This October the vote on the "MERITS" (Constitutionality) of Trumps order to end citizenship status for the children born to illegals and temporary visa holders takes place.

Basically REVOKING, VOIDING, citizenship for anyone born to an illegal or temporary visa holder going back to 1868 because that is how SCOTUS works - SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions and amendments are RETROACTIVE going back to the nearest precedent setting SCOTUS case (unless explicitly overturned by a new SCOTUS ruling) and the date the Amendment to the US Constitution was ratified.

Shitskins are seething over this, this means that 100+ Million children of illegals and temporary visa holders will instantaneously lose their citizenship status in the United States.

AMERICA WILL BE A WHITE NATION ONCE AGAIN WITH THE STROKE OF A PEN!

>>509132466 (OP)
Okay but how will you actually deport them all?

>>509132544
By the point of a gun, pablo!
How do you traffic all of those children you rape over the border, pablo? BY THE POINT OF A GUN!

>>509132466 (OP)
It seems to me that you can't revoke citizenship once it has been given, but you can start declining to offer it.

>>509132598
Sure you can, it is called DE-NATURALIZATION and it happens to THOUSANDS of people every single year in the US alone.

>>509132466 (OP)
nothing will happen

>>509132673
That's what you said about the National Injunctions 30 days ago.
Cope and seethe!

>>509132466 (OP)
Wong Kim Ark will never be overturned.

This is a nothingburger.

>>509132797
Wong Kim Ark only applies to PERMANENT RESIDENTS A.K.A GREEN CARD HOLDERS, not Temp. Visa holders and NOT Illegal migrants.

>>509132646
Only if there was naturalization fraud dumbass. The perpetrator has to defraud the government. If the government chooses to legally grant citizenship it can't be revoked.

>>509132544
By cutting off their benefits.

>>509133109
>IT CANT EVER HAPPEN EVER EVER EVER!!!! ONCE ITS GRANTED IT CAN NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BE TAKEN AWAY!!!!
>Oh... OK... it can be revoked but only in this scenario!
COPE AND SEETHE FAGGOT! AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

>>509132646
You're retarded.

>>509132466 (OP)
>Basically REVOKING, VOIDING, citizenship for anyone born to an illegal or temporary visa holder going back to 1868 because that is how SCOTUS works - SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions and amendments are RETROACTIVE going back to the nearest precedent setting SCOTUS case (unless explicitly overturned by a new SCOTUS ruling) and the date the Amendment to the US Constitution was ratified.
Holy fucking based

This is our ONLY chance.

If the Supreme Court does not give us this, then America is ended.

That's how important this is.

>>509133256
Correct, this is THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT IN THE 21ST CENTURY FOR AMERICA.

>>509133109
Tens of thousands of Indians were denaturalized on the order of the Supreme Court in the early 20th century because they weren’t white

>>509132466 (OP)
until trump creates a new federal office where they trace peoples lineage nothing will happen

>>509133327
Sure, it's called Palantir and they just got funded thanks to the Big Beautiful Bill.

>>509132598
yes you can retard. You can even revoke your own

>>509132858
His parents didn't have a green card. To overturn that decision they will need to get rid of green cards first.

>>509133398
His parents were Permanent Residents, retard.
The system was different in the 1890s, the Permanent Residency Card didn't exist until 1929 but "PERMANENT RESIDENCY STATUS" has existed for nearly a thousand years as part of Common Law.

The way you obtained "Permanent Residency Status" in 1890 was to LAWFULLY and LEGALLY enter the US through one of its ports, train stations, or border checkpoints.

Back then being an ILLEGAL was a crime punishable by death, and they would hang people who would violate the sovereignty of the US and cross the border illegally.

>>509132544
Simple, get 1million cute bus drivers to make 100 trips.
>Remember to thank the bus driver!

>>509133222
We could just overthrow the constitution and put a warlord in charge, wow hope he doesn't just serve the interests of Jews funding him. Sure we "can just do things". Or, there's law and the constitution and that's that.

The point is we can stop naturalizing new citizens from birthright.

>>509132466 (OP)
>AMERICA WILL BE A WHITE NATION ONCE AGAIN WITH THE STROKE OF A PEN!
Deagle bros, we're so back

>>509133256
You physically cannot deport everyone who was naturalized through birthright citizenship going back to 1868. It's hard enough to deport the fucking illegals.
The point is to get rid of the incentive to illegally immigrate going forward.

>>509132544
We won't. We need to make israel great again first

>>509132544
At gun point and bayonet if necessary

>>509133754
>you physically cannot
sure you can

>>509132728
>>509132673
Like jewish fiat financial trickery, law has plenty of tricks that can be implemented to make this happen. The question is, does it really matter at this point? Suppose they do revoke citizenship of every child of every illegal. Suppose they manage the impossible and deport every single illegal and their now un-citizened descendents. What then? We'd still have a country full of "legal" street-shitters, niggers, pozzed feminized fat drug-addicted simps, kike dick suckers, and single mother entitled boss-bitches soaking up SSRIs and collecting an ever-increasing supply of inflated fiat currency supplied by your ever-diminishing cost of labor collapsing just as before. The damage is done, the collapse will continue. We are still subservient to Israel, materialism, trinkets, and greed. The US will never be a glorious white utopia with flying cars or an enlightened healthy citizenry that cares about anything other than nigger culture or the green line going up.

>>509133954
The children of Temp. Visa holders are also NOT citizens

That is 100% of all poojeets.

>>509132466 (OP)
Never happen. I'm all in

>>509133924
Biden brought in 40million. Trumps deported maybe 300,000.

>>509133370
If you naturalize elsewhere. The Indians in the 20s were naturalized to their tribes.

Revoking citizenship shouldn't occur until it's done to Israeli duals FIRST.
There's plenty of illegals anyway to deport.

>>509134124
Trump has had 167 UNIVERSAL INJUNCTIONS halting all of administrations actions since day 1

They have only just been removed as of June 27th, 2025.

>>509133754
>
It gives us the legal ability to start. Border crossings dropping to basically 0 means this isn't bailing out a boat taking on water anymore, it's bailing after plugging the holes.
No longer will anchor babies allow those so anchored to stay, they'll all be sent packing.
>too many so why even try? XD
Neck yourself for even typing that out. Illegals will continue to be sent packing, whites will continue to enjoy falling housing prices and rising wages, you will continue to enjoy sucking beaner cock (in Mexico this time)

>>509133549
So the same as people who enter with a visa or a parole now days.

>>509132544
Don't worry they won't be, unless if course they said something slightly negative about Israel

>>509132858
it doesn't

born in US = citizen

>>509134249
Sure, if they entered the country LEGALLY before 1929.

>>509134287
INCORRECT, WRONG, YOU ARE WRONG AND I CAN PROVE IT.

>>509134190
Did those injunctions make him say that hes keeping the illegal farmers?

>>509134423
Yes.

>>509134446
Kek. No that was all Trump

>>509134446
hey retard i see you are back again with your schizo posts. no, they don't have to and wont make it retroactive, simple as, now stfu

>>509134510
>>509134510
Incorrect, the injunctions physically prevented DHS and ICE from deporting illegals working on farms or anywhere else.

>>509134298
Only before 1929 there was no such thing as "permanent residency". You guys will lose this shit so bad lol.

>>509134217
Ending birthright citizenship for new babies not yet citizens is fine.

>>509134602
And Trump literally said that he would not deport illegal farmers because farmer owners complained

>>509134611
Incorrect
Here is a link to the Wong Kim Ark SCOTUS case for you to read yourself: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

Permanent Residency and Domicile has been a concept in Common Law for nearly a thousand years.

>>509134746
I don't like that one bit. Hopefully just until he passes his stupid bill

>thousands, if not millions of white Ellis islanders (trump included) may lose their citizenship
>Blacks and spics who have been in america for forever will stay
Really gonna save the white race, aren't we?

>>509134761
illegals have permanent domicile in the us

>>509132466 (OP)
The case will be decided narrowly on the merits of the executive order, which explicitly does NOT apply retroactively. A president with actual balls will have to try to use the case to develop a new case to get birthright citizenship removed from those who already have it,

>>509134824
God I wish. Would love to be deported to Europe

>>509134164
This

Of course, we all know that Zognald & co. will apply the law selectively, and de-naturalize only those who say the truth about pissrael and its genocides

And with (((their))) contempt for the Bill of Rights, people protesting pissrael can be snatched off the street, "denaturalized" and shipped to El Salvador, without recourse in a court of law, just some "administrative process". How many people can produce with 24 hours notice documents proving the immigration status of their parents 40, 50 or 60 years before?

I'm afraid we're replacing the pervert-worshipping regime with ZOG feudalism.

Long live the Constitution

Long live freedom

Heil Hitler

>>509134903
No, the case will be decided on the CONSTITUTIONALITY of the case and not the Executive Order itself.

SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions and interpretations are RETROACTIVE because to argue otherwise would be to claim that SCOTUS has the power to alter the US Constitution or to "make laws" which they do not. Only through the utilization of Article V in the US constitution can the US Constitution be amended and only Congress has the power to write, vote on federal laws which are ultimately signed into law by the President of the United States.

>>509134903
the problem scotus faces is that if they make it retroactive EVERY SINGLE denaturalization case needs to be handled by a court, which makes it so impractical its stupid to even think about it

>>509134986
scotus can choose to make a ruling retroactive or not stop sperging

>>509132466 (OP)
Why is it fine for two non-citizens to go on vacation in the US to give birth and their child just gets citizenship? That's obviously an abuse of the system and not what it was intended for.

>>509133789
Make Israel never be anything but great again.

>>509134878
>and, subject to the jurisdiction thereof
Illegals and Temp. Visa Holders are NOT subject to the jurisdiction thereof the United States of America

Permanent Residents however, ARE.

>>509134990
The same could be said about deporting the 40 MILLION illegals that Joe Biden imported.

It would CENTURIES to go through all their court cases if you demanded that illegals get their "DUE PROCESS" and their day in court.

>>509132466 (OP)

Flush them.

>>509134920
I would love to send you back. People should live where they want

>>509134986
The constitutionality of the executive order, retard. The case is about the executive order.
>>509134990
They're not going to. It's just never going to happen. Not even worth discussing the possibility because it's not a part of the case.

>>509133639
>The Deagel timeline happens because of peaceful self deportation and not some giant catastrophe or war.

>>509135114
so if an illegal or a temp visa holder commits a crime he is free?

>>509135285
The constitutionality? SO they are producing an opinion and interpretation on the 14th Amendment? Do you understand the implications?

>>509135209
how you determine if someone is illegal without "due process"?

>>509132466 (OP)
you all really need to stop fucking your siblings

>>509135376
Use racism. Simple as

>>509135334
The illegal is ALREADY a CRIMINAL the second they crossed the border ILLEGALLY

>>509132466 (OP)
>Basically REVOKING, VOIDING, citizenship for anyone born to an illegal or temporary visa holder going back to 1868
There's a 0% chance of them revoking citizenships even if they rule in favor of Trump.

>>509135414
Angry latin x

>>509132466 (OP)
4 of trumps 5 kids are anchor babies. start with them.

>>509135532
Good.

>>509135438
we are talking about lawful persons born to illegals that never commited a crime and have us passports. thers even congressmen that would be denaturalized. we are not talking "thugs" here. how do you determine for every one of them who is a lawful citizen and who needs to be deported? what is the process? describe it to me step by step please

A simple google search tells me that not all SCOTUS rulings are retroactive and that SCOTUS actually has to make rulings retroactive when they rule, it's not automatic.

At most, you'll only get the end of birthright citizenship.

>>509135602
If you are born to an illegal, you get deported. If you dont speak english, you get deported. If youre hispanic, you get deported.

>>509133109
Your "naturalization" was fraudulent and is THEREFORE VOID. Jesus Christ you fucking people.

>>509132646

if they only hold US citizenship they can't, not allowed to leave someone stateless

>>509135706
ok how do you check 300+ million persons one by one?

>>509135602
>lawful persons born to illegals
A child of an illegal is also an illegal.

>>509135796
since you cant anwsers my questions i will now accept your defeat and leave the thread. good luck dying for israel
>2 more weeks

>>509135663
INCORRECT
See Brown Vs Board of Education
It was not explicitly stated that the decision was retroactive and yet as everyone knows it was applied retroactively thus it can be implied that Radioactivity is ASSUMED BY DEFAULT

relax, there aint no way the supreme would retroactively void citizenship like that, even if they did we can barely get the 10 million blatant illegals out as it is, let alone >100 million people.
birthright citizenship is an abomination, though, hope the SC rules against it eventually (not holding my breath though, court has generally been quite cucked)

>memeflag
>I don't like your answers so I will now stomp my feet and leave the thread
pottery

>>509132466 (OP)
Cool if real, but nothing ever habbens.

deport kamala

>>509135791
Skin colour reduces that number. Add in school records, employer records, w2 records

>>509135756
The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not muh international law. If a treaty, signed by the president and approved by the Senate, is in conflict with the US Constitution, the treaty cannot be enforced. And the Supreme Court has ruled that Trump can deport people to any country that is willing to take illegals in, even if they are not citizens of that country. So people can be just shipped out to Ethiopia or whatever and then they're not our problem. It's not like any other country can stop us.
But it's a moot point since birthright citizenship will not be revoked from those who got it before the executive order. That's just not how anything works.

>>509132466 (OP)
>>509132544
>>509132598
>>509132646
>>509132797
Trump has been signalling amnesty for the last 4 months, so what is going to happen is they are going to overturn Wong Kim Ark, keep up deportations of visa overstays and grant amnesty to those who are already here like anchor babies and asylum seekers.

I know I'm right, Trump is too gutless for anything more.

>>509135895
maybe we can overturn The Browns vs BoE next and go back to the Plessy vs Ferguson decision.

>>509135487
nope. white dude who's familiar has been here for centuries and not afraid of people with darker skin.

>>509136003
Fucking deport Vivek.

>>509132544
Cut gibs, they leave...

>>509136046
No shit. Hell have a presser and brag about how he got rid of the bad ones but how these other ones are good people

>>509134761
It just means they had legal address where they lived in SF. Nothing to do with what's called permanent resident card now. Trump better withdraw this case altogether because it makes him look even more retarded than what he already is and his MAGA.

>>509132598
you can "denaturalize", however you cannot revoke citizenship of a natural born.
This is why they want the 14th repealed...to revoke citizenship of Americans that are naturally born here and are deemed political enemies, but the Supreme Court doesnt have the constitutional authority to repeal the Amendment.

>>509136259
Crossing the border LEGALLY through an AUTHORIZED CHECKPOINT granted you Permanent Resident Status until 1929 because immigration was handled much differently back then and being an illegal migrant was a death penalty offense in the United States. Back then ALL immigration was handled at the border, they would do medical checkups, background checks, inspect everything you owned, etc. etc. all AT THE BORDER; that would mean places like train stations, docks, and other checkpoints along the border in the 1860s - 1920s.

That is when things changed in 1929 and the Permanent Residency Card system was created and immigration was overhauled significantly.

>>509136454
14th doesn't apply to illegals or Temp. Visa holders.

>>509132466 (OP)
>mfw my mother was a permanent resident and my father a citizen at the time of my birth
Guess I get to stay. Nice try

>>509136454
The Trump Administration is not looking to repeal or amend the 14th, the Trump Administration wishes to UPHOLD the US CONSTITUTION and ENFORCE the 14th as it is ALREADY WRITTEN; the 14th Amendment as it is already written does NOT grant Citizenship to the offspring of illegals nor temporary visa holders.

>>509136454
To be a naturally born American you have to actually have an American citizen parent.

>>509136639
>I get to stay
Correct, now can you trace that all the way back to 1929 or possibly 1868?

>>509136454
You could argue that once someone is made a citizen, they become "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States". And, since they are
1) subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and
2) natural born
They are citizens under the 14th and can't be denaturalized (unless they naturalize to another nation).

Permanent residents who were natural born would also auto-citizen.

Anything that brings a natural born into the jurisdiction of the United States will auto-citizen.

So the key is to not bring people into jurisdiction going forward.
The government choosing to grant citizenship to children of illegals is subjecting them to its jurisdiction.

It seems to me that it's not really constitutional, but legislative. Congress can turn birthright citizenship on or off. If you're born here while it's on, you're a citizen, and otherwise you are not.
The birthdate on your birth certificate and the extant law at the time would determine.

>>509136690
No you have to be subject to the jurisdiction. Congress's laws determine how and when a person is subject or not, including treaty arrangements.
I'd say that Congress could choose to not recognize children of immigrants or visitors as citizens, to not subject them to its jurisdiction.

>>509136486
Visa holders and those who are granted parole are legally here. Even if someone crosses the border illegally but his shit goes into the immigration court system is here lawfully.

>>509136748
1975 she came here on a family green card sponsored by her parents that came on green cards sponsored through work. Chain migration is a hell of a drug and you're not getting my passport back.

>>509136896
Subject to the whole jurisdiction, not partial. That requires at least one parent who is an American citizen already.

>>509132598
The government can very much revoke citizenship, and has, and can even deport the individual and their family, if they were also brought in. It’s not automatic and the DOJ still has to take it to court. But it’s definitely a very real thing

>>509136794
Incorrect, because of Wong Kim Ark setting the precedent of Permanent Residency and Permanent Domicile in 1898.

If it applied to ALL migrants regardless of the methods in which they used to cross the border it would have said that, instead it focused on the narrow group of "PERMANENT RESIDENTS".

This is why when SCOTUS makes their new ruling which will be the first on CLAUSE 1 of the 14th Amendment since 1898 it will either effectively overturn Wong Kim Ark or it will reaffirm what Wong Kim Ark said in that Illegals are NOT under the umbrella of the 14th Amendment.

>>509136930
>Visa holders are here legally
Yeah but they do NOT have Permanent Residency Status and thus their children are not granted birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

>>509136961
All of that is legal bro, good job going through the process! Thank you and welcome to the United States!

>>509137198
Their partner might have status as a citizen though and as it stands, that's all that is necessary for birthright citizenship unfortunately.

>>509137198
And there is Nothing about the "permanent residency" in the 14th. Quit embarrassing yourself lol.

>>509137584
Incorrect

1: Permanent Resident Status + Citizen = Citizen Baby
2: Permanent Resident Status + Permanent Resident Status = Citizen Baby
3: ILLEGAL + ILLEGAL = NO CITIZEN
4: ILLEGAL + PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS = NO CITIZEN
5: ILLEGAL + CITIZEN = NO CITIZEN

>>509138258
No, that would be the PRECEDENT set by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark which you can read here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

>>509137057
You have to actually have some relationship to some other country.
They tried to denaturalize German American Bund people and that was bullshit.

There's a lot of talk ITT about common law. Is it called common law because these citizenship rules or the constitution applied to everybody? So would that make something like business law rare law because it only applies to corporations? And so traffic law is common law too?

>>509137146
Are you fucking stupid. I'm not even talking about what you're talking about you stupid bot.

>>509138795
SCOTUS has you covered on that question as well! SCOTUS says that if you become so called "stateless" due to your loss of citizenship then the US government is allowed to ship you off to any country that is willing to take you, known as "Third Party Countries".

>>509132544
They can just die and be burned. They don't have to leave.

>>509138385
History begs to differ, retard. It's the whole reason anchor babies are an issue, visa holders or illegals fucking citizens to try and circumvent the system, preying upon citizen empathy in hopes for amnesty. Most foreign workers believe that a work visa implies they are seeking citizenship to our courts but they're idiots who don't understand the difference in most cases. Sanctuary states/cities don't help matters in that regard, they should be bombed by our government for actively undermining the security of our nation.

>>509132466 (OP)
>100+ Million children of illegals and temporary visa holders will instantaneously lose their citizenship status in the United States.
wont Trump just do an executive order to make them citizens so he can be a hero?

>>509138910
Nothing is more permanent than a temporary government solution.

>>509139001
The 14th Amendment was misinterpreted for 120+ years and SCOTUS was too much of a pussy to make a ruling on it for 120+ years because the US needed cheap labor as it was expanding in the industrial revolution and the post WWII era. Those laborers are no longer needed now as the industrial revolution is ancient history and everything is moving towards automation and the need has arisen for a highly specialized and technical workforce (read: intelligent) that would be capable of maintaining such complex systems THEREFORE; the "citizenship" status granted to these low skill, low IQ, migrants will be revoked, they will be relocated, and America can move into the 21st century.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

>>509138910
Sounds like Jewish bullshit.
I don't want Peter Thiel's computer to deem me "non-citizen" because I said a mean thing about Jews and ship me to the African bauxite mines.

>>509139280
>misinterpreted for 120+ years
I'm not arguing against that in the first place, I was explaining why it harmed us as a nation and continues to harm us.

>>509132466 (OP)
i dont get it, wont whites be deported aswell considering almost all ancestors of american whites were once immigrants who gained citizenship through birthright?

>>509139280
Just do temporary work visas. American standard of living is so good that people would literally kill just for the opportunity to work here seasonally even if they knew they would never ever become citizens.

>>509139537
Soon whites here will be put in reservations lol.

>>509132466 (OP)
>Basically REVOKING, VOIDING, citizenship for anyone born to an illegal or temporary visa holder going back to 1868
Not gonna happen. The Executive Order even specifically states it's not retroactive, and for good reason, it'd potentially void Trumps win.

>>509135756
>stateless
They would not be stateless retard. Anyone born to a citizen of the US is a citizen, as every country. If a Mexican has a baby in the US, that baby as of now is a dual citizen of the US and Mexico. Citizenship follows bloodline not where the baby is born.

>>509139987
not everywhere, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

>>509139865
Executive Orders CANNOT be Retroactive. The only thing the President can do is revoke the previous presidents Executive Orders and write new ones for going forward.

SCOTUS on the other hand when it interprets the US Constitution does so in such a way that it IS retroactive because SCOTUS is interpreting the Constitution as it ALWAYS WAS; To argue otherwise would be to claim that SCOTUS has the AUTHORITY or the POWER to change or AMEND the US Constitution which they DO NOT - NOR do they have the power to MAKE LAWS.

SCOTUS interpretations of Constitutional Questions and Amendments are RETROACTIVE because they are clarifying what the constitution ALWAYS WAS.

>Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle." It can hardly be denied that an alien is completely subject to the political jurisdiction of the country in which he resides

>>509132466 (OP)
Kek imagine thinking this will have any effect at all. The “conservatives” need their endless slave hordes because they shot in their own children’s future so now birthrates are irreplaceable for white Americans. Boomers don’t give 2 shits about endless illegal hordes because it benefits them and without illegal hordes the status quo won’t be able to live luxurious lives full of wealth and vacations.

>>509132466 (OP)
They have 5 votes. The 3 leftists plus John Roberts and his female version (ACB).

>>509138385
This is what the law should be and the amendment was clearly meant for children of slaves and native americans. But I see it being a 7-2 loss at best. You need 3 more Clarence Thomas like justices to reach the correct decision.

>>509133754
theres no provision for non europeans in the constitution as formed

>>509140519
>birthrates are irreplaceable for white Americans.
Only a third of the babies born last year were white and if the jews are admitting that then it's probably a fifth or even a sixth in actuality.

>>509140305
In that case his parents legally resided in the US. Illegals are not subject to the Jurisdiction of the US because their very presence is a rejection of allegiance to the United States.

>>509138825
Common law is a category of law that uses legal precedent, sometimes going back to centuries before the United States was a country, and ultimately based on English common law (but superseded by the US Constitution or US legislatures when in conflict). It's distinct from statutes passed by the legislature and signed by the executive. It's "common" because it's common in all the courts to handle matters in certain ways, by historical tradition. This gives rise to modern precedents, building on how judges ruled in the distant past.
A lot of countries use civil law instead, like France with its Napoleonic Code, and have to have a specific statute saying what is and is not illegal for each and every little thing, whereas common law allows for a common historical understanding of what should and should not be legal or illegal, giving judges discretion (restricted by prior precedent) to handle cases that have no specific statute already. When issues have already been addressed by courts, those precedents then become the norm. Common law allows for a flexible system where obvious rights and wrongs do not have to have been meticulously decided by lawyers ahead of a situation arising, but can be reasoned after the fact by judges in accordance with certain guidelines.
New Zealand is a common law country, by the way, so I'm a bit surprised you don't know about this already.

>>509140519
Having infinite slave labor on work visas that need to pay taxes and be paid legal wages is not the same as infinite slave labor working under the table without paying any income or payroll taxes and still collecting benefits
>Just stop trying it's pointless.
Fuck off Nick

>>509132466 (OP)
>100+ Million children of illegals and temporary visa holders will instantaneously lose their citizenship status in the United States
Would be turbo based.
Unfortunately, Chud gets the only vote that matters.

SCOTUS operates on the principle that it does not "create" law but rather "discovers" or "clarifies" the Constitution's original meaning. Thus, its interpretations are understood to reflect what the Constitution has always meant, even if previous rulings or understandings were different.

>>509140672
The native Americans didn't even qualify. They had to be explicitly granted citizenship decades later in 1924 by an act of congress, even though they were born geographically in the US.

>>509133256
A blackpill, but very true.
If not now, it is the final nail in the coffin.
This caliber of political will shall not be seen again in our lifetime or not before a second civil war where a million or more Americans will die. And even then, we may not win at all.

>>509141087
Very based and thank you for your contribution to this thread anon!

>>509141092
>Just stop trying it's pointless.
It literally is though. Whites have been a minority of births in the US for over 30 years now. Go to any high school, it's nothing but beaners, looks, and mutts.

>>509132544
i think when you want to revoke your citizenship yourself it will cost you upwards 6grand + some tax they will find

>>509132544
That's the trick. Trump creates 70 million illegals out of people that have lived here for generations. Then Congress passes a law to bring naturalize all of them again and the 30 million Biden and Obama let in get lumped into the mix and "poof" the Dreamer issue suddenly goes away for ever. It'll make Reagan's beaner amnesty look like a flea circus.

>>509141191
And it's very well known by anyone with a brain that the Amendment was for freed slaves and their offspring.
It wasn't an open invitation for n6 gorillian illegals.

>>509133370
>>509141394
fucking missclick

>>509132544
Ask them nicely.

>>509141358
Then just kill yourself and stop posting if it's that hopeless.

>>509141657
I tried to back in 2020, unfortunately I didn't have the will to pull the trigger. BTW you can hate Nick all you want but literally everything he predicted with Trump is coming true.

What the writer of the 14th amendment clause said about it:
“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

It was NEVER intended for aliens/foreigners, not even legal aliens. Only citizens with a FULL AND COMPLETE ALLEGIANCE to the United States.

>>509141087
common law go's back to roman law with the provision for cultural laws and customs incorporated into roman law

>>509141818
Try again. Never give up. Still not at war with Iran. Unless he predicted having butt sex. He was right about that.

>>509141657
Nick has been wrong about literally nothing.
He has proven empirically he is the most intelligent and insightful person in the right wing.
Cope.

It just flips back once a Democrat gets to appoint new justices.

>>509132544
They won’t. People who are currently citizens and their children will remain citizens. Deporting the millions of naturalized brown people in this country is a pipe dream.

>>509132466 (OP)
>Million children of illegals and temporary visa holders will instantaneously lose their citizenship status in the United States.

Tommorow the rich ruling capitalist class can decide to revoke your property rights so it can aquire your property and have it for itself for more profit.

As you can see anything is possible for the rich ruling capitalist class.
Today you are citizen with a house,tomorrow you become a an illegal homeless bum.

Enjoy capitalism!

What we withnrss is the proof that one should never try to do or achieve anything in life. Because the struggle of generations and work of generations can be stolen , revoked with a flip of a pen by the rich ruling capitalist class.

So nothing besides one thing makes sense in life. Only killing the members of the rich ruling capitalist class and their offspring matters. Only this.gives a life a true and real meaning and purpose.
Anything else is pointlessand plain stupid.

>>509142033
How's that war with Iran going exactly?

>>509142014
>Still not at war with Iran
Remember when we weren't at war with Iraq?

>>509142014
>Still not at war with Iran.
You people live in an alternate reality. Maybe it's a good thing whites are going extinct. Bicarmel mind will go with us.

>>509142137
Yes actually since I'm not some faggot 19 year old. We didn't hide our intention of wanting boots on the ground back then.
Two more weeks though.

>>509142124
Lmao you'll be eating these words very soon.

>>509141943
"Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of
this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the
Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or natu
ralized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citi
zens of the United States .... ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writ
ing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649 (1898),
detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the pre
dominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used.
He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words 'subject to
the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth
Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words 'within its jurisdic
tion,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons
'within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not 'subject to
the jurisdiction of the United States."' Id., at 687.
Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another coun
try, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and
consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at
693.
As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on
geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sover
eignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth
Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose
entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was
unlawful. See C. Bouv6, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United
States 425-427 (1912)

>>509142171
How is the war going?

>>509142239
Two
More
Weeks

>>509133549
I lawfully and legally entered the USA
It's not my fault that Americans refused to enforce their own laws. I'm an American now bitch say hello to my 43 sons called ranjeet

>>509142124
It is inevitable.

https://dl.depot.4d2.org/ygc4Jjz1DC1P.mp4

https://dl.depot.4d2.org/shZguWxYip9R.mp4

>it's the gaypers trying to agitate for giving up on immigration changes
How is it always that obvious?

>>509142229
>hur dur war means boots on muh ground
Hahaha just wait, retard

>>509142325
>Inevitable
So you're saying it hasn't happened yet?
Another fortnight perhaps?

>>509132544
who said anything about deporting them?
we're going to chop their heads off

>>509142317
Incorrect, your citizenship status will be revoked RETROACTIVELY.

>>509142272
We are literally at war. What are you talking about?

>>509142352
I'm waiting.

>>509132466 (OP)
Good TRUMP IS FUCKING THE MOST BASED PRESIDENT EVER HOLY SHIT MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA!!!!

>>509142404

>>509142352
two more weeks?

>>509142405
With whom? Since when? In what capacity? Where?

>>509142405
>UMM AIR STRIKES ON THEIR CRITICAL ENERGY AND MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT WAR CHUD
Is all they will say until we're deploying troops to the Middle East AGAIN

>>509142532
Look at this cope. There is no war with Iran, retard.

>>509142532
>They're coping amongst themselves
If I come to your house, punch you in the mouth and then leave, are we in a fight or did I just bully you and leave?

>>509142393
Naah.
BF3 . It takes places in Teheran.

>>509142242
SCOTUS gets things wrong all the time, their previous rulings are not an authority you dumb jew. Try showing original intent of the 14th amendment by the people who wrote it instead. invaders do not qualify.

Look at these shills trying to derail into a "war with Iran" as if that has anything to do with this thread.

>>509142532
>all they will say until we're deploying troops to the Middle East AGAIN
I can't ait to watch the mental gymnastics on that one kek.

>>509142746
Two more weeks?

>>509136676
>the 14th Amendment as it is already written does NOT grant Citizenship to the offspring of illegals nor temporary visa holders
The 14th Amendment explicitly and clearly grants citizenship to anyone born on US sovereign soil.
You’re worse than the people who can’t seem to read the words “shall not be infringed”.

>>509142721
We're just pointing out an example of how Trump is Israel's little cum bitch and he will never EVER do mass deportations.

>>509142656
I'm sure the gaypers are much more partial to a Blacked Ops 7.

How the fuck did this turn into another Nick Faggot/Iran War thread? Go spread your garbage in another thread, we're actually talking about something here.

https://constitution.org/1-Education/liberlib.htm

>>509142617
>>509142641
You guys are either genuinely stupid or glowniggers.
Yeah, Iran is totally gonna accept getting steamrolled by Israel after being promised the "Libya model", the U.S. failed to strike their nuclear program, Israel is on the verge of regional hegemony, Trump knew about the double crossing, etc.
Yep, this is going away if you just trust the plan.
Patriots in control lmao
>>509142746
And all they say to you is
>TWO MORE WEEKS
They know what's coming up the pike. They are definitely glowniggers.

>>509142851
Nah. You're just a Mexican that likes to suck dick.

>>509142841
INCORRECT
Clause 1 of 14th Amendment clearly states:
>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
>and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
>and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

ILLEGALS AND TEMP. VISA HOLDERS ARE NOT UNDER THE FULL JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THUS THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION.

>>509142074
ThIs has long been written into Roman law.

"The next Part of the work, however, which is the Fourth, and occupies the middle of the whole, We have divided into eight other books, in which hypothecary actions, which are not greatly different from those brought for the recovery of pledges, are treated of, and also the Edict of the aediles, and stipulations relating to evictions. These two are accessory to, and arise from contracts of sale; and although widely separated from one another in the arrangement of the ancient law, We have brought them nearer together, on account of the common relationship existing between them, and in order that matters that are mentioned as being of almost the same nature may not be widely separated.
Then, after these two books We have introduced those things which have been written on money loaned in commercial transactions, not only on land but also on vessels, or in maritime business; and what relates to evidence and presumptions, which form the substance of one book. In these three books, each devoted to a single topic which bears considerable resemblance to the treatise on Things, We have next brought together those matters concerning marriage and dowries which are set forth in the laws, and have devoted to them three more volumes in this arrangement. We have also compiled two books on the guardians of minors — We mean those which are generally designated by all persons "Concerning Guardianships" — and here We have concluded the above-mentioned arrangement of eight books, and have finished the central part of the entire work, as previously stated, inserting therein the most excellent and useful laws."

>>509143005
"Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of
this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the
Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or natu
ralized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citi
zens of the United States .... ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writ
ing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649 (1898),
detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the pre
dominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used.
He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words 'subject to
the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth
Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words 'within its jurisdic
tion,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons
'within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not 'subject to
the jurisdiction of the United States."' Id., at 687.
Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another coun
try, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and
consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at
693.
As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on
geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sover
eignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth
Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose
entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was
unlawful."

cope and seethe

>>509142939
Do something about it? Oh you can't? Already negotiating? Kiss my ass. It was obvious Iran never wanted direct confrontation the way they always use proxy fighters even in the middle east where they might actually stand a chance against their opponents. America showed up, put them in the cuck shed and left. And you're seething about it wishing for 2 more weeks.
You niggers hate America and claim to be America first. You'll be going back to Mexico soon so you can fuck all the boys you want over there.

>>509142939
>They know what's coming up the pike. They are definitely glowniggers.
Probably not. They're just brain broken miga cultists

>>509143114
source your blob of text, retard.

>>509142944
You have nothing tbecause you know I'm right

>>509143005
> ILLEGALS AND TEMP. VISA HOLDERS ARE NOT UNDER THE FULL JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THUS THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION.
Are you suggesting that temporary visa holders do not have to follow the laws of the United States while they’re here? That’s your constitutional argument? That they’re not beholden to our courts or our Congress, the way diplomats aren’t? That they have immunity to our laws and due process?

If the answer is “no” then they are 100% “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.

Go on, post 9 paragraphs about the phrase “well-regulated militia” next

Stop letting the groypers derail the thread, stop respoding to them this thread clearly upsets them and they are trying to derail and slide the thread off the board.

>>509143186
Right about 2 more weeks. See you in mid July when you're still a gay Mexican and we're still not at war.

>>509143234
Fair. I'll leave it alone.

>>509143174
scotus, if you cant find the ruling yo are inept

>>509143124
>You niggers hate America and claim to be America first
I despise America. It is the Great Whore from the Bible poisoning the world with homosexuality, feminism, and antiwhiteism. I would cry tears of joy to see mushroom clouds over every major city. If you wouldn't destroy America you are anti white and need to read more Yockey.

>>509143346
>oy vey

all this is meaningless if you're still ruled by jews lol

>>509132466 (OP)
>This October the vote on the "MERITS" (Constitutionality) of Trumps order to end citizenship status for the children born to illegals and temporary visa holders takes place.
It's an easy 7-2, or even a 9-0 in this court. It is one of the most clearly written bills in any book of laws. SCOTUS does not have the power to "uphold" birthright citizenship any more than it has the power to abolish it. That is the sole purview not only of congress but of the states as well. The president has zero say in how to interpret constitutional law and this entire discussion is ridiculous and designed to whip retards into a partisan fervor when their incredibly unrealistic hopes being dashed.

Either way, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN RULED ON by virtue of remanding it to the lower courts with no clarification on merit. The implication is that precedent stands, charlie mike, just no more universal injunctions.

>>509132544
Go to war with the countries that don't accept to take them back: Iran!

>>509143124
lol

>>509143566
>>509142456
sneed

>>509136259
>y-you better withdraw, y-y-you’ll look d-d-d-dumb…
Hoo boy you are seething

>>509143141
Very true.

>>509143201
Illegals are ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW they became CRIMINALS when they crossed the border ILLEGALLY.

As for Temporary Visa holders the very nature of their Temporary Visa comes with all kinds of restrictions to things that CITIZENS are allowed access to such as; They can't vote, they can't sponsor people for PERMANENT RESIDENT CARDS (GREEN CARD), they can't even work in the US if their Visa is expired

The very definition of a "Temporary Visa" implies with it restrictions in regards to US CITIZENSHIP therefore they are NOT under the full jurisdiction thereof the United States of America.

>>509143201
Words mean what they mean, you're just too retarded to understand them. Just as you don't know what a well-regulated militia means, or what it entails in protected rights, you don't understand what subject to the jurisdiction thereof means, either. Being able to enforce our laws against illegals does not mean they are subject to our full jurisdiction.

>>509143628
What's it like to KNOW you're about to be pogromed?

>>509143576
You have no idea how SCOTUS procedure works.
SCOTUS literally said Trump will likely win on the merits 6-3 already.

>>509132466 (OP)
Also, do you have the slightest clue how retarded it is to try to remove citizenship RETROACTIVELY? Can YOU prove that your lineage comes directly from the colony ships pre-Declaration?

>>509143201
Just read about that... but there are two things still unclear to me:
1) which branch, and at what level, is responsible for immigration status?
2) I thought all this was about INJUNCTIONS, not citizenship.

>>509143943
Yes, I can prove my lineage going back 1784. I am an American, I am nothing else but an American.

>>509143937
>SCOTUS literally said Trump will likely win on the merits 6-3 already.
What the fuck are you talking about?

((( >>509143680 )))
DEBUNKED, KIKE
https://youtube.com/shorts/lNQ2lT1YHrk

>>509143943
Are you white? Yes or No. That's how it should work.

>>509144082
not clicking that link

>>509143754
>full jurisdiction
Is there more on this?

>>509144071
You don't meet the cutoff. If your ancestors weren't in the United States when independence was declared, you have no legal claim to citizenship if birthright citizenship is revoked.

>>509144111
You know I'm right

>>509132544
It's start off by then not voting. It will take years and years to deport them all but then not having their vote count is a huge start.

>>509143754
Read the EO.
>>509144076
Read the ruling.

>>509143680
This is wrong. Entering the United States without proper documentation isnt a criminal offense. It's a civil offense. It only becomes a criminal offense when they are found to be without documentation when asked for it. But for matters of immigration and deportation its always the civil courts that deal with the issue and almost never the criminal courts.
With that beings said.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S1-7-3-3/ALDE_00013603/

This specifically states the SCOTUS can choose not to apply their ruling retroactively, based on a few things but one of the main reason would be the logistics of retroactive rulings being near unenforceable or would have widespread effects. The ruling on birthright citizenship falls in this category as the US does not have the means to keep its economy with the loss of a big percentage of the workforce suddenly being deported. Nor does it have the means to actually deport all those with revoked citizenship, when it can barely even deport those that are undocumented right now.

October will be a big win for those fighting against immigration since the end of birthright citizenship will definitely put a damper on those thinking they just have a child and have them be their golden ticket. But you will lose anon. You wont get the retroactive you so desperately crave. So I hope youre still posting around that time so I can see your meltdown.

>>509144180
Incorrect
SEE PIC RELATED THE NATURALIZATION ACT OF 1790
Which coincidentally is the FIRST act of congress ever released!

>>509144317
Sorry, meant this for >>509144166
Read the EO. It's all spelled out.

>>509144180
Legal immigration is still possible. Birthright is only taken away from non-immigrant, illegals, and their descendants.

>>509144326
>WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE SLAVE LABOR?
lol
lmfao, even

>>509144317
It was a ruling on national injunctions viewed through the lens of this retarded order, you mongoloid.

((( >>509135438 )))
Debunked, you lying kike
https://youtube.com/shorts/lNQ2lT1YHrk

>>509144511
use your words
I am not clicking that shit, nigger

>>509144433
Is this an inferior ruling that's being overruled in October?

>>509144368
WHICH ruling?

Earlier, I asked if we're talking about injunctions or citizenship.

>>509144433
Is that a ruling?

>>509144542
Civil penalties are NOT criminal.
Source: Law.

>>509144585
everything can be overruled, still most of the current scotus opinion is "So too has the Court
recognized that the child of parents unlawfully present in the United States “is, of course, an American citizen by birth.” seeTRUMP v. CASA, INC.
>>509144677
Plyler v. Doe 1982 very relevant very ignored

>>509144677
There hasn't been a ruling on the citizenship question yet. SCOTUS is allowing Trump's EO to go in effect while they are on vacation. They retroactively end birthright citizenship in October

>>509144765
Illegal Migrants who cannot produce legitimate papers are Criminals
Source: Law

>>509144498
You read a headline, but not the ruling. You should read the ruling.
>>509144677
Again, read the EO.

>>509132544
canceling their votes will be the first major change and will make that process easier

>>509144801
Has anybody in the majority said that or was that just kagan and "I'm not a doctor so how can I know what a woman is" justice Jackson.

>>509144458
1st generation Americans, those born of immigrant parents, are not part of the slave labor force. At least, they dont make up the majority part. You know this, but you didnt have anything else to latch on to my post.

>>509144585
> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
> All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
> All persons born... in the United States,

Can anyone with a straight face explain how this can be worked around? It's there in black and white? How is this not going to apply to anyone born in the US outside of an embassy? The King of Thailand was a US citizen over this clause.
Are illegals supposed to be in some magical limbo-land both within the USA but outside its jurisdiction? You can't deport them because of this?

Contrary to what many jews will say in this thread there is NO RULING from SCOTUS that states that the children of illegal aliens are citizens, that is NOT what the 14th amendment says either and it is NOT what the author of Clause 1 of the 14th amendment says in constitutional record, and it is NOT what SCOTUS precedent says in Wong Kim Ark.

>Here is how it stands today:

1: Constitution says that children of illegals do NOT have citizenship.

2: Precedent set by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark states that children of LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS have citizenship.

3: The author of 14th Amendment Clause 1 Senator Jacob Howard, specifically excludes the children of illegal aliens from birthright citizenship when he offers his definition of the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

4: On June 27th, 2025 SCOTUS ruled that the National Injunctions that were placed against Trumps Executive Order were unlawful and thus the Trump Administration was granted the ability in multiple states to enforce his Executive Order on Birthright Citizenship.

>Trumps Executive Order is as follows:
“policy of the United States” to no longer ISSUE or ACCEPT documentation of citizenship in two scenarios: “(1) when [a] person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when [a] person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

THEREFORE a ruling is required by SCOTUS NOW to clarify if the children of illegal aliens are covered under the 14th amendment and given all of the historical context and precedent set by previous SCOTUS majority opinions... the answer is CRYSTAL CLEAR that they are NOT protected under the 14th Amendment.

>>509133954
canceling million upon millions of their votes will open the venue to do alot more to change that

>>509144975
op is a schizo, scotus has ruled several times over this, always the same.
>no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.

>>509144822
>yet
There won't be, you absolute fucking ignoramus. THE SILENCE IS THE MESSAGE. A revision to the opinion is a DOUBLE-UNDERLINE under said silence. The Court often works this way -- there is absolutely no need to muddy the water by spuriously ruling on a topic with rigorous and holistic case law. This was purely and solely a curbing of lower court power to universally enjoin the executive -- nothing more, nothing less. The sooner you skip the part where you shit and fart everywhere pretending this ruling ACKSHYUALLY means literally everything you want it to mean, the better.

>>509132466 (OP)
Fourteenth Amendment + 200 years = not letting third world savages use rights that aren't even theirs to exercise to break other laws. Evidently, "evolving standards" doesn't sit so well with them as a concept when applied to real policy. Meanwhile,

>Second Amendment - muh muskets + 200 years = ban all guns

>Fourth Amendment - muh unreasonable searches + 200 years = I should be able to buttslam children and mutilate my own child

>>509135791
Welcome to the age of ai, it can scan all 300 million in just a few seconds and determine who's illegal or not

>>509144975
Read the second amendment. That one is super broad. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That one has no qualifier like subject to the jurisdiction. Guess what? Non-immigrants and illegals don't have permission to purchase guns in America. So even without subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the 14th amendment does not apply to non-immigrants and illegals.

>>509132466 (OP)
I doubt it'll be retroactive in effect, depending on how it's worded.
What would probably happen would be a separate case. Someone would sue one of these people who would not be eligible for citizenship under the new verbiage.
Imagine being, for example, a debt collection attorney who now sees a whole CROP of people who may suddenly have secretly been ineligible for bankruptcy protection over the past seven years. One lawsuit claiming that the bankruptcy is void is all it would take, because SCOTUS would HAVE to rule on retroactivity then.
Something like that is absolutely going to happen because kikes will always find a way to profit off their own loss. I'd be willing to bet you that most wealthy kikes in israel started "investing" their money in artificial limb companies on October 8th

>>509145151
Correct, and Palantir got its funding in the Big Beautiful Bill!

>>509144975
It says and, not or. You can't just remove parts of the sentence and change its meaning and think that will fly in court.
The stuff after the and has specific legal meaning and it means illegals don't get to be citizens.
>>509145041
OP is a schizo but SCOTUS has never ruled on this specific controversy. Existing precedent does not contradict Trump's EO at all, and he actually relies on that existing precedent in his argument because it supports his position not destroys it like you keep trying to claim.

>>509145062
They could have waited to answer the question on injunctions until after their vacation. That would have left the injunction in place until after their vacation. That way the executive order would never go into effect and cause problems. But what they did instead is they let the executive order go for a couple months. It seems like they want to end birthright citizenship and this is the way they're going to do it.

>>509132544
We vote in Democrats to make them all legal because of Trump's Medicaid cuts alienating his own voters. Cope all you want that's reality.

>>509145362
i think they can and probably will actually end birthright of course, my main argument is that making it retroactive is just crazy talk

>>509145362
Correct, the Trump Administrations position is that of UPHOLDING THE US CONSTITUTION AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS and UPHOLDING PRECEDENT AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

This is what makes the Trump Administrations arguments so compelling and why the opposition is seething.

>>509145456
Trump voters aren't on medicaid. That's nigger shit. Trump voters are on medicare and know the difference.

>>509144975
> subject to the jurisdiction thereof

It’s because you dont know what those words mean, nigger.

>>509145412
Complete and utter fantasy. Your ideological fetish is blinding to to reality.

>>509144840
Post a video by a lawyer/judge.

>>509145456
Democrats don't have the supreme Court. They can pass an executive order but it will be overruled and retroactively strip their citizenship again. But you can do it. If you want to succeed, you need the supreme Court again

>>509145562
Trump voters are on Medishare.

>>509132466 (OP)

>going back to 1868
sauce?

>>509145603
Explain to me why they even ruled on injunctions before their vacation. To me it seems like they want the executive order to go into effect as sort of a baby step before their ruling which will be retroactive.

>>509139987

bloodline citizenship is never fully automatic. if parents never registered the kid as a citizen of whatever shithole country they're from, then their only citizenship is American

>>509145694
The time frame can be whatever SCOTUS wants it to be
1: If they say nothing about the retroactive nature of it then it goes back to when the Amendment was ratified which would be July 9th, 1868.
2: If they specifically mention and reinforce Wong Kim Ark in that "PERMANENT RESIDENCY STATUS" is needed then it goes back to 1929.
3: They could even do a custom time range as long as they feel they can justify it.

>>509135376
You dont need a entire trial to determine it the police can determin your status and if there is no official evidence of your entry or citizenship such as a SS number you are illegal.

>>509145751
And thus they'll be dropped out of a plane over Ethiopia or end up in CECOT, never to be heard from again. Plenty of 3rd world countries who want some free slave labor and will take some random browns with no legal nationality.

>>509145734
The Executive Order goes into effect 27 days from now in 28 states.

>>509145062
>case law
Oh that makes sense, because of precedent, right?

>curbing of lower court power to universally enjoin the executive
That's one thing I'm confused about. Which brack is supposed to have power over citizenship? And will that be at a federal level or state level?

>you dont understand!!
>this piece of paper i wrote myself says you cant do it
>you cant doooo iiiittttt
well fuck that piece of paper we doing it anyways

>>509145954
Correct and the supreme Court is on vacation for 3 months. Do the math

>>509145734
My inability to explain privileged knowledge of the inner workings of SCOTUS does not imply your infinitely wishful hypothesis is instead true. SCOTUS does not act by mistake. It doesn't insinuate or play coded games for white nationalists on 4chan to play games of pretend with. That's not how the interpretation of law works. If SCOTUS wanted to weaken 14A, it would have explicitly and concretely weakened it.

You have precisely zero evidence behind your /x/-tier interpretive horse-whisperer dance. You are grasping at straws and trying to pretend that there exists ANY evidence that SCOTUS meant to do anything but what it did. Grow up. Become more intellectually honest. It's incredibly tiresome pushing your fucking crib around. Get up and walk yourself.

>>509133171
This. So many shitskins would just naturally deport themselves once the gravy train gets cut off.

They would also deport themselves if an actual civil war broke out. So fingers crossed.

>>509146025
Correct, there is only one thing that could be understood from a decision like that and that is SCOTUS WANTED the EO to go into effect because they have the votes, likely 5 - 4.

>>509134824
>thousands, if not millions of white Ellis islanders (trump included) may lose their citizenship
>>Blacks and spics who have been in america for forever will stay
you are retarded. Ellis island are naturalized citizens. so the birthright doesnt apply to them. birhtright is referring to people who did not have naturalized citizens as parents claiming theyre americans now.

>>509132544
Of course we'll deport them goy!

When they start criticizing jewish control over the West and Zionists. Until then, continue dreaming about mass deportations.

>>509145689
>Medishare
KEK, what?

>>509146077
Scotus doesn't like to drop bombs like that. Although they did with the Dobbs decision. Have you been living under a rock?

>>509138910
lol get fucked.

>>509146104
Yep, I agree. I think Roberts is going to jump ship but we still win

>>509145734
>SCOTUS is Q
KEK

>>509132544
>Cut all government services to illegals. Food stamps, health care, housing assistance, etc.
>Audit employers and punish any company that hires illegals with massive fines and jail time for the executives / HR roasties
>Raid construction sites, restaurants, farms, and other industries known for hiring these people regularly to check for documentation.
There I fixed it.

>>509132673
This. It’s hilarious anons still think Trump will deport millions lol

>>509132466 (OP)
What about children born to one legal, one illegal parent?

What about someone born to parents who were legal at the time, but would be retroactively illegal under this decision? Would that child now be illegal too?

I know some spics who fit both categories, and would love to see them go.

>>509145873
I hope they do something cool, like a grandfather clause and then make non-citizens only count as 3/5s of a person for congressional representation purposes

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>>509146344
My bet is 6-3, just because Roberts doesn't want to make it seem like it's close, as that would threaten muh legitimacy. If ACB was voting against ending it, Roberts probably would as well. So they must have ACB on board, and it will probably be Roberts writing the decision making it as narrow as possible, or it'll ACB and Roberts will write some weaksauce concurrence and then Thomas will write his own that declares open season on killing every hispanic on sight.

>>509146362
Okay so scotus rules that nationwide injunctions are illegal knowing about the executive order. They know the executive order will go into effect in 30 days after their rule. They go on vacation for 90 days. It's not that hard to figure out

>>509146416
>What about someone born to parents who were legal at the time, but would be retroactively illegal under this decision?
did their parents become naturalized citizens? if so they their kids are in the clear and are US citizens.

ok but what about the jews and indians?

>>509146526
How about giving non-citizens 0/5ths of a vote?

>>509146288
What, you mean like, uh.......
>ABSOLUTE PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY
>BLANKET REVERSAL OF ROE V WADE
Please please please stop fucking replying to me. You are wrong and grasping at straws. Stop fucking embarrassing yourself.

>>509146387
We don't even need him to, just end all the incentives and they'll go home on their own except for the gang members which he can target. He's actually showing a willingness to end all the incentives.

>>509146580
wdym 90 days of holidays holy fuck those boomers dont even work

>>509146526
Did you know Democrats wanted them counted because they had a lot of slaves and Republicans didn't want them counted because they outlawed slavery

>>509146622
baste

>>509146665
I understand you're upset but you're just going to have to live with it. It's out of your control

>>509136046
>they are going to overturn Wong Kim Ark
I hate how this case is misused. Wong Kim Ark proves the opposite point the left argues. His parents were legal permanent residents, and were unable to obtain citizenship at the time due to the laws. This makes them in allegiance to and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. It's completely different circumstances than the illegals and offspring. You're obviously not in allegiance to the USA if your very presence isn't legal to begin with.

>>509146526
That would be the funniest outcome but it's more likely they'll eventually be made to rule that apportionment be determined solely by legal citizens. That's more likely than having them count at all.

>>509135281
>People should live where they want
no

>>509133171
This is the answer for us too. Right now you can come here without contributing a cent and get money, housing and healthcare for free.

>>509146622
well that's a given, i am talking about when they do the census and count the population for congressional representation. they'll count the non-citizens and counting them as 3/5ths of a person is a decent compromise instead of counting them as whole people or not counting them as people.

FRESH BREAD
>NEW THREAD
FRESH BREAD
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so let me get this straight, SCOTUs is gonna rule that illegals are not under the us jurisdiction?

>>509146792
What is the difference between jurisdiction and allegiance?

>>509146879
The jewish NGOs sure do know how to make a sale

>>509146416
>What about children born to one legal, one illegal parent?
depends on the legal status I believe. Has to be permanent resident or higher for the kid to get citizenship.

>>509146985
The second amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. This amendment doesn't apply to a non-immigrants and illegals. Does that mean scotus thinks that they're not people? You don't need subject to the jurisdiction part to exclude them

>>509147005
>What is the difference between jurisdiction and allegiance?
they aren't different, it's more that to be "subject to the jurisdiction of" you have to be in allegiance with that sovereign. It goes back to ancient common law.

>>509146588
I think you're right. Legally speaking, its hard to justify, which is unfortunate because there are plenty of 3rd generation spics who's grandparents were the ones who border hopped.

>>509146712
Even better, -3/5ths. Let them vote, and then announce afterwards that every vote will be counted as the opposite of what they chose.

>>509147112
but the 14th...

NEW BREAD:

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>>509147018
I'm aware and more and more are noticing

>>509132466 (OP)
Nigger

>>509133549
>Back then being an ILLEGAL was a crime punishable by death, and they would hang people who would violate the sovereignty of the US and cross the border illegally.
Absolutely based if true. Got a source for that? I'd like to tell people that, but dont' want to sound retarded if it turns out to be utter bullshit like half the shit on Paul is.