Let's be honest; most younger guys in the west these days with any sort of money are blasting as many steroids as they can directly into their muscles and bloodstreams. But what aqre the longer-term effects of this practice? Is it true that modern medicine has 'fixed' the errors of the 70's and 80's and previous generations of roiders, or do things still go wrong for men who use anabolics or near-anabolics like SARMs? What will be the political and social consequences of this trend decades later?

Also, does anyone else find it slightly weird how easy it is to get 'illegal' roids these days? No one seems to worry about the legality at the gym, police busts are rare, and the notion of going to a doctor to get legal juice is completely ridiculous to everyone.

>>508944800 (OP)
Don't go out, they're starting project/operation bluebeans, whatever you do don't board the ships.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MBkuSFLbKgw

>>508944800 (OP)
That's a really fucking weird product. Basically an injectable oral (sounds retarded and oxymoronic but it's a thing) with msten - a designer steroid that was sold openly on the grey market before the prohormone ban, cheque drops - vet medicine with no real benefit to muscle building but sometimes illegally used by combat athletes to get psyched up, and carnitine which is just a meme supplement really.

>>508944800 (OP)
>Let's be honest; most younger guys in the west these days with any sort of money are blasting as many steroids as they can directly into their muscles and bloodstreams.
I don't think many younger guys actually do this. 90% of zoomer men I see are scrawny and effeminate.

Anyways, don't mess with hormone drugs like some tranny, that's a terrible idea.

>>508945074
Well, it's some sort of hormone slop cobbled together by pajeets in India, what do you expect.

>>508944800 (OP)
Also there's no huge repercussions to steroid use as long as you don't go apeshit with them. In all likelihood what happens is you start getting cardiovascular disease 10-15 years earlier than you would have otherwise.

>>508944800 (OP)
The physical side effects are horrific but what it does to your brain is even worse. Every long term steroid user goes insane.

>>508944800 (OP)
I think most people would be better off just taking TRT to maximize their testosterone to the upper limit of the "natural range". You're not trying to win Mr. Olympia here, so just find the sweet spot for bodybuilding and libido without wrecking your entire health.

>>508945236
Is that true, though? For example, billionaire wrestling magnate Vince McMahon (age 79) has been a heavy roider since at least the early-80's, and he seems fine.

>>508945415
All you need to actually do is eat somewhat clean food, not let yourself become fat, and work out by doing some actually healthy workout 3+ times a week. By healthy I mean something like swimming or calisthenics, not lifting junk. Then you will have a nice healthy body and mind.

You don't need jewish tranny drugs at all for any conceivable reason.

>>508945462
>and he seems fine
He treated his wrestlers as personal sex objects and shat on a womans head during a threesome with his equally old and disgusting buisness associate.

>proudly made in india
Lmao

>>508945527
When you're under 30, sure I wouldn't touch anything other than maybe vitamin D. But after that, I'm of the opinion that you do need to supplement for maximum QoL.

Anyone have any experience with this? Gonna start my first cycle this week.

>>508945559
Seems fine to me.

>>508945683
Its good but can cause histamine reactions.

>>508945683

With DAC

>>508944800 (OP)
Closet homosexual extremely feminine behavior. The male equivalent of women that get plastic surgery constantly

>>508945656
No you don't. The idea that you "need" jewish hormone drugs is completely ludicrous and tells me you're a bit insane. It's normal to be a bit insane in clown world, so I don't mean to shit on you for being so. But you are.

>>508945703
>>508945739
Roiders are a dangerous cult with in group preference that enable degenerate behavior. Basically trannies desu.

>>508945683
You're not going to notice much from that by itself unless you're in your late 40's or older. What are you hoping to achieve from it?

>>508944800 (OP)
gymbros with body dysmorphia that is
same as getting other illegal drugs i can get molly, coke, weed and speed no problem.

absolutely unnecessary.
enjoy ruined endocrine systems for MUSCLESthat you dont need or use..and will run your heart into the ground
look 60 at 40

>>508946028
Real/pure coke doesn't exist outside of Peru or Colombia. You're snorting 60% diaper rash powder in Europe, and upwards of 40% even in southern US states like Texas or California.

>>508946121
Theres good blow in europe

>>508946121
I once drove my friend to a harbour to meet a slavik guy that was literally getting off a boat. He gave my friend this big yellow brick and in exchange for driving him there and being his second man (I'm big and imposing looking) he took a hammer and snashed a bit off the brick and gave me it. We had to smash this stuff up and grind it into the texture of sand before we could snort it and normally I'd give myself a big fat line but this stuff we used teeny amounts smaller than a fingernail and it was I'd just had the air sucked out of my lungs. Incredible stuff.

Where do i buy from in eu bros?

>>508944800 (OP)
OP where can I buy hgh or testosterone?

>>508946367
Your friend was importing crack.

>>508946279
Not a chance. You can use DNA sequencing machines these days to verify or rule out with absolute certainty the quality of your powder. And the results so far from people with those machines in the west are not good.

>>508944800 (OP)
>But what are the longer-term effects of this practice?

cancer

They will die of cancer before 50 years old.
and that's why government doesn't do anything about it. Every early death saves the government at least 500.000 in pension and social security money.

>>508944800 (OP)
I'm blasting all my cash into property. Billions must rent from me.

>underdogs.india
>where quality meets demand

>>508946555
Fly to Turkey and with the right amount of money you can buy any compound

>>508944800 (OP)
What no one in this thread is saying, probably from inexperience, is that if your parents fed you slop and didnt force you to play spirts year round or do intense exercise from childhood like the human body craves then youre fucked for life and no amount of clean eating and weight lifting will fix your test levels when you finally get your shit together in your mid 20s or 30s. I exercised and played sports as a child and fucked up and took a few years off in my late teens to chase women and my test levels tanked in my mid 30s. Ive worked out vigorously my entire life so i jumped on trt because it was the only hope i had after having test levels of an 80 year old man all while being lean and working out hard. For the young guys do not get on gear or trt until later but most men these days are going to need it otherwise youre going to become a low t redditor. Thanks for visiting my blog faggots.

>>508946801
>you need jew drugs
Complete bullshit.

>>508946561
are you trying to tell me i pay 200/g for baby powder, asshole???

>>508944800 (OP)
every single person I know who used steroids is now a fucking wimp pussy who fucking cries all the time. and I am not joking. Don't fuck with your hormones. it destroys you everytime.

>>508945462
is this a serious post? lmao

>>508946872
Post body with timestamp and test levels now gayboy

>>508947048
>Post body
Sorry, I'm not homosexual so you can just stop flirting with me right now.

If you take any steroids even once you will become a troon in no time. It is inevitable.

>>508947210
>>508944833

>>508944800 (OP)
>Let's be honest; most younger guys in the west these days with any sort of money are blasting as many steroids as they can directly into their muscles and bloodstreams.
Instant gratification is always the absolute worst option. Just excersise you lazy nigger.

>>508946971
Yes, and of all the garbage that's used to splice it, baby powder is among the least harmful.

>>508947150
Thats what i thought youre a low t obese retard

>>508946801
>muttian debtcattle running ads for pharma goo
Nigger, your "food" is just a nutritional blank coated in industrial waste. Be happy you're alive and not ridden with cancers.

>>508946560
I'm not sure you know what crack is if you think that.

>>508948224
Pure cocaine powder is often adulterated with an enormous amount of cheap white powder (could by anything, from dry milk to athletics chalk) and then 're-fortified' with a dose of a cheaper stimulant like concentrated caffeine powder (which is actually quite strong and can stop your heart). I'm not being silly; this has been studied quite a bit:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7610562/

>In the years 2012 to 2015, 524 drug samples that were purchased as ‘cocaine’ were analyzed by the Austrian ‘checkIt!’ programme. Only about 10% of these samples (in numbers: 54) contained cocaine as the only active ingredient. On the other hand, 5% (25) did not contain cocaine at all. The remaining 445 samples consisted of cocaine plus 24 different substances used to ‘cut’ and therefore dilute the cocaine samples, as revealed by HPLC–MS analysis.

>These substances include paracetamol (=acetaminophen), phenacetine, caffeine, lidocaine and in almost 70% of the samples levamisole (363 out of 524 samples). In a pan-European study (Trans European Drug Information, TEDI), levamisole was clearly the most commonly found adulterant (Brunt et al., 2017).

Getting 'pure' cocaine anywhere in Europe or the US is kind of hopeless unless you have a chemistry lab where you can separate the contaminants from the real product.

>>508947821
If you have nothing to contribute get back to work kraut you have millions of arabs to support so the can breed out your women.

>>508947770
See, you're so far gone that you think either people are obese tubs or lard, or they chug jew tranny juice by the gallon. The only way in your demented microbrain to have an acceptable body is to inject yourself with hormones like some tranny.

You don't even see how fucking nuts you are, kek.

>>508949242
Still waiting on you to post body fatso

>>508949277
I don't have to post my body to satisfy your obvious homosexual tastes. Your irrationality stands by itself. Think about it for a second, you're basically saying men with decent bodies did not exist before jews invented tranny hormone drugs.

Like, your position is obviously wrong and retarded. I don't have to jump through any hoops to satisfy your gayness, I don't have to argue with you. All I need to do is to point out how fucking retarded you are.

>>508948224
Correct, I have no fucking clue. I don't do recreational drugs, because I'm not a degen.

>>508949442
Give a breakdown of how im wrong or stfu eurotrash. Address my op and all the points i made dont cherry pick like a reddit bitch either.

>>508950342
I can only reiterate what you told your fellow roidhomotrannies earlier in the thread. All you need to do to have a healthy body and mind is to eat clean food, don't get fat and don't be sedentary. Like your great grandfather. He wasn't a disgusting tub of lard, and he also didn't go around inject jew hormones like some tranny all day. He was just normal... fit and healthy. Because he ate clean farm food, not in excess and he did leisurely physical activity all the time, like walking everywhere. That's all you need to do.

>is extremely gay behavior, on par with stripping down to a speedo to flex at yourself in the full-length mirror that you also have at home because you're at least spiritually a woman
>makes you violently insane, picking fights for no reason and generally acting like a teenage boy when you're actually having a mid-life crisis, which is pathetic
>your using is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows anything about fitness, making it even more embarrassing thanks to the above two
>it'll give you an ugly and extremely unnatural muscle gut and make your heart explode in your 50s
>your gains are now completely dependent on your supply of these expensive drugs and if you're ever cut off your whole body will collapse - only the damage to your brain and cardiovascular system will remain
Seriously just look at that nuisance streamer (and definite closeted fag) Vitaliy Versace or whatever who got arrested in the Philippines for being a giant retard, they locked him in a cell without his gear a couple months ago and he's been visibly deflating ever since.

>>508948581
>implying the cocaine traded in fucking Austria is the same as cocaine traded in America where any Abuelita can just stuff it up her ass and walk it across the border

>>508946561
Nah hes right you can get good blow in the EU.

You can get it easier in the US. Ive had some shit that's blown the top of my head off before.

>>508945074
Injectable orals are sweet. Done injectable dbol anadrol superdol methytren. All amazing.

>>508944800 (OP)
Blast everyday.

>>508952111
Why are steroids legal in the UK?

The problem with steroids is most normies guess at how much they need, and end up looking like dogshit. I lifted natty until a year ago and people cannot believe I look so young compared to my roidrage counterparts of a similar age.

>>508944800 (OP)
You know there is no recipe for those things.they are all extracted from dead bodies of males,.most precisely dead bodies of war..people thought Israel was taking the sperm from dead soldiers but in reality they are taking the testosterone.
No organic chemistry synthesis will produce testosterone, there is no recipe and neither true information on how to create it from zero,.step by step. Because all those are either extracted from animals or dead humans or even sedated people at hospitals.
I once during ICU had my O.neg.blood.stolen while I was unconscious.

>>508944800 (OP)
Yes, we have solved the old issues with taking steroids. Problem is it kills your sex drive so you have a bunch of jacked up 20 year olds with no wives and kids.
I wonder who could want that.

>>508944800 (OP)
You must be totally fucked up in the head to inject yourself anything from "Underdoglabs.india". Probably contains more cowshit than even cowshit and this is IMPOSSIBLE!

>>508952281
>I lifted natty until a year ago
Does this imply that you then started taking the jew troon hormones, or that you stopped lifting altogether?

>>508945074
Anectodally L-carnitine is actually pretty fucking dope. Added it in 2 months ago and have been hitting PRs nonstop on just TRT test. Additionally, my bloodwork usually comes back just south of 1200, and the most recent one came back around 900 at the same dose. To my mind, this is evidence of receptor upregulation, as increased receptir density causes faster testosterone uptake leading to lower blood concentration after a week.
Super weird to include cheque drops in an injectable tho.

>>508945462
Seriously? He gave himself THIS look to rebrand after a sex scandal.

>>508945527
This is the equivalent of Mitt Romney telling people to get a "small loan of a million dollars from their parents."

>>508945703
Stop watching jav

>>508953056
Yes, eating normal food instead of processed slop, restricting your intake and taking a walk instead of driving... this is completely impossible, it can't be done. Not cramming the McSoda into your fat amerimutt face is like... like... winning the lottery.

You must inject the jewpharma tranny hormones. Only way.

>>508945527
>You don't need jewish tranny drugs at all for any conceivable reason.
How else is he supposed to fix his low self esteem and insecurity without drugs?!
And think of the interest from women! May as well kill yourself without female interest!

>>508953286
Kek. But seriously, women honestly can't tell the difference when it comes to being muscular from natural workouts and the boost you get from troonroiding. The only people who see the difference are the homos at the gym who spend all their day ogling other men's buttocks. For women who are into muscled guys, the naturally muscled looks suffice just fine.

>>508946561
>Test purity of coke with DNA sequencer
You sound like a tard but I would like to hear your explanation for how this works.
Should be interesting

>>508944800 (OP)
>inject steroids to meet women's retarded high standards
>die before 50
Western society is a cancer that needs to be taken care of

>>508953056
In what way is telling people to eat clean and do any exercise at all delusional?
Fucking hell no wonder norge is shitting on us stop giving us a bad name.

>>508945527
>You don't need jewish tranny drugs at all for any conceivable reason.
This.

>>508944800 (OP)

Dunno, I only see need for it if you're into bodybuilding or if you're a competitive athlete. Otherwise its just meh.

>>508945527
There's nothing wrong with exercising by picking stuff up and putting it down.

>>508954866
If that's all you do, then yeah, that's not really a healthy way to work out. You will damage your ligaments, build muscles that have little practical application for everyday use and a healthy existence and wear out your joints.

This is why when you meet a roidogre he can barely walk up some stairs, even though he's carrying 100kg in muscle mass. It's not functional strength and it's not really healthy.

That said, nothing wrong with doing a bit of lifting, if this is just a part of a more broad training regimen, geared towards functional overall strength and fitness. If you swim one day, do calisthenics the next, go for a hike the third, lift some weights the fourth, etc.

But that's not how people who are "lift" people usually do things. They just lift weights exclusively.

>>508945683
yeah ive had experience with this. i don't hate peptides or secretagogues or HGH precursors. but it's not test. it's not tren. if it was, more guys would be taking that. should tell you what you need to know. you have to understand that pituitary is king and if it's releasing TSH then it's essentially trying to coax your thyroid into working. but there really shouldn't be too much TSH in a person otherwise you have a shit metabolism and this isn't gonna help. T3/T4 which you can get at meds.com.mx is a good source for thyroid hormone. you can't buy it in the states. doctors only prescribe T4 because they erroneously believe the liver will convert the T4 into T3 but that only happens if you have good liver function which most don't. So think of your liver as an extension of your metabolism. I personally used CJC-1295 with DAC, ipamorelin, semax, and selank nasally with other things to boost IGF-1 with things like L-tyrosine, bromantane, isrib, and dihexa for brain gains, not muscle gains. If you have the dough for it, it's cool as shit. But muscle gains? Tren is king.

>>508944800 (OP)
None of these guys will be able to breed but no one is breeding anyway so moot point really. Fill yer boots, niggas

>>508945808
spoken like someone who has never used basic fucking hormones exogenously. most people don't know what they're doing with them and they let their E2 get crazy fucking high. symptoms of estrogen dominance parallel roid rage, irritability, restlessness, bizarre thinking, paranoia, even hallucinations so on and so forth. basically, these dumbasses in the scene just don't do their shit right and give us all a bad name. but test, mast, DHT - not really gonna hurt you. mast might fuck your hair up a little bit. that's about it. you can always just come off of test or blast and cruise which is what most do.

>>508953675
Telling people that a nice little workout three times a week will do anything is absolutely delusional

>>508955294
The best way to think about exercise is that it's just practice.
So exercising by swimming or running? Gets you trained for movement, whereas lifting is practice for lifting things.
How often do you move? How often do you lift things?
The mistake people make is conflating all exercise with each other.

>>508944800 (OP)
Fucking up your endocrine (hormones) system beyond all repair OP. There's a gymrat to troon pipeline.

>>508952992
>Walter Disney after receiving his weekly infusion of blood drained from cuban children

>>508955625
>Telling people that a nice little workout three times a week will do anything is absolutely delusional
So what does a workout regimen have to look like to "do anything"? I'm sure I'll have a great laugh at your roidtranny ideas on this.

>>508955625
Exercise is proven to increase testosterone, and obesity is proven to decrease it.
Will it take you from 500 to 600? Sure maybe idk the exact numbers. Will it take you from 200 to 800? No of course not.
But you're not at 200 in the first place.
The insistence that there's something wrong with your natural body is a form of body dysphoria.

I used testosterone gel when it was still over the counter and found very good results for weight loss, energy, testosterone, focus and muscle growth and development. It was not too much, not too little for me. Not huge like injecting, but a decent addition.

>>508955689
The problem is that you can live a 100% sedentary life today, and most people do. You don't really have to move your own body or other objects at all today. So training becomes for the sake of training. You swim to be better at swimming, because swimming keeps you in shape. You lift objects to lift objects. Etc.

>>508945683
Secretagogues are shit, just pin GH. Cheaper, safer, more effective.

>>508955886
If you're not doing three sets of intravenous testosterone injection, you may as well be doing 15 sets of oral cake supplementation.
You MUST look like Schwarzenigger otherwise you will look like Chris Christy (fat US politician for non americans). Ignore that Schwarzenogger turned into a soft progressive jew lover as a result of the rebound from his roids affecting his mind.

>>508944800 (OP)
What is their secret? Sun? Sun on balls?

>>508956289
>Ignore that Schwarzenogger turned into a soft progressive jew lover as a result of the rebound from his roids affecting his mind.
This is an interesting thing, and not much talked about. But I have noticed that roiders become very feminine. Like, you can easily notice it in discussions on places like here. When you're arguing with a roidtranny they're always quick to anger, highly emotional, coping about their irrational ways... just like women. I assume this is from them messing with their hormones, which obviously has unpredictable and strange effects.

>>508944800 (OP)
What happened to the good old days of blasting thouroughbred horse levels of test and tren?

>>508944800 (OP)
Steroids, done properly, are based af. For subhumans, all they will do is level the physical playing field a bit. But there are zero reasons for white man not to take advantage of modern biochemistry and hack your body and mind into what god intended for you to be - the ubermensch. Obviously, don't do too much tren or it will make you jewish.

>>508944800 (OP)
>Is it true that modern medicine has 'fixed' the errors of the 70's and 80's and previous generations of roiders, or do things still go wrong for men who use anabolics or near-anabolics like SARMs?

There is way more knowledge about gear so its easier to not fuck up but it still requires a minimum on brain cells or a good coach to pull off. The issue is that the dosages are insane nowadays and starting young is always a bad idea. There are just a limited amount of years you can blast. When you go over 10-15 years of blasting organ growth and cardiovascular remoddeling will be a problem. You think those 20y olds will stop at 35?

I like roids but i started at 35 and do 1 to 2 cycles a year at sensible dosages. You dont really need much more unless you want to become some kind of monstrosity.

Roidtrannies are coping bad genetics or lack of dieting or hard work discipline. Picrel 3 months progress, 4 day UL split, lifting to failure on every single set. You can't train hard, you suck.

>>508955294
>gonna cast some pearls before swine here
here's what you faggots fail to understand. one cycle isn't gonna blow you up to gargantuan proportions. those fuckers that look like Rich Piana have been nonstop running grams of shit for literal years. muscle mass contributes to what my libshit friend refers to as 'scary dog' energy. the scary dog is less likely to get jumped by niggers and people do implicitly understand the work required for a good physique. it's like having a body that is tantamount to a sports car on the road. i can just zoom by everyone. women don't give a fuck if you're gonna die in 15 years. they like all the useless dysgenic muscles that you claim have little practical application for everyday use. and yet, it's gonna be my family members asking me to help them move their furniture. more muscle has literally made my life better in every way possible, and once you get your newbie gains, and lock your x-factors in, past a certain point, you're missing out being natty. it's not for clout, it's not for women, it's not even really for me. Test and DHT are force multipliers. the skinny is that if you're bigger, you're better. and yeah, i don't agree with it but there is this mentality of 'you have to make yourself sick to be cool' women don't give a fuck about your muscles (past a certain point) they just think it's hot that we have the balls to stab ourselves over and over again and know how to manage the drugs we are using. so it becomes a dichotomy of who is taking the risks vs who is not taking any at all. and that is why you get no pussy. has less to do with the muscle and more to do with what you're willing to sacrifice. society is shit anyway, i'm gonna do what it takes to protect myself, and test is not just for building muscle. it is an androgen which is a masculinization agent. not surprising to see all the hate that it gets though since TRT is probably the most effective way to combat all the xenoestrogens in our environment.

>>508945462
Lol yea those leaked texts were totally normal

>>508957032
let's say that's true. roiders are just coping. if you had severe deficiencies, would you not take a drug if it actualized potential that under different circumstances you would normally have?
>those gains
those are good and without increasing bodyfat, being natty, you're not really gonna get much larger. not that you really need to. but the point is, and largely what I believe you fail to understand, there are loads of chemicals in our environment which impede endocrine function. testosterone used exogenously is the grand daddy of all joint, preworkout, mood, libido, anabolic supplements. i would rather spend my money on a few injections a month, not going crazy or anything, barely a blast dose of Test E, 300 a week, then buy aaaaaaaaall the joint supps, preworkout, natural test boosting, protein bullshit out there. i remember doing all that shit when i was natty. the protein shakes. the pre workout. all that garbage. it's expensive as shit and test is cheaper and works better. it's literally it. you guys conflate Rich Piana's size and you're gatekeeping turbo incels from probably actually pulling themselves out of the mud with this bullshit. i have no idea if you have ever used sarms or steroids but
>just work hard bro
doesn't work for everyone because sometimes the problem isn't mentality you fantastically retarded shill

>>508957150
>more muscle has literally made my life better in every way possible, and once you get your newbie gains, and lock your x-factors in, past a certain point, you're missing out being natty
A perfect way to describe the tranny-like body dysphoria of the mentally ill roid drug abuser.

Eating less and going calisthenics is free. You might not be huge, but you can look good naked and that's all that matters unless you are on a stage.

>>508956427
it's not unpredictable and strange. it's just when you're in a severe caloric deficit prepping for a show, having crashed E2 and no carbs fucks with anyone. starvation mode. that or they're bulking on shit food, and the microplastics are plugging shit up. but you can eat sensibly on a bulk without incurring egregious health violations. most also have no idea what estrogen dominance is, and they commit to no effort whatsoever to quell aromatization. in other words, they don't do their shit right. most of them do it just fine and they're mostly less verbal than normal. they're just thinking about crushing it at work. getting a muscle car. maybe slaying some club rats at the bar on Saturday.

>>508944800 (OP)
They will likely have health issues later on which will need treatment, maybe that's why it's easy to buy this shit online.

I think like 70% of regular gym goers use juice. Sad reality is that hollywood pushed the juice look. Almost all actors are on it. Normies still think male to male trannies like the rock are natties when he eats 10k calories a day kek.

With juice you can get 1 years of gains in a month.

>>508955886
Don't get me wrong, if half-assing through some simple cardio a few times a week works for you I'm really happy to hear that, congrats on your genetics. Most people have to actually put in hard work 5-6 times a week to see any real improvement.

>>508957917
Of course it's unpredictable and strange. No one has any clue whatsoever how the human endocrine system really works. This is like saying trannies who shoot up lots of pig estrogen "becomes women." They become no such thing, and no one has the slightest clue how these things actually work.

>>508957032
Nice underwear, does your boyfriend know he left it at your place?

>>508957998
What is "real improvement"? If you don't improve your physique considerably by going from no exercise at all to swimming an hour three times a week, then there's something seriously wrong with you.

>>508958039
Holy fuck you're retarded all across the thread

>>508958164
I know you don't want your tranny behavior challenged in any way. I'm used to you roiders becoming highly emotional and hysterical when this happens. So you can just go right ahead believing the Science(tm) that men can become women and all that shit. Keep roiding, my pharma addicted fren.

>>508958136
Serious question, are you over 25?

>>508957150
How much does Pfizer pay you to post this shit LMAO

>>508958286
Why? Are you suffering the severe delusion that exercise doesn't work without jewish pharma drugs after 25?

>>508957574
>i could argue with his points
>insulting him is a good substitute
>i'll ignore everything else and pick out this one line to instantiate my preconceived notions
just trying to help you understand. i don't really care if you do or if you don't but if even one incel reads anything from this thread and hops on gear, my mission will be accomplished. if you wanna be a fat tub of shit or an emaciated twink rotting from the birth control metabolites women piss out into the water table for our consumption (water filtration systems don't impede this btw) be my fucking guest. either get overwhelmed by the endocrine war the elites are waging or fight back. makes no difference to me. for a place where posters congregate to congratulate each other for being fringe, you fuckers sure are quick to hate on actual behaviors that are on the edge.

>>508958238
>Nobody has any clue how the endocrine system works
>It's just some magic black box that no one has ever studied
>Just go swimming twice a week, bro

>>508944800 (OP)
If you have money you should just carve out more free time for yourself and work out more. It only takes a year or two to get a good body and you avoid any side effects of blasting whatever mystery juice you can get your hands on.

>>508952992
Holy fuck that's actually scary. What happened to him?
>>508955769
LOL

>>508958329
Answer the question.

>>508958039
>No one has any clue
>I have no idea who Ray Peat is
you are projecting. TRT would probably help just about every dude in this thread in nearly every way imaginable. we don't have access to a healthier food source and environment like our grandfather's did. you could blast tf out of DHT and grandpa would still have more than you because he has more 5AR receptor sites. Even the fresh 'healthy' organic food is heavily demineralized from depleted soils. It's not the same world anymore

>>508945808
>Basically trannies desu
i keep trying to remind people that all body mod schizos are on the same frequency
a woman getting a boobjob and a man getting a dick enlargement are two sides of the same coin of insecurity in respect to their masculinity/feminity

>>508958238
you're so smug and convinced you're correct. you got your bloodwork done, midwit? let's have a look at that free test and those serum levels.

>>508958571
Exactly and the funniest part is the overwhelming majority of women aren't even attracted to body builders but gay men sure are

also the same insecure mindset seeking validation as the gymcel roider or the manlet who breaks his legs and installs screws to gain height

they're all just deeply broken and insecure about something and they go to extreme measures to cope

>>508958385
>if you wanna be a fat tub of shit or an emaciated twink rotting from the birth control metabolites women piss out into the water table for our consumption (water filtration systems don't impede this btw) be my fucking guest.
See, here you go again with your emotional and irrational outbursts. You're trying to create the presumption that the only way to counteract exposure to a hormone disrupting environment is by disrupting your hormones even more by injecting jew pharmashit.

But that is of course not true. I already explained to you how you actually do that, you do it by consuming clean food, you don't do it by injecting hormones in DIY fashion. Not consuming hormone laden slop is not really that hard at all. All it takes is some discernment, time and care. A simple rule even your feminized brain can follow: don't eat a single thing your great grandfather wouldn't eat, and get it from normal farms that produce shit in a natural way. Now you have solved every single problem that exists with hormone disruptors in the modern jewish food chain, and you can stop injecting yourself with your troon drugs.

>>508958400
>>508958545
>TRUST DA SCIENCE
Kek. Your faggot scientists have no fucking clue. You're not better than trannies or covidiots.

>>508958598
Yes, I am correct. Clean natural living and healthy exercise produces a clean, healthy body and mind. The fact that you roidtrannies even think you can argue with this with muh jew science and your emotional faggotry is just funny. Sad, but funny.

>>508955951
It's not about something being wrong with your natural body, it's about something being wrong with the modern environment that has damaged people's natural bodies.

>>508958303
>ad hom, baseless assumption
>doesn't interact with any points
fuck right off. pfizer pushed the vaxx. i did not get the vaxx. pfizer does produce test cypionate but I buy enanthate. works just fine, if not a little better. i'll tell you what they don't produce though, DHT. and the only reason we even care about Test is because we want the effects of DHT.

>>508944800 (OP)
Zyzz died because of them.

>>508958598
He's obviously some retarded college kid that thinks it's gonna be this easy forever.

>>508958650
they're all lifting for ego and validation, just for looks, and many will openly and readily admit this, but they get sucked into the 'lifestyle' because everything today is a marketable lifestyle with various merch to sell to people

it's sad and unfortunate many of these also affect health

>>508958530
I'm over 25 and he is 100% correct. You don't A: eat enough (proteins especially) B: don't work out correctly or hard enough
you don't need to work out 5-6 times a week to see results. you need to eat properly and get enough sleep, limit alcohol

i work out 5-6 times 40-50 min at a time doing PPL. but i could definitely do less and still see results.
you are just coping instead of taking responsibility for your training.

>>508946801
>your parents fed you slop and didnt force you to play spirts year round or do intense exercise from childhood like the human body craves then youre fucked for life
It's amazing how we can feel your pathetic self conscious failure mindset through the screen. The only person that's failed you is you.
>>508958286
>Life is over after le 25
Another projecting loser with a failure mindset.
>>508953056
>exercising for 3 hours is as unobtainable as 1 million dollars
Lmao holy shit you people are loooooosers lmaooooooooooo

>>508958530
Yes, I am 45.

>>508958732
>baseless assumption
Bro you are literally shilling pharmaceuticals. Glad to see everyone calling you out though

>>508958385
>or an emaciated twink
You mean the body type women are actually attracted to?

>>508958798
Thanks for joining this thread on your cell phone, samefag.
>>508958819
What are the odds that if you turn off the memeflag we're gonna see norway under there?

>>508959118
The roids are making you paranoid

>>508959159
>old soiboy loses his nuts to cancer
>starts blasting test to cope
Many such cases. SAD!

>>508959159
Paranoid doesn't mean wrong.

>>508955556
>and they let their E2 get crazy fucking high. symptoms of estrogen dominance parallel roid rage, irritability, restlessness, bizarre thinking, paranoia, even hallucinations so on and so forth.
So high estrogen just makes you act like a regular woman?

>>508958683
you're actually retarded. first off, when did I get emotional or irrational? I'm arguing not even
>eating clean food
whatever tf you think that is, is capable of offsetting the damage the elites are doing. there is no clean food. that's what you fail to understand. it is severely depleted of nutrients. an orange grandpa would have eaten is substantially more nutritious than what he would be able to get in our current era. you're a gatekeeping fuck who is trying to scaremonger people away from doing something that would help out a majority of people. and on top of that, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about by espousing
>muh clear cut middle of the road can't possibly go wrong advice
you're not 100% wrong but the distinction is that I don't think it's easy as you suggest. picking fresh fruit everyday isn't going to fix a catastrophically fucked up metabolism. you are speaking on things you have no experience in and are offering only speculation.
>Clean natural living and healthy exercise produces a clean, healthy body and mind
>insults others but if you insult me you're the one who is unstable
bro we're just arguing on a forum. if you wanna get emotional because you read a personal attack into my language here, that's on you. not me. so again, here's the thing you fail to understand, clean living is extremely difficult in the current era. you get that now? everything is wrapped in plastic. the plastic gets into the body. it turns on alpha estrogen receptors which are normally shut off after you are born, but you still carry them. it's not really easy to turn them off when they get turned on. that's the simplest way i can explain it. these receptors control communication in the body from the brain. hormones are how the brain interacts with organs that it is not next to. so again, before you accuse anyone of being a roidtranny whatever tf that is, a divorced dad doing TRT is not the same thing as a guy prepping for Mr. Olympia. got it now?

>>508945749
This.

>>508945527
>By healthy I mean something like swimming or calisthenics, not lifting junk.
cardio bunny twink detected
all your other advice was on point though
you don't need roids, but whey powder is a Godsend
also I work out 6 days a week

>>508958876
>conflates big pharma with fringe drug use
>one retarded norwegian is everyone calling me out
>on an underwater basket weaving forum
ok

>>508959445
Ok, let's take swimming then, since that what you roidtrannies singled out. Swimming is especially offensive to the average roidhomo liftbro, since the average roidhomo can't swim 50 meters without having a heart attack or sinking like a stone

So let's take the roider "truth" we've seen in emotional response to my posts:
>swimming 3 times a week will produce 0 results
What going from doing zero exercise (which is the standard for most people in clown world) to swimming three times a week will do for you, is to massively improve your core strength and endurance. If you keep it up a year, you'll notice all those aches and pains you have in your back and joints go away. In two years, you'll be running up a set of stairs without breaking a sweat or becoming short of breath. And you'll be leaving this roidogre behind, as he is having an asthma attack at the second step.

So no, it's not that you have zero results from something like swimming. It's just that it's not measured in a big, muscular, bouncy buttocks that the other homos at the gym can look at and "mire". But then again, I didn't at all say that you should just do swimming. I said you should do varied forms of exercise towards functional strength, which is what an actually healthy physique is about. So do a bit of swimming, do a bit of calisthenics, even do a bit of lifting of course, as long as that's not the only thing you do.

And doing this three times a week is MILES better than not exercising at all. Remember, again, the reason for exercising should be to have a functional, healthy body. Not to satisfy the demented body dysphoria of the pharmachugging roidtranny.

>>508952111
>>508952152
>>508957032
Are steroids for gay men or something? Every picture I see of someone who's ripped looks rather gay.

>>508959471
You sound vaxxed

>>508959383
Nope, you're 100% retarded. That clean food doesn't exist is just your cope and sneed, to justify your addiction on tranny drugs. Of course clean food still exists, your whole position is laughable.

And even assuming your ridiculous idea was true, and no clean food existed anymore (would mean all hope was lost) the solution would certainly not be to shoot up hormones to offset it. Kek.

>>508957032
>brown nipples

>>508958916
this actually made me kek thanks. i'll answer literally though. bigger actually is better. women want to feel small compared to you. that's just how it is. i don't make the rules

>>508959529
100 percent. Why do you think women are obsessed with BTS and not macho man randy savage?

>>508959383
He's clearly mentally unstable, I blame hypoxia from his strenuous training of "swimming a couple times a week."

>>508959474
I notice you made no effort to deny the twink accusations.

>>508959318
yeah i forget the stat but most people attribute blacks having more test when in reality their E2 is about 40% higher on average than any other race. which should make sense given they're the ones renowned for flipping tf out over a singular word being used.

>>508959601
Yes, recommending eating clean food, avoiding obesity and normal human physical exercise is "mentally unstable"...

To the demented mind of the body dysphoric, pharma chugging, science believing roidtranny.

>>508959474
>t's not measured in a big, muscular, bouncy buttocks that the other homos at the gym can look at and "mire"
not beating those twink accusations anytime soon

>>508947048
I'm 193lbs, 6'. About 15% body fat. 41 years old, I run 5 miles in 35 mins, swim 2 miles in 45 and only do calisthenics and 25lbs dumbbells at home.

Idk what my test levels are, my doctor only sees me for 10 mins every other year and never has me do blood work.

>>508959601
haha yeah he doesn't know shit about cortisol or prolactin. DHT will literally prevent cortisol from being formed. I would imagine you would want more men to be calm and collect under pressure while feeling increased impetus for in-group pressure but I guess some people are purists in a world of impurity.

>>508959638
>>508959702
I don't have to engage with your body dysphoria at all.

>>508959529
Yes. Look at lists of who women consider to be the sexist men and it will become very obviously

No, they aren't, you are lying.

>>508944800 (OP)
roids make you based

>>508959563
You dont need roids to physically mog any woman.
Unless you are a tiny manlet...
You arent a tiny manlet and this isnt what all your roid cope is about?

>>508959761
These zionist Jews are trying to hook you on drugs.

>>508959544
ok i'll bite. what are clean foods to you?

>>508959563
So why is kpop so popular with women?

>>508959590
like randy savage is an incel kek

>>508959711
>my doctor only sees me for 10 mins every other year and never has me do blood work.
canadian “healthcare”

>>508944800 (OP)
sad if true

>>508959687
no the issue stems from your lack of understanding the human body and your facile fixation on this pedantic Gogginshead psychological bootstrapping

>>508959863
That doesn't answer my question

>>508959893
Don't worry it's not

>>508959816
Find farms that produces things in natural ways. There are shitloads of such farms, all over the west. The type of people who grain feed their cattle and don't shot them up with hormone treatments. Produce that's grown naturally. Fish from the ocean. That's clean food, like clean food has been produced for tens of thousands of years.

That I even have to explain this to you makes me very sad.

>>508959711
>5 miles in 35 mins
pretty fucking good

>>508959474
>27 pbtid
>Joined on at least 2 other devices
>Still getting blown the fuck out
Unc's crashing out hard, frfr.
Dude just admit that your advice was overly simplistic and might not work for everybody, that's all you have to do. It's not like this all means anything, it's OK to be wrong sometimes.

>>508959920
No, the problem really stems from you being a mentally ill drug addict with a tranny-like body dysphoria going on. Nothing else.

>>508959995
he’s probably just too poor to afford real food. you can find it with ease here, but it’s not Walmart prices.

>>508959766
wasn't talking about mogging women. if we're specifically referring to the context of attracting a mate, being bigger is literally better.

>>508960045
>Unc's crashing out hard, frfr.
Hello nigger.

>Dude just admit that your advice was overly simplistic and might not work for everybody
Nothing wrong with my advice at all. It's you roidtrannies who are wrong, but you will never admit to that. I don't expect you to any more than I expect a tranny admitting he's not a woman.

But other, more mentally healthy, people can read my posts and see the reason of it. Of course your body does not need jewish hormone drugs added to it... I mean, duh.

>>508959995
I meant grass feed, of course.

>>508960045
>Unc's crashing out hard, frfr
Glad to know at least it's mostly non whites killing themselves with this kike poison

>>508945128
>dont mess with hormone drugs
This. I'm still mad that I took androstenedione back when it was all the rage
>be 18 year old with more natural testosterone than my body knows what to do with
>take hormonal supplements to try to get that extra little bit of muscle
It was gay, and a waste of time.

Also for any guy who cares: most women really aren't attracted to the big buff gym dude
>why?
1. It isn't natural, and there is no genetic history among humans where steroid monsters existed and routinely mated with women.

2. Women know that a man has to spend a lot of time, energy, and money to look huge, and that means the man isn't spending that time, energy, and money on her. It's similar to women hating seeing men have fun with hobbies. She views those hobbies as competition for resources.

3. Bodybuilders have the nastiest gas and shits. It is part of being with a bodybuilder, and it isn't pleasant.

>>508959733
that is some hella projection my dude, stop drinking cum and do a pushup

>>508960258
Bro... I'm the one recommending people doing pushups here... you're the one recommending they inject tranny drugs made by jews. And you're telling me I'm projecting. Wew.

>>508959711
You probably also work out a lot more than swimming 3 times a week, correct?

>>508960043
Well to be honest it fluctuates. On some days it's 40, on bad days it's over that, but those are rare now. The heavier I get the slower I run, it's why I don't do heavy body building. I'm the type that builds muscle by just glancing at weights.
When I was 183 I was scratching at 30 mins for 5 miles.

>>508945236
>source
>your ass

>>508960127
All you have to do is be bigger than a woman.
You exposed yourself as an autismo since you think being the biggest chimp in your gym is a precursor to getting pussy.
Thats obviously wrong since your dad would have never had you if your line of thinking was true.

>>508960170
Where have I advocated using steroids? You gaslight like a BPD woman.

>>508959863
I mean he's a corpse now, but yeah after his divorce he was knee-deep in pussy.

>>508959995
>pedantic condescension
>when being asked a simple qualifier to understand his position
no you goober, I wanna know what YOU think it is. you argue like a woman.
>cows from the field
>grain fed as if corn isn't loaded with PUFA
>fish from the ocean
>just whatever fish fuck it doesn't matter
>grown naturally
>it's completely the same
>no amount of waste dumping during the post-Industrial era has had any impact whatsoever
go ahead and tell me your supplement stack. you gonna recommend omega-3s to me now? or tell me how antibiotics are bad? you've already confirmed to me multiple times you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about but you're convinced you're 100% correct.

>>508960310
>>508960363
apparently he's a newfag that never learned to follow ID's

>>508960344
You trust the pharmaceutical companies? Even simple OTC drugs like Tylenol and Ibuprofen causes major health problems

>>508960321
You're still acting like I ever said that swimming 3 times a week will give you a roidogre physique. While what I actually said is that exercising three times a week will give you a healthy body, compared to the baseline in western societies, which is no exercise at all.

But I know you roidtrannies especially hate swimming, since your dysfunctional strength can't handle something like swimming or walking stairs at all.

>>508960045
haha he bit the bait so hard

>>508960230
The poison of "working out more than 3x a week"?

>>508944800 (OP)
Man I'm 35 and I started blasting gear at 27 so I guess I can somewhat answer some of your questions.
I started taking testosterone at 27 years old when I felt I'd 'peaked'. It immediately gave me a second wind until 33, literally a second puberty. My sex drive exploded, I gained 15kgs of muscle - and quite organically too I wasn't going to the gym regularly.
At 33 I felt like the second wind was more or less over and basically dropped off TRT completely. My sex drive was basically non-existent. I'd take some occasionally and have a little burst of youth but otherwise I could go a week or more without so much as masturbating.
Now at 35 I've realized I just need to get back on test and stay on it.
I don't really know what lessons there are from that, I was never really sexually active before I took testosterone anyway. The moment I took test, I was horny all the fucking time, and would happily slam some fat cunt all night long. Around 30 I spent 6 months fucking this fat, ugly 17 year old and I was all about it. Now I can barely get my dick hard half the time. Is it because of testosterone or depression or microplastics idfk man
you do you boo

>>508952111
>>508952152
Yates is so based. He openly denies the holohoax

>>508960383
>go ahead and tell me your supplement stack
Kek, what fucking "supplement stack." Look at this demented roidtranny... he's trying to catch me out on what clean food is and then he instantly veers off into what jewish lab drugs people should eat.

You... are mentally ill... bro.

>>508960310
No you aren't, you recommended just taking a little swim 3 times a week you fucking buffoon.
It's OK dude, just say "Alright you guys got me, you need to work a little harder than I suggested."
It's not that serious.

>>508960321
Three times a week I run 5miles to the pool and then swim 2.
Three other times a week, I do calisthenics and dumbbells for 50 mins.
Sunday is off.
For a few months out of the year I work th harvest. Asparagus in the spring, apples in the fall. Otherwise I'm at my computer all day every day, extremely sedentary.
I also eat a lot of bread and cheese and pastries... My diet is like 70% grains.

>>508959839
Because it's a girly music genre?

>>508945527
I don’t know why this is so hard for fittards to accept but we live in a world where many people are metabolically dysfunctional. It is not as simple as “eat whole foods and get exercise”. I’ve known people who worked out every single day, played sports, ate normally, did everything a person is supposed to do to be fit and healthy and yet were top end of overweight or bottom end of clinically obese per BMI. There is clearly something wrong with them hormonally that is probably being caused by vaccines or some shit and people just gaslight them about eating fewer calories. It’s ridiculous.

>>508960697
>No you aren't, you recommended just taking a little swim 3 times a week you fucking buffoon.
Has this become canon in your roided out microbrain now or something?

What I said was:
>>508945527
>All you need to actually do is eat somewhat clean food, not let yourself become fat, and work out by doing some actually healthy workout 3+ times a week. By healthy I mean something like swimming or calisthenics, not lifting junk. Then you will have a nice healthy body and mind.

That's for a healthy body and mind, the things you don't have. Demented roidtranny.

>>508960712
No because the men are androgynous twinks, just like the beetles

>>508960771
>It is not as simple as “eat whole foods and get exercise”.
Yep, it's that simple.

This problem you have is not a "metabolic problem" at all. It's a mental problem.

>>508960043
Also I converted wrong. I run 7,2km in 35 mins, that's 4.5 miles not 5.

>>508960372
I had such a huge crush on Left Eye when I was a little kid

>>508946801
People nowadays will grow up fat WHILE they play sports and clean and then when they’re adults go to their doc and say “doc I don’t get it, I eat right, exercise, do everything I’m supposed to and I’m still fat as hell, can I check my hormones” and the doc will still deny them a referral for a hormonal panel.

We literally make people sick and then gaslight them about the cure or outright deny them the ability to get it.

Most of you don't even eat appropriate macros so it's not like juice is gonna help you that much desu. Learn how to actually have an appropriate diet first

>>508960899
>will grow up fat WHILE they play sports and clean
Yeah no shit roidtranny. I know you are an old unathletic fuck that is coping with roids but being a fat fuck was a regular thing if you wanted to make the football team as a lineman.

>>508960907
NO! Give me miracle pills that immediately gets rid of all bodyfat and gives me muscles bigger than Arnold. So I can eat whatever looks tasty and not workout at all. And make it cheap too!

All young men aged 16-35 should INSIST on getting full hormonal panels done semi-regularly. If you’re anything other than perfectly healthy, there’s a good chance you are hormonally dysfunctional. And here’s the kicker: it’s not natural, it’s not caused by your diet (usually), it’s not caused by your sleep (usually), it’s literally caused by fucked up modernity pumping the water with estrogen and aluminum in the 80 vaccines you were forced to get when you were a kid.

I realize it’s inconvenient to accept that you might need to dose a steroid to reach a healthy hormonal profile, but that just might be the hand you were dealt. If you can fix your hormones naturally, by all means. But at the very least, testing should be required. You have to INSIST with your doctor. Go through doctors until you find one that will do it.

>>508960826
>I didn't recommend just swimming 3x a week!
>See, look at this copied part of my comment where I recommend swimming 3 times a week

>>508945128
>90% of zoomer men I see are scrawny and effeminate
the fact that you don't see this as an issue is what I am contending. but then you wanna sperg out and virtue signal clean eating and repeat 'roidtranny' ad infinitum
>>508960243
>most women really aren't attracted to the big buff gym dude
yes and no. we all know you can't trust what a woman says. going forward with that, having more physical size is going to improve your odds period.
>It isn't natural
This is just speculation. McDonald's is easily well more sought after than going to the grocery store and buying your own shit and cooking at home. "Natural" depending on how you define it, doesn't have much bearing.
>no genetic history among humans where steroid monsters existed and routinely mated
the point I've been trying to make is that most men are kneecapped. There is a war on testosterone. Test is physically in your body but in the current era, the levels are substantially lower. All androgens actually, including DHT and your 5AR receptors which convert Test into DHT. 2nd century Romans would mog tf out of the average American. So, anything that pushes masculinization back to that standard isn't going to be a bad thing even if there are some health consequences. The key is to be smart about use.
>She views those hobbies as competition for resources
If we want to get into what actually attracts a mate, it's going to be agency. Having those hobbies in place gives her pressure and tension to compete for you in the first place. Now she is the one who has to qualify herself to you. Sidenote, I have had women giddily squeal when I tell them I use gear, then we fucked. It's degenerate af sure, and I regret doing it, but it is a vector to sexual success. And there is something to be said about having the money to roid.
>Bodybuilders have the nastiest gas
only from eating indigestible garbage. I don't have that issue unless I eat goyslop. so again, boils down to diet and not the hormones in the body

>>508960907
The “appropriate” macros depend entirely on your metabolism which is dependent on healthy to optimal hormonal function you dumbass.

>>508961069
And then when they turn 30 their hormones are permanently fucked from spending the last 20 years overweight to obese. You would have them live the rest of their life as a ballooning whale.

>>508961153
>>See, look at this copied part of my comment where I recommend swimming 3 times a week
... for a healthy body and mind. Yes.

You're acting like I said you could acquire your unhealthy roidtranny physique by doing this. I assume because you equate being a roidtranny with being healthy.

But that's on you and your mental illnesses.

>>508961154
Where did I say this is not an issue?

>>508961115
>If you’re anything other than perfectly healthy,
What is "perfectly healthy"? No regular or recurring pain anywhere? Not getting sick one or twice a year? Not having your workout times and places change?

>>508960907
People don't take steroids for health benefits they do it because they got conned into thinking it will get them a gf

>>508961257
You're the only one saying anything about steroids, bud. Are the steroids in the room with you right now?

>>508961303
What the fuck, are you having a mental breakdown right now or something? That's what the whole discussion is about in this thread.

>>508960870
That’s objectively, scientifically bullshit. If you are metabolically dysfunctional, manipulating your macros, exercising to burn calories, none of that will work.

If this weren’t true, hormones wouldn’t work in the first place. Use your brain. If you dose insulin to fix metabolism, what does that mean if you don’t use insulin? It means you won’t work normally. No amount of exercise can save you.

Hormones are everything. If they’re not healthy to optimal, you’re fucked. Period. No exceptions.

>>508960885
Cody?

>>508961373
>That’s objectively, scientifically bullshit.
Well, I guess I got deboooooooooooooonked by the science believing roidtrannies then.

Keep juicing the jew pharma drugs, my ogres.

Your body needs it!

>>508960361
>being the biggest chimp in your gym is a precursor to getting pussy
bro I've been lifting natty for 8 years. size isn't the only factor but if we're speaking solely in the context of what ingratiates a woman vs. what doesn't and how you can tip the scales in your favor, roid usage will have that impact of accruing more muscle mass. never said I think being the biggest guy is a necessary precursor. i had a high school sweetheart when I was wrestling. wasn't using any gear then either. The lifting and shit, I don't do that for anyone else. I do it for me because it helps me do everything I need to.
I think this is the third or fourth time ITT where us roiders (all 2 of us? i think) are essentially saying something to the effect of
>well steroids will help you build muscle
>this is a faster avenue to benching 225 (or whatever, this is a placeholder)
and then you guys go
>yeah well you don't need roids to bench 225 so checkmate
and no man, it's way simpler than that. you guys are getting wrapped around the axle over something that doesn't really incur that much controversy. you just don't see it yet because as it exists in your mind, it is still too taboo

>>508961373
GOOD. You dysgenic fucks should die or be slaves to mexican hormone labs for the rest of your lives but dont pretend that being a testlet is normal for actual men.

>>508961471
Im happy for you tranny. Those muscles really have you rolling in pussy and money.

>>508960537
really i was just making a point about how your understanding of nutrition is so infantile I could see you saying other things in lockstep which would indicate your facile position

>>508961272
Perfectly healthy = no major biomarkers for disease, not obese or overweight, no nagging symptoms, etc.

You know what perfectly healthy is. Like if you’re going to play dumb your opinion just gets discarded.

>>508961579
>eating clean natural food is infantile
>you have to have a proper jew "supplement stack" and inject the hormones your body needs
k, I think we're done here.

>>508961443
So to be clear, you think someone with diabetes should just eat whole foods and exercise rather than take insulin because they wouldn’t want to be a roidtranny now would they?

>>508961609
>Perfectly healthy = no major biomarkers for disease, not obese or overweight, no nagging symptoms, etc.
That's me. Haven't been to the doctor in 20 years. Perfect health.

>>508960429
I sure af don't the only 'safe' drugs/supps out there are gonna be
>aspirin
>vitamin d3
>vitamin k2
>T3/T4
I don't get my exogenous hormones from a doctor. I don't even trust cypionate as an ester

>>508961153
Swimming three times a week is already a huge improvement for a lot of people. Back when that was the only exercise I did, I definitely think wasn't as fit as I am now but it still kept me from getting fat, gave me a much stronger back and shoulders than most, kept me flexible endurant and strong enough for any day to day or occasional effort needed. I wouldn't slam anyone who's only exercise was three sessions of vigorous swimming a week.

>>508961497
Post your wrist you projecting homo

>>508961671
I think that if you're that much of a fat fuck that you need insulin injections to live, then you should probably kill yourself. Not that you have to kill yourself, because you'll be dead in less than 10 years regardless.

What this has to do with you taking hormones like a tranny, I'll never know.

>>508961355
Fun thing about 4chan, newfriend- you can look in the top left part of a post and see the posters ID. I understand that you're under a lot of stress right now, but you can actually follow the people who are responding to you and read their individual arguments.
The only person I have seen recommending medication is doing so for cases where metabolic damage has occurred- that's an entirely reasonable viewpoint. I don't understand why you're choosing to die on this hill, it seems pretty easy to say "OK, maybe what worked for me won't work for everyone else."
Let's dove into that a little bit- why do you have such a hard time accepting that your experience may be different from others? It's very interesting, I'd like to know the reasoning behind it.

>>508961674
Okay. So maybe you don’t have any hormonal problems. But TONS of people do. As I said, you have people who have done everything right for their entire adult lives and yet are mysteriously terribly overweight and retards like you just insist they’re not eating clean or exercising enough when they have an actual disease akin to diabetes.

I can guarantee you that lawyers and agents within the US government are making straw purchases of these substances to build cases that never make headlines

>>508961739
So people get injected with vaccines that are known to cause hormonal dysfunction when they’re babies and when that hormonal dysfunction rears its head as adults they should just kill themselves?

I just want to be clear about what kind of person we’re being asked to take advice from here…

>>508961609
"Perfectly" is kinda hard to pin down. What I described I would consider to be "healthy'. Like the baseline. Perfectly healthy I think would require both medical and exercise testing to establish.

>>508961751
Not at all. Eating clean quality food, not becoming fat and exercising regularly works for absolutely everyone. You will be healthy in mind and body if you do. There is not a single person this simple protocol wouldn't work for.

You're just coping because you're a degenerate drug/slop addict.

>>508961704
>Perfectly healthy = no major biomarkers for disease, not obese or overweight, no nagging symptoms, etc
Your own words little man. Maybe if your dad roided before he fucked your mom lamarckianism vis a vis epigenetics would have saved you from having to spend money on steroids. Maybe not since it sounds like you are allergic go everything.

>>508960491
sounds like your Test to DHT to ratio is fucked up. try to get your hands on some DHT enanthate too. It'll help those libido sensations. I personally am a NEVERGOON bro so I'm sitting over here with supraphysiological levels of test and DHT trying to go to church and do the right thing. iirc for a libido you want a 4:1 ratio of test to DHT. helps to run aromatase inhibitors on top of it. but there's no way you should be crashed out at 35, idgaf how much test you used when you were younger.

>>508961776
>people who have done everything right for their entire adult lives and yet are mysteriously terribly overweight
I can't even deal with this level of delusion. It's 100% impossible to be fat unless you eat more than your body needs.

>>508961700
Just to clarify, I'm not shitting on anyone for swimming 3 times a week. But I am 100% going to shit on someone who claims that's all the exercise that every single person would need to stay healthy.

>>508961853
Perfectly healthy is a colloquial way of saying you have no major risk factors dumbass.

You guys are giving advice and then exposing yourselves as complete buffoons. Anyone who listens to you is a moron.

>>508961739
Insulin is a hormone, you fucking retard.

>>508961933
>But I am 100% going to shit on someone who claims that's all the exercise that every single person would need to stay healthy.
Well, I never said that. But still... what amount of exercise do you think a person needs to be healthy?

>>508961776
>you have people who have done everything right for their entire adult lives and yet are mysteriously terribly overweight
americans unironically believe this

>>508961927
>your body needs
Depends on your hormonal functioning you fucking moron.

What do you not get about this? It is why steroids work at all in the first place.

>>508961990
Yes?

>>508962027
You're not fat because of your hormones, you're fat because you stuff way too much food into your faggot mouth, you retard.

>>508961962
Calm down, I just asked a simple question to establish what your definition of a term is. I can't read your mind and "perfectly healthy" isn't as universal a definition as you think it is.

>>508961927
America's food supply is poisoned, you idiot. That's why people will visit other countries and lose weight despite eating like assholes on vacation.

>>508961115
FUCKING THANK YOU
been trying to say this the whole time and I have some pissed off norwegian dumbass spamming every other message I make saber rattling his ostensibly ubiquitous advice.
the body literally makes steroids. using test isn't some big bad scary super soldier serum shit that's gonna turn you into a talmudic cave troll just for glancing at a vial of it.

>>508962130
There are shittons of decent farms that produce food in natural ways, all over America. Again: you're just coping to justify your drug/slop addiction.

>>508962024
It’s not a belief. It’s empirically true. It’s objectively true scientific fact that hormonal function determines metabolic rate which in turn determines weight loss/gain. And your idea that hormonal function is necessarily acquired as a result of your free choices about the food you eat is a /fit/tard fantasy. There are chemicals I could inject you with right now that would permanently change your metabolic rate regardless of what you do about it. This is why hormones like insulin work at all in the first place.

>>508962130
Americans lose weight abroad because it turns out yuropoors and chinks cant even afford to carbo load their goyslop lmao at you crying about insulin at the same time.

>>508944800 (OP)
What does this stuff in OPs pic. do?

>>508956290

Raw meat consumption is higher in those countries overall, less toxic sugar/carb based foods in general, children are breast fed longer in African countries, and children are exposed to less toxic vaccines and the like in African countries.

Of course, all of this is subject to change as the NWO continues to fuck with Africa.

>>508944800 (OP)
>blasting as many steroids as they can
They are still faggots

>>508961683
>I don't trust doctors
>That's why I inject myself with something a random Chinese guy made in his bathtub

>>508962225
eating above your maintenance calories isn't "done everything right". no matter what tou have to eat above maintenance calories to get fat so there's not such thing as "mysteriously" overweight

>>508962018
Food intake is a function of hormonal action. Ghrelin, Leptin, Glucagon, Insulin- they all go into the "Eat/Don't Eat" decision. It really shouldn't even be possible for anyone to get fat on an individual pevel, let alone population-wide. In the natural state the "Eat/Don't Eat" decision is pegged right in line with the person's caloric needs. American food is poisoned with chemicals that move the needle in favor of the "Eat" side of things.
>>508962018
It's going to be different for everyone, but when metabolic damage exists you will have to break your ass just to get to baseline.

>>508962293
Gets you yoked and cut and makes you gay.

>>508961257
the issue is that your prescription as you so smugly continue to repeat it, fails to address some of the greater overarching issues that the population at large suffers under. as one poster ITT stated, you would evidently prefer most of these fatsos out here to remain a
>ballooning whale
now you're just backpedaling and reading the first five words of a message and nitpicking the fuck out of everything. the discussion has heavily devolved (for you) into minutiae and I have better shit to do than to argue semantics with you. again, you argue like a woman and you haven't refuted the core of any of my arguments because you already overstepped. but I'll run it back one more time. the dude with 200 ng/dL is not going to benefit from anything you have said in this thread. not a damn thing. you just don't know what testosterone is apparently. which is fine. it's scary to a lot of people but don't you think that fingerprint has been co-opted and propagandized for a reason? you ever wonder why it's still illegal without a prescription? or is that lost on you, too?

>>508944800 (OP)
doesnt matter heard from guys that do all this shit and they mostly say they'd just revert back to how they were before they started so what the point? ego mostly.

>>508944800 (OP)
>Accelerated aging
>Ruins metabolism
>Fucks up liver heart and often kidneys
>Infertile
>30 seconds to TROON
>Causes abnormal growth throughout the body

>>508962485
So if your maintenance calories are 500 cals per day because your so metabolically fucked that you can’t metabolize more without fat gain, you should just eat 500 calories every day?

You don’t even seem to know that when it comes to LBM, sleep, muscle gain, all of these are not even calorically based but almost exclusively hormonal. If you started injecting Testosterone right now you would gain more lean body mass (I.e. muscle) even if you didn’t change your calories or work out at all. That means this idea that calories can manipulate your LBM and make you healthy is a fucking lie. Yeah, you can lose weight. Weight, including muscle. Is that healthy? Fuck no.

Cals In-Cals Out dogmatists are the ultimate pseuds. That’s only true if you have healthy functioning hormones which you retards just assume is true even though all medical science indicates the contrary.

>>508962509
>Food intake is a function of hormonal action.
No it's not. Your tranny hormones do not reach out and physically compel you to shove that McBurger into your fat maw, bending your arm up to your mouth. That's all you and your lack of control over yourself.

>>508962607
>the issue is that your prescription as you so smugly continue to repeat it, fails to address some of the greater overarching issues that the population at large suffers under
No it doesn't, because your "issues" are just copes and mental illness.

The fact of the matter is that if you eat clean healthy food, not in excess so you don't get fat, and regularly do some healthy exercise... then you will be healthy in body and mind, just like I said.

Now, you can cope and sneed over this as much as you want, but that's the simple truth.

If you've disregarded this simple protocol in your life to the degree that now you're a huge sack of lard that needs insulin to live... well, ok, you fucked up in this life and there is no hope for you. Kill yourself, you disgusting blob.

>>508961576
they literally do though

>>508961627
>misquotes me
>bastardizes my position
>declares victory
ok
>>508961674
>Perfect health
highly doubt it. almost everyone is hypothyroid.
>>508962451
even if I did buy shit from China (I don't) if you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it

>>508962709
>So if your maintenance calories are 500 cals per day because your so metabolically fucked that you can’t metabolize more without fat gain, you should just eat 500 calories every day?
in that case you're a literally a baby. though if your maintenance calories are extremely low you should do bloodwork and fix it so you don't die. you think cico doesn't matter because you're too dumb to properly count calories

>>508962909
You paid some steroid dealer to achieve what any grown man without gross metabolic deficinecies like you could achive without damaging your organs. Let me get your hookup for Bank Account Growth Hormone breh we are all going to make it.

>>508944800 (OP)
Co worker was on trt and it worked. He was a bit unhinged and his gains faded when he quit taking it. That shit isn't cheap either.

I’m tried of debating with you pseuds and morons. Here are the facts:
> calories, macros, micros, are all very important but the simple manipulation of calories up or down based on some calculated rate presupposes roughly normal metabolic function
> the reason you can plug your height and weight into a calculator and it spits out a rate of calorie burn which you can then use to calculate maintenance is because it supposes a normal distribution of rates, the rate is pegged to those inputs
> we know that a great many people DO NOT have normal metabolic function
> in these people, their metabolic dysfunction is almost always caused by hormonal dysfunction
> so for people with hormonal dysfunction that presupposed rate which is used in those calculations is fucking useless
> it doesn’t matter how many or how little calories you eat, what your macros are, any of that, if your hormones are so out of whack that you are in a constantly obesegenic state
> therefore if you are struggling with your weight, the very first thing you should look at it is your hormonal profile
> if it’s healthy (not normal) to optimal, THEN you stick to calories, macros
> it’s not healthy, you need to address that first otherwise the other shit is in vain
> this is objectively true, scientifically empirical medical science that is totally indisputable and anyone who tells you otherwise is either a pseud or a liar
> telling someone who has a dysfunctional hormonal profile to just eat fewer calories is like telling a diabetic to power through their diabetes - it’s fucking retarded
> doctors don’t care about you enough to test your hormones, that’s why they don’t explain this to you or send you for a profile, you have to INSIST on it yourself

>>508963088
Ok so someone who is diabetic but eats at their expected maintenance of day 2000 calories should never get fat right?

Fucking moron.

>>508963165
>it's not my fault I'm a disgusting sack of lard
>it's my hormones
>my hormones gang up on me and force the McBurger down my throat

>>508963209
What type of diabetes and what age? Not everyone is an old fat fuck like you

>>508961870
>not becoming fat
>just don't be fat bro
absolute dumbass. you still don't get it. what do you do if you're too fat? do you legitimately believe fat loss is that easy?
>just put the fork down
no you fantastically retarded motherfucker if your liver function sucks, your fat in your in your blood will constantly be high at all times. doesn't matter what a fatso eats, they will be having a high fat diet at all times because of what ends up in the bloodstream. the organs control these floodgates.

>>508963306
>you still don't get it. what do you do if you're too fat?
If you're too fat you should kill yourself, I honestly mean that. My advice was obviously geared towards normal humans.

I don't give a shit about trying to give advice to you lards, because just like roidtrannies, you can never really acquire bodily and mental health.

>>508963209
who said anything about expected maintenance? the maintenance calories is amount of calories that causes you to maintain the same weight

>>508963306
>what do you do if you're too fat?
Fat loss is easiest for the very fat. They can stop eating for weeks at a time and move just a little bit and shed pounds insanely fast.
It's when the 600 pounders get close to 200 that shit gets tough and all the damage they did to their body will really get in their way. Before that point though it really is calories in, calories out. Because for them, the calories expenditures for anything is insane. Imagine going about your day to day life carrying 400lbs strapped to yourself.

>>508962293
makes you yoked if you eat a shit ton of food. one of the most powerful anabolics on earth. take generous doses of bromocriptine (anti-prolactin drug, very safe) cyproheptadine (2-4mg) and run concurrently with low dose testosterone. throwing DHT in there shouldn't hurt either. very similar to Masteron without the hair loss effects. you don't want excess transcription of estrogen. unfortunately, it hasn't been studied very extensively so it's a pretty big gamble. highly hepatoxic. milk thistle, aspirin, vitamin d3 are absolute necessities. even then, expect irritability and poor sleep in doses beyond 100mg weekly with eod pinning. night sweats are very real. anything anti-cortisol will help but I didn't find anything that was a good cure-all. Ice cream at night seemed to help.

>>508955294
This is cope, not everyone who lifts is a roidtranny. You will have plenty of carry over between lifting heavy weights and overall strength so long as you don't skip grip day. Moreover, maintaining your bone density is crucial as you age, and you get more of that from lifting than any cardio.

And no, you don't need to grind yourself to dust with shitty form 5pl8 squats, if you go full normalfag and content yourself with 1/2/3/4 you will not do any damage to yourself so long as you don't ego lift to get there.

>>508963757
All I said was that you shouldn't exclusively lift weights to maintain a healthy body. If you take offense with this in any way, there's something wrong with your beliefs and how you think about things.

>>508961901
You're probably right I've just done everything like a meat bag. Just finished peeling the mrs out so it aint all bad, I just remember being hornier.

>>508962867
ok let's cut the shit. what exactly have I said here that is indicative of mental illness? All I've really mentioned is
>if your hormone panel sucks, which for the majority of men it does, TRT is a potent and viable solution
i'm not talking about running grams of shit here and blasting every fucking thing under the sun
then you go
>clean eating
>clean eating
>clean eating
>clean eating
>clean eating
like it's some sage fucking advice and I'm saying, it's not that simple.
>you fucked up in this life and there is no hope for you
you are a cynical sanctimonious elitist sack of shit, fuck you

>>508959118
>What are the odds that if you turn off the memeflag we're gonna see norway under there
Leave newfaggot

>>508963949
I have no idea what a "hormone panel" is. You see, I'm just a perfectly healthy guy who stays perfectly healthy in the simple way people have been staying perfectly healthy for as long as humans have walked this Earth. I eat good clean food, don't let myself become a fat slob and regularly exercise with a broad training regimen.

That's it. I can't tell you what jew drugs to take to make your jew doctor approve of your "hormone panel," I can only tell you how to be a mentally and physically healthy human being.

>>508957150
I know you copped a lot of flak for this post but it's true. Muscle is like money, women notice if you don't have it, but if you have it? They don't care HOW you got it. That nigger selling crack is more appealing to women than some fucking NEET sitting on his imagined high horse talking about morality, and similarly that roid retard looks better to take sexual frustration out on than the sulky autistic skeleton in the corner.

>>508963949
>which for the majority of men it does, TRT is a potent and viable solution
Your doctor is selling you drugs retard. I bet you would have listened to "oxycodone is a perfectly safe non-habit-forming pain management solution" back in 2003 too, retard.

>>508944800 (OP)

Roids can be very dangerous if you do a few things:

1. Buy them from a rogue lab (which is the mass majority) and you get a tainted batch that can poison you.

2. If you take them and don't use an estrogen blocker. You will get bloated as fuck and feel awful.

3. Sometimes even if you do it right, your shrunken balls won't turn back on and you'll be on test replacement until you die.

Recommend to most if you wanna play with THE JUICE get anavar (a more mild steroid that a lot of women use) and an estrogen blocker.

Can still have big gains but it will tax your liver so DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL. Take a ride or two and train like crazy. Get as big/strong as you can and that work gets saved in your muscles make up. Even if you lose a lot of weight/muscles shrink, the muscle itself can return to a large size MUCH faster than someone who has not trained. Nice way to ensure your strength throughout your life.

>>508963124
>gets born in the modern world
>modern world fucks me up long before adulthood
>like millions of other men
>like everyone else isn't circumcised and vaccinated into oblivion
>HAHA FUCK YOU YOU CANT MAKE IT WITHOUT THAT STUFF
>HAHA YOU DAMAGED YOUR ORGANS
>*insert childish joke talking about growth hormone now*
HGH is trash for starters. My organs are not damaged by steroid use. Issues are mediated and health is balanced by proper ratios and countermanding control over neurotransmitters. I got fucked over more than once in my life, and I'd rather take back the control. I'm not gonna get into all the reasons why I do what I do but it beats tf out of the alternative which is hoping on the jew-pharma tranny train of pumping yourself full of SSRIs and SNRIs. So yeah, some of us have to resort to dire measures. Again, if you have a better plan other than to mock someone who is taking back the control and praying on my downfall, which seriously what the fuck kind of man are you? i would love to hear those ideas.

>>508963250
you're so fucking dumb just quit posting. you lost two hours ago

>>508944800 (OP)
I abused anabolic in my early 20's. Now I'm 37 with hypogonadism, and my dick doesn't work. I have no drive for sex or life in general. I've been running tests with my Dr. For the last 6 months and I'm about to go on HRT to mitigate these issues. Those are the long-term effects and these young dumb assholes will learn the hard way just like me. Its sucks when you have a 10/10 Stacy that wants to bang, but you can't get it up.

>>508964584

Brutal. The TRT should help a lot. You will feel like a new man. You've been basically running with the test level of an old man.

>>508964430
>random memeflag WSJ wannabe gymbro posting in his free time
my doctor isn't selling me shit. you don't know the first fucking thing about me. and hell no I wouldn't have in '03. I didn't get the clotshot either. fuck right off with that shit

>>508964439

Also don't fuck with roids until you've trained normally for a year or so. If you don't have the foundation, then you're not going to appreciate or make the best use of roids.

Normies who roid at the beginning get big but lose it all. Roiding WITH great exercise knowledge is the most beneficial. Plus when experienced your gains are much slower but roids can push you into new PRs and help you gain a few new lbs of muscle.

>>508964464
You got dealt a completely shit genetic card in life and thats fine for you to take some agency over it. But you have been talking straight up weird tranny shit about normal people needing to take hormone panels when they are teens. You are a coping loon and I wish for your success whatever that is.

>>508944800 (OP)
>The West
>Every athlete in the East has been popped for roids at least once
Keep my side of the globe out of your mouth

>>508964545
No one must challenge the world view of roiders and trannies, I know.

>>508964908

Every hind end athlete roids in my experience. If they don't and someone else does, they aren't going to stay at that level.

The game is knowing how to use them and then to avoid being dinged on the drug test.

I'd like to see some MMA or other sports where there is no drug testing and people come in all mutated and nuts.

>>508964711
>memeflag
Kys Yankee
>wannabe gymbro posting in his free time
it's called a rest set, lazybones :^) u mad? Gotta lil old faggot on tranny cycle rage?

>>508955294
>If that's all you do, then yeah, that's not really a healthy way to work out. You will damage your ligaments, build muscles that have little practical application for everyday use and a healthy existence and wear out your joints.
This boomer woman tier misinformation. Wrong in every word. Lifting heavy shit builds up your connective tissue too and protects your joints. With the single caveat of using proper form. I have been lifting heavy for 20 years and have zero joint issues of any kind. Any minor overuse injuries can easily be rehabbed and you are way less prone to any serious damage, like throwing out your back while wiping your ass or bending over to pick something up that you dropped. So you can off with your woman-tier take.

>>508962409
Croatia is no2 they are EU and higher than africans

>>508964439
I'd like to add to that
exemestane > arimistane > nolvadex > clomid
anavar is okay, yeah. tainted batches are never fun. I've been on a blast for about 5 months, gonna restart the balls with solo-DHTe therapy. Apparently 20-40mg DHT a week is sufficient to restart the testes. If I was trying to have a kid, I would throw in HCG. Sidenote, roiders notoriously have a disproportionate amount of daughters. Probably has to do with the fact that the gametes that carry the Y chromosome are heavier than the ones with the X chromosome, and they're usually the last out, they also die faster, so I would imagine balls shrinking would fuck them up first. But that's just my conjecture as to why

>>508965200
Ok, I'll wait for you at the top of the stairs and cheer you on, roidhomo.

>>508965221

Brother why would you run a 5 month run? Your balls are in great peril as is your liver.

I'm not your dad of course, just worried about a fellow anon juice maxxer.

Wild lore about having daughters. Interesting. Im trying to find the study to post about the benefits of roiding when young on and off because it makes you permanently stronger the rest of your life, even if you don't train much.

>>508964832
>I can't into DYOR
>therefore you are weird
>take hormone panels when you're a teen
when tf did I mention teens? I guess I'm not opposed to that idea. There are a lot of skinny faggots out there. I just have no idea why the hell this idea about roiding gets so much flak. It would fix a majority of issues from showing up to an interview and getting the job to cold approaching to lifting more weight in the gym to standing up to your prick of a stepfather or whoever tf. You don't think sentiments of loneliness and depression are instantiated by neurochemical activity on some level and that we can remediate the bulk of mental illness by gaining control over our endocrine function? I might be an extreme example but test isn't really that controversial. Been around for a while. Many would stand to gain a great deal from using it. Especially when everyone is already operating at suboptimal levels. You don't think low-T makes it easier for TPTB to control the masses? We are literally in schizo tinfoil hobo bullshit incel central and your advice for joe blow taxpayer who is depressed and on SSRIs would be what exactly? mental illness is at an all time high. I'm over here saying 'HEY GUYS ITS BETTER OVER HERE WITH THIS I GOT SOME SUCCESS' and you miserable fuckers don't even want the solution handed to you on a silver platter.

>>508957150
>scary dog is less likely to get jumped by niggers
More like scary Chihuahua

>>508965108
oh you're one of those natty supremacists. not a yank either. nice try. whatever man, if it's working for you and it aint broke don't fuck with it. but your natty card doesn't mean a fucking thing

>>508965689
Just because you need hormone therapy to get through your daily routine doesn't mean it's for everyone considering how many roiders and trannies are

>>508965689

Agree with you Anon.

Blasting some roids in a controlled way a few times in your early 20's + having dedicated athletic/weight training is just too amazing to miss out on.

Imagine being in college with 3 months off. Juice + gym 4/5 days a week + eat a shit ton of clean protein/multi vit etc.

You'd come out 10-20 lbs bigger and strong as shit and that benefit stays with you forever. With how shitty the average nu-males testosterone level is, it'd change society.

Sadly though, even if you give them the silver platter, they're so estrogenized / bussy maxxing / being a submissive little fag that they lack the ability to do what needs to be done to save themselves from life long worm mode.

>>508964667
My total was sub 250ng/dl with a 300ng/dl bottom range of normal, and my free was 2.5pg/ml with an 8.7pg/ml bottom range of normal. I feel like I'm missing out on such much life and time with my kids and girlfriend. My job is very physically demanding, and it takes everything I have in me to get through a work day. Then, when I get home, I have no energy for my family. I just crash as soon as I shower, and it's tearing me up emotionally. If these kids really knew what they were getting into, they would enjoy their naturally high levels.

>>508965490
>permanently stronger
i slowly increased over time. ran 150mg per week test e for about the first four months, didn't really get into a true blast territory until about 7 weeks ago. i'll taper after two weeks and see where I'm at. not too worried about just test. i take heavy doses of aspirin and eat absurdly clean. orange juice, milk, red meat, liver, oysters, eggs and that's about it for breakfast lunch and dinner. redbull and pepsi are the only things that could be considered bad and that's only because of citric acid, and carmelized sugar which should be offset by the aspirin anyway. it's not perfect. gotta die of something, I guess.

>>508961154
>more size will improve your odds. Period.
Again, false.
Anything past otter/ athletic is reducing your pool of potential mates.
There *are* a small number of women who really like roidlifters, so getting huge will improve your chances with *those* women, but outside of *those* women you are decreasing your odds.

>you can't trust women
No, but you can trust their behavior to tell you the truth, and this is one of the few times where their words match their actions.

You don't have to believe me. Go get really big. Go make it obvious that you devote your free time to the gym. All you will get is the occasional short term fling with a gym whore.

>>508965421
Hey friend. 30yo here. This has been a genuinely interesting topic for me since I'm one of those zero exercise guys. You've convinced me to try to start swimming and calisthenics after I move across country next week. That thing you said about random aches and pains going away, it was like you were speaking right to me. Thanks for effortposting consistently, especially when you're dealing with the circus freaks.

Personally, I think you're deadass on the money with these jist being aging men copping out of honest exercise. Be well.

I'm barely halfway done reading through the thread, good stuff.

>>508966179

No doubt anon. Just after you win whatever your aiming for (a certain max, a competition, a fight etc) cycle off and give yourself an extended break. You've been running like high end factory with all the employees working overtime 24hrs a day for 5 months. Even with the healing power of roids, the rest of the systems will need time to rest / heal. An extended fast can do a lot of it. Over extended roiding can make the bodies natural factory degenerate/shut off and no amount of therapy will wake it back up. Have seen a few guys get that and they're on perma TRT, brutal. Expensive too. If you don't have insurance you are basically doomed to either buy roids forever or live with titties and a woman's level of anxiety.

Anyway, goodluck on your adventure Anon!

>>508966168
what anabolics did you abuse in your 20s? did you take superdrol by the handful, wtf anon? Bro please for the love of God look into Ray Peat. You probably need his work more than I do. Get the sugar up and get some DHT into your system. If I was you, I would pin DHT 20-40mg a week and try to restart those nuts. DHT will also help your free test levels. Do you take any aspirin or anything? Jesus man, I think taking some caffeine at least 200mg daily on top of copious amounts of sugar will at least help that out. Try 2L milk 1L orange daily see if that helps the old energy levels. You have to have sugar for dopamine. Test is not the end all be all.

>>508966168

Might be time to change careers then Anon. You're just gonna get older and the works gonna stay the same. Unless you're doing a trade or something.

Get on TRT. You pulled a bad card but gotta make the best of it now.