Thread 508438082

then all relationships are fake, because all men project their inner-soul (anima) image onto a woman. But the woman isn't a soul, she is a person.
The one true woman lives somewhere inside, and once you meet her, you don't need an external woman to give you attention, the one inside of you will give you all the attention you need, and she will be true real one you were searching for so long.

>>508438082 (OP)
look beyond the Anima

>>508438442
>look beyond the Anima
I tried and only saw jews

>>508438548
There are many, many jews, indeed.

>>508438082 (OP)
And she's called the Holy Spirit. And she's actually the Lord, and we are actually the Lord's bride.

Jung is a Christian with similar beliefs, you know I'm right on this one.

>>508438082 (OP)
I know exactly what he's saying. After many casual and "serious" relationships, including a marriage I had to terminate and a "true love" back when I was 17-- I have become completely disillusioned of women. But I know that "one" is really literally my other half. It's just the other side of me. I encountered her once on mushrooms. All romance is pain. Starting to think the Buddha was right-- annihilation of self is the only way to make the pain stop

>>508438704
>And she's called the Holy Spirit. And she's actually the Lord, and we are actually the Lord's bride.
She can't be the holy spirit or the lord, because Animus is also part of Jung's archetypes. The Spirit and the Lord are closer to different manifestations of the Animus.
The Anima is the whimsical, chaotic, creative, artsy, erotic part of human nature - and this is what men fall in love with when they meet a woman they like. But such cannot be holy, it can only be sacred, if bound by the logos in a healthy manner.

Yes, anon, and once you've done that you can freely choose a partner not fruit of your perceived lacks and your need for artificial completion but as a companion through life. Doesn't mean you 100% need to, just that you can.

>>508439144
>Yes, anon, and once you've done that you can freely choose a partner not fruit of your perceived lacks and your need for artificial completion but as a companion through life. Doesn't mean you 100% need to, just that you can.
yes, however as Jung would agree - you can only choose a partner who had done similar work as you did when it comes to maturing psychologically. Because if you chose a partner that doesn't match you in your growth, it will be a messed up union.
And then Jung agrees that a very-very small fraction of the world population ever does soul-work at all, so you may fantasize about choosing a partner freely without projection, but the supply is more limited than free gacha pulls

>>508438082 (OP)
Jung was a hack, and his archetypes are wrong.

>>508439068
Jung is a Christian anon.

>>508439343
>Jung was a hack, and his archetypes are wrong.
to be fair, he doesn't have any archetypes that are solid, aside from Animus, Anima and Shadow (which represents masculine, feminine and suppressed)
He agreed that every person has his own unique archetypes, with unique names and functions, and it is up to the person to identify and name them. The spots for Superego, Ego, Hero, Wise Man, etc. are open to be taken by whatever the person conjures up

>>508438082 (OP)
>But the woman isn't a soul, she is a person.
Women do not have souls, nor all men do either. As for women, women are livestock, anything else is romcom fantasy copes.

>>508439476
>Jung is a Christian anon.
I'm not sure if Jung is an anon on this board, but him being a Christian means little - all of us are Christians if we were born in the west. We follow laws and constitutions that were designed by Christian mentality and philosophy. And there's a distinction between Christian denominations, between Cultural Christians, Theological Christians, Practicing Christians, etc.

Jung was a Cultural Christian

>>508439695
>Jung was a Cultural Christian
(and in many ways most westerners today are Cultural Christians, even if they call themselves atheists, they still follow Christian culture every day)

>>508439343
>a hack
This site is a hack. What do you believe?
Elusive memeflag anon.

reeeee! my psych-sloppa is better than yours

>>508438082 (OP)
I dont need attention I need to stick my dick into a nice moist hole and sometimes asshole after I give her the strawberry yogurt enema

>>508440361
>I dont need attention I need to stick my dick into a nice moist hole
you can easily achieve that without a woman

>>508438548
>I tried and only saw jews
lol

>>508439325
you are intelligent, anon.

>>508439900
>>508439325
Same Spain anon. You seem like a person I would get along well with.
What I wanted to say is, the Jungian journey doesn't automatically disqualify you feom having a partner. It just will be one not based in your insecurities.
I am in the middle of one, though, so I still have got a lot to learn.

Where do I start with Jung bros?

>>508438082 (OP)
carl jung a gnostic that spreads the demiurge and destroys people with that

>>508443418
7 sermons

>>508443418
you literally have AI at your disposal
just ask it:
"What is individuation by Jung?"
"What are Jung's archetypes?"
"How can I use Jung's archetypes to understand and integrate my inner pysche?"
"Whata are anima, animus, ego, superego, shadow by Jung?"
"Do I have other archetypes and how can I name them, find them, integrate them?"

Don't forget "talk to me like im 5 years old"

>>508438082 (OP)
>Seek true love and companionship
>??? (leftism)
>Cut off dick and harm yourself with dildos until you suffer from prolapse and incontinence, while believing all rewritings of history to hate your own people.
Have you ever considered that you might have been tricked into falling for an evil ideology that is created to hurt you?

>>508443817
have you considered that none of the
>citations
you mentioned had anything to do with the OP but just your own projections from your own insecurities?

>>508438082 (OP)
Yeah, your supposed to do that but also learn that projecting the anima onto others is the whole point. Your soul demands your folly not your wisdom.

>>508443940
>Yeah, your supposed to do that but also learn that projecting the anima onto others is the whole point. Your soul demands your folly not your wisdom.
yes, and the next step after that is you realising you're playing a loser's game

>>508443418
Approaching the unconscious, it's for the layman

>>508438082 (OP)
Freudoids mad

I'm gonna project my anima into the black mirror, stick her into a robot and marry her. This is the future, you can't change it.

>>508443565
Ha, he does something far worse, he unites good and evil under than banner of effectiveness and calls this deity Abraxis

Xenogears???

>>508444122
>Ha, he does something far worse, he unites good and evil under than banner of effectiveness and calls this deity Abraxis
technically this is no different from what christianity and many other religions do, including Taoism

Both Jung and Nietzche sort of dabbled in that

>>508443418
Don't. Start with Gentile or Gurdjeff

>>508439476
Jung once told the pope that Christianity was obsolete to individuation. He can be as heretical as you want him to be, just look

>>508444386
obviously, since the archetypes are very close to paganism than monotheism, but Jung would probably say that individuation is in a completely different ballpark from what any religion managed to achieve philosophically

>>508444256
I agree, Christianity got messy and Nietzche did all of this first.

>>508444521
If you love your anima you should at least get a hooker. Fantasy can only do so much. :P

>>508444821
>If you love your anima
I don't
I govern her as her equal

>>508444871
Sometimes archetypes just need to be noticed, the very act of this thread steals from that experience for us both.

>>508445006
>Sometimes archetypes just need to be noticed
what a short order, i notice them all the time

>>508443418
"The Undiscovered Self" and "Man and His Symbols" are good entry points.

>>508445047
If you notice your anima, then is she not trapped by you already figuring everything out and cockblocking your instinct?

>>508445250
>is she not trapped
oh she is, and she keeps complaining about it

>>508438082 (OP)
All the people calling you a troon are illiterates and autists who are reading your way too literally.
This is part of why anime is so irresistible to young adult men. It takes that perfect idealized "anima" and gives her form(s). This is probably sorta destructive to reproduction. It's hard to go back to 3D women who smoke weed, own dildos, get wet when they think of men who aren't you, etc. when you know of effective substitutes to projecting that "anima" onto a real woman for a few months until she betrays you

to clarify what I know so far, is that there's 5 kinds of relationships you can have with your archetypes:
- possession (when the archetype controls your life in malignant ways, or when you worship it)
- negligence/silence (when you are not aware of the archetype's existence)
- oppression/tyranny (when you overly control your archetype or oppress it because you don't want it in your life)
- governance/partnership (when you and your archetype help make your life better, in agreement)
- stagnation/rotting (when you stick to a certain level of maturity of the archetype and don't let them grow beyond that level)

>>508438082 (OP)
Women have an internalized ideal male image that leads them to become intolerable "girl bosses" that are vindictive, selfish, and controlling because they mistake that for masculine strength. Shit's fucked all over. Social engineering at work.

>>508446944
that's what Jung would call "Animus possession"
they have that image, but they don't have a healthy relationship with it, hence why they devolve into either girl-bossing or man-hating

In a way, a woman's relationship with her Animus is as fragile as a man's relationship with his Anima. Both need to do the soul-work to begin to govern them instead of being possessed by them

Or something

i read a lot of that stuff
but the cruel indifferent reality makes me wonder sometimes:
do you guys think that thinkers like Jung, and now us in this thread, are just reading into this too much? as in, we allow our imagination and hopes to project these "deeper" supposed meanings of life and woman/man dynamics?
i sometimes feel its all bulshit and nature just wants us to reproduce regardess of our personalities and stuff
the opposites truly attract however, and there is probably again biological basis and explanation for that, not psychological

>>508448041
>and nature just wants us to reproduce regardess
well if you give nature agency by saying it "wants" something from you, then you're already doing a Jung thing by defining nature as an archetype

wrong board, troon

>>508448041
https://youtu.be/YkHhc0CFDb8

>>508448156
thats not a Jung thing, sure he can invent and name stuff, but nature is way more primordial that Jung and his shit
he is building his imaginary system on the real thing, which is nature, not the other way around

>>508448248
archetypes are just forces/impulses, but they are all part of nature. If you say there is a "force of nature" that wants you to reproduce against all odds, you're again declaring an archetype
and that archetype is shared maybe by you and a number of other people, certainly not by all

jung had some fun ideas and some valid concepts but also his shit is absolutely fucking insane and the dude was bananas

>>508448335
I am not declaring an archetype, I am declaring that nature wants us to reproduce and thats the top priority
it is YOU who is declaring imaginary things with a fancy label called archetype

>>508448464
“Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you”

>>508448417
“Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you”

>>508448464
is the nature that only cares about your reproduction is forcing you to post your opinion on 4chan? Or is another force responsible for that?

>>508438082 (OP)
>you're alone because you haven't tapped into the power of the femme image you've allowed to subconsciously ferment in your noggin
death to this Jewish slave world.

>>508438082 (OP)
What do you think of MBTI?

>>508438082 (OP)
So very true. The skirt i chase inside of my dreams is the best skirt.