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>Bulgaria gets forced to join the Eurozone (replacement of national currency with Euro)
>A supermajority of the population rejects this and wants to hold a referendum on it
>The government bans the potential referendum in a direct violation of the constitution
>This triggers everyone and every party left or right of the center is now against it and protesting the Euro in some way, only the centrist EU-aligned mafia is for it (20% national approval)
>The government gets ordered by the EU to ignore them and pretend that nothing's happening as they're rushing to have us join by January 2026
>The goyim keep doing shit and protests start spilling out of Bulgaria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJVAlylxR4 (it's the English qrd)
>Meanwhile the Americans keep an eye on this and a republican congressman comes in contact with the protest leaders (Keith Self) with rumors that support from America was negotiated somehow
>One month later we get a Project 2025 affiliate publish this https://www.theamericanconservative.com/time-for-dollar-diplomacy-in-bulgaria/
>Calls for the support of the dollar in Bulgaria as a means of demoralizing the EU because having the poorest member completely abandon the Euro in favor of the Dollar would effectively shatter the selling point of the Euro
>This will probably reach Trump's desk in the coming month and we will have a Georgescu situation in Bulgaria but this time America will directly intervene as it concerns their own personal objectives

And this has even wider strategic implications such as the fact that you'd be able to completely control the EU from its underbelly by militarizing Bulgaria and turning it into the European Taiwan so as to control Turkey, the Black Sea, the Balkans, and the silk road into Europe all at once. If you're trying to collapse the EU then doing something like this is perhaps the absolute first prerequisite - and they're doing it right now.

>>509015390 (OP)
If it's a very small minority of people who are pushing this, you can just kill them and they will stop.
Mob rule is actually the strength of democracy

>>509015390 (OP)
You won't do shit and the EU will consume all of continental Europe and RuZZia, bigot.

>>509015553
They are, the collective vote share of the coalition pushing this is the majority of the parliament, but their absolute vote share from the general population is only a quarter. And even then about half of their own electorate do not agree with the Euro push. As for the other 75%, the majority of Bulgarians refuse to participate in the national election as it is directly controlled by the EU and all of the bad parties are allowed to steal votes in broad daylight and voting in it is a pointless waste of time. However they did want to vote on the referendum and approval of a referendum being held was somewhere between 70% to 85% depending on the poll. And despite such wide popularity it was still struck down by the (((constitutional court))), exactly like what happened in Romania when their court just invalidated the election when they didn't like the result.

>>509015786
But we don't have to do shit anymore (we are doing a lot of it anyway). That's the point. America is going to intervene on our behalf whether we do or don't. It's already circulating the Heritage circles which is a tell that the top kikes are starting to notice it.

>>509015390 (OP)
This is literally what Vazrazhdane wanted. They sent delegates to the US discussing this same idea. It's not gonna happen though.

>>509015390 (OP)
Cool and all but the Euro is happening one way or the other. They already broke all the rules and everyone knows they are lying, so what can even be done beside outright armtwisting from some external force?

>>509016591
>It's not gonna happen though.
Why not? This is more important than Greenland in terms of the degree of influence that they could exert if it managed to succeed. Remember that we were pulled into WW1 mostly due to the fact that Germany could link up with the ME through the Ottomans and we were kind of in the middle and blocking it out, and WW2 was kind of similar. Ironically enough this is also why we were invited into the EU and the first thing that they went for is the highways into Turkey and then kind of forgot that Bulgaria existed because the objective was complete.

If you wanted to get to the core of Europe and wanted to hurt the German industry specifically, you would first attack the Euro and then attack the linkage between Germany and Russia, China and the ME. They took the Russia connection down. Bulgaria offers the means of interrupting both China and ME ones at the same time, while also disrupting the Euro. And influencing it is very cheap.

>>509015390 (OP)
You need to look at all of this through the lens of the Jew World Order coming to an end. People are sick of this shit, young people have no future, and the old, corrupt fucks are now so decrepit that they can't even lie effectively anymore. That's all this is.

>>509015390 (OP)
The job of the government is to do what is best for the country
It's not to appease their constituency.
Majority of people especially on /pol/ don't understand why euro is so important for smaller countries.

>>509017519
Neck yourself, kike bitch boy.

>>509017519
The job of the government is to represent the people. You are either a democracy and do what the people want or admit you arent a democracy.
We (bulgaria and the west in general) are living in the fakest gayest democracy to ever exist.
North Korea probably a superior democracy despite not having any vote since im convinced a supermajority of North Koreans would vote in favor of the party.

>>509017519
Giving out low interest rate loans to niggers (politicians) doesn't seem to be working anywhere.

>>509015390 (OP)
Why do Bulgarians want to be cucks? Why are you choosing your flavor of dick before getting ass fucked? Here's an idea: how about just keeping your own currency and sovereignty?

>>509015390 (OP)
This is the stupidest schizobabble I've read in a while. You're delusional if you think anything but a vocal minority is anti euro. Most people (me included) simply don't give a shit as they tend to have more important things to care about.

you vill use ze euro, and you vill like it

>>509015390 (OP)
>instead of euro cucks controlling your economy by currency, america jews do.

WOW SUCH A GREAT IDEA!!!

>>509015390 (OP)
The vast majority of eurozone inhabitants also don't want you corrupt subhumans in their currency union, so we may have a win-win here!

>>509017394
nice movie you are living in, these times are long past gone
the decision to use the euro has already been set in motion and no amount of cope and screeching is going to reverse it. it sucks but it is what it is

>>509015390 (OP)
I don't think most people care that much but apart from that, what's the fucking point of tying your currency to the dollar? Your country's biggest trading partners are other European countries, you already have your currency pegged to the euro and joining will increase investment, reduce cost (such as having to pay to exchange currency each time you guys go to Greece), reduce interest rates, increase confidence and probably reduces inflation rates, on top of that it also adds a say in the ECB which is bound to safeguard the interest of the Eurozone as a whole. Pegging it to the dollar forfeits all of that while adding exchange rate risk and being subservient to the interest of the FED, which won't take into account Bulgaria when setting interest rates and being economies not as similar won't likely be benefitial to Bulgaria.
The price of adopting the Euro is a likely one-time increase in the prices of some goods, which everyone is pissed about for a year or so but afterwards no one wants to give it up. Specially when your country is small and has a currency that otherwise no one would give a fuck about.

>>509018933
Stop being reasonable on/pol/ and better write something about the Jews.

>>509019062
Honestly, I've pretty much given up at this point. I don't really post anymore, it feels like the board has gotten significantly dumber post-2016. It was fun, I grant you that but the consequences for the board have been catastrophic. People that back in 2014 would be told to go back to /x/ or get called a stormfag for their lack of critical thinking now run rampant.

>>509018208
The referendum is for the preservation of our currency so that we don't have to be cucks to anyone. It was illegally banned by the constitutional court and there is a zero support from the EU to overturn the ban (they ordered them to ban it). Second best option is to dump a bag of salt into their wound and go with their competitor. The EU can always back down and let us not adopt the Euro and maintain the Euro peg and everyone will be happy - they don't want to do that.

>>509019847
You're whining about quality of posts and yet you saged the only thread on the catalog that has a full wall of text walking you through the issue in depth with links, an issue that you didn't even know existed until you saw this thread.

Perhaps you're the low quality that you're complaining about, and perhaps pretentious midwit niggers like you are the ones who're destroying the board?

>>509020110
>so that we don't have to be cucks to anyone
Bro, your country runs on EU subsidies

>>509020274
It literally doesn't and we have seven (!!) times lower debt to GDP ratio than your failed state. We could effectively borrow and live off of gibs for the next decade or two if we wanted to. Your union could disappear and we'd still be able to borrow for all of our needs before we managed to reach Italy's pre-collapse levels.

>>509020426
https://ruskov-law.eu/bulgaria/subsidies.html

>>509020585
Yes, the farmer subsidies are given to incentivize garbage production like seed oils, industrial crops and cereals, so that the west can produce their tomatoes and fruits without being outcompeted by the superior soil type here. And our agricultural sector has been effectively destroyed. We'd get much more benefit if the subsidies stopped and neocolonial EU supermarket chains were banned from selling here.

you are just a small country with 6 million people
you will be assimilated

>>509020110
I saged my second post because whining about the state of the board was off-topic. I was more about the contents of my post than the thread itself. And I did know about Bulgaria upcoming euro adoption. In my first point I did comment at lenght about the issue and addressed both benefits and costs, so I'm sure I am not the cause of the low quality.
Fuck off.

>>509020749
Dude you got subsidies to nearly all of your industry also if you say neocolonial unironically you outed yourself as a commie

>>509021176
>Dude you got subsidies to nearly all of your industry
No we don't and we're being forced to close down power plants all the time and these power plants are forced to pay inverse subsidies to the EU ("carbon tax") and we're deindustrializing faster than Germany. No one here wants your shitty subsidies that pay for themselves through the supermarket chains. I'd rather have Kaufland and Billa and all of these metastasized growths leave the country and have us lose the "subsidies" and so do an increasing amount of people. I don't want a single euro out of you.

And "neocolonial" is a common word that the anti-EU crowd here uses and it was used multiple times in yesterday's protest.

>>509015390 (OP)
Russian propaganda like this is why I despoise Moscow and the Rusisan people along with the moderators of this site who work for them aong witn their pet Russian propagandists who post via false vpn flags and idiot tier useful idiots eching them.

The euro is great.

If you are posting in this thread or thos board and don't know this board is orcehstrated and moderated to be a Kremlin propaganda shop window then you are too stupid to be on the internet.

The mdoerators of /pol/ are scum.

>>509021701
Euros are bucks, they live much better than amerimutts and yet amerimutts are jingoists and Eurocucks fall for every demoralization

>>509021701
Which part of anything said in the thread so far is Russian propaganda? I am currently watching an interview with a Polish MP saying how Bulgaria shouldn't adopt the Euro and that it should retain its currency like Poland is doing right now. Is Poland a Putinist outpost?

>>509021701
>>509023280
here's the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by9Y_BXeWTc
he's from PiS. Are they the ziggerbot party? Or are you just mentally ill?

>>509017519
>Majority of people especially on /pol/ don't understand why euro is so important for smaller countries.
Any nation that doesn't issue it's own money isn't a nation, it is a vassal at best or slave at worst. Same for nations that don't own the money printers and go into debt to issue their own fucking currencies. Fuck modern economics so much, fake and gay bullshit

>>509021701
...says the tax haven

>>509015390 (OP)
>protests start spilling out of Bulgaria
spill some of that shit here too, neighbor, i don't want to pay cuckuro and have brussels control my inflation even more

>>509023564
You will do what Brussels says. As long as there is trade war by Israel and America against Europe no European is going to let you go your own way to destroy Europe

>>509023564
It actually is kek. Simion has backed the protests and offered his support, at least from behind the scenes for now (according to the Revival party). He's supposed to make it public sometime next month. AfD has as well and they sent their ethnically-Bulgarian MP to the protest yesterday.

>>509021701
>euro is g-great b-because i said s-s-o
you will call us Putler next ?

>>509023815
Russia wanted to join the EU once
Just because we like Russia here doesn't mean we hate ourselves

>>509015390 (OP)
In fairness the euro is basically stupid. Italy (or Bulgaria) shouldn’t have the same currency (and thus currency strength) as Germany given the very different economies.

>>509023860
This has nothing to do with Russia and the proposal is to peg our currency to the dollar, not the ruble. The dollar has been responsible for a hundred billion dollars-worth of weapons being dumped into Ukraine, and counting.

Imagine how deranged you would have to be to have the entire thread be about the dollar and still obsess about Russia for some reason.

>>509023860
and (((EU))) with migrant quotas, censorship, LGBTQ parades and war with Russia will help Bulgaria repair its demographics and economy how exactly ?

>>509015390 (OP)
Pretty much nobody voted to join the EU, their politicians did it regardless

>>509017519
>The job of the government is to do what is best for the country
No, that never has been the case since nations stopped being nations to be economic zones, the job of the government has been to manage the misery and be sure that everything remains under the same status quo of global democratic liberal progresism

> Pin the Leva to the USD
And be controlled by MIGA TACO? No thanks.
I would prefer to pin it to the yuan.

>>509015390 (OP)
Honestly this is great news because neither the EU nor America is going to come out on top in the end. The fact that America is engaging in such ham-fisted cash grabs shows that ZOG's ponzi scheme economy is in even worse shape that previously thought. Meanwhile the EU has exhausted its usefulness to ZOG and Israel and can't hold itself together without American sponsorship, much less being picked apart by its overlord.

>>509024363
Millions of people in EU, especialy women, livelihood depends on the current system
then there are millions of illegals, migrants, foreign workers, all kind of religion/political orgs, globohomo orgs, banker orgs etc.
Nobody in that system gives a shit if any individual is living better or worse and they WILL throw you into the war to defend their system
Thats how it is

>>509015390 (OP)
Yay, even more of american tax dollars where they shouldn't be

>>509024467
>And be controlled by MIGA TACO?
They'd lift the microchip pseudo-sanctions and then the tariffs and then throw the ZOG's weight behind us. They also need us to keep Turkey in a checkmate so we're going to get gibsmaxxed with all the fancy military tech that we would ever need for the rest of the century.

What can the changs offer against this? Nothing.

>>509021701
Gtfo taras , go back to the trenches

>>509024672
>America is gonna be gooood to us.
When are you gonna learn to be skeptical of things too good to be true. You'll get maybe a tenth of what you expect and then you'll be financially exploited and forcefed globohomo. ZOG is nobody's friend, ZOG has no friends. If ZOG was an ice cream flavor it would be pralines and DICK.

>>509015553
>you can just kill them and they will stop.
You can't. They have the largest police force in the entire world per capita.
Bulgaria has the largest police force per capita in the entire world.
They are very well protected.

>>509015786
>and RuZZia,
This will be a dream came true for the Russians. They wants this since Peter the Great.

>>509015390 (OP)
Please explain to me like to a retard how the euro will affect anything here? The lev is already pegged anyway and inflation is happening with or without the switch. Ok, some prices will get rounded up by a few stinki, boo hoo, it's a drop in the bucket

>>509025607
But you're not going to do it because you're an open charity. It's in your own personal strategic benefit to do a repeat of Taiwan here. You're not going to fill us up with radar stations and docks and military bases because Americans love Bulgaria, you'll do it because it neutralizes Turkey, Russia's Black Sea fleet, Serbia and the EU all at the same time, and this benefits you directly. You can launch all of the refueling missions into the Middle East from here without having to float a single carrier ever again. It's very cheap and places you in perhaps the best strategic spot of Europe.

This is one of the rare cases where there is an actual win-win condition for both sides without having to resort to hostile domineering. You give us what we want, which is to LARP as the silicon valley of Europe (which is what the Soviet Union gave us when they did the literal same thing), and we give you a gigantic military base that can keep your enemies at bay.

>>509025739
>Please explain to me like to a retard how the euro will affect anything here?
It's going to unlock the currency board and allow Goyko to leech 40 billion euros out of our money, it's going to upgrade our credit rating to the point where all banks will be tripping on each other to have us get their loans which would lead to the rapid borrowing and indentured servitude of all consecutive generations after us, it's going to make us completely reliant on a collapsing EU and its schizophrenic tranny agenda, and it's going to collapse us in lockstep to their collapsing economies.

If you could choose between a bunch of losers who're calling their bully "daddy", or just go to the daddy directly, the logical choice is obviously the latter.

>>509026082
>allow Goyko to leech 40 billion euros out of our money
What's stopping goyko, fatty and peepeepoopoo from taking massive loans now? Oh wait, they already did that several times in the last few years.
>make us completely reliant on a collapsing EU and its schizophrenic tranny agenda
As opposed to before?
>become a huge US military base instead
Yeah, I don't see how turning us from an irrelevant military target to a top priority one in case of WW3 might be a bad idea

>>509026637
>What's stopping goyko, fatty and peepeepoopoo from taking massive loans now?
Not enough availability, but yes, nothing is practically stopping them from taking them even at the unfavorable interest rates. We were very lucky to have this chart here >>509020426 and we should absolutely not squander our luck by making the loans even cheaper.

>As opposed to before?
What do you mean before? It is how it is right now and this is precisely what is being offered here - an alternative so that it doesn't have to happen anymore. We will not have to be glued to the shitty EU once we do this and turn ourselves into a MIGA stronghold.

>Yeah, I don't see how turning us from an irrelevant military target to a top priority one in case of WW3 might be a bad idea
I agree but honestly I don't care anymore. Being threatened by a bunch of LARPing nothingburgers is an upgrade over seeing our country decay into perpetual poverty and then getting nuked anyway because the EU was in its schizophrenic phase and decided to antagonize the entire world. Ironically, America actually antagonizes fewer governments than the EU does.

>>509015390 (OP)
The people of Bulgaria shouldn't have a say in this.

>>509026937
this, so much this

>>509015390 (OP)
Wow I had no idea the situation was so complex
Really interesting thank you!
Now run along white people are speaking Varush

>>509016066
>>509015390 (OP)

I don't know anything about this. So I don't have an agenda. But is the main concern of people that switching to the Euro will bring inflation? (Which it will) Or that you will lose monetary independence (which is a complete illusion) ?

>>509015390 (OP)
Maybe you should then also peg your currency against the Dollar instead of the DM/Euro. Did your referendum-goers decide on that too while they're at it? Seems like a lot of people love freeloading while having their fiscal policies and economy taken care of by the EU.

>>509027877
They don't have any independence for a long, long time when it comes to their monetary/fiscal policies as their currency is tied to the German DM and now Euro, so they let EU handle the macro-economics. It will indeed bring in inflation, but that is incomparably lower by a factor of a hundred to the kind of inflation they'd experience if the EU unpegged their currency. They'd go to Venezuela tier overnight.

>>509015390 (OP)
The idea of all of Europe joining the Euro is retarded. Poorer countries want low value currencies for the purposes of exports, and by forcing them to adopt a high value currency you're essentially dooming them to an eternity of economic stagnation. Only Scandinavia, Germans, France, the Benelux, and maybe Italy should have a currency as overvalued as the Euro.

>>509017519
actually, the people are the country. without the people, you don't have a country. a country is just a random piece of land, random squiggles on a map, as it were. you could take the bulgarians our of bulgaria and put them somewhere entirely else, and presuming it was empty land, that land would become the new bulgaria. why? because it's the people that make a piece of land what it is.

>>509015390 (OP)
coolio, restoration of faith in the US dollar and the trump admin after an unpopular strike on iran.

>>509015390 (OP)
The sad true is that Europe must consolidate itself. There are not much chances vs US/China/Russia/etc, if each state makes such crucial decisions not in line with the union.

And do not think that US now are "liberators" or helping you because you are a "friend" to them (they don't have friends, except of one country, but those relationships look more than friendship). US wants a lot of small independent countries out there, so that job for them pressuring and milking small states (through shitty trade/military offers) is much easier.

>>509028030
yeah that's the thing, having the Euro means the EU cannot fuck with your country specifically anymore with monetary policy

that is a net good thing, even if there's inflation

Dunno how Bulgarian currency inflated lately, but I bet it did more than the Eurozone.

>>509028062
Don't bother. They will never get it. Jeet, kikes and other assorted subhuman legitimately think that they can get rid of Europeans, and everything we built just magically stays in stasis for them to enjoy while they revert back into their stone age cultures and technology. It's insane.

>>509015390 (OP)
>Bulgaria gets forced to join the Eurozone

how can it be forced???

Anything to kill the EU. These pedophiles ruining our lives with their eco-dystopian laws need to be put on trial and be sent back to where they belong, the underworld.

>>509027877
Both, and also the fact that the EU will be able to exert full pressure on us through the ECB. They already have a terrible track record with the covid recovery funds that we were supposed to get, that the EU refused to give on the basis of not being eco-friendly enough along with 300 other rules.
Yes, there was an entire list of 321 things that you had to do to get your recovery funds from the covid crash. And we "only" met a hundred of them, therefor no money for us.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/bulgaria-loses-e653-million-in-eu-funds-amid-reform-delays/

This shattered the trust in the EU as it became apparent that it had the power to attach arbitrary political objectives to the money that was rightfully ours, like the US president can choose which university or state to defund in his country, so no one trusts the EU anymore because no one told us that we'd be joining a centralized wannabe-USA that is exclusively managed from the west with zero say by the east. People think that an acceptance of the Euro would be all of this on steroids, so an ever-shrinking minority wants to accept it now. I think that it was something like 60 pro to 40 anti a decade ago. There are other issues of course, many of them, but these are like the primary concerns. It's mostly the EU shooting itself in the foot with a catastrophic PR and mismanagement, including even the Macedonia issue.

>>509017519
>Majority of people especially on /pol/ don't understand why euro is so important for smaller countries.

Euro is a total disaster for small countries, just look at Greece. Using someone elses currency is transferring control over your economy abroad.

>>509028560
ok this way it makes sense, I didn't know about the covid funds

>>509028732
the level of late Byzantine/Balkans/Ottoman tradition of not giving a fuck about reforming or improving anything mentality (which I fully understand tho) is part of what got Greece there

>>509028359
You are allowed to join the Eurozone whenever you feel comfortable and every government can choose to delay it for as much as it wants. Poland, for an example, is an EU member but adamantly refuses to join the EU no matter the ruling government - Tusk or PiS.

In Bulgaria things are slightly different because there is an unpopular mafia party which has the lowest approval of all of the countries and their respective parties in the EU, where 70% of the Bulgarian population actively disapproves of it. Disapproves as in hates and protests against it all the time. This party is supported by the EU and is routinely cycled in power here to advance EU objectives. One of these EU objectives is the acceptance of the Euro despite the supermajority of Bulgarians *not* wanting to accept it, much like in Poland.

The decision to accept the Euro is de facto our government's decision, but the reality is that it isn't and is exclusively the EU's downstream orders. It is being done on falsified inflation data which itself is illegal but no one cares. We sought to override this and stop the government from doing this shit by having a referendum on it, which was illegally struck down by the ruling coalition in the parliament (they do not have the power to dictatorially refuse referenda in the parliament), which was immediately escalated to the constitutional court on the basis of a major constitutional violation. The constitutional court proceeded to conclude that the referendum itself may potentially be unconstitutional because it interferes with international agreements (a lie), so because the referendum was potentially unconstitutional then the dictatorial suspension of it was completely legal because the referendum was illegal. This is how the court legitimized an act of authoritarianism, with the EU backing it.

The protests are merely for the restoration of the referendum so that we can choose whether we join today or in 50 years, which is our legal right.

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>>509029211
>the level of late Byzantine/Balkans/Ottoman tradition of not giving a fuck about reforming or improving anything mentality (which I fully understand tho) is part of what got Greece there

This would be much less of an issue if the greeks didnt use the euro.

>>509017519
I think it's cool we got a real EU fan here. It's good to listen to the disabled and the retarded some times.

Euro is great for Bulgaria and will bring economic development and convenience to it.

>>509015390 (OP)
The amount of time and resources that the russkies and their minions are spending to fight against the Euro is an indirect good sign.
The occasional burger seething is just a bonus.

>>509031778
Why didn't it bring economic development and convenience to Greece, which is wealthier than us?

>>509032170
Because the Greeks somehow were even more financially retarded than us before the Great Financial Crisis

>>509032278
oh and you think that Bulgaria under GERB and Peevski is better? lol

I don't really understand why to make the euro the focus of politics in Bulgaria. Having this or that currency does not magically improve or destroy a nation. As for geopolitics, you should be aligned with whomever is willing to invest more.

>>509024363
>>509024520
Grim.

>>509032399
The Euro is not the cause of the problems. How is that hard to understand?

>>509032982
>ummmm the euro is irrelevant though
ok let's not rush it then, let's keep the peg as it is, let's maintain the currency board, and let's choose a later date to join it when we're most comfortable and when the actual problem (GERB/DPS) has finally been removed

>>509033111
One thing that did happen here though, was some basic products jumping a few 100% when the euro was introduced. No one understands how or why to this day.

>>509033111
It's not irrelevant.
It's simply not the cause of Greece's problems (in fact, being in the Eurozone helped them get saved).
>>509033445
Speculation by greedy bastards.
At the same time I have been hearing about price jumps for the last few years (it was real), but now the hysteria continues, while my breaf at the shop dropped in price a bit.

>>509033445
>was some basic products jumping a few 100% when the euro was introduced.
They literally just jumped by 30% on average last week. The head of the revenue agency that monitors this accidentally said that some products have jumped up to 80% and then retracted it and said that it was false a day later after the entire country panicked and became like 5% more anti-Euro just from that statement alone.

>>509033641
>(in fact, being in the Eurozone helped them get saved)
Being in the Eurozone gave access to the cheap loans that allowed them to run a pensioner utopia where GERB-like structures were bribing the old people for votes, which caused the collapse in the first place. Which is what I explained above when the other guy asked me about the potential downsides

>>509033806
The mafiosos in Gerb are using different levers at the moment. And the only good thing that can be said about them is that they maintained low levels of debt.
And Bulgaria's debt is so low that you would need half your remaining life to become like Greece.
Also the smart Bulgarian voter can always vote for more fiscally responsible people if they wish.

Paying less interest is not a precondition for a debt spiral and not the cause of one.
Nothing is stopping the loan-taking now, either.

>>509015553
Mob rule is strength of monarchy. Unpopular monarch gets drawn and quartered, unpopular traitorous prime minister gets vited out and enjoys lifetime of luxury.
Kill traitors, they are worse than niggers

>>509015390 (OP)
Dude, transitioning to Euro is a precursor to switching to dollars. Y’all will eventually adopt real money (dollars) once everyone is on board with Euros.

>>509034388
>The mafiosos in Gerb are using different levers at the moment.
No they're not. They're stealing from EU gibs and are using them as bribes to erect municipal strongholds. This will become multi-billion once they have access to the cheap loans, which our new credit rating will allow for.

>And Bulgaria's debt is so low that you would need half your remaining life to become like Greece.
That's cool. Let's use it for something productive instead of GERB/DPS subsidies.

>Also the smart Bulgarian voter can always vote for more fiscally responsible people if they wish.
This is a non-argument when the elections are literally stolen in broad daylight by these two parties. "Just vooote for it bro", meanwhile the majority of the country is anti-GERB, anti-DPS and anti-Euro, and none of these three objectives are even close to being accomplished. This is not an issue of voting or of "stupid Bulgarians voting for something that isn't gibs" and any attempts at painting it as that are bad faith Gerbophilic apologists (like PPDB).

>>509021360
no one cares about your opinion, you fucking loser
Bulgaria can't get a stable government
You retards are too stupid to even fix bridges on your own
Everyone is leaving your redneck because you can't do shit on your own

You will get euros and you will like it

>>509015390 (OP)
if its the same as in Poland then referendum on joining the EU was also about joining Euro - you can't choose - no euro no eu - all you can do is to stall indefinitely as we do.

>>509015390 (OP)
the euro is bad for America, why would they want Bulgaria in the euro zone lmao

>>509015390 (OP)
Do whatever you can to stay away from the euro, it will rape your nation and the common folk with just suffer for it, hanging the politicians and their family that push for it would be the best solution, these are all pedo-kikes 100% of the times.

>>509035197
we're not "stalling", we still haven't met met the fucking criteria
they don't want us in

>>509035043
> They're stealing from EU gibs and are using them as bribes to erect municipal strongholds
Correct. But that is not the pension paradise that we were discussing
> Let's use it for something productive instead of GERB/DPS subsidies.
I am all for it, but the majority of people having the right to vote directly or indirectly disagree with me
>elections are literally stolen
The main reason for that is that you have a couple of million people who refuse to vote.
And the same idiotic worldviews that prevent them from improving control over their country are also used to make most of them afraid of the Euro.
Ironic, but that's where we are.

>>509028170
It's incredibly stable as its pegged to the former DM. I know because our currency is the same. Two Bosnian Marks equal one Euro and it's been like this here for more than two decades. They have an identical system, but the thing is they let them into the EU prematurely, so I assume they allowed this to go on for as long as it did so they can develop a more stable economy before going to the Euro. Had they gone to the Euro sooner, they wouldn't collapse economically, but they'd collapse demographically.

>>509035350
>Indebted to this Rothchlid central bank
>Or that Rothchild central bank
>They are competing in my mind

>>509035395
Yeah, but truth is you're capable of having an economy with a fiscal and monetary policy of your own. The zloty is free on the FOREX, whereas the Bulgarian currency is pegged to the Deutsche Marke, so you are infinitely more ready than Bulgaria ever was. I think the EU is simply tired of staying unconsolidated on a global scene that is increasingly more volatile. The US interest is to prevent Chinese use of potential maritime traffic as Bulgaria has access to the Black sea.

>>509035395
that’s our excuse - if we wanted to we were close enough multiple times to join - we can hide 30% of our debt if it prevent constitutional locking of expenses in coming years and we could not do it to join euro?
politicians want to have their own money printing press - they don’t wan to share power to press print money button with politicians from 30 countries that might be less corrupt then they are - thanks to interest rates above inflation billions go to banking sector from budget - this year it transfered 80 mbillion - by cutting interes rate to match inflation it would keep 20 billion pln in budget - but that’s not the point isn’t it?

>>509035789
the US opposed the establishment of the EU and the eurozone
though we are supposedly allies
a united economic block with one currency is worse than a handful of separate countries with separate currencies to play divide and conquer with
this is basic knowledge
also it's Rot-schild, not Roth-child you dumb American

>>509015390 (OP)
>If you're trying to collapse the EU then doing something like this is perhaps the absolute first prerequisite - and they're doing it right now.
Hope is a virtue, so let us hope.

>>509035560
>Correct. But that is not the pension paradise that we were discussing
What? What are you even saying? I don't want GERB and Peevski to have access to free billions and indebt my entire future lineage to stay in power like Erdogan. I don't want my country to be a poorer more collapsed version of Turkey. I don't care if they erect municipal strongholds or do pensions like the Eurozone countries like Greece - the point is that these people should NOT have access to money and should NOT control the country under such transition. They should be kept out of power for a minimum of a few years so all of their regulators get flushed out and so that not a single euro can touch their hands.

>but the majority of people having the right to vote directly or indirectly disagree with me
What disagrees with you? The elections are being stolen and you have prostitute parties like PPDB who're as corrupt as GERB and betrayed their electorate and whitewashed Boyko. Again - what are you even saying? Who's voting for what? Who's voting for gibs and who's voting for Peevski?

I think that you're not saying anything and are only trying to excuse GERB's destruction. A lot like your favorite PPDB controlled opposition plants who refuse to vote in the no confidence votes. Every time someone asks them, "but why didn't you support the anti-GERB vote", they come with some idiotic sophism like you're throwing at me right now. "First we accept the Euro, and then we heckin btfo GERB!". Nigger GERB will become permanently irremovable if they get access to the money from the currency board and the low interest loans. We'd get Erdogan on steroids.

>>509035971
>that’s our excuse - if we wanted to we were close enough multiple times to join - we can hide 30% of our debt if it prevent constitutional locking of expenses in coming years and we could not do it to join euro?
They will falsify your data if you ask them to. That is what they did to us.

>>509035560
> million people who refuse to vote
everyone just realized that voting doesn't do shit. You can vote whatever you want and the politicians can just do whatever they want. There's literally no accountability, therefore there is no point.

>>509017394
Nothing is more important than Greenland imo
>No native populace for the most part, you can import settlers and pick the culture based on who you approve for the homestead act
>Oil
>Polar shipping lanes
>Large amount of territorial water
>Would be our own territory to do with as we please
VS
>Bulgaria
>Country on par with Belarus in terms of playing both sides
>More Petrodollar/reserve currency shenanigans
>Forces the US to prop up its interests in Bulgaria (bad for US and Bulgaria as it prevents both from focusing on domestic issues)
>EU won’t take this lying down, will funnel more money and influence into Bulgaria
>Both sides would likely sour about the deal later
Simple as

>>509036873
well until we join we can do this by our own - they will simply look the other way...
but after joining it will be much harder to cut corners and cheat - and you loose "get out of debt at expense of your citizens" card (devaluing your currency by high inflation - low interest rates combo)

>>509037847
That's not true at all. Greenland offers some major strategic advantage over Europe, but Bulgaria (and by Bulgaria I mean the Balkans in general) offers so much that you can practically control the entire Europe by using this place as a forward base against everyone. You get an instant access to the ME to petrodollar it up all you want, you get direct and the closest possible access to Crimea and Russia, you get access to Constantinople and Turkey, you get access to Yugoslavia, Italy is right next to you, and you get to micromanage Germany's relations with China and the Middle East since they're all forced to go through here. In a world where the ME will continue to develop their oil and gas production and establish more and more pipelines into Europe (look up the Qatar-Turkey pipeline if you want to know why the Syria thing happened), Bulgaria is perhaps *the* place that you'd want to control to exert full and direct influence over everyone involved. We're the actual gate into Europe. Greenland is a nice place to hold but this is right in the very center of all the happenings.

>>509036703

You were saying that the mafia is running the Greek schemes. I told you that they are not.
Then, pouring subsidies to strengthen their provincial power. I agreed, but that was not the discussion.
By the way, the bulk of that is not through EU subsidies, it's through our own budget.
>What are you even saying?
I was saying that they can become indebted even without the Euro. The Euro is not the cause of the problem.

>PPDB who're as corrupt as GERB
Completely nonsensical comparison.
Comparing a regime that has been built over 20 years (control over key judiciary, prosecution and security services) with a smaller coalition that had power for a few months and does not have the provincial networks that distribute the mafia's lifeblood - sorry these are old wives tales.

>What disagrees with you?
The actions of the majority of Bulgarian voters leads directly to the mafiotic state of the country. These actions come from their poor understanding of what is possible and what is necessary for a better country.

>controlled opposition plants
The main controlled opposition is in Vazrazhdane.
Kostadinov started his career with the help of the local GERB administration.
Turned the votes of his group at the fingersnap of the GERB - several times.
Dumb excuses about how he didn't know who was paying for his first campaigns.
Borisov has also been consistent in painting Kostadinov as a respectable, non-russian asset (he really said that on camera), and never criticizes them. After all, he had several coalitions with the previous incarnations.
In fact the only thing that is certain is that every other political player is united against PPDB, although they are laughably weak - the reason is that they are the only ones that have a genuinely oppositional core. BSP and ITN have been bought, Vazrazhdane is on a leash, DPS and GERB are practically a single party now.


>Nigger GERB will become permanently irremovable
This is not dependent on accepting or refusing the Euro

>>509038707
>You were saying that the mafia is running the Greek schemes.
Yes.
>I told you that they are not.
Yes they are. The money is being given to paid voters instead of pensioners. It's the same thing but you're dilating and coping.

>I was saying that they can become indebted even without the Euro.
Ok, this is not a pro-Euro argument. We can become without the Euro, but we didn't. So we're safe. We become less safe if borrowing becomes easier. Period.

>Completely nonsensical comparison.
PPDB ruled alongside GERB, had a leaked recording of its leader plotting to "whitewash" Boyko, and that same leader literally just resigned over another corruption scandal that his party was involved in. What are you saying?

>Borisov has also been consistent in painting Kostadinov as a respectable, non-russian asset
Ok - go out and protest against Boyko then. Oops, you're not. All of the anti-GERB protests are from Velichie and Revival, both supposed to be the long arm of Boyko. While your party is collapsing in real time for being the long arm of Boyko.

>This is not dependent on accepting or refusing the Euro
It's very dependent on it which is why their entire party is completely unanimously pro-Euro.

>>509039402
> It's the same thing
No it is not, because Bulgaria is in a very different situation from where Greece was.
>We become less safe if borrowing becomes easier.
There is no debt limit in Bulgaria today. This is a circular argument. They have been able to increase the debt for years already.
It does not become easier, it becomes cheaper.
That's not an argument against the Euro either.
Also, there will be stricter oversight of Bulgarian banks and their lending & borrowing - less opportunity for money laundering.
> leaked recording
You have not listened to any of the leaks in full...
First, because the "whitewashing" comments were specifically mention as something negative in the leaked conversations. We can agree that it's a stupid compromise, but the point is that the leak showed a very negative attitude towards working with GERB.
Second, the "new leaks" specifically recorded that nobody in leadership positions is involved.
To make it even funnier, the leak clearly says that they do not want to pressure any business.
The leaks were done with special snooping by the secreted service - we know that DPS-GERB control them and they are only targeting PPDB, again and again.
>Velichie and Revival
In the meantime all litigation against both Vazrazhdane and Velichie, and their leaders, has been put on hold.
Because it is used to control them. They are safe and their protests are just smoke in the eyes of their followers.
>party collapsing in real time for being the long arm of Boyko
The whole attack was prepared with Boyko's approval, he is visibly happy about it and one of the reasons is that he faced real opposition in Sofia.
>go out and protest against Boyko then. Oops, you're not
I have been to so many protests that I doubt many 4chan users can reach the miles that I have walked.
>It's very dependent on it
It is not hurting them and they can benefit as much as anyone else, but it is nowhere near their top instrument.

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