← Home ← Back to /pol/

Thread 508923263

92 posts 30 images 36 unique posters /pol/
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508923263 >>508923376 >>508923418 >>508924284 >>508924991 >>508925210 >>508925281 >>508925525 >>508925710 >>508926050 >>508926272 >>508928664 >>508932297
HAPPENING!!! SCOTUS ENDS NATIONAL INJUNCTIONS AGAINST TRUMP! HUGE WIN!!!
https://archive.is/52l5W
Contrary to what many jews will say in this thread there is NO RULING from SCOTUS that states that the children of illegal aliens are citizens, that is NOT what the 14th amendment says either and it is NOT what the author of Clause 1 of the 14th amendment says in constitutional record, and it is NOT what SCOTUS precedent says in Wong Kim Ark.

>Here is how it stands today:

1: Constitution says that children of illegals do NOT have citizenship.

2: Precedent set by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark states that children of LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS have citizenship.

3: The author of 14th Amendment Clause 1 Senator Jacob Howard, specifically excludes the children of illegal aliens from birthright citizenship when he offers his definition of the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

4: On June 27th, 2025 SCOTUS ruled that the National Injunctions that were placed against Trumps Executive Order were unlawful and thus the Trump Administration was granted the ability in multiple states to enforce his Executive Order on Birthright Citizenship.

>Trumps Executive Order is as follows:
“policy of the United States” to no longer ISSUE or ACCEPT documentation of citizenship in two scenarios: “(1) when [a] person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when [a] person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

THEREFORE a ruling is required by SCOTUS NOW to clarify if the children of illegal aliens are covered under the 14th amendment and given all of the historical context and precedent set by previous SCOTUS majority opinions... the answer is CRYSTAL CLEAR that they are NOT protected under the 14th Amendment.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508923305 >>508924398 >>508924665
>Does this affect Voter Rolls for MidTerms?
YES IT DOES THANK YOU FOR ASKING!
>Does this affect census?
YES IT DOES THANK YOU FOR ASKING!

>As it stands right now:
a child born of illegal migrant parents could be denied Documentation and Citizenship status in Ohio but if that same child were to be born in California that child would be granted citizenship - This disjointed chaos will force SCOTUS to make a ruling on the constitutionality of the 14th Amendment as it pertains to the Children of Illegal Migrants within the year and in the meantime the Trump Administration gets to enforce their Executive Order in any state that doesn't fight them on it such as Texas or Ohio, etc.

>How it should be and likely WILL be interpreted by SCOTUS:
The jurisdiction clause, as originally understood, grants birthright citizenship only to children whose parents have full, exclusive allegiance to the United States. The Constitutional text in history shows that children of illegal aliens and illegal aliens who are in the United States temporarily are not citizens by birthright under
the 14th Amendment.

The drafters of the 14th Amendment understood not to grant citizenship to persons, quote, ‘‘owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.’’ In the first cases decided after ratification, the Supreme Court held that ‘‘jurisdiction’’ in the 14th Amendment means not nearly subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States but completely-but completely-subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.

Of course, illegal aliens and legal temporary United States residents do not owe complete, direct, and immediate allegiance to the United States. Therefore, their children are not citizens by birthright under the 14th Amendment.
Anonymous (ID: c2AUxUHl) United States No.508923376 >>508923457
>>508923263 (OP)
based
Anonymous (ID: P5E34bri) United States No.508923418 >>508924079 >>508924507
>>508923263 (OP)
I fail to see why both sides aren't celebrating this? Biden's student loan forgiveness got shut down by a nationwide injunction. Why does some faggot judge in Boston have the power to rule over the entire country?
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508923457 >>508923544 >>508924946
>>508923376
Trump had more National Injunctions placed against him in the first 90 days of his presidency than for EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT FOR THE ENTIRE 20TH CENTURY COMBINED.
Anonymous (ID: c2AUxUHl) United States No.508923544
>>508923457
true
Anonymous (ID: a9wvX6ZW) United States No.508924079 >>508924252 >>508926714 >>508927896
>>508923418
>I fail to see why both sides aren't celebrating this?
Because it doesn't change anything. They will just do state by state injunctions or a class action with one plaintiff in every state instead.
Anonymous (ID: EcJqTkfe) United States No.508924200
well chips ahoy matey, anchors away
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508924252 >>508924736
>>508924079
Not how it works. States like Ohio or Texas wont place state wide injunctions which creates chaos in the system which will force SCOTUS to make a ruling on the 14th Amendment Faster.

90% of the national injunctions came from California, Boston, and Hawaii. Now that those judges can't just shutdown the entire country at a whim their plans have fallen apart. This is the biggest news in more than a century in regards to the 14th Amendment.
Anonymous (ID: gufMaeEg) No.508924284 >>508924377 >>508925390
>>508923263 (OP)
Break it down for retards to understand.

If the beaner woman gets pregnant in Mexico or where-ever else that is NOT America. Hops over the border and births the child. It is not American. It was conceived in the other country. Therefore, if the child was conceived in America, then it is American. See the difference?
Anonymous (ID: tSsS3VQu) United States No.508924290
There's no two ways about it; it's a monumental decision and if he wins on Birthright it is lights out for the Left.
Anonymous (ID: prDzS7cs) United States No.508924377 >>508924447
>>508924284
you are the retard here, and also a faggot. nothing of what you said is true meme flag
Anonymous (ID: Lo0VKzZP) United States No.508924398 >>508924769
>>508923305
Wish something would be done about permanent legal residents. Either become a citizen or leave. Both of my parents have been in the US for fifty years as legal permanent residents. Neither bothers to get citizenship because all it does is allows them to vote and get jury duty. Dad is even able to own guns despite not being a citizen. It's crazy that citizenship is nearly equal with permanent residency.
Anonymous (ID: RZRfu3Iy) United States No.508924430
The 14th amendment says it doesn't apply to people under a foreign jurisdiction, only our jurisdiction. The utility of this concept is repleate in law for that time. It was a common motif. There's no mystery that it has nothing to do with foreign spawn babies who are automatically given citizenship of their parents' countries (jurisdiction).
Anonymous (ID: gufMaeEg) No.508924447
>>508924377
It's time for you to go back to mexico, Paco.
Anonymous (ID: prDzS7cs) United States No.508924476 >>508924706
spam fags aside, this is potentially pretty awesome.

and is exactly what i voted for. If Trump ends birthright citizenship he can be emperor for life
Anonymous (ID: Lo0VKzZP) United States No.508924507
>>508923418
>I fail to see why both sides aren't celebrating this?
They can't look past today. This is why they kept fucking with the filibuster and ended up getting fucked by it when the Republicans took over.
Anonymous (ID: prDzS7cs) United States No.508924561
>508924447
it has nothing to do with where the baby was conceived, but you're clearly just "pretending" to be retarded on purpose
Anonymous (ID: DItUsChQ) Argentina No.508924665 >>508924855
>>508923305
>owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.’’
this could, and may be used, against jews, faggot
Anonymous (ID: Lo0VKzZP) United States No.508924706 >>508925901
>>508924476
It would be a good step forward but keep in mind that he's still in love with "legal" immigration, especially from India. If we get rid of beaners just to end up like Canada, full of poo, have we really won anything?
Anonymous (ID: a9wvX6ZW) United States No.508924736 >>508925478
>>508924252
> States like Ohio or Texas wont place state wide injunctions
ok retard
Anonymous (ID: aSfsRPAN) New Zealand No.508924769 >>508924994
>>508924398
How is it crazy? They’re PERMANENT residents.
Anonymous (ID: Lo0VKzZP) United States No.508924855 >>508924918
>>508924665
Jews could just say they renounce their Israeli citizenship claim. Since Israel will happily reinstate that claim anytime one of them gets in trouble for pedo stuff in the US, it's really a worthless distinction. Jews will always have the ability to flee to Israel and get citizenship there, no matter how many times they renounce their claim on Israeli citizenship in front of the US government.
Anonymous (ID: RZRfu3Iy) United States No.508924918 >>508925032
>>508924855
They could, but a future based US government can simply use the language that they exhibit allegiance to Israel regardless, and deport them.
Anonymous (ID: +kxSTCTJ) United States No.508924946
>>508923457
Yeah but he's literally a NAZI REEEE
Anonymous (ID: VgQ1DZio) United States No.508924991 >>508925070 >>508925119
>>508923263 (OP)
Works both ways Cletus. The Democrat president in the WH in 2029 will be able to do anything they please too. These SCOTUS rulings will be around long after lame duck Drumpf
Anonymous (ID: Lo0VKzZP) United States No.508924994 >>508928624
>>508924769
Such a thing shouldn't exist. Why let non-citizens to live in your lands permanently if they're not even interested in becoming citizens? While I'm glad I was born here instead of in leafland, it's clear that my parents have no loyalty to the US and have said so many times when talking about moving back to Canada if thing ever "get rough" here.
Anonymous (ID: Lo0VKzZP) United States No.508925032 >>508926029
>>508924918
Well, we can hope someday to have a government that based.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508925070 >>508925112
>>508924991
You will never win an election again without illegal migrants voting.
Anonymous (ID: VgQ1DZio) United States No.508925112 >>508925167 >>508925362
>>508925070
You'll never win another election without martial law.
Anonymous (ID: Lo0VKzZP) United States No.508925119
>>508924991
Correct. Republicans won't be able to find one judge out of over 700 to make a nationwide ruling. Doesn't matter red or blue, having over 700 judges able to be junior Supreme Courts is stupid.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508925167 >>508925436
>>508925112
Trump is popular
Deporting illegals is popular
It's an 80/20 issue, (You) are on the 20 side.
Anonymous (ID: 0mFtfNfH) United States No.508925170 >>508925234
>doesnt affect people already born here
WHATS THE FUCKING POINT THEN
Anonymous (ID: 1fFalsxA) Mexico No.508925210 >>508925467
>>508923263 (OP)
Come on muricans, israel needs 30 billion to repair their country, Remember
MIGA
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508925234 >>508925520
>>508925170
SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions are retroactive.
Anonymous (ID: fL1vb1nw) United States No.508925281
>>508923263 (OP)
Coney Barrett is going to back stab us on the anchor baby thing. I would probably be willing to bet my life on it if the payout was good.
Anonymous (ID: fL1vb1nw) United States No.508925362
>>508925112
Lol, you're a fucking retard. He won the popular vote claiming he would do exactly this. They could probably starting shooting illegals at the border and most wouldn't care. We are fucking sick of it.
Anonymous (ID: fL1vb1nw) United States No.508925390
>>508924284
What an absolutely retarded take
Anonymous (ID: VgQ1DZio) United States No.508925436 >>508925528
>>508925167
The carnage from the big beautiful bill hasn't set in yet. Once that disaster is passed. You're fucked no matter what.
Anonymous (ID: MhfjCQcv) United States No.508925467
>>508925210
you are mexican living in mexico. What a massive L
Anonymous (ID: nT4IpbxP) United States No.508925478 >>508925951
>>508924736
You're the retard "state by state injunctions" you don't have basic knowledge on how to federal court system works
Anonymous (ID: 0mFtfNfH) United States No.508925520
>>508925234
it's so fucking retarded
so many young beaner zoomers that got their abwelitas and abwelitos deported are gonna flood the fucking polls the minute they turn 18 and elect the most pozzed faggot imagineable
Anonymous (ID: 2CoCvly1) United States No.508925525 >>508925591
>>508923263 (OP)
>Constitution says that children of illegals do NOT have citizenship.
It literally doesn't.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508925528 >>508927386
>>508925436
Cope and seethe
>Y-Y-YOU WONT BE ABLE TO USE NATIONAL INJUNCTIONS AGAINST US!
It is only (You) who uses these blatantly unconstitutional national injunctions retard
Read the room, (You) are UNPOPULAR, nobody likes you, nobody will EVER vote for you again you fucking delusional tranny.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508925591 >>508925641
>>508925525
It literally does, it's called the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.
>And subject to the jurisdiction thereof
Anonymous (ID: BAH6IQP+) United States No.508925627
AY CARUMBA NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Anonymous (ID: 2CoCvly1) United States No.508925641 >>508925720
>>508925591
It literally doesn't.
You can argue all you want that this is what ought to be inferred by the literal text but it literally says nothing about immigrants.
Anonymous (ID: 40NvbKr4) Canada No.508925710
>>508923263 (OP)
The "loves freedom" crowd seem awfully supportive of a literal fascist dictator... "Don't tread on me, unless the boot is orange". Magats are actually pathetic.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508925720 >>508926088
>>508925641
It literally does
>subject to the jurisdiction thereof
just because you don't understand what those words mean does not mean they don't exist
Your ignorance is not an excuse, retard
Anonymous (ID: A8xo/XO1) United States No.508925772
Anonymous (ID: A8xo/XO1) United States No.508925878
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508925901 >>508932022
>>508924706
patience. the first attack on "legal" immigration was refugee/asylum status of which there have been none accepted since january of this year. moratorium is coming. but Trump can't go right out and say that. just like he has to say he won't deport "innocent" illegal immigrants that have jobs. ICE is still raiding them though, every day.
Anonymous (ID: a9wvX6ZW) United States No.508925951 >>508926018 >>508926041
>>508925478
22 states already have statewide injuctions on this exact case you dumb nigger
magatards have no clue about anything other than sucking jewish dick
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508926018 >>508928098
>>508925951
So you are saying more than half the country DOESN'T have statewide injunctions?
Thanks for the optimistic news, anon! And remember those cases now must go through the courts one by one!
Anonymous (ID: RZRfu3Iy) United States No.508926029
>>508925032
>Well, we can hope someday to have a government that based.
As soon as boomers are gone, it's within the realm of possibility.
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508926041 >>508928098
>>508925951
you are being deported. have a nice life.
Anonymous (ID: tx6iH/MW) United States No.508926050 >>508926099 >>508926129
>>508923263 (OP)
Laws can now be unconstitutional in one state and constitutional in another? The constitution is irrelevant now. That shit literally doesn't matter anymore.
Anonymous (ID: 2CoCvly1) United States No.508926088 >>508926161
>>508925720
Those words are LITERALLY are not the words "children of illegals do NOT have citizenship" or are even close to that. It's not even a complete statement.
Use the word literally properly or don't use it at all.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508926099 >>508926359
>>508926050
Yes, it creates CHAOS and a constitutional crisis which will force SCOTUS to rule on the 14th Amendment for the first time since Wong Kim Ark in 1898.
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508926129 >>508926359
>>508926050
the 14th amendment has been misinterpreted. the interpretation will now be corrected. thank you for your attention to this matter.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508926161
>>508926088
They literally are, again, it's not my fault that you are illiterate and you don't know what those words mean. I offered a pretty good breakdown of it in the OP and my second post in this thread if your IQ is just too low for you to be able to understand then I just can't help you.
Anonymous (ID: A98pS1uM) No.508926269 >>508926322 >>508926476
TRUMP IS BETRAYING AMERICAN VALUES STOP WORSHIPPING THIS MORON
Anonymous (ID: HWxz8BBi) United States No.508926272 >>508926429
>>508923263 (OP)
how is any level of Govt, including like the State Dept Passport Office, going to tell, at this date, if someone with a Valid BC issued from US hospital had an illegal set of parents? If your non-Obama style BC has foreign birth locations for both parents is the State Dept REALLY going to demand their US Citizen Papers? Does State Dept have records of all newly minted US Citizens stashed away to pull up???

I've got an actual BCert that unlike Obama's lists doctor's name, lic#, DOCTOR's home address, and IIRC both parent's cities of birth. But now of course even that doesn't mean they are US Citizens. IIRC it doesn't address parent's citizenships.


PS-good luck getting Hospital Admins, that despite being in process of bankrupted by Wetback birthing, to start putting Citizenship data on Birth Certs.

Pretty sure that will be State Level regs, so we know how that will go in all major Anchor Baby Birthing centers.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508926322
>>508926269
>It's "American Values" to have open borders
LMFAO
Anonymous (ID: tx6iH/MW) United States No.508926359 >>508926450 >>508926504 >>508927816
>>508926099
>>508926129
It could also open up a future president banning and confiscating guns, and it could be up to the individual who had their guns confiscated to hire a lawyer and pay to try and get an injunction for themselves.
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508926429
>>508926272
>how
Real Id, which has been around for 20 years.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508926450
>>508926359
So can Real ID, congress can pass a bill that states that Real ID now must know if you are a member of the NRA for example and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it now because not having a Real ID means you can't travel even within the United States as a US Citizen.
Anonymous (ID: 7zwaKt0x) United States No.508926476
>>508926269
Leftwingers
>Americans are on stolen land, none of this is theirs
Also leftwingers
>Trump is betraying American values
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508926504 >>508926820
>>508926359
>it could
i'm not afraid of the future. if Trump continues to be successful this term, MAGA will be eternal.
Anonymous (ID: vO3wX4/5) United States No.508926714
>>508924079
If we weren't living in the Twilight Zone I would applaud this but sadly it's just too late. The demographics of the US are just too fucked already. And even if you deported every single illegal, there are still like 250 million pozzed feminized kiked degenerate retard citizens.
Anonymous (ID: tx6iH/MW) United States No.508926820 >>508927278
>>508926504
Trump: "take the guns first, go through due process second"

Maga will fuck you so hard and you will love it like the good bitch you are. Never forget the core value of conservatives is subservience. They mask it and put on a front, but at the end of the day they believe in being ruled. You all see yourselves on a deep level as lesser than others, and want them to dominate you. It's disgusting
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508926858
This also affects Redistricting and Zoning by the way.
Democrats will never win another election again.
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508927278 >>508927551
>>508926820
you are being deported. have a nice life.
Anonymous (ID: VgQ1DZio) United States No.508927386 >>508927679 >>508927712
>>508925528
Damn. Get a load of this triggered fool raging. You're still screwed because of the BBB. Many republican senator golems are panicking about it. Lmao
Anonymous (ID: tx6iH/MW) United States No.508927551 >>508927712
>>508927278
holy cope
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508927679 >>508928583
>>508927386
You LOST
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508927712 >>508928583
>>508927386
>>508927551
the free ride is over. gtfo.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508927778
https://youtu.be/p7PCui0nA9c
Anonymous (ID: WsqnP9d3) United States No.508927816
>>508926359
Your species really is mindlessly retarded.
Anonymous (ID: dMI2lMUD) United States No.508927896 >>508927972
>>508924079
This exactly. It slows down due process for everybody.
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508927972
>>508927896
>due process
the 14th amendment was misinterpreted. this will be corrected momentarily. please stand by and thank you for your attention to this matter.
Anonymous (ID: HSf3/rLF) United States No.508928098 >>508928461
>>508926018
>>508926041
>samefagging magatard cope
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508928461
>>508928098
you are terrified over things that haven't happened. meanwhile i'm celebrating the victories of the day. we are not the same. go home because you can't stay here, anymore.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508928526
Anonymous (ID: VgQ1DZio) United States No.508928583 >>508928645
>>508927679
>>508927712
Anonymous (ID: ROg7wlDo) United States No.508928624
>>508924994
Yeah, this interpretation let's drumpf deport you back to Canada. Day of the rake is coming
Anonymous (ID: Cqp/EIsy) United States No.508928645
>>508928583
adios.
Anonymous (ID: BinoHDLZ) United States No.508928664 >>508929799
>>508923263 (OP)
Where's your law degree from? Because everything you said is incorrect.
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508929799
>>508928664
You're wrong, I am right
Anonymous (ID: 9i6Jb4OO) United States No.508931627
bumping
Anonymous (ID: MIJZ9ULV) United States No.508932022
>>508925901
>the first attack on "legal" immigration was refugee/asylum status of which there have been none accepted since january of this year
You just pulled it out of your homosexual MAGA ass kek.
Anonymous (ID: H+pwE30l) United States No.508932297
>>508923263 (OP)
So the anon posting about birthright citizenship being ruled on lied. This was again about national injunctions. Not the issue itself. OP is probably the same retarded that would keep posting the ruling would come down in July. Afaik, no one's birthright citizenship has been denied yet because of the immigration status of their parents. And the SCOTUS blocked for 30 days the executive action from taking force.