>>508574115 (OP)
They ignore anything that challenges their delusion

>>508574115 (OP)
No, everybody ignores him.

>>508574115 (OP)
>>508575082
Okay tell me why I shouldn't believe in a god.

Who's that?

>>508575335
Peter Hitchens' brother.

>>508574115 (OP)
i believe in God for my sake not for your validation or for other people's validation. i actually enjoy believing in God or having the faith to become aware of God's existence.

>>508575307
Why? The argument has been made a zillion times and you haven't listened. There's plenty of info out there.

>>508574115 (OP)
Didn't he turn out to be a homosexual?

>>508575664
can you list some personal gains that i would from rejecting God by believing in atheism?

>>508575664
You're the one trying to change MY beliefs, faggot.

>>508574115 (OP)

Why would I pay attention to the drunken ramblings of a pseudointellectual English poofter?

>>508575825
that i would gain* from

>>508574115 (OP)
Wasn’t he just a dick and that was the main thrust

abiogenesis niggers BTFO

>>508574115 (OP)
>literally worked for a Neocon think tank
RUMAO.

>>508575664
>argument fails to convince people
>ur just not listening
Have you tried not being a fag about it?

>>508575664
Exactly, I've heard the same dry uninspiring arguments from internet atheists for the past twenty years they're not going to suddenly change my mind now.
It's not like they even came up with anything new themselves, they just found a way to repackage it to appeal to 13 year old edgelords

New Atheism was purely a Zionist psyop meant to justify endless wars in the Middle East to a liberal and non religious audience. Not a coincidence almost all of those faggots were friends with Epstein.

>>508575825
I can list benefits for rejecting foreskin god and returning to Dyeus pater

i believe in God because i have something to gain from it. i can't see anything that i could gain from rejecting God and from believing in atheism, can you? if you do, could you list some of them?

>>508575825
That has nothing to due with whether it's true or not, so why would I bother to do that?
>>508575921
Am I?

>>508576327
>I can list benefits for rejecting foreskin god and returning to Dyeus pater
go ahead and list them

>your conscience won't bother you when you sin
but i enjoy having a conscience and having connection to it, so i consider that idea to be a loss rather than a gain

>>508575939
He was a Jew

>>508576433
>That has nothing to due with whether it's true or not, so why would I bother to do that?
because our personal experiences and realities are the product or fruits of our beliefs.

bad beliefs = bad experiences

>>508574115 (OP)
>>508575082
What polemics?
>evil exits
Yes this has never ever been addressed by any religious leaders (I jest). Hitchens is a poster boy for midwit atheists for a reason

>>508574115 (OP)

It's such a shame Christopher died when he did, would have been really interesting to see what he would have made of the batshit turbo AIDS that is 2010's era modern leftist social progressivism.

>>508574115 (OP)
The arguments are cursed in the present-day. He looks silly and outdated. Plus he died super young.

>>508576433
Why would I want to change my beliefs if nobody gave me a reason to?

>>508574115 (OP)
>>508575082
why do atheists force others to follow them?
anyone can believe whatever they want

>>508576579
If your faith is based on whether or not it will benefit your life you're missing the point of your own religion

>>508575664
KEK. Retard alert. I’ve heard a hundred arguments against god. It isnt that Im not listening. Its that they are bad arguments.

>>508575664
And yet I remain unconvinced. I did see an angel when I was 19 though so I get that's an uphill battle for anyone trying to convince me otherwise

Hitch was a fantastic orator and had collosal balls. The dry sharp with, the droll delivery and facing problems in reality like an adult.
However:
>found out he was jewish later in life
>had gay encounters as a young man at university (typical British nonce behaviour)
>was a Trotskyist.

Love watching his videos, love his speeches, love his books, but the guy had deep flaws, inherent and otherwise.

Wasn't this guy a shill for genocide in Iraq?

>>508576738
Bit tired of gaytheists forcing their disbelief down my throat ngl tbhwyfam

>>508576765
salvation through faith in Jesus is an experiential reality, i wouldn't believe in God if my faith in Him gives me realities or experiences that i would consider to be bad as in unfavourable to me.

>>508574115 (OP)
remote viewing
astral projection
out of body experiences
psychic phenomena
ghosts
mediumship

My god, how utterly lost must one be to self-identify as an "atheist"? I understand the desire to trash religion, because 99% of the spiritual content of the West is Abrahamic Cultist trash, which cannot receive enough hate and backlash for justice to ever be reached, fuck them and all proponents of them.
Some atheists are so dumb they lump religion and spirituality together, or pretend that religion is the only source of spirituality. Others at least acknowledge the difference, and try attacking the above list, but it's too late, there's far too much data now. The reason nobody really discusses atheism anymore is because it's not serious, and all the serious thinkers have moved on to more nuanced perspectives.

>>508576738
Sure, but that doesn't mean all beliefs are true. In fact, most aren't.

>>508577541
Then your faith is very brittle and you must be quite young

>>508574115 (OP)
I don’t take any dyel fatcel seriously and neither should you.

>>508574115 (OP)
Christopher hitchens is the same as every popular academic where they come out with a valid point, become popular and then retreat up their own ass

>>508577329
British people arnt really witty they just have an accent

>>508578125
it's brittle because i have love/preference for God?

>>508577852
>here's a list of things that aren't really
You're not serious, right?

>>508574115 (OP)
Such as his support for the war in Iraq?

>>508576738
>why do atheists force others to follow them?
It's a religion.

>>508574115 (OP)
>Can you please stop believing in Jesus thread #6,000,000 on /pol/

>>508581236
jew worshipper for life!

>>508576246
Christians (the american retards who want to become jews) are behind the endless wars in mid east tho
the schizo jew worshippers believe their king rabbi will come back when he sees jews in israel are about to get TKD'd and save them from muslims. That's when he will turn all white people into jews like him and live happily ever after

>>508575664
So you know that the arguments are actually pretty weak and people here will destroy them.
I thought that Jews were supposed to be good at debating.

>>508582138
>Jesus is just some jew
That is what (((they))) want you to think

>>508583142
They're just good a talking in circles

>>508574115 (OP)
Did you (YOU) know that Christopher Hitchens was good friends with David Irving. He defended him on numerous occasions. Even wrote an article about him in vanity fair when they tried to boycott his publisher's for releasing his books.
Here is the article.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/1996/06/hitlers-ghost-christopher-hitchens?srsltid=AfmBOorQtE5JgpAK4mOSTdzzVdw-auTdNPmCycC451VSs1anLxtYMGPN

Hitchens said he was one of the best historians on the Third Reich. Said he learned more from his books that every other historian on subject combined.

Here he is defending him on Charlie Rose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMxleCC5VVg [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMAAiS5Ljsw [Embed]

Other video of him defending holocaust denial and David Irving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AxLlwdGPNk [Embed]

Also not a very known titbit is that Norman Finkelstein also regards Irving as a good historian and has even praised him for his detailed research.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SgYfucoqas&t=979s

I know Hitchens was cringe about atheism and a neo con but he was good on free speech. He also though Zionism was bad and despite raging about muslims he thought what was happening in Gaza was inhumane.

>>508583506
>Also not a very known titbit is that Norman Finkelstein also regards Irving as a good historian and has even praised him for his detailed research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SgYfucoqas&t=979s

>>508577417
Unfortunately yes, in a way. Although he did regret it later in life.

>>508575307
You want to believe in a god, that's fine. Leave us out of it. Stop telling everyone how to vote based on what "god" told you. Stop demanding special treatment for your religion. Stop harrassing people who don't share your beliefs.

>>508584284
What a stain that must be, influencing the death of 500k children

>>508575557
Ok, have fun.

>Makes a career out of verbally attacking god
>Dies from throat cancer

He never had any decent rational arguments and only appeals to emotions, but either way I feel sorry for him may he rest in peace

>>508584569
>Stop harrassing people who don't share your beliefs.
The same can be said to the atheists who have a long track record of harassing people over their religious beliefs. This is historically undeniable.

>>508581236
All religious threads, pro and anti, should be jannied.

>>508574115 (OP)
>If god exists why can't I see him?

His polemics in a nutshell

>>508584949
Number of atheists who've hassled me at work: 0
Number of believers who've hassled me at work: dozens if not hundreds

>>508584608
He got duped, usually he was good on sussing out kikery, he was opposed to what israel was doing to palestinians, he sussed out the Clintons way before anyone else did. It was just that the muslim hate was so powerful during that time, he obviously missed the mark.

His atheist stuff was cringe in retrospect but his stance on free speech has been impeccable. I respect that he stood up for Irving while everyone was piling on and wanted to send him to jail - which they did.

>>508584790
Somebody was alive and then they died? HOLY SHIT!

His Mos Def co-panel was kino

>>508574115 (OP)
his bad faith arguments, childish and petty insults, straw manning, and willful misunderstanding?

>>508585167
He was also a regular speaker on Radio Free Europe. Did he also get duped into speaking for a notorious CIA outlet?

>>508574115 (OP)
Lol. Most Christians ignore the polemics of christ never mind anyone else.

>>508574115 (OP)
They're starting project bluebeam, whatever you do, do not board the ships, frens.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uY_xgaPRYxA

>>508585113
>trust me bro atheists don’t harass people
Lol

>>508585435
I'm not sure about that. Every media during that time was compromised. Tell me one outlet at that time that was no intelligence pozzed?

>>508585950
I don't know, but doubtful outlets are one thing, outright propaganda pieces set up on a remote island quite another.

There is a great point in Galloway vs Hitchens debate where the host asks Hitchens did he notice how the mass media got much more friendlier to him and he struggles to find an answer.

>>508585921
>Trust me bro it's historically undeniable that atheists harass christians.
Lol

>>508586106
>Radio Free Europe
I'm honestly not familiar with that outlet. You are probably right. I mean he was a columnist for Vanity Fair so...

But he did write that Irving piece defending him on Vanity Fair so, respect for that. Can you imagine something like this nowadays...

>>508585266
He was an apologist?

>>508574115 (OP)
>polemics
Is that the new buzzword you are all parroting now so you can sound all intellectual and haughty? Just admit that you like to suck dick, most of you have and it's all good if that's really your thing

>>508574115 (OP)
He never presented an argument against religion. Hitchens can only argue for atheism emotionally.
>religious people? baaad....
>people dying? God baaaad...

>>508575557
>The argument has been made a zillion times and you haven't listened
yeah... it's interesting that atheists would say that...

brother, atheists keep demanding a giant glowing cross in the sky and a booming voice echoing off the mountains
but even if God did reveal himself in exactly that way they would still reject Him

He came in the flesh and spoke directly to people and healed and performed miracles and even straight up died in the body for us.
if that doesn't convince them then nothing will.

they believe that Cleopatra existed.
they believe that humans evolved from monkeys
they believe that space is expanding at an accelerating rate and therefore defying entropy
they believe that literally everything came from literally nothing

their problem, though they deny it, is not one of evidence

their problem is that they love gay sex and porn and drugs and pride and money and violence and all sorts of sin more than they love the truth, more than God

they would rather die than admit that they've done anything wrong and need forgiveness
they would rather die than serve and love

it's their choice
because God loves us so much that he gives us precisely that choice
but God is not our slave to abuse, He's not our low-esteem-fat-gf willing to put up with anything and desperate to please us
God has already held out His hand and offered salvation, forgiveness, and eternal life... atheists are like the evil bitter angry BPD girlfriend who slaps the hand away and wants to continue acting like a complete jerk all the time rather than just be cool and continue on in love together

that line from pulp fiction: hear that, atheists? That rebellion, that raging voice of rejection and anger? That's pride messing with you. Pride wants to destroy you. Why listen to it? I know why. I was once there myself. I still fight it myself. But why give in to it?

>>508575921
relax, anon, there's no need to call names
you don't catch fish by shouting

I know it' silly to speculate but if he was alive today I think he would point out his mistakes, he would probably be appalled by what the "humanist/atheist"' movement has become.

>>508586390
>n-no u
I’ll remember this interaction next time I read about some secular atheist group filing suit over a perceived slight.

> he was a member of various socialist organisations in his early life, including the Trotskyist International Socialists

nice try jew, kikes get the ice axe.

>>508587970
I think he was anon

>>508574115 (OP)
They know that he's right so their whole strategy is to refuse to acknowledge him

>>508587762
Imagine projecting this hard.

>>508588167
>p-projecting!
>freedom from religion and american atheists are not real!
Hilarious.

https://becketfund.org/media/atheists-give-1b-church-tax-lawsuit/

>>508574115 (OP)
No, we ignore self-important cunts who think their "intellect" is the end-all, be-all of topical discussion. You look like whiny faggots to us.

Glory to God.

>>508574115 (OP)
he redpilled me on how to increase birthrates and ever since I'm spreading the gospel, birthrates will stay below replacement until female higher education goes down to about 10%

>>508585113
Nancy wishing you a Merry Christmas is not harassment, Aiden.

>>508589767
No, but christians constantly trying hand me tracts, giving fake compliments and fake conversations to give me a sales pitch whike I'm trying to work certainly are. Missed me with that gaslighting shit.

>>508589012
>Harassment is when someone tries to take away your special treatment.

>>508574115 (OP)
Polemics? Get fucked retard.

>>508590328
>Christians
>Anglokike diaspora fag country
Those aren't Christians anon.

>>508574115 (OP)
>>508575082
He pissed his pants and preyed at the end just like everybody else.

>>508575307
A problem for someone who wants to believe in only one God is that every religion's members appear to have divine transcendent experiences, attested supernatural events, and wholesome, fulfilling lives at about an equal rate. So either every religion has equally good evidence, or you throw all that stuff out so that Odinism, Daoism, and Judaism aren't all equally correct religions.
If you want to believe in every God there's some weirdness with separate magisteria, competing claims to the nature of physical things, and inter-religious conflict.

>>508591127
Of course not. They put honey in their porridge.

>>508591220
>It was real in my mind.

>>508591220
DYHASFTBTU?
Hitchens was a neocon who supported the Iraq war btw

>>508591748
So was Tucker Carlson

>>508576738
I believe you're a gullible dimwit

>>508590463
>sue over something clearly constitutional because you’re assblasted about religion
>loose
>I-it’s not harassment because I say so
Cope.

>>508584977
Politics and religion should be different but they aren't. Guess why? Because of religious retards. Look at USA Israel and Iran right now.