Thread 508816066

Am I delusional for thinking this will lead to Zimbabwe levels of hyperinflation in America?

>>508816066 (OP)
america has already had zimbabwe levels of hyperinflation

they just did it slowly over 20 years instead of 2 years so you wouldn't think it was as extreme as it has actually been

As long as there is dollar demand internationally, all is well. Foreigners will keep the price up. And demand will be met by newly minted dollars. It's a Ponzi scheme, but it will never be paid back, so kick it down the road, that can.

Economy is fake. Nothing will happen.

>>508816066 (OP)
Just make the number zero and act like nothing happened, who cares the world will go on..

>>508816066 (OP)
Scientifically speaking you aren't wrong. The only reason why it won't happen is because the other currencies that the dollar competes with are even worse.

>>508816066 (OP)
It won't end well because past a certain point of interest payments gobbling up the government budget, monetary policy loses all traction
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/2023/06/02/fiscal-dominance-and-the-return-of-zero-interest-bank-reserve-requirements
>>508816320
Demand for US debt is certainly shrinking
Trade wars also decrease dollar in foreign hands and therefore, demand for US debt
Most US debt isn't sold abroad, though

>>508816066 (OP)
It wont. Unless the dollar is dropped as reserve currency. People freaking out about the debt are poor people because they dont understand we are in late stage capitalism and as the inequity gets worse the poorer they get and the richer the 1% and jews get

>>508816066 (OP)
Yes, because the American dollar worlds reserve currency and deeper than that all fiat money is based on the dollar, to put it in the words of Milton Friedman the US exports its inflation. We print paper and then the world prints paper to buy it. It is oppression in the realest sense, americans essentially benefit from collecting taxes on the entire world.

And the global economic collapse will take the form of runaway dollar deflation not inflation, the dollar is going to get stronger.

>>508816272
Doesnt this mean the dollar is over sold based on the bottom chart and it will start to pull back.

>>508816066 (OP)
yes, there are significant differences between zimbabwe and the US.

I wouldn't say you are delusional, but you should remember to include the money that will evaporate as people default on their debt because of the coming economic hardships in your calculations.

>>508816320
Why would anyone want to buy something that gets printed into oblivion, from a nation that produces nothing but misery? Are you stupid?

>>508816921
I agree, but lots of goods are still settled in dollars, so you need them even if neither party uses dollars. Hedge that shit.

>>508816066 (OP)
But why does it just keep costing more?

>>508816066 (OP)
No, it's still coming.

>>508816790
Not really, its in a really dangerouse zone so it could easily have a little pullback but if the fed cuts rates its gonna plummet (as Trump openly wants)

>>508816662
It’s already at the point where the only reason the bond market hasn’t collapsed is that they are quietly selling off the national gold reserves to keep bond prices up.
The “fun” part of that strategy is that it’s happening because the market is already pricing bonds toward zero, but they’re happy to accept the gold. So as soon as the gold runs out it will be a literal overnight sell off

>>508816733
>late stage capitalism
Just shut the fuck up and don’t say a single thing else

>>508817165
More dollars than the equivalent goods drives the price up. The amount of dollars in circulation increases by more than the amount of goods increase. Result: you need more dollars for the same amount of goods.

>>508816066 (OP)
100%, we just don't know the timeline, many factors can change it

>>508816772
You have no idea why it’s the reserve currency

>>508817420
The magic inflation they insisted for 10 years would never happen

>>508816583
The euro could be a good alternative but ironically only if Europe goes into collective debt (aka Eurobonds) so investors can actually buy that debt.
And this might very well happen if we pick Eurobonds as a way to pay for the new NATO norm.

>>508816066 (OP)
Who do you owe the money to? The money fairy?

>>508816066 (OP)
Inflation in US doesn't work like normal inflation since dollar is a reserve currency. Unlike other currencies, whenever you print dollar, inflation is absorbed by the entire world rather than the nation which issues it. Printing dollar is basically an unlimited money cheat code as long as world prefers to trade its goods in dollars.

>>508817319
>they are quietly selling off the national gold reserves to keep bond prices up
Wait - really? Got sauce on that?
Bond auctions have certainly been lackluster lately
>>508817674
The funding outside of Maastricht norms make them eurobonds by another name anyway - they're pooled debt
Will take a long time before such a market is as deep and liquid as US bonds though

>>508816066 (OP)
My personality is now just buying gold and not telling anyone. I’ll be interesting later.

>>508816066 (OP)
kikes will come up with something. I wouldn't worry about it.

>>508817902
Based im hoarding lighters and when the crash comes i will sell you 5 for your daughter

>>508816066 (OP)
It will laed to niggers hopping into yo crib an stompin yo funkopops faggot

>>508817256
Nice candles but it’s more complicated than that, everyone else is going to go into hyperinflation first and default on their dollar debts. Most dollars are foreign held debt owed to other foreigners. When they all default on their debts the dollar gets deleveraged and deflates, and also anyone with any capital runs for american assets, stock in american companies, etc.

Nobody can tell the future but understand that fiat is all reverse pyramided on top of the dollar, without the dollar there is no fiat. In order to get off the dollar, they would have to stop printing, and so every government in the world would have to shrink. Governments physically cannot shrink themselves they never have they never will it’s not the nature of the beast. All the worlds governments will do whatever it takes to survive in the state they are now, and the only way to do this is to work with America to restore American hegemony, at least the dollar.

Maybe America’s politicians will sell it out and America will be a puppet state, only apparently controlling everything while another state or group really owns it (lmao).

Essentially nothing ever happens nothing changes we will just repeat the cycle, however each cycle will be shorter as the wealth of society is consumed rather than produced until hopefully we learn as a species that government is bad news.

>>508816066 (OP)
>Am I delusional for thinking this will lead to Zimbabwe levels of hyperinflation in America?
No not really...
This is how you know things will get worse, and that no politician or political party will fix it.
Our politicians have moved away from "Fixing this" to handling the fallout, which is why you keep hearing about Communism, CBDC's, UBI. Pods, bug food.

>>508818392
Is this sort of like Brent Johnson's dollar blow off top scenario?
The US consumer economy supplies the world with USD to recycle back into our bonds, so the Gov can "print" and so forth.. but what happens when the consumer economy is broke, at the end game. Doesn't the FED effectively just give "Free" money to other Central banks which is part of the same cartel, and this ultimately breaks the USD.
There are signs that behind the scenes Central banks are acting in unison to PREVENT the final blow off dollar top.

>>508816066 (OP)
We dont owe you anything

>>508817840
Bro you didn’t know that google it. Widely discussed by fed watchers. Yeah the strategic gold reserve is being sold to back bond sales.
This is the lit fuse of economic doom.

>>508818874
>Is this sort of like Brent Johnson's dollar blow off top scenario?
Yes but deeper because he can’t say it’s inevitable if we try to keep the integrity of the fiat system.
>but what happens when the consumer economy is broke, at the end game
That IS the end game, the end result is that all wealth will be consumed, we are burning up all we produce and more.
>Doesn't the FED effectively just give "Free" money to other Central banks which is part of the same cartel, and this ultimately breaks the USD.
Same point, that free money represents consumption somewhere, this is all going to keep going until we collapse, and then it will go again, until we collapse, much sooner because we will not have the same stock of societal wealth to destroy, and again, until, hopefully, everyone just stops touching anything a government calls money with a 10 foot pole and uses a free market currency instead.
>There are signs that behind the scenes Central banks are acting in unison to PREVENT the final blow off dollar top.
idk about unison but the central banks do all act in their own interest and it is beautiful decentralization at work. We may have central banks but we still have separate countries thank god.

>>508816066 (OP)
Hyperinflation begins as an alternative to, 2-10 years at most. If yields go crazy(er) on the long term bond market you know you're fucked. Assets are planned to inflate along with everything else, but whose buying overpriced AI shit when everyone is out of a job? If no customer how does line go up? So crash in real terms rather than nominal may not be avoidable. Devaluation of the dollar as planned means local demand destruction. It's only a boon if you have net exports, which we won't. I've listened to experts argue about the interest rate on both sides for 3 months now. There is no consensus. The government wants to make believe the economy is good while begging for the thing that only happens when the economy is bad. Dollar milkshake theory works two ways if no one wants your money. As far as thermometers of trust look at how many nations are repatriating gold or trying to this year. Look at how Germany got back different bars than the ones they gave. If they don't trust you as a custodian, why would they trust you not to inflate bonds until they are net losses? No one wants to deal with inevitability, but some one will. No one has a compelling reason it's not us, look how far we didn't get with austerity because everything is a sacred cow.

>>508819820
>alternative to default

>>508816066 (OP)
No.
The USA will cheat though, and just refuse to pay the debt, so it will just be inflation and the end of gibs, rather than hyperinflation.

>>508819820
Nobody has a choice but to play the game. The alternative to playing ball with the US is going on a gold standard, none of them are going to go on a gold standard so they will all play ball with the US. The future is US hegemony with china and or israel pulling the strings, that’s the only thing that can change is who the individuals reaping the profits are, no government is going to change.

>>508819820
Look at the NYC election. They’re going to pull the millennial commie trigger in 2028.
Solace is that all the try hard just work at Panda Express faggots will all be fired at that point for being white and without their goy toke a they’ll be a lot less smug about their high value manhood

>>508820295
I don’t know how you are so confident that other countries aren’t going to go on a gold standard or a partial one. Central bank gold buying has been on a tear.

>>508821108
Because gold standard means shrinking the government. It means tying the hands of politicians. It could happen, a snowflake could also survive in hell.. Just as well going on a gold standard would cause all gold to flow into that country so a small player crazy enough to do it would just get invaded.

>>508821397
Also consider, to shrink any government would involve auditing it, exposing it, every crime and theft it ever committed as an organization on the people it portends to rule. How many governments would even survive attempting to shrink?

>>508816921
Absolute brainlet take
The reason the US spends trillions on defense and protects almost every western power is oil. Oil is traded on the USD it is the most important commodity in the world and will continue to be traded on the USD. It does not matter what debt problem the US has so long as the USD remains the world's reserve currency. Any country who disobeys better have their own version of BRICS and not be surprised when their state welfare runs dry

>>508816066 (OP)
>Am I delusional
yes

>>508816066 (OP)
buy gold
and guns and compatible ammunition

>>508816066 (OP)
Debt isn't real.

>>508816066 (OP)
what i want to know is why hasn't that happened already. and what would even have to change to make it happen. its not like people can just stop working for money because its worthless, although that seems to be the issue

>>508816921
because otherwise we will hack you, sabotage your means of production or just bomb/shoot you

that's why

Every single currency in human history has failed and every empire has collapsed.
I'd put my money on the print fest collapsing like every single time before this one.

N

>>508822371
Somehow, America literally can't fail or be stopped. It's fucking annoying honestly.

>>508822741
>while posting on an American made glowie forum
Leaf pottery

>>508822954
Shut up, fat bastard. Your country's time is coming, I just don't know when.

>>508823008
how will that solve you being a shitskin perma virgin?

>>508823125
You will be living on the street long enough to become brown yourself, lower your tone.

>>508823209
you're an impotent browncel and this is the way you always be, you cringey faggot jeet. you'll be made a slave like your subhuman race has always been

actually, why the fuck would anyone want a jeet slave? just throw em on the pyre with the rest of the trash

If you own just 60oz of silver, you will be in the top 1% of silver holders worldwide. You'll never have to worry about hyperinflation Boogeyman again.

It will force a reformation of the US federal government which will result in sky high unemployment and a severe reduction in the assistance that people can get from the federal government. The dollar itself losing value won't be nearly as bad as there simply being less dollars to go around which will make everyone noticeably poorer.

>>508816066 (OP)
>Am I delusional
Yes.

>>508816921
Because if you don't, they just bomb you lol

>>508824898
silver is not even a precious metal you faggot.

the price is completely manipulated like diamonds.

enjoy being a cucked faggot buying worthless shiny metal

>>508824898
That's comforting and very sad at the same time.

>>508816772

You're SO right. I hope you have an imporant US government job and actually can influence US going even more into debt. It will always be able to do so without any consequences and everyone will just play along. That's how it works. If anything, US should go even more into debt by slashing rich people's taxes. Even more so than Trumps Brazilian Buttlift Bill. It can easily get 10-20 more trillion dollars and just export resulting inflation. Freedman was a genius and is responsible for the fantastic inrease in living standards gen X-ers, zoomers and millenials are experiencing compared to generations that lived before him

>>508816066 (OP)
>in America
If the dollar goes, the world goes.
The thing is that no matter how fucked America is, everyone else will be even worse off. As far as who comes out the other side on top, it'll either be America again, or China. Europe will just get fucked.