I finally realized the meaning of the ring from LOTR. Each jursidiction of law is a soveignty, or a property, or plantation, or kingdom, or republic. Each ring represents a jurisdiction, but not of literal land. It is _types_ of law, which are typically symbolized by gods and astrotheological objects. Thus, the one ring to rule them all is henotheism, and Tolkien's whole point is that monarchy comes from monotheism.

Consider the legal argument:

"God has given me right to rule this land"
"Um, no he hasn't. Your god is irrelevant. My god says I should rule."
"My god is the only real god. All others are inferior."

This is henotheism. At the extreme end of henotheism is monotheism, but it's not really that big of a philosophical leap to make.

The point is, the notion of a monotheistic cosmos is what created civilization first, because the first civilization needed the first king. Without a king, civilization descends into a natural republic (multipolar, no single claim to sovereignty over all), for better or for worse.

You might say, why wouldn't a republic create a civilization? Well, because the whole purpose of establishing the civilization IS a form of kingdom. It is to have total dominance over your property, which a kingdom is to its sovereign. Plantation and owner.

So, the real battle for power is an occult war between gods, who represent jurisdictions in the world. They can be viewed as literal religious institutions (ie, the Vatican, the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem, the Temple of Apollo at Delphi), or they could be viewed as purely governmental or even economic in nature. Wherever the locus of control is within a given space, there is your ring. That ring moves around as the power of control over the realm shifts. Sometimes they are in the hands of the official leaders, and the hierarchy is transparent, and sometimes they are not.

>>508649544 (OP)
Now contextually, we can add in the following:
- "International law" is a matter of treaties between nations or sovereign entities
- "Law of the land" governs the plantation for individual people with no greater authority
- "Law of the sea" (or admiralty law) governs international waters for individual people with no greater authority

Do you see now? Law of the sea is where you get away with stuff. That's where the money is. The reason there is such an infamous association between the elite and admiralty law is because they've been using that law to make money hand over first for literal millennia.

Do you think there is still One or Brahman or some kind of universal consciousness, or there is no such a thing?

>>508649800
>waters
typo. I meant to say international area. It's actually for land or sea. "Sea" just refers to that which is outside of governable territory.

>>508649800
>Do you see now?
the current merchant/banking class that set up the east india trading company?
ahhh, anon, you're really high up, you're gonna need to come down this hole a bit further before i can hear you

>>508649544 (OP)
tldr: jews

>>508649890
I think that ultimately you could reduce all things to a physical god, but it quickly loses meaning when life clearly happens for reasons more prevalent at higher level systems. For instance, I am the way I am because of my thoughts and emotions, not because of the half life of the radium atom in a compound within one of my cells. Of course, the chemical structure allows for certain biological forms, but it really has much less power in the realm of the biological. Simultaneously, the realm of the musical has some association both with science and biology, but it is still its own thing, because art has a "je ne sais quoi" that is not reducible without losing the essence. Keep in mind that this is a limitation of human cognition and our language. It's an aspect of the Plato's Cave teaching.

>>508650059
>the current merchant/banking class that set up the east india trading company?
Yup
>ahhh, anon, you're really high up, you're gonna need to come down this hole a bit further before i can hear you
Ok, throw me a line.

>>508650144
What if "I am", i.e. "conciousness" has a quantum nature and isn't individual but common across all people (or even all living beings and so on) and individuality is just an illusion?

>>508650137
No. There's something VERY curious about the Middle East that I'm quite shocked no one else has ever really pointed out. Notice how no one else in the world creates cult-like religions. Take all of the organized religions in the world and rank them according to membership. Probably 7 or 8 of the top 10 will come from the Middle East, and that includes a lot of weird esoteric branches that we sometimes try to lump in with "Abrahamism". Mandaeanism, Manichaeism, Gnosticism. And that's without mentioning all of the older Mystery Schools that don't really exist anymore. That's not to say that all mystery schools are also cults. It's just that in the Middle East, all of the mystery schools became cults. That distinction is important.

So, when we talk about the Jews as being the culprits for everything, we ought to at least admit that the Catholics are also heavily implicated in things, and particularly the work of the Jesuit. And oh, let's not forget the Knights of Malta, who make up the Black Nobility and had some relation to the Templars. Could it be that the Zionists of today have a relation to the Crusaders of antiquity? What about that Jew to Mason pipeline? I digress.

The point is, Islam is another cult, and we have the most documentation about its creation of the big three. We know confidently that Salman the Persian was sent as an agent to rile up the masses to overthrow the Parthian nobility (Sasanian Empire). This is the pattern. There's even a line from that to the CIA going into Ukraine and starting a color revolution. Ultimately, we're talking about the same people.

So, we can't really say that they are Jews, Christians, or Muslims. All we can say is that they started all of these religions as cults to add to their rings of power. The wearer of the ring is not a member of any of these. He is the ruler.

>>508650955
> Gnosticism
There was no such thing as Gnosticism by the way, it's just a modern term to call a major sub-division within "Early Christianity" and to distinguish it from post-Nicaean Christianity.

So basically it's just Christianity. And it's called "Gnosticism" or "Early Christianity" to cover up for the fact that modern Christianity has roots in weird SJW-like cults with weird as shit theologies.

For example what we now know as "New Testament" has been compiled by a gnostic preacher who was saying that Yahveh is an evil god and Jesus came to oppose him and Jesus was sent by a goddess of wisdom - Sophia.

>>508649800
>- "Law of the land" governs the plantation for individual people with no greater authority
>- "Law of the sea" (or admiralty law) governs international waters for individual people with no greater authority

This is the symbolism of The Continental and the "real world" in John Wick. The Continental refers to the realm of the "law of the sea" (which is basically cartels that aren't technically illegal in jurisdictions that they aren't breaking laws, like in the Law of the sea), and the "real world" refers to the jursidiction of the "law of the land", which is what we experience as everyday normal citizens on the plantation so to speak.

>>508649544 (OP)
>one ring to rule then all.
>masonic semites that are brown, molest you into a giant faggot, the gay ones become golum in a cave butt fucking their asshole, the ones they control they record some kompromat fucking some toddler or find a wife to pretend they aren't gay.

it is all about being molested by masonic semites into a sex addicted, the ring wouldn't be this fucked up if it wasn't for the diddling first.

so the one ring, is your asshole.
the second one is soemone else's asshole
the third one is being tapped into a marriege into a vagina (a ring or hole), so another ring there.

>>508649544 (OP)
>The point is, the notion of a monotheistic cosmos is what created civilization first
artificial thought from jewish brainwashing

the different gods influence different lands and the living things in those lands in different proportions, but there is never a void of influence from any god

lower people just assume that whatever combinations of influences that resulted in their strength is "the one true god" when it's just an ephemeral event as the world and heavens move

What is Zion in the Matrix? It is the underground world outside of the jursidiction of the Matrix. Do I need to spell it out? The Matrix is the law of the land. Zion is the law of the sea. Zionists are those who pursue power in the land of the sea. What is the realization of the matrix if not a realization of power — even crime in a sense.

So what is the realization of power based on? Self knowledge. Now we return to gnosticism. Self knowledge enables selfishness, which eventually leads to some warlord king who wants to rule all rings or domains at once. He kills the priesthood of every other temple, and now his temple has supreme control of the land. Boom, first nation-state.

That's the history of the Middle East and the cult formation that we see there, although strictly speaking, it appears to come from the north. We're really talking about forms of white or Indo-European myth that percolated into the traditions of the region. We are talking about Phoenicians (seagoers) but also the steppe herders and other raiding cultures. Sophisticated raiding culture combined with treasures (at temples) created this. Thus, we're talking about the sword attempting to erase the history of the pen.

People confuse this because the word "Jew" is always very "pen" coded, but it's really the sword all along. That's the only way to make the criminal world work. Even in the profane world, the sword enforces economic might.

the movies sucked ass, all of them.

>>508651807
>masonic
>semites
>>508651936
>jewish

Read what I just said. It is the sword that killed the pen and took its place.

>>508651418
I wasn't being literal really. We can be autistic about early Christianity, but there was definitely a proto-Christianity long before Christ. They just didn't call it that I don't think. Maybe they would have named it after Plato's or Pythagoras' school, or maybe one of the mystery schools.

What we know as Christianity today is just Roman religion, which is some variant of Mithraism, primarily in the sense that it is about oaths, initiations, compartmentalized knowledge, and a hierarchy serving an elite.

>>508650714
It's easy to create nonsensical or purposeless questions. It's difficult to create meaningful and useful questions.

>>508652310
>but there was definitely a proto-Christianity long before Chris
The whole fun is that Gnosticism and Early Christianity were AFTER Christ.

>>508650955
They call themselves Jews
but they are the active remnant of an extremely ancient death cult, probably antediluvian.

There have been repeated attempts to genocide them in the greater historical timeline, but every one has failed due to survivors.

>>508652310
To be fair, I don't want to say this is ALL bad. It is the game. There is no alternative, and there truly never has been. If you want to play with the big boys, you become outside of the law because they will drag you there. It is then not about law of the land but law of the sea, which with a mercenary army is just military might. In short, "might make right" is not a moral statement. It is a self-evident fact. And the sooner we recognize that this is already true, the sooner we stop trying to make it true. And if we don't like the conditions, we change them.

But... that's too revolutionary of an idea for most people. Plato would want such impolite conversation to only take place behind closed doors, in "The Continental" so to speak.

>>508649800
what the fuck are you talking about
you're schizophrenic

>>508652449
Nothing none-sensical in it, it's one of the standard philosophical views on this matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd3yeX1-SaM

Guy Ritchie is a smart guy.

The collective subconscious is a realm, and the ruler of that realm, the holder of that ring, is the storyteller. It is the collective Hollywood that rules there today.

The storyteller tradition is all about gnosticism, because the cat and mouse game is between the listener and the storyteller, where the listener (you) wants to gain its individuality, and the storyteller (the shaman, the priest, whatever) may attempt to help you through analogy and preachings, or may obscure it from view depending on his purposes.

Thus, we must say that gnosticism originates from shaman tradition turned into a temple tradition, but other traditions such as medicine or astronomy turned into temple traditions (schools) are NOT strictly part of gnosticism. Our association between these is probably representative of one temple conquering the other. They are literally writing each other's myths (or facts, if it trends towards natural science) in their own language and symbolism.

>>508652988
No, the problem is that you view it as a philosophical matter. I'm happy to discuss it from a scientific perspective, where we can test our hypothesis and come to a common agreement. What I don't want to engage in is this system of using competition definitions of words to out-argue your opponent, to prove your own bias.

I'm not trying to target you specifically per se. I'm saying that is the structure of this insanity.

>>508653190
>competition
*competing

>>508653067
>shaman
To clarify, this is the psychedelic tradition. It's the prescription of medicine that primarily has a psychological effect. And again, I don't need to totally hate on this. It does have tremendously positive effects for some situations. I merely point out that giving someone mushrooms for their cancer is malpractice, so these schools of knowledge have limits to their domain.

>>508652111
anon, matrix are various significances but in this movie in specific it is not only religion as if the matrix idea of the religions are the idea of the creation of zion.

not only this religious idea but the idea that we're in the simulation and the only truth is the jewish as in zion.

as jews are the truth, the ultimate truth is that there is a bad guy called "smith" as in the big brother anti briton idea of semites going after the euros, even the ones who saved the jews. (see, jews are different the semites because all semites are brown and not all jews are brown but all jews are semites).

so the smith is the british empire using the matrix as in the term of the electric grid/interweb as surveillance state.

why the british empire ended 250 years after it's masonic date? where is the last land of it and why everybody there is a mexican from guatemala?

because jews don't exist, semites are brown and they will fuck the remaining europeans into the arabian poland that is "israel" while the same semites are activetly killing all non browns of the area or the non semitic while giving weapons to countries that are anti-jews like turkey, americans gave nukes to turkey and somehow you never took the mass destruction weapons of turkey because turkey is the most masonic semitic key player besides saudi arabia, north africa and india.

>>508653542
The movie works as a metaphor for various realms because the principles that separate and conjoin realms as a concept are consistent. The Matrix works perfectly as just a gnostic principle, where the division is between the physical and mental worlds. It also works as a division between the governed and the ungoverned. That's why the Matrix and John Wick have very similar binary divisions of worlds. The higher principle is understanding the mere existence of realms and the implications.

>the simulation
This is the fake and gay part of it. They want you to think about this so that you discard the idea of realms entirely. There is no simulation. It's just literally real life. There are no multiple universes. Just this one. There are _hypotheticals_ which you can calculate through to determine probabilities, but they don't truly exist except for the moment that you think about them. In the end, your thought is not creating. It is only drawing connections between what already exists. We are association engines, not creators. If you want to get really poetic, the spark of creation is in everything and is always churning. It is chaos. We are order holding it back, until we are confident enough to let it go. Again, these metaphysics are just aspects of gnosticism, as it really says nothing about the outer world. It's only about the inner world. As Ritchie says, ALL story is about this one thing. That's the essence of my post.'

I'm getting ranty. I think you can view it as a proper metaphor for the "law of the land", because it is a sort of unreal entity separate from physical reality (a simulation above it, if you will), but that's not what most see in it. I'm responding to them.

>so the smith is the british empire using the matrix as in the term of the electric grid/interweb as surveillance state.
Who is the architect in this model? A mythological entity that they believe they represent?

>>508654199
anon, the guy dies on the matrix and die in irl.

also you don't know about multi universe because nothing contained in an universe can possible know it's totality, not only this mathematical truth but, you can have infinity universes but not a multi-verse.

a multi-verse would be the idea that at some point in a universe it permeates more but not all, so a multi-verse could exist only by the metrics of dimension.

is every dimension in this universe or can one dimension be half part of other universe? who the fuck knows.

if you can't move to other dimension how tiny is your perception of this "universe" and how can you be sure that in this "universe" some portion of it permeates another one but not it's totality.

not only matrix is based on my life as a jew tried to win a Nobel prize on my theoretical physicis shit posting online.

you'll never know about me because I'm not brown.

>>508654199
> don't truly exist except for the moment that you think about them

premise: you mention something exist.
development: you deny it's existence because it's out of reach.

by the original attribution, something will not stop existing.

as you're inserted in the uni or multi verse, you're inserted in your mind but saying that your mind or what you can perceive is the totality of reality is just absurd.

does it matter if something un-reachable exist? turns out it matters.

right now something you don't know exist will kill you and change everything, you not knowing about it doesn't change it's reality.

>>508649544 (OP)
The ring signifies desire, and tolkien's works are based on european myth so it's safe to asume they are based on wagner's ring of nibelung, but tolkien himself said he was not trying to make an allegory as he was just using his make believe world to play with his linguistic skills

>>508654642
it is absurd because someone will all draw a bigger circle and say it's is a uni.

but is it a uni if not everything is truly contained in it?

so the definitions of universes and dimensions are truly theoretical since you can't truly access it.

could just a sort of space/time/dimension anomaly be the interaction of two multi-verses?

wtf are we even categorizing?

is a portal a black hole?

wtf is the light?

how the giant space aliens manipulate those thing and why aliens are invisible and yet can drop things?

if aliens are so advanced why they are such a pricks?

why can't they simply teleport some cash...

fucking aliens man, they can make mold take shape of a paint but they can't stop being pricks.