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Faggot.

Eat my entire ass.

>>509147261
Eat 67.31 percent of my ass

Signed.

Signed.

based

don't care about vidya? but do care about basic consumer right?

here's the deal
if you buy something, it shouldn't be allowed for whoever you bought something from to intentionally make what you bought inoperable remotely because they designed it that way

this shouldn't be acceptable for cars, powertools, literature etc. but right now for software it's somehow ok

If you don't think this is ok
Europeans can sign it here:
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

mind you:
THIS SHIT COMES AT LITERLALY 0 DETRIMENT AND ONLY TAKES SECONDS TO SIGN

>>509147081 (OP)
Video game are complete ass these days. I haven’t been excited for a new game release since Destiny. Ready or not seems like it could be fun but other than that it’s slim pickings.

For those not in the know

>How to feel like you're doing something by doing literally nothing
This "movement" is dead, and "public opinion" is not worth shit

>buy crazy taxi on Xbox years ago
>recently told it will be delisted from store
>download it
>can never remove from hard drive or its ‘lost’
When video games evolved to ‘need online to install or verify’ that was the end. You will literally own nothing and be happy. Or just pirate old shit since the new generation is shit anyway. Can’t remember the last time I bought a new game. It’s been years.

>>509147839
But thankfully the signatures are

>>509147839
thankfully this is EU and petitions actually matter, they will absolutely be forced to discuss it in the parliament at least

>>509147261
wtf is this guys problem

>>509147930
>new generation is shit
There's a few gems in the recent releases
Expedition 33 is legit top-20 games ever, KCD2 was excellent, Monster Hunter Wilds was fun if you had a good enough PC, and Death Stranding 2 is not my jam but people are praising it pretty highly

99% of new games are trash but that still means 1% are good

>>509147081 (OP)
but if links are suppressed, how do you get people to click on the link to the initiative?

>>509147656
This, not only that but this is actually political too. Consumer advocacy is extremely popular across all segments of society and it used to be monopolized by the left. The left monopolizing this issue is a huge part of how they got so big in the first place. They have since sidelined it in favor of all the anti-white gay tranny etc shit and lost the working class as a consequence. If non-leftists are seen campaigning for this shit in large enough numbers then it will stop being seen as a partisan issue, it will no longer be seen as a "proprietary" talking point of the left etc, massively reducing their influence elsewhere.

Remember that popular positions subsidize unpopular positions. Popular positions on the left: consumer rights, walkable cities etc. Unpopular positions on the left: anti-white, replacement migration, trannies, feminism etc. End their monopoly on the popular positions and they can no longer subsidize the unpopular positions.

>>509147081 (OP)
have you maybe considered not buying predatory live service games?

>but other people keep buying them and making the industry shit!
then maybe you need to find another hobby. let the gamers reap what they sow. the people being fucking idiots isn't an excuse to give anyone more power.

>>509148195
small dick syndrome, probably

>>509147081 (OP)
Nice campaign but i ain't making social media accounts for ya.

>>509148350
Reply/comment on your first post with a link

>>509148890
I don't use socialmedia either
but you can get people sign directly with this link
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

I don't care how you do it, just get people to sign however you feel please and works for you

ask family, friends coworkers, send letters
whatever it works

Good luck eurofags. I think you're retarded but getting enough sigs to make it someones problem they ahve to address and the corprate seething would be funny so you have my support.

>>509147758
How about you stop buying games that could be potentially killed instead of regulating them you dumb reddit nigger

>>509147081 (OP)
No idea what this is all about, but video games deserve to disappear.
This shit is a worthless autists-creating waste of time.

>>509150075
>Companies should be allowed to take away the things I paid for

>>509150075
leaving things up to consumers being not retarded doesn't work
never normalize retarded businesspractices and fight them any way possible

>>509150157
>posts on 4chan

>>509150232
what makes you thing daddy govt cares?

>>509150157
>No idea what this is all about


>>509147656
"don't care about vidya? but do care about basic consumer right?

here's the deal
if you buy something, it shouldn't be allowed for whoever you bought something from to intentionally make what you bought inoperable remotely because they designed it that way

this shouldn't be acceptable for cars, powertools, literature etc. but right now for software it's somehow ok"

you are eligible to sign it here, my 45 degree flipped brother:

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>>509147261
I hope belgs and dutch aren't taking this disgust's words as the truth. What a disgusting person this guy is. I'd like to see him face the consequences of his actions and feel those in his bones for a long while...

Anyway...
>>509148771
Invalid argument. Take a look at the amount of chubby americans; do you think they can fix it by simply not buying unhealthy food? No-
It needs to be legal at that stage, because companies will not adjust on their own and addictive means are addictive.
Keep in mind that mobile games employ all psychological weaknesses of the human psyche. Watch "Let's go whaling" on youtube for an explanation.

Everything is turning into a rental, which in itself is anticompetitive and increases corporate laziness. You buy Zelda, nintendo sunsets, releases switch 2, you need to buy Zelda again. Sunsets, releases switch 3, buy zelda again, each time the price increases by 30 dollars.
This is insane practise. Only corporate shills support this.

Stop being a greedy ass parasite of the common folk and consumerbase.

>>509150075
How about a more equal power balance between consumer and corporation in each User Agreement

>>509150376
In the Eu they do. Now bend over

>>509150684
that means fuck all anywhere else dumb gorilla nigger

>>509147261
>Actually, you SHOULD kill games
>My dad got me a job at blizzard, btw
>that doesn't make me a nepo baby, though

>>509150750
>that means fuck all anywhere else dumb gorilla nigger

>>509150157
Sure
Sign it to ensure corpos don't take away your printer (or make it unusual remotely)
Sign it for your security system and cameras, since that too can be taken away
Sign it to prevent corpos from making you replace your car by preventing it from locking
Sign it to prevent corpos from forcing you to upgrade your phone
Sign it to prevent corpos from forcing it to upgrade your windows
Sign it to prevent corpos from upgrading your card payment system.
etc...

Videogames are a playground to test how far a corpo can go with consumer abuse, but it usually doesn't stay there.

>>509150871
>muh universal usb-c for eu only
again doesn't mean it'll change shit anywhere else especially licensing and copyrighting in the US

>>509147081 (OP)
Ross Scott is, in my experience, not who he presents himself as. Two faced is perhaps a word for it. IDK if I'd call him manipulative but he's been aggressive and rude when he thinks he can get away with it (used to be big on AF forums) and he's also good at playing a real sweet boy when the camera's on. Be very careful with this nigga

>>509151413
>EU only
This jeet shill sure is retarded

>>509151413
ever heard of the "Brussels effect"?

>>509151488
Luckily Ross Scott isn't one of the organizers. Some unknown people are. Ross is just a public face on youtube.
Also the organizers cannot deviate from what it says on the ECI and we can follow the discussions and what the EC will do with it.

>>509147081 (OP)
what the fuck is "blue sky"

>>509151413
k thanks for you opinion kid

>>509147081 (OP)
Petitions are damn useless. "Please don't do this". Does it look like they fucking care what we want? People only understand consequences.

>>509150157
It's more about products as a service and licensing agreements that don't leave the consumer with any recourse, about buying something without it really meaning owning anything. Take Nintendo right now for instance selling physical game cartridges that avtually contain no game data and are actually just a license to download, or a tv or streaming service "selling" a movie and charging bluray comparable prices only for their licensing agreement with the copyright holder to no be renewed and access to the thing you "bought" with the language used saying "buy" not just removing your access to it but even when they renegotiate a licensing agreement does not restore the access to that you had, wearable device that costs hundreds of dollars that becomes a useless pieces of plastic becuase they just decide to stop mantaining a propriety app becuase even though people are still using it sales of the device have slowed down so they just just it down, cars which you buy and physically have air condition and heated seats but are disabled by software or even have their engine capacity limited unless you pay for a subscription service, a service they could discontinue at any time locking you out of features of a vehicle you own. Those are the sort of principles this is about. They aren't asking companies to mantain something in perpetuity, only that if services essential to the continued use and functionality of a purchased product are discontinued the opportunity and only the opportunity to provide means to keep them functional for existing owners is given to the public and that says nothing about their ablity to have infrastructure and skills to actually do so. Vidya gaymes are small potatoes and kinda silly to limit the reach and appeal of the problem focusing on something so specific but it can get the ball rolling on addressing the bigger underlying issues.

>>509150075
Consumer protection laws need to be standard you shit eating boomer, this is what fucked the car industry with dealerships scamming people for above MSRP even when the market damn near crashed

>>509147758
SKG was written by absolute retards, just read the FAQ. Its not about single player games that get updates to break them. These retards literally think MMOs need to make them emulators for custom game servers, and provide every piece of server side code. Obviously that is what you're supposed to emulate yourself you fucking tech weenie dipshits.

>>509150075
>Yes, goy, only corporations should be allowed to lobby the government for their own self-interests! You just need to shut up and keep giving them your tax money, and never demand they work in your interests!

>>509150318
We're autistic for other reasons here, and it's the good kind of autism.

>>509152415
the european citizens initiative is not a self-organized petition
reaching the threshold forces a body of government to consider it

>>509148771
These predatory practices exist because the laws for software were written decades ago with a different intention than how they're being applied that allows these practices. The "licence agreement" was meant to prevent consumers from claiming they have a right to the source code, which is reasonable if a company doesn't want to voluntarily make it available. This was all before anyone though it possible that the internet would be advanced enough to allow easy, digital access to software itself on the scale we see today; the laws in most nations are outdated and need to be revised now that technology has advanced past what was even thought of at the time they were initially passed.

>>509152415
petitions do actually matter in eu whether you believe it or not
they will 100% have to at least discuss it in the parliament

>>509151938
Jack Dorsey's new twitter, after he left twitter and said he was sidelined by the insane leftists in charge for not agreeing with them. He then made an even more leftist version of pre-Elon twitter because he's slimy.

>>509147081 (OP)
When has a petition about gaming, or anything really, worked?
Legit asking.

>>509151285
Normies nor retarded boomer-minded anons can see what you're saying, they only see 'heh, vidya games are getting fucked. Good! They're a waste of time and now those gamers have to get a life!' while they binge watch an entire series on netflix and play their mobile game available on their social media account that they never stop looking at. They don't understand legal precedent and how this can have a ripple effect into virtually everything else now since every product is inching into X-as-a-service to some degree. The "internet of things" push will guarantee this will bite them in the ass sooner than they think.

>>509154441
Euros have a system that, with enough signatures obtained, forces a discussion in the EU parliament. It's an issue that they can just keep spamming if their efforts are unsuccessful, but it also brings wider attention to it.

can we get start killing jews petition instead?

>>509147671
I just play indie games on Steam these days

>>509147671
I'll never forgive nu bungo for turning something with so much potential into tranny money printing slop. I fucking hate bungie like you wouldn't believe. I fucking wish I could go back to the Halo 3 era.

>>509155367
>forces a discussion in the EU parliament
Sure, but what if the parliament says the issue is a nothing burger?
The parliament is full of boomers, just like anywhere else, and they don't give two shits about the opinions of their own committees, as seen with the thousand page long report on piracy concluding that piracy harms nothing.
>they can just keep spamming
Has there been a previous example of a petition being spammed AND winning?

>>509147671
I don't game anymore but aren't you that guy who only plays mainstream games? There's so mang realistic fps games these days with a fan community.

>>509155994
eu absolutely loves fucking up corpos, and more than that it makes them look good in the eyes of the people, it's basically a free propaganda for them

>>509152824
>just read the FAQ. Its not about single player games that get updates to break them
Correct
>MMOs need to make them emulators for custom game servers
Incorrect. Servers are made to be independent on whatever service the publisher uses to run them. Usually they achieve this through virtualization. It's a manner of changing configs for most modern servers.
>and provide every piece of server side code.
Incorrect again. This isn't GNU. People only ask for games to be playable, including multiplayer games indeed.

Think private server emulators. Publishers use basically a similar tool; except its virtualized. This can indeed be run on a single client-server or small network. The developers and publishers use such conditions themselves to test planned content and updates, before throwing it on their larger network.

Basically stuff already exists. Publishers often decide to let games disappear completely instead.

>>509155994
So do nothing? Or jump straight to the rope and lampposts? What do you propose in-between or around those two?

>>509147081 (OP)
I would like for video games to die. I will not exercise my immense hashtag powers to help save video games and the faggot losers who play them.

>>509156570
Answer this then faggot. If I make my game server on non-x86 boards in a cluster that talk to each other not using TCP/IP the only possible means is for someone to make them an emulator and give them functional server code for said emulator. How do you solve this without determining how I design my server and without making me work for you for free? I will take your concession now

>>509155994
They should have referred to "Media" in general and not "Games" specifically to get more signatures and likelihood parliament will care about it
>Buy I Dream of Genie or something, probably a few hundred for every episode
>Click play but nothing happens
>Sorry, we lost all the episodes you bought due to lisencing
>No Refunds

>>509156542
Corpos are parasites; they only care about money.
It's a gov's job to put these dogs on a leesh and prevent them from destroying everything, including itself (for example its own employees) for money.

>>509154441
Yeah. You can find a list here: https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/find-initiative_en?CATEGORY%5B0%5D=any&STATUS%5B0%5D=ANSWERED&SECTION=ALL
It seems politicians themselves sometimes organize one. (note the organizers)

>>509156542
>eu absolutely loves fucking up corpos
Do they? Because it appears to me they protected corpos with that piracy study thing that was shut down:
https://edri.org/our-work/did-the-eu-commission-hide-a-study/
But then again, I'm not euro nor am I knowledgeable about euro legislation so enlighten me if you have the time to spare.
>>509156654
The French Revolution definitely wasn't won with petitions and peaceful protests, lol.
>>509157202
Yeah, I thought the same. This was created very haphazardly, which makes me wonder if it isn't actually a corporate false flag to make the idea of changing content availability a joke or something.

>>509156833
>Answer this then faggot.
No.
Use google or whatever. Figure it out yourself.
I don't even read modern server nonsense in your post, such as kubernetes, ampere, risk-v, etc. It seems like you live in the past. x86 my god..

>>509157748
You cant answer it, there is no answer. It can be an ASIC for all you know as my game server.
>I didn't namedrop buzzwords like k8
Further avoidance from the truth.
Should it be illegal to have a game server on an ASIC and not provide you the schematics?

>>509147261
Imagine being this deranged

>>509147081 (OP)
What is even that?

>>509157253
>You can find a list here
>only 10 answered
>most is about animal life and a handful of good things like glyphosate and water rights
It's looking grim bro, ngl.
Btw mighty funny how the commission shot down almost all propositions in their response to the initiative to essentially ban State sponsorship of abortions and research on embryos.
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2012/000005_en

>>509148698
Wtf, I think I'll sign now.
Fuck the companies. They undercut natives with imported workers.

>>509148195
autistic narcissist with no friends who sucks corporate cock and loves holding power over people. Always talks about how much he enjoys permab&ing players. Also a furfag that almost definitely rapes his pet ferrets

>>509158848
So that stuff you bought but didn't try yet doesn't disappear from your Steam account eventually

>>509158625
The entire point of virtualization is to be hardware independent. You can keep a virtual machine running and change hardware at the same time. You upgrade the VM with a config update.

I misread your previous post unfortunately, but it doesn't really matter. I am not a god of all knowledge, so-
even if I can't answer your stupid whataboutism specific case in the way that would satisfy you,
which it won't no matter what I will answer because even if the answer is perfect, you'll just move on to another scenario
someone else will pop in and present yet another whataboutism scenario.

The thing is, corpos sometimes move from Azure (microsoft) to Amazon (AWS). When they don't virtualize, they would need to optimize their entire setup towards the publisher every time; and to save time, of course they then won't.
Corpos want to virtualize, because it allows them to bargain prices. You can move from CDN A to CDN B without issues. You can move from calculation cluster provider A to calculation cluster provider B in a similar manner. One company runs on NVIDIA's dumb mini dataceters, and another company runs on classic AMD racks or whatever. Virtualization makes it work on any. There are tools to make this process of moving (setting up the configs automatically) easier on github and also closed source expensive tools.

When you don't virtualize, you get your suggested situation, which means you'll be dependent on your server host and network as well.

>>509152824
>SKG
>this whole entire fucking thread
Goys, c'mon
I can't be the only one who noticed
I mean, does Chuddha even have to say it >>509128679

You can sign here - takes a minute, no login needed.
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>>509152450
bet you are a dumbass and think "scalpers" are why you can't get the latest AIslop memetracing GPU too. It's called supply and demand, one day you will get there and understand the basics of it buddy.

Eww,
>coming to /pol/ expecting them to partake in normie things

>>509147261
context?
not a /v/fag

>>509152415
the eurocrats must acknowledge it
so it's not useless

>>509159965
Oh, thought this was political about the war or some sht

>>509159372
Nothing I have talked about involves virtualized containers, why do I care what other people use. Unless you somehow mean to say I cannot use an ASIC because LXC containers exist?

>>509147656
>don't care about vidya? but do care about basic consumer right?
although you are right basic consumer rights won't be fixed with online petitions, shit is truly fucked up all over the world, and, once gamers fix their gayming they will stop caring about the rest.

>>509160300
>ASIC
The thing is, you won't find a publisher. You can make that a gameserver, but you won't find a publisher.
You will have to host it yourself, and then make other servers work with your server to redirect clients around the world back to you. You cannot expand beyond your own location (likely) due to lag issues with players far away, unless you make more of those servers, which means only very few people will play on them.
When you do ask publishers, they have to know how to work with your server (somebody is going to get their hands on an API at least)
and publishers want to do cost saving stuff, so they will try to virtualize

When your server gets succesfully virtualized, it can be deployed everywhere, including in end user systems.
When you program your server to ensure it doesn't work virtualized, publishers will likely decline the offer or quickly close service due to lack of interest and lack of modularity.

Since you live in the states, you can't properly serve EU customers due to latency.

Anyway, you're going to get all sorts of issues for stubornly making a system that is impractical to use outside of your ASIC system and I don't think the CI will affect you due to lack of global compatibility.

Game Developers could try making games that gamers will like instead of trying to make games to the developer's circle of friends will like.

>>509159797
I'm objectively smarter than you you fucking retard. I'm not your buddy old man. You, scalpers, jews. All of you deserve the very same fate. Consumer protection laws are designed to protect people from jewish agents like you that thrive on fallacies like you provide. Get fucked you stupid shit eating kike.

>>509147656
ok you convinced me

>>509160825
>The thing is, you won't find a publisher.
You can make and sell games without a publisher. I never would use a publisher.
>you cannot expand beyond your own location (likely) due to lag issues with players far away
At this point, what are you talking about. Why can I not have a server in each region? I can't have a server closet somewhere? This is no different than having on prem servers for any company.
>When your server gets succesfully virtualized, it can be deployed everywhere
You're planning on virtualizing an ASIC? These are counter intuitive operations.
>Since you live in the states, you can't properly serve EU customers due to latency
Or I could have a server in EU if I desired
.
Honestly are you just copying and pasting from chatgpt?

I'm not giving some eurojew my full name fuck off
>b-but muh multiplayer games
you should have been wiser and not spent money on some gaas bullshit. you know what you spend your money on right? if not then you shouldn't have any voting rights in the first place since you are mentally a retarded gorilla nigger.
do you buy a roll of toilet paper and then sue the company because you used it all to wipe your ass and you can't wipe your ass anymore with that one particular roll? no? then why you complain when you spend money on a live service game? oh you didn't know? well it's in the fucking name isn't it? every game since the 2010s has had that retarded "internet connection required" on the fucking box. if you have a problem with that then why did you spend your money on it? why? because you don't value your own money or why?
and secondly, every game since steam became a thing has not been bought but "rented" but I assume you didn't read the fine print and just clicked "ok take my money gaben" like the troglodyte you are.

>>509161499
I'm not, chatgpt is probably smarter.

Well, figure it out yourself them. The point of this proposal is for companies to adept, not for customers to figure out a way for a company to adept.

Hire consultants if you really need advise.

One of the issues is that I do not know how the EC will respond, how the EU will respond and what this law will entail if any is made. All the ECI does is bring it to the EC's table, who can then consider bringing it to the EU's table.
The EU, where too many lobbyists are, will then decide to do something (if anything) with it, or throw the idea into the bin. Not everything accepted as a succesful ECI led to change and, fringe cases are difficult to predict.

You as the game dev have to figure out a way for the game to work for others, in case you don't find it profitable anymore. That's really it. You put that in your entire design from the ground up.

>>509147261
>EA since 2018
his game never lived
:^)

>>509162088
I respect the response. I will make this simple. You cannot (no one can) give you the means to host a game server that runs on ASICs. There is not a "consultant" on the planet. The only thing you can do is emulate the ASIC. Which also requires someone to build an emulator, a task that would be as significant as the entire project. And somehow this falls to the developers feet in the SKG fantasy world.

>>509147261
I voted but i know this wont go nowhere im just in it for the fun. Euther this guy ooses and we make fun of him or we lose and i flaseflag making fun of SKG crowd.
Its gonna be fun.

>>509147081 (OP)
so are you against a temporary license? like game pass? because if you get your way EU will only be able to buy temporary licenses. monkey paw shit. you gonna pay full price for a 1 year license on steam.

>>509162941
>so are you against a temporary license?
No, because this only applies to games that you have bought

>>509162941
>you gonna pay full price for a 1 year license on steam.
oh I'm sure good guy steam will find a way to cater to their actual customers, devs and studios, just like how they did it when the EU passed the 14 day refund policy, they'll just slip some tiny and inconspicuous amendment to the SSA no NPC reads.

>>509148195
Narcissist who decides his stance before building a narrative around it that justifies his stance and proves him right. I know it too well, I do it sometimes - but its actually not concios action, its something probably many of us do without thinking about it.
>Him not relenting after being called out is the real problem, he is too used to getting away with it.

>>509160743
> shit is truly fucked up all over the world
glad you agree
all the more to show resistance as much as possible

>once gamers fix their gayming they will stop caring about the rest.
i'd argue the opposite, it gives them something to start close to their world and what they care about
it's a stepping stone to political engagement

we have to try
worst case scenario if you think it doesn't work: sign it and find out

>>509164614
Oh I agree, I fully do, don't misunderstand me, I just don't trust gamers anymore, they tend to settle for too little as long as it means they get to play their favorite slop.