Thread 509053379

>16 years later
>unrefuted

>peak oil
NPC meme.

>>509053565
Ok. How so?

>>509053379 (OP)
Just Saudi Arabia has enough untapped oil to keep up with present-day demand for the next century or so. And that's assuming oil extraction technology doesn't improve at all in the future. Peak oil is a meme.

>>509053379 (OP)
it will happen at some point soon.

Oil is abiogenic and replenishable

>>509053379 (OP)
he an heroed, that guy

>>509053379 (OP)
Ev is extreme homosexual

>>509053896
> And that's assuming oil extraction technology doesn't improve at all in the future.
Even without technology, oil that is now considered not worth it to extract would become economical if the price rose

>>509053896
Fair enough, don't know the specifics and that's why I'm not up in arms about this all the time, but that's still just moving goal posts. We will run out and when we're over the peak there will be mini-collapses including in regions with nuclear arsenals. The run up has fueled economic growth rate the world has never seen and maybe will never see again. The sci-fi sounding arguments against this are banking on a tech progress rate that's been oil-fueled itself, not exclusively but still.
>>509054219
Yeah, it was right after a Vice news video about him I'm pretty sure. RIP, some paranoid guys are right with some regularity.

>>509053896
That's a lot of dinosaurs.

The first person to mine an asteroid will be the wealthiest person on Earth. It will be equivalent to spice from Arrakis.

>>509053379 (OP)
cia spook that planted the seeds of climate change madness and ESG into the mainstream consciousness

>Michael Ruppert was born on February 3, 1951, in Washington, D.C. According to Ruppert, his father, Ernest Charles Edward Ruppert III, had been a pilot in the US Air Force during World War II and later worked for Martin Marietta, functioning as a liaison between the company, the CIA, and the Air Force. He said that his mother, Madelyn, was a cryptanalyst at the National Security Agency, working in a unit that cracked Soviet codes in order to track their nuclear physicists.
>Ruppert said that during his senior year, he applied and interviewed for a position with the CIA but ended up turning down the subsequent offer

wink wink
by 2014 with the release of the climate change AR5 Synthesis Report and the NASA and NOAA reports, the lie was fully underway so they retired the character

>>509054170
The question is on what time scale. It’s the same problem as the aquifers used for irrigation. They refill naturally, but it doesn’t really matter if you’re pumping it out faster than the refill rate. You’re still going to run out.

>>509054409

"On November 15, 1996, then Director of Central Intelligence John Deutch visited Los Angeles' Locke High School for a town hall meeting. At the meeting, Ruppert publicly confronted Deutch, saying that in his experience as an LAPD narcotics officer he had seen evidence of CIA complicity in drug dealing."

Sounds pretty based.

>>509053379 (OP)
This is for retards who don’t know how coal liquefaction or the Fischer-Tropsch process works.

>>509054529
Interesting but I don't really get what they'd be going for if this is the case. Also a numbers question: how many employees does CIA/like-organizations have? Probably a boat load and probably 99.999% of them aren't in on any kind of act like that. Point being that there can be people who nearly worked for CIA, especially former military sons of connected military people, who are just high IQ people who nearly worked for CIA.

>>509054933
Alright tell us more, how does that work and connect to oil's finitude.

>>509054972
>how many employees does CIA/like-organizations have
From what I have seen, the CIA likes to outsource in order to keep their hands clean. They set up projects and missions, then let others do the dirty work. If anything goes bad, there are no ties. If things go well, the communications end and it is as if it never happened. Using this model, all kinds of shit can be done "for the CIA" that the CIA had no part of.

>>509053896
>Peak oil is a meme.
it's a lie
Fossil fuel is a lie.

Oil is organic.
Hydrogen and Carbon

We now have machines that can produce gas out of thin air. We can make oil from sea water.

We always thought peak oil would mean when we run out of it but need it. In reality, it was when we just got bored of it. We found better cheaper energy sources. We're adopting them faster than our needs, oil is being left behind. In the future it may be used principally for chemical substrate rather than simply burned as a fuel.

>>509055161
the earth continually produces more oil thats the reason we have not run out and they can go back to old wells and find more oil after awhile

>>509057558
>burned as a fuel

another lie.
It's nearly impossible to destroy hydrogen and carbon is impossible to destroy.
If you "burned" hydrogen, as you believe... you would have Hiroshima.
When you drive your gasoline powered car, you are not destroying hydrogen or carbon, they come out your tail-pipe unscathed.

the demand for oil has platuead.


We will not hit peak oil ever. Because it will be phased out before it runs out

>>509053896
Wait til you find out oil is renewable

>>509054758
Ruppert's 'Crossing the Rubicon' is excellent early work analyzing 9-11.

>>509057558
why would anyone burn fossil fuels when you can buy an electric or hybrid? Its not even about muh heckin freedoms...thats fine...but literally when i cost average my Tesla cost, I pay exactly 3 cents a gallon equivlant per mile. Thats it. 3 cents. It adds a whopping $22 a month to my power bill.

>>509059067
No

Kill eco niggers

>>509059285
in colder states the batteries are much less efficient in winter. and a lot of people dont have a place to plug in. but they are fun to drive. immediate torque

>>509058474
Are you retarded dude? Burning is oxidation. Reduction oxidation leads to release of stored chemical energy as thermal energy. This is burning. You're a fucking retard.

>>509053633
Malthus made this same basic argument about resource scarcity in 1798. We are still awaiting his great famine.
Why didn't the world enter into an apocalyptic famine once the population exceeded the capacity of the Earth to feed, according to his calculations? Because his calculations did not factor in the progress of technology. Assuming agricultural technology never increased since his time, yes the world would have run out of food long ago.
Same thing applies to muh peak oil. Assuming drilling and energy technology did not improve since 2009, the world would eventually run out of oil and enter into MUH COLLAPSE. But you know what happened in the years shortly after this? The US resumed its place as the global leader in oil production and became a net EXPORTER. Why? Because technological progress. Fracking. This will continue to happen, we will find more and more efficient ways to produce oil and energy in general. We will probably outgrow any need for oil long before we run out of it. It will become a quaint commodity used for antique vehicles.

>>509059285
I think you're a mathlet. What is the monthly cost of your depreciation? $1000? I have several fossil fuel cars and they're depreciating barely at all. Fuel costs for me are about $60 per month. You're paying tens of thousands extra to save an extra twenty bucks kek.

>>509059067
>the demand for oil has platuead.

Demand is ever increasing.
We are building AI computing centers.
These facilities will use more power than ever. One of them under construction now, will consume electricity equivalent to 10 Major cities.

Greed is a problem. Ai doesn't just take your job, it uses more resources than you do.

>>509059975
It's used for huge numbers of things that are necessary for modern civ outside transport/electricity. Meds, fertilizers, food storage, pesticides, industrial chems. There'll be plenty of use for it until MAYBE superintelligence can figure out how to use other ingredients. I don't know what the ratio of transport to other uses is. If transport can be solved, maybe there's enough for hundreds of years. This should be priority #1 for smart rich powerful people. I'm not sure the average joe has anything they can do other than watching their carbon footprints like eco-hippies, that roughly = what are you personally burning as far as I understand

>>509059850
>oxidation

hydrogen and carbon are unscathed.
you are wrong if you think oxygen is destroyed in combustion. Oxygen comes out of combustion as well, carbon dioxide is 2 parts oxygen, carbon monoxide is one part oxygen.
chemical energy is not the chemicals, retard
think of the chemicals as a battery
they STORE energy.

burning is not oxidation. oxidation only produces heat in some reactions, under certain conditions. Rust is oxidation, and that rust contains more energy than it did when it was iron. The energy comes from the bonds of the chemicals, NOT the destruction of.

Dry Ice stores energy, and it can be used over and over again. The same principle applies to hydrocabnons. They come apart, and they go back together. nothing is destroyed.

>>509053379 (OP)
This conversation ended because the world is working together to keep the price of oil down, so the Russian government can't function. That's all it is. Would be easy to end the Russian Federation by simply supplying oil or American spending her vast wealth and tapping tar sands to inflict real damage

>>509062673
What point are you trying to achieve with these semantics ?

>>509059975
>Malthus made this same basic argument about resource scarcity in 1798.

Haiti has cut down most of their trees, and carved them into wooden statues that they sell to tourists. Haiti will run out of trees.
Tourists will still go to Haiti for children, but one day they will run out of children.

>>509059204
even had a chapter on ethnically targeted bioweapons. way ahead of the curve.

>>509059157
Not at the pace we use it. But it doesn't really matter because we will have long transitioned to renewables by the time we even come close to running out.

>>509053379 (OP)
>obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihobiCxOx0k

>>509053565
shale revolution kicked can down the road. but with dissolution of petrodollar and the inevitable massively upwards repricing of commodities, the days of trading fiat for goods is over and the pain will come due.if there oil in the ground, sure. enough to underwrite the growth necessary for solvency of usd denominated debt? fuck no. oil must be cheap as well as recoverable.

>>509063195
>What point are you trying to achieve with these semantics ?

People think they need to eat food for energy.
Your body's cells don't get energy from food.
Your body uses food as building blocks to make cells. Breaking down food, requires energy. Humans are like plants, humans get energy from the sun, and earth(ground)
When you wear shoes, you eat more, because you aren't grounded. When there is less sunlight, you eat more, because you aren't getting energy from the sun. Your body can convert food to energy, but it isn't optimal, and food can only supply about 30%.

To be healthy, you need sunlight and grounding.

>semantics
lmao go outside, get some sun, and charge up your brain.

Gas powered cars run on solar energy.

>>509064469
What you've said in this post, >>509064469, sounds slightly retarded, 1iVVElb7

>>509064469
>Gas powered cars run on solar energy.
fuck you mean bruh? all energy on earth is solar powered.

>>509063235
Well not everyone has a technological progress scaling factor greater than 1. Malthusian calculations may be accurate for Haiti.

>>509064469
>Gas powered cars run on solar energy.
What do they need gas for ?

>>509064783
>all energy on earth is solar powered.
bingo

>>509065835
You ever tried putting that quote into copilot, chatgpt or whatever ? It seems to disagree with you.

>>509053379 (OP)
collapse fantasy speaks to some deep psychological needs.
men wishing to be relevant to women again. imagining a place in the aftermath. or simply a death drive and coping with mortality. it's actually much more depressing that the world doesn't end.

>>509063874
your body produces valuable waste, that can easily be converted into renewable natural gas (RNG)
Two US cities have converted their sewage treatment plants into RNG processors. Thy have proven that the process is scalable, but not as efficient as doing it at the local level.

While you probably pay for water and sewer, and flush your waste, not just giving it away, you pay them to take it. You could be powering your house with it, and your car too.

If you have 4 kids, you could even turn a profit.

>>509053379 (OP)
Literally utah has more unexploited oil and natural gas resources in the green river formation than in contained in all the known oil fields in Saudi Arabia. That is not including any resources still left in the Permian basin the bakken oil fields and anwr. Peak oil is a myth we will die from wetbulb b4 we run out of oil

>>509066463
>trust the science
You worship your god, I'll worship mine. k

>>509067701
You were the first one to bring up electrons, energy, bonds and oxidation

Rev Lindsey Williams (1936-2023) was a Christian pastor who worked extensively with Alaskan oil personnel ... and he was saying for years, that theoil companies all know there is plenty of oil, especially in Alaska, but this is hidden.
Lindsey Williams wrote books including 'The Energy Non-Crisis'

>>509053379 (OP)

You're such a dumbass. People will run out before oil. Oil still makes around 70% of all products. Just because you changed energy hasn't changed its consumption in all your shitty tech. Look at your products. The EV contains how much oil/Plastic things made out of it.

The stupidity of it all is where is your back up. Military won't stop using oil. Advanced flight and rocketry. What powers your car in any extreme, weather or a lack of charge. Where every renewable fails in extremes. You'll be extinct a lot quicker.

Extinct quicker when all Electricity did was increase your premiums. Extinct when all it has done is causing a decreasing lifetime in every product using it. The average electrical warranty is what? On what turnaround from purchase today. Out of date the day of purchase for a model with even more consumption. A bigger number with even more gimmicks.

There you are selling the end of. People will run out before Oil.

>>509067978

I'm a polymer physicist.
why aren't you in ukraine dying for new Israel?

>>509068183
>a Christian pastor who worked extensively with Alaskan oil personnel

>>509068554
Real schizos are fun to talk with sometimes and i had my hopes up when you told us that we don't need food for energy but it seems you are just a low effort troll. Goodbye

>>509068291

The average Gen Z brain we have electricity let's get rid of fossil fuels. Genocide have lived all of a couple decades. Neanderthals dated at 2.5 million years have been using coal. Natural gas and pitch/tar and oil products goes back to Ancient Egypt.

Here we are in the peak of insanity. Gen fucking Z we has the electricity ban fossil fuels. The harbingers of a tipping point.

>>509068953
Go dig a hole and bury your feet, pretend to be a tree. Water, sunlight.. an hour a day.
In a week you'll have an extra 20 IQ points, you'll be less fat, healthier, and women will find you more attractive, or men if that's your thing.

>>509059975
technology delays the collapse, but the collapse is still inevitable.