Thread 508560522

Opposition to the gay and trans rights movement begins from the point of view of sexual morality couched in natural law. Without Christianity and the metaphysics of monotheism, there is no systematic doctrine with which one can firmly oppose the LGBT agenda. Liberalism permits homosexuality and sexual deviancy under the banner of consent because it fails to posit an ontology that is metaphysically robust and amenable to natural law reasoning.

>>508560522 (OP)
christianity is the root cause of people losig ability to respond ruhtlessly to haramful foreign concepts

how did they do it?

>>508560656
good people did nothing

>>508560604

Homosexuality is endogenous to every major civilization.

>>508560522 (OP)
GOOD. We need to revert to Roman sexuality. Top = straight, bottom = gay.

>>508561186
How does Islam handle the threat of homosexuality to their societies?

>>508561186
so is murder

>>508561289
By stoning them to death or throwing them off multistorey buildings

>>508561427

This is correct. Homosexuals ought to be put to death.

>>508561427
How cruel of them! Gays are human too.

>>508560522 (OP)
>Without Christianity and the metaphysics of monotheism, there is no systematic doctrine with which one can firmly oppose the LGBT agenda

Yes there is. Fags are walking STD dispensers.

>>508560522 (OP)

> Opposition to the gay and trans rights movement begins from the point of view of sexual morality couched in natural law

No it doesn't, it begins in judaism. Judaism claimed all forms of homosexuality are bad because the creator of the world said so to his special people (jews). Christianity and Islam are judaist cults so they carry the sentiment forward.

There is no coherent moral framework that would deem homosexuality immoral. None. People influenced by jewish religions have to go to extreme lengths to try and claim it is but anyone with any skill of rhetoric can btfo their arguments. Mostly because said arguments boil down to - "homosexuality is bad because this form of practicing homosexuality has a probability of leading to negative consequences." Alternatively, they attempt to "borrow" immorality from an other thing by associating the two but that still doesn't prove immorality of homosexual behavior.

There is literally no way to prove homosexual behavior in itself is immoral within any moral framework we live under. Best you can do is go full moral relavitist and claim it's immoral if people agree it is but that is both a circular argument and conceedes that it is moral if people agree it is. Which in the west means that - homosexuality is moral

>>508560522 (OP)
>Without Christianity
Eh...

>>508561614

There it is. Homosexual apologist and Christ denier.

>>508560604
You mean like the crusaders? oh wait oh...
Or all the ruthless saints? ruh roh

>>508561779

The Anglican Communion is not a real church. That "priest" is not validly ordained and her rainbow stole does not repel demons.

Faggotry is already becoming socially lame thankfully

>>508561614
Cool it with the anti-semetic remarks. If rabbi Yeshua says it is so, it is so. To imply otherwise is anti American, anti western, and anti Christian. Such rabid Nazis as yourself have no place in our civilization.

>>508561614
I guess you get the occasional super rare fag out of serbia, btw when you say "coherent moral framework" you're presupposing a lot of things and you special plead yours is coherent but it's at the mercy of other human beings interpreting it.

>>508561827
christianity is detrimental to psyche of people
if you told an average christcuck to boycott corporations he deems harmful, would respond with hard NO "those people have to ear their living too, anon"
nothing can save christcucks from their agonizing existence, you can only laugh and accelerate their downwall, this is why I talked all my boomer and christ cuck neigbors into taking covid vaccine

>>508561186
>Sodomy is a crime in every major civilization.
FTFY FAGGOT

>>508560604
LOL. Anon, meek Christians are a baby boomer thing. I don't think you understand the sheer amount of bloodlust and chinping out Christians are capable of.

>>508561827

> they attempt to "borrow" immorality from an other thing by associating the two but that still doesn't prove immorality of homosexual behavior.

>>508562054

you haven't proved I'm wrong though

>>508561897
>The Anglican Communion is not a real church.
You sound like a communist. That's cope and you know.
>Soviet Union, North Korea and Cuba were not real communism.
Face it, Christianity is fucked.

>>508560522 (OP)

The Abrahamic religions are all full of closet gays that are every bit as bad as the ones that go on parades. I think they are all undead.

>>508563858
>Abrahamic religion
RETARD SPOTTED

>>508560522 (OP)
Go back to Church, goy

>>508564212
STICK YOUR NECK OUT AGAIN FAGGOT

>>508561883
Crusaders that killed more whites than araps?

>>508564817
>Before Abraham was, I AM
gg nr

>>508560522 (OP)
Oh no
Anyway

>>508562520

Atheism, nihilism and idolatry are detrimental to one's psyche.

>>508562911

I ain't no malaka.

Your churches are waving sodomite flags and are embracing satanic neoliberalism. I am a Muslim and we are Monotheists who reject this.

Muslims actually execute sodomites like your Bible says. Islam means submission to God. Our entire religion is about actually obeying God.

>>508560522 (OP)
i wish we could throw the whole of the trans rights concept under that trolly

>>508560522 (OP)
Why are you so obsessed with gay people?

>>508563487

Rational distinctions between orthodoxy and heterodoxy are not "cope". If you maintain they are, you are irrational and incoherent.

>>508560522 (OP)
Y’all niggas posting in a trap thread

>>508563858

Idolatry (i.e., paganism) always leads to some form of sexual immorality.

>>508560522 (OP)
>>508560522 (OP)

>>508565198

Not my church.

>>508565496
>Not my church

>>508561614
>What are STDs
>What is rectal prolapse
>What is extremely rates of non monogamy
>There is literally no way to prove homosexual behavior in itself is immoral within any moral framework we live under.
The thing is, this rule seems to only extends to faggots. I mean, following this logic, there is nothing wrong eating rat meat either. If you catch rodents from the forest (not cities) and cook them thoroughly, then you can make the argument that it's not different eating chicken or bacon the same way fags argie that sodomy is no different from heterosexuality if you use protection.

>>508565267

Why are gays trying to indoctrinate children with their nihilistic worldview based on sexual immorality and dishonourable behaviour?

Why are gays trying to destroy social institutions and moral traditions that are thousands of years old?

>>508565617
I’d argue that traps are less likely to have an STD than cis women these days

>>508565670
>Completely melts down
There it is.
What an unintelligent, homophobic, slimy individual.

>>508565670
Just hurry up and gas yourself

>>508563041
You don't even get what I'm saying, if you got it you wouldn't say "wrong" and yes I have plenty of arguments, if your making the claim that something is morally permissible you have to provide an argument for that claim regardless of what it is, and if you say it's a human action but not amoral that begs the is-ought, so what's the argument for gay butt sex.

>>508565731
>>508565760

Christians do not commit suicide. Self-harm is immoral and a violation of God's commandments.

>>508565830
The argument is that you’re an idiot

>>508565760
>>508565731
DO YOU FEEL PRETTY FAGGOT?

>>508565900
Don’t reply to me

>>508565913
that was a good one, how's Melbourne faggot?

>>508565954

Did you smear vaseline over that camera lens?

>>508560522 (OP)

LGBT movement exists only because of Christianity

Homophobic nazis are gay

>>508560522 (OP)
I doubt it.

>>508566005
That’s a funny way to ask for more pictures of traps
If you’re gay you can just say so you know

>>508565731
Homophobia is awesome though. You have a problem with good things?

>>508565993
THERE IT IS
WHAT A SOULLESS, VILE, WANTON PERVERT

>>508560522 (OP)
>christians aren’t lgtbq


lol Christian’s are the biggest groomers. They just keep it secret

>>508566007

>If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:13

>Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality...
Corinthians 6:9

>>508566174
So what youre saying is, youre desperate for more trap photos
Got it

>>508560522 (OP)
Lgbt is a distraction issue. There are hordes of miggers who have been convinced dying for israel is based & redpilled as long as fags arent allowed in the military

>>508566251
Look at you, angloroach, quoting the Bible as if you follow it.

>>508566251
I ain’t reading all that shit kappa

>>508566226
The secular public schooling system has been proven to have up to 50x more sexual affairs with children even per capita when the numbers are adjusted for.
All places will have some level of pedophilia that will go on but it's trivally true that there will be less where they actively push morality and specifically against pedophilia.

>>508566226

Most cases of "pedophilia" in the Catholic Church were actually cases of homosexual pederasty. The Church failed children because it did not ruthlessly stamp out homosexuality in the priesthood. Everyone who isn't an NPC knows this by now.

>>508561827
Rendundant, jews are on there at least four times.

Gay love is ok

>>508566298
>fags arent allowed in the military
TOO LATE
GOOD LUCK GETTING THEM OUT NOW

>>508566376

You can't read four sentences?

Let's look at them again:

>If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:13

>Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality...
Corinthians 6:9

>>508566298
The birth rates have been in decay prior to mass hordes and they are still declining and will continue to decline, the poorest people have the most amount of children, lgbtq is an issue and birth rates are too, the justification that the left uses for immigration is that these nations don't have enough kids to be self sufficient therefor they need the migrant workers.

>>508566421
>The secular public schooling system
Is filled with Christians teachers and faculty

>>508566421
>Non stop crying about trannies
Do you ever stop whinging?
How often do you think about trannies?

>>508566527
Tldr
Dumb idiot

>>508566449
>homosexual pederasty
So pedophilia

>>508566534
They aren't the majority they are less than half, which would prove my case that the more Christians in these places the less pedophilia, thanks for mentioning this.

>>508566564
You will never be a woman.

>>508566532
>Still crying about birth rates
Take this and kill yourself with it

>>508566564
>Do you ever stop whinging?
No I never stop whinging, I go to sleep crying and wake up crying. Anyway how's melbourne?

>>508566667
One off.
So unlucky anon.

>>508566641
>They aren't the majority they are less than half
Incorrect

>>508560604
What are you on about? Christianity was rejected in the west and globohomo rose.

>>508561178
this

>>508564643
>Meme is a poor copy of the original
Every time

>>508566686
Congratulations, you’re an elite hacker larp that can cross reference a post from an archive.
I am shivering in my boots.

>>508566671
Crazy how you're telling me to kms when all I did was disagree with you, these are clear indicators of mental illness.
Go see a post modernist transgender acrobat therapist to teach you horse lesbian dance theory so you can cool off.

>>508566686
What are you gonna do, trace me and make me suck your dick?
Cut me a break

>>508566742
Give me the stats on the public school system or just use AI to find out yourself.

>>508566769
>Christianity was rejected in the west and globohomo rose.
One extreme begets the other

>>508566789
All transphobes and homophobes get the rope. No exceptions

>>508566788
What are you talking about retard, I assume every fag enthusiast is from Melbourne and I was right and now you called me an elite hacker sarcastically, you cunts really are schizophrenic.

>>508563023
>American flag
>Bloodlust

Yeah, no, you've been effectively defanged and converted into a prop by the govt. You're retarded, and the collective "We" of Christianity (or whatever divorced denomination you are) aren't gonna do shit.

>>508560522 (OP)
>There's only Christianity and Liberalism
Are you retarded or something? Your argument is self-defeating.
Anyone deriving their morality from natural law can easily conclude that lgbt is toxic and should not be encouraged.

>>508566905
Don’t engage with me

>>508566848
Nigger I grew up with shit like prayer at the flag pole, bible clubs etc in public schools.

>>508566987
You had a freudian slip, sucks bro get some help, we all know your a 140 kg man with a neckbeard, no one will ever love you, not even the incel to tranny pipeline fags, not a single one.

>>508567061
goodbye peasant

>>508567060
So no source, thanks bro that tells me a lot.
Go look up that stats yourself instead of using affirmation bias, if your IQ was above 110 you wouldn't say half the retarded shit that comes out your mouth.

>>508566634

Pedophilia implies the abuse of pre-pubescent boys and girls. Most Catholic clerical sex crimes involved post-pubescent young men, i.e., crimes of homosexual predation. Most homosexual men will admit after a few drinks that they have committed statutory rape or were the victims of it. What is it about Stephen Fry's "husband" that attracted him to this individual do you think?

>>508567112
Troons are always crying about homelessness because your parents hate you and kick you out, your the peasant.

>>508567117
> if your IQ was above 110 you wouldn't say half the retarded shit that comes out your mouth

>>508567117
>So no source, thanks bro that tells me a lot.
I don't see yours either. Thanks bro

>>508567163
Alr

>>508567163
>your the peasant
It’s you’re, retard

>>508566848
>Give me the stats on the public school system or just use AI to find out yourself.
>>508567117
>So no source, thanks bro that tells me a lot.
Faggot

>>508560604
fpbp

>>508567262
I forgot i'm on 4chan I will write everything as an essay

>>508565027
I don't believe in semitic fairly tales

>>508567135
>Pedophilia implies the abuse of pre-pubescent boys
Which is what you described

>>508567364
Good slave
Can’t expect to weasel your way out of your mediocre life with a kindergarten level vocabulary now can you

>>508560522 (OP)
Christianity =/= Natural Law.

Natural Law was developed by the ancient greeks and romans.
Abrahamic monotheistic deontology was, ironically, also developed by the greeks (Plato, that fucking niggerfaggot, specifically), then later hijacked by semites during their visits to the library of Alexandria in order to write their plagiarized collection of "myths" called the Torah.
This later came to be known as the top-down, authoritarian system of moral intolerance and feminine sophistry known as Judaism.
Later on, Christianity, a myopic death cult developed by subversive elements to undermine the roman empire by appealing to the lowest common denominator (slaves and women), and was later instituted as the official religion by the roman elites due to their need to stabilize their massive slave population (around 25%) using an authoritarian system of morality (low-mid IQs don't like reasoning what is true or false, they prefer the dichotomy of what is good and bad).
Aurelian, Restorer of the World, had previously tried to solve this problem with the creation of Sol Invictus (a monotheistic faith without the disgusting abrahamic baggage), but was predictably (((assasinated))) before his plans could come to fruition. Christianity later hijacked many of the rituals and customs of Sol Invictus.

Faggots and trannies are an insignificant group of degenerates meant to distract you from the invading hordes of sandniggers and the jews that run your banks and governments.

>>508567349
That would still make my argument for me, also use chatgpt.
If catholic schools have less accounts of pedophilia yet more religious teachers than we can deduce it's the lack of religiosity + serious denominations.

>>508565157
Im not for any isms, but atheists, nihilists and other ists are more likely to put their money where their mouth is, or suspend their money respectively, voting with wallet is the only material way to influence things, the fact majority of retarded normies dont do it is all the more reason why it is

>>508567445
>That would still make my argument for me,
Nope. You're concession is accepted

>>508560522 (OP)
You seem to forget christianity's ability to adapt and evolve, and them being the reason the west is already buried kek. The same way christianity synthesized european paganism in order to survive, they will synthesize faggotry for the same reason, they're already doing it, doesn't matter if you're catholic or protestant.

>>508560522 (OP)
> ontology that is metaphysically robust and amenable to natural law reasoning.

>>508567500
Granting an argument doesn't necessarily help you it just helps me because my case stands regardless.

>>508567445
>also use chatgpt.
This fag lol
>use AI
you're not an honest person

>>508560522 (OP)
I'm not gay:3

>>508560522 (OP)
Meanwhile, christianity

>>508567587
My argument was thay Christians make up a majority teachers in public schools.

You said to prove it with stats and/or AI.

I did and now you can't handle it

>>508560522 (OP)
Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Luke 6:31
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Ephesians 4:29-32
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

John 15:12
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

>>508560522 (OP)
Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

John 4:20-21
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

Romans 12:10
Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

Proverbs 24:17 ESV / 580 helpful votes

Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles,

Romans 15:1-2
We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

>>508567135
Nooooo he’s only a 17.999999 years old little boy

>>508567683
>>508567758
Peter 3:8-12
Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind. Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing. For “Whoever desires to love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit; let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”

Philippians 2:4
Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.

Peter 2:17
Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

>>508560522 (OP)
>natural law
Precariously low IQ detected.

>>508567671
The only way it wouldn't help me is if that stats showed less pedophilia in comparison to catholic schools which isn't the case, granting 40% of teachers in public schools are non religious but more accounts of pedophilia happen in public schools versus catholic when adjusted for numbers of teachers etc proves my case, it's a basic deduction.

>>508560522 (OP)
>under the banner of consent because it
is liberalism and believes that consent defines morality. so some people think, ok, even though were in liberaltopia, if my wife consents to marry me, then were married. well, the contract is defined by the divorce court that interprets it

>>508560522 (OP)
https://www.instagram.com/p/DLOZOb_Jgjc/

>>508567911
>The only way it wouldn't help me is if that stats showed less pedophilia
Changes the goal post lol.

Take the L faggot

>>508560522 (OP)

Christianity created Machiavelli, who created modernity, which killed God, which gave birth to this cultural marxist gay bullshit. It needed a leash, what it got was Rome. It made Rome gay, and that gay Rome spread throughout Europe. Europe was fucked from the start.

>>508567438
gay story fag

Christ is King

>>508567758
That doesn't mean anything.
Suicide is a sin, if your brother or neighbor was going to kill himself and you didn't try to stop him, well that's not loving, the same applies to men engaging in faggotry, if you know it could send him to hell because it's a serious sin, the same applies, stopping him would be an action out of love not hate.

>>508567911
>40% of teachers in public schools are non religious
Kek

>>508568013
The goal post wasn't changed your original argument was pedophilia is more prevalent where Christianity exists essentially which was refuted because less cases of child sexual abuse happen in catholic schools vs secular schools where less teachers are religious.

>>508568080
>Doubles down
I can’t help you unless you want to help yourself
Come back to me once you’ve realized your errors

>>508560604
>haramful
did you mean to type "harmful"
because this is even better

>>508568157
The ego is too strong with this one

>>508568114
I'm already 10 steps ahead, I did all the AI stuff, the thing in which you just posted would tell me that 67% of teachers are non religious which is a higher stat I'm claiming but I already asked AI to factor in all denominations in which it claimed about 60% of teachers are religious.
You have to keep up, you can't even follow a basic logical deduction.

>>508568157
>your original argument was pedophilia is more prevalent where Christianity exists
Wrong.

>>508568226
tell me how I'm wrong, walk me through it
line for line

>>508568247
>I'm already 10 steps ahead,
Nope. You can't even get my argument right kek

>>508568280
I’m good

>>508568247
>you just posted would tell me that 67% of teachers are non religious
I see you make up lies too.

>>508563023
>turn the other cheek
>win
Christbvlls, I kneel.

>>508568024
King of the Jews.

>>508568303
You're still not getting it, I'll help you out.
Even if 80% of school teachers were religious but those schools had more pedophilia than the schools with 100%, the deduction would tell us it's a factor.
The fact you didn't respond to anything I said besides claiming your 10 steps ahead shows me your either retarded or choosing to be ignorant.

>>508568157
>because less cases of child sexual abuse happen in catholic schools vs secular schools
Because there are far more public schools than catholic. That's obvious

>>508568352
Exactly, you people sound like hair dressers, always psychoanalyzing instead of making arguments on a political board.

>>508568449
>You're still not getting it, I'll help you out.
No need. You couldn't get my argument right. Then you make up numbers that don't exist with no source while earlier you claimed I had no source until I did

>>508568469
The qualifier isn't "more cases" I wouldn't argue that, that would be retarded because of course there would be more cases because there are more secular schools than catholic ones, when I say more cases adjusted for all else being equal, I'm talking about per capita.

>>508568587
I didn't make up numbers, your AI findings on google would literally prove me right if not make me look better, I gave you a leg up here and you don't see that because I'm trying to get you to the part where you make a deduction.

>>508568605
>I'm talking about per capita
Let's see your sources then. What you're also not telling is how confessions aren't reported to local authorities

You're argument is disingenuous to start

>>508568080
> stopping him would be an action out of love not hate.
Forcing yourself into somebody’s life and demanding that they conform to your set of ideals, at the threat of violence or societal outcast, is not loving. It’s extremely hateful.
Nothing about homophobes is loving. I don’t know what kind of planet you live on, but you need to treat your brothers with more respect, otherwise you might find yourself the one who ends up burning in the pit.
Are you aware of just how many bible passages pertain to treating those around you with courtesy? It’s a lot more than the one or two about homosexual behaviour, I can assure you of that. Perhaps you should read them over.

>>508568682
>I didn't make up numbers, your AI findings on google would literally prove me right if not make me look better
Too bad it back my argument
>>508566534
>>The secular public schooling system
>Is filled with Christians teachers and faculty
And I am right

>>508568247
Kikes are too low iq to follow a basic conversation which they didnt factor in as a potential problem when they cooked every book and study.

>>508566947
>bombs Iran once
>Trump comes out and says some boomer Christian shit
>next day the Jews and Muslims succumb to our wishes

Face it Elephant nigger, we still own this place (Earth)

>>508568404
King of Kings

>>508568706
>What you're also not telling is how confessions aren't reported to local authorities
You don't have to pick Catholicism, the stats stay consistent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
https://magnoliaconsulting.org/2017/11/school-employee-sexual-misconduct-study/
https://sites.law.duq.edu/juris/2019/03/16/catholic-priest-sex-abuse-scandals-how-the-media-shapes-the-public-perception-of-child-abuse-in-the-catholic-church/

>>508566851
>healthy societies were extreme
>>>/lgbt/

>>508568485
Sadly some anons here were purposely trained wrong, as a joke.

>>508567060
>>Nigger I grew up with shit like prayer at the flag pole
>t. student of 3-4 hippies, 8+ feminists, 4 closeted faggots etc, and maybe 1 bomb-bomb-iran kike-wannabe teachers

>>508568939
>the stats stay consistent.
The fact that confessions aren't reported to local authorities doesn't help you

>>508568682
Are you aware that transsexuals exist who strictly date women?
> Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
>Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
These are the only two passages relating to homosexuality, and both say that to engage in anal intercourse is forbidden. It says nothing about choosing to wear different clothes. It says nothing about gender identity. It says to not fuck other men in the ass.

Compare that with the literal hundreds of texts about treating others with respect:
>>508567683
>>508567758
>>508567832
And it’s clear who’s committing more sin.
You have no right, to tell anybody, what to do or how to live their life. Got it?

Only god can judge people, and you are not god.
It is not your duty to convert people.

>>508568716
>It’s extremely hateful.
Is the byzantine empire evil sir?
Or any other Christian society which enforced laws, like do not murder which btw all laws rest on the threat of violence, the act of violence or societal outcast.
Also unless your eastern orthodox don't lecture anyone on Christianity.

>>508568961
>>healthy societies were extreme
Burning music and books you don't like isn't healthy

>>508568682
According to the bible,
A male dressing as a female and having sex with other females is perfectly fine.

Sucking dick is fine. Making an onlyfans is fine. You can do all of that and still go to heaven.

So what’s your problem exactly?

Post twinks

>>508569040
Read
Before
You
Write
>>508569014
>>508569114
>>508568716

>>508569048
>Nazis bad
Where do you think you are?

>>508569001
There is heaps of systems and ways of assistance and also incentives to catholic kids to help people in need to reduce these numbers, they have all sorts of way helping these kids.
Also;
A 2004 U.S. Department of Education report (Shakeshaft) found that many public school abuse cases go unreported or are handled informally (e.g., teachers quietly resigning).
Since the early 2000s, particularly after the Dallas Charter in 2002, Catholic schools and dioceses have:

Implemented mandatory reporting policies.
Created review boards.
Removed clergy immediately upon credible accusation.
In most U.S. states, teachers and school employees are mandatory reporters — this includes both public and private (religious) school staff.

>>508567401
>history = fairy tales
>(You)
NOBODY BELIEVES YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE YOURSELF

>>508560522 (OP)
Wrong it happened because Christianity is weak and gay, the only people who stood up to the left, the tranys, pedo's, woke and corporate government were unironically gamer guys.

No other group created the environment or resistance we see today.

>>508569190
Mfw when I see you

>>508569014
I agree with you, protestants have no customs, duties or obligations that's why heaps of people are leaving these churches with no cultural continuity and going to orthodoxy or roman Catholicism instead.

>>508569162
>Nazis bad
They sure did lose. Although I'd love to have NatSoc

>>508569248
> Christianity is weak and gay
That’s blasphemous

>>508569190
Again
>>508569001
>The fact that confessions aren't reported to local authorities doesn't help you

>>508569146
I just did and realized you were the fag and thought u were some retarded degen christian but you're cosplaying as one so I'll stop engaging in your midwit arguments.

>>508569190
>Removed clergy immediately upon credible accusation
By moving them to new places to abuse new kids

>>508569114
Corinthians 11

>>508568973
>>t. student of 3-4 hippies, 8+ feminists, 4 closeted faggots etc, and maybe 1 bomb-bomb-iran kike-wannabe teachers

>>508569367
I’m not cosplaying as anything.
People can be a religious trap if they want to be, even if it conflicts with your world view.

>>508568973
>>508569493
>>508566534
>Is filled with Christians teachers and faculty
Kek

>>508569349
It doesn't matter if it helps me or not, there are unreported cases that happen in secular schools all the time, it's an equal stalemate argument, I provided systems which are being provided and I told you, you can look at denominations which don't have confession and look at the stats there, the question to ask yourself is;
Is it really more likely that a kid being taught catholic morals is not more incentivized to tell their parents about what was done to them versus a kid growing up in these secular schools that are taught free love and are completely confused about everything including their own very identity and whether they are a furry or a gay lesbian giraffe. This question is an argument but an appeal for you to try and think about this, I did my work and told you deductions would prove me right and stats, now the real goal post move is "what about the confession stuff doe"

>>508569582
>>B-b-but Is filled with Christians teachers and faculty!!!
>t. student of 3-4 hippies, 8+ feminists, 4 closeted faggots etc, and maybe 1 bomb-bomb-iran kike-wannabe teachers

>>508569403
You're making the claim give me the stats that pedophilia goes up in other places by catholic priests as a result.
The problem with you is you really want to be right so you're destined on assuming every christian preach is some abhorrent unethical monster.

>>508560656
I blame women

>>508569615
>It doesn't matter if it helps me or not, there are unreported cases that happen in secular schools all the time
I never said there wasn't. But the catholic church has a policy of not reporting to local authorities.

Also, secular schools are filled with Christian teachers.


Either way your argument is disingenuous

>>508560522 (OP)
What the fuck is natural law?
Whatever validate your religious values? “Natural” cause’

>>508560522 (OP)
>if it weren't for the jews and the son of a kike god on a stick religion they created, we would all be sodomites

because chriscucks are the onlypeople to historically oppose buttsex? fuck off marxist retard

>>508569752
>You're making the claim
It's true. Abusive priests get moved around to new places. They are never reported to authorities.

>>508569555
I'm not debating if people "can" be something.
People can be pedophiles whether it conflicts with your worldview, that's a very real possibility and some tribes still engage in practices that would fall under that umbrella.
tldr; your not saying anything

>>508569766
>Also, like, secular schools are totally filled with Christian teachers just trust me okay
>>t. student of 3-4 hippies, 8+ feminists, 4 closeted faggots etc, and maybe 1 bomb-bomb-iran kike-wannabe teachers

>>508569306
>loosing means Nazis were wrong about burning tranny books
>love to have NatSoc


>>508569403
>pretends this doesn't happen with school teachers

Liberalism exalts individual autonomy and consent as the highest goods. But consent is not a moral compass—it’s a procedural safeguard. Liberalism cannot say why something is right or wrong, only that it is consensual.
This is why liberalism has allowed the LGBT movement to flourish—not because it supports it philosophically, but because it is powerless to deny it. A society ruled by nothing more than "consent" cannot tell you why polyamory, drag shows for kids, or hormone blockers for minors are wrong—because it denies any concept of objective moral purpose.

>>508569766
>disingenuous
I'm sure it is buddy, everyone and everything is disingenuous if it doesn't hold my worldview and assumptions.
This is like calling someone a jew because you disagree with them.
You make claims without demonstrating them.

>>508569870
Nobody is going to hell for wearing a dress

Post bussy

>>508569853
So you can't prove your claim your making statements based on trivialities.
If a school teacher has floating allegations and quits his job it is possible a pedophile is moving somewhere else to do something, the point your ignoring is it has made extensive exhaustive efforts to make catholic schools even safer with more help and assistance and prior to these it still had less cases than public schools.
Did you actually read the stats I sent you, maybe you can debunk me there because maybe it's a bad source but instead you haven't and just moving the goal post about trivial things.

>>508569928
>Nazis were wrong
If they were so right then they wouldn't have lost so hard lol
>>508569928
>>pretends this doesn't happen with school teachers
Not on the level of Catholics also school teachers are overwhelmingly Christian

>>508569972
>>disingenuous
>I'm sure it is buddy
You haven't proven me wrong yet :^)

>>508570081
Are you talking to yourself?
Did you lose track of the conversation?

>>508570109
>So you can't prove your claim
What's my claim bud?

>>508560522 (OP)
quite the contrary.
its no coincidence that LGBT originates from christian/former christian countries

>>508570182
Stop trolling on 4chan

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/pride-flags-vandalized-blakes-midtown-atlanta

based teens doing gods work

>>508570173
About which claim?
You said there will be more pedophilia now in other areas of the catholic realm, maybe in churches or something as a result of this school policy, so provide the stats on that inversely proportional increase.

>>508570274
>You said there will be more pedophilia now in other areas of the catholic realm
Nope

>>508563023
>meek Christians are a baby boomer thing.
No, retard, meek christians originate in your own fucking holy book that explicitly commands you to be meek

>>508560522 (OP)
Christianity is the source of the LGBT movement.

>>508570255
Stick to the other boards instead of spamming your brainrot iphone camera roll filled with men dressing up as women.
Even your own team would think you're a loser if that found the shit you have stored up.

>>508563023
You got beat up in high school and it shows.

>>508570322
Provide evidence for your claim.
You asked me to do it but you can't do it.
And what about what I said do you disagree with?

>>508570439
>Provide evidence for your claim.
What's my claim?

>>508570481
why do you have so many pictures of faggots??

>>508570521
>By moving them to new places to abuse new kids
provide the stats on that inversely proportional increase.
aka that sexual abuse cases went up in other catholic places as a result from removing them from certain parts of school.

>>508570182
>Are you talking to yourself?
nobody else is talking to him
his whimpering faggy voice is too irritating

>>508560522 (OP)
Good. Fags are objectively better for society than Christians.
Contrary to popular /pol/ belief, Christians are the ones constantly raping kid. Of the ones raping boys, it's nearly always a "straight" Christian closet case. Openly gay men almost never rape kids. This is why any stale jpegs posted on here about pedo crimes never mention how those men identify prior to the rape. It's propaganda that tries to launder degenerate pedo Christian men and recategorize them as progressive, rainbow flag waving, openly gay men.

>>508570659
>why?
>here is more faggots
didnt answer my query

>>508570113
>truth is found in who wins a war
This is why you fail


>Not on the level of
prove it. >>508569190 had plenty of evidence for his argument. What do you bring?

>>508565617

> What are STDs
>What is rectal prolapse
>What is extremely rates of non monogamy

Like I said

> Mostly because said arguments boil down to - "homosexuality is bad because this form of practicing homosexuality has a probability of leading to negative consequences."

It's like arguing that transportation is bad because riding a bus without a mask during flu season carries the probability of getting sick. Unemployed people who stay at home are less likely to get sick therefore it's immoral to go to work.

There is literally no moral argument against homosexuality so the strategy is either to portray it as yucky or to lie. Both are extremely effective among the shitskins due to low IQ and inability to reason and thing in abstract concepts

>>508565830

I don't have to prove an action is moral, you have to prove it's immoral. Because morality is the default, immorality is a transgression and therefore demands argument *why it's bad*. Otherwise you could argue every action is immoral unless I can prove it is moral so I'd have to defend wearing socks, eating an apple, swimming in a pool etc.

>>508570670
>provide the stats on that inversely proportional increase
All I need to do is find at least one case where an abusive priest was moved and continued to abuse.

Are you saying these cases don't exist?

>>508570802
>>truth is found in who wins a war
The winners write history
>>508570802
>What do you bring?
Lurk more armchair cheerleader

>>508570324
larpstian kids genuinely believe True Christianity™ is whatever phase of the religion in whatever land they like the most
that is, some Germanic knights who were still called people of Odin in the middle ages and until few centuries earlier were battling Huns is what True Christianity™ is all about
monks on mount athos? GTFO with that fake christianity shit

>>508570885
christ is king

>>508568716
>Nothing about homophobes is loving.

You are dumb and gay.

>>>/cm/
Just look at all the shota threads and tell me fags are not inherently paedophilic.

>>508570805
This is question begging because you're restating the thing in question when I'm asking for a criteria that isn't ambiguous.
>Gay isn't a transgression
What is a transgression and is incest and necrophilia morally neutral and therefor permissible as well?

>>508570990
>whatever phase of the religion
St Basil the Great says in the other half of the quote, "but if you are compelled to become a soldier, you must abstain from Eucharist for 2 years as penance"
learn to read nigger

>>508570869
That data wouldn't show any strong correlation to demonstrate an inversely proportional case it would prove the opposite if the numbers didn't track strongly.
Grasping at straws and thinking trivial truths are succinct strong arguments won't help you.

>>508560522 (OP)
death to pride worldwide

>>508570869
>Are you saying these cases don't exist?
No I agree with you pedophilia exists everywhere, the thing we're debating is what system has the small cases of that and therefor what is a potential reductive factor.

>>508570805
its fucking gross and unnatural.

/thread

>>508571418
it doesn't change the first part of the quote, lil turkish cum guzzler
how's costantinopolis doing?

>>508569962

An intelligent comment worth a bump.

>>508571448
Again
>>508570869
>Are you saying these cases don't exist?
Of course you're not. Because you know they exists. Which is the point

plenty of lgbt people are christian too. i don't understand why you all act like there's two opposing side when they aren't

>>508571510
>No I agree with you pedophilia exists everywhere,
See
>>508571542

>>508571476
The right: you want to groom kids and allow them to transition
fags: no we don't that's slippery slope bs
literally all leftist lgbtq fags now support children transitioning.

>>508571522
Spoken like a true supreme gentleman *tips fedora*

>>508565262
>i wish we could throw the whole of the trans rights concept under that trolly
you realLy want that, we do too , but, we have a ace, we can activate megatron, but sadly everyone dies. so we have showed mercy so far.

>>508560522 (OP)
without jews lgbt shit wouldnt exist

>>508571557
Their strategy is to divide and conquer, that’s why.

Can’t have them getting along can we?

>>508571608
>literally all leftist lgbtq fags now support children transitioning.
they all need to die now.

>>508571542
You can't be this retarded, there would be a massive increase not just a number of one.
Random cases are proven not to be random if there is a strong enough correlation.
What part do you need help with?
Do you know what inversely proportional means?

>>508571520
>the first part
which forbids becoming a ZOGbot?
which is it faggot?
mental cortex deficiency clear as day

>>508570951
>Can't back up claims
>Seethes at basic criteria
You should lurk more.

>>508571629

Nu-atheist philistines and transgender degenerates ITT confused by the concept of "natural law".

>>508571805
You’re a kike planted to sow disruption between lgbt and religious whites aren’t you?
>>508571931

>>508571846
lmao are you calling the armies of the christian empire ZOGbots now? holy fuck the gaslighting and pilpul from vile and nasty christian vermin never ceases to amaze and surpass their masters, it's as clear as day what he's saying, if you have martial inclination, you aren't liked by God, at best if you are forced to join, don't do X

>>508571805
>You can't be this retarded
This is you
>>508571510
>No I agree with you pedophilia exists everywhere
And the Catholic Church shuffles around priests who abuse in new areas. This is a fact

>>508571805
>there would be a massive increase
Is irrelevant because I'm not arguing how much or less the increase is. But the fact it happens.

You are bringing up irrelevant points to muddy my point

>>508571899
>>Can't back up claims
What claim?

>>508569962
Furthermore;
The cliche of "it's none of my business what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom" comes from John Stuart Mill's concept of the harm principle. He was an influential liberal philosopher from 19th century England and he was trained in the utilitarian school of Jeremy Bentham. You can't separate English liberalism and English utiliarianism from the nihilistic way modern people think, i.e., denying the reality of immaterial values in order to reduce the moral life down to economic transactions where the golden rule is "not bothering people" and "minding your own business". This way of thinking is cancer to all higher spirituality and idealism.

>>508569213
Retard, the old testament was written in 300bc and there's literally no evidence for exodus or flood or whatever schizo babble before that

>>508572101
>And the Catholic Church shuffles around priests who abuse in new areas. This is a fact
Thank you, now you finally know what I'm asking for, give me a source to show the numbers go up after this was safeguard I referenced was implemented.

Christ chuds btfo

>>508571976

So we tolerate the "LGBT" in the right wing nationalist community now do we?

>>508572102
>"not bothering people" and "minding your own business". This way of thinking is cancer
Then enjoy the cycle of one extreme begetting the other

>>508571336

I'm not restating the question, I'm claiming human actions are moral until proven otherwise. For homosexuality to be immoral you'd have to prove it is. You're trying to weasel out of it by reaching for other things (incest and necrophillia) because you can't prove homosexuality itself is immoral.

You can just as easily use the same rhetoric ti "prove" heterosexuality is immoral. Sexually active heterosexuals have higher rates of STDs and are more likely to cheat therefore heterosexuality is immoral and should be banned.

>>508572224
Heil Jesus, sister

>>508572210
every culture has a flood mythology. the story of the flood is the hardest thing to criticize given that most historic cultures wrote a flood story

>>508560522 (OP)
Christians arnt opposed to homosexuals nor is it a POLITICAL bulwark to stop them. It can't even address the fucking kikes that spawn these people and give them political power in the first place.

>>508572256
> So we tolerate the "LGBT" in the right wing nationalist community now do we?
Yes

>>508572224
>>And the Catholic Church shuffles around priests who abuse in new areas. This is a fact
>Thank you
Glad we agree
>give me a source to show the numbers go up
I don't need too. As you agreed these cases exists. That's the point

>>508572256
you're the retard conflating christianity with right wing politics. that right wing stuff is on you

>>508565830
God put the g-spot there my dude

>>508572093
>armies of the christian empire
you don't even know what this thing you said even actually is...

>>508572224

Gay priests protecting gay priests. It's called the Lavender Mafia. No gay priests, no more abuse.

>>508572295
Don't dodge the question, what is transgression?
After you answer that basic question you can answer the question you cried about.
The only one weaseling out is you because you didn't define transgression which is the thing your argument rests on.

>>508572256
Everybody knows traps are natsoc now
Do try and keep up

>>508572326
Is that your church?
That sucks that you celebrate faggotry, get well soon.

>>508561611
Ding ding ding

Here is the real argument against fags. They are gross disease bags who stick their dick in anything.

Christianty on the other hand is secretly enabling it by presenting NO argument other then the Bible said so and in order to hold that position you must worship the kike on a stick. Disgusting, back handed, people cowardly people.

>>508572418
One case existing wouldn't show a inversely proportional increase unless there was only one case of pedophilia in catholic schools.
Has there only ever been one case of sexual abuse in a catholic school?
>No
Now you get my point finally.

>>508572438
Are you saying you take it up the ass?

>>508572602
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0co__T0ZfrU

>>508572602
>>508572694

>>508572294
>>508572694

>>508572730
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2S_wQC_k-RE

>>508572470
I agree with you that gay priests offend way more, I'm not protecting them, these people genuinely think that Christianity creates more pedophiles than the secular people right now.

>>508572731
I know the luke warm right claims that man but that gaslighting won't work on /pol/
Come back with a better bait

>>508561897
The last pope tried to go full gay. Oh wait not that version of the church either. Show me a video of your church service. I bet there is lots of kike cock sucking going on. There is only one good church and that's the westboro Baptist church.

>>508572985
>irrelevant Aussie declares that alex jones is “luke warm right”
Yeah okay

>>508572931
I'm glad you agree with me alex jones was a faggot for doing this, you should post this more so he's shamed for it and never does it again, you're doing gods work.

>>508573080
>Yeah okay
User forgets they are using /pol/ and /pol/ isn't a place dedicated to some fever dream about 1984 and a surveillance state unlike Alex Jones.

>>508560656
>>508560604

NEW THREAD

>>508573160
>>508573160
>>508573160

>>508573126
Hear me out

What if you were the faggot all along

>>508572516

My argument is that there is no way to prove homosexuality is immoral under current moral framework without appealing to blind faith in jewish mythology. I only mentioned a transgression in passing several replies down so you're trying to use it to put me ona defense and bait me away from my original point into a different discussion you hope to be in a better position.

Unfortunately for you, I won't move away from my original argument until you disprove it.

> there is no way to prove homosexuality is immoral under current moral framework without appealing to blind faith in jewish mythology.

Can you disprove it? Don't waste my time if not, I won't reply

>>508573274
Is it me or you with your camera roll filled with men being caricatures of women?

>>508572988

You don't understand the principle of papal infallibility. Arguing with you is a waste of my time. You are not my peer.

>>508573397
Is it me or do you keep obsessing about the photos of the traps?

>>508572694
>One case existing wouldn't show a inversely proportional increase
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_transfers_of_abusive_Catholic_priests#:~:text=In%20one%20case%20(first%20revealed,would%20not%20cease%20the%20abuse.

>>508573330
>THERES NOTHING MORALLY WRONG WITH DESTROYING YOURSELF IN THE MOST HUMILIATING WAY POSSIBLE

>>508573330
wtf r u talking about lol
you said something immoral is when it's a transgression, therefor you have a standard for when an action enters the realm of morality.
because you're goal post shifting I'll say this
I'm going to assume you think pedophilia is morally wrong and I agree.
Can you tell me what the thing is that makes that immoral?
Once you answer that question I know your criteria for sexual morality and we can go further with the discussion.
>there is no way to prove homosexuality is immoral under current moral framework without appealing to blind faith in jewish mythology.
This is presupposing that there is a way to prove anything is immoral, which is the standard I've been asking for the whole time.
>Can you disprove it? Don't waste my time if not, I won't reply
Also yes I've spent a lot of time making a coherent secular argument against homosexuality but I won't reveal it because me giving a "good" argument presupposes some right standard for the operation of morality which is the thing I'm still asking for.

>>508573487
That's a loaded question, why are you assuming I'm obsessed?

>>508573330

I'll take this rant as proof that you can't, cheers

>>508573539
Australia
>Cardinal George Pell sat on a committee that approved moving Australia's most notorious sexually abusive priest Gerald Ridsdale from parish to parish dozens of times, including Mildura, Swan Hill, Warrnambool, Apollo Bay, Ballarat and Mortlake,[6] "allowing the priest to abuse countless more children while keeping the scandal under wraps".[7][8]

Austria
>Joseph Seidnitzer (Stainz, 1920 – Innsbruck, 1993), was an Austrian priest, missionary, and the founder and director of Priesterwerk, who was convicted multiple times for sexual abuse of boys aged 18 and over (at the time, people younger than 21 years were considered underage).[9] His criminal method was to invite young men into his apartment, make them obedient with liqueurs, and then force them to perform sexual acts.[9] The Tages-Anzeiger in 2010 described Seidnitzer's life as 'the classic biography of an abusive priest of his time': 'Despite his repeated relapses, the Church sought to cover up the assaults, gave him new opportunities, and simply moved him to other places. He was convicted several times in this process.'[9] In 1954, Seidnitzer was convicted to eight months of heavy dungeon (schwerer Kerker) in Styria, in 1958 to one year heavy dungeon "aggravated by a hard bed" (verschärft durch ein hartes Lager) in Innsbruck, and in 1960, after committing two sexual assaults in Interlaken (Switzerland) and fleeing, he was arrested in Innsbruck and again convicted to 14 months imprisonment there.[9] The Church allowed him to found his organisation Priesterwerk ("Priest Work") in 1973.[9] Although he was suspended in 1979,[10] Bishop Pavol Hnilica rehabilitated Seidnitzer inside the Church in 1991, and after Seidnitzer's death in 1993, Hnilica renamed his organisation Familie Mariens ("Family of Mary") and secured papal recognition for the organisation in 1995.[10]

>>508571931
Sad really. Nu-athiests would rather sitting around sniffing their own farts then learn.

>>508572101
The ones you made. Lurk more and learn how a thread works.

>>508572813
>AI
Summfag detected

>>508573539
Belgium
>In 2010, the Belgian Chamber of Representatives installed the Special Commission on Sexual Abuse to investigate sexual abuse in power relations, especially within the Catholic Church.[11] The Follow-up Commission on Sexual Abuse produced a report in 2011, that included a regulation that no convicted priest may be moved to another parish where he could once again come into contact with children, and the Catholic Church in Belgium agreed to stop this practice.[12] Nevertheless, bishop Jozef De Kesel of Bruges tried to appoint a priest convicted of molestation in 2008 to the parish of Middelkerke in 2014. The priest eventually backed down from the appointment. De Kesel apologised to any sexual abuse victims he might have offended when the Follow-up Commission asked him for clarification.[12]

Brazil
>Fr. Tarcísio Tadeu Spricigo was arrested after his checklist for choosing victims was found and given to police. He had molested children in at least five parishes he was moved to.[13][14][15] In November 2005 he was sentenced to a prison term of over 14 years.[16][17] The case was one of those featured in an episode of the BBC's Panorama documentary series titled Sex Crimes and the Vatican (2006) and became an example of the Vatican's policies regarding paedophile priests.[18]

Canada
>In August 2006, Catholic priest Charles Sylvestre pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting 47 girls (aged 7 to 15) between 1954 and 1986. For four decades, the police buried all filed reports instead of acting on them, while the Catholic Church repeatedly "solved" all the complaints and accusations by moving Sylvestre to a new parish, including Bluewater, Ontario (where he was first reported), an unnamed place in Quebec, then Delhi, London, Windsor, Chatham-Kent and Pain Court (all in Ontario), where he made new victims. He died three months into his three-year jail term.[19][20]

>>508573995
>(((Joseph Seidnitzer)))
the Spanish Inquisition Did Nothing Wrong

>>508573539
Give me the stats not individual cases and their story references.
Also please take into account how much convincing I had to do to make you understand you'd need a source and not a concession of one individual.

>>508573539
France
>Bernard Preynat is a French former priest who committed multiple sexual assaults against children at a boyscout camp in Sainte-Foy-lès-Lyon between 1972 and 1991.[21] After parents complained about Preynat's behaviour, he was moved to Neulise (Loire department) at the other end of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Lyon do to "penance" under the supervision of Father Jean Plaquet.[21] Inhabitants of the village appeared to be well-aware that he was there as a church punishment for sexual transgressions, though only through rumours that were not always correct; as of 2016, there were no known cases of sexual abuse by Preynat in Neulise.[21] In 1999, Cardinal Louis-Marie Billé transferred Preynat to Cours-la-Ville (Rhône department), where he was allowed to work with children again; in February 2016, parents accused Preynat of having (possibly sexually) abused their daughter during an irregular confessional session there in 2003.[21] In June 2011, a former victim called Laurent came forward accusing Preynat of having sexually assaulted him in Sainte-Foy-lès-Lyon from 1979 to 1982.[21] In September 2011, Cardinal Philippe Barbarin moved Preynat to Le Coteau (Loire department), where he was appointed in a priestly function, with his "penance" apparently being over.[21] He was allowed to work with children again, although he was under high surveillance by other adults to make sure he was never alone with a child. In September 2014, former victims tracked down Preynat and began to campaign for him to be prosecuted. He was allowed to work with children until August 2015, and in November 2015 Preynat was indicted and his ecclesiastical court case began.[21] On 27 January 2016, his secular court case began. Preynat was defrocked by the Catholic Church in July 2019, and on 16 March 2020 he was sentenced to five years imprisonment by the Criminal Court of Lyon.[22]

>>508573945
No argument, get wrecked, hopefully your serbian neighbours find out you love faggotry and want their acceptance.

>>508573539
Germany
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A well-documented case involves Peter Kramer, ordained as priest in Viechtach in 1997, who abused two boys in 1999, and was convicted to three years probation in 2000, in which time he was barred from working with children and had to undergo therapy. However, in 2001 he was transferred to a parish in Riekofen where he worked with young children again, violating the court order, and in 2004 was officially appointed as the priest of Riekofen. Bishop Manfred Müller and bishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller were accused of mishandling the case, with the presiding judge commenting: "To send a priest convicted of abuse back into a parish is like a bank employing a criminal convicted of fraud as a treasurer." Kramer was imprisoned for eight years in 2010.[23][24]

On 25 September 2018, the German Catholic Bishops' Conference released a report (which it commissioned in 2014) that reported that 3,677 children in Germany, mostly boys under age 13, were sexually abused by Catholic clergy members over the past seven decades. About 1,670 church workers, or 4.4% of the clergy, had been involved in the abuse. In 60% of the cases, the alleged offender escaped justice. In many of these instances, the accused priest was simply relocated to another parish without informing the new community about his alleged past crime(s).[25] By systematically moving the priests, the Church attempted to hush up their crimes.[26]
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>>508574215
Funny how I mentioned america and their schooling systems and you're showing priests that have been moved to other churches, which is a mistake these people should be ex communicated btw, but this still isn't evidence for an inversely proportional increase from schools to churches.

>>508574318
On 20 January 2022, a team of five lawyers of Westpfahl Spilker Wastl published a 1000+ page investigative report on child sexual abuse cases in the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising, and the ecclesiastical response to them, finding that Joseph Ratzinger (archbishop of Munich and Freising 1977–1982, later Pope Benedict XVI 2005–2013) mishandled four cases.[27] In one case (first revealed in 2010), the Church had known that priest Peter H. had abused children (for example, it knew since the late 1970s that he had given an 11-year-old boy alcohol and had repeatedly abused him in Essen), but he was appointed to new positions, and could therefore continue his spree of abuse for 30 years.[27] H. was then transferred to the Munich archdiocese for therapy, but soon reappointed as priest, and he resumed sexually abusing children.[27] Even after receiving a criminal condemnation in 1986, he would not cease the abuse.[27] In response to the Wastl report, ex-Pope Benedict (Ratzinger) denied having known about H.'s past abuse and said he was not present at the January 1980 diocesan meeting at which the decision was made to transfer H. from Essen to Munich.[27] However, the lawyers team showed in the minutes of meeting that Ratzinger had been present, and concluded that he had to have known about H.'s past abuse.[27]

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>>508573539
Ireland
>Tony Walsh was a Catholic priest who, according to chapter 19 of the Murphy Report (published in 2010), "was moved from one parish to the next 'to prevent a scandal' and kept on abusing children, even though his superiors knew about it."[28]

Italy
>Journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi compiled a number of cases of parochial transfers of alleged pedosexual priests in Italy. For example, in 1980, a priest who molested a boy in a school in the parish of Valleggia in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Savona-Noli, was moved ten kilometres away to Spotorno to supervise a Boy Scout troop at the local Catholic youth centre, where new complaints were made against him. Bishop Dante Lanfranconi of Savona then moved him a few kilometres away to a community centre for troubled youths in Orco Feglino. Former diocesan treasurer Carlo Rebagliati warned Domenico Calcagno, who became the new bishop of Savona in 2002, about the danger of this priest because of his daily contact with minors, but Calcagno dismissed his concerns as mere rumours. A victim of abuse who contacted Calcagno was told not to take the priest to court, because the priest "might commit suicide and then I would have that on my conscience." In 2003 Calcagno finally wrote a letter to cardinal Joseph Ratzinger for advice, providing a full documentation of claims of sexual abuse by the priest since 1980. Ratzinger (who became Pope Benedict XVI two years later) is not known to have replied, but the priest in question was later moved to Portio Magnone (12 km from Feglino) to another Boy Scout camp where he was once again reported for sexual molestation. He remained in holy orders until voluntarily quitting the priesthood in 2010 without any prosecution.[29]

>>508574245
faggots btfo resort to ai and wiki copypasta

>>508573539
Netherlands
>On 14 September 2018, NRC Handelsblad compiled a list of Roman Catholic cardinals and bishops in the Netherlands who ineptly dealt with accusations of child sexual abuse, including parochial transfers of suspects.[30] At least sixteen cardinals, bishops and auxiliary bishops transferred known paedosexual priests to other parishes, all of whom were no longer in holy orders and their cases all exceeded the statute of limitations by the time of the NRC publication.[31] The next day, a spokesperson of the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands confirmed that NRC's investigation was carefully conducted and the findings were largely correct.[31]

Cardinal Bernardus Alfrink, archbishop of Utrecht from 1955 to 1975, moved a pastor, sentenced to four months in prison for abuse of underage girls, from Zutphen to Slagharen in 1956 and later to Netterden, where he abused another girl in 1967; Alfrink ignored a warning letter from another pastor and moved the convicted pastor to Eemnes and then to Lunteren.[30] The cardinal did not intervene in a chaplain's case in Groenlo, moved another pastor to Haarle where he molested again, promoted an Utrecht chaplain who confessed to abusing boys to a priest in Braamt where he continued abusing children, and promoted an Arnhem chaplain known to have abused altar servers to pastor in Albergen where he abused another nine altar servers.[30]

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>>508574357
Omg just shuttup already

>>508574448
These aren't numbers, I need the number of priests being transferred and then the increase in the places they were transferred to, just numbers will prove me wrong.
Otherwise I'm bored and out of this thread

>>508574609
Cardinal Adrianus Simonis, bishop of Rotterdam (1970–1983) and archbishop of Utrecht (1983–2007), ignored well-documented accusations against the Albergen pastor in 1983. He appointed a man, that he knew was convicted of sexual abuse of boys in 1990 in Zoetermeer, to pastor in 1991 in Amersfoort where he abused children again, and did not prevent his 2005 appointment to pastor in Eindhoven. He ignored a victim's letter against auxiliary bishop Jan Niënhaus in 2000, and in 2007 ordained a father known to have abused pupils in a Twello boys boarding school to acolyte (leading altar serve in Oldenzaal. In 2010, he said on live television show Pauw & Witteman that Wir haben es nicht gewußt ("We did not know about it").[30]

Martinus Jansen, bishop of Rotterdam (1956–1970), in 1965 reappointed a priest convicted of molestation elsewhere in his diocese. He also appointed a priest, that he knew had committed sexual abuse in a pastoral relation in 1965, to religious teacher in an Oudenbosch boys boarding school; the priest went on to sexually abuse three underage boys there around 1970.[30]

Philippe Bär, bishop of Rotterdam (1983–1993), transferred multiple priests accused or found guilty of abuse to other dioceses when he could no longer maintain their position in his own. Did not undertake action in at least five cases, and is known to have had sex with underage students of his own priestly seminary.[30]

>>508574704
Ad van Luyn, bishop of Rotterdam (1993–2011), when leading a Salesian congregation in 1979 urged the police to stop prosecuting a Rijswijk priest in a case of sexual abuse; the suspect was transferred to a parish in Terneuzen where he abused children again. In 1995 he appointed a priest, who had already confessed to abusing children in 20 separate cases, to doing pastoral and youth work; when the priest transgressed again, Van Luyn waited six months before transferring him to Amersfoort in the archdiocese of Utrecht, where he once again abused children. He ignored complaints by three victims in 2002, 2008 and 2010 and covered them up.[30]

Guillaume Lemmens, bishop of Roermond (1932–1957), maintained a priest in his diocese for 20 years, even though he knew the man was convicted in 1941 for abusing two boys and a girl in Sittard. He died in 1960; in 2011 the diocese acknowledged that a 1946 complaint against the priest for abusing a seven-year-old girl in Doenrade was valid, and that the priest in question (then director of a Heel lunatic asylum and a Sittard hospital) was examined by the police again in 1952.[30]

Petrus Moors, bishop of Roermond (1959–1970), appointed a Belgian priest, knowing he had been convicted of sexually abusing boys, to chaplain in Broekhem-Valkenburg in 1959, where the chaplain abused boys once more. Nevertheless, Moors appointed the chaplain in 1966 to Hulsberg and in 1968 to Venlo, where he transgressed again. Moors did not act against a chaplain known to have abused multiple children; the chaplain went on to rape a 17-year-old girl in Heerlen in 1961. Despite numerous warnings, the man remained a pastor in Breust-Eijsden and later Puth-Schinnen until 1982. In 1969, bishop Moors transferred a chaplain from Maastricht, where he was known to have abused children, to Thorn, where the chaplain struck again. He appointed a Rolduc seminary teacher who had previously abused underage boys to pastor in Sittard and Tegelen.[30]

>>508574784
Wilhelmus Mutsaerts, bishop of Den Bosch (1943–1960), in 1957 moved a Grave chaplain to a new parish in Tilburg, knowing he had abused an altar server 'very frequently', personally seeing to it that the matter received no publicity. In 1959, he moved the chaplain again, to an institute for deaf-mute children in Sint-Michielsgestel. One of his victims was later paid 15,000 euros for pain and suffering.[30]

Jan Bluyssen, bishop of Den Bosch (1966–1983), transferred an Oisterwijk pastor imprisoned for five months in 1968 for abusing six altar servers to the diocese of Groningen, where he became chaplain in Sneek that same year, and later pastor in Groningen city. The victims were ordered to remain silent and not given any care; decades later, five of the victims got a combined compensation of almost €100,000. Bluyssen also destroyed documents implicating several clerics in the 1970s.[30]

Antoon Hurkmans, bishop of Den Bosch (1998–2016), in 2004 appointed a priest to pastor in Helmond; that priest had two years earlier resigned from his position of director of the episcopal priest seminary after accusations of rape and sexual abuse of boys.[30]

Martin de Groot, acting bishop of Haarlem (1966), in 1966 transferred a chaplain from Den Helder to a parish in Amsterdam; the chaplain had been convicted of sexual abuse in 1958.[30]

Theodorus Zwartkruis, bishop of Haarlem–Amsterdam (1966–1983), in 1970 transferred a chaplain convicted for abuse from Amsterdam to the diocese of Groningen, where he became a pastor in Emmeloord; Zwartkruis did not inform Groningen's bishop Bernhard Möller about the chaplain's criminal history. He also transferred another chaplain three times between 1974 and 1983 after complains of child abuse. Zwartkruis had a policy of ignoring and destroying anonymous letters implicating abusive priests.[30]

>>508574865
Pieter Nierman, bishop of Groningen–Leeuwarden (1956–1969), appointed an Oisterwijk pastor, who had in 1968 been convicted of sexually abusing six underage boys, to chaplain in Sneek that same year, and later to pastor in Groningen.[30]

Joseph Baeten, bishop of Breda (1951–1962), in 1956 appointed a known paedosexual pastor from a parish on the isle of Texel (diocese of Haarlem) to the Zealandic village of Hansweet, where the pastor transgressed again in 1959 and received a one-month suspended sentence. Then, the bishop transferred him to the Catholic hospital in Halsteren.[30]

In 2005, the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands introduced an obligatory screening of any priest's criminal record before any appointment can take place, and since 2014 clerics are required to provide evidence of good behaviour.[31]

>>508573539
Poland

In May 2019, the documentary Tell No One claimed amongst other things "that the Polish Church moved known paedophile priests from parish to parish, as happened in other countries."[32] One string of transfers is documented extensively by victims of father Andrzej Srebrzyński, led by Marek Mielewczyk from Kartuzy, who claims to have been sexually abused and raped multiple times by Srebrzyński from the age of 13 until he attempted suicide and was hospitalised in 1987.:45:50 Treating doctor Irena Drewla wrote a letter to bishop Marian Przykucki of Chełmno, informing him of Srebrzyński's abuse and rape of Mielewczyk. Bishop Przykucki responded on 20 January 1988, writing: 'I am familiar with the case. After the retreat programme, the priest was moved to another place, under the penalty that should this crime repeat, he'll be deprived of the possibility of performing his priestly vocation.':56:31 Nothing else was done with Mielewczyk's complaints, who recounts: "Years later, we found out that he was moved to Wejherowo; then to Czerna, a small town close to Czersk; then to Papowo Biskupie; then, much further, to Mszano, close to Brodnica; he was a parish priest there until 2013. Over ten victims of Srebrzyński came to me personally." Although Pope Francis finally defrocked Srebrzyński in 2016 (28 years after the Mielewczyk case was reported), he was seen participating during the June 2017 Lady of Fátima procession in Mogilno in full liturgical garment.:58:23[33]

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>>508575018
In December 2022, Poland-based Dutch investigative journalist Ekke Overbeek stated in an interview that his 3-year research in Polish archives had revealed evidence that Pope John Paul II during his time as archbishop Karol Wojtyła of Kraków (1962–1978) had known about sexual abuse of minors by priests in at least four cases, but had covered it up.[34] This included cases in which priests who had been convicted for sexual abuse, and had spent time in prison, were again appointed by Wojtyła as priest in another diocese after their release from prison.[34] Overbeek's allegations were challenged by two Polish journalists, Piotr Litka and Tomasz Krzyżak, however, who found that the future pope "did not cover up any abuse and consistently acted against such cases during his time as archbishop of Krakow from 1964 to 1978," having placed sanctions on priests found guilty of the sexual abuse of minors as much as his authority allowed. In the words of the Catholic News Agency: "The journalists said that Wojtyla 'made all the necessary decisions at that moment: the quick removal of the priest from the parish, the suspension until the matter was resolved, and the obligation to live in a monastery,' where civil authorities then arrested him." Litka and Krzyżak note that one of the priests mentioned by Overbeek, Eugeniusz Surgent, was from the Diocese of Lubaczów and not the Archdiocese of Krakow and therefore Wojtyła could have no influence on the fact that he was transferred to another diocese.[35]

>>508573539
Switzerland

In January 2018, a group of victims came forward in the Canton of Valais, saying they represented about 50 victims of sexual abuse, and accusing around 10 Catholic priests (3 of whom were still alive) in the Diocese of Sion. One victim claimed that "previous bishops had known about the sexual abuse but had done nothing except move some priests to other parishes." Bishop Jean-Marie Lovey responded by admitting priests were moved to other parishes "as a preventive measure", but denying that attempts were made to cover up the sexual abuse.[36]

United Kingdom

Further information: Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in Europe § United Kingdom
James Robinson worked in parishes in the English Midlands and when an accusation of child abuse happened in the 1980s, the Roman Catholic Church allowed him to escape to the United States though they knew about an "unwholesome relationship" the priest had with a boy. Robinson remained free for over 20 years till in the first decade of the 21st century he was extradited back to the UK to face charges. Robinson has received a 21-year prison sentence for multiple child sex offences.[37][38] The Roman Catholic Church paid Robinson up to £800 per month despite knowing the allegations against him.[39]