These people seem smart

>>509270106 (OP)
They're just retarded thieving niggers, all commies are.

the left just wants to bitch and nobody should ever take them seriously
they channel the instincts of women

Yes unironically overthrowing the government and replacing it with one we control would be an improvement. Are you retarded?

>>509270394
>with one we control

>>509270476
Yes dipshit it won't be a "liberal democracy"

If you can't even conceptualize a form of government controlled by human beings you're terminally retarded

>>509270394
>one we control
You're the fucking retard here. You unbelievably dumb mother fucker.

>>509270106 (OP)
No they are dumbasses and so are you cop dick riders who want to look in windows like peeping Toms, you are not so much different as you pretend. It's why no one votes anymore.

>>509270650
What would it be, you stupid thieving nigger?

>>509270678
>B-b-b-because it just can't, okay?
Any actual arguments guys?

>>509270729
Well we'd start by hanging all the parasites (small business owners and IT guys)

>>509270761
>Any actual arguments guys?
All of history?

>>509270106 (OP)
Replace the symbol with swastika and you will get right-wing retardation too

>>509270843
>first we act like thieving niggers
>????????
>starve
That's what I thought.

>>509270761
1. What makes you think that you can control that government when you can't control the one we have now?
How are you going to control people who have power over you?

2. It's been tried countless times and always failed.

They have no idea due to how controlled the education system is.

>>509270945
The CPC has a public support rate of over 90% according to a Harvard study

>>509271067
>509270761 (You) #
1. What makes you think that you can control that government when you can't control the one we have now?

It's designed to be undemocratic. The supreme Court is unelected, originally the electoral college was basically undemocratic, the Senate is designed to be basically impossible to actually move and more representative of land than people. When a crisis hits in America you either get a civil war if you can't achieve a massive political realignment like the new deal

>>509271076
you might want to stop believing any statistics in the post-2011 woke-era

>>509270843
>all the parasites (small business owners and IT guys)

>>509271323
I agree! The number is probably actually higher because Harvard is a US college and the US and China are enemies

>>509271232
What good are designs? When people obtain absolute power, they will change the rules of the game.

>>509270295
I'm sure in USA, most are the typical redditor art major who thinks in communism everyone will work the mines so he can sit on his ass all day long and write poems.
We have those here of course too.
But there are also legit hard-working people who are communist. Factory workers, construction workers etc.
But deep down they know it's never gonna happen and they are ok with just having a strike now and then and going to a demonstration.

>>509270394
Assumes the government niggers you put in place would be any better, any more competent, any more moral than the government niggers you threw out. You have to be a shot bus super hero to believe that. All government niggers are the same, no matter if they share your ideology or not. Politicians are politicians, cops are cops, soldiers are soldiers, professors are professors, and bureaucrats are bureaucrats. Ideology has little to no impact on how a person functions in their profession. At best ideology that is at odds with a person's immediate self interest will worsen their performance, as is the case with communism/socialism. Your choices are bad and worse, and what we have now is kind of bad. It could be much, much worse.

>>509270106 (OP)
I genuinely don't know what compels someone to think communism makes sense but then I remember most of these people are also trannies and at last I see

>>509270106 (OP)
Capitalism is a jewish scam which runs on perpetual geometric expansion of the fiat currency supply and inevitably periodically fails through either hyperinflation or massive depression and cancellation of large swaths of the fiat currency supply, where the working class have their fiat savings cancelled in bank "failures" or "bail-ins", like in the Cyprus banking crisis.
Capitalism cannot afford to purchase its own aggregate internal production at a price which it is profitable to produce that output at, unless the money needed to constitute the profits is continually added to the system, such as by creating fiat currency (or more of it than is already in existence) or allowing counterfeiting or debasing of sound money such as silver coins, such as by reducing the purity or the weight of the coins.
However, the fiat creation needs to be continuous to enable continued capitalist production and the rate at which new fiat is created needs to accelerate (the growth needs to be geometric) or the rate of expansion of the fiat currency supply gradually approaches 0% of the already existing amount over time, as the supply grows, and so does the average possible rate of profit. Expanding the fiat supply from $10 trillion to $11 trillion within a year is a yearly growth of 10% but expanding it further, from $11 trillion to $12 trillion in the subsequent year is only a growth of 9.(09)%. For the fiat supply to grow another 10% in the second year, it needs to grow from $11 trillion to $12.1 trillion instead of just $12 trillion.
GDP is not economic activity but the estimated and inferred rate of spending of fiat per year.
Inflation, including due to scarcity - which forces people to spend their fiat savings into circulation, inflates the GDP. Deflation, including due to abundance, contracts the GDP.
Fiat currency is not wealth but merely claims on wealth.
Wealth is what you spend fiat currency on, not fiat currency itself.
Capitalism is not a closed loop or system.

>>509270295
Further increasing the pressure to print more and ever faster is the propensity of a large part of the population and also some corporations and businesses to NOT spend all the fiat currency they receive as wages, dividends, rents, royalties or payments for goods sold or services rendered as soon as they receive said fiat currency. And instead electing to sit on part of their income as fiat currency savings in a bank. Which parks that fiat currency out of circulation, at least for a while, and thus contracts the circulating supply of fiat currency by expanding the parked supply of fiat currency. Which, in turn, makes it necessary for new fiat currency to be created and injected into circulation (by giving it to people and businesses who don't have fiat currency they would nevertheless like to spend and are willing to borrow it from a bank in order to spend it) to replace, in circulation, the fiat currency which has been parked, out of circulation, by people and business who keep at least part of their savings as fiat currency in a bank.
Yet another intrinsic, fundamental, systemic problem of the capitalist model is that fiat currency flows within it are uneven and asymmetric. For example, people pay more to businesses as payment for their goods or services than people receive back from businesses as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. This is because ALL businesses have at least expenses towards other businesses, such as suppliers and subcontractors, utilities companies. This means that people, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, pay more, on average, to businesses, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, than businesses pay back to people as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. The difference has to be perpetually made up from and through consumer credit. Which is people constantly borrowing money to make up the shortfall/discrepancy between what they need to pay for goods and services they need or want and what they themselves are paid.

>>509270650
>give government complete power
>we control
How can you be this retarded?

>>509270729
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.

>>509270394
like we did in 1776? how long this time until the next lincoln comes alonh?

>>509270945
When you go to the bank or the ATM to withdraw cash, you're actually asking to have your fictional cash and coins, which only exist as digits on the digital ledger of your bank, exchanged for physical cash and coins.
Regardless of your opinion on central banks, all non-central banking is legalised fraud because non-central banks issue (create and introduce into circulation) fictional cash and coins by pretending to "lend" it to willing borrowers, who then spend it into the economy, and lying to everyone in society that that fictional cash and coins actually physically exists or is backed by existing physical cash and coins in the same actual amount. Not the case. And this is all somehow ((("legal"))) because jews lying to non-jews and deceiving them and robbing them is perfectly fine as far as jews are concerned.
However, although most banks, in most places, will allow you to exchange your fictional fiat currency notes and coins for physical fiat currency notes and coins, they will put a daily limit on how much of the first type of fiat currency you can exchange for the latter. Or, if you want to exchange large amounts, they'll make you schedule the withdrawal days to weeks in advance. And in some of the most pozzed and jewed jew world order shitholes, which are the 5 eyes countries, banks are starting to outright refuse to allow you to withdraw your cash (actually exchange your fictional cash and coins for physical ones) as steps are being taken to get rid of cash altogether there.
Without cash, bank runs aren't possible because there is no physical cash and coins you can request to have your fictional cash and coins exchanged for when you try and "withdraw" some of your cash you think exists in the bank vault. With bank runs being impossible, every non-central bank becomes its own central bank, with no limit on digital fiat currency creation. Especially combined with de facto or (in the case of the US, de jure since 2020) zero reserve requirements.

>>509270106 (OP)
I think it's wild bankers and billionaire technocrats think they can come swooping to the rescue of civilization with a brand new way of running society when everyone and their dog know that the bankers and technocrats are the assholes who drove western civilization into the ground

>>509270106 (OP)
Any political/economic system can work - maybe not the most efficiently but well enough - without corruption (usually jews). Communism never had a chance. Full of kikes from the get-go.

National Socialism was the only system to explicitly say "no jews" and it worked beautifully until the entire world decided to destroy it. For jews.

>>509270106 (OP)
They don’t believe government is incompetent, they just believe it doesn’t have enough power because of the HECKIN fascisterinos blocking (((progress)))

>>509270650
You can't even convince your peers to not laugh at your stupid ideas, how on earth are you going to convince the powerful to not abuse you? You overestimate your abilities to a cosmically stupid degree.

>>509271323
Statistics were always a lie.
Picrel is considered the Holy Bible of Statistics since the 50s.
Notice how it admits it's a lie from the very beginning.

>>509270106 (OP)
Are you stupid? Communists don't believe the issue is primarily with government, they think the issue is primarily with how the economic system allows private ownership of companies

That isn't the same issue as "much government"

If you're gonna strawman at least do it right

>>509272117
...you think bankers and billionaires came up with communism?

>>509272117
Banking is legalised fraud. Banks create spendable fictional fiat currency by pretending to lend out physically existing fiat currency. In the past, they used to lend out paper claims to or receipts for fictional gold or fictional by pretending to lend out paper claims to or receipts for physically existing gold and physically existing silver.
Any tax after income tax is double taxation, because all taxes are paid from past and present income.
Property tax is theft.
Corporate personhood and limited liability are unequal treatment under the law.
GDP is not economic activity but the rate of spending of fictional and physically existing fiat currency per year.
GDP growth is caused by inflation (currency debasement), scarcity and poverty because those cause people to have to spend more to meet the same amount of needs as well as before and because they reduce discretionary income that people can choose to park out of circulation as savings. Or even force people to spend their savings down just to try and keep up with the higher prices.
Inflation is not wealth creation.
Middlemen not involved in hauling or shipping are parasites.
Without perpetual geometric expansion of the supply of legal tender by constant creation of more and more fictional legal tender (which has the same purchasing power as physically existing legal tender) at a faster and faster rate, the financial profitability of businesses and corporations would be statistically impossible.
Business and corporate profits are literally paid for from and through inflation.
(Either physically existent or entirely fictional) fiat currency is not wealth. It's just claims on wealth.

>If you're gonna strawman at least do it right

>>509272014
Is this supposed to be an argument for or against

Looks like my truthbomb pastas shut the jewish cut dick sucking faggots capitalism apologists right up.

>>509272643
The correct strawman for communism would be something like:
"Trust me, we just need a transitional state and then the leaders will voluntarily step down and we will achieve utopia"
Or
"Trust me bro, once class is gone there will be zero hierarchy in society at all. Looks? Talent? Reputation? Innate intelligence? Mental illness or introversion? Racial groups? No bro, it will totally be a classless society with everyone being equal, just ignore all the other ways people are divided and stratified, those are all actually fake and only money divides us."

Why did the capitalism apologists stop replying to the bread? Can't cope with my truth bomb pastas?

>>509273138
Are you retarded?

>>509272548
Yes.
>>509272421
>the issue is primarily with how the economic system allows private ownership of companies

And, this, is what makes communism retarded. They want to transfer private ownership of companies to the government. They're too retarded to realize they wouldn't be transferring private businesses to the government, they would be giving the giant private corporations governmental powers. The wealthy people are going to rule regardless. You're not giving the government control of the business, you're giving the businesses control of the fucking guns.

Commies actually deserve the punishment of having to live under communism. They should all die of exhaustion digging a ditch at gun point.

>>509273235
Are you? I don't think you understand what communists actually want

I'm not a communist but know your enemy dude. They have a shit ideology without needing to totally misinterpret it

Funny how golems of the jew who tongue jew anus and worship capitalism won't address my points.

Why won't they address my points? Oh, right. Because they're full of shit loser kikes or race traitor golems of the kikes who know everything I said is true and if they even try and pretend that some of it isn't, I'll tear their bullshit completely apart in seconds.

>>509273193
Why would I read all that when I already know you're a brown retard?

>>509273627
I'm not reading your four fucking walls of pasta, you dumb gypsy. I'm happy for you though, or sorry that happened.

>>509273503
>I'm not a communist
Yikes

Why won't you bump the bread anymore, capitalism apologists? Useful good goy golems of the jews who tongue and rim jew anus and pay for the privilege? You cannot dispute that banking is naked fraud? You cannot dispute that any tax after income tax is double taxation? You cannot dispute that property taxes are theft? You cannot dispute GDP growth is inflation, scarcity and poverty? You cannot dispute that capitalism runs on perpetual and accelerating creation and injection of ever more fictional fiat currency into circulation? You cannot dispute that corporate personhood and limited liability is unequal treatment under the law? Why won't you cock suckers come out and play? Waiting for me to go to bed before you dare utter anything else here?

>>509274017
So you dare not dispute anything I said. Just as I thought.
>>509274073
You neither.

>>509270106 (OP)
This was my problem with The Jungle:
>Self-interested charismatic leaders are the problem!!!!
>Let's solve this by deferring to... A charismatic leader who surely has our own interests at heart!...r... Right?

>>509273954
>B-b-but muh freedoms
>Muh snek flags

>>509274385
Muh fiat currency is wealth, not just merely claims on wealth!
Muh banking is a legitimate business and not naked fraud!
Muh inflation is wealth creation!
The more I pay for stuff the richer I am!

>>509273954
what is gyna?

>>509274214
>You cannot dispute that banking is naked fraud?
So, let's give the banks control off all business and the guns

This is why you're a dumb brown faggot.

>>509274073
>>509274104
>Being dismissive means I win

>>509270106 (OP)
>'the government'
there will always be a government and it will control everything, believing otherwise is just fooling yourself and being ignorant to its control mechanisms, the only question is who runs it.

>>509270295
you forgot the "terminally envious" part

>>509274341
>>509274514
based romanianon continues his crusade against kike fiat and the retards who covet it

>>509270106 (OP)
That's not communism, retard. The end state of communism is NO state.

>>509273193
Whats M3 and M2?

>>509274668
They already have hard control of all business and soft control over gun manufacturing.

Nevertheless this is a false dichotomy.

>>509275356
He doesn't know
Different classifications of the money supply
M2 is a pretty direct measure of the money supply, actual cash in circulation, checking accounts, savings accounts etc
M3 is much much broader, its all that stuff, and also super long term illiquid assets MMFs, CDs etc

>>509272548
>he doesn't know
Oh anon...

We quite literally want to abolish the state. We hate the government more than any of you ever could. None of you understand anything at all. You don’t know the people you supposedly hate. Just shut up.

>>509270106 (OP)
Every single commie on the planet knows that communism always leads to brutal, dysfunctional, dictatorships. They just don't care because they all think they're going to land a spot in the upper echelons of the party as the dildo minister or something and it'll be everybody they don't like starving in rice patties or working 14 hour days in a coal mine. When a commie says "not real communism", they don't mean that there's some minute difference that'll work this time, they mean that they didn't get to be Stalin so it wasn't communism

>>509275974
Once more, you babble about concepts you don’t even understand. You didn’t even get past the manifesto, did you? You attempting to speak any communist for here is honestly pathetic. And to speak of Stalinism all like it’s the end all be all for communist ideology is embarrassing.

>>509276288
The future minister of bull preperation after the revolution everybody

>>509270106 (OP)
we want to overthrow the government and replace it with one beholden to the people instead of to oligarchs

>>509275582
>central bank issues fiat for the explicit and immediate purpose of purchasing massive amounts of government debt in the form of securities
>most institutional money is tied up in illiquid investment which is nonetheless routinely bartered as alternative forms of fiat
>this is not relevant to the money supply

>>509275923
>We quite literally want to abolish the state.
Oh yeah? How has the dictatorship of the proletariat worked out for you in practice, numbskull?