Thread 509050381

Is piracy nigger behavior?

niggers dont know how to pirate, a human intelligence is needed

>>509050381 (OP)
chinese, actually

>>509050381 (OP)
>"It's not stealing when I do it!"
The usual hypocrisy I expect out of your beta orbiter retards.

How is it stealing when nothing changes hands?

>>509050381 (OP)
if software isnt property stealing isnt theft.
Also fuck your dumb bot how many times are you going to make this shit thread.

>>509050381 (OP)
Not if it's against jews

>>509050381 (OP)
probably, but paying hundreds of dollars for streaming services is good goy behavior.

>>509050381 (OP)
copyrights last too long and should be never more than a single decade, that would solve the majority of issues with intellectual piracy

>>509050457
this
payfags need the rope

kill yourself spamming faggot

>>509050381 (OP)
Yes. Pay don't steal. I am sure /pol/ will have copes, but then /pol/ would bash a child molester while they are doing things 10X worse with little boys themselves truth be told.

>>509050581
Ah yes, the classic non-sequitur
If all car manufacturers decided that, instead of selling cars, they loaned the cars to you instead, would taking their car without their permission and not paying them for it constitute theft?

>>509050381 (OP)
Yes but it is unfathomably based because there is literally nothing they can do about it and it makes them eternally seethe

>>509050381 (OP)
if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing. simple as

>>509050936
>>509050851

>>509050851
You're jewish.
not the same thing, subhuman nigger.
Some software does not have the option to be owned, not the same thing with cars.

There's no licensing with cars.

>>509050961
nice try glownigger, did you get your memo from your boss about shilling for Saas (Software as a service) ?

You jew bitch.

>jew posts the same thread immediately after getting dunked on in the first one
gradually i began to hate them

>>509050977
A lease is a license. You can lease a car. If all car manufacturers decided to lease all of their cars rather than selling them, would taking those cars without permission and without paying them constitute theft?
>pointless niggerbrain seething
kek

>>509050381 (OP)
Nigger

>>509050851
>Ah yes, the classic non-sequitur
>If all car manufacturers decided that, instead of selling individual cars, they cloned them and sold copies to you instead, would taking a copy of their car without their permission and not paying them for it constitute theft?
ftfy

>>509051168
>if replicating it has zero cost, that makes it different somehow

i see they unleashed the obnoxious troll ai to attack a different problematic subject

>>509050471
Stealing shoes and TVs removes inventory.
Copying numbers off of the internet does not.

Piracy isn't stealing.

>>509051130
>If all car manufacturers decided
But you they wont and if they all decided it it would become a monopoly
>if we gas all the jews we would all live a better life
If we're into phantasy.

There's a fine line between intelectual property and trying to establish a monopoly through fake dependency on a product.
Such behavior is illegal in the very spirit of the law.

>>509051355
A distinction without a difference
You are still taking something of theirs without their permission and without compensation.
That's theft, plain and simple.

>>509050381 (OP)
Hell ya brother. Giving lots of money to Jews to watch the latest goyslop is proper white man behavior.

>>509050381 (OP)
I approve piracy of audio and video and software, why should the poor make the rich more richer, only the poor would bother to pirate that stuff, people with plenty of money are just going to buy that stuff anyway

>>509051483
I'm not trying to justify it. But it's not stealing.

Piracy is the white mans looting.

>>509050381 (OP)
pirates are cool

>>509051310
asmongold went viral with a video defending piracy so jews unleashed the kike bots to counter signal as expected

once you start seeing these patterns there's really no going back. the board is just ruined for you

>>509050457
thats why its still only frowned upon to download here

>>509051483
not if you try to establish a monopoly and a fake dependency with software as a service.
Then piracy becomes an obligation you may convince the legal system to be on your side, but the spirit of the law beats the letter of the law.

Basically if we fast forward the parameters of the problem your jewishness presents you always lose.

>>509050381 (OP)
>nigger behavior
I cannot WAIT to read all the massive copes and hypocrisy in the comments from fat ass porno lunatics and beta males who can't fight!

>>509051483
so you agree when steam blocks access to your "purchase" because someone didn't like what you said it's theft >>509050936

>>509051678
>not if *irrelevant contingency*
not an argument. theft is not contingent on things you dislike.

>>509051168
>>If all car manufacturers decided that, instead of selling individual cars, they cloned them and sold copies to you instead, would MAKING a copy of their car without their permission and not paying them for it constitute theft?
"Piracy" in this context is a violation of intellectual property rights, not theft. Theft involves taking something from someone, who then no longer has it.

>>509050381 (OP)
no, it's reading a newspaper forgotten on the bus
if you want to read EVERY PAPER every day
then subscribe to it
"piracy" is sharing/propaganda

>>509050581
Kek
>>509050381 (OP)
Well you wouldnt download a car.

>>509051738
No because, per steam's terms and conditions, you agree that they have the right to revoke your license to that content at any time for any reason. You never owned it to begin with. You purchased a revocable license.

>>509050381 (OP)
its white behavior
vikings were the greatest pirates
the most infamous carribean pirates were french and british

>>509051483
>You are still taking something of theirs
No, they still have the originals, you just have a copy.

>>509051761
Theft is not contingent on whether they lose something. It's simply taking something they own without their permission.

>>509050381 (OP)
Not when retailers are jews or racketeering on prices. It's a corrective process to guardrail them from fucking over the consumer.

>>509051753
then we agree to disagree.
We're going to vote people into power that are on our side and we'll make your jewish tricks illegal while you kvetch.

If there are none and the situation becomes bad enough men will break the social contract (imagine the worse).
... you always lose dumbfuck, this is what you jews dont understand, you're on borrowed time.

>>509051918
Theft is not contingent on whether or not you like their business practices. It's still theft and therefore nigger behavior

>>509050381 (OP)
After napster shut down, I never gave a single dollar to the MPAA or the RIAA again. I pirated and seeded so hard you could call me captain ejaculation. I only stopped when I gave up computers.. cleaning rootkits became too scary and hard to detect.. phone is enough interaction with retards for me

>>509051823
That. If I never truly own it, how is piracy a crime anymore?

>>509051678

Shut up you ego inflated bitch. You're so transparent you get spotted even at 100mi/h scrolling speed.
Go smell Bucharest farts from the balcony. Call your parents there too for an orchestra.

>>509051960
>agree to disagree
No, you are just factually incorrect. It's not a disagreement, you are just wrong.

>>509050381 (OP)
No. Next thread.

>>509052014
Because they own it, and you are taking it without their permission.

>>509050381 (OP)
No, copyright is a kike invention. Books, movies, games etc can be shared or copied so there’s no reason not to pirate. I use zlibrary and ready so much more now because of it. If anything it sells more books, because usually if I like a book I buy a physical copy to add to my library.

>>509051914
>It's simply taking something they own
This involves loss. The item in question is no longer in their possession. Piracy is a violation of copyright (which concerns how copies of intellectual property are to be handled), not theft.

>>509051823
Ok so according to my terms and conditions they don't own anything and I can acquire whatever I want at my leisure

>>509050851
Yes.

>>509051823
Steam is a totally different thing than the software as a service you're trying to advocate.
Steam is a distributer platform and a very ethical company.

>>509052086
If they agree to it.

>>509051823
but i thought it was the same as stealing a car? i purchase a car outright the dealer can't come back a year later and repo it because he doesn't like the way i drive. so it seems software IS different

>>509052071
It doesn't involve loss. If someone takes something of yours, uses it, and returns it, you have not lost something, yet they still stole it.

>>509052023
Ok, im wrong.

>>509050381 (OP)
it's not nigger behavior when the companies are engaging in like shenanigans


>you VVILL pay and own nothing
of there's nothing to own there's nothing to steal, whomp whomp

>>509052141
Their agreement isn't required, I get what I want and they don't because fuck them. I declare I rightfully own everything they think belongs to them.

>>509052164
>If someone takes something of yours
There's the loss. See it?

>>509052150
If the car is being leased to you, and you agreed that they could revoke that license for any reason, then yes they could do that.

>>509051611
heck in the end it's gonna be FOSS or it's gonna be "the garden" not everybody is meant to live in the garden that's why it's walled
most of us live in the jungle
we can take pictures of it, but we're not IN the garden
so in the end it's up to pirates to make THEIR shit important or interesting
anybody can draw a fake louis buitton logo, but it's not ORIGINAL, so it's pirated
is it wrong? no, is it REAL?, no
so where's the "harm" it's in the kikes fake "losses" of what they "would have gotten"
but I'm not ever gonna buy your goddamn hollywood slop

>>509052017
yes, anon, anyone can search images on archive for plebs.

Is this new to your unwashed moldovan ass ? Did you take your weekly shower ?

>>509052206
Then no, that has no legal validity, and is not comparable to a service agreement.

Someone created the content that you would pirate, and they are not getting the profits they should make from their efforts.

I don't care about arguments saying it doesn't matter, like "I wouldn't buy it if I had to pay for it, so they wouldn't make profits from me anyway". It's still unethical to steal something. You're still taking advantage of someone's work.

The same thing goes for making a copy from someone who paid for the work. Maybe your friend paid for a movie. It's ok to watch it with them, but not ok to make a copy of your own

>>509052213
No, because they returned it. You didn't lose anything.

>>509052275
Society is fake and laws aren't real

>>509050381 (OP)
Never seen a shit thread repeat itself so quick.
All fields.

>>509050381 (OP)
Never seen a shit thread repeat itself so quick.
All fields.

>>509052280
>"I wouldn't buy it if I had to pay for it, so they wouldn't make profits from me anyway".
You could make this same argument for physical theft as well.

>>509052285
That does not retroactively erase the theft from history. It happened. What happens after that does not change that it happened. There is no loss (at all) in making unauthorized copies. The owner of the intellectual property was not deprived of anything. Very different situations.

>>509052285
so then you didn't have it stolen?
right?
OOOOHHHH muh neighbor "borrowed" my machete without me knowing, but he put it back, in the same perfect condition, and I didn't notice nuffin
OFFICCER we're all communist here but that goes too far!
>go away kike

>>509052232
>hypothetically
k i see you just want to play devil's advocate here rather than contribute any meaningful argument

>>509050381 (OP)
It’s as ethical as borrowing a book from a library. More ethical even, as no tax payer has to maintain some blue hair groomer employee to keep it operating. Sharing is caring.

>>509052447
Yes, exactly. That's because theft is not contingent on whether or not you lose the item. They stole it, it doesn't matter whether they returned it or that it was never gone to begin with. It's theft because they took it without permission of the owner.

Piracy is the nigger solution to the Jewish Question.

>>509052594
niggers aren't smart enough to figure that out, it's only whites who pirate

Somebody took a picture of my work after I finished a construction project. Am I the victim of theft??? I never consented to having copies of my work made.

>>509052003
yessss I bought like 300 cd's I had downloaded from napster
I used them for finding interesting new media and artists
when they killed it, I vowed to never buy from them fuckers ever again
and have held it up to this day
I have never again bought a song, a movie, a dvd, I got rid of my television and dvd player and cd player, never bought a gaystation, or a new nintendo console, or a game, or anything
FUCK
THEM
and now they don't even HAVE anything worth keeping as physical media

>>509052454
>>509052507
You are brown
>>509052707
A photograph of your construction project is not a copy of your construction project.

>>509051972
theft is white behavior
whites stole civilization from meds and persians

>>509052744
>A photograph of your construction project is not a copy of your construction project.
I don't have the musical group playing the copy of the song either.

>>509052744
ok, give me the US files on JFK, Monika Lewinski, Epstein i'll just take a picture of them.

Stupid jew

>>509050381 (OP)
Piracy is almost always a service problem

>>509052744
there you go, attack the author instead of trying to present a sound argument

>>509050381 (OP)
No, because piracy is about demanding better service, not about stealing

>>509052067
what do they "own"
the bytes that some program uses to traduce to sound?
the bytes that some program uses to traduce to "letters" on your computer screen?
what is the OWNERSHIP there you fuckin' cuck
nothing
that's what
it's just "i had this idea, don't copy it", sowwy babby, but internal combustion engines are a good idea I'll make my own

Yes. Because when you would like to purchase something, you BUY IT WITH MONEY, not STEAL IT FROM A RUSSIAN PIRATE WEBSIGHT

riddle me this:
if you have a bicycle in your garage, and one morning you walk in and notice the bicycle is gone... How does that make you feel?
You're upset, so you go on a walk to clear your head. While on your little stroll, you notice someone zip past you on a bicycle. It's you're bicycle.
So you sprint and catch up to the culprit, and call the police.
When the police arrive, the criminal says "I did not steal this bike, I merely pirated it"

The cops would laugh all the way back to the jail, with the criminal in the back seat of their paddywagon.

Piracy is theft. It is no different from going to a store and stealing sunscreen or toothpaste.

But then again, you retards will probably argue
>"OH, you don't actually *own* the tooth paste, because as you use it... it starts to disappear"
retards.

>>509052542
>theft is not contingent on whether or not you lose the item.
theft
noun
the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
No loss of an item, no theft. Other crimes may be involved (violation of intellectual property rights, for example), but if someone is not illegally deprived of something, theft has not occurred.

>They stole it, it doesn't matter whether they returned it or that it was never gone to begin with.
In the case of taking a physical object without permission, yes. But in the case of digital piracy, nothing has been taken. There have simply been additional (unauthorized) copies made of some proprietary media.

>>509052822
Correct. If you managed to be in the vicinity of the musical group recording a new song, and you recorded it, that would also not constitute theft.

>>509052895
he is very jewish.
I told him "we agree to disagree" and goes on to tell me "im wrong"... like ok nigger, im wrong.

Piracy stays, jews gonna kvetch.

>>509050381 (OP)
I'd say, pirating anything produced in the last 20 years is questionable. We need to support artists and producers. Beyond that? paying an eternal legacy tax for digital recordings? I think it's piracy to pay for the movie / software

>>509050381 (OP)
Stealing from jews is like saving a drowning baby.

>>509052961
>Correct. If you managed to be in the vicinity of the musical group recording a new song, and you recorded it, that would also not constitute theft.
I was in the vicinity of where the movie copy was being stored so it is not theft

>>509050381 (OP)
dumb question

>>509052961
if my dick happens to be in the vicinity of your mom's ass it isnt rape.

>>509050381 (OP)
also if you buy a physical copy of something like a movie or book, but you want a digitized copy for convenience and the only option is on pirate bay, to me that is also ethical, even if it was produced yesterday.

>>509052232
I do not agree
I agree to clone it, keep it, and tell them to fuck off
easy as pie
if ya don't like it, well keep it under lock and key
ohhh ya can't do that either, that's YOUR problem not mine faggot
try to put me in jail, make the goverment do your job because you can't enforce control over your products

>>509052968
i don't see how anyone could argue for what saas and gamedevs do and not be jewish

>>509052301
laws are a social construct, and if GENDER and SEX are social constructs, I think fake ass laws are WAY less worthy of attention
anyways, HEIL HITLER
death to all kikes and nigggers

>>509053063
No, because they own that movie.

>>509053140
>I do not agree
In the example, you already agreed by the terms of the lease.

>I agree to clone it, keep it, and tell them to fuck off
easy as pie
This would appear to be in compliance with the terms of the lease, supposing that the original car is returned.

>>509053179
saas is the most illegal shit ever, they try to establish a monopoly.
OP is so wrong and tried to use STEAM (a distributor) to enforce his position. Steam does not produce any software and just stores all the shitty game devs products in a place... they are a blessing.

Game devs and jews kvetch at steam

>>509053140
So, if someone kidnapped you, cloned you, and sent your clone into the world to replace you... would it be kidnapping?
Because you are locked up in a basement, next to a big vat full of boiling indian people. Your clone, on the other hand, is living your life.

If ya don't like it, well you're still in the basement.
Ohhh ya can't get out, that's YOUR problem not mine faggot
Try to escape and tell everyone what happened, they'd all think you're a schizophrenic lunatic. Your clone will be the voice of reason in this scenario.

>>509053273
>No, because they own that movie.
and they still have it

Depends.
I have pirated games and then bought them afterwards because I really liked them and wanted to support the developer.
Some other games have a completely abusive and predatory business model like for example civ 7 just came out recently with a full price of 70$ or something then they released a DLC 1 week after release for another 30$. What kind of retarded shit is that? In situations where the model is predatory I think it's morally good to pirate. There are games out there like stellaris that with all the dlcs cost like 300$. You have the be the world's biggest chump to pay that kind of money for a game.

>>509050381 (OP)
Has he forsaken us?

>>509050381 (OP)
yeah, I'm sure niggers will figure out how to run torrents any day now.
I still see those retards at the last few remaining redboxes renting dvds.

>>509053319
>if someone kidnapped you,
>would it be kidnapping?
Yes, obviously.

>>509053275
>>509053063

terms of lease are subject to consumer protection laws, you REALLLLY dont want to open that can of worms.

The more you push with your jewishness SaaS the more you're gonna get fucked by consumer protection laws.

Tranny jew devs

>>509053342
Yes. Both things can be true. You stole it and they still have it.

>>509051882
This, if i go to an art gallery and take a picture of the arts did I just heist them out of their millions? No

>>509053430
No, because the piece of art was not reproduced in this scenario.

>>509053424
>terms of lease are subject to consumer protection laws
Not in a hypothetical example concocted for the sake of conversation.

>you REALLLLY dont want to open that can of worms.
At least not until we can agree on the definitions of basic terms like theft.

>>509052750
AND the america land
heh, not like that's a bit of a matter (land can't be cloned forever without changing unlike some shit pdf)
>>509052869
heh, the epstein estate does not licence out those documents my friend
only if you're a bigshot hollywood producer from tel aviv could you maybe have a chance
>>509052943
feelings are fake, stop being a homo
also he now has exclusive access to your bike (wife), he didn't just take a clone of it, he has the actual material it's made out of
now, if some nigger came to your house, took some pictures, made a blueprint and made another exactly the same, house 1000 miles away
he'd be pirating your house
how would YOU feel if that happened?
hurt?
stolen?
sad?
is it worse than when you share your wife with the bull?

>>509050533
train ride logic

if you don't pay for your train ride, there's virtually no difference to the train

but if no one pays for their train ride, next time the train wont have funds to fuel the ride

>>509053424
>terms of lease are subject to consumer protection laws, you REALLLLY dont want to open that can of worms.
>because they miiiiight be reeled back in to the point of sanity and thaaaaaaat would be baaaaad
>>509053425
>Yes. Both things can be true. You stole it and they still have it.
Well than I paid for it while not actually giving them any money.

>>509050851
No. It would be like if I took a look at the car and copied it with my mind powers without touching the original car. Also that car wasn't sold but was given on a lease that could be taken away whenever the faggot decides.

>>509053386
>>509050381 (OP)

nice try jew game dev, Steam is based, you're a jew.. i will play your game for 3 hours and refund it on steam if you have woke shit.

No, you are not allowed to sell steam keys on other sites and use steam as your personal release/marketing thing, no, you are not allowed to have a lower price on a different platform than steam.
Everything has to be mirrored if you use steam as a distribution platform.

No, we love steam, and hate your jew devs shit games.

>>509053606
Suppose you instead use a 3D scanner, and the data is used to produce a copy that forensics cannot distinguish from the original which is still hanging on the museum's wall. What then?

>>509050381 (OP)
Only in as much as copyright shit is judaic behavior

>i 'own' this abstract thing and all things associated with in perpetuity regardless of my involvement of the work itself
>give me all your shekels goyim

>>509053690
Based and true

>>509053675
i mean from his POV, a jew game dev, if he goes into consumer protection laws he will get roasted VERY VERY hard.

>>509050381 (OP)
Stealing everything from kikes is white mans culture

>>509053753
Then that is theft. They can no longer claim that it is the original painting because you have another painting that is identical in all aspects.

>>509050381 (OP)
Absolutely not

>>509053063
it's called "bootlegging" and it's ARCHIVAL because you can't record every concert unless you're insane like frank zappa
why do they play in public if they don't want anybody to listen
???
next time you see a print of the mona lisa
remember you OWE money to the homosex italian man's estate faggot

>>509053658
Not paying for a train ticket is fare evasion, not theft. Not everything illegal or socially undesirable is theft.

>>509053842
they have an identical painting, ergo, no theft has occured

>>509050381 (OP)
>is not giving money to pedowood nigger behavior?

>>509054022
It is theft.

>>509053275
nope, I didn't enter their "lease", I got a pirated copy of it
it's not "theirs" it's MINE
you have no point other than, doing things in public should make OTHER people pay me for them
if you want exclusivity, keep it OUT of the public's hands faggot
or produce something of MATERIAL WORTH

>>509053842
>They can no longer claim that it is the original painting
Yes, they can. They have a secure chain of custody. The original has been under constant surveillance since before you were born. No one would be fooled if you tried to sell the copy as the original.

And it's still not theft because nothing has been taken.

>>509054084
>It is theft.
By what definition?

>>509053658
>next time the train wont have funds to fuel the ride
trains don't use fuel, retard. they get their power from the tracks.

that's how you know our world has no intention of making progress. In a real 21st century world, we would have roads that provide power to the cars.
Instead, no. We use gasoline, which is like earth piracy.
We're taking energy from earth (fuel, oil) and turning that energy into something that powers our cars and electric tea kettle.

Disgusting. End piracy, and End earth piracy!

>>509054124
>nope, I didn't enter their "lease", I got a pirated copy of it
We're talking about the example here >>509052232
>If the car is being leased to you, and you agreed that they could revoke that license for any reason, then yes they could do that.
You can, of course, propose your own scenarios, but in the original scenario, there was a lease agreement for a particular car owned by some entity.

>>509054179
Chain of custody means nothing, they have no way of proving that it is still the original (i.e. if you swapped it or not)

>>509050381 (OP)
copy is not stealing

>>509054270
>they get their power from the tracks.
And the track gets its power from the electrical grid, which gets its power from power plants, which use fuel.

>>509053319
yeah the kidnapping part would be kidnapping
the cloning part would be cloning, and the sending them out to replace me would be impersonation
BUT, each one is a different crime
keeping me prisioner of course, in literal hell is above a physical crime, it's spiritual, what did I do to deserve to be sitting besides a bunch of pajeets??
anyways, I don't know how the music or the movie feels in this instance
BUT
doesn't mean my clone has no right to exist once it does

>>509054084
how so ? you have your tranny jew thing and i have a different product obtained through separate means.

Buddy, you will lose this, the courts look into the balances of power; if you are a company you are stronger than any individual... if you try to establish a SaaS monopoly and take users to court you will win very small casses for a while until no one will use your jew thing and then society will absolutely ass blast you through consumer protection laws.... that's if the judge doesnt establish your behaviour illegal, trying to establish monopolies is illegal

Take your small W and walk away.

>>509050381 (OP)
Hear ye mateys, this is what a shill be like! Spineless and simping for large corporations that seek to monopolize your entertainment and art. Shills should be hanged, drawn and quartered on sight like the filthy landlubbers they are.
Movies and games are art, they should be available for free to everyone, that way the awful ones would be filtered out immediately by the crowd and the worthy ones would be supported through willing donations (as many indie games get supported by the way) Piracy is theft yes. But it's also the only valid answer to a corporate-run environment that tries to turn "art" into their cashcow.
TLDR:
Fuck you and fuck the jewish megacorps you're shilling for. I only pay for indie games and only AFTER I played through them.

>>509054455
SaaS is not a monopoly.

>>509050381 (OP)
>Is piracy nigger behavior?
What else would you call it? Stealing no matter what the cope. At least the goofy White shoplifter zoomer kids don't make copes and pretend they are moral like you faggy fucks who still live with your whore moms all do.

>>509050381 (OP)
They're forcing people to pirate. How many fucking streaming services do they expect us to sign up for?

Like, imagine you had to become a Club Member for 10 different grocery store chains because they all sold completely different food. Want butter? That's only at Alfonson's! Want hamburger? That's only at Meat Field! Want tomatoes? You can find those at Green & Lean! It's fucking ridiculous. And most of these places force you to subscribe. You can't just buy a month, or a year subscription. You have to subscribe for life - and a lot of them make you jump through hoops to unsubscribe. A lot of people actually cancel their credit cards to start fresh so they don't have to cancel 10 subscriptions over the phone.

>>509054521
trying to establish a monopoly through ANY means is illegal (SaaS is a way to establish it).

Im speaking in your language, how can you not read and understand it properly ?

>>509054332
>Chain of custody means nothing
Do you not know what that is or why people care about it in all sorts of contexts?

>they have no way of proving that it is still the original (i.e. if you swapped it or not)
The constant security video going back decades shows that you did not. Again, the original painting is still there. Making a copy of it does not constitute theft. If the painting is old, it's in the public domain, and you would legally be entirely in the clear to mass produce and sell copies of it.

>>509054420
Like I said, it's basically piracy. You're pirating the fuel from the earth to turn it into electricity.

But of course, if I plug an extension cable into my neighbors house it's considered stealing, when the fuel for that electricity was stolen (aka pirated) in the first place.

>>509054426
They're boiled, which means they're more like soup at this point.
What I'm saying is that. You weren't kidnapped, because your clone is living your life.
You, the one who was cloned, is locked up inside a basement. So that you was kidnapped, but everyone else assumes it's just you (it is the clone)

So in this case, there would be no crime because how could you argue that you were kidnapped for 14 months, when you showed up to work every day, made out with your girlfriend every night, and even managed to get the new high score in your favorite video game?

>>509054598
>HBO
>amazon
>netflix
>apple
>20 random tv shits apps

Yes

>>509053381
my wife has bought the binding of isaac like 4 times and her friends and my sister have bought it, all because I pirated a version like 10 years ago or someshit
I said damn that's a good game, and showed it to them
macmillen is a cool guy, so I'm glad he had a few extra purchases because of THE PIRATE BAY dot is
plus HUMBLE INDIE BUNDLE
he's a cool guy, he deserves the help

>>509050381 (OP)
>>509050457
Gee I hope so.

>>509054734
you're wife and her friends might be retarded

>>509054584
Theft is only morally wrong if you are stealing from somebody who doesn't deserve it. Since the entire Capitalist system is an exploitative scam that stole my happiness and my future by flooding my country with niggers and Pakis I will steal from Capitalists every chance I get.

>>509053425
kek, you're too much you fuckin heeb
you're too much
but I commend you for this nice bait
>>509053842
kekekekeke
the pilpul is strong with this one
you're not some sweet summer child, you're some old chabad knowital

>>509050623
stealing from kikes is based and redpilled

Sorry
I can't hear you over my
LOVE HIGH.
Love controlling the direction this board goes ON MY OFF TIME lolololooo

>>509050381 (OP)
Any piece of media under IP protection is inherently monopolistic and therefore is anti-free market. Piracy fixes this by starving the system of cash. Therefore, it's your moral obligation to pirate

>>509054632
>trying to establish a monopoly through ANY means is illegal
Incorrect. Utilities are usually legal monopolies that are subject to strict regulation.

>>509054691
>it's basically piracy. You're pirating the fuel from the earth to turn it into electricity.
Mining is not piracy, and neither are theft.

>>509054691
>if I plug an extension cable into my neighbors house it's considered stealing
If you use their electricity (they they pay for) without authorization, yes. It's theft of money via fraud, since to the electrical company, you are using your neighbor's account

>>509054691
>What I'm saying is that. You weren't kidnapped
.Let's check what you actually said.
>>509053319
>if someone kidnapped you
Yes, you said it was kidnapping.

>in this case, there would be no crime
As the other anon pointed out, there are multiple crimes in that scenario.

>>509050851
Look man, I just don't fucking care anymore. My entire family is dead and the US was intentionally flooded with niggers, has been longer than I've been alive. The companies that sell this software are billion-dollar international megacorporations backed by Jews and used to import more fucking niggers. I don't care.

>>509054691
WAIT WAIT WAIT
I get a girlfriend AND a job in this scenario!
LET'S GO!
heck I'll licence "my" life for a penny
hehehe

>>509054898
You lost the argument and you're brown. How does it feel, nigger?

>>509053675
how about you buy the game and let me play in your console for free (no licence to game on ya x box)??

>>509050381 (OP)
no one is harmed by downloads not a single sale is lost.

>>509053690
Say that on a steam community board and watch them suspend your account and no more games for you

Multiple private trackers
Hacked console
Day 1 console purchases that stay in the locker for the day CFW is possible
External drives loaded with movies TV and miscellaneous media
I dont remember the last time I bought software

>>509055211
you don't get shit, it's your clone.
>>509055156
So you think that stealing from the electrical company is a crime, but stealing from the movies is not a crime?
So it all boils down to anti-semitism, huh?

Glad we cleared that up. Piracy is officially anti-semitic. Wait for my article to appear on the ADL websight.

>>509054875
>if you are stealing from somebody who doesn't deserve it
Is this "deserving it" determined by some legal process?

>>509050381 (OP)

Depends what you are pirating. Text books are overpriced, movies, music, etc (if mainstream) are distributed by Jews, so based to steal from them.

What you shouldn't do is pirate from a mom & pop / independent label.

>>509055156
>Utilities are usually legal monopolies that are subject to strict regulation.
Ok, ill ignore you from now on, you're a midwitt and arguing in bad faith.

>>509050381 (OP)

Modern intellectual property law is akin to usury and onerous debt: both are immoral and used to be illegal, and for good reason, but here we are.

>>509054460
aye aye captain (wait ya don't even have sea access do ya)
>>509054816
yeah, BUT, I did pirate it first
THEY think he deserves the payout
fine, I'd be happy to give the exe file (doesn't even need a crack and is offline)
but they think he deserves it
fine by me

>>509055422
>you think that stealing from the electrical company is a crime
The scenario involved stealing from your neighbor. Stealing from the electrical company would be something like installing your own unmetered transmission line tap. But yes, both those things are illegal.

>but stealing from the movies is not a crime?
"Stealing" would obviously be a crime, but violation of intellectual property rights is not stealing. Violation of intellectual property rights is a crime, however. Where are you going here?

>>509051676
Only not seeding the torrent has to be frowned upon. If you don't seed you are just a worthless parasite!
ALWAYS SEED OR YOU WILL GO TO HELL!

>>509050851
Yes, it's called a loan

>>509054734
it's a cool game

>>509055624
Or, you know, you could admit that you were wrong, and keep that in mind for future discussions.

>>509050381 (OP)
Yes! In other news grass is green!

>>509055747
If they liked the game it's fine to buy it.
If they bought it for the sole reason because you "pirated it" and somehow trying to make up for it... well thats... wrong

>>509055235
kek, the last bastion of faggot gringos, when ya don't know what to say "you're brown"
yes, I am, and the cholos will make a new fake mexico above the border and we're never taking them back
how's that feel faggit
>>509055422
I can always cartel him and take his place back
hehe, since nobody noticed it wasn't me in the first place, nobody will notice it's not "him" now
uwu
do nothing
....
win
>also how do I censor the pirated pic behind chinaman in the gallery, I wouldn't not want to pay for having the pixels on my digital drive

>>509050381 (OP)
stealing from jews is no vice

>>509050381 (OP)
It is immoral thing to do but with how corpos have gone down the shitter last 2 decades. Hurting their wallet is only way to force change. Jew hates when money is lost.

>>509055861
yeah I like it, and if it was some other times I'd donate to gorhill the developer and upkeeper of uMatrix and UBlock origin and andre vltchek a reporter and writer who passed away now
but the rest, bah, they don't deserve no respecc
mayyybe the guy behind animal well game, that's fun too

In the age of the (((subscription))) piracy and OSS are needed more than ever.

>>509051355
Dirt-eating peasants in the Middle Ages were capable of understanding the concept of Intellectual Property. Wars were fought over copying books.

How is that you, with all the collected knowledge of the world and history at your fingertips, can't figure it out?

>>509050381 (OP)
No, not anymore.
There was a time where copyright was of reasonable length and served a purpose other than make publishers of all kinds rich for all eternity.
They broke the social contract first, now they suffer the consequences.
>>509050471
Leave it to retard bong to confuse stealing and illegal copying.

>>509055947
no no no, because they liked it enough and think he's worth the squeeze, I've presented a thousand games before, but this one "GOT THEM", so I think it's fine, if he's a worthy person deserving of the actual buy, I say go for it
like someday I'll go throw a few flowers on shakespeare's grave
>>509056445
napster died for your sins sis

>>509050381 (OP)
It is not even illegal in most places. Uploading is. And sharing without the intent for profit is white behaviour

>>509051483
Yes and who cares. Survival of the fittest. If you don't steal then you will get stolen from.

>>509056445
Making an unauthorized copy is not the same crime as taking something without permission. "Stealing" refers to the latter.

>>509056628
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
NO intent of profit you said?
tsk tsk tsk
antisemite nazi bastard

>>509051823
you do realize every game I have on steam is also in my hard drive. If they ban my steam account I can still play those games I bought.

>>509050381 (OP)
No. And, I do it because it's antisemitic.

>>509056911
kek yeah!!
I know that bear one!one!

>>509055550
No. It's determined by common sense and a basic Marxist education. I would never steal from another individual or a small family business but corporations are a different thing altogether.

>>509052275
if they try to sue me I ignore the courts. Ig they put a lien on assets I move any assets to a relative or a friend. Fuck the courts. They are only legal if majority of people recognize their authority.

>>509050381 (OP)
Intellectual property laws are jewish behavior. It's like people who watermark memes. Fuck em.

>>509050381 (OP)
>Is a basic economy stealing?

>>509054270
Do you know how many gallons of oil it takes to do an oil change on a 5MW wind turbine?

>>509050381 (OP)
Niggers don’t know shit about computers, hacking or anything really. So no, piracy is white af.

>>509055404
The last piece of software I bought was Sonic Foundry's Acid 3.0 for $5.
https://archive.org/details/acid-30-f

>>509053658
If you were never going to pay to ride the train there really is no difference.

>>509057472
this retard thinks wind turbines are the way to go. it's nuclear, retard. new. clee. urr.

lets be honest here, nobodys pirating real stuff that is worth paying money for, everybody pirates the overpriced normie stuff whose producers are millionaires anyway, and would be even more so if you didnt pirate it

>>509050458
2pbp

>>509050381 (OP)
Yes I suppose it is in a way. Same as shoplifting. But I am am also an antisocial White Zoomer shoplifter so I have no problem with either. I don't care what your ugly society thinks.

>>509057977
This retard thinks new. clee. urr. power plant turbines don't need oil changes.

>>509050381 (OP)
no.
"piracy" is something that happens on the high seas.
copying is not theft.
when you steal there's one thing less.
but, copying makes more.
>b b but, my money!
you are not entitled to my money.
if you have the software you started with, and don't know any different after i make a copy, then you have no reason to complain.
me, using my hardware and software to make a copy has nothing to do with you.
it's like taking a picture of the eifle tower.
i used my own hardware and software to make a copy of the original and doing it didn't hurt anyone or deprive anyone of anything.
again, i must emphasize that you are not entitled to my money for me using my hardware and software however i please--including copying your software.
>but, i LOST MONEY
no, you were never entitled to my money.
and making a copy didn't deprive you of anything because you were never going to get my money.
simple as.

>>509058531
You aren't entitled to the content they created

>>509058582
can you hold 10 gib of data?
you cannpt?
thought so
now go and kill yourself faggot

>>509050471
here, someone made a song that children can understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

>>509058525
That's called backup power, retard. My house has a generator too in case the electricity goes out. Oil is not electricity, it is a gas.

no. like the frist poster posted. you need iq to pirate. and niggers have 0 iq

>>509053658
I've been pirating games since I was 10 and yet none of these companies have shut down, none of the indie devs whose games I pirated have ended up homeless, etc etc
Piracy is basically free advertising as someone who enjoys the product will tell others to consume it as well
and at the point when companies are installing denuvo on their shit and making it worse for paying customers than the pirates whose copies have it removed, they deserve to have their products pirated

>>509058664
.

>>509050851
>If all car manufacturers decided that, instead of selling cars, they loaned the cars to you instead, would taking their car without their permission and not paying them for it constitute theft?
this would create a vacuum for a company that actually sells cars to enter the market and put the rest out of business.
cars are physical things.
stealing one takes one away from the owner.
if you could copy cars, no one would ever need a mechanic or car company again, you could make a copy of your copy anytime you had an issue.

>>509058664
'

>>509058582
>You aren't entitled to the content they created
Oh whoops did I just do a piracy?

>>509052728
The only movie I've seen since napster was shut down because my gf at the time wanted to see "deadpool".. I told her I'm not paying for a single fucking thing, but I'd go under those conditions.. half of me wanted to make a shitty phone camera rip just because I was in the theater but.. no one would have appreciated it, so I sat there for free

>>509058664
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>>509051483
>You are still taking something of theirs without their permission and without compensation.
>taking
no. if they still have their software at the end of the process then nothing was taken.
making a copy is not the same thing as taking.
here's a children's song that can explain it to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

>>509059014
>if i take it without permission, it's not stealing if they still have it afterward!
not an argument

>>509059082
>not an argument
Are you sure retard?

>>509058582
>You aren't entitled to the content they created
if it's out in the word then the genie is out of the bottle.
they have lost control of what i can and cannot do with it--it's no longer up to them.
if i make a copy of something, then they still have exactly as much of that thing as before i made the copy and they have literally lost nothing.
here's a childrens song to help you understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

>>509059210
>>if i rape your daughter, but she's not being raped currently, that means i didn't rape her
More fucking disgusting piracy ban this sick filth

>>509059197
Your car is out in the world. By that logic, I can take it and it isn't stealing.

>>509050381 (OP)
Is whining about piracy a Jewish behavior? You fucking kike.

>>509050471
Sharing copies is not stealing no matter how you try and word it. Whatever money you think you've lost was never yours to begin with. Those people were never gonna buy your product. You can get as butthurt as you want about it, but it's still not stealing

>>509059082
why would i need someone's permission to put my bits in my computer in a particular configuration?
they're my bits on my computer.
what i do with my bits and my computer have nothing to do with you.
sorry, not sorry.

>>509056620
Then im sorry and i was wrong for calling them retards.

English language is complicated and same phrases can have different meaning,.

>>509058708
That's for the main turbines and their hydraulic systems, genius.

>>509050381 (OP)
it's unironically white.

>>509058708
>Oil is not electricity, it is a gas.
Oil = Gas!

>>509050381 (OP)
PirateBay is owned by a Swedish white man, kike

>>509050381 (OP)
No one with any honor or who is good for their word does that shit. So yeah, it really is.

>>509059249
taking it, an act that would deprive me of using it, would still be stealing, lol.
you could make a copy and that wouldn't be stealing.
taken out by your own retarded logic...

>>509050381 (OP)
What kind of stupid question even is that... get out of here bro..

>>509059336
Why would i need your daughter's permission to put my penis in your daughter? What i do with my penis has nothing to do with your daughter.
sorry, not sorry.

>>509050381 (OP)
>video games
yes
>books, movies
no.
Im sorry I know Im not being consistent. It's just how I feel about it.

>>509050471
It's justified if jewish

>>509059489
>making a copy is akin to rape!
drama queen.
get a real job.

>>509059489
>Why would i need your daughter's permission to put my penis in your daughter? What i do with my penis has nothing to do with your daughter.
>sorry, not sorry.
I have no stolen 4 entire contents from this creator. The police are now on their way.

>>509059600
God i hope so. Piracy should come with a 20 year prison sentence.

I just tried to watch a movie legally by paying for it, took me 40 mins because the QR code didn't work. Torrents work, piracy is more convenient. And no ads! If you pay for shit u still get ads, ads on paid content lmao

>>509050471
>me
>giving a fuck

yeah whatever

>>509059652
>God i hope so. Piracy should come with a 20 year prison sentence.
5 contents now. Somebody stop this maniac!

>>509058804
that is not a gib, that is a flash drive
seems like you are too stupid
keep circle-jerking in your shitty judean thread
goodbye

>>509059600
4 entire contents? That's almost half a ten. And that's terrible.

>>509059508
so long as making a copy doesn't delete their original you should never feel bad.
they are not entitled to your money for you putting the bits on your own computer in whatever configuration you please.
imagine your neighbor turned some of his lights on and others off and he demanded money every time your house was in a similar configuration.
that's how retarded their argument is.

>>509059717
>You're not carrying that data, you're just carrying the container that holds that data
>You're not carrying water, you're just carrying the cup holding the water

digital goods aren't real you can't steal them

>>509050381 (OP)
What (((copyright lawyer))) firm do you work for?

>>509059795
keep your retarded analogies to some mouth breathing retard that may read them

>>509059811
You can, but actually stealing digital goods would be more involved than making a copy.

>>509059771
I don't think that's true. Do you understand that intellectual property is a significant part of economic output and activity, and that exclusivity of the intellectual property is what allows them to profit and incentivizes them to produce more of it?

>>509059887
It's absolutely analogous. As long as you have to carry it in a container, it's completely fine for me to steal it!

>>509050381 (OP)
Where do you find the episodes of TV shows jews have taken down with censorship?

>>509059795
here you go, continuing to make retard-tier sophistries in an attempt to muddy the waters...
"piracy" is an act that takes place on the high seas.
copying is not theft.
making a copy doesn't delete the original or prevent you from unhindered use of the original.
you are not entitled to my money simply because i place my hardware in a configuration that you figured out first.
and, at the end of the day that's basically your argument--that there are "forbidden configurations" of the bits that i own unless i pay you money.
it's so retarded it's laughable.

There really is no serious defense of piracy. It's just a third world "give me" mentality.

>>509050458
if anything
russian

>>509059349
>main turbines
>hydraulic
we're talking about nuclear power, not wind or water. holy shit.

>>509050381 (OP)
Is paying to own nothing a nigger behavior?

>>509059887
So.

You can hold a flash drive in your hand.

The flash drive contains billions of little logic gates that store binary information.

These gates can hold 10 gib of data.

So when you hold that flash drive in your hand...

...you are holding 10 gib of data in your hand.

>>509050381 (OP)
Are you some (((copyright))) grifter motherfucker? Eric Trump? Is that you and the dude you pretend is your wife?

>>509060085
>here you go, continuing to make retard-tier sophistries
Ok. Explain what part of my argument is fallacious. They claimed that you cannot carry 10gib of data. I posted an image of someone carrying something that can contain 10gib of data. Someone else claimed that because it's a flashdrive, you're not actually carrying the data. It's absolutely an apt analogy, you're just a faggot.

>>509060123
There really is no serious defense of taxation. It's just a thievish "gibs me dat" mentality.

>>509060048
Which TV show?
>>509060085
>and, at the end of the day that's basically your argument--that there are "forbidden configurations" of the bits that i own unless i pay you money.
Do you realize that the same argument could be used to defend all digital acts? Including hacking hospitals with ransomware, CP, whistleblowing intelligence agencies, literally anything illegal you do online.
It's really a bad argument. On par with "lions are just a collection of atoms. How can you be afraid of a collection of atoms".
Inappropriate level of analysis, category error etc.

>>509060222
you don't pay for shit, for shit you get for free.

>>509060252
>Stop it you are not allowed to have your switches flicked in the same pattern as my switches are flicked. That's illegal!

>>509060174
Says the retard who also said "Oil is not electricity, it is a gas." Clearly you don't understand how a nuclear power plant works, anon.

I don't need a moral reason to make copies of digital items. I am simply not paying your 8.4 billion dollar company any money because I care about you about as much as you care about me.

Ayn Rand pulled welfare before she died.

>>509060323
A state should have the monopoly on violence and to be able to complete its duties it needs resources, and that necessitates something like taxation.
How's that for a defense?

>>509051298
The cost of replication is paid by me (internet bill, electricity bill, cds/usb sticks to store printed media).

>>509060085
>that there are "forbidden configurations" of the bits that i own unless i pay you money
You didn't design the configuration of those bits yourself. Rather, you made use of the work of others, and copied that pattern to your hardware. As such, intellectual property laws concerning the distribution of such patterns apply.

>>509060461
So? She also paid a lot of taxes. What's your point?

>>509060527
They pay by loss in sales

>>509060527
And they also expect you to pay for this even if you buy it from them.

>>509050457
some niggers pirate, but that's because they're niggers just not niggers

>>509050381 (OP)
As all media is propaganda, I should be paid to watch it and entertain their ideology

>>509050381 (OP)
If it is i'm the niggerest

>>509060461
OMG! A hypocritic jew?

>>509060305
>Explain what part of my argument is fallacious.
i have.
several times already.
you are not entitled to money when i place hardware that i own in configurations that you figured out first.
simple as.
also, copying is not theft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4
>They claimed that you cannot carry 10gib of data.
>They
that's because "they" are bad at arguing.
what they should have said is if they're holding their 10 Gb flash drive in their hand, how many of the transistors do you own?
>Someone else claimed that because it's a flashdrive, you're not actually carrying the data.
>Someone else
again, that person is bad at arguing...
> It's absolutely an apt analogy, you're just a faggot.
you haven't even addressed any of my arguments, lol.
so, how many of the transistors in their flashdrive do you own, anon?

>>509060370
What does that have to do with being able to hold data in your hand?

>>509060512
Statism is a mental illness akin to Stockholm syndrome.

>>509052285
Are you pretending to be dumb?

Strongest pirates in the early modern era were british, dutch and tuscans. Coincidentally, they were all also very good at loan and banks

>>509060422
Yes I do, I watched Chernobyl on HBO. It works by taking the radiation bullets and compressing them to the point that they pierce through an atom, which in term causes energy which powers your microwave, which is also using radiation, to cook your food.

Thats why nuclear is not piracy, but hydro, wind, gas, and solar power are piracy.

>>509060641
>you are not entitled to money when i place hardware that i own in configurations that you figured out first.
What's the logic behind the argument? It just seems like an assertion that piracy is ok without any engagement with the arguments for why it's wrong actually.
>also, copying is not theft.
True in the strict sense in as much as the person you're copying from doesn't lose the original. However, it might as well be called that given the societal and economic impact.

>>509060719
The implication is that you are not allowed to flick your own switches. You can only pay a guy to flick them for you.

>>509060641
>i have
>proceeds to shoot off several assertions that are irrelevant to my point
kek

>>509050381 (OP)
Yes only bc it sucks now
7 days downloading a 4k movie from 1 seeder in russia. Pointless

>>509060512
>A state should have the monopoly on violence
Wrong.

>How's that for a defense?
Bad.

>>509052542
That’s loss baby.

people pay for the slop?

With the way all the streaming services are going, piracy is going to boom again. The jews are trying to squeeze too hard

>>509060348
>Do you realize that the same argument could be used to defend all digital acts?
yes
>Including hacking hospitals with ransomware
no, completely different. you're literally depriving them of something with ransomware--it's right in the name
>CP
in a logically consistent way, CP is illegal because it depicts minors in sexual acts, not because it's on a computer. CP can also be photographs. this is just more muddying the waters.
>etc...
more non-applicable things
>It's really a bad argument.
it's not a bad argument, you just don't like it.

>>509053063
Correct.
They are free to not digitize things and then I can’t download them.

>>509060786
>It works by taking the radiation bullets and compressing them to the point that they pierce through an atom, which in term causes energy which powers your microwave.

A nuclear power plant uses the heat generated from nuclear fission to produce steam, which then spins a turbine (that needs regular oil changes) to generate electricity.

>>509060544
>You didn't design the configuration of those bits yourself.
so? you don't own my hardware. you don't get to forbid me from particular configurations of my hardware.
>Rather, you made use of the work of others, and copied that pattern to your hardware.
and? there's nothing wrong with standing on the shoulders of giants, is there?
doing so certainly doesn't entitle them to my money.

>look at me i am captain now
>physically clones your ship and sail away
oh noes not my copy

>>509061114
for. the last time. I'm discussing NUCLEAR power.

you're trying to change the subject to steam engines. We're not talking about trains, ffs

>>509060791
>What's the logic behind the argument?
the logic is simple: i own the bits. you don't get to hold certain configurations hostage because you don't own them.

>>509058924
car backup service in the cloud when?

>>509061270
>there's nothing wrong with standing on the shoulders of giants, is there?
Legally, the giants have some say over who is allowed to stand on their shoulders.

>>509061372
>for. the last time!
kek

>>509061428
stop quoting the laws to us, we carry computers.

>>509050381 (OP)
there’s nothing worth pirating anymore.

>>509060920
Not only, some make threads defending the corpofaggot practices as if the world and the people in it are subject to their kikepitalists practices.

>>509061381
You don't own the configuration of the bits. The configuration of the bits is an achievement created by someone else, which you copied.
It's the same retarded argument as "my body my choice". Just because it's your body doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it, when it impedes on others' rights.

>>509061428
also, there's the tried and true
>slavery was legal once
lol
couldn't resist

>>509050381 (OP)
I steal all my content because the individuals who make it are responsible for subverting society through messaging within the media itself and in the ad space they insert into the media.

I can't conceive of what a niggerbrain you must be if you aren't curating your own content rather than consuming the stream of garbage kike faggots have served to you.

>>509061732
>You can't have your switches go on-off-off-on on this machine that you own because actually only I am allowed to use that switch on your machine that you own and operate and I don't.

>>509061732
i own all of the transistors in my computer.
i get to decide what configuration they go in
not you.
sorry, not sorry.

>>509060920
well if you call paypigs "people"
what's worse, some janny faggot comes and defends it in a "free" forum for free! kek
if chu take a pic of my picture you owe me!! reeee
sorry and shalom but it's a mitzvah
tikkun olam kike, copying is not THEFT
fuck you
why do you think cocacola recipe is a "industry secret" and not an enforcible "copyright" or "patent"

>>509061843
>if i abstractionize it then it isn't happening!
>if i stab you, it's just the atoms in my body moving around, that isn't murder!

>>509060579
>>509060594
I was never going to buy it from them.

>>509061936
So would this apply to neurons as well faggot? I now own your mind because the pattern of "switches" in your head are apparently owned by me.

>>509061937
then you should have no problem not viewing content that isnt yours

>>509062037
Thanks for admitting you're wrong

>>509061732
Actually I just randomized the bits for some time and the output was GTA V: Vice City. And you can’t prove that didn’t happen.

>>509062096
You just got owned retard. You are equating your "intellectual property" with somebody remembering the information in a book faggot.

>>509062046
sorry street preformers don't get to CHARGE me for watching their schtick shlomo
and faggot corporations don't get to charge me for a .avi file

>>509062046
It’s on my computer? How is it not mine?

>>509061936
abstraction?
you're the retards that had to call making a copy "piracy" you daft twat!
making an argument regarding the physical state of property isn't abstraction--it's as low-level as it gets.
the irony is that the source code that you are so strongly advocating for is itself an abstraction of the instructions that a processor would run.
holy shit your ignorance astounding.

>>509061870
Can anyone debunk this? No?

Listening to the fitgirl installer music as I read the thread.

>>509062197
oh, i like your street performer analogy.
i'm going to think about it, refine it, and use it in future arguments.
thank you, anon!

>>509050381 (OP)
If the act of buying doesn't grant ownership to a thing, the act of pirating isn't stealing. Thus, not nigger behavior.
Any attempt to compare piracy to theft inherently falls flat due to software not being a physical thing that you "own". As a funny side note, picrel ironically uses a pirated font.
Anti-piracy laws are a relic of the past from back when the entertainment industry had to grapple with the idea that digital media are susceptible to copying.
No one even has an idea how much damage "piracy" causes, thus all the figures you see are guesstimates at best. You can't know whether someone who pirated your software hasn't also bought it, as is often the case with entertainment media. The formula for damage has been and will always be "1 download = 1 unit of damage" which is way too simple.
There is no claim against piracy that doesn't rely on guesswork, slippery slope fallacies and misplaced appeals to morality.
Unless you generate revenue from offering pirated content and thus compete with the original creators of said content, you are commiting a victimless crime. Download what you want when you want and support who you want to support.
If AI can just take stuff, then you can too.

>>509062190
No, you're just retarded and can't understand a basic argument
Abstractionizing it into "bits and bytes" does not make it not theft you fucking retard.
>>509062197
Not remotely comparable
>>509062220
If you created it, it is yours
If you purchased it, it is yours
If you purchased a license to view it, it is not yours
If you did not create it, did not purchase it, and do not have permission to use it, then it is theft.
>>509062263
That's not an abstraction. You are brown.

>>509062384
I purchased my computer. QED.

>>509062422
>moving the goalposts
this is the only argument pirates have kek

The people who created operating systems/the internet are alive still. Try arguing this with them.

>>509062384
I own my computer. I own my brain. Remembering information isn't a crime retard.

>>509062511
What’s the second point you made after if I created it?

>>509062326
goddamnit
>I came up with the idea
>you're not allowed to use it
> every time you type it down remember to referr them back to me
(original idea, beanman from 4cnah 509062197)
you damn benchod bastard!
I MUST be payed!

>>509062384
it's abstraction in the literal sense.
you are thinking of OOP "abstraction" which is also abstraction.
context is important.
>inb4 that's not context
now, i understand why you are so retardedly dying on this hill.

>>509062538
>Espionage isn't espionage because it's just neurons in my brain firing!

>>509062627
Espionage isn’t theft it’s espionage
Are you Ok?

>>509062384
>If you purchased a license to view it, it is not yours
I did NOT purchase anything
hehehehe
but I OWNE IT

>>509062627
>I save it to this thing called memory but this and what goes on in your actual brain have no relation at all really.
One's silicon, another is cells but in the end it's still just flicking switches.

anyone paying for media via the internet is a nigger faggot that should have its internet usage removed. from the late 90s til hell about 2010ish , piracy was the ONLY way. they didnt even sell digital slop. napster,kazaa,ares,limewire. If you aint stealing media, you dont belong on the internet.

there used to be 0 censorship on the internet, you could type nigger anwhere. I remember calling people niggers on the VN boards ( old ass gaming forums) in the early 2000s.

fucking wild how corporate and zogged the internet has become over time.

It sort of is like, if your old enough to remember. Once upon a time you could take a drive and not worry about anything if there was no visible cops. now we got cameras watching 24//7 and you always lookin over your shoulder cant enjoy the freedom of driving you once had. Internet gone same way.

the pen clearly doesnt work. if we want change its gonna be violent, and the overlords also are frothing for that.

>>509062699
Espionage isn't Espionage because its just neurons in my brain firing
theft isn't theft because it's just digits on my computer turning on and off

>>509062855
>THAT MAN HAS ILLEGAL MEMORIES! FUCKING GET HIM NOW!

>>509062855
By what definition am I stealing?

>>509062930
Because you took something that isn't yours without the owner's permission

>>509062855
copying is not theft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

>>509063009
I didn’t take it I copied it digitally
The original was never in a state where its owner did not have full access to it.

>>509063009
>That neural pattern is subject to copyright! Prepare for vivisection!

>>509063052
>look mom, i reposted the video! im smart!

>>509063009
taking implies they lost it.
did making a copy deprive them of access or use of their software?
every single one of your arguments relies on making a bait-and-switch with theft without examining the reality of the situation.

>>509063092
Agreed. People who engage in espionage should be lobotomized

>>509063188
>taking implies they lost it
It doesn't

>>509063210
>I just agreed to have my brain cut out because I watched the latest from Shlomo Sheckelstien
God damn how much of a golem can you possibly be?

If I could take a scan or photo of anything in existence and then 3d print an exact copy like in Star Trek would that be theft if I didn’t ever need to touch the original

>>509063162
well, you seem to be missing the essence of the argument, so i figured i would link a childrens cartoon to you so that the subject matter would be more appropriate for the audience.
is this one perhaps more appropriate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHcKn62X9vo

>>509063257
Theft implies loss

>>509063307
Yes, that is intellectual property theft

>>509061518
>>509061754
Well, if the giants can't charge to hold people on their shoulders any more, do you think as many will do it? It's beneficial to society to promote the development of intellectual property like creative works (covered by copyright) and technical knowledge (covered by patents). The details of how that works are obviously negotiable, but the principle underlies a lot of the nice things we have today, including nearly all the targets of digital piracy.

>>509061870
>i get to decide what configuration they go in
Yes, but if you want third-party data to base that configuration on, there are rules about acquiring that.

>>509063372
>Their eyes! THEY'RE STEALING FROM MEEEEEEE!

>>509063257
it does for the same reason that making a clone isn't the same thing as taking a life.