Thread 508210832

Have humanity forgotten how to draw and paint?

Actually, literally, yes. We lost a lot of handmedown knowledge when abstract bullshit took over the academies.

If you mean like 19th century realism, yes.Because they trained specific skills that are not taught anymore. Some try with these ateliers but they exported third hand murrikan knowledge from french academies back to Europe, and they usually have no taste.

>>508211179
posted the guy cause hes also a frog btw, of course hes not 19th century

>>508210832 (OP)
No, it's judeo-capitalism that caused art to die out. There simply is no reason to paint nor to buy paintings nor can most people afford paintings anyway. Every corp is now slapping computer generated imagery everywhere.

>>508210832 (OP)
No. Photorealistic painting just fell out of style due to the invention of photography

and sculpt

>>508210832 (OP)
Its an useless profession. It was made obsolete by photography and basically 10 times more obsoleter with AI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZygpti-lMM

>>508211684
>Cameras can replace human skill
then why AI fags can't make something beyond the same 5-6 pictures with 1girl, solo, prompts and some random amateur phographic renders.

I've given up on AI because it can only make hyperpolished garbage.

I'm artist, basically if i was commission to make something in the classical style i'd have to learn it. there are people that do this, but it's really just boomers now not a great market for it, i have paintings my uncle made framed before he died and they are classical style but it took decades to learn..

as for statues.
>hire models, good ones not a girl with a dick. actual female models then you do a gel body cast and you can scan that for information or scan the models body then just have a machine carve it.

If you want expensive art just buy some expensive art.

>>508211654
>and sculpt
huh?

>>508211411
Drawing and painting is more popular now because everyone is sick of the digital onslaught. The actual act of drawing and painting is peaceful. It may not translate to red dot fortunes but it's still a valued pastime that people come back to

>>508212185
That's a straight woman from China.

>>508210832 (OP)
art is hard
I used to draw as a kid, takes a lot of time to improve towards realism
most modern people cheat and have no skill
like the grid jews
I hate the grid jews so much
they destroyed art for me, I hate them more than AI
FUCK THE GRID JEW COPY CATS YOU ARE NOT ARTISTS
FUCK YOU

>>508212361
oh am sorry but do you have a single source to back that up?

>>508210832 (OP)
No many plywood painters but Jews won’t let good art become fashionable

>>508212433
oh you must be a grid jew
I hate you

>>508212185
Honestly a bit tacky

>>508210832 (OP)
I still draw.

the way i hear it is more like they got bored

its a weird phenomenon in painting, sculpture, music, architecture, philosophy, etc. where for a while there they were coming up with the most beautiful stuff and suddenly it all got weird and bent out of shape sort of because they gave it up

>>508210832 (OP)
Old books are the best
https://ia801607.us.archive.org/24/items/practicescienceo00speerich/practicescienceo00speerich_bw.pdf

Sadly AI steals artists and makes having a job as an artist hard. Also retard NPCs fill their walls with painting copies and posters instead of buying real paintings

Abstraction has been around for centuries, thousands of years, it's not just a Modern thing. Modern not meaning contemporary (something anons do not understand). No anon can judge art via a screen. The pieces mentioned above are multidimensional and large in scale. The lighting and colors are all wrong, who's to say what is and isn't real unless it's up close? I always see dummies on here happy enough to trade pixels, but there's no such thing as digital art or AI art. It doesn't pass and if you were to try and claim such irl you'd be laughed at and mocked. Only mammals can create art. That's how it's always been vs. cheap images. You at least draw and paint when you're young, hopefully. There will always be mark-making and assemblage.
>>508212361
>Improve towards realism
What a retarded statement.

>>508211489
Photorealistic painting is just a tool. It can be used to produce things that the artist imagines such as expressions etc. would be fun for modern memes and situations to be painted in a renaissance fashion

>>508213033
>What a retarded statement.
There is many techniques and methodologies you have to learn when attempting realism with lifestyle drawing
proportions, shading, perspective, drawing as a way of seeing and defining forms from a way in an outline can be incredibly difficult if you don't understand concepts and foundations of realism
it takes a lot of time and understanding, not using gimmicks such as being a grid jew
therefore you are the retard for your abject lack of understanding

>>508210832 (OP)
No, fine artists are still around. We're just inundated with whoever "they" tell us is great.

>>508210832 (OP)
No. There's probably more talent for drawing, painting, and sculpting than ever before.

https://youtu.be/zWvDgBfBRzY

>>508213938
And amazingly it doesn’t see the light of day (paid for it by rich people)

>>508213938
I mean most talented artists are starving

Pre-modern art implied a sense of permanence. The modern world is conceived of as constantly and irreversibly changing. There is nothing to commemorate or remember. There are only distortions of reality presented in abstract and post-modern art. We knock down our monuments and old buildings. We melt our artifacts.

>>508214079
https://youtube.com/shorts/fDm8Aj6xuDM

>>508214137
>mfw patreon fags are making american wages by making poorly drawn hentai

honestly now is easier to make a living doing art, as long as your source of income are furries and pedophiles.

>>508214244
Im so sick of this shit

>>508213938
Bug people mechanically reproduce Western art. They are like 3D printers or synthesizers.

>>508212999
Good drawings to do studies from, I might go though this and do a few. Too bad the scan isnt as high quality as I hoped.

>>508210832 (OP)
Giovanni Gasparro made this recently. Amazing art about St Simon of Trent who was a baby killed by kikes for a blood ritual

>>508212361
Can you clarify what you mean by grid jew?
I think I have an idea as my sister has taken a right hemisphere art course that taught her how to copy a photograph. Is that what you mean?

>>508214990
begginers are confused over the purpose of a grid, and they assume realism is the same as tracing references.

>>508214657
You are retarded if you really believe this

>>508210832 (OP)
What's there to paint ? there's no more beauty in the world

>>508210832 (OP)
Ever notice how only European Christian societies have ever been any good at painting and as soon as that went away so did these skills? Even the Greeks and Romans as good as they were at sculpting painted like shit. Asian paintings the same

>>508214244
aw, come on. That's easymode. Just hammer all away that doesn't look like a lion's head

>>508215258
people

>>508215258
places

>>508214754
Search for the same title in other websites too. The best drawing books are pre 1920 and copyright-free

>>508214754
For example check this version may be better https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14264

>>508215367
They're good at separate skills.

Muslims excells in geometric patterns.
Arabesque is as beautiful as western art, and I doubt westerners have been able to surpass muslims in geometry.

Mongoloids seems to excell rather in imaginative non realistic idealism.
Everything mongoloids draw seems to be imbued by a moe type of beauty.

The primitive races are better when they depict art as some spiritual experience.

The negroids seems to have rather a deep spiritual conection with the death.
Same with mexicans, which art steems deeply from being a religious experience with their gone relatives.

>>508215541
a non-fat-uggo female that isn't a prostitute?! unbelievable

>>508214754
This one is good too
Charles Barbie drawing course
Has casts to draw etc
https://archive.org/details/CharlesBargueDrawingCourse/mode/1up

>>508215541
>>508215670
That's nice, if i stay a while in those places, will i see niggers , sandniggers or any kind of nigger variation (zoomers with phones) ?

>>508210832 (OP)
Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.
Romans were decent painters, then christian and islamic retards banned the arts through huge regulation.
I sense a similar cultish behaviour rising with this sjw shit.

>>508210832 (OP)
No. There are plenty of master painters out there. Imagine coding a bot or getting paid to ask this on the internet.

>>508216226
"decent"
Oh stfu, roman culture (small period of 300 years) outweighs the culture of the entire world combined even if you take the last 2000 years cumulative.

>>508210832 (OP)
>Have humanity forgotten
have niggers forgotten that 'humanity' is singular and goes with 'has' and not 'have'?

>>508216146
Bargue* (fuck autocorrect)

>>508210832 (OP)
I wish I could catch that many big fish in one day

>>508216146
prints of casts arent casts and you still need a teachr to point out when your values are wrong.

>>508210832 (OP)
No, theres still plenty of god tier artists. Their is no real support for them business wise both because jews value ugliness but also because the consumers only want slop

>>508217803
Drawing from reality is best I agree

>>508213445
You and this grid Jew achieve the exact same outcome.

>>508214657
That's an idiotic comparison, printers and synthesizers.
>>508215367
This is headcanon.

>>508218211
Geometrization of drawing lead to 1950s bad art. The line expression is what made artists like leonardo good. It’s like using lines for emotional effect and this can’t be done with cookie cutter “ draw triangle” “ draw cube” “ draw circle” etc spproaches. The best of memes have this line drawing emotional effect, thinks like wojak etc

>>508211179
They used cameras

>>508214421
get back to work

>>508210832 (OP)
You do get hyper realism painting now, which didnt exist before. Reminder, that before actual photos, paintings were instagram/photoshop filters to make you look great

>>508215258
It brings me great joy to draw anime girls.

>>508215541
she's very pretty

>Have humanity forgotten how to draw and paint?
>>508210832 (OP)
>>508211654

No. There is so much great art out there which is being totally suppressed while the kike is promoting modern art.

>>508215258
What is it not to paint? Look into history, religion, movies, games or whatever.

Paint a large as fuck oilpainting of Vlad Dracula having his dinner under the speared enemies. Don't forget symbolism inside it.

Literally the last and only truly classical painter here. Gay soulless realism or (((classical realism))) need not apply. No I'm not posting my work here for you retards.

>>508210832 (OP)
You're one of the 2 people on earth that only care. So why would someone like myself bother?
>>508211489
>>508211684
This is true. Nothing can replace a classically tempered hand, though AI dares to encroach on even that.
>>508216146
Bargues lol. Mastered that shit in school 15 years ago and mine are still the best Bargues I've ever seen since. So much so that they literally, and I mean LITERALLY, make kikes seethe. I personally don't value this elementary practice much.
>>508217936
Name some names nigger. I can think of less than 5 fine artists I admire and none of them are classical, though some try.
So many try and FAIL.
>>508214887
Case in point. There is nothing classical about this nigger's work whatsoever. Not a thing except for some of the effects. A+ for effort though.

>>508210832 (OP)
I hate cobblers because women want me to work

We stopped feeling the form.

Apu literally has more sovl, wit, than any painter dealing in realism. Same with marvs, peepos. Kek.

>>508212361
Same I used to take realism cours when child. A lot of failed painters become anti semite for some reasons.

This is one of my favorite apus. It speaks to the soul, and to the human condition, the task of bearing pain a human must go through. It transcends levels of irony while evoking as well as depicting a genuine and sincere emotion. So crudely depicted, yet the pained look of agony on Apu is as real as it gets.

A fag like Kent Monkman could not attain this level of sincerity.

>>508222544
Painting needs a trained eye. That tends to detect Jewish tricks too. Look another realist painters site full of conspiracy theories

There are plenty of artists who can make realistic and beautiful traditional portraits or sculpts. You just don't care to look for any of them or support them in any capacity but want to complain. People also just use photographs, digital, 3D, or AI now for whatever needs they have with modern art.

>>508216146
>>508215924
>>508215754
Thanks!

>>508223208
Based. Kent milkman didn’t know but seems based in another way too lawl

>>508223208
The bent elbow versus the straightened arm crutching the weight of the pained Apu...
The bent posture forms a diagonal line from the upper right corner to the lower left.

He is suffering and the viewer feels it.

Sometimes masterworks are where you least expect them.

>>508223770
Yeah I agree, he kind of is based in his own sick, deranged way. I actually like this painting by him.

>>508223208
>>508224284
This guy has no clue on composition, or colors lol.

>>508217936
This and consumers don't know what's good anyways, they just consume whatever is trendy and what they're told to consume. Furthermore, most people have no clue to the work that's involved in creating something visual. That's been lost on the masses due to mass consumption and instant gratification over the decades.
They say anyone can become an artist, but the truth is most can't because they simply don't have the personality type of an artist, and their brains don't work in that capacity. Which is fine, not everyone needs to or should be an artist.

>>508224590
Proofs? A critique is useless without them, if that's what you're aiming for.

The composition is near perfect for both pictures. Obviously colorism is not the strength for apus/pepes, nor is it sought to be in most. That shitty autistic colorism is part of the charm. The colors in the Monkman are actually good especially for acrylic paint. He didn't make the central figure's attire tomato red or anything. The bright blue on the right is the only flaw I find color-wise.

For some reason real paintings on a wall never get old or boring. Photos and posters get boring

>>508226148
on the left*

>>508226148
The apu ones are fine. Im talking about Kent. The value are all over the place, the whole entire piece is super busy. Meaning, your eyes dont flow though the piece well, there are things happening everywhere. He has some direction in >>508224284 where the spearman in the back points down to the right, where the axe indian is and how the beaver on the bottom left points towards it but overall there isnt much contrast and light way too brightly. Also the beavers in the sky are just regular sitting beavers, they arnt even "flying" he could have draw them like they were swimming in the sky and that would look more like they were "flying" but instead he decided to go for more of a UFO floating up instead. Also they are kinda huge if you bring them forward to the camera.
Considering thats one of his better ones too, his other shit is just slop.

There are painters and illustrators who do all kinds of traditional art the old way. But now AI will also fuck them over even more.

>>508227860
Instead of machines doing the boring work they steal the creative work money. Pathetic machines

>>508210832 (OP)
*Has humanity forgotten how to draw and paint?

I wish I was better at art but I'm terrible. I also like classical music but I'm not a good musician. In school I used to just play random shit on my trombone lol and the teacher would always get mad at me when he would randomly test us. I would just copy the movements of my fellow trombone players. I played trombone for 8 years in school and managed to never learn how to read music kek

>>508228260
But most pathetic is end audience that prefers soulless ai slop to real art

>>508227334
I see what you mean by the busyness of the picture, but he also provided a serene landscape, sky/water/trees in the distance/background for the eye to retreat to, when exhausted by the busyness, and then come back to the action with renewed vigor. I think the composition works. Now that you pointed it out, those ascending beavers do need to have their hind legs in a different position (swimming like you said)
And I see what you mean about the contrast and saturation of the colors. Acrylic paintings tends to be like that by default. Out of all the colors I only really hate the saturated blue robe on the left.

>his other shit is just slop.
Agreed. The beaver one is actually the only good piece I've seen by him and the only one I like.

>>508223208
holy fuck i'm not the only one who knows about Kent Monkman? I posted his art here on pol a while back. He is a good painter and there is no doubting it. His paintings are very interesting

>>508227334
Youre right about the values but composition wise he makes the dioganals kind of obvious. It would be better if the flying beavers were smaller or higher up.

>>508228707
One of my favorite from him. The sky especially

>>508228894
Hes quite well known in the gayfaggot art space (hyperallergic etc.)

>>508211654
bottom right panel- dude's nuts are literally hanging out of his pants. lmao.

>>508210884
>lost knowledge
Get ready for this phrase to be commonly used in the next 50 years.

>>508229262
Kent monimans art is like he is in a swamp of filth (sodomy) but tries to get out by exercising the straight path of art

>>508229262
This nigga sold a painting for $320k last October. Hate him or love him, that's kinda based.

>>508229813
Monkmans*

>>508216893
you aren't even ashamed to admit you use autocorrect?

>>508229841
first nations in canada is very interesting

>>508229841
>Hohoho im quoting le arthistory but now characters are gay/black/female
Another retarded fad

>>508229841
>>508229841
Nigga's slam dunkin' bank with the most pozzed, color saturated acrylic paintings that blatantly plagiarize French classicists. Gotta respect that.
>>508230356
LMAO

>>508219124
I guess you mean the camera lucida bs. You think they did endless modeldrawing from life so they could use a meme gadget?

>>508230433
True.

we wuz

>>508229841
Mogged by the piece on the right.

>>508211179
There's a Photoshop filter for it today, which is really sad because it's not like how an old pocket watch is inferior to any cheap casio watch or the clock app on my phone. Something better has been replaced by something worse and almost noone seems to care.

>>508230787
My eyes hurt looking at left for more than 1.5 seconds. The disparity between the two is crazy.

>>508230302
Phone posting

>>508230783
Why do they have to debase everything? Is it lack of imagination that drives them to "remake" movies, cartoons, paintings?

>>508231228
If you squint your eyes, you should be able to see what the focus of the piece is, you can never see what it is for Kent's art.

>>508210832 (OP)
In time, we will forget how to do anything that does not make us money.

>>508232018

>>508230356

>>508210832 (OP)
No, but you’ve apparently forgotten tense. For sucks sake, frog.

>>508232626
Trying hard not to kneel rn

>>508232018
Oh yeah I've seen this one too. I think Kent Monkman is 2-spirit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

Or at least Monkman's alter ego, Miss Chief Eagle Testickle, which Monkman shows in his paintings, is two-spirit

>>508211971
>have a machine sculpt it
Maybe for stone,not my domain, but last time i checked, wood sculpting machines couldn't compete with humans in term of quality of surface.

Basically it was just "drills" not giving a shit about wood grain direction, something a carver really cares for and garanties a smooth surface.

>>508212185
the high beams really necessary?

>>508210832 (OP)
what fucking use is that going to be when you need to build shelter and anti brown fortifications?
Best learn how to machete and knife fight and shoot

>>508210832 (OP)
humanity
no
jews
yes

>>508212185
Of course, it takes an Asian lesbian to do a White man's job these days.

>>508211684
>useless

Art isn’t useless. Same way living around a decrepit, littered and ugly environment is depressing. Art is uplifting, it’s culture, and becomes part of history.