Thread 508637887

I know the Iran/Israel stuff is exciting, but has anyone else noticed how Russia is now setting up another major city for encirclement? Does Ukraine have a plan to stop it?

>>508637887 (OP)
/uhg/ says that they're winning, so it's settled. Ukraine won.

>>508637887 (OP)
Apologize right now!

>>508637887 (OP)
they're still on the outskirts of chasiv yar, which itself is a suburb of bakhmut, which was the last major battle and fell like 2 years ago. i used to think the russians didn't want to destroy infrastructure but it's plain to see now that after the saw what urban warfare did to wagner in bakhmut, they are far too casualty averse to actually storm a city. which is retarded because if they just stormed kiev with 200,000 or 300,000 soldiers the war would be over instead of losing like 500 guys a day for the next 10 years to drones in half baked encirclement operations. this war is retarded and it seems neither side actually wants to win and instead is just hoping the other side collapses. also, how does russia not have air superiority after 3 years? it took israel 3 hours to establish air superiority over iran and before the war most people would have ranked iran higher than ukraine as far as military power goes. ukraine is definitely losing and russia has the initiative blah blah blah but russia just seems completely incapable of mounting any large scale operations at this point.

>>508637887 (OP)
kikes losing on all fronts, gotta love to see it

>>508637887 (OP)
it's gonna take 3 years for them to get there

>>508637887 (OP)
>"major" city
there are still 400+ cities in stock

>>508637887 (OP)
You made this same thread 3 days ago and that line hasn't moved an inch.

>>508638491
>we didn't need that city
lmao

18-25 year olds will be drafted soon in Ukraine

Year 4 of special operation

>>508638625
The last place they took with a pop larger than 100 was a year ago anon.

>>508637887 (OP)
>major city
>10k people
when are going stop this SMO shit its a total fucking joke

>>508638962
>we're not losing FAST enough for my liking

>>508637887 (OP)
Ukraine has no path to victory. They will emulate their third reich heroes by collapsing.

>>508638426
Because it's a phoney war, there are many questions or the Russian leadership it using the war to demilitarize NATO. Why didn't Russia attack from the North in earnest? Why haven't they blown the Dnieper Bridges? Its clear they are using the Ukraine war to fuck with NATO, with their ultimate goal to launch an attack on Poland and the Baltics most likely. They don't really care about land, if they did they would of launched a counter attack once Ukraine's offensive failed in 23. They are using the war to learn about NATO weapons and tactics as well as destroying their equipment knowing they cannot replace theirs's as fast as their own.

>>508638962
>>508638933
>>508639356
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>>508638426
Vaxxies will never admit they were wrong and Nafoids will never admit they cared.

>>508639356
all good questions. as far as why they haven't attacked from the north in earnest and why haven't they blown the dniepr bridges, those are the most baffling questions of the war. i just don't see how losing, on the low end, 250k dead and 750k wounded fucks with nato nearly as much as it fucks with themselves, especially with their demography. i think it is a kremlin eugenics plan to cull all churkas while leaving the white populations of moscow and st. petersburg relatively unscathed. they saw the central asians and mogols were about to swamp them demographically so this is how they went about fixing their ethnic mix.

>>508639356
>their ultimate goal to launch an attack on Poland and the Baltics most likely.
The Baltics maybe, but they have NO interest in attacking Poland.

russia needs to capture something big like kharkiv for me to care desu

>muh encirclement
>muh cauldrons
and then nothing moves at all

>>508639880
>Winning largest landwar since WWII
B-b-b-but why?
Pathetic.

>>508637887 (OP)
Nothing new. The entire war has been Russia slowly encircling Ukrainians whom their incompetent commanders refuse to pull back, then suddenly within a few weeks tightening the noose and eradicating tens of thousands of Ukrainians as the remnants fall back to the next position Zelensky refuses to abandon and the cycle repeats.

>>508640191
i'm not asking why they are fighting, it is pretty obvious that it is in their strategic interest. my question is why they seem so averse to actually taking any major cities or fighting any urban battles in towns bigger than 50k. they've been within striking distance of kharkiv and sumy for nearly a year now and the most they've done is sent the odd motorcycle recon unit into some suburbs. the first major city falls and most of ukraine's backers might see the writing on the wall and walk. all this fucking around in encirclement ops just adds credence to the whole stalemate narrative and lets the uk, the french, and the baltics delude themselves into thinking ukraine is actually winning.

>>508640739
Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, there's no fucking 4d chess, no super secret amazing plan, and that russia just exhausted all of its resources and is stuck in a stalemate?

>>508640739
because the strategy is working. Putin's message is that Ukraine is occupied by a CIA planted regime and he is liberating them. Large cities means more civilian casualties, why fight them inside of the city when they are perfectly happy being killed in the fields. You really are one dumb fucking europoor.

>>508639356
The answer to those questions is that Russia really and repeatedly fucked up in the first six months of their invasion but are incapable of admitting defeat.

>>508641070
and then you've got this kind of dumbfuck cope narrative,

>>508640904
if you actually read the thread you'd see the first thing i said is that russia seems completely incapable of mounting any large scale operations. so obviously i've considered it. my question is more about why they are fighting for the donbass instead of taking sumy, which opens the door to kiev. bashing your head against places that have been fortified for 10+ years instead of just taking your extra field army of 400,000 guys that is just sitting around and pressuring the capital seems absolutely retarded. if they besiege kiev all of those formations fighting in the donbass might be forced to withdraw to support the capital anyways.

>>508641070
pretty fucking funny coming from a yank where your entire war strategy is gain air superiority and then march on the capital. seems to work pretty good too other than the problem of creating insurgencies. the russians did this in checnya as well, just leveled grozny and took it instead of chasing churkas all over the mountains.

>>508637887 (OP)
It's all about attrition at this point. Unfortunately for Ukraine I think the goal for Russia is two fold. First reduce NATO weapons, ammo and vehicles to the point of irrelevance, a goal which has largely been achieved. Their second goal is the demographic elimination of Ukraine, not their yet but getting close. I'm of the opinion that Russia's plan for the end of the war is to just apply constant pressure on the entire front until there's nobody left.

>>508640904
Is the stalemate in the room with us?

>>508641070
A CIA wouldn't do that

>>508641391
I think that extra field army is there for when the Ukrainian army breaks. Basically to bum rush Kiev once the Ukrainian units in the Donbass can't put up an effective defense anymore

>>508642089
you're probably right. do they come from belarus again or through sumy?

>>508639356
>Why didn't Russia attack from the North in earnest?
With what men and what equipment? The Russian army is big but not that big. Russia's economy is also big, but not that big again. They don't have an army of millions of soldiers with another, much larger army, of millions upon
millions of engineers, welders, technicians, electricians and so on to furnish their soldiers with sufficient quantities of IFVs, APCs, and tanks.

>Why haven't they blown the Dnieper Bridges?
Do you think this is some secret checkmate move lol
Ukraine can just repair these bridges and use pontoons to cross the river. It's not difficult. Russia could attack these bridges, and they have, but it's not cost-effective.

>They don't really care about land, if they did they would of launched a counter attack once Ukraine's offensive failed in 23
This is the Russian counter attack. Russia is maxed out and punching as hard as it can.

>>508642242
My guess is it will largely be a repeat of the start of the war. They'll come down both sides of the Dnipro to Kiev. Essentially it will be a return to big arrow warfare, much like how WW1 turned out. Lots of movement at first, horrific casualties, turned into static warfare, more horrific casualties but then one army breaks and suffers even more horrific casualties as they retreat.

>>508637887 (OP)
Haven't you been talking about how they've been "setting it up" for over seven months?

>>508641391
they didn't have the intents to occupy kiev and be done with it, and while it is true they could do that, there is a factor called NATO stockpile attrition, which is far more expensive and hard to replace equipment being sent to the frontline to be destroyed by cheap drones, and while russia has certainly lost more vehicles, it's inflicted more damage on western stockpiles than on theirs (as long as their economy can handle it). That is from the military aspect, however, and I'm sure anyone with over 2 braincells can realize the geopolitical effects of prolonging the war are much larger.

>>508640739
Russia is fighting with max power right now. This is all they can muster at present.

>>508640904
This is the reality.

Their true objective is to take Stinky

>>508642863
>>they didn't have the intents to occupy kiev and be done with it
Buddy there was a battle for the airport and a planned operation to fly in tankers to literally occupy kiev.

>>508642863
>it's inflicted more damage on western stockpiles than on theirs

Lol

>>508637887 (OP)
>exciting
What?
It's boring, nothing is happening....
When the nuke fly I'll be satisfied

>>508643011
Russia's army sent like 190,000 soldiers in at the outset of the war for all of Ukraine. There couldn't possibly have been more than 50,000 that attacked Kiev. How the fuck does one occupy a city the size of Kiev with 50,000 troops?

>>508637887 (OP)
Russia should've won in 3 months even with NATO aid, the fact Ukraine exists right now means they lost idc what random village they just took

>>508643311
>How the fuck does one occupy a city the size of Kiev with 50,000 troops?
https://www.rusi.org/news-and-comment/in-the-news/ukraine-war-captured-russian-documents-reveal-moscows-10-day-plan-take-over-country-and-kill-its

>>508643912
I'm not doubting that was their intention at the outset, I'm asking the question what kind of idiot makes such a dumb plan to begin with. Hitler needed millions to finally take Kiev and that was against an Army in full retreat taking massive casualties against a city that was half the size then as it is now

>>508638491
your countrymen die for trans rights.

>>508638962
You are talking to bots

>>508644286
One that's high on their own supply
>all we need to do is kick in the front door and the whole rotten house will come crashing down

>>508639880
Give it a rest tranny faggot shill.
Fukin bitter clinger

>>508637887 (OP)
they are at the gates of pokrovsk since 12 months ago, they arent pushing cities in the recent past but mostly fields

>>508646829
Why bother?
They got thier kill boxes
They are dug in
Ukraine keeps sending recruits at them

Half the recruits are killed by Azov/mercinaries when they try to retreat or surrender.

>>508637887 (OP)
>another random village
anything post prignozin is a nothingburger

>>508637887 (OP)
>thats a major city
do it really be like that in jewish-rus, I mean ukraine?

>>508639356
i'm pretty sure they're just doing the attrition war thing, which also has the side-effect of weakening nato.

>>508637887 (OP)
There are two other encirclements forming up around Siversk and Kupyansk. Apparently the ukie general has a penchant for falling into encirclements.

>>508637887 (OP)
oh shit chasiv yar already fell? Thats a huge fucking deal, that battle been going on for years.

What are these idiots itt coping about Russia atritioning NATO? Do you even listen to yourselves.

>>508648693
Adding to the discussion.

>>508638426
Yeah I'm sure Russia would have btfo Kiev in assault ops while outnumbered like 100 to 1. And I'm sure they could have instantly teleported a couple of new armies there to reduce that while also supplying them.
It's no wonder EU military is a joke, they hire dudes like you to do strategy and policy.

>>508648693
The Canadian flag is a Russian troll farm vpn poster.

NATO militaries are stronger now than when russia invaded Ukraine. Its insane cope.

>>508648848
>having a 2023 defense budget of just $100 billion
Again, it's bullshit. Russia uses off-budget risky credit that the kremlin says they'll pay back when the war is over that is 5x that size. And further, in 2024, their defense budget grew 2x from 2023.
They'll keep going because the alternative is their banks collapsing.
Again, it needs another asterisk, because it's only by some definition of producing.What's counted as production in this case is refurbishing the massive amounts of soviet stocks.

>>508637887 (OP)
Two more weeks

>>508639880
>why they haven't attacked from the north in earnest
The Sumy offensive already got counter-attacked so it's clear they don't have the capacity for larger offensives.
The main reason for that I can't say, but my suspicion is lack of equipment. Since they're doing concentrated fire, they probably don't have enough cannons for decent firepower on a larger front, even if they have the shells.

>>508638426
You can’t amass more than 12 guys near the frontline without getting droned or cluster bombed to shit. Your idea of storming Kiev with 200k soldiers would end up with 80k dead before they even reach the first line of contact.

>>508639356
Destroying concrete bridges is hard as fuck with just missiles. You see how America’s most advanced bunker busters failed to destroy Fordow?

>>508649344
Sure thing, jeet.

>>508638625
>i read it
>its pure reddit

>>508640904
Porkovsk lines are broken, wat do hoholberg?

>>508639132
50k evacuated

>>508638011
/thread
They even brought back their #1 paid cope poster to cover for them

>>508649976
>Sumy offensive
Was that even a thing? I thought it was just a result of the Kursk offensive prolapsing.

Russia is advancing at a rapid pace. This week they capture Novkapalvikmyokova, Sprine and Nikolyei

They are moving faster than ever before

>>508641700
Damn you just called out modern warfare doctrine as if it’s trash like the spic you are. No wonder all the subhumans that speak your language are so stupid. Look at their father. IQ score lower than the fridge air temp.

>>508654731
just 2 more years right?

>>508638426
>took israel 3 hours to establish air superiority
>zero video of planes over iran
>video of drones over iran
>drones are getting shot down
>no evidence of JDAMs being used more than a few miles over the border
>flying at low level over baghdad to avoid radar in iran days into the operation
>used up missile stages all over iraq
>one week in uh we'll accept a ceasefire now
They are using the exact same air tactics as the US did vs the Houthis, and the exact same tactics that Russia is using, except that Russia keeps doing it for years while USA/Israel have to tap out after a month, or a week, because they blew the budget. All they have to do is say "mission accomplished" and the retards will cheer.

>>508637887 (OP)
>Does Ukraine have a plan to stop it?
Plan yes, resources and manpower no.

any polocks and germans who still want a piece of russia, you better hurry time is almost out.

>>508653051
It was a thing invented by the British MoD and Ukraine. There's supposedly troop build up but no indication of it being committed and Sumy is in artillery range. They've been inventing battles and offensives for years now, but Russia has only really acted in piece meal since 2023.

>>508654731
There are big defenses, there are massive trench lines and dragons teeth everywhere. slowing almost all advances. I dont even seen turtle tank vids. Until they find a better way to move faster this war is pretty much over and will drag out forever

I know that someday there will be a breaking point, but after three years of hearing about both big victories every day, I'm getting fed up with it.I guess it was like this during World War I too.
By the way, are there any signs that either side is gathering forces and training for a major breakthrough operation in the rear?

>>508656159
Both sides are covering roads with nets to counter drone hits on armoured vehicles.
I think Russia just aiming to create a buffer zone for some places like Sumy. They aren't looking at taking the Oblast.

>>508650857
>Your idea of storming Kiev with 200k soldiers would end up with 80k dead before they even reach the first line of contact.
If you had 200k idiological zealots armed with small arms, grenades and modern st launchers. Riding in full speed each on their own dirt bike/a couple on an atv. Just bum rushing in through a gap in the front line you created with artillery. Then it could probably work.

The thing is everyone would need to be fearless and ok with suffering 90% casuality rate and almost complete certain death for all the guys that go first. And humans don't work like that unless indocrinate them since they're kids.

>>508656159
>Until they find a better way to move faster this war is pretty much over and will drag out forever
This. Even if Russia did find a way to gain ground faster Europe will just give Ukraine more and better equipment plus there's a limitless supply of mercenaries from south America

The only way to win a modern war is invasion of Iraq/blitz which Russia is never going to be capable of

Hopefully China realizes the only way they're taking Taiwan is to go nuclear, that would be awesome

>>508656521
A modern version of the literal Brusilov Offensive.
What's even worse is that even if you launch a surprise attack on an enemy that has become accustomed to long-term trench warfare in a negative sense and bypass their defenses, everyone now has access to aerial reconnaissance capabilities without air superiority. Dealing with these damn drones is a pain in the ass.
I don't think either side can do anything about it unless one side is completely exhausted or there's some sci-fi bullshit at this time.

>>508657140
>A modern version of the literal Brusilov Offensive
Yeah but with cheap chinese dirt bikes and atvs for every soldier you could have tens of thousands of guys with 50kg of gear and ammo 500km+ deep 24h after a break through. This wasn't possible in ww1.

It would be absolute chaos. But since the attackers know that everyone in every direction is hostile the chaos is mostly on their side. Imagine the guys manning a check point 75km from 12h after the break through with guys cutting coms, spreading false info etc. They wouldn't know where the enemy is coming from. But you would need some SS tier ideological zealots to do it. Like 100k brandenburgers

>>508649455
>Russia uses off-budget risky credit that the kremlin says they'll pay back when the war is over that is 5x that size.
This is a pure projection, as the Ukraine is already defaultin on it's credits and Rusia services it's debt despite being sanctioned.
Where does that "risky credit" comes from? Iran? North Korea? China?

>>508637887 (OP)
>Zelensky will
Livestream in city saying it will
Never fall
>2 weeks pass
>It was never strategically important

This war feels like a badly written sitcom.

As a Jewish person, I say that NATO can support both Israel and Ukraine.

life's to short to not be Russophobic.

>>508637887 (OP)
Ukraine is so 2024

>>508637887 (OP)
Who cares about Ukraine

>>508643056
your country has about 200 operational tanks, and you don't even have a carrier that doesn't shit itself constantly

>>508638426
>neither side actually wants to win and instead is just hoping the other side collapses
This is Russia's plan, Ukraine is forced to play by their rules and is at a strict disadvantage due to manpower and ammunition shortages
Russia is just playing it safe, it seems they calculated this is less risky and costly than

>muh air superiority
Russia has air superiority for all intents and purposes, the Ukrainian air force has been completely neutered. Russia is fighting a ground war and needs its aircraft for CAS, which leaves them vulnerable to spaa, cheap anti-air systems and manpads, which Ukraine has a lot of.

Israeli aircraft bombed strategic targets from far away and ran off, they did not have to support a ground force at short ranges which is far riskier

>>508637887 (OP)
>Does Ukraine have a plan to stop it?
More dead white men is (((their))) plan.