Thread 508764858

This Red Cross document was published, with the number of fatalities from 13 main nazi concentration camps - 270,303 people. Thats most probably a real number of "holocaust" victims, and not artificially multiplied by post-WW2 propaganda.

That is fewer than Israelis have killed since 2023 in one death camp called Gaza, according to recent Harvard research.

>>508764858 (OP)
This has been debunked thousands of times. Stop posting it over and over again.

>>508764886
Debunked by who and how? Looks like the most credible document refering to "holocaust" body count actually. Everything else is "trust-me-bro" stuff.

>>508764886
Archive link?

>>508764858 (OP)
does international red cross have a dark side?

>>508764886
>>508764938
>>508764944
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

>>508765004
Post the relevant part here faggot.

>>508764858 (OP)
It's not even right to call them victims at all, the Nazis weren't killing them. Most of them died from typhus and the Nazis were doing their best to prevent it, fumigating bedding and clothing, shaving their heads and forcing them to shower, cremating dead bodies, was all to prevent the spread of typhus. Nazis were saving jewish lives and look at the thanks they got.

>>508764886
Nice try, but not today, Shlomo. Not today.

>>508765077
Get to reading. Not my problem that you're grossly uninformed.

>>508764858 (OP)
Did you know phosphorus is toxic to plant life when there is too much of it? I got a buddy his grass in one spot is dying for YEARS because of this. He's had experts out, spent thousands, grass keeps dying.

Anyways human bones have phosphorus (and salt and other stuff). So if you were to like, cremate 900k people and spread their ash, it'd probably kill all the plants for a pretty long time.

But jews who were "holocaust eyewitnesses" say that, in fact, they used human ash as fertilizer and it worked well.

Meanwhile cremation websites (and news stories) warn to not mix even ONE persons ash with plant life.

I wonder who is right - jews or science. Probably jews.

>>508765193
Get to reading :
>>508765245

>>508765270
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

>>508765004
I dont see any debunking here. "Holocaust" is an esoteric knowledge. Scientific study is limited by law. It is illegal in most countries of western hemisphere to question official narrative.

>>508765321
Try reading it again

>>508765245
click the file NAME (not thumbnail) and it will open the image in a new tab. then click the image again to zoom.

>Jews tell the truth about the concentration camps
https://odysee.com/@pieces256:6/JEWS-TELL-TRUTH-ABOUT-THE-HOLOCAUST:1

>Bishop Williamson on the Holocaust
https://www.bitchute.com/video/j19NMVWa5dVS/

>Gas chamber expert talks about the Holocaust
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FhjxVW5A8omy/

>Dean Irebodd - One Third Of The Holocaust Examined
https://archive.org/details/dean-irebodd-one-third-of-the-holocaust-a-holocaust-denial-movie-on-the-subject-_202007

>David Cole in Auschwitz
https://odysee.com/@wonderingwhatif:b/DavidColeInAuschwitz:8

>The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax Documentary (by Eric Hunt)
https://odysee.com/@Holohoax:9a/The_Jewish_Gas_Chamber_Hoax_Documentary_by_Eric_Hunt-f1d4963c56076ce78d865a55b68c8a630067ea94:7

>>508765004
deboonked a long time ago
https://www.google.com
now get reading feggit

>>508765357
It is pointless because freedom of research was limited by law. For example, it is impossible here in Poland to perform any international and independent archeological works. Every digging must be led by Jewish researchers, and accepted by countrys rabbi.

>>508765385
>Please please look at my bitchute and odysee links
guaranteed all of the claims in these have already been debunked repeatedly
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/
https://pima.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S91C2102226
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/museums/hrnm/Education/EducationWebsiteRebuild/AntiGermanPropaganda/BackgroundInformation/Holocaust%20Denial.pdf
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/debunking-holocaust-denial-claims
https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion/evidence-documentation-holocaust

>>508764858 (OP)
>6 million jews
is just some magical number to them. did a lot of jews die under hitler from various causes disease and otherwise? yes. was it 6 million. no.

the phrase "6 million jews" (are in danger, could die, etc) has been thrown around since before 1900.

video here showing the actual old news papers

https://odysee.com/@ascbhakscjaksjak:6/SIX-MILLION-JEWS-1915-1938-FULL-HD:5

Once you've read all of this, then we can debate the holocaust. If you've found by the end of it that all of the claims you thought were true were actually false, congratulations! you've just learned the holocaust actually happened.
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/
https://pima.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S91C2102226
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/museums/hrnm/Education/EducationWebsiteRebuild/AntiGermanPropaganda/BackgroundInformation/Holocaust%20Denial.pdf
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/debunking-holocaust-denial-claims
https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion/evidence-documentation-holocaust
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how-to-refute-holocaust-denial

>>508765603
You just showed a set of links leading to official narrative. All of this still needs to be backed up by evidence, and it wasnt.

>>508764858 (OP)
>>508765079
This, remember, all of them died from disease or starvation as the Germans ran out of food and medicine as they lost the war. Germans are cucks and softies, they didn't exterminate anyone.

>>508765647
The evidence is there.
Here's another link directly debunking OP's claim
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/holocaust-falsehood-resurfaces-amid-rise-in-anti-semitism/
>Historian Sebastian Farre12, who has researched the history of the Red Cross and Nazi concentration camp detainees, told AAP FactCheck that revisionist literature selectively used information that suited an agenda.

>This was done "without conducting a scientific analysis of the origins of these sources and the context in which they were produced, particularly refusing to compare them with the vast body of information produced by the Red Cross and the documents preserved in Arolsen," he said.

>>508765766
There is absolutely no historical evidence that "6 mln" Jews died in "holocaust". You understand that yet in 60s, official narrative was that 4 mln people died in Auschwitz? Today, after multiple historical revisions, the number was reduced to 1 mln and even this number still lacks conclusive evidence.

>>508765486
Ive actually read "holocaust survivor" books, multiple of them, and it's the dumbest bullshit youve ever seen in your life.

I've probably done more 'primary sources' research on the holocaust than you - just browsing some web sites.

>HOLOHOAX REDPILL THREAD
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/471714824/

>>508765603
> then we can debate the holocaust
That would be a crime in most of Europe.

>they sent me to the gas chamber
>but I walked out ok!
miracle.

>>508766017
And for good reason.

>>508766021
Sadly, most of current state of knowledge about "holocaust" is based on such stories.

>the man who survived EIGHT death camps including Auschwitz gas chambers ("water came out not gas")
golly.

>>508766075
it's absurd. plz save this thread anon:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/471714824/

>>508765193
Okay if we're going to slam down entire books as a source, read The Holocaust Encyclopedia by Germar Rudolph. There's even a free pdf version. That compendium thoroughly refutes the entire Holocaust. Anything HDOT has been covered in that compendium.
Start reading and refute it all or just admit you're grossly uninformed.

>Must-know redpills about Weimar Germany, WW2 and the holohoax:
https://4plebs.org/pol/thread/391009291

>Must-know redpills about jews and their gay and tranny agenda:
https://4plebs.org/pol/thread/396460945

>>508766061
This lady praising talmud in public is directly responsible for injecting an experimental gene therapy preparations in hundreds of millions of Europeans that already consumed more European lives than wishful/official number of "holocaust" victims.

>>508765193
kek you haven't read it have you?

>>508766156
Those kike fatties don't look like they're starving to me.

>>508764858 (OP)
do you think its okay to kill 270,303 people

>>508764886
Kill yourself, jew.

>>508765603
The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim. The only person obligated to do any reading is you. Read the Holocaust Encyclopedia, then we can talk about your Holocaust conspiracy theory.

a bunch of jews died in the camp
a bunch of jews got cremated
a bunch of jews in the camps would have seen all this

it wasnt 6 million
it wasnt from gas chambers

tons of jews died from typhus which use to be a super dangerous disease UNLESS YOU DO MASS SHOWERS, SHAVE PEOPLES HEADS, TAKE THEIR CLOTHES, ETC

hmmmmmm

>>508766061
I know the moon landing waa real because there are no laws preventing me from saying otherwise, nor will I lose my social media, access to banks, or employment for saying
otherwise.

>>508766261
ya. i think that pic was taken AFTER the liberation. but idk how much after.

>>508766279
it's not 6 million. illegal aliens in USA and europe have killed / raped way more than 270k.

they use 'muh 6 million' as a guilt trip

>>508766279
>do you think its okay to kill 270,303 people
Haven't heard the victors of WW2 apologizing for the bombings, so it must have been okay.

>>508766287
These links provide the evidence you're looking for. I have read them and i have given them to you as a fulfillment of my burden of proof. Get to reading, chump

seriously, watch this. save the link. download the file. it's worth your time.

>Dean Irebodd - One Third Of The Holocaust
https://archive.org/details/dean-irebodd-one-third-of-the-holocaust-a-holocaust-denial-movie-on-the-subject-_202007

>i was sent to the gas chamber 6 times and lived
>also all of my siblings survived too
nazi deserve to lose running death camps of this low quality. putting shame on the german name.

>allies crack nazi top secret communications with ENIGMA machine
>literally not even one communication about their massive holocaust
hmmmm

>>508766370
The Holocaust Encyclopedia refutes all those links and all their claims.

>>508766610
>t. based shit poster anon

>jews would not just LIE about the holocaust murder death nazi camps would they?

pic extremely related.

>>508766706
>"it was real in my mind"
jews lie about shit non stop and think it's true. just like niggers.

>>508766610
No.

>>508766706
Jews have very vivid imagination. Thats why they dominated Hollywood.

>>508766758
>busted down to single word taking-up-space posts
Yeah these guys really seem to know their shit. You hasbara kikes really rely on /his/ not showing up but you can tell when they do because you always get real quiet and petulant lmao

>>508765475
It reads like a kike konspiracy.
I'll give you that more than 230000 kikes died, just not in the camps. Revenge for the usury, and general disgusting elitist behavior you vermin display even at the best of times, probably ended really badly for a whole bunch more of you hook nose pedophiles in the Baltics and Ukraine and Poland. But nowhere near 6 million.
The fact that auschwitz has lowered it's claimed number of victims from 4 million to 1 million, which is still a gross exaggeration, and that the supposed 6 million hasn't changed, isn't helping.
Never mind treblinka.
The simple fact is, if the Germans spent 4-6 years systematically killing every one of you within the territory they controlled before 1945, there wouldn't be any of you left alive.
And the fact that (((you're))) made it illegal to question it, and then done what you've done in Gaza these last 21 months, only convinces people that something isn't right.
>>508765603
If it happened, why is it so difficult to prove? With actual evidence, not torture begotten testimony and propaganda from the soviet side of the iron curtain.
T- someone who used to believe, but came to learn after covid that you are parasites that will lie about anything and will kill every living thing on the planet so you can rule over ashes.
>>508766140
You're arguing with a kike. All they know is gaslighting and gloating.
Many such cases.

>>508766279
Ask the allies why they did it then? Or what did they think was going to Halen when they destroyed Germans manufacturing, transport and distribution network.
It amazes me that people still don't understand atrocity propaganda and who mastered it first.

>>508767326
Bro, my man, deinen Eifer in Ehren, but I was making fun of (((him))).

>>508765603
>once you submit yourself to my unsubstantiated dogma, then we can debate, I mean agree with my delusions.

Quick question, what ethnic group freed the jews from the holocaust?
How are the jews treating this liberating ethnic group?
Are they making sure this ethnic group flourishes? Since you know, it's their salvation against future holocausts?
You know the answer

Either they hate their liberators, or it never happened. So which is it, Are they evil or liars?

Also all your sources are cyclical, address none of the major critiques, and restate the mainstream position over and over. No substance, only gish gabbing.
You have proven nothing, and I doubt you even know what proof means. Lurk moar.

>>508767326
>>508767450
You are welcome to read the sources I have provided.

>>508767436
Cheers anon.
I hope you get your country back.

>>508767540
Thanks and lets hope so for all of us.

>>508766248
Of course he hasn't, if he read it, the sheer lack of substantive counterarguments and the avalanche of irrelevant citations would start deprogramming him on its own.

>>508767503
I read through a couple of articles. It's gaslighting bullshit. Dismissing the defenses professional survey of the mortar from the camps saying because he wasn't a chemical engineer he wasn't competent enough TO COLLECT SAMPLES (the icing in the cake was saying he collected one sample from a wet puddle in the crematorium, come on kikes, wtf) only proves the fact that you have nothing without the corrupt politicians and legal system run by (((yous))) to back you up.

The simple fact is, if it happened the way you've had Hollywood brainwash the masses into believing, you wouldn't need to make even asking questions about it illegal.
It would be obvious.
But as soon as someone even starts to look, they begin to recognize how fucked the narrative is, and (((You))) can't have that.
After pissreal is #109, #110 is going to be the physical plain of existence.

>>508767822
you skimmed through them and found a couple of facts you didnt like, and that makes them all wrong huh. If it doesn't conform to your confirmation bias, it must be wrong!
You deniers are so pathetic.

>>508767397
>>508766364
>>508766355
>b-b-b-b-but america
just answer the damn question retard

>>508767894
>Person A puts people in prison
>Person B burns the prison
Who killed the prisoners?

>>508767890
>ok you caught me in this lie but what about these other lies?

>>508766706
Starvation psychosis

>>508768128
Really this is the holohoax in a nutshell

>>508765193
You didn't read you hypocrit faggot

>>508765730
Even the voulounteer to Auschwitz, Pilecki in his memorandum didn't write about mass exterminations. Only about poor conditions and sadism towards prisoners(beating up, shooting at them for fun, slashing them with knife, refusing food etc.) that ended up in deaths of some of them, but nothing about gassing millions of people to death.

>>508766758
Haha, I accept your admission of defeat.
2 EZ

>>508766302
You don't get it man, you gotta shave people's heads and strip them naked and trick them into fake showers for the zyklon B to work better.
Don't use CO gas, it's odorless, invisible, easily produced, and results in a calm quiet death, where's the challenge?
Don't starve them or deny them water, that's for the US to use against German POWs
Don't use them for slave labor or prisoner exchanges, women and children are famously not valuable to anyone, and certainly can't work in any capacity ever. Rosie the riveter and child labor literally don't exist.
Whatever you do, don't save their valuable organs and blood for triage stations. Just cremate them at mathematically impossible rates
I could go on, but it's tediously stupid once you truly see it

>>508766061
Whenever you're ready to start using your brain for something other than furry fetishism, this thread, and many others like it, will be here. Don't worry, the truth is already in your subconscious, it's happening, you can't fight it forever. It's why you're here, trying and failing to reason. You've already admitted you don't like the idea of just persecuting us, you want to debate, and thus, you've already marked yourself.
See you tomorrow

>>508768128
Gradually……

>>508767326
I'm sure he's a kike or a redditor or whatever else. The point is I can refute their bullshit. I fully support calling them kikes and not engaging with their hasbara. I just like to tear down their lies just for the sake of doing it. And I'm not memeing either. The Holocaust Encyclopedia literally refutes any link he posted. He probably doesn't even know who Germar Rudolph is nor does he grasp what the encyclopedia entails. But if someone like him tries to throw links and homework reading at you, just throw that compendium back in their face. Look what happened when I did, suddenly he wasn't so smug and gives short angry responses. When you know how these fags argue you can send them running for the hills quite easily.

>>508765002
They are the nazis.

>>508764886
>>508765004
>>508765193
>that's not true!
>can you explain why?
>NO! YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH TO PROVE YOURSELF WRONG!
>ALL OF YOUR SOURCES ARE DEBUNKED ONLY MINE ARE REAL!
Lmao this plebbitnigger.

There are sixty seconds in a minute, sixty minutes in an hour, and twenty four hours in a day. World War II lasted for 2,194 days, and it takes MODERN crematoriums between two and three hours to fully cremate a body.

Six million alleged dead jews times two equals twelve million hours, and that's assuming the crematoriums the Germans were using worked at the same efficiency as the best modern crematoriums today. Realistically, it should be times three at eighteen million hours. But I don't need the upper end to humiliate you.

At 24 hours in a day, that means it would take 50,000 days worth of time to deal with all the jew bodies. That's 137.9 YEARS worth of time. Every crematorium they had would cut that down, but Auschwitz only ever had two crematorium ovens operational at once, which means at BEST, we're dividing that in half, down to 68.4 years.

Even if the Germans began killing and incinerating kikes the INSTANT the war started, and kept doing it until the very last second when the war ended, the six million number is physically impossible. And you can't run crematoriums nonstop, either, they have to be shut off and repaired because the heat damages them as they run.

The reality is that even if we tally up all the ovens allegedly in use, in all camps, there's simply no way the Holocaust could have happened in that amount of time.

The issue is already dead in the water over just this, but it gets even worse when more official numbers are used. According to mainstream historians, Auschwitz only cremated bodies between March and June of 1943. Which means they're trying to argue that the total sum of all those bodies were cremated and disposed of in a mere 120 days.

That's not just impossible, it's beyond impossible. It didn't happen.

>>508766279
>be US during WWII
>bomb supply lines of labor camps
>300k people starve and die of typhus in labor camps
>why did those evil Germans kill 6 phantastillion jews?

>>508765321
>>508765357
>>508765480
>When your genocide is so real it’s illegal to question it

>>508767503
This isn't a response you intellectual coward, it's evasion.
I did read your nonsense sources, theyve been debunked several times in this thread alone. YOU haven't read your sources, or you'd be deprogrammed by their shittiness. Weren't not your gay liberal echo chamber, we debate people, we provide proof. You're falling apart and retreating to glib one line botposting.

I asked you a simple question, but you won't answer because you can't.

Don't bother now, by evading you've already admitted you have nothing. Stop posting. Lurk more.

>>508768687
Why do you think the largest industrial force on earth only ever fielded 2 (two) ovens for their evil extermination plan
How retarded can you be?

>>508767503
Nobody has an obligation to read your links. You're the one making the claim. You're the one asserting a German conspiracy theory to exterminate millions of Jews in Europe. If you can't handle proving your case and responding to crituque then fuck off. The Holocaust Encyclopedia refutes everything claimed in your links. It has all the historical and scientific supplementary information you could ask for. It's literally a compendium of the entirety of every Holocaust claim. If you're not willing to read and refute it in its entirety, then you cede the argument. If you think that scope is too broad to be fair, then you can try making an actual argument and specific point in this thread instead of throwing ADL links around. That's why I bring up the encyclopedia - it covers all your links. You're just refusing to engage with it. It isn't the 2000s anymore, man. Our own side has research and books as well. You don't get to just appeal to mainstream status quo narratives and think that serves as an argument. If you can't handle the intellectual confrontation, then leave.

>>508766061
>And for good reason.
Yeah, because it didn't happen. They made it illegal to question the Holocaust in every country where any actual evidence of it happening might exist. That's why I can question it here, in America, and not in Germany where sonar ground scans have already proven that the alleged mass burial sites haven't been disturbed since the last ice age.

We already know what industrial scale genocide looks like, the Communists (our allies) did them. If you want to kill a million people, you starve them to death. If you are hunting dissidents, you shoot them whenever you find them on the spot, and have their corpses hauled out to a big hole in the woods somewhere.

You're arguing that the Germans killed jews in the most indirect and inefficient way possible, using extremely expensive chemicals instead of cheap bullets (or free starvation), and then magicked the bodies away where the remains can no longer be seen. And all of this was done in a completely impossible time frame.

The World Jewish Almanac doesn't even record a loss of six million jewish lives during the wartime years. The census data shows that the global jewish population INCREASED during the war.

You want bullet points and witty comebacks, here's one. The Holocaust did not exist in ANY capacity until Eli Weisel's 'Night' was published in 1956. You cannot find any reference to the Holocaust happening prior to then.

>>508768687
Um but hold on, what about his shitty cyclical sources? All you did is be logical and clear about the root problem. You need to waste all day dunking on his kike sources, he doesn't need to think for two seconds.

Stop making sense. He posted the link ok?? Who cares if it's gish-gabbing bullshit. Just submit already.

>>508768908
>Why do you think the largest industrial force on earth only ever fielded 2 (two) ovens for their evil extermination plan
>How retarded can you be?
Did Hitler magic all the other ovens up his ass when he died? If you want to believe a massive industrial facility existed for disposing of kike corpses, then PROVE IT. Show us this giant facility with it's 50,000 ovens and 200,000 personnel dedicated to operating it.

Keep in mind: no orders were ever given, no paper trail exists. We cracked the Enigma Code early, and all the messages are part of the public record. No order for a Holocaust was ever given. But if you think a fuckoff gigantic facility existed where the bodies were all processed, then that should be easy for you to prove, right?

Show us some pictures. Where was this place? What was it called?

>>508768908
Lmao, it doesnt matter how many ovens you pull out of your ass, you can't make the numbers work. Go ahead, stop fantasizing about cock for a few minutes and do some math. How many ovens would they need, and where must those ovens be located, for their numbers to make sense?

Go ahead. I'll wait.

>>508765301
oven full of bodies makes air circulate slower and therefore the combustion is slower. They should have kept it in 88%. So, i smell a little lie.
0 actual studies with the ovens, btw...

>>508769300
They just won't die!

>>508764858 (OP)
Also in many cases concentration camps were used to protect important kikes with a mission. Greek commie leader Zachariadis was held in Dachau and after the war was sent with a British intelligence flight to Greece to play his shady part in the civil war

>>508769145
The irony is that if the kikes hadn't gotten grossly arrogant, they might have been able to sell a 250,000 Holocaust. If you assume all the camps were death camps (which they did, that was the assumption at first), and if you assume a victim toll of around two hundred thousand, the numbers JUST ABOUT work out with the timeframe given for it to happen in. Not quite, but it's close.

The problem is that as more and more searches were conducted, more and more of the camps were confirmed to not be death camps, shrinking the number of camps available to "put in the work," so to speak. At the same time, grifting jews kept upping the death toll numbers, because they're retards who can't help themselves. So more and more jews were getting gassed and cremated in fewer and fewer locations.

In the end, every camp the American forces examined was determined to merely be a labor camp, and only the locations that were held in Soviet territory were death camps (according to the Soviets, who are famous for two things: telling the truth, and being impartial about Nazis).

We aren't even on six million anymore, now they're trying to say it was twelve million, eleven million. They vacillate back and forth because some academic jews don't want there to be as many dead goys as there were dead jews. So now they're claiming twelve million bodies were cremated and disposed of in a mere six camps, over the course of 120 days.

And this goofy redditor wants to argue about window pane composition and the status of the chemicals on the walls, lmao.

>Hitler magically created six million jews out of thin air
>he then magically killed them horribly
>before magically vanishing the bodies
>so now you have to destroy your own countries and kill yourselves
>because you saved us from this fate, and that means you have to die
Either the Holocaust happened, and Hitler was right about the jews, or the Holocaust didn't happen, and their attitudes are proof.

>>508765486
If the link is so banned it has to exist on more fringe websites, that makes it more valid in my eyes, not less

>>508769226
>Show us this giant facility with it's 50,000 ovens and 200,000 personnel dedicated to operating it.
What's the energy source for this. Imagine how much coal or other fuel would be required for the furnaces. There would be regular trains and a yard to move that amount of energy. Compare with the infrastructure required to fuel a single steel mill furance. There should be records of constant trains along with mountains of fuel being stored and moved.

>>508769300
>>508769603
The Germans were the most honorable evil-doers in history. If a jew survived being gassed, they had to let him go. Scout's honor.

>"Vat do you mean ve should just shoot him? Have you lost your mind, Hans!? Ve have to let him go!"
>"I don't know, this seems very inefficient, Hymie."
>"Bah! Shows vat you know! This is vy you never get invited to ze yule parties in Berlin! You are not a trve National Socialist! You don't understand ze vision!"

>>508769818
I like the idea of the gauntlet of trials. If they survive the gassing, they have to go to the masturbation machine, then to the electric swimming pool, and then to the bear cage

>>508766279
Oof that's a big number, 10x that number and you get close to how many German POWs the US starved to death. No blown up supply routes needed either!
Well at least the US didn't intern a civilian population in isolated camps, that were entirely dependent on easily destroyable supply lines.

Oh wait.

Well good thing that the good guys won then, or else those starving diseased Japanese interment camps might have been bad PR.

>>508764858 (OP)
world war 2 era propaganda no longer working?

>>508769794
>What's the energy source for this. Imagine how much coal or other fuel would be required for the furnaces. There would be regular trains and a yard to move that amount of energy. Compare with the infrastructure required to fuel a single steel mill furance. There should be records of constant trains along with mountains of fuel being stored and moved.
That's a major part of the argument for why it was impossible as well. I don't use it often in these debates, because it's always some jew or faggot arguing dishonestly. I find it easier to just go right for the throat and talk about cremation time versus how long the war actually went on.

But this is one of the biggest issues with the Holocaust claim, which is fuel and logistics. The more furnaces you have running, the more fuel it costs. There was a fuel SHORTAGE during the war. Where were the Germans getting all of the coal, or wood, or natural gas, or whatever it is you want to argue they were using? How was it being moved around? Where were the stockpiles?

Again, we cracked the Enigma Code early. We knew everything the Germans were doing. We also have access to all of their documents and work orders, and there is ZERO evidence of any coordinated attempt to exterminate and dispose of jews. The OFFICIAL, HISTORICAL CLAIM, is that the Germans carried all of this out without leaving ANY paper trail, that it was an unprecedented undertaking done by word-of-mouth alone, in utmost secrecy. That's their answer to why there is no paper trail, no logistical train, no numbers or balance sheet to support it.

I will say again. We know what industrial scale genocides look like. The Communists did them. If the Germans had really wanted the jews dead, they would have just shot every jew they found and dumped the bodies off in a pit somewhere. They would have just starved them to death, because starvation is free.

The Germans were DEPORTING the jews, not killing them. It was a deportation program.

>>508766061
Yeah, it would threaten the jewish world order.

>>508765486
The oven "debunk" does not make sense to me. There are optimal loads on every oven and "full" is not any of them. If u keep oven full, u are doing it wrong and the material burns slower.

>>508766279
>do you think its okay to kill 270,303 people
If someone goes to war and runs into machine gun fire to save you from death, do you think it's acceptable to immediately begin plottig to destroy your savior's civilization, and blame them for the hardships you faced, even though they had nothing to do with it, and died in droves to liberate you?

If the jews treat white Christians in America and Europe this way, doesn't that suggest that Hitler was right about them?

Alternatively, if the jews feel it's acceptable to behave this way towards their saviors, doesn't that suggest that the Holocaust never happened, since they feel no debt of gratitude for it?

Do you think it's okay for the jews to behave the way they do?

>>508770253
razor ftw.

>>508769620
>maybe if i create a false dichotomy, people will believe my fairy tales i made up about Jews

>>508769226
>>508769297
Okay, Auschwitz alone had five crematoriums alone. I don't know where the fuck you pulled two "ovens" from.
Crematorium I: 6 muffles
Crematorium II: 15 muffles
Crematorium III: 15 muffles
Crematorium IV: 8 muffles
Crematorium V: 8 muffles
So 52 "ovens" total.
This isn't a fucking morgue, you aren't baking cookies. I don't know why you would possibly think that an industrial body incinerator would have the same speed as "modern" crematoriums. As if that's some kind of technological barrier and not just blasting a body with fire.
Let's math a conservative estimate
52 ovens × 24 hours × 2194 days = 2,738,112 Jews
Nevermind that 1 hour per body is a gross under-estimate. Or that obviously they weren't working these things 24/7. It's complicated, but you're using stupid math so I am too. In reality, an SS report in June 1943 showed that the crematoriums could put out 4,756 corpses/day.

Also nobody claims 6 million Jews were incinerated. You have a retarded and surface level understanding of the Holocaust. And that's fine, because I do too. I'm looking at the first fuckin thing I find on my phone and it instantly disproves your numbers. Wikipedia says Auschwitz cremated ~900,000 Jews total. So they would need only 189 DAYS to do that with their own reported throughput.

>>508770181
Let's just talk about Auschwitz.

Crematorium 1 is a "soviet reconstruction", it's not in original condition. The soviets knocked down internal walls to create one large room, presented as the gas chamber. You can see imprints on the floor where toilet fixtures once stood, the soviets ripped them out.
Crematorium 4 & 5 do not exist. They got demolished or burned down sometime after liberation. It's not clear when or how this happened. Also these buildings were not crematorium, they were for other purposes, but it's claimed they were converted into crematoriums.
There's also outdoor burning pits. They did burn bodies in these pits. Although allegedly they were digging up some corpses that polluted the groundwater to burn them. The fires we have pictures of are small, and not thousands of bodies large.

As for Crematorium 2 & 3
-- no blue staining on the walls, or any cyanide residue on the walls. People who've done these tests have been arrested and imprisoned
-- allegedly the doors were open in 30 minutes, which isn't enough time to get the cyanide out of the room.
-- ventilation intake is near the floor, and would have been blocked with bodies. Also cyanide rises to the ceiling.
-- Allegedly 15 minutes/body, which is impossible. Also overloading with 3-4 bodies made it take half as long, ridiculous nonsense
-- Allegedly half the bodies were dragged out through the dressing room, up the stairs, and out to the burning pits. No rollers or stretchers are mentioned, the bodies were dragged. 1 body every 20 seconds had to be dragged out.
-- Eyewitnesses got the color of the pellets wrong. Said the bodies were "burning hot". Got the color of the skin wrong.
-- The german plans call these rooms "morgues", aka they were storing bodies of people who died from disease for cremation. That's why they were built into the ground, to keep the bodies cold

>>508770444
>This isn't a fucking morgue
They literally were morgues. The german plans call them morgues. They were built into the ground to keep the bodies cold. They were morgues dude. In fact even Crematorium 1 was a morgue.

>an industrial body incinerator
Except they weren't. They were shitty brick-fired ovens. Like the same type of ovens you cook a pizza in. They were not industrial incinerators. You lied about that.

>Nevermind that 1 hour per body is a gross under-estimate
No it's not, that's actually an over-estimate. In the sense that on average it would take longer than that.

>Wikipedia says Auschwitz cremated ~900,000 Jews total.
Actually they said that in a 2 month span, they killed 438,000 hungarian jews, with most occurring in the first month. They were supposedly killing people at a rate of 12,000 per DAY.

This is a fantasy version of reality which exists in the minds of the holohoaxer.

These numbers are based on train records, assuming that each train had 2000 people each. Which is not true, the trains had more like 300-400 people each.

>>508770789
Why do you lie when there is literally photographic evidence? These are obviously not brick-fire ovens you fucking retard

>>508770444
>Also nobody claims 6 million Jews were incinerated.
Then where are the bodies? You don't understand, you're making your argument worse for yourself (this was by design, I've argued this exact argument with retards just like you before).

The best cope you had was that they were all incinerated, the bones ground up into dust and chips, and then the dust and chips disposed of in a giant hole somewhere.

If you're going to cry and cope and say this isn't what happened... okay, great. I'm glad you think that.

So please show me the remains of the 5.5 million jews who weren't incinerated, according to you. If they weren't cremated and then ground up, then there should be bodies. There are still fields in Eastern Europe where human bones float to the surface after heavy rains, because of how many dead Christians the Communists murdered and buried there.

So where are these killing fields full of millions of jews? Where did the bodies go?

>you have a time problem
>you have a body problem
>you have a fuel problem
>you have a logistics problem
>you have an evidence problem
>you have a paper trail problem
>you have a "they did it in 120 days" problem
>you have a "I was gassed sixteen times and lived" obvious lies problem
>you have a nobody claimed it happened until 1956 problem
I know it's not a morgue, and I know it's not "baking cookies." If you want to be realistic and use the exact number of ovens they possessed, that's great.

Then I'll fuck you over by insisting on realistic times to incinerate a corpse in the 1930s, which means we're looking at an 8-to-10 hour per body cook time, minimum. I won't even split hairs with you about the fuel, I'll let you have magic ovens. You're still fucked.

You're still ultimately forced to argue that they hid sixteen football stadiums worth of dead bodies in a four acre lot. You're still constrained by the OFFICIAL 120 day long window in which the "genocide" officially took place.

>>508770891
Those are brick ovens which are fired with coke.
The reason why they are individual-ovens is to provide individual-ashes for relatives. Otherwise they would have been put in a large mass incinerator.

The holohoax historians initially claimed the gas chambers were scientifically designed to kill jews. But if that's the case, it would be the worst design of all time. forcing the jews underground, to then have to haul them back above ground on a shitty wooden elevator lift that can only haul 3-4 bodies at a time.
They changed the narrative. Now they say the facilities were initially intended as morgues, and were converted into gas chambers at the end of the war. You can't even get your own narrative right

>>508764886
shalom kike

>>508770989
This is a brick oven
Those are not brick ovens.

>>508771072
this is what they looked like dude, you can tour auschwitz and see them.

I don't know why you'd stake your position to something you are literally wrong about

>>508771072
>>508771150

>>508771150
>it has bricks around it, that makes it a brick oven! hurrrrrr
Your types are so fucking retarded it's unreal. Do you not see the fucking steel, retard? It's right there

>>508771072
holy shit you are such a fucking retard, are all jews this fucking stupid

>>508764886
>Stop posting it

>>508764886
Rabbi Shmuley, is that you?

>>508770891
Wow, ovens exist, surely that means that six billion bodies passed through them a day.

>>508765603
>ADL

>>508764886
this is usually an anti semitic board. But these days, there are so many pro-jew posters. I wonder why

>>508771240
These brick fired ovens were shitty and broke down often. We have the work orders for when the ovens broke down several times in the war and had to be repaired. You're assuming these things could handle millions of bodies, that's a ridiculous assumption in itself. Even granting you that fantasy, you have to indulge the notion that all these bodies were being shoved in every couple minutes 24/7 with no breaks, just to reach this arbitrary mathematical threshhold.

There's no way they would do it like this. They would just fucking shoot them

>>508770917
I assume we are in agreement with the bare minimum of accepting SS reports about Auschwitz throughput at face value. I don't know what retards you've been talking to but the distribution of bodies from the Holocaust is well-documented.

- Auschwitz-Birkenau: ~900,000 Jews; crematoria (52 muffles, 4,756–8,000/day), mass graves, ashes in rivers/fields.
- Treblinka: ~800,000–900,000; mass graves, open-pit burning (10,000–12,000/day), ashes scattered/rivers.
- Belzec: ~450,000; mass graves, open-pit burning, ashes scattered/buried.
- Sobibor: ~200,000–250,000; mass graves, open-pit burning, ashes scattered.
- Chelmno: ~150,000–200,000; mobile crematoria, open pits, mass graves, ashes in rivers/forests.
- Majdanek: ~60,000–80,000; crematorium (5 muffles), open-pit burning, mass graves, ashes scattered/buried.
- Einsatzgruppen Sites: ~1.5 million; mass graves (e.g., Babi Yar), some exhumed/burned (Operation 1005), ashes scattered.
- Ghettos (e.g., Warsaw, Lodz): ~800,000–1 million; cemeteries, mass graves, cremation in nearby camps, many unrecovered.
- Other Camps (e.g., Dachau, Buchenwald): ~200,000–300,000; crematoria, mass graves, some unrecovered.

If I was on my computer I'd humor you with more than AI slop. Sorry, it's the best I can do now.
I also don't know where the hell you're getting the 120 days figure from. The mass killing ranged from 1941-45 and peaked from 42-44.

>>508771240
>it has bricks around it, that makes it a brick oven! hurrrrrr
>Your types are so fucking retarded it's unreal. Do you not see the fucking steel, retard? It's right there
Never forget, this is the exact same shit Cain tried to pull when God asked him where Abel was.

>If you were the children of Abraham, the works of Abraham you would do.
>Instead you do the works of your true father, who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.
>You are a bloodline of serpents and vipers.
Verifiable serpent behavior.

>>508766279
No but inflating the number as part of war propaganda is bad, even more so if you then use said propaganda to carry way worse atrocities (ie ethnic cleansing of Germans, wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel).

>>508771543
>I assume we are in agreement with the bare minimum of accepting SS reports about Auschwitz throughput at face value.
Why would we be? There is zero documentation supporting the Holocaust narrative.

There weren't even six million jews present in the area Germany controlled at the time.

>I don't know what retards you've been talking to but the distribution of bodies from the Holocaust is well-documented.
Then were are the six million dead jews? Where are the bodies?

>>508771679
>I will believe the jews instead of my ancestors and everyone who wrote about them.

>>508771543
>well-documented.
You mean, it was invented by Raul Hilberg.
Hilberg is known for cherrypicking discredited sources to build a larger narrative.

Case in point, there was a holocaust "survivor" who claimed that he worked in the gas chambers. He suddenly emerged in the 90's right after the lawsuit with David Irving, to shore up some narratives.

Everyone knows that the walls of the chamber were not stained blue, which is a massive problem in the story. So this guy (whose name I forget) said that after every gassing they would rush in and furiously scrub the walls clean. Many people still use those quotes today to assert the walls were scrubbed clean.
But you would have to ignore all the OTHER ridiculous shit this guy said. He said the bodies were "burning hot" and would "flash into ashes" the moment they were placed in an oven, thus solving the "cremation time problem". He says he saw the pellets on the floor, but got the color wrong. Also if he did see them, he would be 100% dead. He got the layout of the chambers wrong....basically everything he said is wrong. But people still quote him as an authoritative source with regard to scrubbing the chamber walls.

Thats the kind of shit Hilberg does CONSTANTLY. He goes through otherwise discredited accounts and picks here and there a little snippet that he likes, and uses it to build a larger narratives. The documentary "One Third of the Holocaust" which you can find on Bitchute, tears through many of his sources

>>508771150
>this is what they looked like dude, you can tour auschwitz and see them.
Modern ovens with modern fuels take 4+ hours to incinerate bone. For 6 million dead there's either 700+ ovens, with mountains of fuel, or mass graves with burnt bones. When can I tour the 700+ ovens or mass graves.

>>508771655
Did you even read my fucking post? Where I detailed the distribution of dead Jews? Where the bodies went? Hello?

Here is the SS report in question, by the way. They themselves claim a throughput of 4756 for all crematoriums combined. Are you going to argue with the SS?

>>508771543
At best 3 million died in the concentration camps while the rest died at the Ghettos or during WW2. It's also possible the allies exaggerated the civilian casualties and that a lot go Jews either escaped Western Europe or joined the war as soldiers and died in the battlefield.

Wanting to use AI to reach arbitrary numbers in the camps also shows how weak your argument is. You are begging the question.

>>508771885
If a document says something which is physically impossible, that just discredits the document. I don't know where that document you're offering comes from. But you didn't know they were brick ovens, so you're fucking retarded

>>508771966
The red cross was in Auschwitz the whole time and made no reports of any gassings or mass killings, or anything of that sort

>>508770444
>SS report in June 1943 showed that the crematoriums could put out 4,756 corpses/day.
Divided by 52 ovens says each body was incinerated for 15 minutes. Leaving mass graves for all those bones. Should be a simple job to find so many mass graves. Any ground penetrating radar setup can find that level of disturbance. That's enough dirt moved for mass graves to be visible from space centuries later.

>>508771967
Why would the Nazi SS lie about that?
Can you explain that?

>>508772086
>Nazi SS
The SS is the elite guard. They are not building the ovens dude. I think maybe the paranoid jews shopping this document around thought that putting "Nazi SS" on there would give it more credibility

>>508772160
Oh okay, so they just decided to lie about it for some reason

>>508771810
I haven't a single doubt that opportunistic kikes have jumped and fabricated shit for personal gain. I also have no problem believing that the Nazis, with their explicitly anti-Jew ideology, killed many Jews. Why? Because they also killed upwards of thirty million of my people. What's six million more?

>>508771679
I agree with Zizek's argument that even if the Jews did all the bad things the Nazis accused them of, that doesn't justify antisemitism. That doesn't mean that the allies didn't exaggerated the Holocaust atrocities (ie lamps and soap made from Jews) or that the Zionists didn't latched onto the Holocaust narrative to justify their never-ending campaign of terror and destruction.

The fact that it's illegal to question the Holocaust in most of Europe, and that all the Nuremberg confessions were extra extracted through torture pretty much gives the game away. Even Noam Chomsky defended the right of Holocaust deniers to publish their own research based on the principle of free speech.

>>508771885
>They themselves claim a throughput of 4756 for all crematoriums combined.
Documents like this are used to prove fraud in court. The numbers are too perfect and yet impossible.

>>508772201
>for some reason
Yeah I wonder what the fucking reason could be dude. I wonder why they would possibly lie about this. It's such a mystery.
Anyway it's not possible to incinerate bodies that fast. 15 minutes/body is not physically possible. It would take a couple hours per body.

>>508772266
So why would the Nazis lie about it?

>>508772320
How can you burn a body in 15 minutes?

>>508771966
I am using AI to retrieve basic information that's been gone over hundreds of times. We are not conducting original research.
Do you have any problem with the numbers?

>>508772320
One of the major problems the holocaust narrative has, is that zyklon pellets are designed for slow-release, to allow workers to exist the room.
This is an issue, because even under ideal conditions zyklon does not reach the PEAK of its offgassing until the 1 hour mark, and then trails out from there. They claim the doors were open after 20 minutes.

This was such a huge problem in the narrative, that they invented these. Pic related. This is a "gas column", a large steel mesh structure into which the pellets were supposedly lowered on ropes. The after 15 minutes, the pellets would be dragged back up through the celing. Thus explaining how it it's possible.

None of these gas columns were ever found. There are no holes on the ceiling where they should have been bolted in. And yet, this is part of the official narrative.

So I ask you, why would they lie about this? What motivation would they possibly have?

>>508772280
Can you tell me what the fuck you know about cremation that would allow you to so confidently give numbers like this? I know nothing about cremation, educate me please.

>>508772086
>Why would the Nazi SS lie about that?
They have a job and report rosy unfactual information to their superiors. Why use the ovens to make bodies disappear. They could shoot and dump the bodies far easier. The ovens help disinfect but 15 minutes per body doesn't make bones disappear or dig mass graves. Why use an oven to make bodies disappear when everyone involved knows it doesn't work like that. Covid, where ten plus million people were killed for a scientist's hubris, was more evil and more covered up. Holocaust struggles to break into the top ten terrible thing this century.

>>508772524
modern ovens can only do like 100 lbs/hour. You can look it up. That's using the best modern technology we have.
To assert that a shitty coke-fired oven made of brick from the 1940's could do it faster is ridiculous. Bodies are 60% water, and it takes a long time to boil off all the water, before the body even starts to cremate.

>>508772631
If they didn't want to load ovens, why didnt they just underreport it if they were going to lie anyway?

>>508772653
Modern ovens operate at 1400-1600 degrees. Coke can get up to 3600 degrees, and I highly doubt they were checking the temperature.

>>508772524
>I know nothing about cremation, educate me please.
It's 4+ to 6 hours with modern incinerators and modern fuel for cremation. In modern times every time cremation numbers like this are reported they eventually find a pile of bodies somewhere. Because the ovens and people can't keep up. Ovens need cleaning and ashes dumped. The numbers indicate fraud because zero maintenance is being done. Then the bones have to be crushed and the debris dumped. There should be mass graves of ash and bone bits somewhere. Coke is needed for steel making and isn't great for an incinerator. The oven design and exhaust used then sucked for the purpose. It really looks like no one asked an engineer to design this. My guess is that fewer people died and everything was ret-con'd into the modern holocaust myth. Sure terrible things probably happened but the evidence says there's a ton of lies at work.

>>508773175
3600 degrees you say?

>>508768687
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab4-civilian-ovens-comparison/

https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab3-german-documents-ovens/

https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab6-open-air-burning/

>>508772912
>they didn't want to load ovens, why didnt they just underreport it if they were going to lie anyway?
They over reported the numbers to make a supervisor happy. Since no one inspected the report it seems to have worked.

>>508773251
what magical ovens were these?

>>508773251
Up to, not will.

>>508773303
>because i said so
You're gonna need more evidence than that, chump

>>508772653
>>508773204
Why do you act like a crematorium designed to incinerate as many fucking bodies as possible will compare well to a crematorium designed to make ashes for a family using an eco-friendly regulated oven? God you're so fucking stupid.
The ovens held 2-3 people too. So multiply the 52 ovens by 3.
You are literally acting like body incineration is a time-sensitive method and our modern technology is pushing the limits and can only get up to 100 lb/hr. Holy fucking shit.

I need to go to sleep. I will be back sometime, but not today. Goodbye

>>508773351
You think the ovens were operating above the melting point of steel? What were they made out of?
And besides, does turning up the heat even significantly increase the reaction-rate? I'm not so certain. If you treat it as a water-boiling problem, the limiting factor isn't necessarily how hot your source is, but rather, how slow the heat moves. That's why a sauna works, because the heat-transfer rate is slow.

>>508766279
Kike rats not people

>>508773175
>Coke can get up to 3600 degrees
Modern ovens take 4+ hours to get to temp, incinerate, then cool down. Clean. Crush bones. Repeat. At 3600 degrees they need a continous industrial process to incinerate. The oven can't cool down, they can't freely open the door, bodies need to be continuously fed and moved through, and yet steel would melt. The ovens look like they're designed as props and not as an industrial process. There's no insulation to protect the steel. No auger to clear the ash. In a modern design the temp would be lower significantly so it could be a functional design like a coal power plant.

>>508770545
The ovens could be tested with pigs. A man could build his own ovens (one for each type) and run them for a week. From that we could have a basis and draw a timeline(s) of some kind. Sry shitty english...

>>508773371
>You're gonna need more evidence than that
I point to your document as obvious evidence of fraud.

>>508773500
>crematorium designed to incinerate as many fucking bodies as possible
anon, they no longer claim this. They claim that they were standard crematoriums, which were hastily converted to gas chambers at the end of the war.

If they WERE designed for "mass cremations" they wouldn't look like this
> it wouldn't have been built underground, the reason for that is the preserve bodies in the morgue. There would be no reason to do that if it was designed as a gas chamber.
>they would have used a conveyer belt to move the bodies, not dragged them with canes.
>they would have used a large blast-furnace, not used individual ovens. The only reason you would use individual-ovens is to save their ashes for relatives.
Nobody today claims they were designed for mass-corpse disposal.

>>508764858 (OP)
It just doesn’t sound logical to spend 300kg of coal per cremation

>>508773781
is that actually what it says?

>>508764858 (OP)
The whole world knows it never happened, but they sure deserved it.

>>508773987
Germanbro, is what he said true: >>508773781

>>508773500
>Why do you act like a crematorium designed to incinerate as many fucking bodies as possible
It wasn't. Those ovens are horribly designed and look like a Hollywood director created them for tension. Not physics.
>will compare well to a crematorium designed to make ashes for a family
Because that oven is far more effective, actually works, and doesn't require a mountain of fuel.
>The ovens held 2-3 people too. So multiply the 52 ovens by 3.
Then it takes far longer to incinerate. This argument means that the body weight was far less. They're not incinerating healthy individuals that were just gassed but diseased sick people that died from poor health during a war.
>can only get up to 100 lb/hr.
Physics. There's either impossible BTUs being created that would absolutely revolutionize the power industry, or massive mass graves, or endless lies.

>>508773972
That’s roughly what it would take back in the day using chemical equation m*c*deltaT based on 70 kg person bones and water
The construction and insulation wasn’t that great back in the day

>>508772201
have you ever heard how these Nazis were questioned after WW2? They were literally tortured to admit to atrocities.

>>508774005
Also at the end of the day this is filthy kikes we are talking about. Realistically whether it happened or not they deserved it, but at the same time it has no relevance to now

>>508765385
Here is another good reference for those with the time and curiosity. It is a bit dry a times but the guy goes into detail.

'6 Million Jews'? 'Gas Chambers'? 'Industrial Scale Murder'? By Father James Mawdsley – Video https://rumble.com/v6rocuj-whence-6-million-jews-gas-chambers-industrial-scale-murder-by-father-james-.html?mref=wrdkl&mc=7vj9z

>>508774476
Have you read anything by Germar Rudolf? I haven’t had a chance but I heard he’s done some studies

Damn this thread is brutal, hasbara only sent one vpn kike and in 24 posts he's basically just enabling his own gangbang. I can see why they usually try and avoid these fights altogether. In fact, the kikes probably come here to regiment themselves on how to argue in circles so they don't get humiliated quite so hard when the topic ever comes up in person.

>>508775326
He is retarded

>>508764858 (OP)
yes jews were always source of the problem not a victims
they pretend to be victims to avoid prosecution for getting rich on other people's suffering

>>508771885
>doesn't understand the language of the document he posts as proof
it's monthly numbers assuming they're running 24 hours a day. not the number for 24 hours.