Is there any reason to belive this guy was god?
>Inb4 the bible
Anyone can make things up

>>509007226 (OP)
It is just the Bible. A book written by humans just like every single other book. We are such a worthless fucking species of retards.

>>509007226 (OP)
Shroud, of, Turin

>>509007226 (OP)
Both of you are going to hell and when people like me take back our countries, we will be sending you there FAST

>>509007226 (OP)
Yes there are other reasons

>>509007226 (OP)
>Anyone can make things up
humans.exe can now code DNA. The code existed before humans.exe did.
Any anon worth a shit can write code. Doesn't mean it compiles the first time.

>>509007351
Does not make logical sense. A piece of cloth laying over someones face would not produce what is seen on the Shroud of Turin.

Jesus = JE SUIS = I AM
Jesus was FRANCE! The savior of MANKIND! FACT!

>>509007226 (OP)
2,000yrs is a loooong time to wait

god is not man and people do not come back to life; just nonsense that was shilled to us as kids and backed by spiritual blackmail which makes it hard to let go

>crust is kang!

Jesus said himself to worship only God, it is the First Commandment. That is why I am a Muslim.

>>509007226 (OP)
Lord have mercy upon me, a sinner

>>509007542
None of the mainstreams religions are real

>>509007351

>>509007226 (OP)
The never taught Jesus was God. That's a pagan doctrine adopted by apostate churches. The Bible teaches that Jesus is a created being like the angels.

>>509007226 (OP)
jesus never existed that guy in your picture is based on cesare borgia whole bible was written by jews and lot of rabbis have said they conquered europe without bloodshed referring to christianity

its a fucking jewish invention

>>509007458
Proves
>>509007701
Wrong. The shroud is a miracle and miracles are evidence of divinity.

>>509007542
Muslims. Ask your best hackers why they all pray in a particular direction and at specific times of day and how it affects their coding. Is there a Muslim equivalent in any clerical documents which permits anonymous penance to the Muslim form of governance?

>>509008524
its a fucking forgery

>>509008380
This is like saying that Ulysses wasn't written because the author is no longer alive, if you invested a few hours in formal logic. But hey, it's your interwebs too. Speak your peace and it shall be written.

>>509007351
It is a medieval forgery thats why the catholic church does not accept it nor deny

>>509007226 (OP)
maybe just pray and ask him yourself

>>509007226 (OP)
he said so

>>509008668
then why comest thou hither without an hin of sauce?

>>509007351
Forgery. of. Turin.

>>509007226 (OP)
Do what you want, God isn't real.

>>509007226 (OP)
Jesus was Divine.

You can prove this, for yourself, by following his Teachings.

>>509009565
https://youtu.be/0nuvbtl0jP4

Every night before you go to bed, say this prayer:
>Jesus, grant me the faith to believe in you.
Until you do that, don't even bother asking about why or why not people believe. The door doesn't open very often for people who refuse to knock.

And therefore the will of the father is life and goodness for all people.

THY KINGDOM COME

Jesus is sorry for people because they do not know true goodness, so he teaches them, saying:

Those who have no belongings and no glory and are not troubled by this are blessed; but those who seek riches and glory are unlucky, because in terms of the father’s will they are poor and destitute, seeking only rewards from people in this temporal life. In order to fulfill the will of the father, one should not fear being poor and despised, one must rejoice in that state so as to demonstrate what real goodness is.

In order to fulfill the will of the father, who gives life and goodness to all people, one must keep five commandments.

The first commandment: Do not offend anyone and do not do anything to provoke evil in anyone, because evil gives birth to evil.

The second commandment: Do not be charmed by women and do not abandon the woman that you’ve united with, because abandoning women and replacing them gives rise to all the debauchery in the world.

The third commandment: Do not swear oaths over anything because it is impossible to promise anything since man is entirely in the hands of the father, and oaths are judged as evil acts.

The fourth commandment: Do not oppose evil, but tolerate insults and do even more than people require of you: do not judge, and you will not be judged. All that man can teach by taking vengeance is vengeance.

The fifth commandment: Do not make distinctions between your homeland and that of others, because all people are the children of one father.

>>509009947
>but those who seek riches and glory are unlucky, because in terms of the father’s will they are poor and destitute, seeking only rewards from people in this temporal life
Really? That's weird, Jews are doing pretty well and that's their whole MO.

>>509009947
These five commandments should be kept, not to earn the praise of other people, but for yourself, for your own blessedness. Neither prayer nor fasting are necessary. Praying is not necessary because the father knows all that people need. So there is nothing to ask him for; one just needs to try to be within the father’s will, not bearing any malice toward anyone. Fasting is not necessary because people fast only for the praise of other people; and the praise of other people cannot give blessedness. The father gives life; he gives his children what they need. One need only worry about being within the father’s will at any given moment, the rest will take care of itself.

>>509007226 (OP)
Not a molecule thin photographic negative on a two thousand year old piece of linen.

>>509007351
typical stupid christkike

>>509009094
>It is a medieval forgery
So, that gives you the right to ignore God?
You are in His creation, not Him in yours.
You are not required to LIKE it.

>>509010085
>in terms of the father’s will they are poor and destitute, seeking only rewards from people in this temporal life

>>509007339
>>509007226 (OP)
>Jesus puts distinct separation between himself and God the Father
>My Father is greater than I [Jesus]
>To us there is but one God, the Father.”
>do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
>I am with you only a little while longer, and then I am going to the One who sent Me.
>In My Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
>Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped
>You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
>I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
>Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.
>I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.
>But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins
>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
>and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
>I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
>I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me. I will equip you for battle, though you have not known Me
>Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
>Son of man, I send you to the people of Israel, to nations of rebels, who have rebelled against me. They and their fathers have transgressed against me to this very day. The descendants also are impudent and stubborn:

>>509010252
>I am a bootlicker

Truth does not require coercion or torture

>>509010554
Nor does it require tolerance.
That only lasts so long.

>>509010292
>stating you can't be both wealthy and fulfilled
Lmao, you're such a cuck. No skin off my bones though, less competition. Watch me pass through the eye of a needle.
>>509010414
Ah sweet, schizo spam

>>509010597
What is forgiveness but tolerance?

>>509010252
No i was just refering to that specific object

>>509007226 (OP)
The only response you're going to get is jewish cocksucking and schizo ramblings, which is also jewish.
I recently had to tell a Christian friend of mine that I don't believe, and I explained why. He had nothing to say, after that, the only time he texts me is when he wants to say "christ is king" or some variation of it. When all arguments are over they'll resort to just repeating things over and over again like an insane person.

>>509010629
>“The world is as it is made," he went on, regarding me fixedly. "It is moved by the lowest and pettiest motives — it works for the most trivial, ridiculous, and perishable aims. It is not a paradise. It is not a happy family of united and affectionate brethren. It is an over-populated colony of jabbering and quarrelsome monkeys, who fancy they are men. Philosophers in old days tried to teach it that the monkeytype should be exterminated for the growth and encouragement of a nobler race, but they preached in vain — there never were enough real men alive to overcome the swarming majority of the beasts. God Himself, they say, came down from Heaven to try and set wrong things right, and to restore if possible His own defaced image to the general aspect of humanity — and even He failed."

>"There is very little of God in this world,I said bitterly. "There is much more Devil!”

>He smiled — a musing, dreamy smile that transfigured his countenance and made him look like a fine Apollo absorbed in the thought of some new and glorious song.

https://youtu.be/09839DpTctU

>>509010840
>Pokedex 0840: Applin

Gotta catch 'em all

>>509010840
>God failed
Lmfao, you can't even keep your own mythos straight. Can't really call a being all-powerful if he's a failure.

>>509011032
Many of Jesus' so-called "followers" are covered in blood, and even wear a crucifix as a triumph. . . .

Man was not the first to fall.

https://youtu.be/O4irXQhgMqg

>>509011134
If it's any consolation to the christ cucks in the thread I'll take you over homo flags, what's worse than worshipping a figment is worshipping your own sexual degeneracy.

>>509007351
>>509010414
lol the shroud of Turin is so comically fake and gay because if it was real, the impression of Rabbi Yeshua's face would be distorted like this. You can test this at home, paint your face, wrap a big white napkin around your head and then look at the resulting impression.

>>509011283
I myself am not gay... asexual. I am above sex.

Happy Pride!

https://youtu.be/fmC6b6_ovZY

>>509008524
...Motherfucker, did you read the image?

Let's grant that this is an imprint of a Jewish man's face from the 1st century. How does this mean Jesus is God?

>>509007226 (OP)
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp40hxmp

>>509011448
>namefag: lucifer (cringe af)
>homo flag
>happy pride
Bro you have to rope, only seppuku can save your honor at this point.

>>509011646
Romans 2:1
Zechiarah 8:23

Lying fucking Christcuck faggot

>>509011646
Sorry, Romans 3:2
Typo

Romans 3:2
Zechiarah 8:23

Lying fucking Christcuck faggot

>>509011683
... I have no thoughts of suicide. I have already died.

https://youtu.be/h_D3VFfhvs4

>>509012037
>already died
Sure seems like you're here posting.

>>509009094
Only part of it traces to that period when it was repaired or restored. Other segments of the shroud carbon date to the 1st century.

>>509012194
Yes, that's very strange, isn't it.

https://youtu.be/N5uPZ7ocsqA

>>509007680
>only my hipster religion is real

Dint he turn water into wine and cure blindness and other miracles or somethin?

>>509012288
Yes. There was lots of water magic. The miracles really weren't the point, though. The Teaching was important. Miracles are not coming to fix your problems.

https://youtu.be/QO0fCxBQOEU

>>509012288
we literally have no first hand accounts of rabbi yeshua

everything we know is written by his cultists (anonymously) 30 years later in those gospels

>>509009792
That's very gay. You whisper to a man every night in bed?

>>509012422
sus

>>509012257
Fun larp
>>509012375
>muh magic
>but it's not for you

... if you keep waiting for the guy you crucified to come and fix your problems for you ... after you ignored all of his Teachings ... you will be disappointed.

>>509007226 (OP)
well cuz we wuz red white n blue but became black

>>509007226 (OP)
Jesus was a powerful magician with deep occult knowledge, but he wasn't the literal son of God. That's the title the romans gave him when they deified him, they made Jesus a demigod similar to Hercules.

>>509012457
... do you know that story about giving a man a fish, and teaching a man to fish?

I suggest you learn how to fish.

>>509008053
Since you’re so familiar with the Bible, didn’t Jesus warn people about false religions such as your own? You never address the false prophecies your Governing Body has made, and continues to make, regarding the date(s) of Armageddon. Stay Alive 1975 ring a bell?

Here’s Geoffrey Jackson saying it’d be presumptuous to say Jehovah Witnesses are the only spokespeople of God: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwPyDtxv50

Truth doesn’t condemn questioning, but your organization (cult) labels anyone who does an apostate.

>>509012613
What about sticking my cock in a fish’s mouth?

>>509007226 (OP)
>Is there any reason to belive this guy was god?
Whatever reason you want to believe. If you don't, whatever. What he said and did was more important than if he was the son of God or not.

>>509012702
Isn’t everyone the “son of god” given he’s the creator? What is it even supposed to mean exactly? And didn’t he call himself the son of man, not god?

>>509008053
This guy destroys your doctrine using your own JW.org site: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xg430KqEis&pp=0gcJCcMJAYcqIYzv

>>509012749
>Isn’t everyone the “son of god” given he’s the creator?
Yes
>What is it even supposed to mean exactly?
You are apart of God
And didn’t he call himself the son of man, not god?
He did both but "son of man" was more frequent

The spirit father plants the life of knowledge in the world, completely the same as how a farmer sows seeds in his field. He sows over the whole field, not distinguishing where each one may land. And now, some seeds land on the road, and birds fly down and peck at them. And others fall onto the rocks. And they will scarcely grow on the rocks, but will wither because there is nowhere to take root. And still others fall into the brush and the brush chokes the grain, so the stalks rise up, but do not flourish. And others fall onto good earth, those spring up and compensate for the lost seeds and offer up their grain and flourish; some multiplied one hundred times, some sixty and some thirty.

And just so, God planted the spirit within people, in some it disappears, and in some it returns, multiplied one hundred times. These are the people that make up the kingdom of God.

So the kingdom of God is not like you think it is, that God will come to reign over you. God only planted the spirit, and the kingdom of God will only be within those who preserve that. God does not control people and, like a farmer, tosses seeds to the earth and does not think of them himself. The seeds swell on their own, sprout, grow into a plant, a stalk, a head of grain, and then produce a kernel. And only when it is ripe does the farmer send the reapers to mow the field. Just so, God gave the world his son, a spirit, and the spirit will grow in the world and the sons of the spirit will make up the kingdom of God.

>Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple
>Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

In 70 AD after the jewish uprising, romans destroyed the temple completely. The wailing wall isn't part of the temple and is a fake. This happened roughly 40 years after Jesus's death.

Did he make that up too?

>>509007226 (OP)
Which god? The original symbol of the god of the Hebrews was a copper serpent.

Once, two of Jesus’s students, Jacob and John, came to him and said, “Teacher! Promise that you will do for us what we ask.”

He said, “What do you want?”

They said, “We want to be equal with you.”

Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking. You can live just as I do, you can purify yourself from mortal life just as I do, but to make you the same as me—that is not in my power. Every man must enter the father’s will of his own power.”

Having heard that, the other students became angry at the two brothers for wanting to be the same as the teacher, to be the most senior of the students.

Jesus called to them and said, “If you, brothers John and Jacob, asked me to make you the same as me in order to be the most senior of the students, then you have made a mistake. If, however, you, other students, are angry at them because these two wanted to have seniority over you, then you are mistaken also. In this world only kings and rulers count who is most senior, so that they can govern nations.

“But among you there can be no seniors and no juniors. Among you, in order to be greater than another, you must become a servant to all. Among you, whoever wants to be first must consider himself last. Because this is the will of the father concerning the son of man, that he live not to be served, but to serve all others himself and to give away his mortal life like a ransom for the life of the spirit.”

>>509012613
Well if fishing is water magic I'm a master baiter so I think that must make me a waterbender or something.
>>509012644
Lmfao

>>509013132
Fishing is just fishing... the Neptunian powers are more profound. Water-walking, for example

>>509007701
>if we can prove Jesus existed
This dumb nigger has a PhD? It's been universally accepted that Jesus existed.

>>509013251
You need to go back to /x/

>>509013053
Why are western religious teachings so stupid and shallow compared to eastern religion which gives very specific, practical and repeatable steps for entering into deep meditation and attaining enlightenment?

>>509013341
Because eastern religions were made by Indo-Aryans and Western religions were made by Jews.

>>509013341
>Why are western religious teachings so stupid and shallow

They are not, you simply do not yet appreciate the depth of the West... the East studies the West more carefully.

>>509011646
>>509007226 (OP)

jesus did not exist at all. he is as historical as mickey mouse or any fantasy character. the deformed subhuman rabbi (((paul))) (pic related) created his story up out of thin air by reading the hebrew scriptures.

>>509013593
The Sun sets in the West.

>>509009792
Never understood this christcuck thinking.

>just believe OKAY!?


No evidence or proof of any kind required, and all the (archeological) evidence that does exist, goes against the bible. The gospels can’t even get the story straight. You can ask christcucks how many women witnessed Jesus rise from his own grave and they wouldnt be able to answer because the gospels contradict each other

>>509007226 (OP)
No, you should accept your status as a mere animal and convince other goys they're nothing but animals and good and evil are social constructs.

>>509007226 (OP)
>Is there any reason to belive this guy was god?
All the reasons.

>>509008053
You're disobeying the governing body by being here on this "apostate website", and you're talking to "apostates" which is strictly prohibited. Every time you show up I'll direct people to websites like jwfacts and avoidjw which have everything people need to debunk you going back over 100 years.

>>509007226 (OP)

>>509014342
Matthew had a very high view of Joseph and would have never written about him being childless

>>509007538

What do you mean by spiritual blackmail?

>>509014159

The reward for faith and belief is understanding, but it doesn't sound like you really want to understand.

>>509012917
He didn't made that up.

Doesn't mean he's god though. Because then you have to accept previous ancient Israeli prophets as gods.

>>509014159
supposed contradictions are deliberate traps to send you to hell

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[Rom 1:20-32 KJV] 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.