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>>508462651 (OP)
Imagine worshipping the Jewish god.

>>508462783
The Jewish 'god' don't believe in the afterlife.

>>508462783
Remove your foreskin or burn.

>>508462651 (OP)
God’s Perfect Timing — “In the Fullness of Time” (Gal. 4:4)
"But when the set time had fully come, God sent His Son..."

Everything was divinely aligned:

Roman Empire: Crucifixion—a Roman method—fulfilled Psalm 22, long before it existed.

Pax Romana: Peace and roads enabled the Gospel to spread quickly.

Greek Language: Koine Greek served as a common language to share the message widely.


Prophetic Fulfillment
Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies:

Psalm 22: “They pierced my hands and feet.”

Isaiah 53: The suffering servant bears sin.

Zechariah 12:10: “They will look on Me whom they have pierced.”
If He had been stoned (a Jewish method), these wouldn’t apply. It had to be Rome. It had to be the cross.


Jewish Calendar Connection
Jesus died during Passover as the true Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7).
At His death, the temple veil tore (Matt. 27:51)—symbolizing access to God.

Free Will + Divine Plan
Judas betrayed Him. Pilate compromised. Leaders schemed.
Yet Acts 2:23 affirms it was all part of God’s deliberate plan.
Even sinful choices fulfilled divine design.

Symbolic Geography
Jesus died outside the city (Heb. 13:12), like sin offerings.
Golgotha—“Place of the Skull”—speaks of death and sacrifice.
Some even believe His blood touched the hidden Mercy Seat.

Every Detail Mattered
No Passover? No perfect symbolism.
No Romans? No cross.
No betrayal? No arrest.
Yet every thread was divinely woven.
History held its breath as God’s plan unfolded.

>>508462651 (OP)
I cannot be "at peace" knowing that there are people suffering in some other realm.
If Hell is real, Heaven is not.

>>508462783
I know, imagine worshipping satan and money and thinkyou have no soul lmfao

>>508463158
>not worshipping the gods of your own people

>>508463138
Boohooo pussayyy

Imagine thinking you’re that important.

>>508462651 (OP)
Hell is for children.

There is no hell, the biblre says you will just burn to ash. Into nothing.

My JW friend said they don't believe in souls either and that was surprising to me. Surely it's just a misunderstanding.

>>508463138
Spend 20 seconds thinking about Heaven, Hell, eternity, consciousness without changing physical being....it's just all so stupid and childish on its face.

>>508462651 (OP)
>AAAAAAAHHHHHH I'M SORRY FOR PRAYING TO MARY
>>508463138
That's because you haven't circumcised your heart and fashioned your mind in the likeness of yeshua.
One of the very very few clear "perks" of heaven is that the faithful get to watch the damned be tortured. Any other benefit is described very vaguely.

>>508462651 (OP)
I don't need science to tell me that you're soulless.

Rip faggot

>>508462651 (OP)
>You have a boo boo

>>508462651 (OP)
every time

>>508463407
Woah, God's more evil than I thought. What age do children have to reach to stop worrying about going to hell then?

>>508462651 (OP)
Sure, bro. We'll all be sorry when we die and go to hell, because hell is definately real, right? And you'll be right there when god sends all the unbelievers there, and we'll all wish we'd listened to you. And you'll never have to listen to one of us disagree with you, or argue with you, or explain how you're wrong (which is impossible) ever, ever again. And then jesus will take all good believers like you out for ice cream, but we'll be sad because there's no ice cream in hell, and you'll get to laugh at us. And then jesus will pull you aside and say " You were always one of my favorites".
It will be a big day for you.

>>508463158
Who the fuck would want to worship the mythological jewish metaphysical bad guy. The fact that he desires or demands worship alone is reason enough not to. So fuck him. You Christians can ram him up your asses. You need him only because your system wouldn't work without him.

>>508462651 (OP)
I couldn't care any less about the fate of my soul because it would have no body = no brain = no memory and couldn't sense shit!

>>508462651 (OP)
If god wants so much people to believe in him why don't he simply appear to everybody?
Immediate conversion of the entire Humanity. But no, he prefers everybody to navigate in a sea of grifters, false prophets, endless interpretations and unanswered prayers.

Almost like he doesn't exist or something.

>>508462651 (OP)
thank g*d i have blue eyes ;)

>>508462783
>the Jewish god.
Christians don't worship the "jewish god" we worship Jesus.
Show a single "Rabbinic Judaism" synagogue that worships Jesus

>>508462651 (OP)
Was it science or some scientology cultist in hollywood? People on pol forgot just how poweful hollywoods cultoral export is.

We all live in america. Coca cola sometimes war.

>>508463845
>What age do children have to reach to stop worrying about going to hell then?
When they stop putting their spirit there.
>implies a random external force judges ourselves and not our own pure spirit

"going to hell" is a poorly described phenomenon. Imagine you were a criminal n a dream and in the dream being a shitheel was normal and exciting and you had to do it but when you woke up, you realised what a shitheel you were and how you didnt' have to pretend such evil acts in your dream...
Well ilfe in a dream, in a different time scale, and when you die you wake up as your eternal self, which surprise surprise has much greater insigt and different values to your "dreaming" persona (the dream that is life)

>tldr you judge yourself, so dont live a life where you know you did jewish style evil, because however you colour your soul in this life, is where you graduate after it

>>508464152
>king of the Jews
>God's chosen people
The god of the abrahamic faiths is the Jewish god. He is their tribal patron deity.

>>508463475
They instead believe god, in the end of the world, will literally resurrect their rotten bodies from the graves like a RPG undead spell.

>>508464152
>Show a single "Rabbinic Judaism" synagogue that worships Jesus


Haha he repeatedly yells he is the god of the jews, and refers to non-jews as gentiles which eventually became our word for genitals, a veiled insult.

Imagine still being christian in 2025.

>>508464026
100% nailed it. Hell is a power fantasy conceived by powerless malignant narcissists.

>>508464459
>Hell is a power fantasy conceived by powerless malignant narcissists.
Not entirely wrong since the loseers that pu themselves there could be classified as "powerless malignant narcissists"

>>508464039
Seethe Mohammed

>>508464026
Lol.

Low effort slide thread to push actual news off the board

>>508462651 (OP)
There is a whole branch of science dedicated to studying the soul though. It's called psychology. All accounts of the soul in esoteric mysticism and its metaphysics match perfectly with what we'd call the ego.

>>508464039
Yahweh allah and satan are the same god u fgt

You wouldn't be so affected by the idea of hell existing and by the people who believe in it if your subconscious mind don't believe in the reality of hell.

>>508464574
>no u
Pack it in, boys, he got us.

>>508464777
The ego is not the seoul papi

>>508464777
>There is a whole branch of science dedicated to studying the soul though. It's called psychology.
*hits pipe* you want to fuck your mother, that will be $1200

>>508464905
Ok oppa.

>>508464905
"psyche" is the ancient Greek word for "soul"

>>508464097
This

>>508464922
Psychology has discovered a lot about how the mind works, but the theraputic end is kinda useless.
Kinda like medical science, now that I think about it.

>arguing for biological determinism unironically
Come on /pol/, you're better than this.

>>508465141
I have a screencap somewhere in my images folder that I can't be fucked to find right now, but it explains that psychological science is basically in the "leeching" stages of progress right now. They just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks with very little methodology at all, and they're far more likely to kill than cure you.

>>508465265
Disprove biological determinism. Fun fact: you can't.

>>508464777
Difference being Ego doesn't survive death and go to other better server where loot is free and PVP forbidden.

>>508465414
when I die, fuck it I want to go to hell
'cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell
it don't make sense goin' to heaven with the goodie-goodies
dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies
God'll probably have me on some real strict shit
no sleepin' all day, no gettin' my dick licked
hangin' with the goodie-goodies, loungin' in paradise
fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice

>>508463218
You should worship the God that is real, because He is real, and let your values be determined by Him. Not form your own values out of some vague presuppositions and then "worship" whatever "god" matches up closely with what you landed on. Because God is smarter and more moral than you are.

>a soul isn't physical
>a soul can burn in physical fire and has nerve endings to feel pain
pick one

>>508465764
C'mon, Anonicus, it's obviously magical fire that inflicts magical burning causing magical pain on the magical body. Duh!

>>508464097
He did. They killed Him.

>>508465403
The concept of epigenetics demonstrates that gene expression is influenced by environmental factors, such as diet, stress, and exposure to toxins, which can alter how genes are activated or silenced.

This challenges the notion that biology alone determines human outcomes, as it shows that environmental influences can have a significant impact on genetic expression.

>>508462651 (OP)
Why would not believing in souls damn you to be tortured after death? Be as objective as possible in your rationale.

>>508464297
He never called Himself king of the jews.

>>508462783
Thread is not about Moloch

>>508465403
Suicide goes against biology

>>508464777
Psychology is not a basedence because results cannot follow the Scientific process. Not even Psychoanalysis which is a more "science focused" Psychology can follow it.

>>508465414
Of course the brazilian uses a mmo analogy kek. We don't know if ego survives death or not. There could be instances where it does and instances where it doesn't depending on several factors many of which are a wild guess. The consensus when checking out different spiritual frameworks is that there is a distinction between "soul" and "spirit", that soul is impermanent and constantly changes (no cessation, change) and that spirit is a permanent element that acts as a medium that grows souls. Soul is the ego and spirit is awareness (the silent observer), both form consciousness.

>>508466264
>Suicide goes against biology
This as well

>>508462651 (OP)
>AAAH I WAS TOLD ANTISEMITISM WASN'T A SIN EVEN THOUGH JESUS WAS JEWISH AND HALF THE BIBLE IS THE TORAH...
Yahweh: laughs

>>508466047
thank you ChatGPT, very cool
>>508466264
>Suicide goes against biology
source?

>>508464152
Jesus is a jew dumbass

>>508466481
>thank you ChatGPT, very cool
Notice how you didn't say I'm wrong?

Also look at sexual orientation of prison inmates. Homosexuality goes up because of direct social issues in prison

>>508466481
>>Suicide goes against biology
>source?
What part of biology determines suicide?

>>508462651 (OP)
> SCIENCE TOLD ME I WAS SOULLESS
It didnt tho

>>508465764
Your body will be made anew at the end of time, and it will be an eternal body. It will experience either eternal joy or eternal sorrow. You might disagree, but at least disagree with the truth and not some strawman lie.

>>508464297
>>508464405
>kikes cannot demonstrate "rabbinic jews" and Christians worship the same being
That's what I thought
Kikes don't worship Jesus, Christians do. Thus they don't worship the same being.

>>508464405
>>king of the Jews
False translation and Jesus never accepted the title in question anyway
>>God's chosen people
Were Israelites who no longer exist. They weren't jews either
kikes even admit they are not Israelites
>and refers to non-jews as gentiles which eventually became our word for genitals, a veiled insult
No he didn't do that in the context you're implying. That root word isn't in the Bible. It's not Greek. He used the Greek word "ethnos" and many many centuries later it was retconned to "gentile" which has a latin root.
He couldn't have used a "veiled insult" that wasn't invented yet.

>>508464297
>The god of the abrahamic faiths is the Jewish god
ROFL. Islam is an "abrahamic faith" and they worship Allah. Allah is not Yahweh. Show me a single denomination or synagogue that claims Allah is Yahweh.
You completely proved my point even better than I could.

>>508462783
HELLBOUND

>>508466829
>but at least disagree with the truth and not some strawman lie.
What truth? What you just said is made up nonsense

>>508464026
Good one Shylock. reddit awaits your subversion

>>508467147
No, it's the revealed word of God. Revelation.

>>508464026
Kek

>>508467244
>No, it's the revealed word of God
Like I said, made up nonsense

>>508466419
Why do god's chosen people keep getting rhinoplasties?

>>508466996
And who were the real Israelites? Say the line.

>>508466829
To be exact, some things are mistranslated in KJB. For example John gospel say the wicked will resurrect in damnation, but the real term is resurrect in judgement/crisis. Also the term αιώνια means for aeon

people can seethe all they want but Jesus Christ is clearly the Truth and no amount of denial will save you from the wrath of God on the day of judgment. Everyone knows this deep down too, but would rather deny the truth in their unrighteousness, their love of evil outweighing their love of truth.

>>508466327
>zero evidence for ego surviving death
>"hurr actually we don't know"

The eternal religiocuck cope.

>>508462651 (OP)
Christianity doesn't even believe in afterlife from the Bible. All instances where it is mentioned that you'll recieve eternal/everlasting life was translated from Greek "αἰώνιον", which at the time meant a nondescript or brief period of time. The reward for living virtuously is happiness while you're alive.
The protestant movement and letting illiterate retards interpret the Bible was a mistake.
The bible actually aligns with the modern "athiest" idea of death. You athiests too are retarded illiterates.
Psalm 146:4
>“His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.”
Ecclesiastes 9:5
>“The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.”

>>508467365
You are literally made-up nonsense

>>508464973
Many of you will undoubtedly be surprised to discover that the idea of the immortality of the soul was not derived by the Jews from the Old Testament scriptures, but rather taken from Plato.

"The belief that the soul continues its existence after the dissolution of the body is... nowhere expressly taught in Holy Scripture .... The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato its principal exponent, who was led to it through 'Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian and Egyptian views were strangely blended"
-The Jewish Encyclopedia, article, "Immortality of the Soul"

>>508463138
>>508462651 (OP)
Hell doesnt' even mean what you think it means. It doesn't have the connotation of evil, demons, punishment, fire, etc. The word "hell" is not Biblical. Its old English but goes back to old Germanic/Dutch HEL. It means "cover." It's where we get the words Cellar, Hall, Hull of a ship, Conceal, and Helmet. The connotation is to cover something completely up. The most accurate use of HEL is Germanic and Nordic where people were buried or covered over with dirt. Thus, they went to HEL or the hidden place covered over place of the dead. Or the HALL of The Dead. This perfectly coincides with the Bible's Sheol and Greek Hades. Sheol and Hades are AMMORAL. Neither good nor evil go there. So it means that's where the dead go in general.

Pagans invented it hell, The Catholic Church adopted it. In the OT wherever you see "hell" the original word is She'ol. She'ol is just the common grave of mankind. In the NT, wherever you see the word "hell" the original word is Hades. It is also just the grave of mankind.

So there are two kinds of hells in the Bible.

One is temporary
>hades
>She'ol

One is permanent
>Gehenna
>Lake of Fire

When Jesus is quoted as saying "hell" it is actually Gehenna. Gehenna means "Valley of Hinnom." It was a garbage dumb that was lit on permanent fire with sulfur. They threw trash in it. When they executed criminals they threw there bodies in it as well. If the bodies slipped out the worms would get it. Thus, Gehenna represents total annihilation with no escape and no memory.

Those in Hades/She'ol are waiting to be resurrected and it's for everyone who has died. Those in Gehenna/Lake of Fire are destroyed permanently. No resurrection for them. THIS is for bad people. Because of the over-generalized translation of "hell" everywhere nobody can understand the truth about death and resurrection

>>508466996
>king of the Jews is a mistranslation
So what was the crown of thorns for then?
>for salvation is of the Jews.
So John 4:22 is mistranslated too? don't get scared of the truth because a bunch of proud Christ killers stole the name, they've filled up their cup and someday they'll drink from it, but there's nothing wrong with the name jew. just retarded anons use it in strawmen, wgaf

>>508462651 (OP)
>>508463138
>>508468766
The Bible teaches that the dead are unconscious and go back to oblivion, or non-existence.

>Isaiah 38:18,19 - 18 For it is not She´ol that can laud you; death itself cannot praise you. Those going down into the pit cannot look hopefully to your trueness. The living, the living, he is the one that can laud you, Just as I can this day.

>Psalms 6:5 - For in death there is no mention of you; In Sheol who will laud you?

>Psalms 88:10 - For those who are dead will you do a marvel? Or will those impotent in death themselves arise, Will they laud you? Selah.

>Psalms 146:4 - His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish.

>Psalm 88:12 - Will a marvel by you be known in the darkness itself, Or your righteousness in the land of oblivion?

>Psalms 115:17 - 17 The dead themselves do not praise Jah, Nor do any going down into silence.

>(Ecclesiastes 3:18-20) I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.

>Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 - 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.

>>508463138
>>508468881
>>508463138
There is no hell in the Bible. Only going back to the grave. This is God's opinion on burning people alive.

>Jeremiah 19:5 - And they built the high places of the Baal in order to burn their sons in the fire as whole burnt offerings to the Baal, something that I had not commanded or spoken of, and that had not come up into my heart.”’

>Jeremiah 32:35 - Furthermore, they built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through [the fire] to Molech, a thing that I did not command them, neither did it come up into my heart to do this detestable thing, for the purpose of making Judah sin.’

>Jeremiah 7:31 - And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’

God admitted three times up above he would never command anyone to do that nor would he ever think of doing that himself. If God created hell that would make God a huge hypocrite because he is doing it on a grander scale. However, God doesn't burn people alive in any way. He lets them die and cease to exist. So if you refuse to submit to God than you will go to oblivion, not hell

>>508466996
>and many many centuries later it was retconned to "gentile"
More specifically, 2 centuries later the Latin Vulgate used "gentilis" as a translation of "ethnos" but as expected it did not mean non jew at that time either. It was retconned to mean that many many centuries later.

It is very significant that Jesus had to tell the disciples NOT to go to "the nations" because it implies that is what they were going to do by default. It makes no sense to make the qualification "Go buy dinner but don't buy a baseball trophy" but it does make sense to say "go buy dinner but don't buy chicken" because it's a default expectation one might buy chicken. The fact you're following the false narrative that "gentile" is an "appropriate" translation means the disciples were planning to go tell gentiles about Jesus in Matthew 10:5

>>508463475
Humans don't have souls. They ARE souls. When God "activated" Adam he became a soul. Animals are souls as well. In fact, the original Hebrew word for "soul" is Nephesh which literally means "breather." Anything that breathes air and pumps blood is a soul. Some Bibles have blushed over this by changing "soul" in the Bible to "life" or "person." But the original verses below are "soul" in the original manuscripts themselves."

>Genesis 2:7 - And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to BLOW INTO HIS NOSTRILS THE BREATH OF LIFE and the man came to BE A LIVING SOUL.

>(Genesis 9:4) Only flesh with its soul—its blood—YOU must not eat.

>(Leviticus 17:11) For the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for YOU to make atonement for YOUR souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul [in it].

>(Leviticus 17:14) For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.”

>(Deuteronomy 12:23) Simply be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the soul and you must not eat the soul with the flesh.

>(Ezekiel 18:4)... The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.

>“For there is one fate for both man and beast—the same fate for them; as the one dies, so dies the other; the same breath is in all of them, and man has no advantage over the beast; for everything is vanity. All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all return to the dust. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and whether the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth?” Eccl. 3:19-21

When humans die, we share the same fate as animals. We cease to exist forever.

>>508466030
Again, if god's endgame is to save humanity via belief and worship, just show off your true colors.

Preferentially sporadically, not just a single time in fucking God-forsaken (lol) judea 2000 years ago.

>>508468395
Zero evidence quite literally means we don't know in this case. And science is a religion, one that's just based on logos rather than mythos, but a religion nonetheless.

>>508468397
Revelation says death shall be no more

>>508468397
lolwut

Matthew 26:29
>But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Luke 23:43
>And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

All of Revelation

But what if my soul is an annoying slut

>>508462651 (OP)
>he believes in hell
Lol. Lmao. There is no eternal damnation. You will be bathed in the light of God and your sins will be cleansed from your soul. The more sin, the longer and more intense the process will be. But in the end, you will still be welcomed into the Kingdom of Heaven

>the concept of hell was stolen from other religions
>hell didnt exist before then
refute this

>>508464459
>>508464574
It's also believed by grudgeful bitter people that hate someone. They want God to make that person/people suffer because they are powerless to inflict pain and suffering on them.

The idea of the wicked resting in peace is offensive to them. >>508468881
>>508469008

>>508464152
>i dont worship jewish god, i worship jewish man
lol even lmao but lmfao for now

>>508468431
>hurt feelings

>>508463218
My people have been worshipping Christ for over a thousand years, at this point he's more Danish than some random rock in the woods.

>>508469411
"Father's kingdom" is a utopia achieved once Christianity has spread and everyone follows God's laws.
"Today" means today. This day only.

>>508469008
I agree with all these things the doctrine of hell has been immensely damaging for Christianity and it has no real root in the Bible. Sad that a JW has become the voice of reason but your points are true.

Even thinking about it logically, if hell is separation from God then surely you would cease to exist. Why burn torture someone for eternity? How could anyone in heaven enjoy living knowing that people they liked are burning forever? But on top of that it is not biblical.

>>508468881
Isaiah is talking about how they have no hope, not they can't look because they're nothing. The rest is all poetry, plenty of verses about wailing and gnashing of teeth. Try the NT

>>508469008
>For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Plenty of things only God can do that people aren't allowed to do, there's no hypocrisy. And just do a word search for fire and hell there's too many to list

>>508469134
good you found out we have a soul, retarded you think we're the same as animals
1 Corinthians 9:9
>For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?