Or is all of this occult stuff just fantasy?

>>509035877 (OP)
It's all a LARP fantasy, yeah. Like lord of the rings roleplay, same sort of stuff.

>>509035877 (OP)
It might work for fame. Crowley was famous and so too was Jimmy Paige of Led Zeppelin who famously bought Crowley's manor. George Thorogood, Robert Johnson, and Jimmy Hendrix also allegedly "sold their soul to the devil" for fame, which led to their tragic early deaths.

>>509035877 (OP)
depends on how you define magic. was he literally summoning the physical bodies of demons? probably not. was he charismatic and charming to an otherworldly degree for a someone who was supposedly a sickly private school boy with an isolated and lonely life of no companionship until he went to egypt and read some spooky books? yes. i personally would describe that kind of complete 180 transformation of personality and skills overnight magic but thats just me.

>>509036133
> "sold their soul to the devil" for fame
didn't Bob Dylan too?
was aleister crowley simply doing that as well or was he something higher in the black magic area?

>>509036903
nah bob just knew people. he famously was roy orbison's bottom bitch and also introduced the beatles to weed.

>>509035877 (OP)
He was a real black magician and he used all of his energy to play with mens assholes.

>>509036133
>George Thorogood
>tragic early deaths
wtf anon?

>>509035877 (OP)
I really don't know, anon

>>509035877 (OP)
that's a photo of Churchill, retard, but you knew that

>>509036455
> he charismatic and charming to an otherworldly degree
ok but this can sometimes be defined as magic, as it seems to be greater than what people are normally capable of.

also, any idea what books he was digging into over in Egypt? Are they familiar with this kind of stuff over there?

>>509037437
oh really? they look very similar. Shocking, isn't it?

>>509037460
he never said in plain english what he saw, who he spoke to, what he did, or what he read; but here is a complete collection of his writings https://larabell.org/Hanuman/
its all very poemy, metaphorical, and hard to parse.

>>509037576
not that similar

>>509037576
hehe, no one will believe you, goyim

>>509036903
Bob Dylan just epic trolled an interviewer once about making a pact and people thought he was serious. He was just an astroturfed Jew

>>509035877 (OP)
It was just a cover for him being a Bong spy and homosexual

>yeah m8 I need to be in germany because umm occult stuff
>um yeah m8 I need to eat your splooge on a cracker because occult stuff!

>>509035877 (OP)
that guy and winston churchill
did that during WW2
that guy acted as that other guy

>>509037576
>churchill
30 November 1874
Blenheim, Oxfordshire, England
>crowley
12 October 1875
Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, England

its not that crazy for two people born a year apart in neighboring counties of an inbread area like rural england to look like eachother

>>509035877 (OP)
what winston churchill did was to confuse everyone about the war

>>509035877 (OP)

Crowleysplaining was always the real magic trick here. The tabloids ate it up, christening him “The Wickedest Man Alive” – pure engagement bait centuries before Twitter trolls weaponized bad takes. Behind the goat sacrifices and bisexual orgies (his version of shock YouTube pranks) lay the depressing truth: he died broke and half-forgotten. The Beast 666? More like mid-tier occult content creator chasing clout through controversy.

>>509037712
>now compromised and demonic entity who sold their soul to devil for fame
>just an astroturfed Jew
what's the difference here, anon? I'm not following.

>>509035877 (OP)

>>509037809
one would think they'd come up with a better cover, and yet here we are all these years later, thinking he was actually an occultist.

>>509037831
not sure I follow but english isn't my strong suit.

>>509037941
>
its not that crazy for two people born a year apart in neighboring counties of an inbread area like rural england to look like eachother
aww, gotcha. it's all just a cohencidence. Got it.

>>509035877 (OP)
No, he was either Ukrainian or Jewish.
100% of his claims was fake.

>>509038153
so he was a mix between a nuisance streamer and an OF boss babe?

he also played the role of barbara bush

>>509038767
All the faux-Egyptian posing is the most revealing thing. A great deal of it stems from Napoleon's invasion of Egypt at the start of the 19th century. To give it a veneer of legitimacy he brought scientists along with him to document the ruins and art - and they did a spectacular job producing really remarkable books that showcased it all (and to be fair the ancient Egyptians had some legit art and architecture). But it became a meme for the rest of the century (and to some degree remains so today). Dressing up in faux-pharaonic gear and muttering about the wisdom of the mysterious gods of Egypt was a shortcut to creating the impression of Deep Thoughts for a long time. This was picked up by every occult influencer at the time but it looks pretty silly by current year standards.

>>509039273
This, so much this. I'm glad there are still smart people on this board

>>509038638
its not like they really look that similarly anon, they're just chuncky british dudes. they've both got the "luv me club" ogre look about them is all. crowley and churchill were connected but i think its a stretch to say they're the same person when they'd have to be in two places at once for much of ww2

>>509035877 (OP)
Crowley is the (((jew approved))) kaballah occult they allowed to go mainstream.
There's other alchemical adepts who aren't into the dark cadever weirdness those fugly kikes like.
Would have to know latin to learn about them. (jews don't teach latin for a reason)

/x/ anon here. it's all real. black magic is real, the occult is real.

>>509035877 (OP)
He was very low level compared to a real bruja / shaman or witch but he was for real. Obviously reading his psychobabble and lighting a candle to fuck your coworker aren't exactly the same thing. Not everyone makes it.

>>509039628
>jews dont teach latin
I took ap latin in highschool numbnuts.

>>509039159
>uncanny
i must admit, that's entirely possible. if he found an elixir of (extended) life, or a method to inhabit other bodies, then it's probably true.

read some of these book
to understand how fucked up these people are

>>509035877 (OP)
Yes and he knew some stuff but he didn't have the soul for greater things
Marina abramovich is way stronger with the dark arts than he was but he had the talent to think of them

>>509035877 (OP)
Belief is a powerful tool.

>>509035877 (OP)
Crowley was a charlatan who did it all for pussy and notoriety and died a disgraced loser.

>>509039427
>two places at once for much of ww2
i don't know man. the resemblance itself doesn't mean they're the same person. it's just odd at how two very prominent figures look remarkably similar. like father-son, or immediate brothers even. like Henry Lee lucas, the serial killer claiming to have killed hundred (but only accounted for 11) who was pardoned by Bush in Texas, looks alarmingly like a Bush himself, ney?

>>509038038
>>509037460
This is cringe. I just cleaned a frying pan. The pan was dirty and I wanted (willed) it to be clean. The change occured because I cleaned the pan so therefore this is magic? I don't get it

Is it possible to differentiate magic from imagination?

>>509040584
They don't teach you the good latin from the Middle Ages to battle kikes.
They teach you the classical Rome era Latin. That's good too.
Not as useful for destroying kikes through Light Magic occult like the Medieval Latin.

>>509040512
so he's not a "bruja" or shaman or witch. What would you say he is? is he mostly larper then with a little tricks up his sleeve or did he dabble into other areas than shaman? apparently he summoned a demon who he couldn't get rid of, that haunted his house out in scotland or wherever countryside. his friend and groundskeeper lived there, terrorized by the blasted thing throughout his time there.

>>509040673
> read some of these book
> "The Book of the SubGenius"
alrighty, will do. Is it just one book or are there more in the set? I've found the one in picrel.

>>509041031
Apparently they sounded similar too. I haven't been able to locate the quote but I recall reading it in a few places.
>"Crowley does not sound like Churchill. Churchill sounds like Crowley."
> - Crowley

>>509041031
oh they were very much related, maybe not by blood, but definitely by objective and community.
>>509041231
once you know classical you can at least get started on medieval dialects, its a great way to get your foot in the door of the subject. its even easier if you know some modern romance languages and german as you can approach medieval latin from both sides while learning.

>>509041726
> learn medieval latin
where would you find these esoteric medieval latin writings?

>>509041587
There are two related streams here. Church of the SubGenius and the various Illuminatus!-derived media (in particular Discordianism). Just be aware that these are rabbit holes you can go down, but they are all extinct grandpa memes at this point, sans the occasional latter-day kid discovering them for the first time. That they are both examples of the many streams of culture-destructive media from the time goes without saying and you'll find the usual suspects somewhere in the chain.

>>509041904
old bookstores and antique shops in europe. i have quite a few pre-1500s books, the oldest i have is dated 843.

>>509036133
>George Thorogood
He's still alive bro

>>509038153
A lot of the tabloid stuff was simply to make great cover. He was a spy for the crown. This isn't disputed, just downplayed. I'm not saying he didn't practice magic, quite a lot, but the public sensationalism served a larger purpose: it allowed him access to all sorts of elite inner circles in many different countries.

He died broke because that's the logical outcome of letting yourself be used by higher powers that don't care about human life the way we do. Those powers might be governments, companies, spirits or some combination...it doesn't matter. He burned through his inheritance and lived as a conduit/servant for larger forces. That's all he wanted to do apparently because he could've easily bought some orphan and widow stocks or whatever people with money did back then to plan for retirement. He just chose not to.

>>509035877 (OP)
>black magic
Is that you call taking bbc every night? Because that's all he was capable of

>>509036133
>George Thorogood
I DRINK ALONE
YEAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH
WITH NOBODY ELSE

>>509035877 (OP)
lol you have no idea what’s happening do you
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>>509043353
i think you're confusing "the occult/dark arts/black magic" with a black man named Magic Johnson.

>>509044050
> no idea what’s happening
depends, i might know more than i'm leading on...

he was a glowie who infiltrated occult groups and secret societies.

>>509045047
ok, so occultism is real, but crowley was a glowie larping as an occultist?

>>509035877 (OP)
He was a LARPing faggot that literally had a telekinetic war like Cartman did on the psychic detective episode of South Park.

>>509035877 (OP)

occultists know some shit about this world, it's just that they almost exclusively misinterpret the mystical experiences they are receiving and run off to invent some kooky religion on account of it.

Crowley, LaVey, Blavatsky, all of them talented in their own regard yet they all succumbed to the ego which they preached so often against.

Trumps maternal grandfather, Crowley. Trumps father is L Ron Hubbard. Watch the Trump Moonchild video.

>>509035877 (OP)
he was able to drink some soju & teleport himself to Uranus

>>509041323
He summoned tons of shit yes choronzon as he called it he could not get rid of it or appease and that was his downfall... But he did tons of shit before that. I don't have an applicable label for him but prior to poetically amalgamating the thelema religion he surpassed the other occultists in the a.:.a.:. Order
>is he mostly larper then with a little tricks up his sleeve or did he dabble into other areas than shaman?
He didn't "dabble" the only ones that succeed at this stuff do it 247 he just wasn't as good as he thought he was none of them really were it's not his fault it's let's call it the "genetics" he was born with. In today's age with all the mixing (from various people's) and experience people can get and also drugs to hasten the process it's like comparing night and day. Also subnote he didn't realize that there were more powerful magicians and that what he did wasn't really that big of a deal. Most of his time was spent brainwashing himself with Egyptian-kabbalistic correspondences getting drunk and doing magical orgies. But I digress.

>>509045578
*Doing heroin idk how much he drank

>>509035877 (OP)
he knew it was all a grift and played the game extremely well

>>509035877 (OP)
It's not "black magic" it's sex and blood libel and yes, he did it, but could not control it.
After he found out what it was and that he had no control over it it wigged him out and he spent the rest of his time (which admittedly wasn't much) demonizing it and warning people not to be an idiot like him fucking with stuff that would ruin their life like it did for him.

>>509037437
Responsible for the largest ever human sacrifice, but you knew that.

>>509041127
They never answer this question. I ask it anyway knowing there won't be a response.

is there a reason why all these 20th century occultists really liked indian and jewish magic but somehow left out the chinese, who, by my understanding have a much better canon of all sorts of magic and occult practices?

>>509046019
>he spent the rest of his time (which admittedly wasn't much) demonizing it and warning people not to be an idiot like him fucking with stuff that would ruin their life like it did for him.
ok i wasn't aware of this part. When did he "repent," so to speak? How many years was he a recovering occultist, warning others etc.?

>>509046762
>Indian magic
Lol rofl even

>>509046090
because it's a retarded comparison and just by reading it i can tell you're insufferable to argue with, so no point in making my case.

>>509040629
Think he was her father

>>509041904
>Esoteric medieval writings
Hey bro let me fill you in on something it only sounds esoteric because your mind doesn't know it. All you're going to find is a god fearing extremely simplstic and diluted manuscript written by a priest from the 1500s. Waste of time and $ (a lot of $)

>>509047493
what would you call tantric practices and siddhis then?

>>509048050
Depraved sex shit without lizards and moral paradoxes wrapped in an enigma of superiority complexes for you to put faith in. ... 0 magic of any kind 0

>>509047466
He didn't really repent and it was the last couple years he was alive. He lamented for having done the rituals that ended up summoning things because it brought great torment to the people around him, the areas they did them in, the people around those areas and himself personally.
There's various memoirs about this out there but it's been a long time since I read about him.
To paraphrase what I remember he was upset about soul contracts he didn't know were soul contracts and he thought it was kind of a meme doing ancient cabalist rituals in his study to measure what does and doesn't work.
Once he found out that you can't just move and the bad stuff goes away as well as the mental and spiritual drain he was sad that he played with powers outside of typical mortal control.
In a sense he was just kind of a puppet with a curiosity of esoteric morbid stuff and was bread crumbed into doing these things so other people could see what would happen so they didn't have to suffer the same way he did.
The last couple years of his life he spent a lot of time meditating away from the public but when he did go out spent most of his time around people warning them not to bind themselves to things that will consume them.

>>509041127
its like how frying an egg can be considered chemistry. the denaturing of protein and caramelization of sugars are very real chemical reactions, but its mundane cooking when viewed at a macro level. its not capital "C" Chemestry. cleaning the pan is imposing your will to by definition its magick in the thelemic sense, but it's not "Magick" in the accepted colloquial context.

>>509048577
>imposing your will to it, by definition
excuse the typo

>>509047493
>Indian magic
>Makes your life savings disappear.

>>509048294
not that I completely disagree, I really dislike those indian practices as well. but i wouldnt write them of completely. looking at the state of india i am quite sure they are in contact with some powerful demons, no matter how much some patels cope and claim they worship gods

>>509035877 (OP)
>Any sufficiently powerful secret society is indistinguishable from magic

>>509047615
Ok make an example of some form of magic that is clearly seperate from thinking + acting

>>509035877 (OP)
He was pretentious faggot.

>>509040475
Yes, true, this is ehy christianity is true

>>509046075
yeah, but he's not Crowley, and you knew that