We're so fucking back.

>>508018788 (OP)
based. it's actually a lie about asbestos. the people it made sick were the ones manufacturing it and breathing it in all day long. now that we know that it's easy to manage.

>>508018969
it's probably fine for some situations but I wouldn't want it in my attack, anyways I bet it's as harmful as microplastics that we a swarmed with all day.

>>508018788 (OP)
>cancer causing
False. The only type of ban that is being reversed is the wide ban on Chrysotile which is used for industrial purposes and as brake pad material. Biden banned it before the EPA concluded its study on exactly how carcinogenic those uses are, and it has been fine to use for decades without issue.

Trump unbanned it and the EPA will conclude its study before we either allow it or ban it for good. The problem is "trust the science" only applies to forcing people to take the covid shot.

>>508018969
>>508019220
This, being slowly poisoned all day long for the starting at birth is no comparison to playing in a pile of the stuff. It should be legal again. MAGA!!!!!

>>508019220
having asbestos materials in your house is absolutely safe you retard

>>508019342
>brake pad material
Smart, we should allow its use in brake pads. Just because huge swathes of brake dust encompass the cities and drift outward is no reason to ban it!!!! Breathe in the FREEDOM!!!! MAGA!!!!!

>>508018788 (OP)
amerimutts making sure they die one way or another, either by staying home or dying for kikes

>>508018788 (OP)
As my employer told me, "It's perfectly safe."

>>508019646
They’re quivering from happiness

>>508018969
your body can't deal with asbestos fibres and they cause inflammation which eventually make you sick

>>508019504
It is. We have asbestos tile roofs all over Latvia. These asbestos containing building materials are fine unless you cut or drill into them etc. At which point, well, everyone dies of something.

>>508019398
>>508019220
>>508018969
With you 100% my brothers in MAGA. I got 2 darker skinned guys installing asbestos tiles in my ceiling this very moment who dont speak a lick of English, and my daughter is taking to them quite nicely - fingers crossed! MAGAWOO

>>508019889
jewish pussy

>>508019926
white man

>>508019646
It's been used for decades. It's likely your brake pads are already made with asbestos. It was not banned until March 2024 nor was it a blanket ban.

What is wrong with allowing the EPA to continue its study to see if it can be used?

FUCK YEAH
LETS LEGALIZE MORE CANCER CAUSING MATERIALS
SO I CAN GET CANCER AND BE UNABLE TO AFFORD MY TREATMENT
AND GET SADDLED WITH MOUNTAINS OF DEBT
LIBS ARE SEETHING
USA USA
USA USA

>>508018788 (OP)
I still have lead paint in my house and I'll never remove it, my WiFi is sketchy with dead spots so I know it's working as intended.

This can't be true.

>>508020080
typically these kinds of regulations exist because a friend/family member of the Democrat on the committee has an alternative they want to sell. Legislation is then passed and the alternative producer has a quick multi-million dollar business and their friends in Congress get a cut.

>>508020284
It's not. The type of asbestos unbanned is not cancer causing and is used worldwide. The rest of the cancer causing asbestos is still banned. See my posts, I explain what happened.

>>508020047
Kill yourself faggot for making me read this jewish shit.

>>508018788 (OP)
Man asbestos siding is literally the best you can get. I don't have it but all the old houses around me that have it, their siding looks as fresh as the day it was hung.

>>508020284
It is, but it'll get kneecapped by the local state legislation. Just more gutting of federal regulation work being passed onto the local level.

>>508020403
Oh definitely. There is no reason to cancel a study on the last type of asbestos and then ban it outright when it has been used without issue for decades.

>>508018788 (OP)
i make the best deals
i make deals that make money

>>508020484
answer the question of "how much asbestos dust do I need to breathe in to cause health issues" and the entire thing comes into view. preview: it's not a little bit.

>>508019220
>I wouldn't want it in my attack
i dont want you in my country
ESLass nigger

>>508020665
That's essentially what the EPA was trying to look at for the usage of asbestos in brake pads and industrial purposes before Biden banned it. The exact question you posed.

>>508020451
Antisemitism? That's not very MAGA of you at all. Too bad Trump is your president and that you missed and lost, racist!

>>508018788 (OP)
Chrysotile really isn't that bad. Your body can slowly clear it and mesothelioma is pretty rare even in high-exposure populations.
>t. read a shitload of cohort studies
Amphibole is the scary shit. I suspect that have it in my wall plaster because it has vermiculite, most likely from Libby and therefore contaminated with amphiboles. It's hard to find any info on vermiculite plaster which is weird considering how many people tear down interior walls you'd think it would be a pretty common exposure source.

Asbestos is a good material.
It's much harder to justify all the free passes we give grandfathered buildings on their flaking lead paint.

>>508019220
wait. fucking wait. are you shitting me? asbestos wrapped bullets?!

>>508018788 (OP)
NOOOO YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM DYING IN FIRES

Damn, this thread is botted to shit.
Asbestos gives you cancer. Scientifically proven. Simple as. Ignore the shills saying it's fine before they give you mesothelioma.

>>508018788 (OP)
Great!
When is leaded gasoline making a comeback?

>>508021354
>Asbestos gives you cancer. Scientifically proven.
Hey dumbass, the type of asbestos that has been unbanned has NOT been proven that yet by the EPA and Biden cancelled that study and banned it before it was completed. The type that has been unbanned is used in brake pads and industrial purposes. It was banned in 2024. It is likely you have asbestos brake pads right now.

>>508018788 (OP)
kek is he gonna introduce lead back into paint again? child miners? shit might as well make smallpox unextinct

They banned DCM and sodium nitrite too. It really sucks to be a home lab connoisseur these days.

>>508018788 (OP)
Bros, as an engineer, I can tell you that asbestos is great engineering material. So is R-22, desu. And lead in gas is great. And peanuts are a near perfect snack for kids, but they can't have them in school anymore.

i blame the jews.

>>508021564
No idiot, read the thread. My posts outline what exactly got unbanned.

>>508021141
If I want to have an asbestos-insulated restaurant, with a mandatory smoking section, coated in lead paint and serve my dishes exclusively on radioactive Fiestaware it is my God given right ,as an American, and the right of any free men to choose to eat there or not.

>>508021559
Hey retard, from the asbestos boys themselves.
https://www.theasbestosinstitute.com/2022/06/is-asbestos-still-used-in-brake-pads/
TL;DR?
No. They haven't used asbestos in brake pads a since the 90s. Keep lying to people though. Fun death cult you fags foster.

You only get asbestosis if you demolish multiple asbesto-homes without resipirators, month after month, year after year

>>508021564
>is he gonna introduce lead back into paint again
No because that would block out emf / radio frequencies they use to beam us with

>>508018788 (OP)
Abestos is based.

>>508020796
it's already known, in general. they wanted to study this exact, specific material, surely for reasons of facilitating some kind of corruption.

the people who got sick from asbestos worked at indoor factories where the asbestos fiber dust was swirling around everywhere for their entire shift, day after day. it was never dangerous to people using the products or even installing them (unless they were huffing that shit for fun after cutting it up). it was always about manufacturing being dangerous. once it was discovered there were all kinds of solutions (dampen it!).

>>508018788 (OP)
Damn...
Has Trump been in responsibility in 2001, the Greatest WTC Asbestos Rid Program wouldn't have to have happen at all in NYC...

>>508021773
Thats for brake pads produced in the US

https://www.freedoniagroup.com/blog/asbestos-in-brake-pads-what-the-average-consumer-might-not-realize

>>508018788 (OP)
Asbestbros, we won.

>>508019342
So do you trust the science or not faggot? If you trust Trump's science, what the fuck is wrong with the COVID vaccine? If you don't trust it, why the fuck are you talking?

>>508021945
whatever problems came from the dust of the WTC weren't from asbestos

>>508018788 (OP)
Asbestos is perfectly fine when it is used correctly. In it's friable form (sprayed as insulation, made into brake pads that turn to particulates) it is dangerous.

The reason is because the substance resembles glass shards that have barbs, so when these particles are inhaled, they become lodged in the lung tissue and each breath wiggles them, preventing healing. So you eventually drown in your own fluids.

When asbestos is mixed with other substances that fixes it, it's an excellent insulator. Like lead, just don't make pipes or eating implements out of it for fuck sake.

>>508021773
lmfao deleted because your own shitty article states that imported brake pad components (ie, shit everyone uses) contain asbestos.
You aren't getting rid of anything, faggot

>>508021956
So a limit on max asbestos means its okay to mass return to asbestos usage?

>>508022154
And you're still wrong. What's your point?

>>508020047
based

>>508022159
>mass return
So now you're shifting goalposts after your pitiful display. Please go fuck yourself, my final response to you.

>>508021157
>>508021157
>asbestos wrapped bullets?!
Take it a notch further up Amerifren:
>Asbestos rigged skyscrapers...
That's most likely what he meant by "in his Att-ACK..."

"Smoking is actually based guys it doesn't hurt you at all. Hating smoking is actually woke as fuck and libtards want you to quit smoking to spend more money on buying Onions KEK"

>>508018788 (OP)
>let's ban rna vaccines, weird food additives and toxic plastics from cooking pans
>let's unban a confirmed carcinogen
????

>>508022044
I'm not the ones saying "trust the science." I don't have to do shit. The people shouting "trust the science" are the ones who also ignored the EPA studying if it should be banned or not.

>>508020047
Lmfao

>>508021846
yes but you can get cancer from a single fiber because the fibers get stuck inside your lung for practically life
>asbestosis
this is actually rare (because of abestos being banned!)its much more common to see silicosis and dont forget COPD that is caused by air pollution and you can see more cases in country's with shit regulations you want us to become a third world-country too?

>>508022292
Ah, no argument. Good one. Thanks for proving me right. Take it easy fag. Thanks for admitting you were wrong. I hope your asbestos kills you and your family, gay ass tranny.

>>508018969
Asbestos is good YEP

>>508018788 (OP)
bootyfool!

How does asbestos compare to kaowool?

>>508020047
kek, these bots are getting advanced.

>>508022434
Prolly fake science, or overdone with certain applications. Places where there would never be stray threads would be fine.

>>508019672
Might be one of the more insightfull post ITT lol..
Totally underrated !
WD-40 Leafren !

>>508022469
You can drown in a single snowflake too! Not enforcing good silicosis protection makes asbestos scare fags just hypocrites. COPD wont be problem cause all fags turn to electric and petrol. Only few selected heterosexuals and of course logistic true workers use diesel.

>>508018788 (OP)
How filthy white golems spin this as an actual MAGA win to inhale asbesto fibers

>>508022063
>whatever problems came from the dust of the WTC weren't from asbestos
I would tend to agree with you but only to a certain extent, and if you allow me to introduce you to this link from the Mesothelioma Center
>https://www.asbestos.com/world-trade-center/
You could read quite a few interesting takes about the various WTC health related troubles from different origins...
But, yeah, Asbestos is just one of many reasons, as it is more about a conjonction of factors...

Safety guy here
Asbestos is a very interesting topic.
While for the final consumer it's indeed only dangerous if whatever casing, cover, paint or sheet the asbestos is covered in, when released it can not only affect the final consumer but anyone cleaning it.
Also there is the strong argument that those who extract the mineral, refine and produce the asbestos products will be highly exposed to it.
Just "unbanning" with without major reforms in the safety regulations for the mineral extraction, processing, manufacturing and home building will just turn everything back as what it was and cancer will spike.
There is also the other valid argument that some asbestos alternatives like fiber glass and similar can also produce cancer in the same way and at similar rates as asbestos because of their physical properties and how easily the sharp particles can permanently stick into the lungs. Still, their production is somewhat "easier" to control than what it was with asbestos.
Asbestos is still used in heavy industries, or this is for more bestos in industry? its so then it's fine, so I don't see why would they want to bring asbestos back for consumer products when there is no really any need because we have alternatives now that some don't have any risk.
Given the burger track record and their cardboard tier housing, I dare to say that they won't be deal with a new wave of asbestos in their homes. But hey, whatever kills the goyim faster is good ln (((their))) book.

Who was the guy that had the asbestos cape and showed off how cool and fireproof it was by throwing it on bonfires? Was it Alexander?

I want one.

Asbestos isn’t really relevant anymore, the neat thing about asbestos is that it’s a natural mineral fiber, but we can now produce rock wool with similar properties synthetically, the impedance to use the natural simply isn’t there

>>508022383
yeah bro we've known that for years

>>508023658
>from the Mesothelioma Center
deeply unbiased source

>>508019889
The body can’t deal with any fine mineral dust, asbestos isn’t unique in that regard

>>508018788 (OP)
Asbestos is safe if you leave it the fuck alone.

>>508018788 (OP)
Health regulations are Socialist™

>>508024313
it's generally safe even if you don't

>>508024395
You will die of an easily preventable health issue and you will be happy.

>>508018788 (OP)
Repeal environmental laws
Shut down the EPA
Lock the doors
Bulldoze the building
Mine coal
Drill for oil
Build nuclear power
America is Great

>>508024313
>>508024395
>>508024395
>>508024490
I pray you all die horribly from asbestos

>>508019654
The fact that were unbanning asbestos and making no attempt to ban things like glyphosate and PFAS causes me great concern. We might truly be cooked.

>>508024587
Smoking is legal.

>>508020403
So why did Norway ban ages ago?
Most dangerous materials are not banned, there are just mandatory safety regulations, and the same could be done with asbestos, but lets not pretend that it's not dangerous to breath in asbestos fibers.

>>508018969
This. There’s no real proof it caused cancer anyways. Just another attack on American industry by the EPA

We should also un-ban chlorofluorocarbons and polychlorinated biphenyls and DDT.

>>508024833
I can avoid it. I can't avoid asbestos if they shove it everywhere where it can easily be breathed in.

>>508019926
Belgium as well. It's asbestos paradise. Everyone and their mom was installing cheap asbestos roofing & corrugated sheets up to the mid 90's.
My garage roof is asbestos, my garden house roof is asbestos, my house roofing is asbestos.
They actually detect asbestos particles in the air decreasing since the ban 30+ years ago, but still all over the place.

It's actually illegal for solar panel installer or any roofing jobs in general, to work on a roof with asbestos. But nobody gives a fuck, I installed solar panels a few years ago and they didn't give a fuck, even fixed a broken panel for me.

>>508018788 (OP)
the fact you still have asbestos legal is fucking vile, we banned that shit ages ago

>>508021174
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM DYING IN FIRES
Hardly anybody dies in fires in Norway, and asbestos has been banned for half a century.

>>508024908
>it's not dangerous to breath in asbestos fibers.
it's also dangerous to drink water, in sufficient quantity.

the reason asbestos products were banned wasn't because they were dangerous to consumers it is because they were dangerous to MANUFACTURERS. Think about the factory producing these things in 1950.

Once the problem was understood simple solutions were identified. It's not even dangerous to manufacture with asbestos now. As such there is no reason to ban the products.

notice all the eurofags who just showed up out of the blue to repeat their programming?

>>508018788 (OP)
NOW PUT THE LEAD BACK IN GASOLINE

It's natural selection.
The idiot who toots the fireproof dust doesn't grow up to spawn further idiots.

>>508024925
>There’s no real proof it caused cancer anyways.
Car mechanics and plumbers.
Scandinavia have universal health care where everything including your job is recorded, just so you can get statistical proof on what is dangerous.

>>508018788 (OP)
MAGA!

>>508018969
> based. it's actually a lie about asbestos
Our bodies can break it down?

>>508025418
THIS.

>>508025097
>My garage roof is asbestos, my garden house roof is asbestos, my house roofing is asbestos.
And that is fine, unless your job is to remove it without a respirator.

>>508025262
if you like cancer that much you can enjoy as much as you want for all that i care though its a demonstration of amerimutts retardness

>>508024221
Well, the Center might have a relatively objective team I would say, but yeah, looking through their "Trusted Partners" yeah it might be quite influencial indeed...
But if you have more info regarding their bias I would gladly read more about it please

Ps: I sensed some sarcasm so I just double checked their site just here:
>https://www.asbestos.com/about/
But may be I was wrong and you were just acknowledging their objectivity though
>Doubt.jpg

>>508025262
>programming
You deserve to die when asbestos gets unbanned. Genuinely hope it kills you painfully and slowly.

>>508020451
Yet you read jewish shit coming out of Trump's mouth all day every day.

>>508025188
>it is because they were dangerous to MANUFACTURERS.
Plumbers and car mechanics are MANUFACTURERS?

>>508025702
MESOTHILIOMA

>>508018969
Kill yourself

>>508019504
Nononononon

>>508025418
lead is not necessary in gas any longer. it was a solution to an old problem.

>>508021354
only if you breathe in the dust
they sell masks at Home Depot
only illegal immigrants are dumb enough to work on that shit without a mask

>>508025590
>Our bodies can break it down?
No. It stays in your lungs forever, as the fibers works as reinforcement clumping cells together. Removing dead cells is this hindered and the body create scar tissue around it Some scar tissue don't matter, but a lot kills you.

>>508018788 (OP)
>screenshot of a reddit post about a link

>>508019342
>False. The only type of ban that is being reversed is the wide ban on Chrysotile which is used for industrial purposes and as brake pad material. Biden banned it before the EPA concluded its study on exactly how carcinogenic those uses are, and it has been fine to use for decades without issue.
>Trump unbanned it and the EPA will conclude its study before we either allow it or ban it for good. The problem is "trust the science" only applies to forcing people to take the covid shot.
STOP WITH YOUR FACTS AND REASONABLENESS.

>>508025418
btw the guy that invented leaded gasoline invented a shit ton of other harmful chemicals as well, basically he was the Genghis khan of environmental damage

>>508026007
Regular gas is cheaper.

>>508026074
>>508026220
Nice larps, boys. No one's buying it though. Keep trying. Maybe one day someone will believe you.

>>508020080
>What is wrong with allowing the EPA to continue its study to see if it can be used?
ORANGE MAN BAD!

more like asBASEDos amirite

>>508025693
fully twenty years ago I worked with a large law firm that handled cases for this topic. in the process I learned quite a bit about the science and money around it all.

the industrial products that "cause cancer" around the 1970's/1980's are invariably made by highly profitable industries that were ripe for legal claims that would pay out. these products were demonized for profit and control.

the health risks associated with them are extremely manageable and typically far overstated. you can prevent disease if you know what causes it. prior to knowing the cause, there was no effort taken for prevention.

>>508025702
people like this believe these are magic toxic gases that float around and you have to dodge like some kind of video game. the historical name for this variety of hypochondriac fear of the air is "miasma"

>>508019504
What about when a natural disaster drops a tree through your house?

>>508018788 (OP)
>inhaling asbestos to own da libz
americans deserve to die for israel

>>508025838
>be plumber
>be mechanic
>breathe a wide variety of toxic substances all day
>a few of us get sick from one of them
>who knew
should we mitigate the problem for them and improve safety in their work environments or should we massively ban, sue everyone possible for lawyer profits, and frighten the public with a medieval-tier fear of the vapours in the air?

>>508026074
>they sell masks at Home Depot
You need a respirator.
One could ban it in practice by making mandatory safety restrictions on handling it, so one can use it in the few areas where it still pays to go through all the safety precautions.

>>508018969
>>508018788 (OP)
Put it to the USA test....................
is asbestos used in Israel?

And... it is banned in Israel:
https://www.jpost.com/enviro-tech/use-of-asbestos-in-any-form-to-be-prohibited-in-israel

BUT IT'S "SAFE" ENOUGH FOR THE USA
lololololololololol
lololololololololol
lololololololololol

>>508026415
Good bait. Anything else?

>>508026300
not really. it was only cheaper back in the day because of different manufacturing requirements. even still the difference in price was less than weekly swings we now experience nevermind variations in tax.

>>508018788 (OP)
im getting real tired of all this winning

>>508026448
once the tree has established itself "in the house" it is not dangerous

>>508018788 (OP)
Asbestos is based desu

>>508026554
Did every single mechanic or plumber come down with these conditions after working with asbestos?

>>508018788 (OP)
what was this even used for?

>>508026613
The US might actually be a third world country.

>>508021089
If it’s a common exposure and people in that industry aren’t dropping left and right then that basically tells you all you need to know.

>>508026415
>prior to knowing the cause, there was no effort taken for prevention.
My uncle is an 85 year old plumber, and when the older guys "banned" the journeymen from using it because they knew it was dangerous 70 years ago, so he never worked with it.

>>508026620
tobacco isn't particularly bad for you. most of the issues with tobacco relate to chemical additives and you can just smoke cigs that don't have those. it was demonized in large part because nicotine was identified as a nootropic substance.

>>508026543
it's not about helping the plumbers and mechanics
it's about helping the owners of the companies which own the companies that own the companies who make the parts used by plumbers and mechanics, and the comapnies which employ the plumbers and mechanics

plumbers and mechanics are replaceable, sir

>>508021354
According to the state of California literally everything gives you cancer

>>508018788 (OP)
been waiting my whole life for asbestos to be unbanned. thank the Lord our savior trump was elected.

>>508026849
stop being smart! it's almost as if studying who specifically got sick and what made them susceptible might provide a key piece of information. Not that Eurofag beauracrats are interested.

>>508026838
America is a third world country, I hate this place so much.

>>508018969
I am not opposed to MIGAtards being able to breathe asbestos here and there, just keep it to your Moloch death cult, ok?

>>508026858
That's right! This is why the legal cases happened and why so much 'mesothelioma' stuff is known to the public generating the fear. Manufacturers KNEW it was unhealthy and this practice made them legallly liable a few decades later when the mood changed around workplace safety. They were targeted because they had the cash to pay out fat settlements. The same was done with dry cleaning, tobacco, and a few other industries.

Turns out, of course, that once you know asbestos is dangerous you can just change how it's mixed into the product and that risk disapperas.

>>508026448
The house owner can remove Asbestos in Norway, so it's not super dangerous, but the professionals need costly safety equipment to do it, because repeated exposure is dangerous.

>>508026983
Whatever France's problems are, be happy you don't live in america, no European population is half as retarded as amerimutts.

how do you ever parody MAGAtards?

>>508026972
America is, by definition, First World. Shame the people who programmed you didn't teach you that.

uhhh, yeah but then you need to track where it's used, what kind of condition it's in, do air samples, etc. Asbestos should only be used in very specialized places. There's no reason to make cigarette filters out of asbestos, etc.

>>508018788 (OP)
Degenerates can't tell Amphibole from Chrysotile.

>>508018969
>Asbestos PACKED
>Lead pipes INSTALLED
>Lead paint COATED
>Vaccines NOPE
>Toxic chemicals in my drinking water GIVE ME THAT
When did being a conservative mean hating the planet and being a retard? Imagine killing yourself and your kids just to "own" liberals.

>>508027129
>because repeated exposure is dangerous
no, it's because repeated exposure to LAWSUITS is dangerous to your bank account. the homeowner can't sue himself so no one bothers to pretend it matters.

>>508027134
Our leaders and media bow to yours, so whatever new madness you vomit, we will eat it with a 20 years delay (at best).
(Although we could teach you the best ways to break the 2A for Israel).

>>508027237
Ivan these are westoids we are talking about. they were not educated to think.

>>508027292
the shills are SUPER ON TOP OF THIS THREAD.

>>508027292
>>Vaccines NOPE
Take this one out, dingus. Vaccines are a great way to pass toxic chemicals and lab RNA straight in your bloodstream. More efficient than cigarettes.

>>508026543
>and improve safety in their work environments
Plumbers don't need asbestos, as there are so many far less dangerous isolation material available.
Dust from break pads can really be remedied without working with a respirator all day.
Europe has managed without for half a century, so it's not really needed there either.
Space exploration and such might have a real use for it, but we don't really need it for everyday life.

>>508026879
Well, yeah. Tobacco itself is "fine". It's just about distribution. Zyn packets are basically the harmless versions of what cigs give.
>>508026905
If Israel doesn't allow asbestos, and people want us to have it, kinda makes you wonder. You can evade the issue all you want.
>>508026972
I learned a trade and am 2 months away from journeyman lineman status, specifically because of the death spiral this country has been in for the last 5 years, and because it'd qualify as "highly skilled". Plus I got that six figgy safety net to fucking run. I'm getting the FUCK out as soon as that hits. Good luck to you, man. Hopefully you can find an out.
>>508027135
They're so retarded, they're officially beyond parody. It's like those cults who drink the kool aid at the very end, except its the entire country this time. The US WILL die. Pretty soon by the looks of it. Be grateful you get to witness it.

>>508027211
>duuuuuuuuh akshually muttmerica is first world because it wuz in nato in da cold war!!!!!!
yes yes, I know where the term comes from just as you know that colloquially, first world means non-shithole and third world means shithole, I bet the entire 11th grade clapped when you hit them with that piece of trivia

>>508018788 (OP)
Kek another load of slop for the glorious and free muttmerica

>>508026815
>Did every single mechanic or plumber come down with these conditions after working with asbestos?
Probably not, but Asbestos was dangerous enough so they could see it in statistics before modern computers.
Far worse than smoking.

>>508027535
>I learned a trade and am 2 months away from journeyman lineman status, specifically because of the death spiral this country has been in for the last 5 years, and because it'd qualify as "highly skilled". Plus I got that six figgy safety net to fucking run. I'm getting the FUCK out as soon as that hits. Good luck to you, man. Hopefully you can find an out.
I'm happy for you, anon. More and more americans are figuring out just how shitty life in the US is compared to other countries, I imagine we'll see quite the brain drain as the few things making this place livable continue to disappear.

>>508018788 (OP)
Let's just say asbestos did not take my foreskin, but whatever did should have been banned a long time ago.
Asbestos never harmed anybody.

>>508027527
Asbestos has myriad excellent use cases for which it is far superior to alternatives. The PRIMARY REASON for the strong bans and excessive propaganda to support those bans is to shore up business for the alternatives. There are entire hierarchies of industry profitting from these alternatives and they are always largely owned by or paying politicians who put those laws in place. This is a classic corruption avenue that has existed for a century.

Further, many of the "safe" alternatives invariably turn out to be just as bad for health 20 years down the road. The answer to learning that these things aren't actually dangerous enough to warrant the ban isn't to be like "oh well we don't need it anyway." Figure out why something that didn't need to be banned and demonized was banned and demonized, or forever remain a slave.

>still using my asbestos oven mitts
Sweet. The stuff is great.

>>508027569
if you knew that you wouldn't say stupid shit which demonstrates your lack of knowledge of that. I am glad to hear that you have learned now.

>>508018969
Based and asbetos pilled
So many seething replies to your post. They dont want to accept the truth

>>508026143
It was a rhetorical question

Why not just immerse absteoss in some other material so the fibres can't be breathed in like how we do for carbon fibre?

>>508027724
>so they could see it in statistics before modern computers
that's not actually impressive.

again, once asbestos was acknowledged as dangerous ever could be taken to make it LESS DANGEROUS. you don't do that until you know that it is dangerous. in this particular case the industry knew it was dangerous and DID NOT TAKE THOSE STEPS, which is what gave them legal liability for issues that resulted (that and not warning users, although that part was dubious because they often did).

Again, the precise same pattern played out in multiple industries over the same time period. It was an operation. It was not in the interest of public safety it was using public FEAR (see: miasma) to drive policy/profits/power for someone.

>>508026415
Ah yeah ok, I better understand your take !
Thanks !

And yeah, the associated risk for asbestos are mainly as some anons already said earlier ITT
Same can be said for insulation asbestos material, it was the best material to protect from fire at the time, still is very performant, but when it degrade and become powdery, it is also becoming a health threat...

But as you said
>industries that were ripe
Combined with greed law firms smelling tiny drops of blood and feasting on the wound only to enlarge it as in
>demonized for profit and control.
Can only cause mayhem without regards for any health prevention techniques/practices/warning that came really later.

And as for
>health risks associated with them are extremely manageable

One of the most raging story about this type of thing I've red about in the last years was about the famous American "Red Jerrycan" company that manufactured the *green metallic" ones during WWII, that had a huge lot of lawsuits becasue people were stupid enough to not respect basic safety measure such as:
-Not pouring gasoline over a slowly mouting fire in a barbecue
-Not pouring gasoline into a lsowly mounting fire in a garden-bush-wild herbs fire
-etc
That ultimately led to serious injuries or even somethimes death because people would use their red jerrycan and just pour some fuel into a slow/little fire to "boost" it, and then kaboom/burning
Lawsuits were about the "safety of the Jerrrycans", they had to redesign them many time, lawsuits after lawsuits, for which they were found guilty "of course" and ultimately, they had to close the company from what I remember...
I was saddened to read such thing because having grown with these around me, it's like if a "little member" went away thanks to the utter stupidity of others, or worse, lack of self awareness/preservation...
But thanks for your answer nonetheless !!!
Cheers !

>>508027915
you have a positive view of the united states so you're more retarded than the lowest nigger animal and deserve to die a jewish slave

>>508024235
>The body can’t deal with any fine mineral dust, asbestos isn’t unique in that regard
yes it is
fiberglass isn't a fine mineral dust
your body can deal with dirt and sand etc, it can't deal with larger shards of things it's never seen before in history
face it - insulation is fucking terrible for you and the environment

>>508019926
>>508025097
Asbestos bros stand up

>>508027495
I don't know why you think being against climate change means that you need to destroy the planet with pollution. Show me your hands saar you have to be Indian. They are the only people who WANT to live in a toxic waste dump covered in shit and garbage.

>>508027998
I'm dunking on an entire EU-funded shill farm while laying in bed and making zero effort. As I explained in a post above I worked very close to this problem for about a year and a half and learned all of the ins and outs. There is no way they can even sniff my knowledge of the subject.

>>508018788 (OP)
if the people itt were in the time back when asbestos manufacturing started to take off then they would ABSOLUTELY be against this shit, because it was a dangerous material that (((corporations))) used to cut costs without considering public health
but because it's old anons like it

>>508027128
Plumbers in Norway never got any money,
You burgers think everywhere works like the USA.
I don't think car mechanics got any either.

That said, the production line at the local parquet manufacturer all died before retirement, because nobody knew that dust from oak and tropical induced lung cancer in ways dust from pine and fir did not, and they blamed it on smoking so the factory did not have to pay compensation.
The firm survived and still make parquet but in a dust free environment.

>>508028045
this isn't about solutions, anon. it's about tapping into the hypochondriac europeans who have a historical fear of the vapours in the air which can be exploited to control them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma

>>508027321
>no, it's because repeated exposure to LAWSUITS is dangerous to your bank account.
That is not the case outside the USA, brainlet.

>>508028117
>you have a positive view of the united states
I am literally in the process of packing up my things and moving to another country

>>508028165
hole detected. and it's not in the ozone layer.

>>508018788 (OP)

you can't make this shite up. i'm convinced drumpf has some terminal illness and not much longer to live. he's an infantile, petty, and nasty little cunt. he probably does all this rubbish just to spite his "enemies".

the average male life expectancy in muttland is 75. drumpf just turned 79. he's grotesquely obese and looks terrible. that faggot's overdue.

>>508028643
Holy kekek

>>508018788 (OP)
that shit is banned even here in mexico

>>508027879
>Asbestos has myriad excellent use cases for which it is far superior to alternatives
But pipe insulation and break pads is not one of them.

i love the boomber rationale, vacciness = bad, asbestos = good

>>508028351
>they blamed it on smoking
may I suggest you examine other things for which smoking was a very convenient excuse.

I'm not surprised to hear that the plumbers in Norway never got any money. The lawyers for their union did! In America at least we let their families get a payout if they died.

>>508028643
>destroy the earth because I don't like the "climate change" narrative
Yas saar I agree saar! I love trash rivers saar! poop in the street like a cow saar! Plumbing is Jewish saar!!

>>508028826
ok, now explain how you came to believe that vaccines = good and asbestos = bad.

>>508028097
>It was an operation. It was not in the interest of public safety it was using public FEAR
Plumbers in Norway knew it was dangerous 70 years ago, and it took another generation for it to be banned. That is not exactly hysteria.

>>508018788 (OP)
>>508018969
You people are so fucking stupid dude. Asbestos will fuck you up and the damage is literally permanent.
It is a great material when undisturbed, but when it starts being broken apart that is when the fibers get inhaled and then start fucking people up.

>>508029015
banning it is moral panic. it may have made sense fifty years ago. things have changed dramatically since then. Notice that I am not telling Norwegians how to run their shit, yet you are here telling us we cannot run ours how we want. If we recognize that the bans on these products are legal catastrophes and want to remove them in order to clean up our regulatory environment then we are free to do so without asking the opinion of Europeans who are sad about their plumber grandpa who died around natural life expectancy.

>>508018969
The shilling by retards has gone too far. Asbestos is a useful material, but without proper maintenance you DO end up breathing it in all day long. It cannot be used in infrastructure and housing as is or even mixed with anything that becomes brittle with time.. You can absolutely use it as insulation by wrapping it in layers of other long term materials, stabilisers and foams, but even that needs to carry clear labeling and be ready to maintain. It's only worth the effort in particularly cold areas or sensitive industrial settings. It's probably for Greenland

>>508029093
>blah blah blah FUD about asbestos blah blah blah

>>508029009
you dont need to be a genious to know that asbestos are bad

>>508029211
> but without proper maintenance you DO end up breathing it in all day long.
according to whom?

>>508019646
What's funny about that pic is that it's trying to be allegorical, when it's literal

>>508029243
Apparently, in the US, you do have to be a genius to know that.

>>508029093
Occasional inhalation has almost no effect. It requires regular inhalation over a long period of time. People that work with it a lot simply need to wear a respirator.

>>508029230
>It isn't dangerous! The asbestos corporation told me so!

>JOE.. Joe listen, asbestos is a wonderful thing, it really is, made us millions, it's true.. And recent studies found out, it's actually not the dangerous, like at all actually, annnd... now that we, you know, live in a modern society and have higher standards.. And look look look, joe, I spoke to the head of one of the largest asbestos companies, great guy, he told me it would bring us, hundreds, of thousands of jobs back.. we can't just restrict these businesses joe

>>508029431
All inhalation does damage, it's just that it takes a lot to actually kill you.
Also there isn't a reasonable way to make everyone dealing with it wear a respirator. Every tradesmen, construction, and demolition crew is going to be masked up? Yeah right. The entire point of this move from Trump is cutting regulations they obviously aren't going to require employers to provide respirators.

What's next, dumping more PFAS into the rivers because occasional ingestion has almost no effect? We need to destroy public health and the ecosystems to truly MAGA!

>>508028834
>may I suggest you examine other things for which smoking was a very convenient excuse.
I can't be bothered, but I suspect it was common in various industries where one use respirators today.
>I'm not surprised to hear that the plumbers in Norway never got any money.
The owner of the firm was also a plumber and probably also died, and tradies change employers all the time.

This thread is the confirmation MAGATURDS are retarded niggers. Holy shit.

>>508018788 (OP)
We're already getting Chinese clothes in stores made with graphene (new asbestos) as an upsale. Might as well allow old asbestos since people love it so much.

MORE ASBESTOS!
MORE ASBESTOS!
it's good and healthy for you.

>>508018969
Except for the fact that they put it in brake pads and fucking GETS EVERY FUCKING WHERE!!
God damn trumpers really are fucking retarded and delusional jewish cock holsters.

>>508029211
Insulation doesn't last forever. Someone has to clean that shit up.

>>508018969
>based. it's actually a lie about asbestos. the people it made sick were the ones manufacturing it and breathing it in all day long. now that we know that it's easy to manage.
Lol

>>508029942
They'll say you're just jelly. I don't think the world can fix its problems until we do slaughter each other tbqhfmlm. I wish we would fucking get on with it while we have the data.

>>508018788 (OP)
This is like some sick jewish fetish to see how far they can push gullible white retards that wrapped their identity around being anti left wing woke.
we need less Jewish bullshit, not more.

>>508030148
>GETS EVERY FUCKING WHERE!!
so what. it's not magic vapours in the air that poison you if your Spirit isn't there to protect you.

>>508029181
>banning it is moral panic.
Banning is not the same everywhere. You can usually get exemptions here if everybody involved is professionals and knows the risk and how to mitigate it.
Asbestos is probably still in use in some factories.

>>508030381
giving away the game, supervisor!

>safe and effective, you need to inhale it for 24 hours a day for years to even remotely get sick

NOW, START PAINTING SCHOOL PENCILS WITH LEAD AGAIN

>>508030613
the reason the black kids score poorly on tests is they eat the lead in their pencils because they can't afford lunch

>>508018969
I mean, it depends. My grandfather used to sift through Asbestos and he died at age 80 from .... lung cancer. Aside from that, though, he had like three heart attacks before then.

I think it really depends with Asbestos, some people die, but others live. Is that really a risk worth taking, though?

>>508030695
>died at age 80
>died at age
>died at
>80

>>508031002
80 is the average outside the USA, so nothing to celebrate.

>>508031149
yes, normal life expectancy. in fact beyond that for a man of his grandfather's age.

>>508028237
I understand your frustration or lack thereof (you get the gist of it though) regarding those awfull answers from people lacking basic knowledge about asbestos as a whole, but they just can't see beyond the keyhole because it's blocked...
But I already troubleshoot it and am now managing a way trying to solve it... picrel... lol

>>508026274
Lmfao