torture - /pol/ (#508782023) [Archived: 760 hours ago]

Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:09:49 AM No.508782023
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>Killing your nation'sa enemies is le good but torturing your nation's enemies is ... le bad!

Who the fuck came up with this shit lol? Why are liberals so retarded?
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:11:20 AM No.508782024
>>508782023 (OP)
There is dignity in death, not so much in being tortured
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:17:35 AM No.508782025
>>508782023 (OP)
Don't be dumb. If you torture your opponents you end up with endless rebellions and everyone against you hell bent on your annihliation.
See Assyria for what happens.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:20:18 AM No.508782026
>>508782024
>what about muh dignity for the poor terrorists and enemy assassins working to kill our countrymen? we should kill him but I can't bear to see him be hurt!

seriously?
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:24:33 AM No.508782027
>>508782026
>>508782023 (OP)
Killing your enemy is the utilitarian solution. You simply want your enemy removed as they act as an adversary or roadblock towards your goals

Torturing your enemy is the irrational and emotionally charged solution, since you're wasting more time and energy torturing your enemy instead of simply killing them all because you don't want them out of your way, you simply want them to suffer, which makes you just as big of a psychopath. War is all about optics, keeping prisoners of war to torture them is not good optics, its how you lose support for your cause.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:24:50 AM No.508782028
>>508782025
>torturing individual enemies in secret is the same as skinning people in public and tieing their skins around the city walls

expert analysis
every global power commits torture and many lesser powers. The USA, the USSR, Israel, Pakistan, China, India, every arab regime. The world isn't uniting to destroy any of them. No one cares.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:27:09 AM No.508782029
>>508782023 (OP)
Torturing your enemies outside of interrogation is indicative of psychopathy, sadism or mental instability.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:36:26 AM No.508782030
>>508782027
killing your nations enemies isn't utilitarian. Killing your nation's enemies isn't done to increase the pleasure of living beings, or even humanity. Killing your nations enemies is done to benefit your nation and keep your people safe, even if your nation's enemies belong to a more populous nation , and even if killing your nation's enemies results in more human beings dying than if you just surrendered.

So what we're talking about has nothing to do with utilitarianism.

The reason to commit torture is exactly the same as the reason to kill your nation's enemies : because it will benefit your nation and keep your people safe.
For example if you capture a senior terrorist with his laptop and he refuses to give you the password, so you torture him, or maybe you threaten to torture his wife and he gives you the password, you can verify whether the password is true or not and now you're able to capture or kill the other terrorists much quicker before they can do other attacks that will kill yoour countrymen.

So you've already admitted that it's ok to kill people in order to keep your people safe, so how the fuck is it le bad to hurt people in order to keep your people safe?
Don't you see how retarded that is?

>War is all about optics,
same potential concerns go with killing enemies. besides you can just torture people in secret , or you can just use propaganda on your populace to make them more accepting of torture since the current modern aversion to torture is just manufactured , irrational sentimentalism anyway.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:38:22 AM No.508782031
>>508782023 (OP)
You wouldn't get it Mustafa.
It's why you're not part of the EU.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:38:48 AM No.508782032
>>508782029
not necessarily. most normal people would want to torture someone who killed their daughter for example if they had the opportunity.
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:41:01 AM No.508782033
>>508782031
typical libcuck can't actually justify his retarded libcuck dogma.

BTW I'm indigenous European but have realised how retarded and unsustainable most of liberalism is.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:48:28 AM No.508782034
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>Noooo you can't torture a terrorist by slowly crushing his testicles in order to get his password because... you just can't, okay?!!
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:48:29 AM No.508782035
>>508782033
Good guys don't torture, it's not that hard to understand.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:49:00 AM No.508782036
>>508782023 (OP)
Retarded edgy faggot or bait
>liberals
Amerimutt cuck who doesnt know the defenition of the word
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:50:33 AM No.508782037
>>508782035
killing enemies is ok but hurting enemies is ... le bad!

lol still no argument, just restating a blatantly hypocritical, contradictory position.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:51:29 AM No.508782038
>>508782026
>>508782023 (OP)
>Torturing and Raping OP is le bad
Who the fuck came with this shit ?
Why is OP such a cocksucking faggot ?
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:52:09 AM No.508782039
>>508782036
once again retarded libcucks prove themselves unable to do anything but express impotent outrage that their hypocritical and retarded liberal dogma is getting refuted.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:52:49 AM No.508782040
>>508782037
>>508782034
>>508782033
You are a emotional like a woman and not pragmatic
And torture is useless btw
A situation in combat in not the same as torturing someone, waste of time and sign of being an estrogenic faggot like OP
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:54:28 AM No.508782041
>>508782023 (OP)
You are brown therefore an enemy of the West. I'm going to skin you alive.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:54:54 AM No.508782042
>>508782039
You literally dont know anything about the word liberal you retarded low t amerimutt cuck
And again, if you dont understand why torture is bad, there is nothing wrong with me coming to your house and raping and torturing you
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:55:58 AM No.508782043
>>508782037
Killing is necessary
Hurting isnt and a waste of time
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:57:32 AM No.508782044
>>508782038
If I was your nation's enemy and you had reason to believe that there was valuable information on my phone that would help protect the lives of your people then yes it would be good for you to torture me to get my phone password. For the exact same reason that it would be good for you to kill me if you thought I was going to commit a terrorist attack against your people and you lacked the opportunity to capture me, because killing me would help protect the lives of your people.

And similarly, if you were my nation's enemy then it would be good for me to torture you in the same circumstance .

Do you understand, you fucking retard?
If it's to protect your people then anything is justified. That's the point of war you naive , spastic child.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:57:56 AM No.508782045
>>508782034
>NOOO YOU CANT TORTURE AND RAPE ME TO DEATH, I WAS JUST THE GAY OP ADVOCATING FOR TORTU-ACK !!!!
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 3:59:34 AM No.508782046
>>508782040
>And torture is useless btw

two of the posts you reply to give very obvious situations where torture is extremely useful to protecting the lives of your countrymen and you just pretend not to see them because they refute your retarded , delusional libcuck worldview lol
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:00:01 AM No.508782047
>>508782044
Torturing for information is literally useless, most of the time, its retarded faggots like who do this just for revenge
If i have an ennemy, i would just kill him then go for the next
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:03:02 AM No.508782048
>>508782046
>muh libcucks
First of all, you are an american tranny cuck who doesnt know the defenition of liberal you fucking faggot and second, no because even for Intel its useless
Thats a fantasy/movie trope you faggot, most of the time the guy will say anything for the torture to stop
So hang yourself you retarded tranny, the fact that you post you edgy cuck drawing prove my point
You just want it just for the sake of wanting to do it
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:03:18 AM No.508782049
>>508782042
see>>508782044

>>508782043
see>>508782034
or >>508782030

>>508782041
see >>508782033 It is infact you who is the one who has become a useful idiot of the enemies of the west by swallowing counterproductive, false dogma of an ideology that is leading to the West's destruction, namely liberalism. But i'm willing to help you so you see the light and stop blindly defending an ideology that is leading to our people's destruction.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:05:41 AM No.508782050
>>508782049
>critizice liberalism but doesnt know what liberalism is
Retarded tranny
Liberalism doesnt mean modern woke/left
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:06:12 AM No.508782051
>>508782049
>I'm an (((indigenous european)))
You're Jewish or Brown, in any case you deserve to be tortured to death.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:07:14 AM No.508782052
>>508782047
>Torturing for information is literally useless
see >>508782030
and demonstrate why it's useless you braindead fucking libtard zombie.

I bet you're going to say " because if you torture people , they'll just tell you whatever you want to hear so the information is useless!"

Without even using your brain for a moment and realising it doesn't fucking matter when all you need from them is a password to their devices and you can verify if the password is correct or not, and then when you have the password to their devices you can get all their contacts, communications, etc.

So are you going to admit "oh yeah, i guess torturing someone for information that you can easily check the veracity of, like a password, is useful" ?
or are you going to continue to be an unthinking lib-zombie spastic?
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:09:38 AM No.508782053
>>508782048
see>>508782052

you libcucks and your retarded NPC liberal dogma are so fucking predictable
It's just laughable how easy it is to refute and you still believe in this obviously wrong garbage
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:11:07 AM No.508782054
>>508782052
>you are le libtard
Retarded faggot, you are an homosexual womanlike estrogenic faggot
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:11:24 AM No.508782055
>>508782052
>see (insert fantasy scenario)
so do you actually have an actual example
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:18:02 AM No.508782056
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>>508782051
I am a white gentile. Your support for libcuckism makes you either brown or a useful idiot good goy golem.

>in any case you deserve to be tortured to death.
>it's good for enemies to be tortured
Good , you're getting there and starting to agree that I'm right, though maybe that's accidental because you're too retarded to think about the meaning of the words you're saying.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:22:53 AM No.508782057
>>508782055
>terrorists having phones or laptops with passwords is fantasy

LOL so you're implicitly admitting that torturing a terrorist to get his passwords to his devices actually would be useful but you're too pathetic to admit it so instead you're denying that terrorists ever have devices with passwords

Hahaha
But come on dude , you're anonymous, you don't need to worry about defending your reputation or your ego or that kind of thing
How about admitting the obvious, rational , sensible , obvious thing?
it can't feel good having to be on the side attempting to defend that 1 + 1 = 3
Come on , this an opportunity for you to actually become smarter and get closer to the truth.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:26:13 AM No.508782058
>>508782057
so you can't actually produce a real example of torture being effective
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:26:38 AM No.508782059
Is this the best that the anti-torture libcucks have to offer? really?
I'm going to give you libzombies a chance to pull yourselves together for a few hours and try to come up with a remotely convincing argument against >>508782030
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 4:49:54 AM No.508782060
Good guys don't torture, they believe in human rights.
>libcucks
Grow up
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 5:35:25 AM No.508782061
>>508782056
cuck eyes faggot lmao
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 6:33:19 AM No.508782062
>>508782049
>liberalism le bad because some jobless neo Nazi faggot said so on his blog
That's nice Timmy. See you next month when you come for your disability check.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 12:01:12 PM No.508782063
>>508782060
So according to your "logic" , hurting your nation's enemies is not befitting of good guys and against human rights, but killing your nation's enemies is befitting of good guys and doesn't go against human rights?

Is this nonsensical, blatantly hypocritical, mutually contradictory retardation the best justification to be anti-torture that libzombie-cucks can come up with?

How can you say that it's wrong to hurt your nation's enemies (aka torture) while saying that it's ok to kill your nation's enemies when killing someone is worse than hurting them?
You can't. If protecting the lives of your countrymen makes even killing someone justified then protecting the lives of your countrymen must also make merely hurting someone justified.
Otherwise it's like saying "It's ok to break someone's leg in order to do x but it's not ok to slap someone in the face in order to do x". totally arbitrary, hypocritical, contradictory nonsense.

>>508782061
>>508782062
>you aren't white you're brown! lol!!!
>ok you aren't brown, you're white! lol at you!!!
lol when one impotent , irrelevant attack to avoid the argument fails they make the opposite impotent, irrelevant attack

Either way none of them can provide a rational justification to be anti-torture.
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 9:32:42 PM No.508782064
I gave them a day to come up with something but looks like none of the irrational liberal dogma-swallowers on this board can refute >>508782030 and give a rational justification for why torturing your nation's enemies is bad .
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 9:41:59 PM No.508782065
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>>508782023 (OP)
>>508782034
>>508782035
>>508782041
militaries around the world that all use torture from time to time all admit and tell their guys that "advanced interrogation tactics" are only useful for confirming information you already know
its one of the first things you learn about torture
yet you fags on both sides of the argument can only get caught up in your own emotions of
>ya fuckin torture rocks!
vs
>noo le totrue is bad!
to even begin to evaluate or the understand the nature of phycological warfare and tactics
morons, i'm surrounded by fucking morons
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 9:49:18 PM No.508782066
If you allow your grunts to torture enemies, they will start doing it for fun
And then the enemy will start doing it for revenge
And then everyone will have an even more miserable time than before
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 9:54:01 PM No.508782067
>>508782023 (OP)
I volunteer OP for front line combat in a war where we routinely torture POWs. He will certainly not be captured himself and suffer a grisly fate - but if he does, one cannot even deny he deserved it.
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 10:35:36 PM No.508782068
>>508782028
It depends on the extent. Torture is technically illegal in China and the US. It's illegal and actively prosecuted in most of Europe. Occasional prosecutions even happen in Turkey and Brazil IIRC
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 10:36:50 PM No.508782069
>>508782044
>Torture for info
Proven unreliable
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 10:40:07 PM No.508782070
>>508782065
Wrong dumb ass. instead of just doing brainless appeals to authority try actually using your head and thinking.
see >>508782030
>The reason to commit torture is exactly the same as the reason to kill your nation's enemies : because it will benefit your nation and keep your people safe.
>For example if you capture a senior terrorist with his laptop and he refuses to give you the password, so you torture him, or maybe you threaten to torture his wife and he gives you the password, you can verify whether the password is true or not and now you're able to capture or kill the other terrorists much quicker before they can do other attacks that will kill yoour countrymen.

So actually torture is useful any time you can check the previously-unknown information in a way that is not very costly

If it's costly to check the information e.g. if the terrorist being tortured says that the base is in x location but he was lying and you go and send your agents to seize the base but then your cover is blown or the place was a trap then torture is not useful.
But otherwise torture is very useful.

Torture can even be useful even if it is costly to check the information if you know that that the terrorist knows the answer to the question you are asking him and you know that you have something the terrorist cares more about than the question you're asking.
For example let's say you capture osama bin laden's right hand man and his family. you ask the right hand man how he would send a particular message to osama bin laden and you let him know that if message is not sent successfully or osama bin laden suspects anything then you will torture and kill his kids, , but if he cooperates and the mission is successful then you'll release his family unharmed.

militaries and liberal ethicists have a vested interest in not acknowledging this publicly but it's logically obvious and when the chips are down and the stakes are high, organisations will do it.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 10:46:26 PM No.508782071
>>508782069
did you even read the post you replied to?
How can torturing for info be unreliable when you can check the information at no cost in a second?
You ask the terrorist for his password to his phone or device or login credentials or his seed phrase. if he tells you, you check the pass word, if the password works , success. if the pass word does not work then you torture him or you torture his wife or child until he he gives you a new pass word and you repeat the process.

even if he gives you unreliable info to begin with, you can just check the veracity of the info at no time or cost and if the info was wrong then you haven't lost anything then you keep torturing .

Your objection that torture info is unreliable only matters if you're asking him a question that it would be costly to check the answer to or if you're asking him a question that you don't know whether he knows the answer.

come on guys why are you such brainlets? just think about it for a second. it's not rocket science. a child could understand this.
this is like learned liberal retardation.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 10:49:01 PM No.508782072
>>508782071
You do realize you could just hack a phone, right? You're just looking for an excuse to torture.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 11:02:56 PM No.508782073
It's extremely simple. Would you want to be tortured yourself? Obviously not.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 11:11:44 PM No.508782074
>>508782070
>wrong
so like do you have an actual example of it working
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 11:36:30 PM No.508782075
>>508782070
>>508782071
you are a fucking idiot who would never be allowed anywhere near an interrogation
nice digits though, you reddit spacing pseud
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 11:43:02 PM No.508782076
>>508782072
so you're admitting that if you couldn't hack a phone then the argument that "torture is useless because the information is unreliable" fails , and thus the "torture is useless because information unreliable" argument fails any time it is cheap to check the information

Btw it's false that you can always hack a phone/laptop .
Some phones have backdoors programmed in especially for the NSA that give them access, but others don't , like the ones manufactured in china. same goes for laptops.
many devices have no backdoor so it will take you forever to try all the different passwords.
plus even if there is a backdoor login for the device itself, you might require other login credentials from the terrorist for example for his email, or other encrypted messaging app or if he has other encrypted files on his computer that you want access to.

yoou call it an excuse to torture but your response implicitly admits that in the kinds of situation I'm outlining where you can easily check the veracity of the information, it would be useful to torture.
Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 11:44:03 PM No.508782077
>>508782073
>it's extremely simple, would you want to be killed youself? obviously not. therefore it's wrong for nations to kill their enemies and neutralise threats

go to bed kid, adults are talking.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/25/2025, 11:51:28 PM No.508782078
>>508782077
I never said killing your enemies was wrong pal. You argue and debate like a woman.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 12:40:40 AM No.508782079
>>508782078
You were saying that torture is wrong because you wouldn't want to be tortured. By the exact same reasoning, killing people must be wrong because you wouldn't want to be killed. So according to your own reasoning you should never use deadly force used against your enemies because you wouldn't want deadly force used against you.

You argue and debate like someone with an IQ of 80 who can't even follow the argument that they're making.

If you're saying that killing your enemies isn't wrong, presumably because you admit that protecting the lives of your people is more important, then that directly goes against your previous argument that doing x to someone is wrong because you wouldn't want x to happen to you, since you're admitting that doing x (where x = killing) to someone is ok despite the fact you would not want to x to happen to you.

The anti-torture libzombies are even more retarded and even less able to rationally defend their position than yesterday
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 12:41:41 AM No.508782080
>>508782075
not an argument, just upset posturing because you can't refute anything in the posts you're replying to.
another low IQ anti-torture libcuck
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 12:43:03 AM No.508782081
>>508782074
see >>508782057
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 12:43:04 AM No.508782082
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>>508782023 (OP)
Nobody can withstand EFFECTIVE torture for an unlimited duration, which is why it's bad for interrogation. People will eventually say ANYTHING to make it stop, and they will not even have the clarity of mind to lie effectively, which means you'll just have to go right back to it anyways and waste time.

Therefore it's only remaining use is as a punitive measure. However, many people believe that death is preferable to permanent injury or maiment - and criminals who know they will be tortured to death are more likely to murder the witnesses or victims of their crimes, to reduce the possibility of being identified and sent to torture.

Then there's torture for pleasure, which is hot, so go crazy with someone in a CNC kink.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 12:44:11 AM No.508782083
>>508782081
all I'm seeing is you not providing an actual example, like can you name any actual cases of this being useful
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 12:49:34 AM No.508782084
>>508782080
>anything that doesn't agree with me is a liberal
your mind is poisoned
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:25:28 AM No.508782085
>>508782079
>By the exact same reasoning, killing people must be wrong because you wouldn't want to be killed
Where did I say that?
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:26:29 AM No.508782086
>>508782079
Being killed means you return to the Divine. Sounds cool to me
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:29:14 AM No.508782087
Its a waste of time and doesn't accomplish anything
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:42:29 AM No.508782088
>>508782087
wrong >>508782030
>The reason to commit torture is exactly the same as the reason to kill your nation's enemies : because it will benefit your nation and keep your people safe.
>For example if you capture a senior terrorist with his laptop and he refuses to give you the password, so you torture him, or maybe you threaten to torture his wife and he gives you the password, you can verify whether the password is true or not and now you're able to capture or kill the other terrorists much quicker before they can do other attacks that will kill yoour countrymen.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:44:23 AM No.508782089
>>508782085
>>By the exact same reasoning, killing people must be wrong because you wouldn't want to be killed
>Where did I say that?

you said it here >>508782073
>It's extremely simple. Would you want to be tortured yourself? Obviously not.

you're insinuating that the reason torture is wrong is wrong is because you would not want to be tortured yourself
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:47:31 AM No.508782090
>>508782088
>see my made up scenario
okay so how about this
>decide to torture him for le password
>he keeps giving contradictory answer despite how much you torture him
>torture eventually kills him
>now you have nothing
>later learn some random techie could have just cracked it far quicker
>or learn the laptop had nothing of value
>word eventually leaks you brutally torture a guy
>he become a rallying cry for your nations enemies and their numbers swell becoming far more powerful
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:48:06 AM No.508782091
pepe gazes into the distance
pepe gazes into the distance
md5: 44e418745055f9ef46c1d140c71831af๐Ÿ”
I hate the evils of this world and the edgelords who make light of it, but torture does work.

If I were to strap you to a chair, put your computer in front of you and ask you "what's the password", you will give it to me the moment the first needle slides under your fingernail. Even if the lives of your friends are at stake you will do so eventually. When people see torture or even just hear about it, they will pipe down about their opposition to the government, particularly if their family will be subjected to it. Slaves will remember their flogging and won't do anything to repeat it.

When redditors say "torture doesn't work!" or "evil people are le stoopid!" it is a true cope. Certainly there are many stupid people who resort to evil on impulse, but also there is organized evil, someone sets out to achieve the psychological effect and succeeds and builds an entire regime on it that lasts decades. This is why so many reddits are communists even though they used the same tactics as the nazis, because their idea of evil is compartmentalized and sanitized out of fear, they can't even accept the truth in plain nonscary text format. I hate soibois like this almost as much.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 1:49:19 AM No.508782092
>>508782082
see >>508782030 (You)
>The reason to commit torture is exactly the same as the reason to kill your nation's enemies : because it will benefit your nation and keep your people safe.
>For example if you capture a senior terrorist with his laptop and he refuses to give you the password, so you torture him, or maybe you threaten to torture his wife and he gives you the password, you can verify whether the password is true or not and now you're able to capture or kill the other terrorists much quicker before they can do other attacks that will kill yoour countrymen.


So actually torture is useful any time you can check the previously-unknown information in a way that is not very costly

If it's costly to check the information e.g. if the terrorist being tortured says that the base is in x location but he was lying and you go and send your agents to seize the base but then your cover is blown or the place was a trap then torture is not useful.
Or you don't know whether the terrorist has the information you're asking about then it can waste time because you have to torture him for a long time and try several of his made-up answers before you can be reasonably confident that he's not hiding anything and is trying his best to answer the questions to stop the torture but does not know the answer. However you can side step this issue if instead of torturing him you threaten torture someone that you can be confident he cares about more than whatever you're asking him about, for example you can usually be confident that a person you're torturing will tell you whatever they can in order to save their children from being tortured and killed.
But otherwise torture is very useful.
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 2:15:56 AM No.508782093
>>508782090
>>he keeps giving contradictory answer despite how much you torture him
each contradictory answer only wastes a couple of seconds of your time. maybe he's a rare person who will never say the thing that will save him from agony, but the majority will. And even if he doesn't care how much he's tortured, he'll probably care if his family members are threatened with torture and death.

>>torture eventually kills him
will only happen if you're dumb or if he has a pre-existing heart condition. with the resources of a country you can train some people in torture techniques that don't have much risk of death and some doctors who are good to check on the terrorist.

>>later learn some random techie could have just cracked it far quicker
some phones/laptops don't have backdoors built into them by the NSA, for example ones manufactured in china. And if you aren't a spy service or military who has already compromised hardware companies that your terrorist happens to be using then there's no way to get into a device without the password.

>>or learn the laptop had nothing of value
>waah maybe the terrorist's devices won't have useful information
this objection is retarded because you could make the same objection about gathering spy assets in general.
>what's the point of recruiting a secretary who works for the boss of a major tech company of a foreign nation to be a spy asset for us? She might not be able to get access to any valuable information
the point is that there might well be useful information and you can't tell beforehand so the right decision is give it a try to see anyway.

>>he become a rallying cry for your nations enemies and their numbers swell becoming far more powerful
see >>508782028

so all of these objections are either avoidable , unlikely or don't matter
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 2:18:29 AM No.508782094
GigaChad
GigaChad
md5: 85d821753efe47b0dd31ad270c005c68๐Ÿ”
Torture is based as long as OP is the one being tortured
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 2:20:47 AM No.508782095
>>508782093
>each contradictory answer only waste a few seconds
more like potential hours if he decides since he keeps getting tortured might as well be stuborn
>only happens if you are dumb
you are torturing him to begin with so that is already likely
>not everything has a backdoor
doesn't need to since even the most complex shit can be hacked so long as you have the expertise
>its retarded
its not since you entire speel is just to torture him to see if he has anything useful instead of veryifying if it actually was to begin wtih, in other words you are potentially wasting even more time
>well thats not the point
you entire seethe fest was how tortuing somebody is totally useful against you foe but then the moment somebody points out how it can just make them stronger putting your nation in a worst spot suddenly it doesn't matter
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 2:22:59 AM No.508782096
>>508782091
isn't sad that so many people in this thread are so brainwashed by 0 IQ liberal dogma or so intent on lying that none of them can both think of your obvious example and admit it?

look how many retards come into the thread with the "torture is useless and unreliable and a waste of time" thought-terminating cliche

>>508782069
>>508782082
>>508782087
>>508782040
>>508782043
>>508782047
>>508782048
>>508782027
>>508782065
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 2:25:03 AM No.508782097
>>508782096
and yet you have yet to actually show an irl example of it being useful
Zoom Zoom Unknown
6/26/2025, 3:03:21 AM No.508782098
>>508782065
Forgive them father, for they are Americans.
Zoom Zoom Unknown
6/26/2025, 3:14:15 AM No.508782099
sigh
sigh
md5: 9d692ced7b4daa0cf6367b992cd7ed29๐Ÿ”
>>508782023 (OP)
>U.S military humiliated after over a decade of woke nonsense and countless strategic and tactical blunders
>recruitment at all time lows (even young Boomers and oldfag Xers right after the draft ended in 1975 joined up more) dovetailing with the stress and tempo of operations being the highest it has ever been in peacetime, with fatigue, burnout, mental illness, and even suicide being at all time highs among those serving
>nobody is patriotic in the U.S at all because it has no sense of cultural or even political identity outside of being an economic zone and arsenal for the world's elite
>feds and pentagon scratching their heads about what to do given it looks like the U.S sphere of influence is increasingly fragile and they desperately need warm bodies but don't have the balls or socio-political capital to do a draft
>"I know, let's just reuse talking points from 20-50 years ago about how if you join the military you have carte blanche to torture random brown people for fun!"
Brilliant work Eglin and Langley, it's not like Zoomers have the internet and can look back at the 00s and were also raised by people that fell for your shit last time around.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 3:21:13 AM No.508782100
>>508782023 (OP)
In war killing is necessary. Inflicting unnecessary suffering isnโ€™t. This is why torture is wrong
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 3:47:59 AM No.508782101
>>508782100
it isn't unnecessary if you're using torture to get useful information out of the enemy that can be used to prevent the deaths of your countrymen.
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Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 3:50:03 AM No.508782102
>>508782099
all that blathering just to beg the question
>torture random brown people for fun
see >>508782101
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Zoom Zoom Unknown
6/26/2025, 4:03:52 AM No.508782103
>>508782102
Still not signing up, Sergeant Gonzalez.
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 4:11:37 AM No.508782104
>>508782023 (OP)
You must be over 18 years old to post here
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 4:13:07 AM No.508782105
So torture only works in the rare case where you can immediately verify whether or not the information they're giving you is true or false, otherwise they'll just spout nonsense to make the torture stop. How often does that happen and are the people still interned at Gitmo still applicable to said situation?
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 4:18:37 AM No.508782106
>>508782023 (OP)
I genuinely cannot believe that OP is anything but ugly. Ugly people = ugly thoughts
Anonymous Unknown
6/26/2025, 4:34:56 AM No.508782107
liberals still torture their enemies to this day, lil bro
Anonymous ID: o5JpzrPfUnited Kingdom
6/26/2025, 3:09:01 PM No.508783028
dumb cuck mod moved the thread on the humanities discussion about the ethics of torture just because I pointed out that the retardation of being anti-torture is part of the ideology of liberalism.