Thread 509069586

Companies should be required by law to make their products repairable. If you don't think so then you support Jewish business practices.

Makes phones less water resistant though

how exactly do you measure repairability
like if i take a hammer to my hard drive should i be allowed to sue because i can't repair it
you know there'd be millions of retards who would do this so you have to preempt them somehow

>>509069788
For me it's just easily replaceable battery, screen, and primary storage.

>>509069739
dis nigga dunk his fone in da ladies toilet

>>509069864
>easily
relative terms are tough to deal with in law
what counts as easy enough
like if a person with down syndrome can't do it is it not easy

>>509069586 (OP)
>AAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME BIG DADDY GOVERNMENT

Don't like their products then don't but them retard. No one is forcing you to buy iPhones. If people cared about muh repairable phones then there would actually be a market for your icky chud virgin cell phones. But there isn't because literally noone cares.

>>509069974
I'd probably define easy as:
>Doable with only three different screwdrivers tops, with no inherently destructive step needed to access and remove/replace the battery, main storage, or screen.

>>509070013
>big government is le bad!
I am very pro big government

>>509069586 (OP)
Recommend a phone which has removable battery and wont track me and I can still use spotify and tiktok

I think it'd be easier to just get rid of the public corporation model and/or pass a law undoing the Dodge vs Ford decision so companies can prioritize things other than profits. You don't get this kind of bullshit out of sole proprietorships or partnerships or private companies that don't have to answer to shareholders. It's the second the company goes public and gets investors that it starts trending towards crap like this because at any meeting the bloodsucking profiteer in the room can just say
>And how does this affect shareholder value?
and block any non-shitty decision. Small businesses will do the right thing because it is right at least some of the time. Large corporations not only won't, they can't.

The public corporation business model is like putting a pitbull in your house, and these law suggestions are like asking how you stop the pitbull from mauling your toddler. Do we muzzle it? When is the muzzle allowed to come off, like when it eats? Do we need a stronger choke collar?

No, what you need is to take the pitbull out of the house and buy a golden retriever that doesn't even have a desire to maul your toddler.

I think there's a way to go before it's economically viable but yeah absolutely

>>509070495
>wont track
>spotify
>tikTok
You're a special kind of retard, huh?

>>509069586 (OP)
It use to be that way

t. electrical/technical engineer who had a really good job repairing high end equipment for US Army
bro they will literally and unironically throw away 200 million dollar electronics now instead of just letting me repair it.

>>509070013
There are specialty products that cater to those nerds, and common people to like those features as well, but they’re passive, and will take whatever is given to them. It functions like a monopoly when the handful of companies producing modern phones all choose to phase out replaceable batteries.

>>509069788
A "repair" sometimes warrants a replacement, as in the case with a broken battery/screen/even the entire phone especially if still under warranty.
What OP and people like OP are tired of coming across and where this issue presents itself is in the case of physical DRM like applied hot glue/retard screws/proprietary ganerts. Making it so that if they won't/refuse to repair it then you yourself can't, people who defend this and made this law should be taken out an shot. You are a legitimate cancer to actual inventors.
If planned obsolesce is a jewish practice then what would that make "forced obsolescence"?
>>509069974
>easily
>relative terms are tough to deal with in law
See this kind of shit. Stop doing this gay nigger shit and let me buy a fucking replacement battery. Don't solder a ballooning shit lithium battery to it and then void my warranty because I replace it when you wouldn't.

>>509069864
I hate not being able to remove battery.
>schizo who knows they track yo phone.

>>509069586 (OP)
they should be but politicians work for jews not for their constituents anymore

>>509070460
You lost.

>>509070444
witnessed

>>509070708
ive got to get to moldova

>>509069739
>>509069586 (OP)

6 screws on the battery
Entirely unnecessary.

We had removable batteries and backpannels that just slid off for 20 years and the battery never came out unless you smashed the phone against a wall.

Infact, as an engineer, I'm willing to bet that screwing the battery in like that will lead to increased damage and more shattered screens

>>509070623
What phone is at least good if I stop using apps. And have a 2nd phone with no sim card only for apps on wifi? Downloading music

Idiots put a fucking computer board in my refrigerator that causes total contol dysfunction and then component failure if it gets moist from a power outage.

>>509069586 (OP)
Just take away their patents.
Anything that isn't in production still and for sale should not be under patent. Old cars, old phones, old computers.

>>509069974
Laws should be common sense, and judges should be allowed to tell people to quite literally shut the fuck up and get out of their courtroom for being faggots about it.

>>509070695
The good thing about Samsung's phone is that they bulge out so they open itself for you to freely remove the battery

>>509070708
No amount demoralization is gonna make me stop fighting for my people

>Landsknecht voran!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_mNXda4rE

>>509071043
>No amount demoralization is gonna make me stop fighting for my people

>>509070708
No amount of demoralization is gonna make me stop fighting for my people

>Landsknecht voran!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_mNXda4rE

>>509069788
That's one problem with this. Another problem is how easy does it have to be to repair it? And how much of it has to be repairable? Should I be able to repair every single chip in my phone? Should I be able to replace every chip in my phone? Should the phone be made in a way that makes it easy to remove a chip and replace it? Don't get me wrong, my next phone will be a Fairphone because being able to replace a screen or a battery is simply a good proposition to me. But to write "the right to repair" into law means dealing with a lot of ambiguity. And for products where the normal use of the product requires repairs or replacements of parts every noa and then, the market provides it anyway. For example, nobody would buy an electric toothbrush where you can't change out the brush.

>>509069739
>put O-ring around battery cover
>specify torque to use and apply screw-glue
>becomes magically waterproof
it will infact become more waterproof than a jeet glueing it together, but then it will cost a few cents more and less normies will rebuy it after tossing it into the toilet

hard disagree, repairing/upgrading a 1000 dollar laptop or phone is retarded because they are obsolete in a year anyways
buy a new one

>>509071148
The keyboard and mouse is key in radicalizing people on the internet and creating an army of White nationalists. Its one of the greatest weapons against ZOG. Just listen to alphabet agencies kvetching about online radicalization.

>>509069974
a start would be to prohibit agreements between the smartphone manufacturer and the chip supplier that prohibit the sale of their chips to anyone else. Apple for example prohibits the chip suppliers from selling the chips used in their hardware to anyone besides apple, so the repair shop cant just replace the 10cent charging IC but instead has to either buy a $800 replacement board or salvage them from other phones.
Like just make it plain illegal and when caught send apple a $100 per device sold fine.

>>509069739
First post Oi vey post

>>509069586 (OP)
>ickphone

>>509071428
>just buy a new laptop, don't you have credit cards or klarna?

>>509070619
I was pleasantly surprised I could open my Lenovo laptop and swap out or add parts. I'm sure the CPU is soldered, but I'll never touch that anyway.

>>509069788
You should be able to buy a replacement hard drive instead of having to throw our your entire PC. Which is basically how they build phones nowadays.

>>509069739
>>509071779
All of my recent phones have a nonremovable battery and ZERO water resistance

Fuck off with this kike shit.
You can easily waterproofing a removable back with a basic gasket that will hold down to like 10 meters.

>>509069586 (OP)
Agreed, but welcome to weimerica where these products have no regulation thus they can do just about anything they want.

>>509069586 (OP)
This.

>>509069586 (OP)
In the EU by 2027 all smartphones, tables, etc should have user replacable batteries

You can thanks us later for this amerimutts, as well as for the usb-c iphone

>>509069586 (OP)
There is value in embedded batteries vs removable but morons can't see it. I'm talking design wise no end nigger use.

I have an HMD phone which can be taken apart with a torx bit, and spare parts can be bought online and replaced at home.
I'm not buying any apple shit, fuck that.

>>509072644
>There is value
Please describe that value.

>>509071155
Based

>>509069586 (OP)
Agree. For a start you should be able to get parts. And you should be able to use non-OEM or repaired parts. There shouldn't be parts-pairing. You shouldn't have to rent official repair kits. You shouldn't have to risk destroying screens just to dismantle. I'm stuck on an old phone cause of this shit, I can't stomach buying a non-repairable device, which is essentially every iPhone since X series.

If Apple like, they may list a non-removable log of parts that have been changed so used purchasers can verify what's been changed. But if I want to fuck up my waterproofing and put a shitty aliexpress battery into my phone, that's my business.

>>509069586 (OP)
This island is a shithole but we do have a law here called "the right to repair" aimed at preventing planned obsolescence.

>>509073256
Allows a large battery. You do not need to worry a compartment that takes up space that could use for a larger battery.

It is in convenient, sure, but it is their phone. Don't like it buy another one.

>>509070652
My bro is in civil aviation and talks about this all the time. Everything from 250k avionics units to 700 dollar plastic grommets that the adjustable headrest plugs into.

It's open a simple plug and play fix too. Like open a panel , unplug broken part, replace it with factory new part. Even after overpaying for FAA certified everything this shit will routinely save 200k. But it's a fight every those

" the Fairchild rep thinks we should just buy a new box for 250k"

Well no shit he thinks that.

>>509069739
3rd worlder has not discovered the ziploc bag yet. phones can literally be put in a transparant bag. what do you need water resistance for? do you shove your phone up your asshole alot? having removeable batteries are smarter plus you can carry multiple replacement batteries instead of using a retarded powerbank with breakable usb cable.

>>509069739
retarded niggers that cant keep their phone not wet have no say in the issue

>>509074104
>>509070652
This is why I don't say taxes and support Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas

>>509073803
>Allows a large battery
Having a user serviceable battery has no impact on the size of the battery.

>>509074742
Actually let me change that, having a user serviceable battery actually allows for a larger battery. t. my T480 has a larger battery than any modern Lenovo laptop.

>>509069586 (OP)
I might be odd, but my smartphone has become a real millstone, and I can't quite pinpoint when it happened. I was happier when I didn't have a virtual life.

>>509074147
do you walk around with a ziplock bag everywhere?

>>509069586 (OP)
this I can get behind

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>>509069586 (OP)
It's likely the opposite. It's easier to spy on you when you can't remove your battery.

>>509074793
>my T480 has a larger battery than any modern Lenovo laptop.
Unless it's bigger than what you can bring on a plane without trouble, which is 99.9, that's not true.

>>509069586 (OP)
If you don't like it, don't buy it and only buy products that are repairable.

Replaced my old Nokia cell battery some 4 years ago, old and slow as still satisfies my needs just like OPs Mom

>>509074742
Literal retard
See the plastic compartment and the blastic around the battery? That COULD be battery.

I am not saying it the better choice I am saying that is THEIR choice. It is their product.

>>509070979
Well everything has to be smart, internet of things or whatever.

>>509075018
Mommy

>>509069586 (OP)
>Companies should be required by law to make their products repairable.
At least they should not go out of their way to prevent repairs and make maintaining your own product impossible.
Apple Tesla and John Deereare prime examples of this.
I remember when you could just buy replacement parts for the iPhone and swap the screen etc, that's still possible but the phone won't work without a software update for the new part... something that only their service centers have legal access to.

This is abusive.
But games do the same. They hold your progress and/or sunk cost hostage until that IP is killed. And no, you are not allowed to host your own server.

Imo this practice should be illegal

>>509076148
there are none, you fucking retard.

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>>509077180
>It is their product
And if they want to continue selling the product then they need to stop being faggots. Don't like it? Make your own country where you can sell your products.

I replaced the back glass of my Chinese phone last week, was pleasantly surprised

Suing the bread maker for selling an irreparable baguette.

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>>509069739
gasket with screw down rear cover

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Why did the EU go so hard with this of all things? I don't get it. I only use Android, I only use USB-C devices, but are we just stuck with this easily worn out, disconnecting piece of shit forever because it's hard for a competitor to actually come in and improve it now?

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>>509069586 (OP)
You sound like one of those libtards

Bunch of liberals all of y'all

>>509071363
This. My marine radio has rubber gaskets around the battery compartment and any seams, I could toss it into the water and it would be fine. Phones are status symbols so they need to be sleek and expensive and so next to impossible to repair.

>>509069586 (OP)
Id prefer intervention from cheap predatory shit entering the market

>>509070956
I use an old Xperia phone as a dedicated music streamer in the bedroom to a Sony Bluetooth speaker. It is pretty old but the battery life is still very good and the LDAC codec is the best sounding.

>>509072058
I know phones are different but I once found an old iPod shuffle in a puddle, took it home dried it out and it worked just fine. YMMV

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Them liberals...

>>509069586 (OP)
Based thread

>>509069586 (OP)
>posts phone that no different than your average samsung, motorola, oneplus
it's not easily repairable if you need tools

>>509069739
Not entirely true. The Samsung XCover is very repairable and even has a removable battery, and it's as waterproof as any phone with everything tightly glued and soldered on.

>>509069586 (OP)
based

>>509072596
>as well as for the usb-c iphone
Thanks? But no one here cares about apple slop.

>>509069788
>how exactly do you measure repairability
Does it use screws or is it riveted in place? Are the screws anti tamper, some weird special screw or just regular screw? Is it glued together? Can you disolve the glue with off the shelf solvents? Are the parts replacable or will you get an error massage because the camera isn't paired to the screen?
>like if i take a hammer to my hard drive should i be allowed to sue because i can't repair it
You should be able to take it out and replace it, yes

>>509077180
You might be getting confused on terminology. Being able to take the case off with a driver and replace the battery is still "user-serviceable." That's not the same as having an external battery which requires a second housing. The footprint difference between a connectorized cable and a soldered cable is going to be negligible.

>>509071363
That will make the phone bigger

>>509092561
The retard actually stumbled on a fair point. Why doesn't the vendor have to sell me individual platters so I can replace them inside the drive? Why don't they have to let me order a new head? How about providing the firmware for download? Who decides where the line is for what is and isn't expected to be reparable?

>>509091694
>it has no headphone jack though

>>509069788
Well my screen and battery broke so I found replacement parts on the aftermarket.

If you can't use aftermarket parts, the company is a nigger and everyone who supports them also a nigger.

>>509069586 (OP)
throw away culture doesn't care about repairability