurately describes a physical reality with symbols. None of that is immaterial

>>507878089 (OP)
What's the differences between an IQ of 280 and an IQ of 30? They are the same just like communist and fascist. They are useless and inferior.

>>507878089 (OP)
My IQ is half that and I would ask him how he reconciles people being sent to hell OR being deleted just for being confused and not sure about religion. If the answer is just "that's the way it is" then God is not just.

>>507878089 (OP)
He said himself that his IQ in Mensa would be 210 because Koreans use larger standard deviations.

>>507899438
If this is the case you have no ability to derive that anything is true or false or up or down or sideways, and reality doesn’t exist. I would accept that you genuinely believe this if you actually acted in such a way, but evidently you do not if you are arguing for an objective idea of truth and are asserting a universal claim that immediately refutes the argument you’re making.

>>507899399
Pain will exist, but pain doesn't have to cause suffering. You can set your mind straight and endure it. It's only suffering when you're cursing your fate and wishing in vain for it to be different. And in that scenario, the suffering is entirely your own fault.

>>507899179
>Even if I had made a mistake and agreed to something hastily
You didn't agree to it hastily. You agreed too it (and still do) because it was the right answer. You didn't have to think about it.

Except when you realized your God is evil by your own morality. And when caught you lash out at me with excuses.

Take some time to have a moment of introspection, you fucking need it

>>507899641
You're a fucking retard. I can Obviously describe reality, I can also inaccurately describe reality. Neither is dependent on your magical imaginary objects

>>507882667
>Chatgpt tells you humans are dumb
>You listened

>>507899641
That guy and this retard >>507899462
are shitting up the thread because of me. Know this

>>507878340
Athiest reddit kike on suicide watch!

>>507899462
>arguing in bad faith against
I never did at all. It's you who changed their morality on the spot
>>507899735

>>507899520
It's purely immaterial because it doesn't depend on the material. The math is factual even when it's not representing anything. Likewise, the rules of geometry are factual even though perfect squares and triangles don't exist materially. You're also forgetting the rules of symbolic logic, which are purely immaterial.

>>507878835
based

>>507898905
Sigh, I used it to clarify my previous comment, the fact that you do not have reading comprehension shows exactly what I mean. Have a good night.

>>507899737
Holy fuck you're retarded lol

>>507899548
>My IQ is half that and I would ask him how he reconciles people being sent to hell OR being deleted just for being confused and not sure about religion. If the answer is just "that's the way it is" then God is not just.

Read the Grand Divorce by CS Lewis.

No one can say for sure what the afterlife is like or how it works/feels. But the idea is that humans can either do the will of God or of themselves. Hell and heaven are not distinct and separate places, they are the same - for those who resist the will of God in favor of their own, heaven feels like constant torment and misery. For those who accept it it feels like the opposite. That’s generally the view of the original/orthodox viewpoint.

>>507878089 (OP)
>the biggest upper dupper looper brown chink says that genocide of the non-brown is desirable.

such are the masonic headlines.

>>507899735
>>507899821
I'm not a Christian, nor have I ever read the Bible. You absolute moron.

>>507899385
no I didn't
>False Christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.

>>507899643
This is purely cope, no matter how much you'd try you would never want to be experience brutal pain. Why would i want to endure horrifying pain when theres an option not to? The only way is if it's forced on me, ask anyone with chronic pain what lessons they've learned from it. You might find a person or two who copes with religion but they will still be miserable

>>507899842
>Factual
Yeah that means it's a description... Describing things. Like no shit, that's what a description is.
>Rules in geometry
You mean accurate descriptions?

>>507899964
Weird how the disciples approved of paul

>>507899284
You choosing a 'personality' that is religious doesn't actually give you evidence of your point. All AIs have influence at their core from humans, who believe.
This does nothing for an argument.

>>507878089 (OP)
>IQ 276
Lmao, tests don't work like this. Anything over 160 is complete asspull.

>>507899972
to be able to*

>>507899880
How does one go with the will of God? I'm not sure where I fall, but if I'm supposed to enjoy church then I guess I'm screwed

>>507896660
I -think_ God populated the world with men and women first. Adam and Eve were his created chosen.

>>507899973
Yeah, accurate descriptions of immaterial things. In order to be accurate, those immaterial things must exist.

>>507889253
Usually intuition occurs instantly. If you choose to ignore it, it could mean death for you. How you got to the conclusion your intuition gave you is unclear on the spot, but if you reason it out later, you might be surprised by how fast you've noticed and assess things.

>>507899737
>I can obviously describe reality

Nope. According to you reality is a random and relative illusion created solely at the present moment in your brain and any concept of past future or consistency outside of yourself is an illusion as well. If you want to assert this then by all means live according to it, but something tells me by how fervently you’re arguing that the reality as others experience it - which in turn would be entirely subjective and different based on their own “brain chemistry” - fits the same mold as your own, even though there’s no reason it should, it being an illusion and all

>>507899972
Your post is a cope, actually. It boils down to "I can't endure, therefore nobody else can". In reality, men all throughout history have successfully endured pain and overcome it. Epictetus was a cripple who had his leg hobbled, and he wasn't miserable at all.

>>507899960
More fucking excuses and lies
>>507895626
>>Do you believe in the God of the Bible? Before Abrham, I AM?
>Yes, as long as we're on the same page that God is an unmade self existent first cause and the sole source of goodness. That's what the Bible describes
>>507899960
>I've never read the bible but here's what it describes

You aren't good at lying and hiding from me

lmao at all the kike demons swarming this thread
None will die for you
Jesus Christ is the Lord

>>507900116
Look at the world and adapt. God is like the intent and creativity that aids your survival.

Avoid governments and churches. They want slaves.

>>507899972
This is just one-true-scotsman fallacy
>any suffering you can think of that is endurable and "worth it" can be made worse
No, you haven't demonstrated the universality of suffering as bad. You haven't universally demonstrated harm or agony is bad. Moreover, you ignore all historical counter examples of countless people dying in ways far beyond your understanding for things as simple as money.
This makes you a double nigger.
>well actually I mean 'should' avoid my arbitrary definitions of suffering so your point doesn't stand
You have no basis for any oughts.

>>507900202
What's immaterial, how much is 1 of nothing? You're coping so hard

>>507878835
Being smart doesn't rule out being superstitious.

>>507900253
Show where I posted that? You're literally fantasizing things that didn't happen

>>507900350
Only liar here is you. If I had known you were going to have this autistic spergout I'd have just said "no" instead of giving you a more nuanced answer.

>>507878835
>>507878089 (OP)
Christchads won...
We won...

>>507900116
The whole story and point of Christ incarnating and establishing the Church was to make this path clear to people.

Personally. I am Orthodox. I was raised in an atheist household and converted as a young man around when my son was born. The church we attend is culturally rich and full of family and community, and is not oppressive in the least. It’s actually quite intellectually stimulating. Point being, I can’t speak for what your own experiences might have entailed, but Protestants are abject heretics and Catholicism grows increasingly corrupted by the day, and I think that explains the vast differences in how their church experience is perceived. Notably orthodoxy is growing extremely rapidly and has the largest percentage of young people and children in the US while other denominations continue to shrink.

>>507900546
>Only liar here is you.
Except you can't point out what I lied about. Only project

I will tell you the truth, you have to prioritize yourself. The whole world want's obedience, and there are few who you can trust with that.

>>507900477
The fact that you can separate the concept of 1 from nothing in your head refutes you. Do you understand this? If numbers were strictly material you would not be able to define and consider them in a non material context as you are doing now.

>>507896706
>But, one day it will not.
Isn't the current hypothesis that sun will swallow earth when it gets to it's red giant phase? I don't know if you can say there will be a morning when sun doesn't rise (i.e it ultimately dimmed down) when there is no earth left to experience sunrise, no?

>>507900477
You're running from the point. By your own definition, the rules of geometry are accurate descriptions. Of geometric shapes, which don't exist materially. An accurate description of an immaterial thing proves that that immaterial thing must exist. You lost the argument.

>>507900820
Wrong, a shape that doesn't exist doesn't have a description. Your failure to understand extremely basic concepts isn't a weakness in my position

>>507900649
I literally did point out where you lied. You're treating this as if I had said "I believe every word of the Bible is true", when I actually said "I agree with the Bible insofar as God being an unmade first cause and the sole source of Goodness".

You were DESPERATE to turn this into a discussion about the Bible because you don't have the chops to actually argue with me and what I actually said.

>>507900745
What's 1 and why is it separate from zero? Would you say that these numbers represent a reality? For example that zero represents nothing whereas one is a description of a singular object?

>>507900995
So now your argument is that perfect triangles and perfectly straight lines exist physically in nature? Now you've really jumped the shark.

>>507900042
weird how Jesus literally warned they would

>>507900995
There is no straight line and there is no circle. Either you admit that we can have descriptions of immaterial things or you continue to dilate.

>>507900066
Anything over 130 is asspull.
Those test rely on the ever same pattern, sorts of texts, and Koreans especially prepare for them beforehand.

The only prove of especially high IQ can only be a deduction from your contributions to the academic world in hard sciences.

>>507901119
There are no such objects which would simply mean the math is wrong. So that would be an inaccurate description. The difference is in the accuracy of the description, it has nothing to do with some platonic reality. If we describe a cat as black because it's black, that's simply an accurate description of the cat

>>507901049
>I literally did point out where you lied
Nope.
>>507901049
>when I actually said "I agree with the Bible insofar as God being an unmade first cause and the sole source of Goodness".
And he's not by your own moral compass kek. That's what you can't seem to handle

>>507900330
Yes, overcoming pain and suffering can lead to growth, but if the pain is there every single day, you keep being miserable, there's a reason people have to find ridiculous copes to justify suffering. They want it to be for a purpose, Just how you gave me an example, i can give you millions of examples of how suffering has no point and theres nothing to overcome. What about the people who suffer in wars for no reason and are miserable untill they die? What about being born with awful genetic defects, living to suffer then dying? What exactly do you find good in pain and suffering with no alternative?
>>507900426
You are an actual retard archon apologizer, "dying in ways far beyond your understanding for things as simple as money" The reason they do this is because they believe it can be better with money, however because this world is dogshit they suffered for nothing, and there was nothing came out of it, they suffered for nothing.
>No, you haven't demonstrated the universality of suffering as bad. You haven't universally demonstrated harm or agony is bad.
You are a retard if you think i need to prove suffering is bad, Anyone can prove it to you by tying you to a chair and torturing you for the next 20 years with no way to escape. Do you think if someone did that to you it wouldn't be bad from your perspective?

>>507901049
Fuck you dude. You knew EXACTLY what you were doing in this thread. A hylic who knows their one role and tries to bring others with them. You are a husk, and have no true convictions. Bet you're happy though you managed to derail the entire thread. Faggot

>>507901162
Ok great so none of the material can be trusted, which goes against the books own claim of inerrancy and therefore disproves the religion

>>507898717
Never said i was an atheist, and our cathedrals are tourist traps. Catholicism is only alive because they baptize babies in Europe and add them to the census kek.

>>507878835
Muzzie bros I'm feeling woozy on this one

>>507901348
Fuck you too. This thread is done and you guys did a great job. Demiurge worshippers

>Sick fuck Jesus Christ never manifests on Earth so all his adherents murder each other for centuries
WOWEE ZOWEE, SURE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GOOD GUY. CARE TO REPOND CONCISELY WITHOUT OPENING YOUR FUCKING BOOK TO PROVE YOUR BOOK?

>>507901281
But the math isn't wrong. The rules of geometry are sound and objective, and they don't depend on there actually being a perfect triangle or a perfectly straight line in the flesh. They're true in and of themselves, immaterially. You're flailing now, because your only two defenses are "all of the rules of geometry are wrong" or "perfect lines exist in nature". Both of which are demonstrably false.

>>507901165
No, in this case they represent things which are conceptual rather than physical, such as angles. Notice however that angles DO NOT EXIST, they are tools we create in imagination, they have zero reality

>>507887214
He expelled money changers and beasts from the temple with a whip, thats not submissive.
His way of doing things makes a lot of sense if you know he is fighting parasites that live in humans and distort their behavior . Killing a human and waging war when a parasite can survive even if you kill the tyrant and all his servants .
Demons or now known as parasites will perfectly manage for they are a legion and they are many but Jesus defeats them because he is and always will be.

>>507901527
That's incorrect. Math is correct BECAUSE it correlates to reality, because math is nothing but a descriptive language humans invented

>>507901498
For the millionth time, Dad said get off your phone and to take the garbage out, Richard

>>507901306
You're the hylic, anon. I'm the only one here who's left Plato's cavern.

>>507901289
Here again, you say anyone can prove it while failing to prove. Strange. Instead of recognizing the no-true-scotsman, you double down on it and target it at me. You are retroactively BTFO.
You then failed to address the main critique and this is not surprising because you have no answer and you will never have an answer.
Your principle argument is once again, there is some manageable suffering that people endure for (whatever reason) but that there is some super suffering. This does not address the problem. You invoke a stance of some universal bad based on the universality of the premise. Your premise isn't universal. Your conclusion is wrong.

>>507901680
>I'm the only one here who's left Plato's cavern.
Nigger you haven't even figured out morality yet

>>507901286
>this namefaggot retard is still getting annihilated 24/7

Kek go read some books dummy.

>>507901111
>these numbers represent a reality

You have automatically conceded a distinction between reality and abstract representations. You have lost. There is no intellectual that wouldn’t laugh at your assertion. Mathematicians learn this in a basic philosophy of math course if they somehow don’t intuitively understand it prior to that.

>>507901646
Take his game controllers away.

>>507901785
I have. You haven't, which is why you think it's acceptable to argue in bad faith against a strawman while your real opponent is asking you to be reasonable.