/skg/ Skyking General - To B-2 Or Not To B-2
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Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 12:53:00 PM
No.508182737
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 12:55:30 PM
No.508182867
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 12:56:14 PM
No.508182915
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 12:56:47 PM
No.508182944
Anonymous
(ID: yDtQ2+Nj)
6/21/2025, 12:59:12 PM
No.508183079
>>508237325
I just wanted to say good luck and we're all counting on you.
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 1:05:24 PM
No.508183435
>>508188785
>>508228036
QRD
>two groups of four KC-135s (NITRO61-64 and NITRO71-74) left Altus AFB with B-2s, completed refuel and the tankers made synchronised turns
>We now have confirmation that they're taking at least 6 B-2 bombers out with them, comprising callsigns: MYTEE11, MYTEE12, MYTEE13 - operating as flight of 3; MYTEE21, MYTEE22, MYTEE23 - also as flight of 3
>A NOTAM for aerial refueling just north of Hawaii has been published for June 21st starting at 0300 Zulu (11:00 AM EST). The attitude reservation entitled “GLOCK” is for altitudes FL210 - FL280
>lines up pretty bang on with the flight track for the B-2s to head straight over HNL, refuel and then onto DG/Guam
>HIFI81, 82, 83 and 84 now heading back to base having completed their refuel of at least 6x B-2s (callsigns MYTEE11, 12, 13, 21, 22, 23) over the Pacific. Next refuel in Hawaii
Anonymous
(ID: yetc3C+L)
6/21/2025, 1:07:31 PM
No.508183569
>>508185173
>>508182693 (OP)
Command, this is Hotel India Tango, I've been monitoring frequencies for days, flight-radar, the dot...Nothing noteworthy on intercept - over.
Anonymous
(ID: yetc3C+L)
6/21/2025, 1:10:48 PM
No.508183752
>>508199434
Skyfall is coming in for landing, over.
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 1:17:26 PM
No.508184100
>>508187696
>>508187979
>>508192027
Further reading;
In terms of the mission ahead, there are two realistic bases of operation;
>A) Diego Garcia, about 14-15 Hour Mission time, likely only 1-2 refueling required
>B) Guam, about 35 Hour Mission time, likely requiring 4-6 refuelings
USAF official fact sheet states the B-2 has a payload capacity of 40,000lbs, and the GBU-57 MOP is a 30,000lb bomb, so if they're carrying 2 there would need to be considerations regarding fuel at takeoff, also aerial refuelling requirements are more severe
Two MOPs would require taking off with less than a full fuel load, as evidenced by the HIFIs going for immediate tanking after take-off. A payload 150% of MTOW would hit range significantly, which I think make Diego Garcia more likely a base than Guam.
In other news;
Iran’s Fars news agency has said the Isfahan nuclear facility – one of the country’s biggest – has been targeted in Israel’s latest attacks but there is no leakage of hazardous materials
>Internet access in Iran is partially back online after a roughly 62-hour outage.
Anonymous
(ID: hpFIlX/Z)
6/21/2025, 1:22:21 PM
No.508184352
>>508185173
>>508182693 (OP)
Thanks for the reboot Scouse...somewhere over the Pacific some birds fly
Anonymous
(ID: uo4T+tyw)
6/21/2025, 1:37:44 PM
No.508185166
have a bump, skyfrens
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 1:37:55 PM
No.508185173
>>508184352
what a joy it must be sitting up top of one of them, above us only sky...
>>508183569
copy that Hotel India Tango, its been a slow few days (the B-2s excepted)... trump knows what we all know, its always two weeks away.... keep up the good work, over
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 1:46:43 PM
No.508185664
>>508186031
>>508186609
>>508182693 (OP)
What's the difference between A=B and A/B?
Anonymous
(ID: oBIhydQE)
6/21/2025, 1:47:58 PM
No.508185741
>>508186052
uh kings, this is filtered for MIL just now. Wassup with that?
Anonymous
(ID: ZIeo5MRf)
6/21/2025, 1:53:09 PM
No.508186031
>>508186130
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 1:53:31 PM
No.508186052
>>508186166
>>508185741
Could you provide more information? I live within that zone.
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 1:54:43 PM
No.508186130
>>508186609
>>508186031
>A =/= B
Yeah, but what does it "do"? What does it "mean" electronically and wrt radio?
Anonymous
(ID: oBIhydQE)
6/21/2025, 1:55:18 PM
No.508186166
>>508186536
>>508186052
>Could you provide more information? I live within that zone.
seemingly abnormally low amount of military aircraft with their transponders on over the USA geographic zone.
Guessing but could be indicative of pending strikes on Iran and they don't want to give terror cells in the US information on Military flights in the US for fear of reprisal.
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 2:01:59 PM
No.508186536
>>508186166
There is some aircraft military training that happens occasionally in that area because of the mountainous terrain.
That is normal.
Anonymous
(ID: CKxKeNuU)
6/21/2025, 2:03:02 PM
No.508186609
>>508186697
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 2:04:24 PM
No.508186697
>>508186609
Thanks! That is helpful!
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 2:08:51 PM
No.508186965
>>508182693 (OP)
11175.00
Picked up someone muttering some numbers (probably a station identifier) on 11175.00
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 2:20:40 PM
No.508187645
Hello again.
Anonymous
(ID: x9Ood3qv)
6/21/2025, 2:21:37 PM
No.508187696
>>508188061
>>508188064
>>508184100
Can't they fly the bombs on a cargo plane and load them in Guam or wherever?
Seems like a pain in the 'hole for those expensive bomber to carry them all the way there.
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 2:26:05 PM
No.508187979
>>508210741
>>508184100
>>Internet access in Iran is partially back online after a roughly 62-hour outage.
btw, was this outage caused by Jews or was it a countermeasure do disrupt Mossad operations inside Iran?
I heard that drones, Israel used for target assassinations were using Iranian cellphone networks
Anonymous
(ID: oBIhydQE)
6/21/2025, 2:27:30 PM
No.508188061
>>508188606
>>508187696
>Seems like a pain in the 'hole for those expensive bomber to carry them all the way there.
seems like flying them across the planet would be good training for how their airplane handles with the bombs on board.
Anonymous
(ID: FpVgbrcT)
6/21/2025, 2:27:31 PM
No.508188064
>>508188606
>>508191515
>>508187696
then you have to take all the support equipment it takes and people who know how to load them too
Anonymous
(ID: x9Ood3qv)
6/21/2025, 2:36:22 PM
No.508188606
Anonymous
(ID: SN0eFOkY)
6/21/2025, 2:39:07 PM
No.508188785
>>508183435
Wait so we're preparing to die for Taiwan in addition to Israel? What the hell man
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 2:42:47 PM
No.508189027
I couldn't resist.
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 2:53:36 PM
No.508189748
>>508190019
I love the smell of jet fuel in the morning
Anonymous
(ID: CKxKeNuU)
6/21/2025, 2:57:34 PM
No.508190019
>>508190754
>>508189748
T. pic related.
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 3:08:22 PM
No.508190754
Anonymous
(ID: AUxKkdGW)
6/21/2025, 3:19:20 PM
No.508191515
>>508192775
>>508188064
Fox News is reporting on it. I’d imagine a strike will happen tonight. If not tonight, tomorrow. 99% confident it will happen within 24 hours.
Anonymous
(ID: Lm6Ibk8n)
6/21/2025, 3:20:08 PM
No.508191576
Some news from the ME
Haaretz:
Anonymous
(ID: Lm6Ibk8n)
6/21/2025, 3:22:59 PM
No.508191764
Anonymous
(ID: v7f2gxAE)
6/21/2025, 3:26:41 PM
No.508192027
>>508192256
>>508192340
>>508184100
i used AI and it said , fully loaded b2s that left San Fancisco at 12:00gmt would be over Iran at 03:00gmt
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 3:29:20 PM
No.508192256
>>508192027
>i used AI and it said , fully loaded b2s that left San Fancisco at 12:00gmt would be over Iran at 03:00gmt
Grok, is it true?
Anonymous
(ID: Lm6Ibk8n)
6/21/2025, 3:30:00 PM
No.508192317
Anonymous
(ID: 0YgCrKdH)
6/21/2025, 3:30:21 PM
No.508192340
>>508192945
>>508192027
Wouldn’t that put them in Iran during daylight?
Anonymous
(ID: FpVgbrcT)
6/21/2025, 3:36:16 PM
No.508192775
>>508193700
>>508206050
>>508191515
11 hrs flight time Whiteman to Guam
8 hrs rest, min unless they have spare aircrews
8 hrs flight time Guam to Diego Garcia
8 hrs rest, min unless they have spare aircrews
5 hrs flight time Diego Garcia to Iran
I'd say 40-48 hours from takeoff this morning
Anonymous
(ID: v7f2gxAE)
6/21/2025, 3:39:00 PM
No.508192945
>>508193866
>>508192340
about 07:00 IRST.
they dont need to attack at night time
Anonymous
(ID: 0YgCrKdH)
6/21/2025, 3:49:55 PM
No.508193700
>>508194337
>>508192775
They have relief pilots and if I’m not mistaken beds and bathrooms onboard. I don’t think they even need to land to complete their mission.
Anonymous
(ID: 0YgCrKdH)
6/21/2025, 3:52:10 PM
No.508193866
>>508194130
>>508194278
>>508192945
They don’t but the US generally doesn’t strike during daylight. However with the need for ground confirmation from special forces and real time monitoring of critical infrastructure they may strike during daylight.
Anonymous
(ID: v7f2gxAE)
6/21/2025, 3:55:45 PM
No.508194130
>>508194274
>>508193866
its all a guessing game right now but i thought Trump wanted to attack before the markets reopen on Monday and also Israel is losing so sooner rather then later is my guess but Trump may give Iran 2weeks.
Anonymous
(ID: 0YgCrKdH)
6/21/2025, 3:57:32 PM
No.508194274
>>508195195
>>508194130
It’s not going to be 2 weeks. They’re not going to leave most of the operational fleet of b2 bombers susceptible to enemy attack for longer than it takes to complete the mission. Either tonight or tomorrow.
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 3:57:34 PM
No.508194278
>>508194820
>>508193866
between FLIR and modern NVGs, there's practically no difference between night and day militarily, at least operationally for teh USAF. But your enemies will be fewer, tired, and won't be able to see you as well as you can see them.
Anonymous
(ID: FpVgbrcT)
6/21/2025, 3:58:15 PM
No.508194337
>>508194820
>>508193700
if they were going to bomb them without landing they would have flown East not West, lot shorter flight time, don't have to fly over China
Anonymous
(ID: 0YgCrKdH)
6/21/2025, 4:04:44 PM
No.508194820
>>508194278
Modern white phosphor nvg have at best 500m effective range. I don’t know what the military will do but I know they don’t want to keep their b2’s outside the us any longer than they need to.
>>508194337
I don’t know about that, it’s all speculation. The fact of the matter is that the pacific has far less air traffic which means they’re much less likely to be spotted by anyone in the air or on the ground.
Anonymous
(ID: v7f2gxAE)
6/21/2025, 4:09:28 PM
No.508195195
>>508194274
>Either tonight or tomorrow.
agreed.
Now the scenarios.
What happens when the bombs kill Russia scientist working in the nuclear sites .
What happens if after the bombs take out the nuclear sites, Iran response with firing nukes at Israel .
What happens if Chinese radar ships pick up the B2s and light it up on Iranians radars?
What happens if the B2s turn around and head for Washington DC and flatten it
Anonymous
(ID: CQNJVqth)
6/21/2025, 4:10:54 PM
No.508195304
>>508182693 (OP)
Morning skyfrens.
A little surprised we're all still here.
Bunker busters on the way.
FedEx or Uber Eats - all the same. Here's Hal's jabber about it all.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/flights-of-six-to-eight-b-2-stealth-bombers-in-the-air
Anonymous
(ID: seh8IFoA)
6/21/2025, 4:18:12 PM
No.508195909
>>508197686
bump
Anonymous
(ID: x9Ood3qv)
6/21/2025, 4:36:10 PM
No.508197416
I hope the chinks manage to get a few.
Anonymous
(ID: E3KGtg41)
6/21/2025, 4:37:35 PM
No.508197523
>>508198296
Trump's last post was about not wanting a war so I predict he's going to start one before midnight tonight
Anonymous
(ID: lPDBcOKt)
6/21/2025, 4:39:35 PM
No.508197686
>>508195909
duh helllllll is this sound?
Anonymous
(ID: oGagu3Kl)
6/21/2025, 4:47:24 PM
No.508198296
>>508197523
happy solstice guys, i haven't been keeping up with the news, are the elites attempting to start any world wars as a massive blood sacrifice to satan lately?
Anonymous
(ID: 7qtBrjqh)
6/21/2025, 5:01:50 PM
No.508199434
>>508199528
>>508219168
>>508183752
>Snowfall
>right above Palo Verde
I don't like the smell of that, someone paige inb4source.
Anonymous
(ID: TqGMHsxE)
6/21/2025, 5:02:07 PM
No.508199466
b-2s heading towards guam?
Anonymous
(ID: 7qtBrjqh)
6/21/2025, 5:02:51 PM
No.508199528
>>508199434
>Snowfall
Oh, never mind, it's SKYfall, not Snowfall. My bad.
Anonymous
(ID: P505wNcA)
6/21/2025, 5:21:19 PM
No.508201058
>>508202782
a B2 just flew over my house
on a serious note, a Fordow strike needs KC-135/KC-46 doing laps in the Gulf of Oman; check for that
In any case, window is open until monday, its either hit before markets open and the senate is in floor or it's a stop, wait for inspectors to go, and it will drag to next weekend imho
Anonymous
(ID: o+XZ9Y82)
6/21/2025, 5:28:01 PM
No.508201603
>>508182693 (OP)
holy shit so much kike going on in that image. its amazing how noticeable it is when you are looking for it.
Anonymous
(ID: TqGMHsxE)
6/21/2025, 5:28:24 PM
No.508201646
a b-poo just flew over my toilet
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 5:35:08 PM
No.508202194
>>508202872
>>508182693 (OP)
>8992
>8992
it is happening!
Anonymous
(ID: 0YgCrKdH)
6/21/2025, 5:42:18 PM
No.508202782
>>508203094
>>508201058
It’s going to happen in the next 24 hours. They’re not going to leave a fleet of b2’s in Guam for a week. Might not happen until tomorrow though. My guess is that they will just declare an emergency and prevent the stonk markets from opening on Monday. I am doubting the strike will be tonight (our time) just on account of how far out the b2’s are still.
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 5:43:25 PM
No.508202872
>>508203454
>>508202194
Russian "Konteiner" OTH radar
Allegedly it has a range of 3000 km.
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 5:46:09 PM
No.508203094
>>508202782
>>It’s going to happen in the next 24 hours.
*Something* is going to happen.
Anonymous
(ID: IM3nWZt/)
6/21/2025, 5:50:44 PM
No.508203454
>>508203804
>>508203951
>>508202872
I was just about to ask about this: why? With commercial AM/FM radio broadcasting stations, the channels are very clearly delineated and interference is punishable. I guess it makes sense since wavelengths have a limited supply. But why can OTH radar take up that much space in what's supposed to be US military channels?
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 5:54:53 PM
No.508203804
>>508203454
OTH works not dissimilarly to AM or UHF, you're taking massive radio waves and bouncing them off the magnetosphere. It's gonna foul up everything along those wavelengths as it passes.
As for why can't we stop it, are you asking why russian military bases can exist? Why can't we bomb a radar base? Why they're "allowed" to do it? The fouling is as much a feature as it is a bug, and there's nothign you can about 4th/5th domain of war without using the others, and we aint at war.
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 5:56:33 PM
No.508203951
>>508203454
IDK, it has an operational frenquency of 3-30MHz
Maybe they want to make a little interference with NATO channels due to international tensions or sth
However, Boomers from the Twente chat are saying that it happens quite often
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 5:57:04 PM
No.508204005
>>508204586
>>508205818
Tonight is the night boys
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 6:04:14 PM
No.508204586
>>508205818
>>508204005
I feel the same
Anonymous
(ID: IaIVlhIb)
6/21/2025, 6:05:18 PM
No.508204667
>>508205431
Can any nerds tell me what protocol this is? what sort of data is being transmitted?
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 6:14:01 PM
No.508205431
>>508204667
ask boomers on Twente chat
they are on the retirement, watching this shit 24/7 and know everything
Anonymous
(ID: OXlJNujp)
6/21/2025, 6:18:44 PM
No.508205818
>>508206023
>>508204586
>>508204005
Too far away still, it'll be tomorrow night
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 6:21:17 PM
No.508206023
>>508205818
Then the stock exchanges open close after, anf the shock on it is bugger so they can buy back lower haha
Anonymous
(ID: ArlD6Jy5)
6/21/2025, 6:21:35 PM
No.508206050
>>508208535
>>508192775
>I'd say 40-48 hours from takeoff this morning
Makes sense.
Anon on previous thread mentioned new moon on Monday/Tuesday night as a good time to do it.
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 6:28:19 PM
No.508206545
>>508206999
>>508240738
It's getting pretty comfy, kings....
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 6:33:44 PM
No.508206999
>>508207097
>>508240738
>>508206545
Literally me at this moment, lol
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 6:33:48 PM
No.508207007
>>508209416
Small update, my source in tehran contacted me again, says internet is completely back again after being cut off for a few days
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 6:35:00 PM
No.508207097
>>508207193
>>508240499
>>508206999
checkin, grabbing my blankie.
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 6:35:20 PM
No.508207125
>>508208036
Also, there are B2s being stationed at guam, probably to scare off china
Anonymous
(ID: CQNJVqth)
6/21/2025, 6:36:08 PM
No.508207193
>>508240664
>>508207097
Midwest US, we're stripping down.
High 90s. Unbearable.
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 6:46:00 PM
No.508208036
>>508208399
>>508207125
They are now at hawai, so yeah, probably the happening is tomorrow
Anonymous
(ID: CQNJVqth)
6/21/2025, 6:50:40 PM
No.508208399
>>508209985
>>508208036
Wouldn't we expect to see many more P-8s and E jets at least on our coasts, if something was about to go down?
And that drone that used to patrol between Poland and K-grad. Haven't seen that in ages.
Anonymous
(ID: OXlJNujp)
6/21/2025, 6:52:21 PM
No.508208535
>>508208962
>>508209011
>>508210741
Anonymous
(ID: LcLjeeSm)
6/21/2025, 6:55:34 PM
No.508208790
>>508208911
>>508209493
>>508209683
This is just a show of force, the US won't strike, they're not in a position to. This is to force the hands of Iran and other key players to cave in to certain demands.
It won't happen.
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 6:56:35 PM
No.508208881
Anonymous
(ID: O7e6pv9x)
6/21/2025, 6:56:58 PM
No.508208911
>>508209683
>>508208790
>position
Iran has literally no air defense, it's a matter of what side the US will favor
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 6:57:36 PM
No.508208962
>>508209067
>>508208535
European times I suppose?
Anonymous
(ID: ArlD6Jy5)
6/21/2025, 6:58:12 PM
No.508209011
>>508208535
Yeah that's the fastest possible schedule.
But you have to take into account that the B-2 and their trained crews are highly valuable assets. If attacking non-stop is not an operational necessity, better allow some stopovers at Gua,m and Diego Garcia for rest and maintenance.
I guess russian and chinese satellites are watching the airbases and passing info to Iran, so they will know when they are getting attacked, but can't do shit against it anyway.
Anonymous
(ID: OXlJNujp)
6/21/2025, 6:58:51 PM
No.508209067
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 7:03:23 PM
No.508209416
>>508210955
>>508207007
>Small update, my source in tehran contacted me again, says internet is completely back again after being cut off for a few days
You have a contact in Tehran?
I was there once.
City was quite ugly and depressing , but it has nice metro system. Very clean.
People were also OK,
outside border control zone.
Anonymous
(ID: CQNJVqth)
6/21/2025, 7:04:24 PM
No.508209493
>>508208790
Trump needs a win, or at least a chance to save face
And he needs to get his quasi-rebel ones, like Tulsi, fully onboard or else.
Frankly, I don't think he's handling things well without Musk around. Musk was the court jester, someone who keeps the king on an even keel emotionally. They weren't just clowns for entertainment.
Anonymous
(ID: ArlD6Jy5)
6/21/2025, 7:06:58 PM
No.508209683
>>508211056
>>508208790
>This is just a show of force, the US won't strike
>>508208911
>it's a matter of what side the US will favor
Well the US did strike the Houthis with B-2 bombers and it felt like a test run. Get bomber crews familiarized with the airbase, weather, civilian traffic in the region etc., update the skills of ground crews, ordnance logistics etc.
You can't trust Trump not to side with the enemy, but maybe Iran has nothing to offer to him personally, so they have no cards.
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 7:10:33 PM
No.508209985
>>508210145
>>508210632
>>508210741
>>508208399
actually more likely less, considering we're moving a carrier group to the persian gulf, and mines/loitering torpedos have already been discussed, some of those p8s might get tasked out. E's yeah, we shoudl see up tomorrow night.
Anonymous
(ID: BGO01p5C)
6/21/2025, 7:11:30 PM
No.508210080
>>508210207
The B-2 bombers are headed to Guam
Can these bombers reach iran today?
Anonymous
(ID: CQNJVqth)
6/21/2025, 7:12:07 PM
No.508210145
>>508210822
>>508209985
I want to see a Russian Poseidon coming up the Mississippi or Potomac.
Anonymous
(ID: lJvFCUcx)
6/21/2025, 7:12:53 PM
No.508210207
>>508210255
>>508210080
Not today. Mid afternoon tomorrow eastern time.
Anonymous
(ID: BGO01p5C)
6/21/2025, 7:13:30 PM
No.508210255
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 7:18:19 PM
No.508210632
>>508210741
>>508209985
Heard from polish dude that is on Container ship in the Persian Gulf rn, that they are capable to pic echo from submarines on their onboard sonar.
And there are a shitload of them there at this moment.
6 O'clock News
>B-2s approx 1/4 the way from Hawaii to Guam; as >>508208535s picrel suggests happening won't be until 22/6 at the earliest, later if there are stopovers/rests
>Aside from the B-2s, a huge amount of materiel is now in place around the Gulf;
picrel is Prince Sultan Air Base, Saudi, with 54 F-16s, 22 KC-135s, and 11 C-130s
>The State Department has started "assisted departure flights" for U.S. citizens from Israel
>Kuwait evacuates its citizens from Iran
>Worth noting the utter decimation of the flag officers in the Iranian Armed Forces; at least 27 flag officers killed, which is roughly a third of all of their generals and admirals. In 7 days.
rumours and gossip
>CENTCOM commanders have stated that all preparations are complete for any military action against Iran
>President Trump & Turkish President Erdoğan quietly sought to arrange a meeting between the U.S. and Iran in Istanbul last Monday. But the effort collapsed when Iran's supreme leader Khamenei couldn't be reached to approve it
>Axios citing U.S. Officials: In recent days, Trump and top White House officials have grown more doubtful about a diplomatic solution and now believe U.S. military intervention may be required to eliminate Iran’s nuclear capabilities
>Israel says Iran attempted to attack Israeli citizens in Cyprus
>The Houthis threaten to target American warships and merchant vessels in the Red Sea again if the US joins Israel in striking Iran
>>508187979
as far as I'm aware it was orchestrated by the Iranian govt, as a defence against cyber attacks
>>508209985
>>508210632
I was looking into the Iranian Navy today and the best thing about them is that their date of founding is 525BC lmao
Anonymous
(ID: BGO01p5C)
6/21/2025, 7:20:13 PM
No.508210789
>>508210839
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 7:20:33 PM
No.508210822
>>508210145
just sneak all the way up to the great lakes and sit there? that's the dream.
Anonymous
(ID: BGO01p5C)
6/21/2025, 7:20:49 PM
No.508210839
>>508212371
Anonymous
(ID: +E3np56G)
6/21/2025, 7:22:17 PM
No.508210955
>>508211282
>>508211751
>>508209416
Not somebody I know in person, just a girl I know from instagram who is now updating me a lot about the situation a lot
>I was there once
Im jealous anon, Iran is very high on my bucketlist, maybe tehran isn't interesting but I heard the country js beautiful
>Nice metro
Yeah but apperently its closed for some reason so you can't take shelter there, people are basically trapped at there houses when the bombs come
Anonymous
(ID: BGO01p5C)
6/21/2025, 7:22:46 PM
No.508210978
>>508212553
>>508210741
>>Israel says Iran attempted to attack Israeli citizens in Cyprus
Cyprus is EU territory
They wouldn't dare go that far
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 7:23:40 PM
No.508211056
>>508209683
>Well the US did strike the Houthis with B-2 bombers and it felt like a test run. Get bomber crews familiarized with the airbase, weather, civilian traffic in the region etc.,
since after bombing raid, Houti attacks on ships stopped, B-2 payload was quite effective, at least against Houti mountain bunkers
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 7:26:31 PM
No.508211282
>>508214150
>>508210955
Later I was on burger no-flight list.
IDK if I'm still there
Anonymous
(ID: Ba5My62g)
6/21/2025, 7:32:26 PM
No.508211751
>>508214367
>>508210955
>just a girl I know from instagram who is now updating me a lot about the situation a lot
Now that's some quality networking
Anonymous
(ID: V6PAkmGu)
6/21/2025, 7:34:58 PM
No.508211975
>>508212182
Accidentally posted it in /pig/ and not here, but did anyone else see that RAF A400M cross into Iran by Iraq? It was right around the red dot before it dropped off the radar
Anonymous
(ID: lJvFCUcx)
6/21/2025, 7:37:23 PM
No.508212182
>>508211975
You can go back in the history
Anonymous
(ID: ZSiEGRh1)
6/21/2025, 7:39:42 PM
No.508212371
>>508210839
Great circle from anderson afb to qom passes right over china, don't think they want to make that run even if physically possible
Anonymous
(ID: OXlJNujp)
6/21/2025, 7:39:55 PM
No.508212388
>>508212509
>>508213011
Go live bitch
Anonymous
(ID: V6PAkmGu)
6/21/2025, 7:41:53 PM
No.508212509
>>508212388
>Another stream where he stares at Tel Aviv's skyline as nothing happens
I don't think so
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 7:42:22 PM
No.508212553
>>508210978
as far as I can tell it wasn't a missile/administration attack
very few details out but feels like a 'lone wolf' trying to be a martyr kinda situation. not seen any reports of injuries so clearly he was a couple sandwiches short of a picnic
Anonymous
(ID: 38FQ9/lD)
6/21/2025, 7:48:04 PM
No.508213011
>>508212388
he is such a biased bitch since this recent escalation, can't stand that lipsmacking faggot anymore
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 7:50:07 PM
No.508213158
>>508213391
are we tuning in tonight bros?
Anonymous
(ID: Ba5My62g)
6/21/2025, 7:52:55 PM
No.508213391
>>508213158
Way ahead of you
Though admittedly nothing is happening yet, but it seems like something just might
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 8:03:07 PM
No.508214150
>>508215702
>>508211282
Interestign, wonder if Im as well as I have stamps from russia and china, combined with the shit I say online about burgerstan
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 8:05:29 PM
No.508214367
>>508214852
>>508211751
Some messages are a bit heavy tho..
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 8:11:43 PM
No.508214852
>>508214931
>>508214367
time to ask for a titty pic. YOLO
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 8:12:43 PM
No.508214931
Anonymous
(ID: mA3f4sKE)
6/21/2025, 8:13:41 PM
No.508215001
>>508215049
internet still down in iran? (skyline cams etc)
Anonymous
(ID: mA3f4sKE)
6/21/2025, 8:14:23 PM
No.508215049
>>508215001
nevermind. it's up again
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 8:19:46 PM
No.508215515
>>508215576
mainsail sounding bored
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 8:20:32 PM
No.508215576
>>508215656
>>508215515
Mainsail was on? Has he be on a lot last days?
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 8:21:28 PM
No.508215656
>>508215576
yep did a testcount
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 8:21:56 PM
No.508215702
>>508214150
>Interestign, wonder if Im as well as I have stamps from russia and china, combined with the shit I say online about burgerstan
with current administration?
mostly sure.
Fat Yank
(ID: L+1ULeA3)
6/21/2025, 8:22:51 PM
No.508215784
>>508216054
>>508216375
Good morning Saars!
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 8:25:48 PM
No.508216054
>>508215784
good morning kind saar!
Fat Yank
(ID: L+1ULeA3)
6/21/2025, 8:26:50 PM
No.508216138
>>508226052
>>508210741
>Line all of your planes up
>Post it on twitter
Israel is fucked mutts are retarded now
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 8:29:47 PM
No.508216375
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 8:41:13 PM
No.508217318
>>508217520
Tonight trump will meet with the security council again, probably to give the green light
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 8:43:35 PM
No.508217520
>>508217597
>>508217520
>first thing on the list is golf
why the fuck does this dude golf so much
Anonymous
(ID: Lm6Ibk8n)
6/21/2025, 8:44:24 PM
No.508217606
>>508217799
that thing that was supposed to happen last week, the thing we would be talking about a century from now...
did it happen?
Anonymous
(ID: 3BHQACLl)
6/21/2025, 8:46:28 PM
No.508217799
>>508217606
Yes, it was a icbm test
>>508217597
Leisure time before the big one, maybe..
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 8:49:14 PM
No.508218069
>>508218132
>>508218418
>>508222955
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 8:49:57 PM
No.508218132
Anonymous
(ID: TqGMHsxE)
6/21/2025, 8:52:59 PM
No.508218418
Anonymous
(ID: Ohr5l9i6)
6/21/2025, 8:54:31 PM
No.508218563
>>508217597
Because its where he meets the "shadow" people in his resort. It looks like golfing but its not. Far away from public eyes and all civilians oversight and demands on names of Visitors.
Anonymous
(ID: L+1ULeA3)
6/21/2025, 9:01:47 PM
No.508219168
>>508199434
>Snowfall
come on man I just woke up can you faggots not blow up the planet?
Anonymous
(ID: hpFIlX/Z)
6/21/2025, 9:08:52 PM
No.508219805
>>508217597
B-2 Callsigns
>MYTEE
My tee
Makes perfect sense.
Anonymous
(ID: dSRiCvuI)
6/21/2025, 9:12:31 PM
No.508220101
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 9:23:30 PM
No.508220982
Anonymous
(ID: L+1ULeA3)
6/21/2025, 9:26:34 PM
No.508221247
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 9:30:26 PM
No.508221535
>>508226052
Howdy, Yank!
Thanks for the keeping of breasts Scouse! Appreciate your rundowns very much.
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 9:38:16 PM
No.508222239
Anonymous
(ID: 7qtBrjqh)
6/21/2025, 9:39:14 PM
No.508222309
>>508217597
Golfing is an excuse to have a 1 on 1 meeting away from prying eyes and ears.
Anonymous
(ID: L+1ULeA3)
6/21/2025, 9:44:26 PM
No.508222761
>>508226052
>>508210741
Why was this posted on twitter I am seething!
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 9:45:01 PM
No.508222803
>>508223469
>>508226051
Can someone verify these numbers?
Skyking 1: 4724.00
Skyking 2: 6739.00
Skyking 3: 8992.00
Skyking 4: 9030.00 (estimate)
Skyking 5: probably 11175.00
Skyking 6: 13200
Skyking 7: 15016.00
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 9:47:07 PM
No.508222955
>>508218069
lots of noise overpowering squelch on 4724 actually
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 9:52:43 PM
No.508223460
Whatever the heck that just was on 8992
Anonymous
(ID: MejGx5QZ)
6/21/2025, 9:52:53 PM
No.508223469
>>508223936
>>508223985
>>508222803
>Skyking 1: 4724.00
>Skyking 3: 8992.00
>Skyking 5: probably 11175.00
Those are USAF Messages channels. They were pretty active a few days ago.
Anonymous
(ID: La4/uMVS)
6/21/2025, 9:58:03 PM
No.508223936
>>508224107
>>508223469
They were extremely active Tuesday night after Trump's initial Situation Room meeting.
One operator sounded absolutely panicked as she read out her cipher.
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 9:58:33 PM
No.508223985
>>508223469
>Those are USAF Messages channels. They were pretty active a few days ago.
now they are quite silient, so all orders have been already issued
Interestingly, since Iranian war started, there were several messages on Russian Buzzer, last on Thursday, at least according to this channel
https://www.youtube.com/@Uvb-76Voicemessage/videos
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 9:59:49 PM
No.508224107
>>508224274
>>508232840
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 10:00:38 PM
No.508224195
>>508224442
loft?ball standing by for traffic
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 10:01:03 PM
No.508224236
Lost ball standing by for traffic
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 10:01:28 PM
No.508224274
>>508224107
"I say again, this is Floss ball, standing by for traffic"
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:01:37 PM
No.508224291
Anonymous
(ID: ALWl5qfI)
6/21/2025, 10:02:00 PM
No.508224324
>>508224605
LOSTBALLS
STANDING BY
OUT
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 10:03:22 PM
No.508224442
>>508224195
Someone forgot to hit the encryption key while starting WW3
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:05:04 PM
No.508224575
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 10:05:22 PM
No.508224605
>>508224324
Probably a shift change on the hour and some poor airman had to check in on the radio...
Anonymous
(ID: DBF7ywa3)
6/21/2025, 10:06:42 PM
No.508224736
>>508226052
>>508182693 (OP)
Status Check: Has anything of note happened yet?
Anonymous
(ID: IklacHJH)
6/21/2025, 10:07:05 PM
No.508224770
Just saw the same pattern shifted over a bit
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:12:41 PM
No.508225235
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/21/2025, 10:21:48 PM
No.508226051
>>508222803
>Skyking 4: 9030.00 (estimate)
what does this even mean? How do you 'estimate' a frequency?
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 10:21:49 PM
No.508226052
>>508226794
>>508226979
>>508224736
the B-2s with their bunker-busters are en route to being in position for something to happen, if you count that as something of note- otherwise nah
>>508222761
>>508216138
actually pic was from a Chinese earth imaging satellite lol
>>508221535
appreciate you anon, stay comfy
seen posted as material strength estimate in CENTCOM
>Fighters very rough count between Israeli Air Force and US Air Force and US Navy; 59~ F-15, 229x F-16,12+ F-22, 82~ F-35, 60~ F/A-18
>86 US Tankers in EUCOM and CENTCOM Fuel Offload Capacity 8,070,000 lbs
but
>Four sources said it is now increasingly likely that Israel will launch a solo military operation against the Fordow Nuclear Facility, according to Reuters
interesting if true
Anonymous
(ID: 6HidrbEi)
6/21/2025, 10:30:34 PM
No.508226794
>>508227053
>>508226052
>solo military operation
Imagine being the engineer, study in university being top of the class just so you to calculate how many bombs and rockets you need to dig a hole deep enough
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/21/2025, 10:32:06 PM
No.508226928
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:32:41 PM
No.508226979
>>508227400
>>508227448
>>508226052
>solo military operation against the Fordow
With what ord though? I thought the issue was that IDF had nothing to get that deep?
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 10:33:34 PM
No.508227053
>>508227495
>>508226794
imagine being a literal rocket scientist or nuclear physicist and getting blown to bits because another country says you can't do that practical math and chemistry, despite them doing the exact same thing.
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 10:37:58 PM
No.508227400
>>508226979
if they go solo, without americans bombing entire entire way to de dust, Iran will likely bomb Dimona reactor in retaliation.
From the other hand, maybe it is some 5-D chess move by Trump or sth
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 10:38:26 PM
No.508227448
>>508228035
>>508226979
I've heard rumours/boasts that they would send 'a team' in to take it out in person. seems unlikely but then I wouldn't put anything past the IDF special forces desu a ground assault to detonate it from inside isn't entirely implausible. antiair defences around Fordow are p much gone so if Israel had complete air superiority for a few hours, few lads in a chopper could do some damage
Or they could nuke it but I really don't see them using those unless its a truly existential threat to the state, which they /say/ but we all know isn't the case here
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:38:57 PM
No.508227495
>>508227623
>>508227053
The difference is intent.
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 10:40:31 PM
No.508227623
>>508228346
>>508227495
no disrepect milsurp, but all weapons production has the same intent
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:45:42 PM
No.508228035
>>508227448
Def actionable options but the guaranteed destruction via a relatively small number of US sorties seems so much smoother. Esp with the AA capabilities so reduced, which were such a weak threat to begin with. The orange dude needs to take a win soon and this just seems like a cakewalk after such a severe reduction in retaliatory capacity.
Anonymous
(ID: GWP4ScSm)
6/21/2025, 10:45:44 PM
No.508228036
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:49:05 PM
No.508228346
>>508228702
>>508227623
None taken and I'd agree on the most base level. I'd only point to the doctrine of MAD which actually got us through the cold war. Deterrence is different than threat.
Anonymous
(ID: zNSpcLPY)
6/21/2025, 10:51:03 PM
No.508228529
https://youtu.be/2pB1RYwTANM?t=173
why doesnt tel aviv have a meson canon?
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 10:52:54 PM
No.508228702
>>508229063
>>508229234
>>508228346
"preemptive defense strikes" as the last administration put it aren't deterrence, thats aggression. MAD is for folks with nukes, at least let 'em get the bomb before you take the kid gloves off. Any civilized country can intercept or take 'em out with neutrino disruption anyway
Anonymous
(ID: Ohr5l9i6)
6/21/2025, 10:54:47 PM
No.508228846
>>508229419
>>508233619
The US had already 5 or so B2 in diega garcia air base what happend to them? Why so many all of the sudden?
Would that be like 40% of americas B2 fleet on spot?
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 10:57:29 PM
No.508229063
>>508228702
>neutrino disruption
Mm-hmm...
Anonymous
(ID: BjRM6/Gn)
6/21/2025, 10:58:33 PM
No.508229172
>>508229239
>>508232905
Anonymous
(ID: IM3nWZt/)
6/21/2025, 10:59:20 PM
No.508229234
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/21/2025, 10:59:25 PM
No.508229239
Anonymous
(ID: kFPDUod1)
6/21/2025, 11:01:35 PM
No.508229419
>>508229579
>>508229849
>>508228846
Likely because they were within the range of Iranian hypersonic missiles and they had plenty of warning from Israel in regards to their plan to strike Iran. That’s why I don’t think B2’s will land in Diega Garcia or even land at all. They will probably refuel aerially in Guam after the the stratotankers have refueled and continue on their way. Also there’s still a question as to whether the b2’s can land with a 30% higher payload. I’m not an engineer, so I don’t know how payload affects the airframe vs fuel, but I know if they had to take off with low fuel, it needs to be drastically lower to land. Your average 747 can take off with full fuel but has to jettison 80% of it to land safely.
Anonymous
(ID: lfyhv2Va)
6/21/2025, 11:03:45 PM
No.508229579
>>508229745
>>508229419
>hypersonic missiles
I swear, every time I hear this I get a rash...
Are you some turdie that gets excited because of ballistic missile speeds?
Anonymous
(ID: kFPDUod1)
6/21/2025, 11:05:59 PM
No.508229745
>>508230284
>>508229579
No. But there is no doubt that hypersonic missiles could be launched from Iran, evade air defenses, and impact before the US has a chance to get their fleet in the air. We’ve seen examples of them in video over the past week.
>>508229419
>Your average 747 can take off with full fuel but has to jettison 80% of it to land safely.
what? this sounds completely nonsensical
Anonymous
(ID: L+1ULeA3)
6/21/2025, 11:12:17 PM
No.508230284
>>508229745
>hypersonic missiles could be launched
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 11:13:24 PM
No.508230369
>>508230952
>>508229849
nah, that is why they can piss fuel. not an engineer either but i've definitely seen videos of them lightening up before landing
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/21/2025, 11:15:33 PM
No.508230544
>>508230952
>>508229849
landing put more mechanical stress on aircraft frame than taking off..., or sth
Anonymous
(ID: GWP4ScSm)
6/21/2025, 11:18:04 PM
No.508230734
>>508230952
>>508229849
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dumping
Max take off weight is often 200K lbs heavier than maximum structural landing weight. Its not not really they "cant" land heavier, but landing heavy risks a harder landing and risks structural damage to plane
Anonymous
(ID: MejGx5QZ)
6/21/2025, 11:19:18 PM
No.508230812
USAF Messages are active. Ugly echo, though.
>>508230369
>>508230544
>>508230734
>"Jettison 80%" is nonsense. Most 747s do not carry fuel anywhere near 80% of capacity just to dump it. Fuel dump needs vary—typically enough to reduce weight by 100,000–200,000 pounds (roughly 15–30% of max fuel load), depending on the specific mission load and fuel level at time of emergency.
>747s don't routinely dump fuel. Fuel dumping is rare and done only in emergencies. Normally, fuel is burned off during the flight before landing.
Anonymous
(ID: IM3nWZt/)
6/21/2025, 11:22:30 PM
No.508231086
>>508231173
Anonymous
(ID: MejGx5QZ)
6/21/2025, 11:23:29 PM
No.508231173
>>508231539
Anonymous
(ID: IM3nWZt/)
6/21/2025, 11:28:17 PM
No.508231539
>>508232121
>>508231173
I believe so, but yours cuts off early. I recorded mine on 11.175 kHz.
Anonymous
(ID: 7jnZwSuG)
6/21/2025, 11:28:28 PM
No.508231554
>>508231753
>>508229849
Are you retarded? The maximum take off weight of a 747 is 800,000 pounds. The maximum landing weight is 574,000 pounds. The weight of the fuel tanks fully loaded is 400,000 pounds. That means at best they can land with 43.5 percent fuel at maximum weight. Now consider the b2 is already over payload capacity by 20,000 pounds, which is lower in mass and centrally located in the fuselage near the landing gear and only has a fuel capacity of 160000 pounds.
Anonymous
(ID: GWP4ScSm)
6/21/2025, 11:29:10 PM
No.508231613
>>508230952
>Normally, fuel is burned off during the flight before landing
Yes, they make calculation before flight. If the trip is going to take 800000 lbs of fuel they fill up 8250000 giving them enough to divert if needed.
But if there is an emergency and they have to land immediately they might be over their max recommended landing weight so they will often dump fuel before landing
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/21/2025, 11:31:07 PM
No.508231753
Anonymous
(ID: 7jnZwSuG)
6/21/2025, 11:31:47 PM
No.508231807
>>508230952
This is not true. A 747 at MAXIMUM landing weight is 43.5% of max fuel load. Which means they’d have to jettison 56.5% of fuel to land safely but that’s at maximum landing weight. Most 747’s land with 15-20% fuel in reserve. I understand that fuel is burned during the flight, I meant if they took off at full weight and had to emergency land shortly after they would have to jettison a massive percentage of their fuel. This is a retarded argument anyway because nobody knows what the structural limits of a b2 are. I was just trying to make an anecdotal comparison.
Anonymous
(ID: 7Ar1lfPq)
6/21/2025, 11:32:27 PM
No.508231867
>>508232143
>>508232143
>>508230952
I think everyone else just assumed that they, yanno, do the math. But you're retarded and think you're telling people something they didn't inherently understand lmao.
Show flag.
Anonymous
(ID: MejGx5QZ)
6/21/2025, 11:35:17 PM
No.508232121
>>508231539
I was hopping between the 3 channels. They all broadcast simultaneously it seems. But I hear in yours that I missed the longer message. I thought it was just the same message being repeated.
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/21/2025, 11:35:34 PM
No.508232143
>>508232627
>>508231867
I think the only good point in your first post was
>I’m not an engineer
>>508231867
lol
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 11:38:36 PM
No.508232395
Anonymous
(ID: KAkmyIEe)
6/21/2025, 11:39:53 PM
No.508232494
>>508232756
lmk when the hypersonics start flying mhm k
Anonymous
(ID: 7jnZwSuG)
6/21/2025, 11:41:28 PM
No.508232627
>>508232883
>>508232986
>>508233619
>>508232143
That’s not even me. He’s clearly pointing out the fact that you know nothing about airplanes and anyone who did would know what I meant. Payload always puts more stress on the airframe and landing gears. The manufacturer suggested maximum payload on the b2 is 40k. Which means it’s 30% overloaded on payload. My entire point is I don’t even know if they can safely land with that payload without doing structural damage to the airframe. Do you understand now?
Anonymous
(ID: 7jnZwSuG)
6/21/2025, 11:42:39 PM
No.508232756
>>508232494
Iran has already used a half a dozen hypersonic missiles that have been filmed. It’s not even remotely in question as to whether or not they have them.
Anonymous
(ID: K7SemkWh)
6/21/2025, 11:43:50 PM
No.508232840
>>508224107
i think its data being sent
Anonymous
(ID: 7jnZwSuG)
6/21/2025, 11:44:22 PM
No.508232883
>>508232627
Sorry 50% overloaded.
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/21/2025, 11:44:34 PM
No.508232905
>>508229172
not seen confirmation other than some X and Telegram channels posting, sourced back to 'Iranian sources' - none of the OSINT pages I consider trustworthy have committed to it, but there is a fair bit of chatter about it... holding breath on it for now
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/21/2025, 11:45:35 PM
No.508232986
>>508233379
>>508232627
you were implying it was you, now you're being btfo and distancing yourself from it. you should probably just stop posting, i'm not going to chase you down in replies btfoing you over and over unless you insist on repeatedly lining up for it
Anonymous
(ID: K7SemkWh)
6/21/2025, 11:45:37 PM
No.508232989
>>508233448
>>508229849
its because runways are to short for a heavy plane to stop. they could land no problem if they had a super long runway
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/21/2025, 11:48:52 PM
No.508233267
Anonymous
(ID: 7Ar1lfPq)
6/21/2025, 11:50:21 PM
No.508233379
>>508233619
>>508232986
There's these handy little things called IDs on each post, anon. You're a confirmed retard.
Anonymous
(ID: 7jnZwSuG)
6/21/2025, 11:51:14 PM
No.508233448
>>508232989
That’s not entirely why. Landing puts significantly more stress on the airframe. It’s like walking on the ground vs jumping from 2 stories. And payload puts considerably more stress on the airframe than evenly distributed fuel. That’s why the maximum payload of pickup trucks are significantly less than the maximum towing capacity.
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/21/2025, 11:53:24 PM
No.508233619
>>508233725
>>508233923
>>508233379
Yes, because no one has EVER tried to save face in a /pol/ argument by switching to or from phoneposting. In
>>508232627 you seem to have gotten confused and think I was
>>508228846, despite the different ID
Amazing there are people this dumb that manage to post at all. Do you even have the mental capacity to breathe or are you hooked up to an iron lung to do it for you?
Anonymous
(ID: TqGMHsxE)
6/21/2025, 11:54:11 PM
No.508233683
no missile alert in over 22 hrs
>no missile alert in over 22 hrs
Anonymous
(ID: 7Ar1lfPq)
6/21/2025, 11:54:47 PM
No.508233725
>>508233792
>>508233619
Wow, you're retarded lmfao. Literally none of those are me. Holy shit.
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/21/2025, 11:55:35 PM
No.508233792
>>508233890
>>508233725
>I changed my IP again!
lol XD so random
Anonymous
(ID: 7Ar1lfPq)
6/21/2025, 11:56:59 PM
No.508233890
>>508233971
>>508233792
My ID has been the same this entire time, anon. I'm sorry, but it's time to face the fact you're a retard.
Anonymous
(ID: 7jnZwSuG)
6/21/2025, 11:57:21 PM
No.508233923
>>508234047
>>508233619
Brother the only point I was trying to make is that we don’t know how 50% increased payload affects b2’s and that they may not be able to land without structurally damaging the airframe. Therefore it’s very likely they aren’t going to land and are on a direct mission to bomb targets before returning. Whatever else you’re arguing about is nonsense and you’re moving goalposts. Nobody here has classified information on the b2. We don’t know. It is speculation, but it’s plausible.
>>508233890
>mfw some /skg/ newfag has no idea who i am
Anonymous
(ID: 7Ar1lfPq)
6/21/2025, 11:58:55 PM
No.508234047
>>508234426
>>508233971
I know who you are, a retard.
>>508233923
Good luck with this faggot, anon. I've got to get groceries lmao
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/21/2025, 11:59:36 PM
No.508234097
>>508234165
>>508234576
>>508233971
>don't you know who i am
no dawg. I only know fat yankee, milslurp, scowser, west spain anon, that one IRA guy...
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/22/2025, 12:00:29 AM
No.508234165
>>508234097
oh and J3WWWS, he's cool too
Anonymous
(ID: BVSQ1mUw)
6/22/2025, 12:01:06 AM
No.508234214
>>508234234
>>508234256
Good evening frens, is it happening yet?
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:01:29 AM
No.508234234
>>508234214
lost balls is standing by for traffic portubro
Anonymous
(ID: jGH+xgBQ)
6/22/2025, 12:01:29 AM
No.508234237
Dr. Strangenyahu or: How I Learned Not to Worry About Being Tried For Corruption, Bribery and Breach of Trust, and How I Started World War III Simply to Stay in Power and Avoid the Charges
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/22/2025, 12:01:47 AM
No.508234256
>>508234399
>>508234214
not 'til tomorrow, so say the planes.
Anonymous
(ID: L+1ULeA3)
6/22/2025, 12:02:21 AM
No.508234298
Anonymous
(ID: Q22LSCeR)
6/22/2025, 12:02:47 AM
No.508234336
>>508234426
>>508234573
>>508233971
Good luck dealing with that retard! I’ve got to go get groceries
Anonymous
(ID: QdhYeRmN)
6/22/2025, 12:03:45 AM
No.508234399
>>508234256
are they parked in Guam waiting for orders?
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/22/2025, 12:04:04 AM
No.508234426
>>508234047
>>508234336
Is "i've got to go get groceries" the new "i'm getting sleepy?"
the entire stockpile of GBU-57/MOP is not capable of reaching fordow. they are planning on using nuclear weapons.
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:06:15 AM
No.508234571
>>508234697
lostball talking
>>508234524
now that would be kino
Anonymous
(ID: 6HidrbEi)
6/22/2025, 12:06:17 AM
No.508234573
>>508234336
Calling someone here retard is retarded, retard
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/22/2025, 12:06:19 AM
No.508234576
>>508234886
>>508234097
considering how shit /skg/ has become I might actually prefer to be unknown. I'd prefer that one guy who threatened to sue me for recording the HFGCS to come back, at least that guy was interesting. this is just a boring, uninteresting kind of banal sucking
Anonymous
(ID: Ohr5l9i6)
6/22/2025, 12:06:26 AM
No.508234589
>>508234524
Or killing the the leader in his command bunker.
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/22/2025, 12:06:28 AM
No.508234591
>>508235501
>>508236684
11 O'Clock News
returning to comfier topics...
>The B-2s will be landing in Guam in about 90 minutes... unless this is another refuel. Either way we'll know pretty soon, if some more tankers launch that'll be very telling. A Singapore A330-MRTT (airframe 762) has launched from there heading east, away from Singapore... lets see if its joined by any more
>Germany and Kuwait shut down Tehran embassies and evacuates personnel from Iran
>rumour of a ground attack on Fordow /seems/ to have been false, no corroborating reports and original Israeli posts now deleted
Anonymous
(ID: BVSQ1mUw)
6/22/2025, 12:07:17 AM
No.508234655
>>508234977
Lost balls with 35 characters message
Anonymous
(ID: jGH+xgBQ)
6/22/2025, 12:07:47 AM
No.508234697
>>508234524
>>508234571
'America and Europe are Edom and will be destroyed by Israel'
https://files.catbox.moe/a8emyh.mp4
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/22/2025, 12:09:53 AM
No.508234886
>>508234576
shit dawg, go buy some groceries then.
Anonymous
(ID: jGH+xgBQ)
6/22/2025, 12:10:49 AM
No.508234965
Jewish people label people of European race as Amalek (a progeny of biblical Esau, turned Edom - the Roman Empire, so the Western Civilization).
Here’s Maimonides Torah commandment against Amalek to genocide men and women, old and young, and animals of Amalek from Chabad website.
Anonymous
(ID: MejGx5QZ)
6/22/2025, 12:10:55 AM
No.508234977
>>508235160
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:12:15 AM
No.508235160
>>508235320
>>508234977
what band are you using? it sounded pretty good on 4724.00
Anonymous
(ID: b9QF32CC)
6/22/2025, 12:13:54 AM
No.508235305
>>508235965
>>508236201
>>508234524
they will use a modified B61-Mod 13. they are already psyopping and claiming that conventional strike on fordow would cause radiation.
Anonymous
(ID: MejGx5QZ)
6/22/2025, 12:14:06 AM
No.508235320
>>508235160
8992 that time. 3kHz USB, squelch on.
Anonymous
(ID: Ohr5l9i6)
6/22/2025, 12:16:20 AM
No.508235501
>>508234591
>>rumour of a ground attack on Fordow /seems/ to have been false, no corroborating reports and original Israeli posts now deleted
all successful warfare relies on is deception. Its all on the table.
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 12:18:21 AM
No.508235672
>>508238004
>>508234524
Correct. The MOP bunker busters are only rated to a depth of 60m while fordow is estimated to be 90m or deeper under 30,0000psi reinforced concrete and could yaw with advanced bunker shell construction techniques. I sincerely doubt they will use GBU-57’s alone. I think it will start with a dozen or more gbu-57’s and there will be a tactical nuclear explosive detonated after. We probably won’t ever see the strike, and they will claim nuclear contamination from the facility. Or they could just straight up nuke it and use the gbu-57’s on other strategic sites. I don’t think there will be any kind of verifiable footage from the strike so it’ll likely be propaganda that we’re force fed.
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/22/2025, 12:21:45 AM
No.508235965
>>508236041
>>508236505
>>508235305
You can estimate an explosion yield, straight form seismic waves, so it is not possible to cover it up other way than saying Iran just conducted nuclear test inside Fordow and destroying accidentally entire facility
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:22:28 AM
No.508236041
>>508236449
>>508235965
nuclear radiation is fingerprintable too, right?
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 12:24:29 AM
No.508236201
>>508235305
Yep. Or a rod from god. But I doubt we will ever see footage of the attack. I definitely don’t think that gbu-57s will complete the mission.
Anonymous
(ID: BVSQ1mUw)
6/22/2025, 12:24:38 AM
No.508236220
>>508236322
>>508236383
What is happening on 11175kHz?
Anonymous
(ID: IM3nWZt/)
6/22/2025, 12:24:40 AM
No.508236224
>>508236322
Radio chatter? Aircrafts? What is going on at 11.175 kHz?
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:25:51 AM
No.508236322
>>508236412
>>508236220
>>508236224
shit had my headphones out. recording by chance?
Anonymous
(ID: BVSQ1mUw)
6/22/2025, 12:26:31 AM
No.508236383
>>508236468
>>508237038
Anonymous
(ID: NRTpAFHZ)
6/22/2025, 12:26:50 AM
No.508236412
>>508236322
I got them, give me a sec
Anonymous
(ID: RIkqIyD/)
6/22/2025, 12:27:16 AM
No.508236449
>>508236041
yeah, but seismic waves are more specific
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:27:29 AM
No.508236468
>>508236572
>>508236383
that dude sounds rather zesty
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 12:27:55 AM
No.508236505
>>508235965
Were you not here the other night when the depth of the 5.2 magnitude earthquake was changed from a depth of 10 meters to 12,000 within minutes? They don’t need to worry about the values of the seismic waves if they can control the flow of information regarding it.
Anonymous
(ID: UQFqCV0O)
6/22/2025, 12:28:40 AM
No.508236572
>>508236468
[hopefully] competent white nerds are piloting and commanding these systems kek
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 12:29:50 AM
No.508236684
>>508238004
>>508234591
Couldn’t the tankers just turn their transponders off around the airbase and refuel the b2’s? It’s my understanding that they can complete the mission without refueling from Guam.
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/22/2025, 12:30:36 AM
No.508236754
>my antenna is bigger than your antenna.
Anonymous
(ID: BVSQ1mUw)
6/22/2025, 12:31:47 AM
No.508236856
>>508236958
Btw, just to remind you guys that Trump is now in a national security meeting in the White House since 6PM.
Anonymous
(ID: 7F6jb6Ul)
6/22/2025, 12:32:49 AM
No.508236958
>>508237051
>>508237160
>>508236856
How many hours is that?
Anonymous
(ID: MejGx5QZ)
6/22/2025, 12:33:43 AM
No.508237038
>>508237176
>>508237497
>>508236383
That was weird...I didn't hear that on 8992. The channels are used on their own as well? I thought the 3 were all the same.
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:33:53 AM
No.508237051
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 12:35:06 AM
No.508237160
>>508236958
It started a half hour ago. Nobody knows when it will end. Recently they’ve lasted around 1-2 hours.
Anonymous
(ID: 9RynPpNA)
6/22/2025, 12:35:16 AM
No.508237176
>>508237038
>I thought the 3 were all the same.
ok, im actually going to go get groceries now
Anonymous
(ID: CQNJVqth)
6/22/2025, 12:36:14 AM
No.508237266
Go 21 minutes into this.
Show US military aircraft getting ready in Saudi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqvU2XZNdZo
Anonymous
(ID: pq4gCvLZ)
6/22/2025, 12:37:02 AM
No.508237325
>>508183079
Honestly if I met a girl that creepy/awsome I would marry her for the lols.
What’s your guys favorite song to kick off ww3? I’ll record a vocaroo cover of it on guitar
Anonymous
(ID: BVSQ1mUw)
6/22/2025, 12:38:52 AM
No.508237497
>>508239727
>>508237038
I had never seen a message like that before in these frequencies. Also, the guy mentions aircraft "1502", likely referring to the registration of the plane he is flying. 57-1502 which is a KC-135
MilSurp
(ID: qgfmCsKk)
6/22/2025, 12:44:46 AM
No.508238003
>>508238228
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/22/2025, 12:44:48 AM
No.508238004
>>508238703
>>508238757
>>508239338
>The USS Nimitz (CVN-68) Carrier Strike Group has officially arrived in the CENTCOM area of responsibility, joining the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) CSG
>Trump holding a National Security meeting- notable he didn't stop for press on 3 occasions before the meeting
>>508235672
if Fordow was nuked you'd be able to see it from Fordo, and probably Qom as well, I think there'd be footage - its only 30km NNE of the city
>>508236684
yes they could, and when the KC135s are near the B2s they turn off the transponders, but at launch they generally have them on as they are transiting through civilian ATC corridors
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 12:47:26 AM
No.508238228
>>508238003
I don’t have a wah pedal hooked up to my interface right now (I do have one) but I don’t want to go through the ass of hooking it up for such a simple song and I also want a little bit of a challenge.
Anonymous
(ID: BVSQ1mUw)
6/22/2025, 12:49:09 AM
No.508238375
>>508238427
E-6 taking off from Tinker AFB. Meanwhile, another radio check in 11175
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/22/2025, 12:49:35 AM
No.508238398
bun in the oven, over
>>508237460
if its a good tune I might join you on that, gna be an hour or so before the landing at Guam anyway
Anonymous
(ID: UNFTCvNY)
6/22/2025, 12:50:01 AM
No.508238427
>>508238375
>E-6
they really are gonna use a nuke aren't they
Anonymous
(ID: NRTpAFHZ)
6/22/2025, 12:51:22 AM
No.508238546
Still hearing activity on 11175 but it's completely uninteligible.
Anonymous
(ID: tvInAon2)
6/22/2025, 12:53:17 AM
No.508238703
>>508238004
>Trump holding a National Security meeting
Thats just Bibi coaching Trump on how to give better head, and how he has to make sure not to use the plug anymore.
Bibi likes his ass good and tight, readying the ass before hand because he is afraid of the pain is FUCKING ANTISEMITIC.
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 12:53:53 AM
No.508238757
>>508239682
>>508240255
>>508238004
Generally, but Guam is isolated in the pacific and nowhere near any commercial air traffic. There would be no reason to notify civilian atc
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 1:00:38 AM
No.508239338
>>508240255
>>508240283
>>508238004
Possibly, but also don’t underestimate the United States capabilities to sabotage critical infrastructure like internet and cellular pre attack. I mean, I don’t know. I just know from what we know about the gbu-57 is that it’s probably not capable of destroying fordow.
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 1:04:57 AM
No.508239682
>>508238757
Sorry about the fucked off mobile photos btw I got a 14 day on /k/ last week Kek
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/22/2025, 1:05:28 AM
No.508239727
Anonymous
(ID: AqGK1pSV)
6/22/2025, 1:10:22 AM
No.508240124
>>508240404
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/22/2025, 1:11:50 AM
No.508240255
>>508241200
>>508241799
>>508238757
to be honest anon you raise a good point that I can't refute definitively. a couple of things come to mind, however;
>Guam is isolated but as there are still areas of civilian airspace outside the military controlled bits relating to Anderson
>There hasn't been (as far as I know) a NOTAM issued like there was in Hawaii. Considering the openness of the tankers at launch and the refuel over HNL, I don't really see why they would introduce ambiguity/secrecy at this point.
>160,000 people live on Guam. I think at least someone, esp with the amount of knowledge of the flights already, would report on the takeoffs/landings, or lack of B-2 landings, were that to occur
but overall you may be right, and raise some valid points
>>508239338
this is true, but even if they took down cell networks it would only delay the information getting out- mushroom clouds are pretty noticeable, and nuclear explosions at night aren't exactly subtle. from what I've read, you may be right about the capabilities of the GBU-57, especially with the unknown factor of the quality of the concrete protecting Fordow - but I guess that could be softened up with an earlier bombing run. Also, as the MOPs have depth-linked fuses, it would be possible to launch a staggered series of drops with increasing depth to try and get through the expected layers of protection. just thinking off the top of my head now though
Anonymous
(ID: UQFqCV0O)
6/22/2025, 1:12:14 AM
No.508240283
>>508239338
Will we need to use a B61?
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 1:13:41 AM
No.508240404
>>508240765
>>508240124
Give me something a little more complicated. I will post like a 30 sec vocaroo. Black Sabbath is ez pz rhythm guitar stuff.
Cuntalini
(ID: xC8C9Nng)
6/22/2025, 1:15:00 AM
No.508240499
>>508207097
Why don't you drop the b.s escapade and grab ur ankles already, alrighty lil'lady.
Cuntalini
(ID: xC8C9Nng)
6/22/2025, 1:16:49 AM
No.508240664
>>508207193
Pix. Clits. Or nits.
Pick 3, you know the rules and..
Anonymous
(ID: ZbfVxRIa)
6/22/2025, 1:17:05 AM
No.508240690
sup bros
B-2 happening tonight?
Anonymous
(ID: UQFqCV0O)
6/22/2025, 1:17:42 AM
No.508240738
>>508206545
>>508206999
Same, hot as fuck outside but comfy on the inside.
Anonymous
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6/22/2025, 1:17:58 AM
No.508240765
Scouse
(ID: eTmt4pkF)
6/22/2025, 1:20:10 AM
No.508240944
//ALL STATIONS ALL STATIONS THIS IS BAKER BREAK
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>>508240846
I SAY AGAIN
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>>508240846
//THIS IS BAKER OUT
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 1:23:21 AM
No.508241200
>>508240255
I suppose so, but at that point wouldn’t it make more strategic sense to keep the b2’s out of sight from the civilian population of Guam and only have the the tankers land to refuel? For all we know right now, tankers could have taken off from Japan or Indonesia without a transponder to meet them in the middle and continue on. There’s so much we don’t know and most of this is speculation especially since we haven’t seen this level of aerial military activity since before internet flight tracking was widely available. I mean, we can’t track them, so all we can do is speculate.
Anonymous
(ID: NVE1Lcb3)
6/22/2025, 1:31:13 AM
No.508241799
>>508240255
But also about your point on Notam’s. That would directly affect the secrecy of the flight plan, and if they were going to go that route I think they’d have taken the shorter flight path across the Atlantic. I think their objective is more geared toward anonymity than efficiency at this point.
Cuntalini
(ID: 5roZlJOc)
6/22/2025, 1:45:53 AM
No.508243038
>>508237460
Fuck martinez
Or.. that what's going on down there, my underwears.
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