Thread 507896833

Hey Oldfags!
Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11? I've been told this was the case but I can't quite believe it.

Also, Why did America and her allies jump so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq? Shouldn't they have completed their mission in Afghanistan (be it regime change or nation building or whatever they were trying to do) before biting off more than they could chew with Iraq? (I know pic relate and co. were lobbying the American government HARD to attack Iraq two weeks after 9/11)

To what extent were the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan influenced by "The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama (member of the "project for the new American century" Neocon think tank). Fukuyama believed Western liberal-democratic capitalism had won the Cold War and that all nations would naturally adopt liberal democracy once authoritarian regimes were removed and free elections held. But isn't that a bit naive and dismissive of post-Cold War developments like Islamofascism and China's authoritarian success? Did people really take this shit seriously?

It feels like such a different time

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>>507896833 (OP)
No, because libtard jews like Jon Stewart and Whoopie Goldberg constantly made fun of it on tv.

>project for the new American century
responsible for the mess that was the post 9/11 wars

>>507897160
made fun of the implied connection between 9/11 and Iraq?

>>507896833 (OP)
>One airplane can obliterate 3 building
>One hypersonic missile specifically built mor maximum destruction cant even completely destroy a residential home

These days I'm in deep think mode

No, it was "The 19 UN resolutions" and supposed WMDs.

>>507896833 (OP)
Everytime I reply to a thread it dies within two or three posts. So, here goes.


>Hey Oldfags!
GenX here

>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11?
Not one fucking bit. If by "people" you mean the NPCs, maybe,

>Also, Why did America and her allies jump so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq?
Because Zionist Jews controlled our foreign policy. See rys2sense.

>To what extent were the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan influenced by "The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama (member of the "project for the new American century" Neocon think tank).
Who knows. I never read it, it is just pop poli-sci bullshit. The title alone is retarded.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11?
no, and even as dumb high school kids me and all my friends were very confused as to why the US decided to invade iraq (muh WMDs!!!11) and afghanistan (because...?) after we were attacked by "saudi terrorists" yet saudi arabia didn't even receive a slap on the wrist.

it was only in hindsight, of course, that pieces were all put together to reveal the image of the puzzle being israel and globokikes in general.

>>507897086
hmmmmm.
there's a degree of credibility in that Iraq fired 40+ scud missiles at israel in 1991.

It was weird that they found literally no chemical weapons since they has such a stockpile of them during the war with Iran.
Considering how central "WMD" was to the Iraq war i thought America would have fabricated a small arsenal to justify their actions. I'm not sure if im impressed they didn't or disappointed that they showed such lack of initiive

>>507897599
>it is just pop poli-sci bullshit. The title alone is retarded.
Yup. Can't really understand why anyone would take it seriously. But because of it he was part of the Project for the new American century along with Cheney, Rumsfled, Bush jr, Rice, Kristol, Wolfowits etc. They were hell-bent on tkaing out the "axis of evil" (iran, iraq, n.Korea) and lesson they would take from Fukuyama is that they don't really need to plan for post-invasion nation-building. democracy will flourish on its own accord..... which was ridiculous.
I'm trying to figure out who is to blame for there being such naive ideas about post-war nation buiulding

You seem to be ignoring the information I provided to you. Focus on the "Office for Special Plans" rather than PNAC.

>>507898070
They found some scrapped materiel that was dumped in ditches but no active program.
Ironically if Saddam had done all the paperwork and cucked to the UN he might still be in power today.

>>507898746
I've been skimming through them.
Thought you were a bot

>>507898927
>skimming
Wow you must be really interested in this topic.

>>507897399
It's almost as if jews lie

>>507899034
got any pictures explaining why the post-invasion "nation building" endeavors in iraq and Afghanistan went so wrong?

>>507896833 (OP)
yeah i remember the constat spamming in all the media
>they definitely have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
>WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION CONFIRMED BY ALL THE SECRET AGENCIES
lel

9/11 wasn't really used as a direct justification for Iraq. it was mentioned, obviously, as evidence of what Muslims would do if they had access to WMD's, but it was not a main justification.
We jumped to Iraw so quickly because Sadam was the biggest threat to American dominance in the region at the time and was definitely flirting with the idea of arming himself with WMDs at a mininum, and likely doing more. invading Iraq was a good play, the occupation was a disaster though.

>>507896833 (OP)
Others have already answered the Iraq question but I think this is an interesting point:
>isn't that a bit naive and dismissive of post-Cold War developments like Islamofascism
Here's something you might find interesting: Nobody gave a shit what the Muslims were doing in their countries before 9/11. It was never talked about. I don't think most Americans even knew what a Muslim was. It was only after 9/11 radical Islam was turned by politicians and media into an existential threat to the west and coincidentally the immigration floodgates to Europe opened around the same time. These days people think of these things as being how it's always been. It wasn't.

>>507898584
>I'm trying to figure out who is to blame for there being such naive ideas about post-war nation building
A group of people who view everyone not of their tribe as human-shaped animals created to serve them by their deity, perhaps; a people who have never fought let alone won their own wars, and have never successfully built and maintained a lasting nation or engaged in sincere diplomacy.

>>507896833 (OP)
No even children knew Iraq was about oil.

>>507900737
It wasn't about oil. Read:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/507376656/#507377724

or watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeloY3bVBtc

>>507897399
If it was built for maximum destruction, it would have a nuclear warhead on the end.

>>507897399
Controlled demolition, buddy. Plans just a TV overlay like they use for sports programming to show you the score.

>>507897399
Controlled demolition, buddy. Plane was just a TV overlay like they use for sports programming to show you the score.

>>507900737
the first petroleum contracts of the new iraq government went to the ching chong chinks, dumbshit. obviously your people

i was fucking there for it.

>>507900850
>>507901088
At the time, children believed it was about oil. They were wrong, but it properly answers OPs question. Did people believe Iraq was involved? No. They believed it was about oil.

>>507896833 (OP)
After 9/11 we just wanted to fuck shit up and Iraq had a punchable face

>>507901232
i namely said that because they only ones that barge into a thread and immediately cry about america from anglo saxon Australia are bugmen chinks that ran away from china

>>507896833 (OP)
No, they said Saddam had wmd´s and that they killed babies in incubatos. First war we could watch from the tv "live". Nevö foget.

>>507900138
>Nobody gave a shit what the Muslims were doing in their countries before 9/11
Mostly, but not 100% true. My parents once told me an interesting story about how they were visiting Athens in the 1980s shortly before my birth, and on the day of their trip home, right after their own flight took off, another flight at the airport was hi-jacked by two islamic terrorists and a US serviceman aboard was killed and thrown onto the tarmac before they took off and began what would be a several week hostage situation. This was of concern to my father because he was in the military at the time and had a very "it could have been us if our flight was an hour later" feeling of the situation.

What they didn't know, and what I only learned later after reading about the event
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847
was that the incident was spurred by israel's imprisonment of several hundred Shia muslims in israel. Jews and their behavior in the middle east (and the west's funding and protection of it) have always been at the root of islamic terrorism globally. We did not have enemies in the middle east until the creation of Israel.

>>507897399
Iran's hypersonic missiles have tiny payloads

The US government and media propaganda for war in the middle east after 9/11 was so insane people broadly did not question the official narrative. There is a lot of that still happening today with the push for a war with Iran

>>507898746
Doug Feith and OSP filled with Mossad agents just invented “evidence” to go to war.

If you watch Napalitano’s show, the regular guest Karen Kwiatkowski was actually in the OSP. She’s a Jew or half Jew so I guess they thought she would be cool about what was going on.

>>507902510
>enforcing the law causes crime!
your logic

>>507900737
No, see, it wasn’t about oil. It was about Israel.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11? I've been told this was the case but I can't quite believe it.
Yes fox news kept repeating it despite there being no evidence

In regards to your other questions, no those are all red herrings. These wars are jewish wars, they are started to strengthen israel and for no other reason. The fact that some american companies pillage the countries in the process is a side note, not the main event, even though much jewish media will try to make you think otherwise

>>507896833 (OP)
Im 40.
We were told they harbored terrorists and had WMDs and planned more attacks like 9/11 but using chemical and biological weapons.

Everyone had a blood lust I never seen in my life including right now.
It was like the entire nation just turned into sycophants ready to die in the middle east.

I'm not exaggerating or fucking around.

>>507896833 (OP)
No.

Iraq was sold as “Saddam’s Chemical Weapons Facility” on the Salman Pak peninsula.

I spent 15 months scouring every square inch of it and found nothing but lies.

>>507896833 (OP)

Not at all.

I was 18 in 2001, at uni in 2003. Everyone knew Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, it was oil and regional disruption. By March 2003 the 9/11 sympathy had worn off and half a million marched on London in one day.

Blair was up Bush's arse so much it was a national disgrace. He had Dr David Kelly whacked and we all knew. Iraq was an obvious nightmare and he sent our people in anyway. Cunt.

>>507904002
that was the jew medias doing. i fell for it and was over there myself. you saw it.

the ampunt of hate they drummed up i remember the cyron banners

AMERICA UNDER ATTACK
MUH OSAMA BIN LADIN
MUH IRAQ FREEDOM

>>507903624
The creation of israel and subsequent behavior of kikes oppressing muslims, and the sympathizing and support of those kikes in their oppression of muslims, caused islamic terrorism. That's been the last 40 years of reality, moishe, and your kike pilpul to the contrary isn't going to convince anyone at this point.

>>507896833 (OP)
No all Israeli lies like usual

>>507896833 (OP)
I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday. I was 18 at the time, banging a 16 yr old (legally). We climaxed as the first plane hit. The towers weren't the only things to get destroyed on that day, if you know what i mean.

>>507896833 (OP)
Nobody believed that they had direct involvement beforehand. The thing you have to understand about the pre-2003 middle east is that groups that are currently flagged as Iranian proxies, like Hamas and Hezbollah, were Iraqi proxies at the time. The connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda was that Al-Qaeda was an Islamic terrorist group that was benefitting from the networks and resources of Iraqi backed, anti-Israel groups.

The reason that the US jumped from Afghanistan to Iraq was that Saddam Hussein had pledged to support the Taliban and its remnants following the US invasion.

Although we now know that there were no chemical weapons in Iraq, we also know that this is only because the Iraqi government was lying to Saddam Hussein - everyone else, including Saddam Hussein, believed that Iraq had chemical weapons. Given Iraq's overt anti-American posture following Afghanistan, there was real concern that Iraq would use one of its proxies to use chemical weapons against the US.

The anti-war propaganda on Iraq had basically rewritten pre-invasion history. What we now know is that everything Iraq was doing was a farce to maintain leadership of the Islamic world while intimidating Iran. But the fact was the pre-2003 Iraq appeared to be a well armed, irrational, and hostile country. They were openly threatening to use their network of proxies to attack the US using chemical weapons while at the same time relying on France, which was heavily invested in the Iraqi economy, to secretly tell the US about how everything was a farce. Except whoops, France never did that until after the invasion.

They absolutely did. Even used a still from "The Rock" featuring Nicolas Cage and Sean Connery as evidence.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/06/how-the-rock-may-have-helped-drag-britain-into-the-iraq-war/

Boomers believed everything said because they weren't satisfied with the response and were blinded by a decade of prosperity. We will never return to those days -- days when information meant a lot more than now.

>>507904604
Nazis and later Soviets spread antisemitic lies and stoked across the middle east. It could be said that the Arabs are the ones that have suffered the most from these lies, although they seemed very eager to believe them.
Opressing? Really? That sounds exactly like something from the Soviet or leftism playbook. Let me remind that it is the Israel that has been attacked since its inception. The october 7th attacks are just the last in long line of attacks aimed at Israel.

>>507904069
met a bong in Qatar on the way there

shootin pool at the rec hall with him. using my 3 beer per day ration coupons you euro niggers didnt really have to deal with in the AOR

i think he was from north Ireland? or norf england? couldn't understand a fucking thing he said. i have no idea what those guys are doing to communicate up thete

>>507896833 (OP)
Jesus christ I didn't know that jews literally openly shilled for the war in Irak. Now it makes no doubt why the US invaded that country.
They truly only do it for Israel.

>>507905626
It's funny. When Kennedy was elected there was a concern that a Catholic POTUS would take orders from the Pope. This is worse.

I was pro war because after 911 we needed to kick somebody’s ass over there, and Iraq had been a problem for years at that point. Also the leftist sheep all went MUH VIETNAM and were in this sort of LARPing hippie protest mode which made me hate what they were about. They were worse to me than the freedom fries jingoists.

I was still caught in the Left-Right paradigm and I didn’t understand the Jewish problem at that point. It would take a few more years to begin to really get it. But it was the Iraq War and trying to understand why the parties behaved like they did that got me started. You can’t make sense of American politics if you are blind to Jews. You just can’t. Everything makes sense once you allow yourself to see it.

Bayit Yehudi MK: Kerry pressure on Israel has anti-Semitic undertones
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Bayit-Yehudi-MK-Kerry-pressure-on-Israel-has-anti-Semitic-undertones-339879

Israel Sabotage Obama Foreign Policy
http://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201

Iran nuclear talks: US accuses Israel of 'leaks' - BBC News
www.bbc.com/.../world-middle-east-31.

Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer is GOP Operative
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/26/world/middleeast/israels-outspoken-envoy-is-wise-to-us-ways.html

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/bibis-brain-comes-to-washington-ron-dermer-netanyahu-100561_Page2.html#.VRMmTPnF-P8

Ambassador Tries to Bridge Gap With U.S., but on Israel’s Terms
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/us/israel-ron-dermer-ambassador-iran-nuclear-deal.html

What Netanyahu's meddling in US election means for Obama
www.csmonitor.com/.../What-Netanyahu-s

Binyamin Netanyahu gambles on Mitt Romney victory | US ...
www.theguardian.com › US News › US elections 2012

Group Backing Netanyahu Will Air Ad Attacking Hillary Clinton
www.nytimes.com/.../group-backing-netanyahu-w

Israeli Ambassador Throws John Boehner Under The Bus After Disrespect Of Obama Backfires
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/06/us-israel-usa-congress-iran-idUSKBN0LA1AG20150206

Report: Leaked intelligence document shows Mossad didn't think Iran sought nuclear weapon
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Report-Leaked-intelligence-document-shows-Mossad-didnt-think-Iran-sought-nuclear-weapon-391902

180 Israeli Ex-Military Chiefs Oppose Netanyahu's Speech
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/israel-netanyahu-congress-generals/2015/03/02/id/627666/

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11?
no. nobody even claimed that. what happend was the US put a polititian in blackface and he went and shook a scary jar of powder at the UN and the UN said no so the US bombed Iraq anyway and like the helpful little bitch that the UK (me) is, we jumped in for a laugh. They played this video on loop to make if feel like winning.

>>507905538
nigga the jews are literally genociding muslims right now as we speak in gaza. you are an actual kike propagandist to try and gaslight this hard in defense of the kikes (You)

>>507904002
I remember. They even had Colin Powell, the half nig wonder boy sec of state, going to the UN with a vial of chemical weapons and diagrams of chemical weapons making factories present as real intelligence gathered. They even rumored Saddam had a couple nukes he got from the Soviets. It was all bullshit and they turned Iraq upside down for years after the invasion looking for WMDs that were never there. Saddam was bluffing. He wanted us to think he had WMDs, but that was mostly so his Islamic neighbors would believe it and not attack him. The US believed him and invaded Iraq under a lie and spend 2 or 3 trillion dollars doing it.

>>507896833 (OP)
there was a better case that Iraq had WMD's than Bin Laden was in that safe house.

Secondly, even if they knew he didn't, it was still the right thing to remove him. Just look up his sons, Uday Hussein used to use videos on from the internet as inspiration of how to torture people.
He was so evil even Saddam wouldn't let him near any real power.

>>507905538
You just skipped the part where the reason as to why some prefered russian socialists or even nazis to following a world led by the US, UK and France (which they felt more tempted with) was the episode just before. The sykes picot partition of the region, the creation of states with no historical, geographical or ethnical meaning to plant the seeds of tensions.
The fact that they built there a settlement of migrants brought from europe, arming them to the teeth and enabling their gangs to rampage as they pleased.

Maybe despite being drawn to your model, they couldn't justify to themselves following it thus assuming naively that the oppositing thesis to follow for this modern world they were just about to enter might be better. Isn't the reason many countries were swayed by communists basically the same? Just a different version of that story?

>>507896833 (OP)
not talk about mr. Iraq
they talk about Mr. Iran

>>507906827
>Secondly, even if they knew he didn't, it was still the right thing to remove him. Just look up his sons, Uday Hussein used to use videos on from the internet as inspiration of how to torture people.
It wasn't remotely the right thing to do. That wasted an entire country, caused 2 million deaths, and that wasn't even the beginning of the damage inflicted on that country. Their gold was stolen, and people were being raped and tortured in places like Abu Ghraib in more attrocious ways than during Saddam's reign.
Not to forget the elephant in the house. Saddam himself was put in that positon of power following a coup with the help of CIA.
Just like Mossadegh was couped to put the Shah in power, and although he might be more romanticized in your medias, he was the conform copy of saddam, had torture chambers and a political police and impoverished his people. He made more religious among his population than any Ayatollah could.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11
no. ive never heard anyone say that. it was muh wmd kikery

>>507896833 (OP)
I recommend you watch this it is a good time encapsulation of the attitudes at the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA5SaHi6VKs

9/11 was used as emotional justification to do just about anything. It was a time of justified national outrage but it was co-opted mainly towards enriching Dick Cheney, Haliburton and deep state pockets.

Operation "Shock and Awe" was pretty cool to watch from TV. Sadaam was planning on only taking euros for Iraqi oil and that's the reason the US went in - to keep the USD the world currency and petrodollar.

>>507896833 (OP)
>I've been told this was the case but I can't quite believe it.
Good thread. But yeah people didn't buy into it en masse. But it got repeated enough times that people stopped questioning it after enough new news piled up on it and new resentments got created.
The same will happen with Iran if they continue the path we are currently on. It is a fucking fucking shame.

>>507897399
>4 planes
It was actually 5 airplanes that day. The 5th was running late to the tarmac and didn't take off on time due to mysterious "electrical glitches" described by the pilots and staff afterwards as "being hacked".
People think the intended target could have been building 7. Which, if true, would explain it's collapse, and bring new meaning to why Larry Silverstein said what he did about having to "pull it".

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11? I've been told this was the case but I can't quite believe it.
Nope, they said Iraq had "Weapons of Mass Destruction"
I remember Netanyahu testifying that clear as day before congress.
>Also, Why did America and her allies jump so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq? Shouldn't they have completed their mission in Afghanistan (be it regime change or nation building or whatever they were trying to do
They did secure their objective, it was the poppy fields. Big Pharma jews needed it to get half the country addicted to narcotic painkillers.
Go look up the pictures of American soldiers standing in poppy fields guarding them if you dont believe me.
>To what extent were the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan influenced by "The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama
No idea, but as usual both wars were heavily influenced by Jews, Israel, Free Masonry and they achieved multiple of objectives from it.

>>507908623
there was a YTMND back in the day of him flailing his arms at a podium to homer Simpson voice WHERES MY BURRITO


shit was so cash

>>507896833 (OP)
> Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11


Boomers are the last generation of Americans that have actual buy in with the globohomo system in a collective sense. That’s why jews have always gone to great lengths to make sure boomers are bought off. Many people knew it was retarded then, but the mass of cable addicted boomers was too great. They were the only ones with money and in positions of power at the time.
There were many, many people on both sides of the spectrum who were against the wars, but curiously, their points of view were never allowed to be promoted or shared.

>>507899288
instead of so called nationbuilding, they sponsored sunni and shia terrorist groups to bomb each other so they could "divide and rule" iraqi society.

i remember at the time SAS men were captured with terrorist bomb making equipment near a market and needed to be rescued by american troops. america (jews) literally terrorised iraqi society until it fell apart.

>>507909420
>They were the only ones with money and in positions of power at the time.
They fucking still are. The US desperately needs term limits for congress. Every single career politician is a prime example of why.

>>507896833 (OP)
no. and there was massive world wide protests about the iraq war. everyone knew it was absolute bullshit.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War

>>507906217
>The US believed him
no they didn't. it was a cynical lie jews made up to feed the american public.

>>507896833 (OP)
90% of you weren't even born then.

Desert Storm (First Iraq invasion) was a set up and the second Iraq war was the final blow . . . .that was also a set up.

It's sole purpose was to destabilise Iraq as part of a bigger plan to destabilise the Middle east at the request of Israel.

Everyone complains about it now but at the time everybody fell for the lies.

>>507909555
>i remember at the time SAS men were captured with terrorist bomb making equipment near a market and needed to be rescued by american troops
Bollocks.

You have no idea.

>>507908109

>emotional justification

Pretty much this. Ever got really angry as a kid when you hurt yourself on something and you just wanted to kick something? That's what a lot of people were like, just angry about 9/11 and looking for anyone or anything to be angry at.

Plenty of people pointed out that there was no obvious connection between 9/11 and Saddam but people just ignored it because they wanted someone to blame.
Even the people that pointed out the lack of connection didn't really like Saddam much so they were like "fine whatever" when they ousted him.
As usual, the problem isn't getting rid of the old leadership, it's installing new leadership that isn't incompetent, corrupt or unstable or stops playing along.

>>507909808
this

redpill: the invasion of Iraq/Kuwait/Afghanistan was always about surrounding Iran and putting pressure on them. the ultimate goal has always been a "greater israel". Americans were sent into the meat grinder for absolutely NOTHING in return.
>t. was actually there

>>507899671
There was a tangential link that was asserted because of the existence of Al-Qaida in Iraq. I don't remember anyone connecting Saddam with 9/11 though.
One thing that doesn't get enough attention is the anthrax attacks in 2002. I feel like the administration really leaned into those to push the WMD hysteria that enabled the war

>>507910247
Iraq and Iran did not have good relations. Iran grew more powerful by the eliminations of Iraq.
but thats also why Jews created ISIS to try to disrupt the spread of Iranian power as well as have another proxy against Syria.

>>507909808
> and there was massive world wide protests about the iraq war
No there wasn't.

Not going to read your jewpedia link, as it is written and edited years after the event.

>>507910286
British troops rescued the SAS guys NOT Americans . . .. and I am far more aware of what happened than you are from your google searches.

>>507900850
>>507901088
Perhaps not directly. But Cheney's Halliburton got no-bid contracts in Iraq worth billions of dollars so there was clearly some incentive there

>>507910807
Here is something that will put things into perspective.

Kuwait was drilling horizontally into Iraqi oilfields and stealing the oil . . .. .. Saddam complained to the UN and the USA but nobody wanted to know, that's why he invaded Kuwait and set the oil rigs on fire.

After the Iraqis were chased out by a unilateral force, the USA continued to bomb Iraqi military sites, airfields, aircraft, for some years . . . .until an excuse was made to invade. Which was quite an easy task.

This whole thing was planned.

>>507910631
>No there wasn't.

>>507911601
how old were you at the time? 4?

>>507911606
>No there wasn't.
There will always be protesters but it was NEVER to the extent that we are lead to believe today. Most people followed the Governments party line.

>>507911819
I was in Iraq during Desert Storm age 25.

>>507911848
No, you disgusting turd. We REMEMBER. Fucking kill yourself.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Hey Oldfags!
Yes?
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11?
I didn't believe it. Those WMDs the media bombarded us with suddenly sounded like bullshit.
>Also, Why did America and her allies jump so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq?
A few dozen influential US journalists and intellectuals, most of the jewish, managed to convince George W Bush that Saddam was dangerous, that removing him from power would be good for the world, that he would do what his daddy couldn't, and that he would be remembered as one of the great presidents. The result was an illegal war of aggression, a million dead, a power vacuum followed by a bloody civil war, followed by ISIS.

>>507896833 (OP)
Heh.. nothing person kid.

>>507912063
so you're already going senile.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11? I've been told this was the case but I can't quite believe it.
People in general? Yes. Saddam had been portrayed as some sort of supervillain in the media since the Gulf War.

>Also, Why did America and her allies jump so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq?
Afghanistan seemed to have been pacified in a matter of weeks.

>"The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama
Not that book exactly. But it was a general belief that that the entire world was crying out for democracy and would welcome it. The fall of the Berlin Wall was little more than a decade before, after all. I remember the term "Islamofascism" from the time, but it was only portrayed as someone being under the thumb of a dictator. China was also not major world power in the early 2000's, and it was seen in the same light as some backwards former Soviet state but with a billion people.

>inb4
I never believed any of that shit.

>>507912382
>so you're already going senile.
Not yet, been there done that - eyes wide open.

I have a few years left before I smell of boiled cabbage and urine.

Got some good stories to tell though, when I am resigned to comfy slippers and a mug of cocoa.

>>507896833 (OP)
No, they obfuscated the whole thing then brought out yellow cake from mossad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa6UfcMWXPI

>>507896833 (OP)
I remember thinking that the WMD thing was BS but that getting rid of a brutal dictator could only be a good thing.... the crowds looked happy enough taking down the statue....obviously everything will be better now.

>>507896833 (OP)
ikr that whole affair seems so dignified in retrospect. we spent months weighing evidence in the public square even with the pain of 911 still fresh. today its a rush to war with nothing but bibi and retard trump screaming they have nukes we are all going to die. sneak attacking them while negotiating. can you imagine dubya trying that shit on saddam? he would have been hung in the public square, no one would have supported him pulling this shit.

>>507912940
>I remember thinking that the WMD thing was BS
It was BS.
I was with Iraqis at the time and even they laughed . . . .one of the favourite things they said was "we can't even make chocolate, let alone nuclear weapons"

Iraq did have a limited amount of chemical weapons though, we know this.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11?
yes, the same exact people who believe Iran has been 2 weeks away from having nukes for the last 30 years
"hwhite" (((boomers)))

>>507896833 (OP)
>>507900737
if you dont believe that everyone knew this was bullshit, go watch chapelles show, I dont remember the episode but it was a skit about being the black version of president bush

>>507914856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLuALBnolM

>>507914856
It wasn't about oil.
It's a bit deeper than that.

>>507896833 (OP)
Yes. Internet barely existed back then and only nerd males were there, discussing CPUs and shit. I can't recall any serious political discussions from that era, I was getting most of my political knowledge from books and rarely from dedicated forums. So, people had to get it from TV and, you know...

>>507896833 (OP)
bruce edwards ivins a radical zionist and jewish supremacist working in an US bio weapons lab staged the anthrax attacks after 9/11 which
killed americans and had a federal building evacuated every other week

he did it as false flag to benefit israel pretended he was muslim
collin powell held up an anthrax vial pretending saddam was responsible for those
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins


>In a letter, Ivins stated, "By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen, and have no need for 'dialogue' with any gentile."

>>507896833 (OP)
The Bush administration never said it directly. What they would do is any time Sadam was mentioned they would bring up 9/11 and vice versa. They created the perception of association very intentionally while never being legally culpable for directly lying.

Wow, 23 years ago and he was already there.
I think Israel needs a regime change.

>>507915458
I wonder (((who))) controls TV

>>507898921
*they found rusted out scrap material from the 90s dumped like hazardous waste in a ditch

>>507915653
>Bush administration never said it directly.
>they just openly insinuated for 2 and a half years
canadian posters are confirmed IDF on a VPN

>>507915653
They did lie about weapons of mass destruction however.

>>507896833 (OP)
https://youtu.be/ias6dMIdyGg?t=562

I remember. Member berries.

It feels good that zoomers are redpilled about the Jews and the U.S. now. I remember we couldn't question the .gov until 2004 and even then just barely. John Stewart was the only source of accurate reporting close to mainstream media. It was so evil. I joined the military in 2006 during the troop surge and I realized how evil our government is and that there is no way to stop it short of nukes because of the federal reserve peace through strength industrial complex.

>>507915653
The Bush's were lying in 1999 2000 trying to get elected. They never told the truth.

there was never any good explanation of why "saudi individuals" (read: mossad) meant we had to invade afghanistan and iraq. something about osama and mission accomplished. no one really knew why were were there so there were silly memes about "freedom and oil" even from the goyslop-addicted normcattle. everyone knew deep down it was bullshit from day 1.

>https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/

>Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of "art student" encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to "DEA groups."

>In some cases, the Israelis visited locations not known to the public -- areas without street addresses, for example, or DEA offices not identified as such -- leading authorities to suspect that information had been gathered from prior surveillance or perhaps electronically, from credit cards and other sources. A number of the Israelis resided for a period of time in Hollywood, Fla. -- the small city where Mohammed Atta and three terrorist comrades lived for a time before Sept. 11.

>In the wake of the NCIX bulletin, federal officials raised several other red flags, including an Air Force alert, a Federal Protective Services alert, an Office of National Drug Control Policy security alert and a request that the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) investigate a specific case. According to one account, some 140 Israeli nationals were detained or arrested between March 2001 and Sept. 11, 2001. Many of them were deported. According to the INS, the deportations resulted from violations of student visas that forbade the Israelis from working in the United States. (In fact, Salon has established that none of the Israelis were enrolled in the art school most of them claimed to be attending; the other college they claimed to be enrolled in does not exist.) After the Sept. 11 attacks, many more young Israelis -- 60, according to one AP dispatch and other reports -- were detained and deported.

from bibi's book in the 90s...

>https://spikeartmagazine.com/articles/one-work-gelatin-s-the-b-thing

>Oddly enough, the helicopter and hotel photos were meant to serve as exhibition material for Gelitin’s show at Leo Koenig Gallery the following year. Whether by coincidence or some unnameable cosmic force, the opening day of the exhibition was 11 September 2001.

>"And then the surgical intervention in the World Trade Center in New York City. Everything top secret and illegal of course. In days of conspiratorial work, somewhere on the 148th floor and using building site refuse they had tediously smuggled into the building under their pullovers, they constructed a functioning load-bearing balcony. In a long complicated process they scratched putty from the tall heavy window, which couldn't be opened. Then they extracted it using suction pads, shunted the balcony out, posed on it at 6 in the morning and had themselves photographed there from a helicopter for their nearest and dearest back home. They kept very mum about it all, because if word had crept out about their coup they could have been fined very heavily for sabotaging a national treasure. Even if it was built by the Japanese. Incidentally, as proof that they were there, there is now a piece of old chewing gum stuck to the outside of the building at a dizzy height." (Tex Rubinowitz)
>https://www.gelitin.net/projects/b-thing/

really, not a single person thinks that's interesting?

fuck all ya'll glowies and cucks

No one believed this shit

>>507917941
I found some old video footage today uploaded it to webm

>>507896833 (OP)
On 911 I literally told my (now) wife "no matter who did this they will use this as an excuse to go back into Iraq."

>>507911601
truth bomb. yup.

>>507918426
>I return to the role of inadequate ideas in producing the inadequate response of the democracies to terrorism
Kind of says it all. The way it's written is so funny too, he says "the democracies" just like how a jew would say "the nations" in reference to gentiles. What the hell, man. Insane excerpt.

>>507896833 (OP)
>id people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11?
Yes then it became
>Saddam has WMDs
when that failed it became
>we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here
like those camel fuckers could invade the USA

>>507896833 (OP)
I distinctly remember being confused about it personally; why we were invading Iraq if it was Afghanistan that was holding Bin Laden.

At least 1/3rd of people didn't buy it.

>>507921715
going from mid to late 2000s we all started getting pissed off like, "why tf sre we here? these goddamn hadjis are worse than wetbacks. they know if they need something daddy america will buy them one, do it for them, whatever else"

none of those mother fucker iraqis gave a single god damn

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11?
Yes.
>To what extent were the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan influenced by "The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama
Not much.

>>507897383
Yeah, they made fun of it. That doesn't mean that no one believed it. Plenty of people believed that bullshit. Some people even believed the WMD story. Hell, lots of people bought that despite the fact that it was really weak tea and obvious bullshit.

boomp

>>507897599
>Not one fucking bit.
Bullshit. Plenty bit. People were fucking ready to believe anything after 9/11. Some dudes signed up to go fight and wanted specifically to go to Iraq to avenge 9/11.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Also, Why did America and her allies jump so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq

Iraq was invaded first you fucking retard
Because many reasons

>>507921679
Back in the day they actually said
>If we dont send troops to Vietnam we will be fighting the Vietnamese in the streets of Los Angeles

>>507909555
They tried nation building but the Iraqis weren't having it. They tried installing some nobody fuckhead who was subservient to Israel. Ahmed Chalabi, remember him?

>>507910631
>No there wasn't.
Yes there were.

It was exactly like COVID.

Some sliver of the overall population, like 10% or so, realized the war on Iraq was bullshit and made no sense, but everyone else was just whipped into a frenzy with fear.

People wanted to nuke Iraq, etc... It was obvious to me Iraq wasn't even involved in 9/11. It was obvious the Jews probably did it. It was immediately obvious after the US invaded that the war would be a quagmire clusterfuck with no benefit to the US and it was just neocon psycho jews pushing it.

Then after about 18 months, the mass of hypnotized crazy americans came to their senses one by one and most people opposed it.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Did people really believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had some kind of tangential involvement in 9/11? I've been told this was the case but I can't quite believe it.
Yes we were really that retarded

>>507923812
The Iraq War was never even sold to the public as having anything to do with 9/11 though, it was all about the WMDs. The US/UK governments definitely benefited from the anti muslim/arab sentiment produced by 9/11 in their case for war, but they didn't actually try to tie Saddam to 9/11.

>>507923829
Here's your (You)

Oh, also, Francis Fukuyama is just another neocon Straussian. The only reason his book was famous was because those shyster vermin publicized it and they have backing from a bunch of rich jews with media connections.

>>507923829
>Iraq was invaded first
wrong

>>507924347
>like 10% or so
Closer to 50%.

>>507924411
The Bush admin repeatedly insinuated that Iraq had "connections" to Al Qeada and would facilitate terror attacks in the US. They never said "Saddam did 9/11" but the sales pitch was definitely centered around 9/11 and terrorism.
>it was all about the WMDs
They they would give to their good buddies who "knocked down our towers."
>they didn't actually try to tie Saddam to 9/11
100% incorrect

>>507924411
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8jd50l

In the loop is a great comedy showing both sides of the Atlantic at the time. Even got Gandolfini in it.

>>507925211
Almost all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. It was all so obvious I don't know how they got away with it at the time.

>>507896833 (OP)
No, and this was my first redpill as a middle schooler. I remember asking my dad why we were attacking Iraq if Osama was in Afghanistan. No answer

>>507896833 (OP)
saddam should have been removed in 1991

>>507924824
You are a retard

>The 2003 invasion of Iraq was the first stage of the Iraq War. The invasion began on 20 March 2003 with 600,000 troops

>December 2003: The year ends with about 13,100 troops in Afghanistan.

Compare the troop numbers asshole. It was a token force in Afganistan

>>507926073
They invaded Afghanistan in 2002 idiot.

>>507926073
Excuse me it was in 2001 right after 9/11.

>>507926171
No
They invaded with 6000 troops pretending to be looking for Osama.
Faggot
>well he's not under this rock better check that rock over there...

>>507926420
They still invaded Afghanistan before Iraq, which is what your dumb ass was arguing against.

>>507926251
>6000 troops to look for the guy who "did" 9/11

>600,000 troops to invade Iraq for no good reason

Are you a retard or a shill?

>>507896833 (OP)
Nobody ever really bought into that narrative, but we wanted to bomb some Arabs and somehow Iraq seemed like low-hanging fruit that had it coming. We thought jews were just funny sitcom people, and Israelis were the good guys. Oh to be young and dumb again.

>>507926585
6000 troops is not a serious invasion kike shill

>>507896833 (OP)
You know how you see boomers on twitter today saying Iran has nukes and tried to kill Trump? Same thing. Absolute mouthbreathers who will slurp any bit of regime propaganda. We had them back then too. Lots more than we have now.

>>507896833 (OP)
You forget that boomers didn't have the internet. Literally every piece of information they got was from Jew controlled media so of course their "independent" conclusion was that we need to bomb Muslims.

Now that there is a billion mobile phones recording the crimes of the Jew, the world is rapidly (((noticing))) that the Jew is at the centre of every conflict either by causing it or by throwing themselves into the fire to force America to come save them.

Hopefully when all the boomers are gone, we can finally deal with the question of the Jew

>>507896833 (OP)
No, I didn't believe it. But I also didn't care. That region is in a constant state of fuckery, and the globe would be a better place if it was a parking lot.

For the Iraq/Afg thing, I really thought the idea was to pin Iran, which has always been the main problem.
I have since learned that America is only good at total war. Every war that is managed by lawyers ends up being retarded.

>>507926851
That was funny
Cruz
>They hired assasins to kill Trump
Tucker
>how do you know that
Cruz
>everyone in congress knows that just ask anyone

46yo American on holiday in Kenya right now

basically 9/11 was a game changer. there was a level of national unity that would be unheard of today, Bush has a 90% approval rating. Cheney used that to whip up as many fake and gay wars as he could. the public was engulfed in patriotic bloodlust and supported total Muslim death.

>>507896833 (OP)
No, retards were just racist and were easily tricked, racism can be a good thing in your own neighborhood but traveling thousands of miles to kill some brown people that didn't do shit to you is absolutely retarded.

>>507927289
At the same time Bush was founding and arming ISIS to take out Syria

>>507897599
>I never read it, it is just pop poli-sci bullshit.
I read it. And yep, your comment sums it up. To summarize, imagine someone getting high on their own farts. Now, put that in writing. Also GenX myself. Let's see how many of these young turdlings fall for this crap. Or better yet, let's not be our boomer parents, and make sure these kids have a future. I'm down for that.

>>507896833 (OP)
>Also, Why did America and her allies jump so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq?
Because we thought we had won. The Taliban instantly melted away. The problem was we had a policy of total Taliban death. That should tell you something about the mentality. Just insane levels of delusion and self righteousness.
>To what extent were the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan influenced by "The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama
It contributed to the hubris I think. "Clash of Civilisations" would have been more influential in the discourse. But ultimately that didn't matter. Neither did the oil. We just did it because Jews wanted us to.

>>507927652
They also used the same arguement as they are now using in Ukraine.
>Its full of rare earths, the war will pay for itself!

This whips up the green agenda faggots. To this day not one ounce of lithium has ever been mined in Afganistan.

The only rare earth ever found in ukraine was scandium. One fucking mine. It went dry in the 70s.

The real question is, when will the amerimutts get sick of the zog sending them to their deaths to fight their holy war against the snack bars

We're only one or two elections away from being able to ignore all the boomers who want to suck the Jews off non stop

>>507907607
kino 2004 election meme

>>507905261
You may have impregnated her with a baby that's a reincarnation of a 9/11 victim anon

bum

>>507908930
This, the 5th plane is important because it tells you how the other planes were hijacked... and how the 9/13 terrorist attacks were supposed to be carried out (same as 9/11).

>>507904069
>He had Dr David Kelly whacked and we all knew
WOAH... I didn't know England was this based. I always assumed the anglos there accepted the lies like they did here.

What was it about his death that raised red flags for most people in England?

>>507896833 (OP)
I forget who went in front of congress at the time. The black guy i think colin powell. But he went under threat of perjury that there was evidence of wmd in iraq. Now, 3 years after the fact, they found nothing. I guess that is why congress threatening people really doesnt do much.

>>507931984

Dr Kelly was the UK's top wmd expert and had said that the '45 minute' claims about Saddam's nuclear/chemical capability were bullshit. Shortly after this he was found suicided in his car and we went anyway. It was genuinely shocking at the time and the final straw for anyone with a brain.

>>507896833 (OP)
2002? You can tell that Net And Yahoo drinks blood.