Thread 508224701

Looking at it genetically has to be the chernoles culture as that is the most likely home-land of proto-slavs. Well the culture pre-dating it at least. Slavs were then admixtured with Venedi people more West and called Venedi by Romans early on before again splitting in different branches (3 main ones for a long while), creating the first modern early Slavs. Slavs difference due to having various added admixture of assimilated groups. West Slavs are more Venedi and more influenced by Westoids clearly for instance while Southern Slavs & some East Slavs have more Carpathian/Balkanic admixture. East Slavs seem to have more Iranian admixture (most South Slavic is East-Slavic as well) and in some regions, Russians especially are more Finnic and such hapa-ish group influenced. Overall numerous groups influenced the ethnogenesis of early slavs. Both native Europid groups and more Eastern ones (though still in Europe imo).

>>508224701 (OP)
Ukraine is a shitskin mutt kick rocks beezy

>>508224797
A lot of Ukrainian women look absolutely beautiful Hernandez. Large Ukrainian regions especially up North are still very similar to early Slavs.

>>508224701 (OP)
The slavic difference is due to.* >>508224701 (OP)
Explaining the various distinct genetic clusters seen within Slavic groups.

>>508224983
All living Ukrainians are descended from thieves, traitors and whores. Those were the only Ukies to survive the Holodomor. You can thank the jews for this

>>508226080
>Ukrainians closer to Swedes than Russians
I piss and shit in your garbage thread

>>508227565
It's a Russian study I believe. Kek. It depends on the region. Obviously heavily Finnic or other such people admixtured Russians don't cluster with Ukrainians.

>>508227565
Give your opinion then. Let me guess we all came from Kyvian Rus somehow and we should all adapt such a Viking name as Slavic speakers?! Trololololololol.

>>508226109
Ok you're probably some Russian hating on people the Soviets first genocided during Stalinism and now Russians invaded to claim more land after becoming bigger in numerous largely ethnic Ukrainian regions of the past?

>>508227777
Southern Russian regions are obviously closer than most Swedes I would say to most Ukrainians genetically.

>>508224701 (OP)
The Pripyat is the homeland of the R1a and I2a-Din Slav males. This is pretty much settled science at this point. There were R1a migrations before in the early Bronze Age called Corded Ware but they’re different subclades and the Scythians were mostly R1a, also different from CW and Slavs. European history involves new men taking power out of circumstances and raping some region of women. The Romans and Macedonians were the only tribes that won through military skill.

Are slavs worse than gypsies and niggers, atleast we know where they come from.

>>508226109
>All living Americans are descended from thieves, traitors and whores
Ftfy

>>508227565
Couldn't get over the study being made by Russians could you? Lmao Alena Kushniarevich study. Seeeeethe. My intuition is rarely wrong, it's probably something like this plus more random admixture of even more Eastern/other groups, though largely at least Europid including far Eastern ones.

>>508224701 (OP)

hohol fanfiction

Dude. Faces of polacks look like these of scandies and turks or some krauts or russians. It's big clusterfuck. You can find all types.

>>508228406
Slavs in large segments have probably the hottest women on earth and a lot of geniuses during the ages. Why would you even take the word Slav into your mouth while comparing Slavs to Pajeets and Black people who clearly have more primitive racial strains on average. Are you a mentally insane ugly neanderthal-ish influenced Westoid or something? WTF. Kneel to Tesla, Malinowski, Bošković, Lavoslav Ružička, Mendeleev and endless others.

>>508230065
Nope there is even a Polish studies which points to the Polesia region and near it being the homeland of early Slavs. Give us your Polish fanfiction then. I'm not Ukrainian btw.

OP is correct. Slavs spread out from Pripyat Marshes.

>>508230392
you sound like a jeet

>>508230392
Chuvash women do mog Slavic Women though.

>>508230901
You type like a Pajeet. Though Pajeets in America are successful, so that's in insult to at least those people overall.

>>508228203
cope

>>508231088
You've posted it. Vandals had long left their original homeland.

>>508231236
cope

>>508231236
>>508231368

>>508231368
Debunked as false friends. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/wandilaz
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/winidaz

>>508231409
>Remnants.

>>508231088
The Royal vandals were Germanic I1. Vandals were a hodgepodge of people. Some of them were literally Roman citizens. How else can you explain vandals creating a navy in a few years despite being primitive barbarians? It’s like Calais illegals invading Britain and destroying the Royal Navy.

>>508232063
Possibly from trade links with the North Germanic Tribes. Germanic people were always proficient sailors, except Irmiones.

>>508231669
lmao cope
ive quoted only germans so far
>Siegmund (Sigismund) Freiherr von Herberstein[1] (or Baron Sigismund von Herberstein; 23 August 1486 – 28 March 1566) was a Carniolan diplomat, writer, historian and member of the Holy Roman Empire Imperial Council.

> His parents were Leonhard von Herberstein and Barbara von Lueg, members of the prominent German-speaking family which had already resided in Herberstein Castle for nearly 200 years. Little is known of his early life apart from the fact that he became familiar with the Slovene language spoken in the region. This knowledge became significant later in his life.

>In 1499, he entered the University of Vienna to study philosophy and law. In 1506, he entered the army as an officer and served in a number of campaigns. In 1508, he was knighted by the Holy Roman Emperor, Maximilian I, in person. In 1515, he entered the Imperial council, or Parliament, and began a long and illustrious diplomatic career.

>>508224701 (OP)
Przeworsk isnt Slavic retard
no major migrations took place during that time

>>508232190
Nope.

>>508232515
>The Przeworsk culture was probably not exclusively connected with a single ancient ethnic or linguistic group. In classical ethnography, the culture was linked to a group of peoples known as the Lugii. Among specific Germanic peoples, the Przeworsk culture is often associated with the Vandals, although they were probably only one ethnic element within the culture. Also, the Przeworsk culture has been linked to the early Slavs,[11][12][13] with recent studies, which looked at the morphological features of skeletal remains, suggesting that populations of the Przeworsk, Wielbark, and Cherniakhovo cultures from the Roman period bore closer similarities to the early medieval West Slavs than to the medieval Germanic-speaking populations.[14][15] Another archaeological study rejected a connection with and continuity of the early Slavs.[16]
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>>508231368
>>508231409

>>508232515
It's part of the early Slavic ethnogenesis beyond obviously. Learn to read and you're the retard as Slavs spread well into all directions. RETARD.

>>508232207
Older sources doesn't make linguistics the truer unless there's no contradictory information as it was in it's infancy, there is plenty of contradictory information which points to two separate Germanic roots for different concepts.

>>508232550
Do you have information to the contrary? You know Nordic Bronze Age was both Continental and Scandinavian which points to active travel between the places?

>>508233013
during roman times germania was geographic area and all people living in germania were germani while scandinavians werent germani
and no matter what group vandals were in antiquity by early medieval they were all slavs
but there is lots of clues that vandals were west slavs all along
like the fact vandals and lugii never appear in single source
some roman/greek historians used term lugii while other vandals
lugii were also associated with lech river
but lechites was names for early slavs
slavic name
while german name was vandali/wenden
and romans got this name from germans since they met them earlier

>>508232515
I didn't claim them to be soley Slavic which if you actually had any intellect would have been obvious to see reading this OP/thread. Man this site is full with comical people. Give your take overall on the origin or leave.

>>508233287
Vandals and Slavs were like Pre-Migration Magyars and Bashkirs, different peoples but strongly aligned in cultural practices. Though in this case I believe Vandals dominated Slavs until the Goths became more dominant and pushed them out, themselves leaving for Spain, Italy and Crimea leaving Slavs to the lands, Vandalic is attested and was East Germanic.

>>508233248
So, you're an imbecilic Hitlerite believing fag who takes that comically retarded theory of his seriously. Must be the small bit of extra Denisovan, we wus kangz and shit the ancient Greek were Nordic and shit nigga. Kek. & Extra neanderthal.

>>508233567
By then in North Africa.

>>508233578
Wuz Kangz. Bump.*

>>508233567
nope vandalic isnt attested
all historians assume gothic=vandal not based on linguistic sources but "historic"
and i just posted some of those historic sources
>Vandalic was the Germanic language spoken by the Vandals during roughly the 3rd to 6th centuries. It was probably closely related to Gothic, and, as such, is traditionally classified as an East Germanic language.[1]:9 Its attestation is very fragmentary, mainly due to the Vandals' constant migrations and late adoption of writing. All modern sources from the time when Vandalic was spoken are protohistoric.[2]:43–44

>Vandalic is traditionally classified as an East Germanic language,[3]:4[4] though the reasons for this classification are mostly historical and not linguistic.[1]:7 Due to the perception of Vandalic as an East Germanic language, its reconstruction from onomastics recorded by Greek and Roman sources relies on Gothic forms. Therefore, it is difficult to assess whether or not Vandalic is closely related to Gothic.[1]:9

>Theories include that Vandalic together with Gothic and Burgundian formed a dialect continuum;[5] that the language of the Vandals was actually Gothic;[2]:47

its all the result of german wewuzing that started with schism when they tried to keep HOLY roman empire together by making it *of german nation* and then going on their rants that actually everything is german

>>508232515
It must be Germanic mainly right, just like the Romans were Germanic, ancient Greeks and even the Japanese thank their creativity to our Germanic Aryan retard theory overall. Hhhhhhhhhh

>>508224701 (OP)
Slavs are East Euro hunters and when the Huns kicked the Tocharians out of Cetral Asia they became the Slavs. This is why the Polish nobility was Sarmatian.

>>508227920
>Kyvian Rus
dumb hohol drop the meme flag, you ain't fooling anyone

>>508234180
nope its not true
we started calling ourselves sarmatians when constantinople collapsed and greek refugees started spreading around europe reaching also poland
then our chronicler jan dlugosz started talking with them in latin and learned that they perceive slavs as sarmatians
so we embraced it
its not like its far from truth since culturally/linguisticaly early slavs were very close to rest of scythians
>Pliny the Elder places the Veneti along the Baltic coast. He calls them the Sarmatian Venedi (Latin: Sarmatae Venedi).[4] Thereafter, the 2nd century Greco-Roman geographer Ptolemy in his section on Sarmatia, places the Greater Ouenedai along the entire Venedic Bay, which is equivalent to the southern shores of the Baltic. He names tribes south of the Greater Venedae along the eastern bank of the Vistula and further east.[5]

>Among the Byzantine authors, the Gothic author Jordanes in his work Getica (written in 550 or 551 AD)[7] describes the Veneti as a "populous nation" whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land". He describes them as the ancestors of the Sclaveni (a people who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early 6th century and who were the early South Slavs) and of the Antes (East Slavs). Specifically, he states that the Sclaveni and the Antes used to be called the Veneti, but are now "chiefly" (though, by implication, not exclusively) called Sclaveni and Antes.

>>508234586
Triggered. Russians have a viking name as an origin that is pretty much a fact and doesn't make sense to me. >>508234189
Polish/West slavic centric. I agree that Venedi people went East and mingled with the other groups mentioned, not that they are the OG Slavs looking at markers which point to Polesia mainly. They helped create early Slavs. Early slavs don't have just one origin and neither did Lusatians obviously.

>>508233248
Just reading this is so comical. It's insane how retarded Nazism was in it's pure comical chauvinism. No wonder Westoids are now running Europe again largely. >>508231013
An insult.*

>>508233248
Kek imagine saying this then getting curb stomped by the people you insulted

>>508235987
>Slavs always require a master
>No wonder Westoids rule now
Ironic.

>>508224983
this is unrelated to the thread's topic.
What's the general spanish opinion of the balearic islands? is it shitty or favorable?

>>508236478
No idea I just use this meme flag as it makes people seethe more who generally deserve it and I liked the region while visiting it.

>>508236951
>No idea I just use this meme flag as it makes people seethe more who generally deserve it and I liked the region while visiting it.
damn, well what do you think of the area when you visited? like, beyond just liking, what was it like?

>>508237117
They have a lot of good looking women and people in general. You don't stick out if you look decent/good. It had a nice Church and active nightlife. There are a lot of Pajeets and other minorities who ask if you want to do cocaine often while waking. The Food was nice and people were generally kind. I almost got scammed by a Pajeet who gave me a different color small statue of said big Church (uglier).

>>508237587
damn, I fucking hate pajeets. very sad.
The rest sounds nice though. thx.