Thread 508781244

EU about to make it a law that you OWN the digital goods you buy. The Jews are doing everything possible to smear this. EUfags sign this shit

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

>this is your hero
lol
lmao even

>>508781244 (OP)
buy an ad

What games did they kill?

fuck vidya games, everythings halfbaked shit nowadays

>>508781244 (OP)
I signed it simply because the guy against it is a furry.

>>508781244 (OP)
I agree

>>508781489
how could you betray your brother like this

>>508781427
SAAAAAR

>>508781244 (OP)
>EU about to make it a law that you OWN the digital goods you buy
That's not what it's about at all. It's about forcing publishers to make sure a game is in a playable state before dropping support for it.

>>508781244 (OP)
It will sadly fail. I blame Cyprus.

>>508781444
There are literally too many to actually name off of the back of your hands, but you can easily say that they killed every single game that was "Sunset," i.e. every Online-only game that is no longer functioning.
Just a raw example is Wildstar. Yes, the company went under, but by going under, it took the game with it - something many people paid big bucks to play, let alone have the right to play.

>>508781244 (OP)
Good. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve purchased Mega Man 9.

>>508781244 (OP)
>EU about to make it a law that you OWN the digital goods you buy.
No, that's a petition to make the EU look into that issue.
I do think it's good, though, because the lack of laws in this space allows for too much jewry.
It should be clear if you buy something or subscribe to a service.

No regulation at all

I am a Libertarian

>>508781678
Dark spore
Age of Empires online
City of heroes
Save them Jesus

>>508781773
You aren't European mutt so you don't matter

>>508781584
>game is losing so much money that they have to drop support for it
>"By the way spend more money to do this thing that 10 people will appreciate"
Does no one see the problem here?

>>508781637
If the signatures are reached they only take a look at it, they can throw it out without doing anything, which they might and like the British petition actually did. Maybe people should just endlessly annoy consumer protection groups about this, until they do something about it.

>>508781801
>>508781678
Servers can be hosted by others.
Companies would simply loose the monopoly and would need to compete.

reminder that this is exactly why the EU economy stagnates, like how they literally shot themselves in the foot with AI

even though this may sound good to regulate, adding more rules and regulations should be a last resort.

I BOUGHT IT. I OWN IT.
WHERE IS MY SOURCECODE I CAN DO WHATEVER I PLEASE WITH?
STOP KILLING GAMES IS FOR PUSSIES.
SOURCE OR GTFO.

>>508781888
there is no problem here. supplying the executable to run a dedicated server used to be the norm two decades ago.
developing a live service game that depends on external services takes more effort, not less.
the software architecture just has to be designed reasonably from the beginning which is okay because a law would not apply to old games.

>>508781888
>sell game
>"we don't profit enough anymore"
>game stolen
Does no one see the problem here?

>>508782373
even if it does depend on external services there are ways to fix that.
the server application is all they need to provide.

>>508781888
This sounds like a them problem.
The industry has made a rod for their own back by continuing in this fashion, and it's not the consumer's issue that redressing it will fuck over a few companies before it's standard practise and accounted for.

>>508782373
also providing the server application is easier now than it ever was because most web shit nowadays is dockerized.

>>508782458
Name a game that you care about that this actually happened to.

>>508782566
No that sounds like a you problem. As in "You're expecting a dying company to go above and beyond for a game you aren't even going to play".

>>508782703
The game should be in a working state before it's even released.

theres no reason to argue with zoomers they werent old enough to live through the golden era of gaming. when you say host a server these fags think youre talking about minecraft. they fail to understand that the most successful games are actually stolen from mods (such as league of legends is stolen entirely from wc3)

>>508781379
bigger hero than you will ever be nigger

>>508782157
You will die and be buried in a world worse than you were born in because you refused to settle for incremental change. Congratulations, faggot.

>>508781379
Kekfuel I haven’t seen this nigga in so long

>>508782833
You can refund at any point for any reason in the first 2 hours even on steam, some countries might have even large windows.
We aren't talking about on release anyway, we're talking about on servers being shut down.

>>508782627
need for speed world
>"but it was f2p"
I paid for microtransaction currency
and Darkspore

>>508781244 (OP)
people from EU are weak and pathetic they would never fight against their masters. this is why they can't get 1 million signs. it is fucking demoralizing

>>508782907
>such as league of legends is stolen entirely from wc3
Aren't you thinking dota?

>>508781244 (OP)
Not your personal army faggot, grow up.

You gotta stop posting this bloke's mug especially after getting exposed.

>>508781244 (OP)
Singed it. By the way you can see which videogame youtubers are in the pockets of videogame publishers depending on their silence, support for or against this.
>if they are silent this means someone owns their ass and they don't want to lose a sponsor
>if they are against this means someone owns their ass and they don't want to lose a sponsor
>if they are for this means they don't have ties to videogame publishers

>>508782907
>theres no reason to argue with zoomers they werent old enough to live through the golden era of gaming.
We're currently in said golden age.

>>508781244 (OP)
>own the copy you bought
There's literally nothing wrong with this.

>>508782964
nah, im already running 100% FOSS. I don't even play games anymore because of how cucked you need to be to get them.
We need to treat every piece of software as if it were licensed under agpl v3.

>>508781379
>attacking someone on looks rather than the substance of their message
go back to plebbit

>>508781678
Oh right. That is keeping MMOs on permanent maintenance mode on a server in some guys room

>>508782703
>Buy a john deere tractor
>john deere goes out of business
>tractor stops functioning
Only difference is that this tractor is 1s and 0s.

>>508782373
If it's completely impossible because of licensing they already signed, they can release packet info and documentation.
Let the fans put it back together. That is still better than nothing.

>>508782703
I expect it to already be standard practise that they have a backup, which would mean their current financial status is irrelevant.
Not my problem that the industry needed to be forced and get burned in the process.

>>508781678
EverQuest is still alive via Project 1999
Dark Age of Camelot has Uthguard and Phoenix

>>508783102
Stop being so antisemitic! Think of the billiondollar corporations! Think of the CEO's Christmas bonus! What are you, a COMMUNIST???? You won't own your videogames and you will be happy!

>>508781379
he does not look like he was selected by corpo PR department, how can you even listen to him?

>>508781244 (OP)
>EU about to make it a law
lol, no

Moldman is trying to get enough signatures on a petition to make them CONSIDER making a law that would require live service slop to have some kind of end of life plan that would allow for third party servers to take over once a live service product reaches EoS. This would almost certainly never happen because the tech industry would see the obvious wider implications of such a precedent on digital services in general (despite how much moldman thinks he can avoid this by "narrowly tailoring" is to video games) and lobby the shit out of killing it.

Moldman admittedly has no legal of political expertise and has done and will do no actual work on drafting any kind of legislation. He just thinks someone else is going to do it I guess. He hasn't even crossed the starting line on this yet. He's just an "idea guy" with a petition that doesn't have enough signatures.

>>508781379
He is friend shaped, clearly, I do not feel threatened by this individual what so ever.

>>508781244 (OP)
who is this freak? and why is he relevant on game development?

>>508781244 (OP)
Awesome more Night Media Asmon threads. Why do they want /pol/ watching him? Feels sus. Anyway on every Asmon ad, I toss out one of my own:
https://youtu.be/LDf9D5PmKXU

>>508781244 (OP)
it will fail because it isnt advertised enough
many people dont speak english they dont even know this petition exist

>>508781582
This reminds me of those infomercials where people act retarded to sell some made for tv bullshit.

>>508782993
>a literal MMO
No.
>a bad, yet valid, game only denied by DRM
This is the kind that pretty much anyone can get behind yet instead of focusing on this kind of situation you have retards saying they want MMOs to be available when their servers are shut down. You can also argue that there are probably cracks out there anyway.

>>508782979
What the fuck do returns have to do with anything? Are you retarded?

>>508781379
Caring about video games is childish man-child behaviour

>>508781801
city of heroes is still going strong, anon
play on homecoming, they even have an official endorsement from NCsoft

>>508783195
If the EU passes it into law this should npt even matter as much as the right to continue using the game.

>>508783424
For some of us, vidya is the only thing that makes us feel remotely accomplished in life.

>>508783189
I'm pretty sure only John Deere are allowed to repair their tractors so that isn't the argument you think it is.

>>508781244 (OP)
The games nowadays kill themselves.

>>508783058
Shut up glownigger bodysnatcher you killed the old Breakroom and conveniently replaced him with a fucking ZOGbot.

>>508781888
why should i care? if i paid for it and they decide to bail, why do i have to get screwed over?
do you see the problem?

>>508783424
People always cared about art and entertainment. Bread and games.

>>508783198
>they should put money into preparing for when they need to shut the company down because 10 people might want to play the game in 20 years

>>508783387
You can make an argument that free to play MMOs can be exempted. It would be nice if we could self host shit like TERA or runescape, though I haven't touched either in years.

>>508781244 (OP)
Couldn't you just kill the gaming industry by torrenting these games and not paying for them?

>>508783541
Nope. Enjoy your time in the void, you lying treasonous technoweenie.

>>508783508
It's exactly the argument I think it is, because right to repair is going after John Deere kikes here in the US.

>>508783508
There is an entire debacle surrounding this right now in America that I urge you to look into about proprietary tech and how tractor manufacturers are loading them full of anti-consumer tech to make them impossible for a layman to perform mantinence on. They WILL take it from you if you let them.

>>508783411
>The game should be in a working state before it's even released.
By not refunding you know what you were getting and you consented.

>>508783096
kill yourself tripfag

gaming is fucking dead. go play repo while dilating, you love that game, dont you? all your favorite streamers are playing it!

saging so tripfag thread dies. come report me, homo

>>508781379
Pretty sure he looks like this.

Seriously who even has a legit reason to argue against this? You only benefit by having some kind of ownership of what you paid for. The only ones who would complain are the jews who can't fuck you over and steal your shit anymore which is what this thread seems to be full of.

>>508783630
>Hurrrrr I am not le Glownigger, I loev israel and satanyahu u guis!!!1!
Wow, so organic!

>>508783552
Why should they care? They're shutting down. You bought a product seeing an "internet connection required" label on the box, seeing "You're buying a license and we have the right to reject you at any time for any reason" in the EULA.
If you're banned for cheating in an online only game do you think you should be refunded?

>>508783773
...
You missed the point entirely.

>>508783411
Yes he is.

>>508783598
No MMO should be exempt, particularly if you pay a subscription because then the subscription is access to the MMO (even if you have to pay for a base version like WoW).
A lot of them have private servers anyway. The only defense for MMOs in regards to this thread I could see is "If you're ceasing the game and aren't continuing the IP elsewhere (e.g. Game 2) you wave right to legal action against non-monetized private servers.

>>508783096
>We're currently in said golden age.
Nah. The golden age of gaming was 1995-2008, or 1991-2012 if you stretch it a bit.

>>508783779
>kill yourself tripfag
Can't. I'm too important here. You can go cry now.
>gaming is fucking dead. go play repo while dilating, you love that game, dont you? all your favorite streamers are playing it!
Dont know what that game is, dont watch other streamers in order to not inadvertently commit gimmick infringement when I do stream. Not a trooner so I'm gonna have to pop you for treason.
>saging so tripfag thread dies. come report me, homo
THE ORDER HAS BEEN GIVEN

>>508783856
I dont like kikes. Here's your cumulative treason charge until you get the picture.

>>508784211
GLOWNIGGER

>>508784205
MMos shouldn't be exempt but it's good enough to focus at one problem at the time.

>>508784309
MUSTAAAARD!

https://youtu.be/PiKZL6jiJ3U

>>508781444
so many, and sooo many more in the future
pay attention before all that's left is social programming disguised as games (which is the goal)

signed it, thanks for the link faggot

>>508781379
go back to tel-aviv

>>508783601
You'd have to reverse engineer the whole server from scratch without any documentation or code.
And while it is possible to do everything blind (WoW and Genshin servers are the proof), the modern gaymers are just unwilling to participate in this.
For example, Path of Exile is a really nice game but it's players are all bootlickers who refuse to even talk about self-hosted private servers. Once the plug is pulled, the game will be lost forever.

>>508783601
If the game is reliant on a central server to function (which nowadays is many of them) or decrypts client files at runtime (which nowadays is most of them), then it makes piracy extremely difficult or outright impossible.

>>508783634
>>508783714
I'm aware of it. It's a slightly different scenario because one is actively interfering with the product and the other is the product just not being available anymore.
A more accurate example would be buying life time membership to some themepark but the themepark shuts down. You can't just demand that they boot up the themepark because you paid for a life time membership and you aren't dead yet.

Is this this the same petition thats on kiwifarms?

If I get a cartridge for a game and a system to play it on I can play the game no matter how old it is or if the company is functioning. Nobody has a term of service crap to say I can or cannot play that game.
If I put money into it I should be able to play that game. I don't care about the legal crap. I don't want game devs or servers or whatever stopping me from playing a game I bought.
While I'm at it I hate playing an online game and seeing patch notes and buffs and nerfs.
Unless its a game breaking bug leave things the fuck alone unless its an expansion we can choose to buy into or not
>Hey the dev woke up on the wrong side of the bed and nerfed the class you're playing
Fuck off with that too

Regardless,
Once in 5 years EU does something good.

>>508784081
Your point was retarded and you should feel bad for making it. The game shutting down and taking its servers with it isn't related to it being in a working state on release.

>>508784205
But anyway the point is, why does one product get exempted just because it's digital? If I buy something it's mine. That doesn't mean I own the copyright of the product but the company doesn't get to have their cake and eat it too by selling me something that has a literal built in time bomb.

>>508784476
>buying life time membership to some themepark
I didn't buy a life time membership to a theme park, or a gym, or a club, I bought a video game or a movie or a song. Again, I didn't buy the copyright, I bought a copy. If that copy requires a server to function then you have a product with planned obsolescence and that's jewish.

>>508781244 (OP)
Any law that forces companies to do something they don't want to will have side effects. In this case this case it could mean an increase in the costs of operations, which companies can offset by passing it down to consumers through pricier games

>>508781244 (OP)
So what means this? I own some games in steam, what will change if they bring this law up.
Xplain this like i was a turbo retard.
I read diagonally the thread and didnt find any correct xplanation.

>>508784550
Holy fuck you are an idiot. You're autistic aren't you? You're still not getting it.

>>508781244 (OP)

this guy looks like a watered down sticks hecksenshammer
so, an imitation of something that already looks liek a squirrel
you couldn't pay me to to listen to someone that looks like that

>>508781244 (OP)
Already did first month

>>508784754
No you bought a license to it. I think you'll find music/movies are the same.
Whether that's a good thing or not is another thing entirely. Fact of the matter is if it requires someones servers to run for gameplay reasons (not just because DRM) what you're asking is for them to put additional effort into the game to plan for when the game's dead and no one wants to play it anymore (which is a bit of an oxymoron).

>>508782703
Any law produced would not be retroactive. Apple did not recall every released iPhone to convert them to type- C because that's unreasonable, just like asking a game studio that might not even exist to fix a shutdown online game.

>>508781244 (OP)
>EU about to make it a law that you OWN the digital goods you buy
This is indeed based
Fucking jews

>>508781379
Never heard him being wrong

>>508781379
he's a great guy.

>>508785246
>you bought a license to it
No, I bought a copy.

>>508784619
One is explicitly reliant on the creators to keep servers running for core functionality. I do agree that if it's just DRM that's a dick move.
I think cost is a factor too, take Tesla for example, I think everyone agrees that Teslas should remain operable even if the company shuts down even if it loses features. But a video game is cheap (MTX is your fault, that isn't the vidya's price).

>>508783508
retard alert

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing. Simple as.

>>508783424
Caring about paintings and sculptures is man-child behaviour. We should cut museum funding and burn down exhibits so people can look at our AI woke slop.

>>508785266
Putting aside games that are currently in development that would have to alter things, this is still demanding a change for when the product goes tits up.

>>508781244 (OP)
U need to contact atleast 2 politicians from opposite parties that think this resolution will guarantee future votes for them aka the gamer votes.

>>508785797
>reliant on the creators to keep the servers running
And that is the fucking problem you retard.

>>508785875
But piracy isn't stealing, it's piracy.

>>508783424
I would expect this behaviour from my countrymen and not a Slovenian. You deserve all the migrants you get faggot.

>>508781888
>game is losing so much money that they have to drop support for it
>"By the way spend more money to do this thing that 10 people will appreciate"
>Does no one see the problem here?
sounds like you designed it wrong

>>508785875
Just stop putting all that effort into faggot fucking video games and none of it will bother you. Games havent been good for 15 years

>>508785914
There' would be a window from when the legislation is made to when it will be enforced. Like say 2030 games have to work with the new standards.

>>508785875
It is. That's why I'll never create such works.

>>508785982
>it's a problem that servers interact with games to deliver core functionality

>>508781801
>Dark spore
I feel immense sorrow...dont do this to me fren.

>>508781379
Post a picture of yourself,you won’t you subhuman shit skin

>>508785914
>>508786088
>this is still demanding a change for when the product goes tits up.
>server that delivers core functionality
Sounds like a 'them' problem. Perhaps the nigger shouldn't have stolen from the convenience store if he didn't want to be arrested and tased by cops.

>>508781379
Why do you fags care so much about looks
You gonna go suck his dick or something?

>>508786043
Well yeah, if it were designed well they more than likely wouldn't have to drop support for it.

>>508781244 (OP)
>went to sign it

>realise were not in the EU anymore.

FFFFFFFFUUUUCCKKIIG TORRRIIE CCCUUNNNTTTSS!!!

>>508785875
While that sounds funny and edgy, the problem is that piracy already isn't stealing but it's still a crime even if you're pirating abandonware.

>>508785914
It's only demanding a change for games that are released after any theoretical law is passed and after a grace period passes.
Newer games would just start the development with a compatible project architecture in mind, which doesn't require any extra work at all.
t. dev

>>508786212
Isn't there some separate britbong signing thing too?

>>508786309
link me faggot flag chinkoid jeet

>>508783424
This has wider implications in the corporate sphere. Video games are at the end of the day software and video game companies are software (and a select few hardware) companies.
Whatever gets applied to them in terms of laws around people owning things will set precedent towards all other tech companies.

This effort, if successful, strikes a blow to the "own nothing and be happy" corpo bullshit.

You're either retarded or malicious. I don't make a distinction between the two so you're just a malicious retard in my eyes.

>>508781379
How did he get to Stormwind?

>>508781244 (OP)
Dont mind me.

>>508786344
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/

>>508786134
No it still sounds like a you problem.
Can you think of a game where this was an issue? A game that people still wanted to play but can't because the servers are gone.
Note we're already discussed always-online DRM (I'm against the DRM) and MMOs (I'm against MMOs being treated the same here, I'd include multiplayer only games here too).

>>508786361
There are products being made - physical products, that companies are shutting down left and right. I think a huge example comes from Wyse. This would be great to have passed.
>>508786438
>No it still sounds like a you problem
Hey jew, you're going to make your game available indefinitely and you're going to like it.

>>508783051
You are
Seethe

>>508782993
>need for speed world
My nigga, soapbox race world just isn't the same.

>>508783189
>Buy a john deere tractor
>john deere goes out of business
>tractor stops functioning

>John Deere
Uh... anon... that would happen

>>508781444
Here is the list
https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list

>>508786422
done.

>need 100k
>only have 29

i fucking have this country

>>508781244 (OP)
Terrible idea. If this passes, it will eliminate a whole genre of online multiplayer games that can only work with a back end service. Fuck off. Just stop giving your money to shitty companies.

>>508786640
>that can only work with a back end service
NIgger I was running "back end services" on a Windows xp computer 20 years ago.

>>508786216
>Newer games would just start the development with a compatible project architecture in mind, which doesn't require any extra work at all.
But it would require extra work, it would require you to support this specific type of server connection rather than the type you were going to use.

>>508781379
The Americans fear the Nordic man.

>>508786463
So you can't name a game? Why are you kicking up such a stink then?

>>508782155
No, its caused by the american war and the infinite migrations it caused.
Never forget we're a vassal of the US, essentially, a colony.

>>508782627
Monkey quest and dragalia lost.

>>508782627
Titanfall 1 PC servers are dead.

>>508786758
>So you can't name a game?
Aus flag lets the mask drop and confirms itself a jew lmao >>508786544

>>508782627
the crew

>>508781379
For me its Untitled (track 15).

>>508781244 (OP)
capitalism demands constant sales. just look at any pre 80s homeware you still own compared to the one you bought last year and had to throw out after 10 months
bitch and moan as you please but youre not attacking the root

>>508786216
It's not a crime, and if this bullshit of owning nothing keeps up it's going to encourage more people to do it.

You really thought people were going to accept owning nothing? Stupid inbred.

>>508786804
>MMO
No.
>"While the game is fully playable as a single-player experience"
Valid.

>>508786886
>Multiplayer only
No.

>>508786899
>MMO
No.
>link
4th on the list is 8realms, a fucking web game that never left the beta. List discarded.

>>508786544
>oh no a bunch of boring obscure old online games nobody plays anymore
>I'm going insane!
Get it together, zoomer. Touch grass

>>508787091
>List discarded
THE JEW CRIES OUT IN PAIN AS IT STRIKES YOU. Reminder to call out jews out.

>>508786899
the list is just something collected few months ago.
there is even bigger list floating on their discord server.
as Ross said it , people are in complete apathy.
They eat, sleep and shit not caring about anything else even its to their own detriment.

>>508781379
What's wrong?

>>508787176
>there is even bigger list
I know, but the jew I've been having a back and forth with attempted to strawman me by saying I can't even name a singular game that was impacted by what he's damage controlling for. Basically, he's a jew.

>>508786975
I believe that one was specifically always online for licensing reasons (the cars). And I have heard of games that've been taken off of steam for similar reasons (music licenses expired).
I don't know enough about licensing negotiation to comment on what they should've done, it is silly thoughbeit.

>>508784441
>decrypts client files at runtime (which nowadays is most of them)
>extremely difficult
DS3 and elden bling did that and guess what, people mod them and even coop bypassing the official servers

>>508781444
MAG THE BEST FPS EVER MADE.

>>508787145
Whats it like being an unpaid middleman for the shareholders, at least the lawyers are being paid to keep flak on the employees of these companies

>>508787091
Initiative already failed in your region, cool it.
Nobody will take your digitally rented games when online services shut down.
You are safe, this is for the rest of us.

>>508787285
>unpaid middleman for the shareholders
Did you respond to the wrong post?

>>508787105
im literally 40yo

>>508786361
I think the situation is much better in the corporate world because corporations have legal recourse.
If you buy a copy of a software it can usually be used indefinitely, even when it's no longer supported.

Subscriptions are a different issue and I don't think the initiative is against the concept of subscriptions.
They just have to transparently communicate that you're buying a subscription for a specific amount of time.

>>508787145
You listed a fucking MMO, the most online a game could possibly be, and demanded that it be accessible once the servers went down. Sit the fuck down nigger.

>>508781244 (OP)
Mana gem roach king killing games like he killed his group in dire maul. God I hate that smug ferret fucker faggot

>>508781379
TOTAL KIKE DEATH

>>508787325
Sorry anon that was meant for the fag over at pinegap

>>508787362
>You listed a fucking MMO
One that cannot be played any longer, jew. Seethe and cope.

>>508787256
>I believe that one was specifically always online for licensing reasons

do i care? no
stop making games with finite licenses

>>508787329
And you still play video games? Holy fuck man, IT'S OVER

>songs removed from gta online radios because of license

the fury knows no bounds

>>508787362
Maybe you're too young and retarded to remember when games would come with software so you could host your own servers.

I don't care about vidya anymore since they got woke. They can own them.

>>508787511
yes and?

>>508787299
It's failed in Europe too because it's a half assed initiative that doesn't hold up to any actual scrutiny.
Why the fuck would you expect online only games to be accessible when the servers go down?

>>508787575
He's a jew. He doesn't give a shit. See >>508787592

>>508787491
And you knew that would be the case on account of the O in MMO.

>>508781244 (OP)
Roach

>>508787091
>um, no you filthy chudcel, you don't deserve to run a private Titanfall server with your friends! it doesn't count!
The bare minimum of multiplayer video games should have the ability to host servers.

>>508787670
Hey jew, why do you ignore the fact that I can host my own servers just fine? Star Wars Galaxies lives on because people are self hosting servers. Explain that jew.

>>508781379
When he uploads the next episode of Freeman’s Mind 2, world peace will be achieved. I call it.

>>508787608
>everyone who disagrees with me is a jew
You're the one crying about buying a game for $20 and not being able to play it 10 years later after it was so dead that the servers had to be shut down.

>>508787608
It's pretty damn obvious. There's only one kind of person who would argue that it's bad for you to have ownership of what you paid for.

>>508787592
You wouldn't understand.
(my guess is you are a rentoid irl)
But yes I agree EU failed but not without a reason.
They were overstretched and people like pirate software are actively trying to sabotage it.

>>508787585
>yes and?
You should probably also detransition

>>508787784
>everyone who disagrees with me is a jew
Yes. And the fact that you're using this statement definitely means you're a jew. Self hosted servers jew.

>>508786640
Shut the fuck up, Zoomer. AoE2, the greatest multiplayer game ever created, is perfectly capable of existing indefinitely without MS support.

https://www.voobly.com/

>>508787887
whatever you say bud

>>508787008
The infinite growth game and line must always go up every quarter is what drives this.
The fact of the matter is that the companies want to continue to sell products without requiring the money to make new products that are worth buying alone.
So you get planned obsolescence and make it prohibitively or perhaps impossible for repairs.

With video games this should be a no brainer.
>Make game.
>Sell game
>Make next game
>Sell next game.

But these game companies, the big ones at least, are risk adverse and for some reason need to dump half a billion dollars and 5 years to produce half-broken slop.
They want you to stop having access to older games so that you will be more likely to buy their newer games.

BECAUSE THEY CANT COMPETE. And it's funny because it's not just competition with other game companies it is competition with their own past products.

>>508787746
I never called anyone a chud, I said it's stupid to expect for a game that's online only to last forever. If it had a single player mode then there's no reason not to give you access to that.

>>508781244 (OP)
fuck piratesoftware
i have never seen such an obnoxious faggot before
signed it

>>508787929
>bud
Eww go back to discord and rope yourself freak.

>>508787362
This >>508787928 goes doubly for you, kike.

>Jews create tools and governing bodies they rush behind and use against you
>All these obvious jews seething at goy using their own toys against them
Sign the petition to kill the jew with their own tools

I noticed that the jew with the Aus flag is refusing to address self hosted servers.

>>508787853
>it was just sabotaged, it wasn't because the guy behind it self sabotaged by not limiting the scope to reasonable requests

>>508788075
>the most popular one has a whole 600 players
>the rest are lucky to have tens
Thanks for providing proof no one gives a shit about them.

>>508781379
>German flag
>Hates someone for looking like a generic German
Interesting

>>508788100
yeah, it's basically historical revisionism. self-hosted servers used to be standard practice.
acting like that's some kind of insurmountable task is laughable.

>>508788302
His only arguments are
>you can't make them do more work, that's mean, we need our cake and to eat it too and to make money off of you without providing the product
and also
>yeah well nobody gives a shit about those games
tl;dr jew gonna jew

>>508781894
This petition has been stuck at its current number for years. As you said, the EU only has to look at it and say fuck off.

>>508787981
>last forever
And I never said that it should last forever and ever. But having the usability of a online product tied to a company's continued investment in servers is fucking retarded from the perspective of consumer. All I want is to be able to host a basic server on my own hardware so I can continue playing with friends. Literally every game in the early 2000's accomplished this. Why should it be any different now?

>>508781244 (OP)
This is interesting but its more of a /v/ thread, not /pol/.
Thor is correct though. If a company decides its no longer viable to run the servers of a multiplayer game and said game is, for example, an MMO theres not much they can do about it to safeguard the consumer. The only 2 things that occur to me is stop selling subs/copies for a period of time before the shutdown or commit themselves to a pre-determined minimum period of activity which upon breach would result in reimbursement.
Excluding this, the only thing left is the ban of DRM on single player products which is exactly what Thor is talking about.

>>508788461
>Literally every game in the early 2000's accomplished this
Literally every game in the early 2000s can be run on low end thinkpad hardware.

>>508786760
The root problem is that Europe was accepting of the mass migrations in the first place. They come because they're allowed to.
Wars have been happening for thousands of years; that's not the change.

>>508788236
>shifts goalposts
>doesn't know that MS recently remastered and expanded the game for the audience of tens of thousands
Do you enjoy having the psychological equivalent of a prolapsed anus?

>>508788397
>This petition has been stuck at its current number for years
anon, why are you talking out of your ass? the initiative runs for one year, there's one month left.

>Every single game company has internal servers for testing purposes
>"Nooooo what you're asking for is impossible"
Lol

>>508787945
you can't afford making a game that flops
if you are public, you'll get buttfucked by the investors and closed.
if you are private, isn't it better to ETF your cash at this point instead of making games that lose money?

>>508788601
>shifts goalposts
I've talked about how no one cares about these games that are shutting down a few times ITT, I'm not shifting shit.

>>508783232
You can still play Everquest officially. They will milk that game until nostalgia itself dies.

>>508788716
That's not what goalpost shifting means jew. I like how you stopped responding to me by the way. You know you lost.

>>508781244 (OP)
Private server bvlls are winning again?

desu it's time to take copyright away as a whole. also it's wrong and dumb to say MMOs should be exempt. no exemptions, I've purchased a license in perpetuity. service my shit, allow me to service it myself or don't fucking make it they way you've decided is now okay because your shareholders said it's fine.

>>508788716
>no one cares
>that's why MS remastered and started supporting the game again

>>508788550
>thinkpad hardware
And? We've literally skyrocketed to 90's-sci-fi -ier computing power, and yet somehow releasing video game server software alongside a online-focused product has become a technical impossibility? Why is being able to host servers bad, Bruce?

>>508781379
>muh looks
not just a jew but a tranny too!?

>>508788941
They sold you a new game.
Yeah no one cares, if they cared they would have more than a handful of players. If they cared the servers wouldn't have been shut down to begin with.

>>508788683
Slop loses money. Overinflated budgets lose money.
This is why the indie/small budget scene is flourishing. Coming up with weird things that don't take a whole lot of money to produce and able to crank them out in a year or so.
It's not even shovelware.

Meanwhile your big studios forgot that they can make small games.
The big AAA title is supposed to be the big shining gemstone of your catalogue to warrant all the time and money.
Instead it's basically on the level of shovelware slop. Derivative of other things and lacking innovation in any capacity.
Shit dude even the control schemes are all the same in that AAA space.

>>508789193
Your entire argument so far has been "no one cares". Well guess what, you upside-down
-fruitcake, I CARE! All you need for a good Titanfall 1 match is 12 people. Why deny those 12 people the server software needed to continue playing their vidya in peace? It doesn't cost the company anything.

>>508789643
>Why deny those 12 people
Because you 12 people aren't worth the effort it takes.

>>508786640
>Terrible idea.
If you're a (((shareholder))) or (((developer))).
>If this passes, it will eliminate a whole genre of online multiplayer games that can only work with a back end service.
If they choose not to. Yeah. Which shouldn't be a problem if games from 15-20 years ago can do it.
>Just stop giving your money to shitty companies.
Yeah because that worked well for Horse armor in oblivion, lootboxes in CS:GO/TF2 and Xbox Live you fucking retard.

>>508789689
>click ctrl+c
>click ctrl+v
>"hey people, we're shutting down servers and pulling the game off the shelves, but you can run your own servers with the software we've just released in a farewell update!"
was that so hard?

>>508789855
>it's just copying and pasting bro

>>508781244 (OP)
The pirate software guy is a complete fucking faggot. He’s also almost FORTY and looks like that

>>508789689
You purchase software with an expectation that it will function as advertised on the platform it was made to function on.
If a critical piece of that software's function is destroyed by the company itself I'm pretty sure that may be grounds for some sort of civil lawsuit.

I'm pretty sure that they would have to put a definitive end date in the license agreement if they were going to do that.
In enterprise level software they have support lifetimes that are known in advance because of you had a problem and that company just said "oh well we just decided it wasn't doing enough for us so we decided to stop supporting it" arbitrarily that company would get sued.

Video game companies are software companies but they've been able to dock around for so long because of the attitude that they're just toy products.
But it's that attitude that may make them the stepping stone to smacking up all these other software companies.

>>508789855
>>508789934
It pretty much is. The servee softwarw is already made. It already exists and is in use because that's how you play the fucking game. All they have to do is release it with the game and leave it to the user to configure.

>>508789934
>spend a few hours at most slapping together documentation of server software just for the sake of goodwill
Yeah? How hard is it to just... publish the server software? You don't even need to modify it to be normie friendly, just dump the software onto Github. Am I wrong?

>>508783039
DOTA is a wc3 mod, dummy

>>508781244 (OP)
FUCKING BASED, EURO CHADS KEEP DELIVERING

>>508781379
I havent even seen you, and i know you are ugly. Think about that a little bit.
>>508781244 (OP)
Everyone should sign this ASAP.

>>508781444
games that no sane person would ever play

>>508781427
shut up jew

>>508789637
how many Ass Creeds ubijew printed out before folding? slop losing money is a recent thing.
you want your game as low entry as possible, because casuals are the safest, most profitable and least discerning public. hence the shovelware meta. hundreds of mechanics each as deep as a puddle with no cohesion between them.
btw mainstream indie scene is the same slop at lower scale, as in they copy a successful competitor with different assets (hello AI) and maybe add a gimmick mechanic or two. bottom line is a good game is a gem, indie or not

>>508781888
yes I see that you are too narrow to actually see the problem here. But anyway the German Mohamed anon already perfectly explained it to you. Now let's see if it fits on that bobbling kangaroo head of yours

>>508790143
>You purchase software with an expectation that it will function as advertised on the platform it was made to function on.
And it did until long after the date (or shortly after in Concords case lmao, but they gave out full refunds). Platforms don't normally allow you to buy a product that's going to be shut down imminently.
Enterprise software is somewhat different because it's expected that someones business will rely on that software. A game is an entertainment product and a game that's shut down is likely a bad or very old entertainment product. Keep in mind that movies/tv shows are constantly altered/removed from platforms (not that that's a good thing mind you).

>>508781773
Using the libertarian argument like that does not hold.

True libertarian would be the abolishment of copyright so I can start a reverse engineering effort completely out in the open using whatever means I choose with whomever I choose, without any risk of DMCA action (regulation) being taken against me. Since this is not the case I think providing the means to run the software I paid for is (honestly less than) fair exchange for a continued distribution monopoly enforced by the government. Why should they get it both ways? They want to remove access to something I paid for, and then on top of that use copyright law to remove my ability to do anything about it. The way I see it this is just regulation that counters the effects of other regulation in my favor. If we want to reduce regulation then the first target should be how completely overpowered copyright is, not this movent. If the copyright is due to expire when these games get shutdown anyway, and someone can just release the server files since they are no-longer protected by copyright, then the whole problem is a moot point.

>>508790389
Yeah, I didn't realize LoL was ripped from WC3 too.

>>508790613
idk what qualifies as "mainstream indie" but i only play indies and theyre great. metroid and re1 clones id imagine are "mainstream indie" and the good clones are really good for what they set out to do

>>508782627
Wildstar.

City of heroes and city of villains. (i know I can pirate it, but it doesn't feel the same with cheat items avaliable)
Warhammer online.
Law breakers, just for fun.
Section 8.
Shattered horizon, Also I'd like to try that other spiritual successor thing that got shut down before I even heard it got released.

>>508781379
>YOU NEED TO LOOK GOOD OR ELSE YOUR OPINIONS AREN'T VALIDATED!!
We found a Hasan fanbitch here.

>>508790338
>Am I wrong?
Yeah, companies don't tend to like giving out source code even if it's under a restrictive license.

>>508791015
>source code
Who the fuck said anything about source code? We were talking about server software.

>>508781244 (OP)
Games are full of niggers. Disgusting.

>>508791015
Server software isn't source code bruh.

>>508786708
That's not what "extra work" means.

>>508791100
>Who the fuck said anything about source code?
>>508790338
>just dump the software onto Github

>>508790968
>
Thank you for admitting you are gay and attracted to Hasan, but the point still stands

>>508781379
Its him! It's Freeman's Mind

>>508791015
just the ability to host a server man, or run a local copy without linking some server
doesnt have to be good, just have the ability, people will figure out the rest

>>508783993
Cuck tier post. Kill yourself.

>>508781379
Dorks and nerds who had the "I love heavy metal look" were in charge of the best videogames.
Meanwhile you're taking the side of the fag that looks like he must comsoom the latest capeshit movies, uses a voice changer because he sounds like a fag, uses celebrity status to brigade people in MMOs (and fail). Creates furry porn. And defends AAA game studios.
Not the own you think it is.

>>508789934
Yes, it is. Are you digitally illiterate? Companies that make online games obviously have the server code and can simply share it, like companies used to do 2 decades ago

>>508783447
>play on homecoming
that's the normie server anon

>>508781244 (OP)
i mean, i own what i torrent?

>>508791175
>NOOO just because we shut down our servers doesn't mean you can have the source code to host your own REEEEEEEE

>>508791466
Nigger people can't even make a repo without dependency build errors up the ass, why are you under the impression that anything is just copying and pasting?

>>508781678
So the government should fund failing companys so their games stay online?

>>508791015
Server software, which used to be a standard to online games, is not source code. 20 years ago games came with the possibility of hosting your own server.
How old are you? You cant be any older than 23

>>508791559
>skill issue is why companies should hoard game server code and make products users paid for unavailabe
Retard.

>>508791622
The jew is deliberately ignoring questions about self hosting servers. I think he has me hidden.

>>508790887
I mean the kind of mainstream stuff that gets featured at Gayming Shoah, like Balatro was genuinely mid to get every indie nomination in existence, while Noita (finnish btw) was never even seen there.

>>508781244 (OP)
ok so i think i got it
correct me if i'm wrong
the three asmongolds on the left are upset at the one on the right because he has no beard wears glasses and is a pussy ?

>>508781461
yeah and you have to buy DLCs for bug fixes lmao, like here, only 772

>>508791559
>why are you under the impression that anything is just copying and pasting?
Because the companies that develop the games already have all the necessary data that anons are asking for and you keep saying requires extra work. All they have to do is to literally select the server hosting files, copy them, and then paste them somewhere the users can download.

>>508781379
Amalgamation of every /pol/tard lol

>>508791288
Look I have nothing against people figuring it out or a dev handing it out, my issue is with people thinking devs MUST do this as if they didn't know they were buying an online only game that'll die the moment the servers are shut down.

I would just make the multiplayer portion of the game a free DLC.
This simple trick means you can't cry when I eventually shut down multiplayer servers.

>>508791878
He is wayyyy too light skinned for that

>>508781678
>the right
rights are guaranteed by laws, for example in the US our rights are derived from the constitution. What guarantees your right to play wildstar?

>>508791622
Yeah and 20 years ago they had dial-up. Technology changes. It advances in some ways, degrades in others, but it changes nonetheless.

>>508791754
Is he a shill or just really really young?
I remember every game based on the quake engine came with a dedicated server hosting executable or even had the functionality in the in-game menus. Same is true for any RTS i played as a teen

>>508786043
>I demand perpetual access to your terrible product
kek

>>508791985
>Is he a shill or just really really young
He's a shill. 43 posts by this ID. His posts all consist of
>No you can't make them do more work that's mean you bought an online only game deal with it
and
>nobody cares about those games

>>508791880
I think this is a continuation of a trend I’ve noticed where (at least AAA) devs are desperately trying to REMOVE customization from their games. The most obvious example is sports games. The amount of customization has cratered in recent years because “eugghhh it needs to be a r3AL1sTiC s1MuL4ToR.”

Why do devs give a shit if I want a created prospect who is a 53 at right guards but a 98 quarterback? Why do they care if I want first pick in my fantasy drafts? It’s just so arrogant, no no no you’re playing my game wrongggg reeeeeee

IMO - if it pisses off that FAG Pirate Software, then it should be done.
-
Germanons, Baguettes, Slavs, Shitalians, Swedes, Nordcucks, and even you faggots from Spain.

Just fucking sign it, it doesn't take much time.

>>508791868
>All they have to do is to literally select the server hosting files, copy them, and then paste them somewhere the users can download.
And change/enable configurations.
And make sure they aren't using any licenses themselves.
And make sure it's hosted on a platform that'll stay up because god knows you fags will bitch if that goes down too.
And put effort in so 10 or so people to play a dead game.

>>508792062
Oh and I guess his new argument is
>technology changes
because apparently my computer today is radically different than my computer from yesterday.

>>508791980
So you believe we should let all technology degrade because it "changes"?
You keep saying it "cant be done" and that "its impossible" or that it is "extra work". The technology already exists, the only difference is that companies got greedier. You'd know this, since there is a very high chance you work for one. No one in their right mind would bootlick and cocksuck modern companies as hard as you're doing with your 43 pro-corporatism posts. You're either a schizo or a paid shill

>>508781244 (OP)
S A E J

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F E E L S

>>508792227
Plus people don't realize how many modules are often running on the back ends of these games. It's not as simple as just copying files. Even running old private wow servers takes a lot of work and constant database maintenance.

>>508792346
imagine being passionate about "preserving" this "technology"...fucking loser lol

>>508792227
>>508792420
Doesn't matter, some autist will do it because he has autism.

>>508792227
>And change/enable configurations.
Not really, you do know companies use internal servers to test the game, right?
>And make sure they aren't using any licenses themselves
What the fuck are you talking about?
>And make sure it's hosted on a platform that'll stay up because god knows you fags will bitch if that goes down too.
Are you stupid? What do game companies have to do with what people do on their own computer? Why the fuck would they care how users are hosting their servers?
>And put effort in so 10 or so people to play a dead game.
There is no effort required for any of this, and it clearly isn't "10 or so people" as you keep facetiously claiming, some games may have a small cult following, others are in the millions.

>>508792097
A few reasons
>easy customization means you won't buy MTX as as readily
>if it's online then maybe it creates an unfair advantage
>if it's part of a series then maybe it prevents you from moving onto the next installment
At the end of the day, money.
Limiting it for single player is gay though. Let people cheat/fuck around all they like vs AI who gives a fuck.

I just think it's funny that the shills have not been able to put up a single good argument.

>>508791564
No, companies should just not be allowed to prevent people from hosting new servers for games that are dead and no longer supported.

>>508792420
So why not let users do all that work by themselves? Whats the excuse now?

>>508792492
Shouldn't you be worried about your cousins in tel aviv?

>>508784792
Oh no 1 day to patch in an offline mode

>>508791175
Ok, don't put it on Github and just bundle basic server software with the video game.

Do you even play video games? I genuinely don't understand why you wouldn't support this practice.

>>508786899
I miss tera..
>>508792227
>44 posts by this jew
Damn thats crazy guess what jew
4chan.org##.post:has-text(/ymeShgbz/i)

Y O U G O N E LOOOOL

>>508792682
I mean, if they had any good arguments, they wouldnt have to be paid to post here and promote soulless corporatism

>>508792926
>I genuinely don't understand why you wouldn't support this practice
He's possibly a game company employee, there's no reason why anyone else would oppose this

>>508792756
I can't even imagine this is much of a thing. The games died for a reason. This barely affects anyone in reality.

>>508792837
Then you have to decide when intellectual property ceases to become intellectual property.

>>508792420
The game Palworld comes with the server files at it is just as easy as it was in the 2000's. It's a UE5 game like most things these days too, so this should debunk claims new engines are way too complex for this. No excuse if the game in question is also UE5.
The complexity is way overblown. No one is asking for all of the load balanced infrastructure to sustain 1,000,000 concurrent players, we just want a server executable that can be run on a PC or VPS and allow for a few bros to join.

>>508793005
People here sue corps all the time, you think this is an EU only thing?

>>508787170
Xie xie ni

>>508793060
So give money to the companies that do this. Government mandates on businesses always just end up hurting the smaller ones.

>>508792346
>So you believe we should let all technology degrade because it "changes"?
No, I think defending dead games are a stupid stand to take.
>You keep saying it "cant be done" and that "its impossible" or that it is "extra work"
I've only said one of those, don't put words in my mouth.
>No one in their right mind would bootlick and cocksuck modern companies as hard as you're doing with your 43 pro-corporatism posts.
You read my posts that way because you have the temperament of a child. I've been clear since the start that I'm perfectly fine with expecting single player games to be playable after the game dies, I draw the line at multiplayer games because you know what you bought so expecting extra work for a dozen peoples enjoyment is petty.

>>508793019
You're an idiot. I can buy a book, read it as many times as I want and pass it down through my family for the next 400 years. It doesn't mean I own the publishing rights.

>>508781379
thank you video game jesus

>>508781244 (OP)
>purchasing in-game content
Retards
>digital goods
Retards
This will just end up bloating your system.
Not only will you have to store the content you'll also have to store the cryptkeys.
Their severs will become only purchase verification.
Retards.

>>508792617
>Not really, you do know companies use internal servers to test the game, right?
I'm not sure why you think that's an own.
>What the fuck are you talking about?
lmao
>Are you stupid? What do game companies have to do with what people do on their own computer? Why the fuck would they care how users are hosting their servers?
I was clearly referring to the platform hosting the server files.
If you believe that you have a right to those files then you're going to bitch and moan if the file host goes down too.
>There is no effort required for any of this, and it clearly isn't "10 or so people"
Yes there is, and yes there is as someone else proved by linking to a website with a whole 600 people playing AE2 and <20 playing a bunch of others.
>others are in the millions.
lmao

>>508793260
You're the fucking idiot here. You want to force all companies to give away the IP they created. For free. Fuck canada, you deserve all the street shitters you get.

>>508793005
can't even be parts guy with tesla lmao

>>508792926
>Do you even play video games?
Yes.
>I genuinely don't understand why you wouldn't support this practice.
Because it's fucking retarded to expect multiplayer games to live after the game shuts down.

>>508783347
ur not funny and your retarded friend needs a new mic

>>508781379
I'm a normal functioning attractive human, I don't have time to be a paragon for video game culture and ownership. For this reason, I appreciate all mutant neckbeards willing to devote their miserable existence to something that benefits me. kys own nothing rentalkike

>>508781444
Checked and for example Elder Scrolls Legends. It's F2P, but I bought their story expansions for example.

>>508788733
its not nostalgia, its just fun

>>508793453
No you're the fucking idiot because you don't understand that owning a copy of something doesn't mean you own the IP! Buying a book doesn't give you any rights to publish it. Buying an album doesn't give you any rights to start producing them. You can keep and enjoy them for the rest of your life and pass them down to your children. You can do the same with physical games. Just because I give my kid my copy of Mario 64 doesn't mean I own Nintendo's fucking copyright on Mario you retarded jewish fuck.

>>508794022
Digital content is not physical.
You can't require a company to keep your ownership information for eternity.

>>508784812
Basically the gist is that games should have at least a plan for whenever corpos intend to end them
example: lets say someone is so absolutely retarded they spend 69.99 + tip for a game that is totally online.
Corpofag says "it sold ten million instead of ten gazillion so we're going to shut it down".
It gets shut down so those 70 didgeridoos are gone.
What this should bring up is that companies now tell you "hey, we intend to give you a chance for you to play the game even if we drop it, by doing x, y, or z" and they have to abide by it.
Kinda basic explanation but thats the gist.