Thread 509167728

YOU ARE DESTROYING THE ECONOMY

Immigration raids leave crops unharvested, California farms at risk
"In the fields, I would say 70% of the workers are gone," one farmer tells Reuters. "Most Americans don’t want to do this work. Most farmers here are barely breaking even."

One Mexican farm supervisor, who asked not to be named, was overseeing a field being prepared for planting strawberries last week. Usually he would have 300 workers, he said. On this day he had just 80. Another supervisor at a different farm said he usually has 80 workers in a field, but today just 17.

One, aged 54, has worked in U.S. agricultural fields for 30 years and has a wife and children in the country. He said most of his colleagues have stopped showing up for work.
“If they show up to work, they don’t know if they will ever see their family again,” he said.

The other worker in the country illegally told Reuters, “Basically, we wake up in the morning scared. We worry about the sun, the heat, and now a much bigger problem – many not returning home. I try not to get into trouble on the street. Now, whoever gets arrested for any reason gets deported.”

https://www.reuters.com/business/immigration-raids-leave-crops-unharvested-california-farms-risk-2025-06-30/

Money is leaving the USA


https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/investors-flock-europe-blocs-stability-contrasts-with-concerns-over-us-2025-06-30/

Investors flock to Europe as bloc's stability contrasts with concerns over US

"Investors in the hydrogen sector are now focusing more on the European market due to the absolute uncertainty and planning insecurity in the USA," he told Reuters, adding this included both local and U.S. players.
"The framework conditions in Europe are not ideal, but they are stable."

"The U.S. is coming from a very capital market-friendly and stable environment. Now there is political intervention and also an attempt to expand power," said Christoph Witzke, who heads the CIO office at Deka, one of Germany's largest investment funds.
"This creates uncertainty that some kind of intervention … could come at any time," he said, adding that Europe had become the centre of attention in the most recent investor conferences as a result.

The shift has also been fuelled by Trump's tendency to make sweeping tariff threats and announcements that are then often delayed or changed, and to draw up executive orders that have tested the limits of his presidential power.

If the business can't afford to pay the wage necessary to attract workers, why does it deserve to stay open?

>>509167926
What wage will attract you to pick fruit under 105 degrees for 12 hours

>>509167728 (OP)
>start of summer
>crops unharvested
Eh?

>>509167728 (OP)
>inflate money 400+% since 1980
>why won't white people work in the fields while jews "sit like an effendi and eat"?
The collapse, reset and ousting of jewish power begins with farm labor. JUDE RAUS

>>509167728 (OP)
>California
>barely breaking even
Stop voting Democrat!!!

>>509167728 (OP)
We need less farmers anyways. It's a waste of money.

>>509167728 (OP)
>>509167785
Have you tried paying a wage that would allow an adult to house and feed themselves? As was the standard for the last 10,000 years of agriculture?

>>509168004
30 dollars an hour

>>509167728 (OP)
Pay Americans a living wage, or die hungry.

>>509168079
I live in Florida and we have a ton of these farms too that are being decimated

>>509168004
then farms need to go and the weak will die, you act like that isn't a good thing. fat people = life too easy. you can't be fat and good

>>509168148
What is a "living wage" define it

>>509167728 (OP)
Just cut gibs. If you lose your job, you can go do farm work for a while. Nothing wrong with it. Probably the best thing to do if you get fired from a desk job is to go do some outdoor work for a while until you find something else.

>>509168004
How about one that would allow me to modestly but comfortably support a family of 4 at the prevailing local cost of living?

>>509168190
Where do you think food will come from for hundreds of millions of you get rid of farms? What is your plan?

>>509167728 (OP)
If 'farmers' can't pay workers to do their work, they should do it themselves. If they can't, they should go out of business. Less workers in the country means less mouths to feed which in turn equates to less farming needed which reduces work load. What a weird concept

>>509168103
America does need farms. Where do you expect food to come from?

>>509168004
The wage is meaningless because the money is inflated to nothingness. A proper farm job, run by whites for whites, has air conditioned mechanical harvesters with extreme engineering majesty doing the job of 100 mexicans, paying enough to own a home, a boat, a muscle car, and education for your 6 children.

Anything less is time robbery and jewish heads must roll until we achieve this.

>>509168004
Why is it that when faced with this situation, you people suddenly love globalist capitalism?

>>509168004
Trade jobs make good money, why shouldn't a farming trade? Linemen arnt slave labors, why should crop pickers be.

>>509168399
Show me an example of this in the USA of a place like this

>>509167728 (OP)
Maybe they should pay their workers a livable wage?

Are you on the side of the working man, or on the side of the billionaires?

>>509167728 (OP)
Capitalism is destroying the white race

>>509167728 (OP)
BUY FOOD FROM THE STORE, NOT (((FARMS)))

ALL FARMERS SHOULD DIE.

>NOOO NOT MY SLAVES!!!
not my problem

>>509168436
So what is your plan?

>>509168445
1972 - an unskilled construction helper at 16 years old earned the equivalent (in today's money) of $72/hr. Probably more now because that data is from a few years ago.

I sense significant ill will from you and I will not be replying further. Good luck fighting against the rising tide.

>>509168492
Where do you think food from stores come from bro? They come from farms

Farms are who grow the food and take care of animals to become meat at stores. Like what???

>>509168139
That's anti-white NEW YORK COMMUNISM

>>509168468
What is a "living wage" I heard a few here mention that. Define it

there would have to be labor negotiations. more pay, more breaks, fresh water provided, no working when it's too hot. we're humans, not slaves

>>509168573
you sound like a fucking communist, we have machines and meat printers in Israel, we do NOT need farms!!!

>>509168655
Okay so you are just trolling nice

>>509167728 (OP)
>we're bad a business management so you have to let us use slaves and give us money
Nah just bring back gardens, communal farms and local meat.

>>509167728 (OP)
WHO IS GONNA PICK THE COTTON?!

turns out free market fixes itself, now get your brown ass the fuck out of my country

>>509168445
This was the reality for agricultural labor from the 1950s through the 1980s, food was cheaper and was of much higher quality too.

>>509168004
"105 degrees for 12 hours" was the working conditions of White factory workers... 100 years ago
The farmers need to catch up to the rest of society now that their slaves are gone.
Have 4 hour shifts with 20 minute breaks in between, max 2 shifts per day. That's literally how Amazon warehouses operate right now.
Oh and pay more, you greedy faggots.

turns out it was a bad idea to build up an economy based of cheap immigrant labor. wow who could have thought? why do lefties love this? can anyone explain that to me?
i saw this in real life when the ukraine war started and suddenly faggots here tried to become "entrepreneurs" and when asked whats their business plan they replied with guess what: exploiting ukrainian refugees

>>509167728 (OP)
>Now, whoever gets arrested for any reason gets deported
This is fair and should've been done a long time ago imo.
But if America wants to compete with China they will have to get their slave labor from somewhere tho

>>509167728 (OP)
I'll work the farm job, you have to pay me an actual wage though
>>509168004
At least a decent enough to live a frugal life off of>>509168468
Its amazing people who profess to be leftoids are bending over backwards trying to defend greedy farmers using mexoids as literal slave labor

>>509168565
The rising ride of farms with a lack of workers?

>>509167728 (OP)
Why has cali allowed these farms to pay less than minimum wage?

>>509168208
Something that has kept up with price gouging and inflation, so realistically 60 bucks a hour on the low end. Americans and white people know how to farm its we need to go back to that lifestyle but was striped from us when they forced public school, city living, "wagecuckry" working retail service and office jobs, created bio engineered death ticks, patented gmo seeds that kill real seeds, destroyed farm land in favor of migrant housing. Doesn't help either that all our deer has wasting disease so we can't even eat them anymore.

>>509168689
HERE, white tranny:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-world-first-israel-approves-cultured-beef-for-sale-to-the-public/

>>509167728 (OP)
billions of dollars of fruits and vegetables...barely breaking even?

>>509167728 (OP)
>>509168004
Guess you shouldn't have started your farm in California, a state that literally has to import water to function. Guess you shouldn't have relied on migrant wageslave labor. Guess you should have automated some aspects of your farming process.

>>509168004
Doesn't have to be per hour, just make it volume based equivalent so it averages out. Harder workers get paid more, lazier workers get paid less. I would argue government should make it tax free work.

>>509168643
>we're not slaves
We've done the math on this a few threads in a row and a confederate slave unironically made more money than what these people are offering.

Mexicans actually would not be able to take these jobs without abusing the welfare systems to get housing and healthcare, ironically we didn't save any money at all using Mexicans, we just shunted the burden of those "wages" over to white taxpayers.

>>509167728 (OP)
what are they growing? almonds?

how much does the job pay?
if the job paid $1 a year, no american would be interested. $1,000,000 a year and you'd have a line of applicants lining up around the block. they arent willing to pay americans enough to do this job and need immigrant wageslaves who dont know any better to increase profits

>>509167728 (OP)
>go farm for minimum wage so we can send more basedbeans to china
nah fuck that, give the land back to american families and grow food for domestic consumption

>>509167785
Thats not a bad thing, read up on the dollar milk shake theory. its bad when money flows into the US and the dollar index spikes.

>>509168528
Tax credits for growing your own food in your yards. Revolutionize the food industry back to just feeding the people instead of capitalism consumerism. Removing tax on all natural food items for individuals and heavily taxing those food for companies wanting to turn them into processed foods. Tax processed foods. Deport in mass every illegal and anchor baby going back to 1965. Honestly it's too late and only violence is going to change anything sadly.

>>509168153
Prove it

>>509167926
It doesn't. Fuck em.

Pay Americans a living wage or fuck off and die starving.

>>509168108
Are you an idiot or something? Industrial size agriculture has always used slaves and slave labor. Thousand years ago, you didn’t bade large ass farms. you’d have a small farm to grow what you could to survive. Before that it was hunting and gathering

>>509168004
You mean to tell me your native climate is 40 degrees Celsius on a consistent basis? Why not simply hire local youths (and no, I don’t mean niggers) from the area when you need to collect produce. You’re only hiring workers for this role for a brief period. The rest of the time farms can operate on a small workforce of skilled labour.

>>509167926
because picking fruit isnt worth six figures a year but it still needs to be done. life isnt fair, someone will always get the shit end of the stick.

Don't Farmers receive a ton of subsidies from the government?
Why not subsidise worker's wages as well?

>>509167728 (OP)
Bread lines soon, comrades!

>>509168826
The same is done in Florida and any place with farms. This is not unique to California. Right now Florida is having a huge problem too with lack of workers in farms

This isn't a democrat vs Republican issue. Republicans all over employ people here illegally. From construction, to hotels, food service, farming and more in red states and blue states

>>509168949
This is a problem in Florida too right now Florida lack farm workers this isn't like some own on California. I can give you articles about Florida too if you want

I live in a rural part of Florida where there are farms like these nearby. People here vote as red as it gets they are not Democrat supporters

https://www.wesh.com/article/labor-crisis-increased-costs-central-florida-farms/64368251

>>509169135
You want to seize people's land who own farms?

>>509169218
Why do you guys keep using the term "living wage" when you can't define it. Its so vague. How do you determine what a living wage?

>>509169384
Yeah in Florida over the summer it absolutely is consistently 40 c during day time. Especially with the humidity.

>>509168407
The only principle the modern left have is hatred of whites. Everything they do is consistent from that perspective.

>>509167728 (OP)
If they paid a fair wage a lot of Americans would do that work.
I live in rural america and we have a local seed and feed (no, not Sneed's) and they hire a bunch of young teens and young early 20's men.
They're all hard workers and polite and they seem to genuinely enjoy their jobs.
I like being outside, if I were younger I'd have done that work for a fair wage.

>>509167728 (OP)
>>509168153
Sounds like their business model doesn't work.

>>509167728 (OP)
>most americans don't want to do these jobs for slave wages
if that money had the same buying power as it does in Mexico they would.

>>509169384
The Central Valley of California is one of the world's most productive agricultural regions.
There are months in the summer there where it is at least 38 C/100 F every day of the month, for 30+ days straight.

>>509169606
Bro this is not unique to people on the left. Republicans all over employ people illegally. That's why trump is now letting these people stay here as he announced cause it's destroying these fields of work

>Texas won’t force private companies to use E-Verify to check workers’ immigration status, despite leaders’ tough talk

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/05/texas-e-verify-requirements-immigration/

“If you got serious about applying [E-Verify], you would create even worse problems” with labor shortages, said Bill Hammond, a GOP former state lawmaker who once led the Texas Association of Business. “Do you want to go to a restaurant and use paper plates because no one will wash dishes?”

Texas’ political leaders know this, Hammond said, but they don’t want to publicly acknowledge it.

>>509169621
What is a "fair wage"?

>>509167728 (OP)
>>509167785
Yids, like you, rape kids.

Tell all those strong independent women to work.

Girl power

>>509168924
Farms operate under low margins, only profiting from bulk.

>>509169547
>You want to seize people's land who own farms?
what do you think would happen if the us move towards autarky? farmers who cant possibly work the land just sit around on it for no reason?
obviously it would be subdivided and sold off to people

Imagine seriously arguing that we need to have a slave caste in America and then calling yourself a liberal.

I want these farmers to fail. I am happy about it. Please never stop crying about it here.

>>509169332
It absolutely has not and has even less reason to in current year, historically in civilized and productive countries the peasant was the base of the agricultural pyramid and it was generally understood that if you wanted to act like a smug Jew and not give him enough from his labor to sustain himself and a family, he would simply put your head on a pike. This was true from Ireland to the far East. Slaves are preferred by so called elites because they're less likely to rebel and less successful, but always fuck your country over in the long term economically and socially, using slave labor or semi-slave labor like the Mexicans is effectively saying that the profits of a single business owner matter more than the continuity of the nation.

>>509167728 (OP)
hey if a small plastic container of strawberries costs $20 dollars its worth it.

>>509169384
>>509169698
Also 110 F/43.3 C is not uncommon at all there in the summer.
It's fucking hot as balls there.

>>509167728 (OP)
What kind of crops are they harvesting?
These farmers are relying on cheap labor to plant and harvest labor intensive crops in order to have a big profit margin.

We don't need these crops. They are a luxury. The farmer doesn't want to grow crops that can be automated because then he's competing with everyone else and so his profit margins are much lower.

Americans don't need a vast variety of exotic vegetables! And these farm laborers are using our emergency rooms to get free healthcare!
Lettuce is a luxury we can do without.

>>509167728 (OP)
The final push we need to just automate farming completely.
Who needs beaners when we got robots?

>>509169384
I live in Kansas. Many high schoolers and college kids help out with the wheat harvest in the summer. It's a nice chunk of change for them. Still have scumfuck boomers importing Mexican slaves to work in the slaughterhouses, though.

>>509167728 (OP)
If anyone's curious:
>What do you grow?
>We grow Lemons, Avocados, Valencia Oranges, Mandarin Oranges, Pomegranates, and Coffee.
>>https://ucanr.edu/blog/uc-cooperative-extension-ventura-county/article/spotlight-ventura-farmers-lisa-tate
Her brainchild
>>https://ca-coffee-collective.myshopify.com/pages/contact
She also did a podcast I'm not going to listen to about how great it is growing coffee in California, so that's probably what she's most concerned about.
>>https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fqeua-1420c91

>>509169896
I am the op of this thread. When did I ever call myself a liberal? I didn't at all. I live in rural Florida which is deep red with farms here who have shortages now of workers

That's why trump is now letting a lot of them stay cause he sees the damage it is doing

>>509168777
The rising tide of people without a homeland willing to kill for one, as has been the case for all of history. What you think of as "normal" is a historical anomaly that was only possible because of the demographic conditions that you destroyed. You sawed off the branch you were sitting on.

Keep importing browns => political culture changes => private property is abolished => no more farms. The farms are fucked either way. Given the choice between dead farms and yugoslavia-tier demographic crisis or dead farms and no yugoslavia-tier demographic crisis most people are going to pick the latter.

>>509167728 (OP)
I'm working on a farm right now, it's awesome and the bosses daughter has a crush on me. I'm living the dream bros.

>>509169405
If nobody's willing to pay enough to get someone to do it then evidently it doesn't need to get done

>>509167728 (OP)
i would do that job
is it difficult? I think no?

>>509167728 (OP)
Isn't California where that one family uses 80 gorillion gallons of water to grow avocados in a place where nobody should ever grow avocados? And it's why they talk about getting pipelines from elsewhere?

>>509170048
Margins are low for profit

Why do you think you can't make minimum wage 50 an hour? Cause margins for profit

supply and demand, automate it if you have to

>>509167728 (OP)
Blame California gov for making farming so unprofitable w/ costs and regulations

>>509167728 (OP)
I fucking wonder why???

>>509168103

Foods that require minimal human labor, and can constitute a balanced diet:

Peanuts
Carrots
Beets
Potatoes
Tofu and other products
Cranberries
Legumes (chickpeas, beans,etc)
Sweet Corn grown in northern states such as Wisconsin, New York

Frozen chopped spinach and other greens (can be crudely harvested and chopped exclusively with machines)

All staple grains (Rice, Wheat, etc)
Oats

Onions
Process grade Tomato products (crushed, stewed whole, paste, etc)

Cabbage Controversy: Machines for cabbage harvesting exist in Europe, but have not been scaled into the American ag structure.

On meat: Young to middle aged men and menstruating females should probably consume meat in low quantities. Under the current bourgeois food delivery infrastructure, human hands are going to be used for choice cuts of meat. Only buy whole birds and chicken pate (pink slime) when you want to cook with chicken. Under a correct (economically efficient) system, these would be the only available items. Yes, Hot Dogs.

Fish: Imitation crab meat (Pacific Whiting pate) is a highly mechanized production system, much of which is done off the coast in the Pacific NW.

Canned Tuna: Will always need some humans, but filleting tech is improving steadily.

Engage with this system, but think of it as a guideline.


Iron absorption on a mostly vegetarian diet: Up to one hour after consuming non-heme Iron (plant based Iron) consume 50-100% Vitamin C DV. Synthetically made Ascorbic Acid (Reichstein Process) … drastically increases absorption of non-heme Iron.

Avoid Coffee with meals, decreases Iron absorption.

Also, Dairy is mostly good. There are some operations that use hispanics, but it is not ubiquitous.

Hook machine to cow tit, cow tit machine go brrrrrrrr, send raw product to other man with other machines, send finished product to store, buy. Also, brown people cant digest dairy.

>>509167926
>>509168004
>>509169405
>In other words this whole industry is being subsidized; people are paying far less for fruit and vegetables than they should be.

eventually the piper comes to collect

>>509170133
Machines for automation cost a lot of money. Big investments

>California farms
nooo not some rich kid's clout crop!
what will we do without 5$ California slop wine?

>>509170207
You realize California has huge swaths of red areas that vote Republicans that produce a lot of food right?

>>509170127
>Why do you think you can't make minimum wage $50/hr?
Because rich people took all the money

Also, if you insist on keeping delicates as part of the regiment, there is some progress being made in more civilized countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE3FB8zAnhs

>>509167728 (OP)
Hire some high schoolers, or pay more. Fucking farming faggots. Fuck you

>>509169547
>You want to seize people's land who own farms?
The mexicans you are importing do lmao. That's why nobody cares about the farms. They're dead either way. Either they die from lack of slaves, or they import millions of communist revolutionaries to act as slaves who will, when they reach critical mass, seize the farms. The farms are dead regardless of whether or not they get their slaves.

>>509169384
>>509170000
Exactly! The only reason farmers are complaining is because they have gotten used to affluence. Historically, rarely have farmers been particularly wealthy and until 200-250 years ago most were subsistence farmers not agribusiness wannabe-tycoons.
If your criticism of a measure it that it will personally “negatively” affect you though it will be a net positive societally the problem is you. Stop worshipping money.

>>509169547
Odd since nothing comes out from florida.
My point stands why is cali not enforcing these farmers pay minimum wage?

>>509170186

> I can’t spend 10 billion on AI driven automation revolution in agriculture.

> However, I can spend 50 times that much on making sure Russia Hitler 2.0 doesn’t take land from little retarded cousin.

Okay, knife.

>>509170000
Also, arête
>>509168004

>>509170048
Picking fruit is as low of a value added job as it gets, farm laborers have always been on the bottom and this will never change. before mexicans it was niggers who were paid so little they lived in 3rd world poverty as recently as the 70s. Those jobs have never paid well and were always reserved for the underclass.
>>509170169
Food markets have been subsidized for thousands of years so that they remain stable. excessive fluctuations would result in constant intermittent shortages and overproduction. This is why opec exists btw
>>509170280
oh no, its retarded

>>509167728 (OP)
WHO WILL PICK THE COTTON??
WHO WILL PICK THE COTTON??
WHO WILL PICK THE COTTON??

Get. Fucked. Boomers.

>>509167785
NOT THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!

>>509167728 (OP)

>Lisa Tate

https://ucanr.edu/blog/uc-cooperative-extension-ventura-county/article/spotlight-ventura-farmers-lisa-tate

>Sept 2019
> I currently split my time between farming and taking care of my two sons ages six and nine. While I am very much in the learning stage of farming, I hope to get more involved as my children become more independent.

So about 5 years ago this woman who is a "sixth generation farmer" said she is still learning how to be a farmer. She was instead getting a masters degree in Public Administration. So obviously she wasn't big on farming and was aiming for a government job. Probably making her "family farms" more profitable through legislative changes was her desired career.

If these farms can't operate without slave labor then they should go bankrupt and sell their assets. I'm sure if you split that farm up into multiple parcels you'd find Americans willing to "do these jobs" if they actually owned the farm.

All of the illegal farm labor discussion talks past the point that these businesses should go bankrupt and their assets should be purchased by Americans who are willing to do the work. Meaning actually farming for a living, not being a farm hand on some government drone's plantation.

How often has Lisa Tate worked in those fields? I bet she has never put in a single day of actual farm work. She was too busy in college to do any farming.

>I have been directly farming for a year and a half, but I have been somewhat involved in family ranching for about 20 years.

> I love the idea of women grown and harvest coffee for our family farm and am actively working to see that vision through.

I guess she needs to roll up her sleeves.

Let's see these "farmers" open up their books and show us exactly how much money they spent on labor and how their profit would change if they triples wages from $7/hr to $21/hr to fill this "labor shortage" with Americans. It's probably a 5% change in their profit which is over a million a year.

>>509167728 (OP)
You would think that American farmers use high tech machinery like oxen and plows by now but seemingly they still have field work done manually.

>>509170127
A few years back I saw some guy at a trade show showing off his machine that rolls down the rows and blasts all the weeds with a laser, AI targeting and everything, the guy's working on another one for harmful bugs, imagine a little drone that kills every cabbage worm but doesn't touch bees, pesticides and herbicides would be obsolete, you'd never need a weed puller for organic farming ever again.

Now the boomers hemmed and hawwed about how his machine's cost is over a million dollars, and then the fat stupid fucks joked about how they'd just use 20 Mexicans spraying roundup. Now imagine a world with no Mexicans and no roundup, I think they'd find a way to pay for one of these or rent one, margins would adjust, and everyone would be happier and healthier, but hey let's keep destroying the world over quarterly profit margins, it's going fucking great.

video of a bigger one than I saw in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEFxQPJKjo0

>>509167728 (OP)
Aww, poor cunts need their slaves. Can't be paying americans actual money to start a family that'd be antisemetic. Shame on you for sending the slaves off the plantation.

>>509170021
does she have a penis?

>>509167728 (OP)
White men will. Just not the leftists.

>>509170645
>would you work willingly?
I do work willingly. Basically everyone does.

>>509170006
Pay real wages you cheap fuck. If you can't work without slaves your business shouldn't exist.

>>509168639
Enough to live indoors and eat food. i know that's some brain buster for you boomer bastards.

>>509170667
Yes, hilariously European farmers often employ much more advanced machinery because the Syrians won't work any job for any pay.

>>509167728 (OP)

>Industrial farm jews want their slaves back.

>>509167728 (OP)
Can they tell us what they were paying the workers?

>>509169718
>Do you want to go to a restaurant and use paper plates because no one will wash dishes?
Is America really this backwards? No trains, no busses, no sidewalks etc and apparently no dishwashers either? Random ex-Soviet shitholes are more advanced than the US now. Wtf is the US even doing with its GDP? Why is the US so technologically primitive when it's supposed to be the richest country on earth?

>>509170655
>Let's see these "farmers" open up their books and show us exactly how much money they spent on labor and how their profit would change if they triples wages from $7/hr to $21/hr to fill this "labor shortage" with Americans. It's probably a 5% change in their profit which is over a million a year.

This is the one thing these corporations will NEVER do. Same with union negotiations. You can't afford raises? Ok, prove it. Numbers are numbers. You could crush the debate instantly with a spreadsheet. Oh, you won't do it? Interesting.

>>509168004
So it's slavery then?
I mean, I won't say no but I would prefer if you fuckers just outright admitted it and owned it.
Pretend it's a person and just own it.

>>509170607
OPEC exists to subsidize the food market?

half joking, but cheap oil also subsidizes the food industry (shipping items all across the continent or further). That part is relatively new (didn't use to ship most items as far).

>>509169547
Central Florida is not rural and h&a farms is tiny, the one from your article, they rely on illegal labor? fuck them, ill give them the middle finger every day when i commute by now

people in this thread actually arguing for a slave caste instead of letting these retards lose their farms is disgusting

>>509167785
>hydrogen sector
>farms
the fuck you doin chang?

>>509167728 (OP)
>produce billions of dollars of fruit
>Oh lawd how can we break even
I'm sure they can pay Americans enough

Oh no
Maybe they'll have to raise wages to encourage people to do the work now
Wouldn't that be something

>>509170989
And watch how they jump and dance when you say it.

>>509170280
Do you think landed farmers are poor?

40% of the farms are operated by companies like Cargill, Archer and CHS. Farmers get huge subsidies in many cases not to farm and let their fields go fallow. This is called the conservation reserve program and it pays farmers to let nature reclaim farm land.

Food production is likely one of the most corrupt industries in the US along with insurance and real estate developmeny

Okay so pretty sure the red herring for this thread is “muh wages.”

>>509167728 (OP)
Farmers crying about deportations is hilarious. They spent decades hiring dirt-cheap illegal labor, then act surprised when it disappears and their crops rot. Now they’re begging for exceptions and subsidies. Thought you guys wanted the illegals gone?

“Hire Americans” they said. Yeah, good luck getting Chad to pick strawberries for 12 hours a day in 100-degree heat for minimum wage. Even when they do offer better pay, nobody shows up. Shocker.

Some farms adapted. Automated milking, drones, harvesters. Works like a charm. Expensive upfront but cheaper in the long run. No wage drama, no visa problems, no whining. But most farmers just want to keep using throwaway labor forever.

Fair wages and less exploitation are nice dreams, but let’s be honest—ain’t happening. Automation is the only real solution, but nobody in charge wants to push it. Too busy screaming about immigration while eating lettuce picked by someone they want deported.

Welcome to clown world agriculture.

>>509167728 (OP)
>You are destroying the economy
I know you're just trying to make me feel better, but I dont believe you.

>luxury ag plantation owner doesnt have slaves anymore, cries to the news about it
in europe they make pull behind attachments for tractors that will harvest or plant faster than any group of human beings could but these fucking kike farmers in california would still rather use slaves
really makes you think about tkd

>>509167728 (OP)
Good.. invest is some proper machinery if you want a farm. Spics have no place in the modern world.

Necessity Drives Innovation
OP is a spic loving faggot

>>509167728 (OP)
lmao fuck the economy. Suffer parasite.
Secessio Plebis.

>>509167728 (OP)
>I try not to get into trouble on the street. Now, whoever gets arrested for any reason gets deported.”
How hard to these animals have to "try" to not commit fucking crimes and get arrested in the course of going about their day?
>REEEEE but my strawberries!
Nothing personal Pancho.

>>509167728 (OP)
>Most Americans don’t want to do this work.
Then offer to pay them more or do it yourself. People do janitorial work where they have to clean up homeless people's shit and diarrhoea every day and they do it because the pay is good enough. Make the pay worth the effort and people will line up. Problem solved.

>>509167728 (OP)
Pick your own cotton nigger.

>>509171161
What do those staple farmers have anything to do with delicates though?

I don’t care if staple crops are overproduced as long as they remain cheap and excess doesn’t go to feed brown people in 3rd world countries.

You’re completely missing the point. You don’t need blueberries to live.

>>509170157

>>509170655
>harvesting coffee
>in California

What a fucking retard. Coffee is only commercially grown in Hawaii. This bitch went to Starbucks and thought "teehee! Farming and roasting my own coffee would be fun!"

>>509167926
Because "livable wage" is only for Starbucks baristas, according to these fucking useless retarded faggot leftoids.
They fucking hate anything that resembles work, and despise all who do it. That's why they want to make a slave caste of illegal alien workers to do this sort of thing, so it can pay like shit, and they can get away with abusing them.
All to make sure that no White ever gets it in their head that manual labor can be a respectable way to make a living or raise a family ever again. You want that? No, too bad. That's not for you.

>>509167728 (OP)
This job isn't for slow niggas shit ill do this job if pay out by pound is amazing not like working ass fast food

>>509167728 (OP)
Pay 200kand I will.hell.ill do it for 110

>>509171175
>Even when they do offer better pay
Yes.
I've seen the articles.
>"WE STARTED OFFERING MINIMUM WAGE AND STILL NOBODY SHOWED UP"
Every farmer who admitted to not paying minimum wage would have been shot by the journalist interviewing them if journalists actually had a moral centre.

>>509171415
> Here, allow me to encourage (You) young man to be a scab for a corporation.

People don’t have to work like they used to dawg. Work is for niggers.

>>509167728 (OP)
>be California
>home to biggest tech industry on the planet
>still relies on slave labor to pick berries
If they cut off immigration 10 years ago right now you'd be seeing fields of pic related while you enjoy your cheap strawberries.

>>509167728 (OP)
>MUH COTTON WON'T GIT PICKED!!

>>509170901
This

Somehow the dow, Nasdaq and S&P keep rising despite all these fortune 500 and 1000 companies talking about increased operating costs.

All the democrat base knows about is being a wagie and getting benefits from Uncle Sam. None of them run their own businesses except food service and sex toy shops.

>>509167728 (OP)
I will do those farm jobs for $150 an hour. This is called supply and demand.

>>509167728 (OP)
These are coming out next year you dumb nigger. We dont need spics anymore.

>>509171566
We can have correct nutrition without using as many human hands. >>509170157

We can also use the government to scale up more operations like this >>509170289 so eventually we can re-incorporate delicate produce back into our nutrition regime.

>>509171491
It all comes back to boomer entitlement.
I want to buy gold for 10 cents an ounce, why is nobody buying!?? We must import desperate people who will sell me gold for 10 cents an ounce.

I want to buy this stock at a price that's much less than XYZ price. Why will nobody sell it to me?! We must import desperate people who will sell me the stock at that price.

Apply this attitude to anything besides labor and you'll see how entitled and insane it is.

>>509169202
australia has no sales tax on fresh food, it hasn’t helped, still immigrants fucking up the system

>>509171566
No, the nigger is you.
This is why this nation will die. Because instead of just hiring Whites to pick your crops, you imported violent, half-feral apemen, or quasi-Spaniard Indio-mutts who are also semi-feral and both groups do not share either the White man's work ethic, or his sense of justice, or fairness.

>>509171621
Same thing with covid greedflation. I don't care if the libtards tried to coopt the argument, those price increases *were* corporate greed, not inflation. If it were inflation, the higher prices would have been offsetting costs and profits wouldn't have risen. They had records profits.

>>509168004
$150 an hour.

>>509171366
As another anon said, let the farmers that can't pay a living wage go bankrupt due to their shifty model and open the land up for sale to more entrepreneurial people. Most of the produce i buy is dog shit anyway. Most "delicates" come from Mexico and south America and they taste like shit.

We should shift to localized production and indigenous foodstuffs. High production farming creates a shitty product.

>>509171702
How long will they endure in mud and sand?

>>509167728 (OP)
rich land owners and farm owner dont want to pay proper wages to people. fucking go out of business see if i care lets crash this shit

>>509168004
ROBOTS. we have million dollar missiles blowing up shit in the middle east but we cannot use robots to pickup shit.

>>509168251
>and the weak will die
open your fucking eyes retard

>>509170645
>because society forces me to
If by society you mean natural law, then yes. If you dont work in the wilderness to find food, you will die.

>>509171175
>offer better pay
going from $7 to $10 is not "better pay" that's delusion.

>YOU ARE DESTROYING THE ECONOMY
Good.
I want to witness the anglo empire burn to ashes.

>>509168004
minimum wage, free water, and some drugs
bout all it'll take
people forget you have a entire workforce currently homeless because they have drug addictions, so obviously you just pay them in drugs.

>>509169547
>How do you determine what a living wage?
Minimum 400% the median rent of a 1 bedroom apartment within a 10 to 20 mile radius.

>>509171842
Yes, and Amazon/walmart/target buy their products wholesale from China. They collude to keep their prices high. Same goes with grocers.

Sure, they compete on sales and getting inventory out the door, but theyre not actively driving each other out of business.

>>509167728 (OP)
bring them in legally, let them work the fields on a visa, then make sure they leave by their deadline. its what every other country does. the current system is literally chaos

>>509171900
Incorrect.

AI can provide the solution to hands free delicate produce. Meantime: You don’t need delicates. Your body cannot tell the difference between Ascorbic acid from a pill and an orange. Likewise, it cannot tell the difference between fiber from tofu and fiber from a blueberry.

>>509171814
Good luck convincing white people to work like niggers. They know better.

>>509167785
That's because j-pow hasn't cut rates yet. The second the fed starts doing what they should have done 9 months ago you'll see a lot more investment pouring in.

>>509167926
Oh silly American, capitalism for thee, but socialism for me.

>>509171900
Farming isn't even competitive. The government subsidizes this shit heavily. I promise you 90% of farming labor wages are paid in some way through our tax dollars. We could cut out the middle man, pay poor Whites 30/hr to do it, and come out ahead because we wouldn't be importing spics to be an even further drain on our resources.

>>509167728 (OP)
you need less farms with less people
stop importing millions of niggers and nigger-adjacents
stop growing food just to mass-dump it to niggers in africa
stop growing food just to sell it to niggers in china
grow what you need, frame industry around your nation's people

this entire thing is a self-creating problem where you keep bringing in foreign hordes and needing ways to invent methods to feed them until you just have half your country producing food for foreign interests while your native populace is left malnourished

>>509171951
I love how they try to twist this one both ways.

>I'll NEET, fuck work
Heh ok bum we'll replace you with robots

>I don't care about the illegals; replace them with robots
NOOO WE'RE GOING TO STARVE

It's pretty simple:
Raise the price you're selling your food at
Take that money and hire workers at higher wages
Take some more money and improve working conditions (no reason not to invest in water/ice dispensers and shade).

Fuck farmers.

>>509172118
White people already "work like niggers" you moronic Shitlib Jew.

>>509172117
Nah, they can go around to high schools, homeless shelters, and jails to look for local workers like their grandfathers did.

employing undocumented labor is a
federal crime
harboring undocumented immigrants
is a federal crime
>gib farm-owners and landlords in chains plox

>>509167728 (OP)
Womp womp

>>509172118
>muh AI

TELL YOUR AI TO GO PICK FRUIT YOULL BE A BILLIONAIRE

OH! WHATS THAT? YOU HAVENT INVENTED SHIT AND YOU WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO INVENT IT? WOW

WOW! FLAVOR IS MEANINGLESS? I CAN JUST TAKE PILLS? WOW! I CANT WAIT FOR A LIFE IN MY POD EATING PILLS AND CONSUMING AI SLOP

>>509172253
They really don’t in most cases. That’s what everybody gets wrong.

AI and government support can get us to hands free lettuce.

>>509172060
It's so much worse than that. So much of the "economy" is factory-to-landfill to manipulate prices and keep up the illusion of scarcity.
Amazon has fucking destruction *quotas* that they have to push to meet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxqz2g05MTI

>>509172340
>>509170157

Boiled potatoes and carrots aren’t AI slop homie.

>>509172391
as has been said the Europeans and Chinese already automate more than we do, the goal of illegal immigration is to attack white Americans, the cheap labor has always been just a welcome side effect.

>>509172219
Half the produce isn't even used for food, it goes into cheetos, Jack in the Box, canola oil, and other miscellaneous categories of inedible toxic slop.

>>509172391
They really do, in nearly all cases. You don't know this, because you're some shut-in retard, or a cosmopolitan shitlib Jew.

>>509167728 (OP)
Lisa Tate is a dirty traitor

>>509167728 (OP)
blah blah blah shut up

The market will adapt to the new normal

>>509172253
And here is what’s funny:

Shitlibs who eat avocado toast do less harm to the racial makeup of America than gullible retard Conservative Carnivore Crew™

Because: Avocados are imported, the beaners stay there to pick them. Meat sandwich 2x per day comes from wetback labor in meat packing corp somewhere in Iowa or w/e.

>>509167728 (OP)
are you fucking retarded? there are rpbots to replace niggers. you retard nigger arab apes are no longer needed. you are obsolete. an automated tractor can do farming better than a million of you parasites ever could. so go kill yourselves and do nature a favor instead.

>>509167728 (OP)
What a comically Jewish thread this is

>>509172681
Thank you for finally admitting that you're a Jew.

>>509172556
They really don’t, and that is a good thing.

Use machines or pay higher wages, slavery is immoral

>>509172784
pic is u

Nice to see wh*te bois still talking about working farms for hourly wages boy nobody is paying you to pick something less fruitier than you for “insert equivalent to 100k meme” unless it’s per amount of work not time “””worked”””.

>>509167785
>Money is leaving the USA
because every single foreign nigger you invite into this country is only coming here to siphon funds out of us like a parasite to send back to their family back home

they have no national loyality or cultural attachment, they live in bare-necessity squallor and throw trash everywhere because this is only a temporary residence to grab as much as they can from whatever dumb boomer throws money at them to replace local workers

>>509167728 (OP)
What in that field is there to harvest?

>>509169443
Because farmers want to keep their welfare checks to themselves and the government is okay with having a slave caste of undocumented workers.

>>509168004
I'll wrangle up slaves and make them pick it for 30$ a hour. I demand a horse be provided as well, supplying my own on 30$ a hour is ridiculous.

>>509172391
We're literally building spaceships and people think automated lettuce is impossible.

>>509172878
>u-um no??? y-you!!!
Deflection by redirecting the same accusation back at your accuser is a classical left-wing (aka JEW) tactic.

>>509170833
$25,000 to $29,999 per year on average. in California, if they have documents to work here for the season it's over $17 an hour.

>>509168208
Enough to afford a place to live, food, utilities, and enough left over to pay for car payments and other necessities on a single income without needing to work multiple jobs or 74hr work weeks.

>>509167728 (OP)
All of this could be automated, but that will never happen as long as cheap labor is an option

>>509167728 (OP)
I think working in a restaurant as a cook is way worse than farming. And lots of people work in the kitchen than in the fields.

>>509167728 (OP)
You know how Japan harvests things? They invite people to come pick it themselves. You want fresh blueberries, strawberries, apples, peaches, permissions, clams, etc? Come to the farm, drop $10 and pick as much as you want. Are Americans so retarded they literally dont know how to harvest things without slave labor?

>>509167926
But but there isn't enough profit margin for the farm owner to make a livable wage if he's giving so much money to workers to do so little

>>509167728 (OP)
>admitting to hiring illegal immigrants
arrest the farmer too.

>>509168004
How about we kick out all the illegals and let the market decide?

>>509172998
I'm so fucking confused by this administration

>>509172870
> pay higher wages


That’s the red herring of the thread. Get smart.

Make the fucking AI harvest the fucking lettuce, all farms go offline, and give people free government issued Metamucil and Vitamin C tablets until you figure that shit out.

I’m done, thank you for your time.

>>509167728 (OP)
sorry bro slavery isn't cool you will pay americans real wages

>Waaah! American workers don't want to work like slaves for low pay!
At least the illegals get paid off the books and don't get taxed on it.

>>509173197
trump doesn't want to destroy the farming industry but instead wants to gradually transition away from illegals as workers, hence 'temporary visa'

>>509167728 (OP)
oh no where is my army of mexican slaves???

>>509173236
Finally. Now fuck off, Jew.

>>509168244
picking fruit in a field isnt a job for a full grown adult man with a family.
Its a job for teenagers and young men and does not need to pay a family of four wage.

It's needs to pay enough for one young man to put away enough for downpayment on house in year or two.

>>509168004
>What wage will attract you to pick fruit under 105 degrees for 12 hours
Why does it have to be 12 hours? That's nonsense. 8 hour shift at $25/hr and most would do it.

>one farmer does 1% of the work
and you wonder why you need to rely on indentured servants to pick your fields in order to make a living.

>>509167785
This nothing amount is likely due to chasing interest rates or currency arbitrage. Nobody would notice this if there wasn't a way to tie it in to politics.
t.SVP of capital markets

>>509173267
Cool, that's what we have here
Temporary foreign workers come here to help with picking produce

Farmer here. This isn't new.
Theway it used to work for things like fruit picking- migrant workers come up here and pick shit, send all the money back to Mexico. Go home and live off the money they made in America harvest season the rest of the year.
The problem- they can just stay here and collect Gibs.
Solution- remove gibs. Return to the migrant worker paradigm

>>509173103
This is why the Romans never developed labor saving devices for agriculture. Why innovate when you can throw more slaves at the problem.

People think that we need infinity illegals because we don't have the tech for automated farming. In reality we don't have the tech for automated framing because boomers and megacorps would rather pay slave wages to paco.

>>509173267
This, and food is the most important weapon the US has. We can destabilize countries by simply embargoing ag exports.

>>509167785
90% mexicans is a sinking ship, you should have confiscated every fucking gun when whites hit 50% but you didnt because of some stupid fucking neckbeards.
>checkpoints everywhere with mps for a months and metal detectors and they raid your homes and fuck all the gunnuters in the ass
this would have saved you, now its over. tough luck idiots. you can ignore being idiots only for so long until the last one of you shot himself dead with a gun or got killed by a random retard.
came from tubes and there was this weedsmoking mexican with 2 million subs smoking weed and talking his ass off for 20 minutes about him weed.

america is fucking toast.

>>509173456
Actual solution: pay citizens a real wage you cheap fuck.

>>509173197
The admin miscalculated by deporting too many. The underlying logic is sound. The deportations make immigrant labor more precarious, allowing farmers to pay lower wages to the immigrants who are more scared than ever of speaking out against low pay and horrible working conditions. Farmers get their cheaper labor, and the feds get to scapegoat and use the immigration thing to distract their base while transferring wealth to millionaires and billionaires.

>>509167728 (OP)
>Area produces billions in fruit and veg.
>Only willing to pay slave wages, Americans won't work for.
Fuck your faggot economy. Fuck your food. I hope you all fucking starve. If you want to hire these fucking shitskins then sell your farms and move to fucking Mexico or Guatemala and farm there.
Anyone who employs illegals deserves to be shot.

>>509173468
It's amazing that we seem to be following the collapse of Rome playbook to a T. Militarily, economically, and civilly.

>>509167728 (OP)
1:You’re a bitch
2:farming seems like a peaceful job
3:you’re a bitch
So yeah.

>>509173540
>>509173644
>>509173656
>>509173659
toasted mexicans its over for them.
quick bring your gaycraft carriers to israel for your last big fight you stupid gunnutters.

>>509173299
$25/hr isn't enough for 8 hours of hard labor in 110F weather while living in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

>>509167728 (OP)
These “farmers” need to finance equipment like every other farmer in the country or be publicly shot over this. It’s pathetic.

>>509173540
Fine by me. The you need to to pay 20 bucks for a pound of strawberries and tariff the shit out of south american produce. Or stop farming here and get all food from south America. And then hope they never decide to stop selling you food because supporting domestic food production is definitely not one of the few things a central government should be interested in doing.

>>509173491
>random angry European whines about Americans owning guns
Feeling better now that you let that out, Hans?

>>509168004
$45/hr, aka modern equivalent of minimum wage in 1973. Also deport all jews to israel.

Absolute bullshit. Most of those people enter with a H2A visa. They are all over the place. The billionaires who own all of the big ranches in Montana bring in foreigners. Do do the honey companies. The idea that California isn't the same is bullshit propaganda.

>>509173659
Read Oswald Spengler. In Man and Technics he perfectly predicted the current outsourcing crisis/illegal immigrant/H1B jeet importation crisis.

>>509173756
>food will explode in price if you pay the berry pickers a fair wage
Amazing. I bet you're also a shitlib.

>>509173752
So many fucking idiots in here. The kind of produce that requires these big labor forces to plant/pick can't be done by machine because they are too delicate.

>real wage
>Living wage
>Fair wage

No one in this thread has defined what this is yet

>>509167728 (OP)
???? We have farm visas, retard. You can still bring in brown people you just have to pay them minimum wage. If anything you can have the same workers they just have to be on record, approved, background checked, and pay taxes. Why would that be such a problem?

Let the strong independent roasties do it

>>509173926
>No one in this thread has defined what this is yet
Why would we need to? Are these words autism triggers for you or something?

>>509173293
So you thin the farmer only needs crops picked for 2 years and then never again?
It sure as fuck isn't teenage spics doing the work.
>t. 34 year old farmhand being paid a living wage.

>>509173967
Farm workers get paid much more than minim wage when when illegal

>>509167728 (OP)
Stupid cunt should have gotten farm visas for them. Cost almost nothing, super easy to get, and immunizes them from criminal prosecution (because yes, hiring illegals is a felony).

>>509174041
Because people here keep saying it is what is needed to solve this but they can't define what it is dumbass

>>509173748
>110F
The temperature in Ventura county today is 65°F.

>>509173456
They can't collect gibs. And they used to only be here seasonally until new border restrictions in 1965 made it too risky to go back home to their family. So they just stay here and bring their family too, work for decades, and retire back home. American laws created the issue.

>>509167728 (OP)
So, their own policies are hand-crafted to make it impossible for normal, average, everyday Americans to make it. Then, they masquerade as "business owners", when really it was just inheritance that got them there. Then, the illegals who are here sell illegal drugs to our kids and families while the real estate prices explode. Surely enough, that's not a fucking disaster in the making.

>>509173926
It's the price at which people will actually make the transaction. That *is* the definition of market rate. Since nobody's agreeing to work for these farms they aren't paying the market rate. This rate is at or very near to the income necessary to live a basically comfortable life (nobody takes a full time job that can't realistically support them).

But you know this, you're just trying to poke holes at strawmen.

>>509173873
Im not a shitlib. I just understand how much it actually costs to produce shit. Farmers margins (unless you are a shit lib organic boutique half acre farm) are tiny. If your cost per acre for production is 3k per acre and your income is 3200 per acre then you are only taking home 20,000 dollars on 100 acres. Now triple the cost of labor which is the biggest part of that cost. What do you think happens you absolute fucking retard.

>>509167728 (OP)
My neighbors have their unemployed son living with them. He mows the lawn, tends the garden, and stays glued to the Internet. He used to work seasonal jobs until migrants were so cheap nobody would hire him.

Migrants don’t form unions. Migrants don’t sue. Migrants don’t expect to be made right if they lose a limb in a meatpacking factory.

Migrants are domestic slave labor, and they do take jobs away from people who need them. Not everybody was born to sit behind a desk.

>>509174079
>people
So respond directly to them instead of making a general post like you're socially retarded.

>>509174098
shitlib hands typed this post.

>>509174083
Florida has 200,000 and is ridiculously hot most of the year

>>509167728 (OP)
I grow my own strawberries in my yard. About 5 minutes of watering a day. Feels good connecting to nature and I pick them for my wife for her to eat. I got grapes coming in too. Mexican niggers OUT.

Of course not. You wouldn't hire us even if we begged to work for the same amount as an illegal and had living expenses subsidized by the government.

>>509174143
I have and they can't define it. At best you get troll answers

>>509167728 (OP)
Fine I'll pick the vegetables so we can turn off the infinity beaners but you guys owe me one

>>509174192
Probably because those are all lefty faggot terms that no one here actually uses.

>>509174126
>Farmers margins (unless you are a shit lib organic boutique half acre farm) are tiny.
Nigger this is what every industry claims 24/7, from hospitals to pharmaceutical companies to car factories. It's standard practice to structure your books to reduce taxes. You always want to report a loss.

Most farms are owned by multibillion dollar agribusinesses. Small, their profits are not.

>>509174126
Use shitlib arguments, then you become a shitlib. Simple as, shitlib.
>uses complete bullshit premise scenario where they/them wins no matter what
Typical shitlib argument tactic.

>>509173857
Will look into it, thanks Anon.
Also, here's one that should be added to /ppl/ required reading that isn't so heavy on theory or fantasy.

>>509173456
you will hire americans or you are going to jail your choice

>>509173293
They need the wealth to be able to do that, not live day-by-day until fucking then. Age-talk for manual labor is an actual joke, don't talk about jobs like I am living in the same country my parents or any generation prior lived in. Not the same world, not the same rules, go fuck yourself.

>>509174079
A wage that enables to me to at LEAST, LEAST, survive by my own self with the tiniest wad of cash to serve myself each week. Forget the semantics or the "alright I hear you, how about-" no, that's the stake and I don't even care if you don't disagree you can just swing if you make any kind of buzzing noises around this situation. See ya grandkids later, if you have any!

>>509168643
The whole idea of "you have to slave away in 110 degree sun"

No we dont. Mylar balloon, follows workers around making shade while they harvest. Harvest at night. Ect. The farms themselves expect slaves, so die as a business. No more slaves. Pay us or strawberries are 35 bucks a lb. I dont care.

>>509174165
>110F
that's not the point. the point is that the temperature is an exaggeration.
the wind from the Pacific Ocean cools the temperature by a lot.
Ventura literally has a beach.
you can expect 110F from Death Valley, which there is no way they are farming there

>>509174098
I agree with you about laws fucking it up. Thinking illegals in California dont collect gibs is comical. They do. And if they do t their wife does for the children that they have had that are now american citizens because of anchor baby laws. Need to return to pre 65 migrants worker situation and get rid of birthright citizenship

>>509174070
>should have gotten farm visas for them
can't abuse them as easy if they're legal.

>>509174180
>Mexican niggers OUT.

We can grow our own fruit. Those fucking six generation faggots need to go. They should turn the farms into affordable housing. That way, there is no housing crisis. Then, actually tend to the fucking waterways in California without listening to the faggoty environmentalists. Nobody has enough water because the army corps of engineers is not allowed to capture more runoff. See? The same fucking people who want illegal immigration don't want to build a sufficient water supply. California government doesn't care about you, and they certainly do not care about the environment. They only care about getting richer and making policies to keep you down further. And, they do that with illegal immigrants.

>>509170645
I would gladly work if I felt like it had any sort of real value and would improve my living situation at all. There's no difference in bumming while not working or busting your ass at a minimum wage where you have maybe $50 spare dollars at the end of the month.

>>509174299
Read his whole Decline of the West if you can. Massive work but worth it. You'll have to brush up on your reading of the western intellectual canon if you're not well read there. But absolutely worth it, even if just for that. Spengler is a first rate serious scholar; don't confuse him for mystical hand-waving of Evola, though you'll often seem them grouped together in /pol/ reading lists.

>>509173878

Only some, others stay medieval because they have worse than medieval labor forces.

Every dollar saved by using illegals is more than made up for in healthcare, food assistance, and school costs by them and their children, by a population that pays no taxes but consumes a bulk of them.

I would also enjoy such work but the standards set by employers used to slaves is too low.
Many of these workers touch your food and don't even have running water and many don't even have porta potties.
They are taking a dump then going right back to touching your food. Ever wonder why half the produce rots in fingerprint shapes? Yeah that is where they touched it and the bacteria is concentrated.

>>509169332
> Industrial size agriculture has always used slaves and slave labor
Then industrial agriculture is unsustainable and needs to end.

>>509168949
This. The entire article is about what the farm owners need but nothing about what they offer, other than a GDP statistic. Have any of these journalists ever asked how much they pay their workers?

>>509174456
Sounds rational to me.

>>509168643
So how come since Trump got elected in 2016 suddenly no Americans will clean toilets, pick fruit, bus tables, or dig ditches? How did this SUDDENLY become a problem?

>>509174268
Nigger giant multigorrillion dollar corps took over by buying out family farms who can't make it on the tiny margin. The only way to make money is with the economy of scale. So yeah. The margins are small and 3 giant farm corps in Cali have filed bankruptcy recently.

>>509168643
just fact check people on the temperature in southern California.

>>509173926
there is no real definition and its left vague on purpose to detract what a wage is. It itself is a transaction of insincerity to push the idea of what slave labor is to the populace. To remove what a slave is, what a serf is, and instead hide behind the guise of legality and causation.
A "living" wage is for any able bodied man to get paid a value in which he can afford the basic nuclear family essentials, a house, a car, kids, a wife and some misc stuff not to mention prosperity for the future.
Create a cycle that builds into a high trusty society not this enshittification of selling out your progeny for a quick buck. To be honest the damage is already done and there is no coming back. Boomers parents sold the farm, boomers are selling the house, the children are left with nothing but a parking lot of what was.

>>509173491
>america is fucking toast.

Practice that Russian, Franz. Maybe learn Chinese.

US gone, Germany sinks.

>>509174083
Bro it's not the height of summer yet. And last year the central valley had over a week of 110F. Fresno even got up to 115.
>>509174385
110F is central valley weather. Death Valley gets to upper 120s

>>509169547
>How do you determine what a living wage?
How do you determine anything in politics? Politics isn't science. For example every definition of "wealth" is vague too. The US is apparently the most "wealthy" society in the world, but apparently they still haven't automated dumb jobs and most of their cities still don't have public transport etc.
>>509169621
If there was dumb jobs like that which didn't require complex formal application processes etc when I was a kid I would've took them. Any money is big money to a kid when you don't need to worry about food, housing etc and you can just spend it all on gaming PC, guitar etc. The only reason I didn't try for dumb jobs when I was a teen was because everything was franchise stores etc and the application process seemed complicated and impersonal. What if I don't know one of my government herpaderp numbers or can't provide the bank with all the shit they need or whatever.

>>509174606
The economy of scale is a hoax. Read picrelated.
Made available free by the author here https://www.mutualist.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/otkc11.pdf

>>509174540
Asking questions might lead to uncomfortable answers. That's why journalists aren't trained for that anymore. They want them to be compliant propaganda mouth pieces and nothing more.

>>509167785
I hold no US stocks, nothing but European and it’s been the best decision I’ve financially made.

>>509174649
You put it better than I did. Screencapped.

>>509168999
>Mexicans actually would not be able to take these jobs without abusing the welfare systems to get housing and healthcare, ironically we didn't save any money at all using Mexicans, we just shunted the burden of those "wages" over to white taxpayers.
Absolute truth
And it applies to areas other than farm work too.

>>509174540
>farmers
Notice how they never say corporations? Suddenly corporations are “farmers.”

>>509167728 (OP)
Mexicans doing farm labor for min wage American dollars translates to around 200k in Mexico buying power. Americans doing that job make around 15k American buying power, and it keeps going down and the illegals make housing go up.
Mechanical harvesters exist. We have a prison population of around 2 millions, and God only knows how many on probation and parole. Let them work to work time off their sentences, or to pay their restitutions, and fines. But that wouldn't cause white replacement so...

>>509168589
Kek, I love the boomers kvetching over that muzzie. Makes my heart warm to watch boomers freak out before the US implodes on itself.

>>509167728 (OP)
Invest in automation
>no that costs money
Okay you chose profits over your country and race, and that is why China will win

>>509173491
Bruh you're throwing your own citizens in jail for tweets and you beg us for money every year. You just got done decommissioning your nuclear reactors.

>>509174520
Ok, I'm in. I need a new book to read while sunning my nutsack on my urban shithole balcony, as I'm having a tough time getting into the Sophocles thebian plays that I have told myself I'm going to power through, now unsuccessfully for the fourth time in a decade.

>>509168999
digits of truth

>>509174442
Hey I lived in california most of my life. Prop 81 was the nail in the coffin for the state all the way back decades ago. Our govt IS the enemy. Beaners are the weapon.

>>509174697
>US gone, Germany sinks.
A Chinese unipolar world doesn't mean everyone needs to know Chinese though, just like how most people don't need to know Hebrew in the Jewish unipolar world.

>>509167728 (OP)
maybe they should start farming in mexico

>>509174749
Look up bakersfield, you know where the farms are.

>>509174942
Get the Knopf translation.

>>509174797
>I hold no US stocks, nothing but European and it’s been the best decision I’ve financially made.
There is even a chance that Europe, i.e. the EU, will replace America as the global hegemon, since Europe seems stable and an investment haven compared to the US.
But to succeed in this, Europe's re-militarization must go well and Europe needs a huge army and navy.

>>509167728 (OP)
>>509167785
Show me a poor white who won't do this job for $500/h.

>>509167728 (OP)
The real question is why they absolutely refuse to hire white americans to do these jobs.

>>509175060
Here I looked it up 102 today

>>509175135
also a place with farms

>>509168344
https://christiansfortruth.com/minister-we-get-our-food-from-the-store-not-white-farmers/
Food comes from the grocery store retard

>>509174299
Also thanks for the recommendation; will read.

>>509168004
A minimum wage that is tied to the rate of inflation. Why do you think you have a right to cheap human labor?

>>509174988
Same. I was born there and left in 2003. California is one of the best states in our country. The problem is that radical liberalism has destroyed the forward momentum that is supposed to be given to the youth by our elders. The whole concept was hatched out to destroy the persona of there ever being war heroes, or good honest citizens who work for the government. No trust in our elders, no trust in our government. It leaves it open for a free-for-all type of mentality. That's what California is now. Only there does crime pay the most.

>>509175092
You know why. Can't maintain an infinitely growing number if you have to pay a legal wage. Think of the shrinking returns to the shareholders if they paid people $20/hr, provided water, and offered benefits instead of paying Paco $4/hr while he gets his housing, healthcare, transportation, and food subsidized by the US taxpayer.

>>509175355
Is there anything boomers and leftists think they don't have a right to?

>>509167728 (OP)
Not my problem.
Just send in the Ai bots already.
Government wants us to keep bullshitting when we clearly have 5-10 years of that.
Also the people who work these jobs have big families to go home to.
The average white man goes home to 0 bitches and a cold frozen pizza with fucking jeet neighbor. That’s why we don’t work these jobs. The Jews nuked the nuclear family so even the little time we have off with our loved ones doesn’t exist. Fuck off.

>>509175459
People do not realize the insidiousness with which welfare is wielded my corporations/government working in tandem.

No welfare, and the corporations would have to pay living wages, flat out.
Plenty of welfare, and citizens would have a real safety net that would allow for aggressive negotiation. Corporations can't abuse people if they can quit at the drop of a hat and be ok.

They want it right in the middle, just enough to provide no safety but as much as possible to reduce payroll. This is why libtards oppose both austerity and UBI.

>>509175464
Accountability?

>>509175628
Touche sir.

>>509175072
10-4, thanks. Pic is actually a good pickup for $10. It's deep into schozoid territory, and the author is a cringelord - but the book itself has huge value as a reference guide for the genesis and evolution of every major idea currently competing for space in people's consciousness.

>>509167728 (OP)
>NONE OF YOU NIGGERS ARE GOING TO DO THESE FARM JOBS!
The non-white "citizens" should go do these jobs and allow me to have the job I should have had if not for DEI/affirmative action. Until then, I'll stay unemployed because I have money, so only the prestige of work matters to me.

>>509175719
Interesting have not seen that one.
Since we're in an economics thread picrelated is fantastic. Some poltards will sperg because he's a lefty but he was an occupy Wall Street, anti wage slavery/corporate autocracy lefty. His scholarship itself is also excellent. Anyway fantastic book, as is his Debt: The First 5000 Years.

>>509175623
That's why the leftoids in government are trying so hard to keep the gibs flowing to illegals. Having a shitload of illegals also inflates housing prices, which gives boomers more equity to feel more smug about, so they just keep voting for the politicians that make that number go up. There's also the insurance racket between big pharma and insurance companies who get tax subsidies and government contracts playing pong with each other to keep the price of everything climbing. The more you dig into this shit, the worse it stinks.

>>509169982
Yes. The LettuceJew must go!

>>509176118
Mass immigration is the perfect globohomo/ZOG/illuminati/whatever weapon

Reduce wages
Inflate housing
Cheap labor pool
Reduce home ownership, increase renting
Slave class with no real rights while illegal, blue voting drones if you manage to pull of amnesty
Population replacement
Damage social fabric
Reduce trust level of society
Bigger customer base
Promote human trafficking, drug trade

>>509167728 (OP)
Hey Retard, have you ever heard of automation?

>>509170048
This, if nobody wants to pay let the fat Americans starve.