In foreseeable future enclave will be surrounded by a wall and minefield. In case of shit hitting the fan, any military instalation will be leveled by hundreds of Himars/Chunmoo missiles which makes its useless from strategic (and even tactical) perspective. Only land connection with Russia is by single train line, which isn't very reliable, as it depends solely on good will of Lithuanians.

Whole oblast is liability to Russia, rather than asset. It's citizens will have highest living costs of entire nation, without any pros.

It seems it will only get poorer and emptier. I don't know if it could be considered as pain in the ass/thorn in the eye/rock in the shoe for Lithuania and Poland (which could be considered worth to keep for hostile country like Russia), when it will be physically separated by any obstacle possible.

What could Russia do about it?
What could anyone do about it?

>>508773913 (OP)
they could force poles to clean their toilets

It should be used to import jeets into Europe

>>508773913 (OP)
Russians simply don't give a shit about this small turd, I think every citizen of this oblast knows his life will be sacrificed by Putin to slow down NATO response at least for a while so Moscow could be prepared for defense.

>>508773913 (OP)
That’s our territory. ACzechclave, if you will.

>>508773913 (OP)
Nothing and Germans don’t want it back. It’s destined to be an eternal shithole unless it can be somehow converted into a European version of Singapore as a free city but geographically that won’t work

>>508774240
Its valuable for GPS jamming NATO, and it makes the EU seethe. I assure you Russians care about it in 2025.

Gorbachev tried to sell it to Germany and they said no, big mistake

>>508774251
It is ancient Finno-Hellenic land back from the times of the Finno-Hellenic galactic empire.

nafo troons /thread

>>508774348
>Gorbachev tried to sell it to Germany and they said no, big mistake
it was never a serious proposal, also I think even if it was for real, Germany back then had enough problems with newly annexed GDR, now think what kind of headache would be to reintegrate Konigsberg with 1 million Russians and 0 Germans inside

>>508774251
Kralgrade is Serbia

>>508773913 (OP)
>What could Russia do about it?
probably just kill a couple million poolanders.

>pooland
36 million population
>Russia
140+ million population
who will run out of soldiers and weapons faster?

>>508773913 (OP)
russia does not give a single fuck about its own citizen, never have and never will. all this is to them is a strategic asset
to be honest why would you want this piece of shit now that there are russians living on it? The only way is to ethnically cleanse the area but that is out of fashion. I say it will be it's own republic after the war: the Baltic Republic. here is the flag, enjoy

>>508774329
During 1990s it was suppose to be Russian Hong Kong. However it didn't work out (because nothing works out in Russia). To turn into anything extraordinary, it would need to get some independence from Russia, which obviously won't happen.

However if... If Russians deemed it visa-free zone for foreigners (even passport-free for EU citizens, like many tourist countries), lower drinking age to e.g. 16, lift restrictions on gambling, recreational drugs, prostitution etc. it could become something special in Baltic. It obviously won't happen. But it could.
>>508774348
>Its valuable for GPS jamming NATO, and it makes the EU seethe
Yeah, it makes local fishermen pissed, but they adapted to it. And if they adapted then I assume it's not that big deal for NATO military either.

>>508773913 (OP)
>n foreseeable future enclave will be surrounded by a wall and minefield
the minefield will be destroyed in a decade by drunk poles stepping on the mines and blowing themselves up, let's be honest

>>508774942
No politician does you dishonest fuck

>>508775353
no one gives a fuck about russians. politicians, government workers, no-one. regular russians do not give a fuck about other regular russians either

>>508773913 (OP)
Chunmoo missiles!

>>508773913 (OP)
>What could Russia do about it?

>>508775350
Idk. Russians are doing plenty of that right now for real.

>>508775350
These mines will cost 10 billion złoty. 1 anti personel mine is like 100-300 złoty. I don't think that many Poles even lives along that border.

>>508775788
technically speaking Białystok is Russian clay, even Wilno is Russian as well, or Byelorussian, doesn't matter

>>508774452
>it was never a serious proposal
Gorbachev sold the entire Soviet Empire just for a chance to be in a Pizza Hut commercial. The retard thought agreements in just words were fine.

>>508778391
Moscow is Polish clay as fuck.

>>508779044
>Moscow is Polish clay
do you even know what does the word Moscow (Moskva) mean?

>>508773913 (OP)
>What could Russia do about it?
It's a bridgehead against NATO ZOGbots. Good enough for me.

>>508779817
>do you even know what does the word Moscow (Moskva) mean?
Name of the river, which got it's name from Finnish (meaning swamp or something). It doesn't matter. What matters is that Moscovian tsar paid tribute to Polish king in Warsaw in 1611, submissing Moscovia to Poles. It was probably first time Russian foot stood in Warsaw so it makes Moscow legitimately Polish town, along with territories around it.

You can keep the name Moskwa, because it's exactly the same in Polish and Russian.

>>508773913 (OP)
let poland take it. they are slavic too.

>>508780655
I don't know anything about this, probably nonsense. The Russians have always kicked your ass. And you've always betrayed them. Such a vile nature!
How many times has your country been splitted? Five or six times?

>>508780655
>we took advantage of swedish and ottoman raids on russia so it means russia is ours
you're just a nigger

>>508781123
we already have 40 million Slavs in this country, that's enough
you can take them

>>508781146
>I don't know anything about this, probably nonsense
It's called "history". It's like story but higher. In 1612 it wasn't Polish invasion on Moscow - it was punitive expedition within our own land.
>The Russians have always kicked your ass.
Literally every war when Russians tried fighting us without Germans helping them, we kicked their ass. I mean literally. They aren't that tough.
>And you've always betrayed them.
Betrayed them how and when exactly?
>How many times has your country been splitted? Five or six times?
It doesn't matter because we're still and again and again and still, in here. Also Moscow was ours before Russians got Warsaw. You can't unfuck what was fucked no matter how much you try. Moscow is rightfully ours, even though we don't want it.

>>508773913 (OP)
Do you want to get Ukrained? Because this is how you get Ukrained.

>>508782112
>It's called "history"
it's called BULLSHIT
They were prisoners. I've just read the full story: they needed your help, but you betrayed them like everyone else. Nothing new.
lol

>>508781238
How Estonian flag even looked like in 17th century? Was it ever waving over Kremlin? No? So shut the fuck up.

>>508773913 (OP)
>What could Russia do about it?
Conquer Lithuania.
Bomb Poland.
>muh NATO
They will do it while the US is busy with China.

>>508773913 (OP)
>hundreds of Himars/Chunmoo missiles
Anon, have you seen those installations? You can take the nuclear base with Iskanders at Cape Taran with a fucking rubber dingy with some dudes on it.
You'd need to level Pillau/Baltiysk's port, of course, but even that'd take like five Himars total.
>>508774251
I had dibs on some land, but you can have the rest.

>>508782377
Did you learn that in your russian school, memeflag ziggerino?

>>508782377
>They were prisoners.
Obviously. Because, like so many time through history, they lost a war against Poles.
>I've just read the full story: they needed your help, but you betrayed them like everyone else
You've read shit. He was allied with Swedes, not Poles. He lost to Poles.

>>508782112
>You can't unfuck what was fucked no matter how much you try
>Also Moscow was ours before Russians got Warsaw.
read it again, dumbfuck
Moscow, or Moskva, is how the Slavics (the Russians in particular) used to call a church. They only started using the word 'church' recently. The word 'mosque' is where it comes from. The Russians built a huge church there, as well as a small settlement for monks. So, the other people started to call that place 'Moskva'.

>>508783014
>Moscow, or Moskva, is how the Slavics (the Russians in particular) used to call a church. They only started using the word 'church' recently. The word 'mosque' is where it comes from. The Russians built a huge church there, as well as a small settlement for monks. So, the other people started to call that place 'Moskva'.
Think for godsake. Only way "Moskwa" and "mosque" could be connected this way, is if town (current capital of Russia) was established by muslims. Even for obvious retard like yourself, it's just too retarded. Whoever told you this story, lied.

>>508782862
He came back spiritually and partitioned you thrice lul. It took Russia to dissolve and you to become a devoted plumbing country to kick the jig up. What’s the brag

>>508783014
Das rite. Yury Dolgoruky was a proud Muslim. We wuz arabz n shieeet we invented numerulz n shieeeet 988 baptification by Vladimir the Great is a lie

>>508783568
there were no big difference between religions back then, and islam hadn't been invented yet

>>508773913 (OP)
>Y-you'll see one day, RuZZia
>2 weeks until RuZZia collapses
>Trust me, we wuz real heirs to Old Rus, take that muskovites
You NAFOtroons got boring like 2 years ago. Pack it up already and fuck off to plebbit

>>508783761
>there were no big difference between religions back then, and islam hadn't been invented yet
Nobody's that retarded, so you're obviously trolling.

>>508784207
>you're obviously trolling
you can't be this stupid

>>508774348
Germany wisely turned down such a "gift". A russified shithole with no Germans and no land connection to Germany. I'm sure if Germany did take it then in typical Russian Indian giver fashion, they would be talking about how horribly oppressed their citizens are yada yada just like they did in Ukraine.

>>508773913 (OP)
Kalingrad is a liability to anyone who owns it. There is decades of toxic and industrial waste buried there. Probably with no decent paperwork as to where and what is buried there.

>>508784280
I have nothing better to do atm, so let's take what you posted:
>there were no big difference between religions back then
So why catholics made several crusades to discipline muslims? Oh yes - because religion was very big deal back then.
>and islam hadn't been invented yet
Name of "Moscow" was first mentioned in 1147. There was Muromian (Finnish) village in that place around 10th century. Islam was invented in 7th century.

Only way of name "Moskwa" and Arabic "mosque" could be related is if Arabs (or post-7th century muslims) established that village along with it's name before Muromians, which is obviously not possible.

Other explanation for you connecting word of "mosque" with "church" is if you're coping with the fact that Russians were so deep under islamic (Mongol) boot, that they started using their phrases. Nobody else calls church "moskwa" or anything like that.

>>508773913 (OP)
The moment anyone makes an actual move (instead of just empty barking and bravado for optics) to threaten or compromise the Suwalki Gap corridor, let alone Kaliningrad itself, baltic chihuahas go bye-bye.

>>508783682
It was the Byzantines who funded the establishment and construction of your capital. They didn't plan to make it your capital. It was their refuge. They were christians, while you were pagans in the good sense of the word.

>>508785387
>Suwalki Gap
I'm starting to think this term was invented to identify whenever someone doesn't know what is he tallking about.
>baltic chihuahas go bye-bye.
Two days. Maybe two weeks. Maybe 3.5 years and counting.

>>508773913 (OP)
>depends solely on good will of Lithuanians

There was already a blockade of Kaliningrad in 2022. Russia threatened to invade if it doesn't get lifted and both the EU and Lithuania folded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_transit_to_Kaliningrad_Oblast

>>508785845
>I'm starting to think
based on your posts, I see no evidence of this

>>508782022
>you can take them
no u

>>508773913 (OP)
My great grandma's from there she gtfo back in ww1 though. Give it to Germany lol

>>508773913 (OP)
You won't do shit.

>>508785484
>your capital
It's so cute when Russian trolls speak of themselves in third person.
>>508785851
>There was already a blockade of Kaliningrad in 2022. Russia threatened to invade if it doesn't get lifted and both the EU and Lithuania folded.
There was a month between Russian threats and lifting blockade, so it probably wasn't it.

However if threats were cause of lifting blockade, then blockade could be applied at any second, because entire assumption of NATO agencies is that Russia will invade Balts asap, no matter what.

>>508773913 (OP)
>What could Russia do about it?
How should we react to the barking of a chihuahua and a poodle? u wont do shit gzegozsh/mykola, our/ missiles arrived on the territory of pooland, and what happened in the end? lol

Just level the whole place and have trees grow there or something.

>>508786838
Bitch, your Shithole Horde can't invade poorest and most corrupted country in Europe. These threats aren't even funny at this point.

>>508773913 (OP)
>What could Russia do about it?
Give back clay

>What could anyone do about it?
Give back surrounding clay

HEIM INS REICH

>>508787241
It's actually Prussia. Prussia is not Germany. The Prussians were Balts and they even had their own language btw.

>>508782503
>Kacap is waving his small srussian dick in Estonia
many such cases, Dariusz

Yet another thread made by poleshits to seethe about Russia and have their impotent fever dreams

>>508773913 (OP)
Russia's DLC map

>>508787805
Prussia was established by Teutonic Order and is very much starting point of modern Germany. Autistic law-abinding that is identified with German way of life came from the Order.

Order took the name after Prussians they conquered. Exactly how Moscovians rebranded themselves into Russians when they start invading actual Ruthenians.

Btw originally "rus" meant non-Slavs of the east. Later it became synonymous with Eastern Slavs. "Russia" stole that name.

>>508788794
>Ruthenians
>Russians
shut the fuck up, please

>>508788794
>we wuz real Russians
Why don't you go back to the Ukraine and fight for your country, Taras?

>>508773913 (OP).

Don't worry anti-Sovietism (or anti-Stalinism) isn't anti-Russian. There's a huge comparison.

>>508788969
"Ruthenia" is English word for "Ruś" retard. This minor distinction between "Rosjanie" and "Rusini" (which is similar in Russian and Polish) developed after rebranding of Moscovian state into Rus-ia.

>>508773913 (OP)
I see all the trannies have been transferred back to Russia, Russia, Russia, now Iran embarrassed Israel.

>>508789127
I'm not from any kind of Ruś, Pedro. My people were trying to civilized these people so I know their history better than most of them.

>>508787143
The Ukrainian army is larger than the French, British, German, Swedish and Polish armies put together. The French (who make up almost half of that number) also count gendarmerie among their troops.

>>508774251
If the Czechs get a coastline, the Antichrist is here.

>>508789616
It got bigger when Russia attacked. Just like armies of France, Brits, German and especially Sweden and Poland will get bigger when potential threat becomes reality. There are young people with rifles and uniforms running around woods near my house who aren't even counted as part of army at the moment.

>>508789994
Ukraine's army didn't just get larger, it got larger with closed borders. That's a very significant difference.

If the European governments choose closed borders, forced conscription, the collapse of the euro and the possibility of nuclear strikes over the rollback of NATO and the acceptance of Ukraine's capitulation - Russia can blow up the German power stations and Norwegian oil fields with conventional IRBM's to demonstrate the seriousness of its intentions.

>>508774942
What's the difference between the Russian and the Polish people?

>>508780655
>Name of the river, which got it's name from Finnish (meaning swamp or something)
Swamp is "suo" in Finnish. There is a theory that Finland's internal name, Suomi, means "swamp land" (which would be "suomaa" in modern Finnish), but it's not concrete. But you are partially correct about Moscow's name. The leading theory about its name is that it means "marsh" or "wetland" it Proto-Slavic.

>>508791812
None, its same shit with retards living in past they never witnessed and governments abusing their stupidity.

>>508793775
This reminds me. I recently saw this trailer for a game set in the 90s Poland. If you told me it was set in 90s Russia, I would have easily believed it. Except for the painting, the interior design is extremely Soviet.
https://youtu.be/Qh0X59sJFig

>>508790449
Why Russia can't just convince Ukrainians of serious intentions?
>>508791812
Centuries of natural selection in different environment which developed very different set cultural of values. It's basically individualism vs collectivism.
>>508792300
Berlin was named after Slavic "swamp" (Polish "bagno"). It's funny if name of both capitals came from same thing.

>>508773913 (OP)
superAIDS staging ground

>>508774348

It was full of Russians so it would not have been compatible with German culture.

>>508794550
>Berlin was named after Slavic "swamp" (Polish "bagno")
doesnt even sound remotely the same
and thats just a stupid theory

>>508774348
It was offered to Lithuania too and they too refused
you know why?
It's full of Russians

>>508794550
>poles
>natural selection
selected for what?
toilet cleaning?

>>508796556
Because these Slavs who named Berlin weren't of Polan's tribe. They later integrated into Krauts. That's why R1a (Slavic) haplogroup is so prevelent in that part of Germany.
>>508796650
You silly goose, natural selection is not "for" something, but "by" something.

>>508773913 (OP)
>In case of shit hitting the fan, any military instalation will be leveled by hundreds of Himars/Chunmoo missiles
Poland needs yet another FAFO partition.

>>508786838
>How should we react to the barking of a chihuahua and a poodle
Poland is a real county, that has indigenous dog breeds, it's only respectful to use them.
So, three chihuahuas an albino Pomeranian.

>>508773913 (OP)
If Russia wasn't such assholes and could just live for 5 minutes without having to kill one of their neighbors there wouldn't be a problem.