Thread 508187058

If you were to go up to a hooked with a fat stack of money and say 'I can either give you this money and leave, or I can give you this money and we can have sex. Your choice', how do you think she'd respond?

Assuming she isn't terrified of her pimp beating the shit out of her for not fucking the client or of her brothel madame withholding her meds. And assuming she believes you and doesn't think you're some kind of psycho playing a weird mind game.

Every hooker in the world will take the money and have you leave. Because she doesn't want to fuck you. No hooker has ever or will ever want to fuck a John. They sell their consent, but they don't want it.

If you fuck someone who doesn't want to be fucked, that's rape. Consent doesn't matter because you can consent to things you don't want. You can consent to cops searching your house because you're afraid. You can consent to a medical procedure because you feel you have no choice.

All Johns are rapists and prostitution should never be legal.

>>508187058 (OP)
>Legal Prostitution is Legal Rape
Why are feminists this stupid? Some women actually enjoy sex and like men. If they voluntarily want to work as sex workers either online or at a brothel, who are you to tell them no?

>>508187058 (OP)
>Someone comes to my work, asks me to fab him some glass panels for his custom PVC windows.
>Tells me 'I can either give you this money and leave, or I can give you this money and you can make my glass windows. Your choice'
>Take his money and ask him to leave.
Why would I ever do my actual work? Its practically rape.

>>508187058 (OP)
I think it should be legal to run a pol’s special rape train on OP’s underage daughter

>>508187058 (OP)
>Legal prostitution
>Pimp
??

>>508187058 (OP)
by your logic I'm getting raped working my non-sex job
I only consent to work because I want to eat and pay my bills

>>508188445
It wouldn't be rape because she's a gigantic slut anyway

>>508188544
The arguments against sex work have always been contradictory. OP sounds like a blue haired sjw

>>508188414
It's not rape because your job isn't getting fucked in the ass.
>>508188183
Not a feminist

>>508187058 (OP)
>Legal Prostitution is Legal Rape
And?

>>508188580
No, that's just a job. If your job was to get fucked then it'd be rape.

Rape is sexual.

>>508188828
>Rape is sexual.
that's, like, your opinion, man
I feel very raped when I have to get up in the morning and go to work, which means I am being raped

>>508188544
It works either way. Fucking an illegal prostitute is rape. Fucking a legal prostitute is rape.

>>508187058 (OP)
so doctors and cops are also rapists too by this logic.

>>508188963
the biggest rapists are proctologists
they ram their fingers into places that aren't even designed for sex

>>508188746
OP sounds like one and you're undoubtedly a feminist if you agree with his framing. It's used as a basis to ban prostitution in western countries. There are anti feminist countries that also ban it but they're authoritarian shitholes who bans everything that's fun, enriching or makes you feel alive.

>>508188746
everything is rape by OPs logic.

>>508188998
like my nose?

>>508187058 (OP)
legal prostitution is not rape the same way legal work is not slavery

>>508187058 (OP)
legalize rape

>>508189048
that ball of cotton on a stick that goes up your nose is akchually a dildo

>>508188998
Female gynecologists are the real rapists

>>508189107
imagine going to a female proctologist

>>508187058 (OP)
You never asked to be born.

You should blame your parents for cursing you with this life.

>>508187058 (OP)
>All Johns are rapists and prostitution should never be legal.
All employers are slave-owners and work should never be legal

>>508187058 (OP)
Yeah most people will choose quick cash over work. How about offer her the money to suck your dick or wash your car. She will be on her knees in an instant as proven by multiple videos.

>>508188183
Take a look at this faggy liberal. Get the fuck outta here this is a natsoc board

>>508189077
Work is necessary. Prostitution isn't.

If you're going to a hooker then you don't need that money. It's disposable income. You don't need the service you're buying.

Prostitution isn't equivalent to an actual job. It's not labor, so they're not equivalent.

>>508189178
I've heard many of them are easy on the eyes. I wonder if they try to stimulate their patients prostate

>>508189178
been there, done that. had a hard time hiding my boner

>>508189346
>I wonder if they try to stimulate their patients prostate
the prostate must be touched and felt around for cancer bumps, so...

>>508189301
Would it be a job with no contraception?

>>508187058 (OP)
Dumb Person, the thread

>>508189293
Liberals are usually in favor of the most revolting forms of degeneracy and oppose real and true liberty. That's why they oppose prostitution.

>>508188183
you are jewish

>>508189301
retarded argument. mcdonalds and all the jobs provided by this useless corporation is not needed, thus all those jobs are not actual jobs.

>>508189389
They'd prolong the examination on purpose to get a proper feel

>>508187058 (OP)
>all jobs are rape
Yeah, totally agree, everyone is either a rapist or a rape victim in the professional world.

>>508189301
>It's not labor,
it's only not labor if she's doing a shitty job of it
a good prostitute will labor, trust me

>>508189468
People need food to live.

>>508189301
>then you don't need that money
commies like you will get pic related

>>508189102
well thats disgusting.

>>508189432
You're a crypto feminist who supports misandrist laws that boosts hoeflation

>>508187058 (OP)
You can say no, you can do "no".
Doing neither means it is not rape.

You staying with an abuse pimp or madame is not the customer's concern.

>>508189538
mcdonalds is poison, not food.

>>508189557
Not a communist, Kowalski.

>>508189674
you're trying to tell me what I should or should not do with my money
that makes you a commie
you get the impalement spike

>>508189538
you dont get to decide which service is useful or not. prostitution is work, you just have a problem that it's a work that involves sex because you're a puritanical moron

>>508189568
but you are jewish though?

>>508189855
>you dont get to decide which service is useful or not
Raping hookers isn't useful for anyone.

>>508189934
it's not rape, they consent
they even advertise and encourage customers

>>508189813
You shouldn't withdraw all of your money in small bills, roll them into a tube, and shove them up your dick hole.

>>508189934
also, it's plenty useful
my mood and the quality of my day goes up after I get a fuck
I become a calmer and more pleasant member of society
it's very useful to people who have to deal with me daily

>>508189934
i know logic is hard for abolitionist retards but a hooker is consenting to exchange a sexual service for money. it's not rape whether she likes it or not the same way working hard on a physical job is not slavery.

>>508187058 (OP)
I'll try to be charitable. I'll assume that the principles you're basing your argument on should apply to other transactions besides selling sex as well. If you don't think so, then we can talk about it later. So from what I understood, your argument is this:
>If someone would rather not give you a service or a product in exchange for your money, and just take your money instead, it makes the act of purchasing that act or product immoral.
The principle behind trade is that we're exchanging things of equal relative value: the thing I'm giving you is worth less to me that what I receive, and vice versa. Obviously, if you instead give a rational person the option to not give up anything in exchange, and to just take your money, they will do that instead. This applies to any transaction, not just selling sex. If you purchase a loaf of bread, but the baker would rather you just gave him the money, does that make the act of buying bread immoral? Are you a thief, because the baker doesn't *really* want you to take his loaf of bread? That's obviously ridiculous.

>>508189998
You can consent to things you don't want. If you fuck someone who doesn't want to get fucked by you then it's rape.

Consent isn't enough. Ideally you should be in a monogamous, long-term relationship with a woman who wants to fuck you.

>>508190146
> long-term relationship with a woman who wants to fuck you.
lmao you've never been in a long term relationship with a woman
not wasting more of my time on an incel armchair philosopher, bye

>>508187058 (OP)
>implying rape is a bad thing
At least the women get the money

>>508190144

>I'll assume that the principles you're basing your argument on should apply to other transactions besides selling sex as well.

Incorrect. Sexual things require different rules.

>>508190257
Okay, go back to raping hookers or whatever.

>>508190146
>You can consent to things you don't want. If you fuck someone who doesn't want to get fucked by you then it's rape.
you're contradicting yourself with those two sentences you absolute retard

>>508188183
>Some women enjoy sex
This is why I'm against prostitution. >:)

>>508189863
Nope. White straight man. How about you? Why are you a crypto feminist who supports misandrist laws?

>eat cake
>don't have it anymore
Help me, this isn't fair! I wanted to still have my cake but now I don't! I've been wronged! Something must change! Ban me from eating cake, ban bakers from making cake, I don't know, just make something illegal, quickly!

>>508187058 (OP)
Also. I don't want to work but my boss pays me to do it. I give my consent reluctantly. If he gave me the choice between taking the money with no work or working to earn the money, I would take the free money. Is my boss raping me?

>>508190334
Nonconsensual sex is rape.
Unwanted sex is rape.
Consensual but unwanted? Still rape.

>>508187058 (OP)
>Commerce is legal theft
Kill yourself you dumb ass bitch. It sounds like this life is too much for you.

>>508190428
>This is why I'm against prostitution
Women will get sex regardless, there's always ways to be a whore. You're supporting laws meant to punish men. No upsides whatsoever.

>>508190092
This is also a good point

>>508190502
Is your job to be fucked by your boss? If yes, then yeah I guess its rape. Otherwise no.

>>508187058 (OP)
Usury is also rape.
Everything is rape, having to look at your inbred face and being apart of the same society with you subhuman midwitt is also rape.

>>508188746
>It's not rape because your job isn't getting fucked in the ass.
No, that's her job.

>>508190520
>Consensual but unwanted? Still rape.
no. you need at least 3 digits IQ to understand so i understand it's hard for you to grasp that concept

>>508190631
Usury isn't rape but it is evil.

>>508187058 (OP)
>Assuming she isn't terrified of her pimp beating the shit out of her
That's not how it works with legalized prostitution retard.

t. My country HAS legalized prostitution.

>>508190573
See>>508190573

>>508190288
Even if we assume this to be the case, the act of taking another person's property without their consent still constitutes theft. We can argue that the magnitude of the seriousness of the act is different than having sex with someone without their consent (rape), but the basic outlined principle, that the lack of willingness to part with a product or service for free is necessary to establish consent would still apply. So by the outlined logic, purchasing a loaf of bread from a rational person would necessarily constitute theft and be unethical, even if we agree, that it would be more unethical to rape someone.

>>508187058 (OP)
by the same logic working is slavery / wrongful imprisonment etc.
I dont WANT to be a wagie, spending my time there with annoying coworkers and dealing with annoying problems. I fucking hate every second of it.
And yet, I sold my consent to be there and perform this work, even if I don't want to.
In exchange for money I spend my time in a place that I'd rather be elsewhere and perform tasks that I'd rather not do.
If you keep someone in a place where they don't wanna be, thats imprisonment, if you order them to do work they don't wanna do, thats slavery.

All employers are slavers and wageslaving should never be legal.

>>508190430
notice how jews hate when you just make definitive statements about morality without paying a rabbi? they're also obsessed with sex on a count of the fact they're all ugly unfuckable perverts. I spotted this jew quite easily.

>>508188828
>victim shaming

>>508187058 (OP)
What the fuck is going on over on adv

>>>/adv/33253825

>>508190883
>posts lies
>gets proven wrong
>dodges questions
Looks like you're the one living up to your own jewish stereotypes

>>508190783
Stop raping the OP with your arguments

>>508190723
it becomes rape because (OP) claims is doing something you dont want to is "rape"... that's his argument.

I dont want to pay ANY money back so ... it's rape.

>>508187058 (OP)
>t. has never gone to a whore bar
If given a free choice, whores pick the customers they like and get along with.

>>508189934
sex work is real work, chud.

>>508191052
notice how this jew is unable to ignore being called a jew and now it is only focused on me. I am in complete control. See how it tries to accuse me of what it itself is being accused of? jewish logic doesn't make much sense but it especially degrades when they're being mesmerized by a jew handler such as myself.
Pay close attention and remember to simply call them what they are because that's what they hate most and they hate being called a jew because they hate themselves.
pass this lesson along

>>508190783
>Even if we assume this to be the case, the act of taking another person's property without their consent still constitutes theft.
Sure.
But a consensual exchange of goods isn't theft.

Sex is uniquely important to the human condition and has to be treated with special rules. Consensual sex without desire is rape.

Let's say you're married. You ask your wife for sex. She says yes. But her body language is clearly uncomfortable. She flinches away from you. She's not getting wet. She's obviously not enjoying it. Do you keep going? The sex would be consensual.

A hooker 'consents'. That's not enough. You need both consent and enthusiasm. It's not equivalent to something like labor or the exchange of actual goods or services.

>>508187058 (OP)
>no woman could possibly like both money and cock
:/

>>508191422
>everyone in the world is a jew if they disagree with me
isn't the argument you think it is. Tone down the mental gymnastics now, it's only an indictment of your incoherent position.

>>508188746
>your job isn't getting fucked in the ass.
Sure as shit feels like it is some days.

I just go to the AMP and get what I can get.

OP is obese and scared of being laid naked on a table because he's very ashamed of his obesity. I get complements for being ripped they appreciate me and I appreciate them it's a nice time when I'm with the mid Asian milf at the massage parlor legit makes me feel good about myself and appreciate women

>>508191910
i bet you wish you could post a non-hooked non-jewish nose just to shut me up but you simply can't

>>508187058 (OP)
You have a cartoonish vision of prostitution. These women want to get fucked by strangers and then paid for it. And you think she's getting raped?

You simps talk about women like they're retarded and need to be managed by their fathers or next-best male relatives. It's almost like we agree or something.

>>508191774
>Sex is uniquely important to the human condition and has to be treated with special rules
we dont care what you arbitrarily decide to treat with special rules

>>508191774
>Sex is uniquely important to the human condition and has to be treated with special rules. Consensual sex without desire is rape.
Okay, but then your statement is just that "it's inherently unethical to purchase sex". That's fine, you can have that position, but then it's not really an argument, but a value statement. Which is different from the statement presented in the OP, which was clearly trying to reason something in a way that doesn't really hold up, because it falls apart when applied to other things. Purchasing other services without satisfying the laid out criterion for consent would constitute slavery. Purchasing goods would constitute theft. But if the argument only works for sex because of inherent qualities of sex, then that argument built on top of it doesn't really work.

>>508187058 (OP)
OP, have you heard of taxes yet? They don't tell you in school that the IRS will hunt you down if you don't pay tribute to babylon. Is that rape? Because women have to pay taxes, too. Want to save your local women? Put a 100% tax on your local IRS agent's oxygen supply.

>>508192669
It's not an opinion unique to me. We treat sexual crimes as more serious than non-sexual ones. We have SVUs. Sexual trauma is especially crippling to a human's well-being.

A convicted rapist is treated more negatively by society than a convicted murderer.

>>508187058 (OP)
>Legal Prostitution is Legal Rape
false
It's a business transaction.

>>508192849
Taxation is theft.

>>508192953
REGALIZE LAPE! REGALIZE LAPE!

>>508192792
Consent is completely unique from desire. They're different things. You can consent to what you don't want and want what you don't consent to.

For a transaction to not be theft it just needs to be consensual. It's sex that requires that extra criteria of desire.

If that married man in that hypothetical I presented kept going would you consider that rape? If not rape, would you still consider it a moral action?

>>508187058 (OP)
so if you're a waiter, do you have to love your customer to serve them their meal? No, you exchange your time and your knowledge to a company in exchange of money.
if you don't like your job, is it considered rape? It's not our fault is the market is designed to be the easy way out is selling your body.
I don't even know why prostitution is illegal, you're either a kike or a leftist faggot, let them make money without having to work in bad conditions and linked to mafia

>>508187058 (OP)
That's hot

>>508192909
consenting to exchange a sexual service for money is not rape and no amount of seethe will change that, it's legal in many countries and women will whore themselves out even in countries where it's forbidden because they prefer to earn 10 times more money spreading their legs than working a shit retail job.

>>508193497
You don't think legal brothels have ties to the mob? Prostitution and human trafficking are adjacent.

Legalizing prostitution increases demand. In turn, they now need more supply. Surprisingly, most women don't want to be hookers.

Legal brothels means more human trafficking which means more more organized crime.

>>508187058 (OP)
All sex is rape

>>508193431
>If that married man in that hypothetical I presented kept going would you consider that rape? If not rape, would you still consider it a moral action?
until very recently it wasn't considered rape in our societies and it's still not considered rape in most countries. hookers not really sexually desiring their clients is already priced in in the insane price they earn per hour compared to another unskilled job

>>508193891
>until very recently it wasn't considered rape in our societies and it's still not considered rape in most countries

Most countries are incorrect then.

>>508187058 (OP)
That's why they call it "work."

>>508187058 (OP)
>If you fuck someone who doesn't want to be fucked, that's rape. Consent doesn't matter because you can consent to things you don't want. You can consent to cops searching your house because you're afraid. You can consent to a medical procedure because you feel you have no choice.

So rape is rape, as long as a woman says no, but murdering children in the womb, forced vaxxinations (yes, forced, not coerced), and anything you agree with is still okay?

You are right that prostitution should lead to punishment, but of BOTH the man and the woman, not just one.

>>508187058 (OP)
By this logic having to do work to get money is also rape so you should just give me money and fuck off

>>508193707
>You don't think legal brothels have ties to the mob?
yes because it's the best way to launder cash from drug trafficking
>Surprisingly, most women don't want to be hookers
most women don't want to work physical jobs. and many hookers cannot imagine themselves working a shit retail job.

>>508194035
>You are right that prostitution should lead to punishment, but of BOTH the man and the woman, not just one.

I agree.

Murdering babies in the womb is wrong. Forced medical procedures are wrong.

>>508194062
see
>>508188746

>>508193431
(1/2)
Okay, but you're not really disputing my assessment. You're just adding other qualifiers to show how it's different to purchase sex, because of inherent qualities of sex. It's still a value statement that, and the argument in the OP still doesn't work. But we can move past it and engage with what you're saying here, because it's a bit strange to me.
>It's sex that requires that extra criteria of desire.
If you're going to use that as a criterion for sex to be consensual, then can you ever really know whether you're having sex with anybody ethically? Because who knows why the person you're having sex with is doing it. A person may have sex with you because they want to hurt their partner and you're available. They don't desire you, it's just the most convenient to accomplish their goals. Voila, you just committed rape. Or a gold digger marries you for money. They don't desire you, but give you every indication that they do. Voila, you just committed rape. Can you really ever know whether someone actually desires you before having sex with them? They can just lie for whatever reason. I don't think tying consent to the internal state of someone's mind is reasonable. Tying it to signs that can be reasonably interpreted as communicating desire makes more sense. Now what signs and what totality of them is actually reasonable to conclude that someone desires you, that's a separate issue.

>>508187058 (OP)
Wanting daddy govt to hold your hand and wipe your ass from cradle to grave is niggersexual

>>508195944
(2/2)
>If that married man in that hypothetical I presented kept going would you consider that rape?
Before I answer, I think it's important to establish, that I believe there's a spectrum to rape. If we define it as having sex with someone without their consent, then naturally that's something that we end up with. At worst I of course believe that it's absolutely horrible and one of the worst things you can do to somebody. But let's consider a scenario where a wife wakes her husband up with a blow job. Did the guy consent to it? No, he was asleep. Was it sex? Sure, oral sex. So it is in fact rape, and it is bad. But is it horrible? I don't think so. I frankly don't think it's a big deal. I definitely would not send the woman to prison over it. Okay, so with that in mind, let's consider your scenario. Is the wife's desire being communicated in a way, that can be reasonably interpreted as indicating desire? I don't think so. Hence I think it would qualify as rape. So my answer is "yes". But I don't think it's horrible. One of the people may simply not be in the mood, but does it for their loved one. It's fairly common in relationships. It's still bad, but I definitely wouldn't send anyone to jail over it.

>>508194168
Anti abortion=pro nigger

Nigger lovers are enemies of america

Into the ovens you go

>>508194243
Ok it's not rape, it's slavery

>>508195944
>If you're going to use that as a criterion for sex to be consensual, then can you ever really know whether you're having sex with anybody ethically?

Case by case basis. If a date or your wife or even a stranger you pick up in a bar, for example, consents to sex with you and gets aroused then it's probably ethical. If it's a hooker then they're pretending for the money. If they wanted to fuck you then wouldn't have to pay.
>Did the guy consent to it? No, he was asleep. Was it sex? Sure, oral sex. So it is in fact rape, and it is bad.
Implied consent exists. It's not rape to wake up someone you're in a relationship with oral sex, it's rape if you're told to stop and you don't.

>Hence I think it would qualify as rape. So my answer is "yes". But I don't think it's horrible.
I think all rape is horrible.

>>508197507
>Implied consent exists.
I can't get behind the idea, that initiating sex with someone that's literally unconscious constitutes implied consent, if they're in a relationship with you. Seems like a slippery slope.

>>508197507
So if the hooker is aroused, it’s fine?

>>508187058 (OP)
i literally dont give a shit about the plight of the poor whorerinos id beat them all to death and rape them if they were fuckable and didnt have stds