Thread 508867140

Why are employers/insurance allowed to discriminate against criminals in the US? How the fuck are we supposed to not be criminals if we can't get a job? That's what you white people will never understand

>>508867313
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>>508867140 (OP)
>ever crimed?
>convicted of embezzlements
Hire him.

>>508867313
>>508867457
>>508867461
>people never change
ok retard
Can't wait until you get pulled over for felony speeding and lose everything too

>>508867140 (OP)
>How the fuck are we supposed to not be criminals if we can't get a job? That's what you white people will never understand
There are people who are NOT criminals who cannot get a job too anon. Maybe someone lied to you about there being jobs available. Maybe if there were abundant jobs, employers would still hire former criminals, because that's better than nobody at all.

>>508867677
>actually you aren't allowed to make assumptions about people based on well-established and officially documented patterns of past behavior because sometimes people le change
Ok man sure. Go ahead and hire that convicted pedophile to babysit your daughter. Maybe he's changed.

>>508867677
>trust a person who is untrustworthy
Lel

>>508867140 (OP)
Funny thing is I work in a factory where they have multiple felons who've served hard time. One of them is tasked with closing up the building at night and shutting off the water and air compressor. Another comes to the supply room and signs for his own shit when the supply guy isn't there. They hold positions of responsibility. And yes, we have precious metals on site that pretty much everyone has access to in some form or fashion. It's not that these people aren't trusted, it's that yes, they're discriminated against. Some of them aren't trustworthy, but some very much are trying to get their lives back on track and handle responsibility well. I've seen it firsthand.
But can you blame most companies for not wanting to take a risk on felons?
Anyway, search Indeed for "fair chance" employers. That means they hire felons.
It might make a difference to some whether the offense was violent or not, but probably not in manufacturing, where they just couldn't give a fuck. Also, I've seen a high-end hotel advertise fair chance jobs, so you never know when you're being waited on by felons or whatever. And food service also always hires them. Some industries are just like that.

>>508867140 (OP)
Criminals should be permanently removed from society

>>508867140 (OP)
Deport all illegals and employers will offer many more "second chance" jobs

>>508867140 (OP)
You've got it all wrong, bro. Companies get subsidized by the government for giving felons jobs. They actually like felons because they get bennies from uncle sam.

>>508868396
Plus they get to treat them like slaves because they know they're desperate and probably living paycheck to paycheck.
They can actually make them do illegal things to keep their job, because they're too scared not to.
And they're frequently not well educated so they don't aspire to much more than survival.
Companies actually work with halfway houses and will hire people living in them to help transition them back into society. It's a long, torturous process, I've met people going through it, and not all of them seem to make it.

>>508867140 (OP)
Insurance companies only insure humans, not animals.

This question is usually so they can hire ex convicts and prove they aren't discriminating rather than to avoid them, kind of turbo retarded they have to give employment to violent degenerates.

I'm all for criminal checks but the police should only let employers know if it's a crime relevant to the job

>>508867140 (OP)
Once your punishment is served, all records should be purged.

>>508868609
I've worked at a fair chance place too. I don't know why you're so empathetic towards felons because they made that job hell for me. They might have lost their shackles but they'll never lose the mindset. Worst people to fucking deal with.

>>508868689
Google WOTC. It's not about discrimination, it's about tax credits.

>>508867677
>people never change
If they truly change they can accept humbly the consequences of their actions.
And also yes, major character changes during adulthood are rare.
>Can't wait until you get pulled over for felony speeding
Doesn't exist.

>>508867140 (OP)
>How the fuck are we supposed to not be criminals
By not doing crime in the first place, nigger. It isnt that hard.

>>508867140 (OP)
because the idea is enslave people
>>508867313
you can punish them, but no record unless it's a serious one
>stealing 70K car
yes
>stealing from walmart
no

>>508868765
I just haven't had a problem with them. I guess you ran into some bad ones. But some of the ones I work with have been in the same place for years, because if they find a place they can deal with, they tend to stay.
If they're gonna wash out, they usually wash out pretty quickly, and I've seen that happen, too. Especially if they're mentally unstable or drug addicted. Then they're gone usually within a few months.

>>508867677
This right here is why nobody wants retarded criminals like yourself. You just assume everyone else breaks the law because it's better than coming to the conclusion you are a fuckup in life.

Just lie on your resume

>>508867677
>I decided to break the law because I'm a dimwitted retarded jackass and that proves I'm not a dimwitted retarded jackass

Proving you are the same person you always were and did not change, you wouldn't defend behaving that way if you had.

>>508867677
>ok retard
>Can't wait until you get pulled over for felony speeding and lose everything too
Go drive for Uber and advertise Super Fast Service

>>508867140 (OP)
just tick the "NO" box, if they do eventually find out somehow what's the worst that can happen?
>they fire you from... the job they weren't going to hire you for in the first place?
oh no! imagine playing fair with a company that doesn't give a shit about you

>>508868925
No, they didn't wash out when your boss is one of them and constantly babies them. I used to be a trainer and had many times where the boss sided with the felon employee who wasn't looking at their parts. Everything was my fault because I was the straight one there. Everything got blamed on me. All the "former" meth heads cliqued up and could never do any wrong. People showed up loaded regularly to work. Did you happen to work first shift by chance? Because third shift is like the wild west.

>>508869136
Pretty sure lying about not being a felon is a crime here. There are other areas of life that impacts felons as well.

>>508869153
Mostly I've worked 2nd shift. But I think you might have specified your problem there... your boss is one of them. That's something I haven't encountered, and yeah, I can see how that would lead to problems. All factories are shitholes, but it sounds like you ran into a really bad one. The workplace injury rate there must be really special, and I don't doubt they fail to report it every time.

>>508868709
That didn't work here
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/supervisor-sat-in-car-while-repeat-bc-sex-offender-victimized-11-year-old-girl
>The owner of the equestrian centre where the alleged offence took place on Feb. 9 said she did not know about Dueck’s criminal history when she agreed to let him participate in adult riding lessons.
>She was told Dueck, 29, was developmentally delayed and would be under the supervision of a support worker from Community Living B.C., a B.C. Crown corporation that works with adults with development disabilities.
>She said it was horrifying to find out about Dueck’s history of repeated sexual offences against youth.

All these sex offenders pretend to be retarded or crazy to avoid prison so they didn't have to advise his employers he was a career rapist as it "wasn't relevant to the job" except that there was kids riding lessons too oops

>>508867140 (OP)
Its just a more acceptable way to discriminate against men and bring about the age of lets not care for any principles but decide on manipulated (by jews) emotions

>>508869136
>>508868990
You have to check a box that says "I certify that everything I said in this application is true under penalty of law" for every application. You can be charged with perjury and the company can sue you in civil court if they found that out when you were working for them

>>508869394
They weren't getting injured much because presses are designed so they don't constantly kill retards. Their quality of work is what was fucking atrocious. Constant corner cutting and just refusing to pay attention. The workplace politics was also fucked up and inverted. I got a bad reputation because I saw all the defects and the techs hated to clean the machines aka do their job. One of the underbosses literally warped thousands of dollars of parts from sitting her fat ass on boxes of completed product but I get reamed in the meeting for not helping my trainee keep up enough when I was giving breaks? It's just a fucking nightmare.

>>508868709
Disagree. But here in the US we have a 10-year limit on non-government background checks.
It's sadly being undermined by websites like Mugshots com and other similar sites that are highly useful for finding out if your neighbor or coworker has a serious criminal record but sometimes take what's been public record for years and post it on a privately owned site. It's hard to get it taken down, and I've known at least one person who said she was afraid she wouldn't be able to get another job because she had a DUI listed on one of those sites from years ago.

>>508867677
>durrrrr I drive like a tard ass nigger and had my life ruined

I got falsely arrested for DWI, and got slapped with 2x charges of unlawful possession of firearm because of it. I’m not a nigger though and was exonerated by the blood test. Don’t act like a nigger and you can avoid charges

>>508869603
You forgot to mention the part where the state mandated babysitter sat in his car instead of watching the guy while the assault took place. You're literally paying people to babysit chomos. What the fuck is wrong with you? Just kill all chomos and be done with it.

>>508869883
Yep. Sounds like pretty much every factory. But whether you hire beans, felons, trannies, or niggers, you get the same. And that 's what you get in most factory work. Good people are hard to come by when you don't pay shit, don't organize properly, the boss treats the business like a cash cow, and workplace conditions are always unsafe. It's a shit field to be in.

>>508870050
>It's a shit field to be in
That's why I'm not anymore. Your only hope at a normal life is working first shift when all the big bosses are around and everyone is on their best behavior. If you work an off-shift, good luck.

>>508869883
I worked night shift at a factory once. Tons of felon coworkers. People did cocaine in the bathroom to stay up, the place was a mess. Someone managed to talk one of these retards into loading his truck up with about $50,000 of scrap tungsten and they never caught him. Shortly after I left someone nearly burnt the place down because they left a machine running with magnesium parts while on break kek

>>508870382
Oh yeah, they used to do meth out behind the warehouse of my old one. This is why made in america is such a fucking joke these days. I wouldn't trust an american product anymore.

>>508867140 (OP)
you're supposed to not commit crimes you idiot.
criminals should be shot in the face if caught in the act.

>>508867677
>Can't wait until you get pulled over for felony speeding and lose everything too
sorry, i'm white, i don't go 50 in a school zone

>>508870203
I actually preferred second shift because there are fewer people and it's after shipping hours. Nobody really misbehaved too much where I work if your misbehavior affects your work. They're quick to fire if you do. But still, guys went and got high on their breaks, and I don't really care as long as I don't have to deal with it. I keep to myself mostly.

>>508870924
Second shift is usually the worst because they can leave the factory a mess for third shift and no one says anything. The only thing keeping third shift somewhat honest is the fact they have to leave the factory nice for the big bosses on first shift when they leave.

>>508867140 (OP)
I am a felon, and I somewhat understand the job thing. But for stuff like housing or even the right to vote, it is insane. How are people just okay with forcing others to be homeless or rely on charity because no rental company will associate with them? Or not allow them to vote even though the laws decided by politicians have affected them more than most others?
The felony repercussion system in the US is far worse than most places in Europe, for example, and is in dire need of reform. I would be a conservative if they didn’t want to punish felons with life sentences even after they’ve done their time as required by the judicial system.

>>508871027
We laid off all our third shift a while back, but even when we had them they were a skeleton crew just to get a few things done.
Some departments have had that problem, but not the ones I work in. I guess it comes down to who you work with.

A felony in the US is a life sentence of hardship and struggling, regardless of the crime.
Is that justice? Do you think the founding fathers intended it to be this way? Do you think America is meant to be the land of second chances, but only if you committed your crimes in another country? If you made a mistake here, oh well, might as well kill yourself.

>>508871107
>But for stuff like housing
Oh, yeah. I've heard this complaint before. It's true, felons are discriminated against in housing. Apparently not much worse than people like me who are credit invisible though. 'Murica is built on debt, if you don't have any, you don't count. So it may actually be easier for a person with a felony record to get an apartment than a guy like me with zero credit rating. I actually worked with a felon who had great credit but a violent felony, he got an apartment and complained about the hassle, but it didn't seem impossible for him.

>>508871311
>Is that justice?
No
>Do you think the founding fathers intended it to be this way?
Yes. They were slave owners, after all.

>>508871107
Fuck you, criminal scum. Why should faggots who have shown they don't give a shit about laws be able to decide them? Think for 2 seconds, you low impulse nigger.

>>508871311
>made a mistake
>Sorry officer, I didn't mean to break into that home and take their possessions. I thought that was my own house. It's just an honest mistake.
Be thankful we don't have all you shitheads executed.

>>508867140 (OP)
Fuck you kike. Were gonna close prisons and deport all criminal niggers to tel aviv. Fuck you!

>>508869879
That’s only for governmental jobs and governmental programs.

It’s not illegal to lie in employment applications because it is technically freedom of speech and such. That’s why they are going to run your shit through the check system regardless of what you say.

>>508871597
>Free speech
You have no idea what you're talking about. These companies all get wotc. That makes them all beholden to the government. Stolen valor will always be illegal.

>>508871506
You’re the faggot bootlicker that’s never had to deal with adversity in life. You are weak and wouldn’t last a minute in our shoes. Your spineless opinion is worthless. I see through your paper-thin skin. One day, God willing, you will understand what it means to have the strength to beat the odds.

>>508871816
Stolen valor is something completely different, we’re talking about not disclosing felonies here dummy.

>>508871904
>My life was hard so I took the easy way out by stealing things others worked for instead of working for them myself
Everyone's life is hard, you whiny little bitch. I don't take my problems out on those around me like a stupid nigger aka (you).

>>508871943
You're the one who brought up free speech, you stupid nigger. Go claim to be a veteran on a job application and see what happens to you. I guess if you were smart enough to understand this you wouldn't be a criminal fuckwad.

>>508871977
I don’t know why you’re assuming I’m a thief, but you’re dead wrong. You don’t know my story so stop acting like you do. You think some arbitrary decision by a kangaroo court makes you better than me. This is the same justice system that locked up January 6th protesters, and will gladly lock you up for antisemitism. But you want to act like it never makes mistakes and everybody that’s convicted is deserving. You are either completely naive or mentally deficient.

>>508872140
>I committed crimes but I don't deserve the punishment!
Waaahhhh, cry more nigger.

>>508867140 (OP)
Nobody owes you anything in life. Not understanding/accepting that is the basis of most of your problems.

>>508872210
One day you’ll make a mistake and then you’ll realize what the system actually is. When you get betrayed by the system you claim to support, it will come full circle. Just keep acting like you are now, it will happen eventually. Karma’s a bitch. You’re the type to talk tough on the internet defending a corrupt establishment but quivers with fear the second you are in the same room as somebody like me. There will be no police to help you, mainly because they don’t care. They don’t exist to save you, only punish you when you get out of line.
You have reached the end of your pitiful logic which is why you have resulted to baseless mockery and attempts at racism, even though you have no idea what race I am and are going off of stereotypes. Truly, that is indicative of your ignorance and mental fragility.

>>508872349
>nobody owes you anything
>you owe taxes though
Wow it only took me 0.8 seconds to debunk the source of your homosexuality

>>508872622
>Not shown: the actual crime this nigger committed
I've heard the song of your people enough. None of you niggers ever think it's your fault.

>>508869883
Look on the bright side: you could probably sabotage, swat, or otherwise do some shit to get them maimed or rearrested and get away with it.

>>508872349
>he said while posting from his mom's basement that he lives in rent-free and does no chores
It's 10AM on a Friday, you should be at work

>>508871506
Our laws are retarded and enforced only against straight White men.

>>508873348
So what felony did you accidentally fall ass backwards into? Seems to be such a common sentiment among you niggers. Did any felon actually commit the crime they were incarcerated for?

>>508872713
Ok I’ll give you a little something to go off on. Not because I care about your insults, but because I want to see what random people will say.
I was shooting my gun on my property when I was ambushed by a police officer that snuck up on me. In order to keep the officer from being at fault, they threw a big charge at me. They charged me with attempted murder because I was shooting in the woods and an officer was nearby, even though I never saw him.
They didn’t announce themselves, didn’t use lights and sirens, didn’t try to arrest me, didn’t ask me to drop my weapon, just shot me. They sat watching me for over an hour, not once did they make contact. Only once I went to fire again, did they shoot me.
Now I had to take a plea deal for assault and battery first degree, a non-violent felony, because a jury trial is too unpredictable and it would basically have been my word against a cop’s word. And I know idiots like you would have been selected as the twelve.
So just to summarize, I was testing my legally acquired weapon on my property, was almost killed by a cop I didn’t know was there, and they charged me with the crime I was actually the victim of. I took a plea deal to avoid a sham trial and because I was able to negotiate no prison time, only probation.
In the meantime, I have finished my college degree and got accepted into a Master’s degree program in science, all while having all this shit hanging over my head. Do I let it hold me back? No, to the best of my ability I do not. Does it make me stronger and more resilient than somebody that never had to go through what I have? Yes of course it does. There’s an aphorism: adversity makes the man.
Oh yeah, and I’m full blooded white European by the way, and maybe that helped me get out of prison time. But keep calling me nigger if you want, I know it helps your brain rationalize the injustice you support, because you think it only happens to blacks and minorities.

>>508873656
Yeah, I'm sure that's the entire story and nothing was left out. Sounds like you've relayed every important detail of the story and the cops are clearly in the wrong. What a bunch of horseshit.
>Inb4 your backstop was a school

>>508873927
Believe me or not, I don’t care. The exact reaction you had is why I took a plea deal. Because the average person wants to think that the police never do wrong and never make mistakes, otherwise the whole system falls apart. And in that naivety, injustice is allowed to occur. Life is never white or black, everything occurs in the gray area. This isn’t some marvel movie, there are no purely good guys and purely bad guys.
Not sure what you mean by my backstop was school but sure.

>>508869261
nigga who cares, just do it anyway. if you're doing it then you're already a felon. how often do you think that stuff goes to court
>>508869879
>sue you in civil court
sue you for what? you're under no obligation to tell the truth to private citizens or businesses. this is just language to scare you. as long as you didn't actually do anything wrong they have no civil case because there was no damage incurred

>>508867140 (OP)
>does crime
>lying on an application is where you draw the line
ngmi niggeranon

>>508874263
>This isn’t some marvel movie, there are no purely good guys and purely bad guys
Yeah, the cops weren't bad. You were being irresponsible with a gun and caught a well deserved felony for it.
>Not knowing what a backstop is
Proves the cops were 100% justified in taking your guns away forever.

>>508874390
If you're a felon, you're scrutinized more than some rando doing it. There are all sorts of rules you have to follow on condition of your release and if you don't, you go right back to the clink. Felons have lost their access to rights non-criminals have.

>>508874458
>what is a mandatory background check
Yeah, maybe I'll start smoking crack again and then go for a drug test. It doesn't matter if it's positive, because I'll just lie! 276 IQ!

>>508874858
No one ever does those. They just say that to weed out the losers who don't want it bad enough.

>>508874988
I got tested at my previous jobs, liar, all of them

>>508867140 (OP)

One way or the other the law is an IQ test. You failed it and are therefore too fucking dumb to hire.

>>508867756
But we need an open border with an unlimited flow of brown people who compete with convicts for jobs but are able to take lower wages because government funded NGOs pay their rent.

>>508875061
They just told you that because they didn't like your face.

>>508867457
you wish. we're crashing this bump limit with no survivors

>>508867140 (OP)
>Google "companies that hire employees with a record"
>Apply to those companies
Its not that hard if you arent retarded.

>>508867140 (OP)
Some crimes make you ineligible for some jobs. Ex: A child molester can't work at a preschool.
It's just the law

>>508876486
>yeah bro, society is totally fair
>just apply to the 5% of jobs that do hire felons

>>508877155
>My shitty degenerate behavior has made my life harder
>this is society's fault!

>>508867140 (OP)
"Well...have you ever tried NOT being a criminal? It makes that section of the application much easier."