Nothing to do with our skills and services.
Its to keep us quiet.
When the patient realizes whats happening its the most horrifying thing for them. You're awake and you feel every slice of the surgeons knife. You just cant move or speak. We can see the terror in your eyes.
Its was never my job to 'put you under'.
My job was to make you forget.

t. former anesthetist. Now making more money selling medical equipment.

>>508968124 (OP)
Except you can tell when this happens because the people who experience it nearly always develop crippling PTSD from it, and when it does happen more often than not the patient has at least some form of lucid residual memory of it, also this shitty slide thread doesn't belong on here.

>>508968124 (OP)
Go smoke 200mcg of medical grade fent off aluminum foil and tell me how much you give a fuck about what's happening to/around you

reminder that we still have no clue how or why anesthesia exactly works

>>508968605
Depends on what exactly is being used, fentanyl is obvious by virtue of it being a very potent opioid.

And why should I give a shit what horrors my former presence has experienced?
I can't remember any of it so it didn't really happen to me.

>>508968863
You get touched in your sleep

>>508968124 (OP)
>anesthetist
If you want to end up like grandpa when give you too much anesthetica, and you're unable to wake up and die as result.
Like farmers, I'm happy to pay extra not die or starve to death

I've been high on many drugs and not felt shit or remembered injuries.

But of course poltard would rather think they're lying about drugs used for anaesthesia and also giving complex doses of paralytics and amnestics just to be a dick.

Nigger .

>>508968124 (OP)
No retard, anusthesia get paid a ton of money because
1.you are the first one to get legal blame in case of things going south and
2. Unions
>>508968605
Some years ago we discovered that some anesthesia put holes in your brain, still the benefits outgrow the risk

>>508969096
At my lowest point I smoked one point of apparently stupidly potent tranq dope in bed and woke up about 1hr later 3 blocks away face down and with a fucked up nearly dead arm from laying on it weird, I have literally no memory or idea of how I even got there to this day.

>>508968124 (OP)
Spill the beans about organs transplant in supposed brain death. Do they paralyze the donor so he can’t move when cut?

>>508968863
you toothpaste faggots should be more advanced simply by virtue of your birthplace yet here we are...
there is more than one "SELF" nigger. You're "subconscious" memory records every single instant and detail without fail and you will relive it in the bardo at the very least.

>>508968605
Who told you this nonsense? Which drug don't we know the pharmacokinetics of exactly?

Wow! And nobody lived to tell the tale! Great thread OP. All fields.

>>508968124 (OP)
Karma is going to get every fag who has ever worked in a hospital, especially during the last five years.

Pain killers are a weapon used by the patriarchy to oppress free thinkers. If you want to be a good ally you need to refuse all anaesthetic before major surgery.
>Anaesthetic is racist.

Going under before an op is one of the nicest feelings I've ever known.

>>508968544
i literally want to do this

>>508968467
Yeah because the BBC threads are so much more interesting

>>508969654
This. But it's funny to watch schizos refuse it. I like their suffering.

>>508969709
All the junkies on r/heroin reckon H is a much more euphoric buzz than fent and don't stop banging on about how they wish they could still get hold of some like the old days.

>>508969709
Please, PLEASE order from the onion fields and don't get this bullshit on the street. It's pure fucking chemical warfare at this point and has been for years. Also stick with pills/7-oh/heroin/raw opium as long as you possibly can because not only are they more euphoric, you'll miss it every single day when your tolerance is destroyed and you can't get high anymore

>>508969654
Laying down on the table feels like being a human sacrifice

>>508968124 (OP)
>My job was to make you forget.
I remember reading about the Toy Box Killer in Arizona, that dude used a combo of to MK Ultra brainwash the girls into forgetting months' worth of traumatic rape and torture

Fucked up world

>>508969900
Fent never took off in yurop like it did here, it's still easy to get there. In fatfuckistan you can still get as much #3 and #4 and tar as you desire, you just have to order it off a DNM because it's nonexistent on the streets

>>508970013
*sodium pentothal and phenobarbital

>>508969333
He's right. Midwits think they know but they don't. As usual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton_model_in_neuroscience#Application_to_anesthesia

>>508970020
I know, the #3 I get from onions is wonderful. I feel blessed, but nitazenes are slowly taking over.

>>508969835
Your sadism stems from body memories related to your circumcision.

>>508968605
Duh, we have no clue how or why most things work. Most electricians don't know how electricity works. Most inventions are just lucky mistakes. Just a lot of trial and error until something works.
>Oh if I do this it will do that
>And if I apply this knowledge to that thing over there...
>And then this thing we discovered last week we get these
>Why does it work tho?
We just don't know

>>508969333
I said to a psychiatrist that thought psych medicine ms are placebo and to persuade me he showed me a textbook with circles as cells and triangles as medicine that fit into a similar triangle slot of “receptors”. Medical education is a scam

>>508968124 (OP)
How you’re so sure everybody forgets?

The former anesthetist returns. Go AMA on reddit.

>>508968124 (OP)
This is the case when you're not fully dosed.
And why wouldn't you be?
Not all surgeons are benevolent people.
Some like cutting you up knowing that you feel everything.
A handful likes making sure you're conscious for it too.
I went through that myself, don't worry Bruce, I know.
It's okay.

>>508968863
Have you ever gone to bed in a home all alone and fallen asleep with the sheets bunched on a corner of the mattress, and you wake up covered under them?

My mom is an RN, she said a fellow RN she worked with woke up during neck surgery and it was the most terrifying thing shes ever experienced. She sued the hospital and everything but it took years of therapy for her to overcome the mental trauma and still work as a nurse.

>>508968124 (OP)
I recently had surgery that needed full anaesthesia, so I can tell you you're full of shit.
>uhm actually you were awake they just wiped your memory
No, because I remember the dream I had while I was under. Get fucked schizo.

>>508968124 (OP)
The only time a patient wakes up is if you don't use enough. Anesthesiologists are paid so much because they are doing a VERY difficult job. They need to poison someone enough to make them unconscious, but not so much their heart stops completely and they die or get brain damage. It is a very delicate line where one mistake could mean a million dollar lawsuit. While they're obviously insured, if you're the doctor who killed a guy, your chance of continuing in that field is slim, so, much like professional athletes, they're paid a lot because their career could be short and they won't have many options after it ends.

But also, just to play into your larp, there is no functional difference between experiencing surgery while being unable to move and then forgetting about it, and just being unconscious. In both scenarios the surgery is done and in both the patient doesn't remember it in their final state.

>>508968124 (OP)
I went under the knife a month back. I don't remember shit after they started pushing the go-to-sleep meds.
Woke up feeling fine. No memory of the procedure. Felt like the best sleep I ever had.
Not saying that some people don't experience issues like you posted, but it's the rare exception.

>>508968124 (OP)
I had a three hour craniotomy.
I am a legend now apparently because I was extremely polite, said pain don't hurt, and kept telling jokes.

>>508973310
They made it so if one of us woke up, the other would go to cover our mouth.

>>508970168
And of course the countless drugs approved that perform near placebo or the studies about them are statistic scams

>>508968124 (OP)
>keep you quiet

lol you’re the biggest cowards

>>508973628
oh, *awake craniotomy
I was awake the entire time but I don't remember it, was in twilight

>>508968124 (OP)
Same reason as always - government interference in economic markets. High barriers to entry + high civil liability for malpractice = high cost professions. Hell surgery is a hand-eye skill. It is likely that tradies would be better at it than people who can get into modern medical schools. The system is ass backwards because of government.

>>508974971
This. It’s brave new world. Government and ama artificially keep doctors limited 1:100,000 while supposedly picking the best and brightest memorizers in the school system, but they’re idiots protected by the establishment. That’s why you don’t see much advancement in healthcare vs say tech/computer sciences, where kids can learn and do tech at a very early age and progress. By the time they’re 20, they’re very knowledgeable whereas a government sanctioned medtard isn’t even in med school yet.

>>508975344
Tech retards build AI that will fuck us all

>>508969333
Checked
There's a laundry list of drugs with unknown or incomplete knowledge of mechanisms of action
They don't even know how antidepressants "work"
No, it's not through serotonin itself

>>508976308
Nah, so far AI hasn't hurt me. Why should I care anyway. As long as my cousin is safe. The only person I care about.

>>508973207
how much did she get?

>>508976716
Who is she?

>>508969333
Trust the algo

>>508968124 (OP)


YOU ARE NOT A SURGEON. HELL, YOU DON'T EVEN WORK.

THERE IS A REASON WHY THE ANESTHESIOLOGIST IS PRESENT DURING THE WHOLE OPERATION YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER RETARD...HE AND A NURSE ...YOU KNOW....MONITOR YOU THROUGHOUT WITH THESE FANCY TECHNICAL MACHINES..AND YOU KNOW.....KNOW IF YOU ACTUALLY CAN FEEL ANYTHING..... THEY HAVE DOWN TO A FUCKING ART THESE DAYS...SO NICE TRY YOU FAT FUCKING LARP..NEXT TIME DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE TRYING TO LARP

IM A MALE NURSE...YES..TOO BAD...AND I ASSISTED IN 1000'S OF OPERATIONS...THE MOST TECHNICAL PEOPLE ON THE PLANET ARE SURGEONS. MISTAKES ARE RARE AS FUCK CONSIDERING THEIR ARE LITERALLY MILLIONS OF OPERATIONS BEING DONE A DAY IN NORTH AMERICA ALONE.

>>508970071
>t. dimwit

>>508976987
>muh receptors
>muh ion channels
>Muh pumps n voltage gradientz DX
Fuck off, midwit.

>>508976973
Kek!
U mad

>>508977190


OMG...I NEVER LEAVE THE HOUSE AND HAVE CRIPPLING ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION BUT HERE ON 4CHAN...I AM A FUCKING SUPERSTAR BABY@!!!!!!!!!!

>>508977066
Yeah.
It's a bit complicated for dimwits

>>508977298
>Male Nurse
See picrel: >>508977365

>>508976987
>are thought to
>full extent of mechanism not yet known
>remain to be fully defined
>is still under investigation
>remain largely unknown
He's right and you're just trying to look smart for some reason.

>>508970168
We have a fairly clear understanding of how electricity works... the average layperson doesn't, fair enough but that's not the same.

>>508977624
electricity is easy to understand when you're looking at basic bitch circuits or digital logic, but when you have to design buck boost converters and antennas n shit it becomes black magic

>>508977474
>are thought to
>full extent of mechanism not yet known
>remain to be fully defined
>is still under investigation
>remain largely unknown
Meaning they (medical researchers) don't understand how quite few drugs work.

>>508968124 (OP)
What? That shit only happens on weird occasions, or OP was a shitty ass anesthetist - and since AUSfag, I suspect the latter.

I've gone under before and it was literally lights out, zero memories of the surgery. Dad watched it, so yeah, none of that shit happened to me. And I have seen brain surgery stuff done to my sis. She was DEFINITELY lights out for that crap.

>>508977940
We don't need to understand something in order to use it. Most electricians don't know how electricity works.

>>508977940
NM thought that was directed at me.
Have a cat

>>508977365
Clamped.

>>508976926
wikipedia has a much longer list

>>508976308
It's not the "AI" that you should fear, that's just generative garbage that will be limited by what humans put into it. It cannot produce new - only what it knows and has been fed. The robots that are coming soon WILL be able to replace us all eventually - and fuck you as well. That is what people really should be afraid of. The Tesla and BD robots that are humanoid and can run about and do human shit. Shit is in work, only got a few more years left before that crap hits the market.

>>508978067
Fair enough.
It's false to state that medicine has a complete understanding of how all of the drugs they use work though.

If something works most of the time and doesn't cause excessive harm, just use it.

>>508977858
It's just like water

>>508978224
Nice
Still looks incomplete.
These must be drugs that they haven't even identified a direct target that it binds with or interacts with yet.

>>508968124 (OP)
Thanks for your genuine honesty kind anon, they gave me a chicklet and i didnt feel a single quigley during bi-passage surgering, experts kept quiet live odd lives, imagine posting on a Bahamian eggplant board.

>>508969654
just had a fairly intensive impacted wisdom teeth removal/bone graft. I dreamt while under the anesthesia, it was awesome, I don't know a thing about what happened and it was probably pretty damn bloody and violent. I dreamt I was at burning man and I wanted to go back after they woke me up.

Literally don't give a fuck! Why, because I don't remember shit.

The only thing I do remember is freaking out the medical staff every time rising like a vampire from a movie within minutes ready to stand and go to the mall for food, they always let me dress and make me wait, they always think I will vomit and should stay hooked up, I remember one time this poor fucks heart almost gave out when he turned around and I was sitting up already coming out of it.

Unless I have heart or brain surgery I'll probably want to go eat something within 20mins but they will only let me out in the room to sit on a timer so they're not sued or something.

>>508977624
That was not my point. Of course we know how electricity works. But I have heard an electrician actually say he doesn't know how electricity works, even tho he works with it daily. He just works the wires and does this and that, wiggle around that conductor ect. ect. and boom. Stuff works.

>>508978556
it is in basic RC circuits

>>508968124 (OP)
for the longest time they didn't put babies under because doctors said they didn't feel pain. they shot them up with something to paralyze them and then operated on them without pain meds.