Why was pederasty so common historically? - /pol/ (#509344267) [Archived: 598 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: SYih84vuFrance
7/2/2025, 11:59:15 PM No.509344267
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>The ancient Greeks practiced an institutionalized form of pederasty where men were paired with boys in a sexualized, pedagogical relationship
>In Rome it was common for men to have sexual relations with boys, including various emperors; although later laws prohibited sex with freeborn boys, these laws were rarely enforced
>The majority of men in Renaissance Florence according to court records were implicated in sodomy with boys
>In Japan both Buddhist monks and Samurai practiced ritualized pederasty, these relationships were characterized by intense, mutual love; the practice continued until the Meiji era
>The Chinese practiced it for millennia, only gave it up in the 19th century due to upsetting Westerners
>Accepted practice in Korea for millennia, kings and nobility openly kept "boy-wives"
>The ancient Celts practiced pederasty according to various Greek and Roman sources
>Until the 19th century, it was common in Muslim societies; attraction to boys was viewed as common and comparable to attraction to women; although technically forbidden by the law, men still had sexual relations with boys
>Various tribes in Papua New Guinea believe pairing a man with a boy to anally or orally "inseminate" them is necessary for their development
>During the Nazi expedition to Tibet, it was discovered that pederasty was widespread among the monks
>Missionaries during the sixteenth and seventeenth century noted that pederasty was common among the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incans
>Countless other societies and many tribes around the world are noted by ethnographers to practice or have practiced pederasty

Yet today, the practice is universally abhorred, the attraction viewed as aberrant, and instead of being viewed as a positive relationship which is conducive to a boy's development, pederasty is invariably viewed as corruptive and traumatic.

How did the opinions of so many past societies change on this matter? Is there any place in modern society for these types of relationships?
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Anonymous ID: OcbayY0NCanada
7/2/2025, 11:59:49 PM No.509344304
>>509344267 (OP)
And why were most of the catamites of the roman empire gaulish (french) ?

https://youtu.be/pNPf-aP-bsA?si=nqJ5dx7AnuSaFE6K&t=16
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Anonymous ID: OcbayY0NCanada
7/3/2025, 12:01:01 AM No.509344395
>>509344267 (OP)
They believe there is divine beauty or love in the rapport or sexual relationship with a grown man and a young boy
Anonymous ID: NFm36wU0Germany
7/3/2025, 12:01:27 AM No.509344431
>>509344267 (OP)
It really isnt. Read xenophon for example on sparta and spartans. Its from that time, direct, just read yourself it is short and interesting to hear ancient people line of thinking and how they wrote.
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Anonymous ID: NL0x/4BrSerbia
7/3/2025, 12:03:01 AM No.509344558
>>509344267 (OP)

Because women are so annoying men would rather fuck femboy shitholes than deal with them
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Anonymous ID: DCC02EiYUnited States
7/3/2025, 12:03:52 AM No.509344619
>>509344267 (OP)
>How did the opinions of so many past societies change on this matter?
Jewish subversion. At some point between the 60's and 70's, banks and credit card companies banded together and actively campaigned to raise the age of consent and demonize any form of attraction that fell under that new age of consent. I don't really know why, nor do I know if society was better off beforehand, but the fact that kikes went out of their way to do that is well documented.
Anonymous ID: C+ovzdC/Ireland
7/3/2025, 12:03:58 AM No.509344625
If we’re being honest, attraction towards younger males is a lot more widespread than some people act like. There’s a reason like half of all men used to partake.
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Anonymous ID: R2x2JApE
7/3/2025, 12:05:01 AM No.509344715
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>>509344267 (OP)
Men are horny.
Anonymous ID: oFMqaeqfUnited States
7/3/2025, 12:05:17 AM No.509344735
>>509344267 (OP)
Lower risk of pregnancy
Anonymous ID: WoKTLv1/United States
7/3/2025, 12:06:09 AM No.509344810
>>509344267 (OP)
>>509344304
Because pussy is fucking gross
Anonymous ID: +03fu6evFrance
7/3/2025, 12:07:27 AM No.509344930
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>>509344431
Xenophon says that a legendary Spartan lawgiver (Lycurgus) who would have lived centuries before Xenophon believed that pederasty shouldn't involve sexual activity, in contrast to the rampant sexual form of pederasty that the Greeks practiced. Xenophon also states that it is legal in the majority of Greek cities for men to have sexual relations with boys.
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7/3/2025, 12:10:26 AM No.509345174
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Times change... morality, especially sexual morality, changes with Time, and this is ordained by the Gods themselves.

The system works towards progressive ends.
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LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 12:13:50 AM No.509345450
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>>509345174
17 is the magic number you're looking for... any younger and there will be issues.

The Egyptians knew this better than the Greeks.
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Anonymous ID: g8D5DpyRGermany
7/3/2025, 12:14:27 AM No.509345498
>>509344267 (OP)
Was it really though? I remain suspicious of these alleged findings. Who is/was in charge of documenting these? What is/was their ethnicity and "sexual orientation"?
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Anonymous ID: EwRuB0sUAustralia
7/3/2025, 12:14:49 AM No.509345525
>>509345498
Which claim in the OP do you doubt the veracity of?
LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 12:17:59 AM No.509345756
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Sexual immorality and perversion is very common. Sex crimes can be forgiven, but the Cosmic Law applies regardless.

Seventeen.
Anonymous ID: WoKTLv1/United States
7/3/2025, 12:29:43 AM No.509346606
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>>509344267 (OP)
>>509344304
Anonymous ID: 5I2Jn3VvGermany
7/3/2025, 12:35:18 AM No.509347001
>>509344558
not just that, theyre unfathomably stupid. big problem.
>Nooo all men are stupid
its only the stupid men that constantly chase after women, they know that.
Anonymous ID: 1d7k9S0zUnited States
7/3/2025, 12:39:07 AM No.509347309
>>509344267 (OP)
It wasn't. Rich people were degenerates back then just like they are today. Rich people are the ones who could afford fancy jars with faggotry depicted on them or fancy frescoes of faggotry or fancy mosaics on the floor with lots of faggotry. Those are the things that last 2,000 years waiting to be dug up by archaeologists. So we got a skewed vision of how many faggots and pedophiles there were back then.
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Anonymous ID: 5UYk39DAGermany
7/3/2025, 12:45:45 AM No.509347803
>>509347309
So what you're saying is throughout history, anyone who could afford to fuck around did fuck around, and often with boys, while in modern times it has only become a stigma because of the existence of a middle class allowing a lot more people to be in the positions of power necessary to fuck around.

>>509344267 (OP)
For men one of the strongest bonds they can make is through sex.
LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 12:49:47 AM No.509348092
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>Oh thou whose face is behind thee, and who makest thine appearance at thy cavern; I am not given to unnatural lust.
Anonymous ID: EwRuB0sUAustralia
7/3/2025, 12:52:13 AM No.509348279
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>>509347309
Why did they believe their gods had homosexual relations with boys? The following are mythological figures which were involved in homosexual relations according to ancient accounts:
Achilles and Antilochus, Achilles and Patroclus, Agamemnon and Argynnus, Ameinias and Narcissus, Apollo and Admetus, Apollo and Adonis, Apollo and Boreas, Apollo and Branchus, Apollo and Carnus, Apollo and Cyparissus, Apollo and Helenus, Apollo and Hyacinth, Apollo and Hymenaios, Apollo and Iapis, Ares and Alectryon, Artemis and Callisto, Asclepius and Hippolytus, Athena and Myrmex, Athis and Lycabas, Boreas and Hyacinth, Chiron and Dionysus, Cleostratus and Menestratus, Cycnus and Phaethon, Cycnus and Phylius, Cydon and Clytius, Dionysus and Ampelus, Dionysus and Prosymnus, Eurybarus and Alcyoneus, Helios and Nerites, Hephaestus and Peleus, Heracles and Abderus, Heracles and Eurystheus, Heracles and Hylas, Heracles and Iolaus, Hermes and Amphion, Hermes and Crocus, Hermes and Perseus, Hermes and Pollux, Hesperus and Hymenaeus, Hymenaeus and Argynnus, Hypnos and Endymion, Ianthe and Iphis, Kalamos and Karpos, Laius and Chrysippus, Marsyas and Olympus, Minos and Atymnius, Minos and Ganymede, Minos and Miletus, Minos and Theseus, Nisus and Euryalus, Orestes and Pylades, Orpheus and the Thracians, Orpheus and Kalais, Pan and Daphnis, Paris and Antheus, Polyphemus and Silenus, Poseidon and Nerites, Poseidon and Pelops, Polyeidos and Glaucus, Rhadamanthus and Talos, Sarpedon and Atymnius, Sarpedon and Miletus, Silvanus and Cyparissus, Thamyris and Hyacinth, Theseus and Pirithous, Zephyrus and Cyparissus, Zephyrus and Hyacinth, Zeus and Aëtos, Zeus (Artemis) and Callisto, Zeus and Euphorion, Zeus and Ganymede.
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LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 12:56:50 AM No.509348622
>>509348279
>Hephaestus and Peleus

oh really? cite something.
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LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 12:58:17 AM No.509348719
>we found an ancient gay pedo porn stash...

may I see it? quite the reach you're making.
LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 12:59:55 AM No.509348856
>according to uh... uh... uh...

whom?
Anonymous ID: 2QNfRVWVUnited States
7/3/2025, 1:02:14 AM No.509349034
>>509344267 (OP)
This shit is just a endless cycle of sexual abuse. It's guys thinking it happened to me so I'll do it myself. It's not any better than circumcision today.
Anonymous ID: QytqmtuPIsrael
7/3/2025, 1:03:18 AM No.509349124
>>509344267 (OP)

Because it feels good.
LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:05:14 AM No.509349282
>>509348279
>Hesperus and Hymenaeus

cite a source. who came up with this story?
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Anonymous ID: byhOWCXP
7/3/2025, 1:07:09 AM No.509349414
>>509344267 (OP)

Pagans in Northern Europe drowned homosexuals in bogs. Roman crucified homosexuals. You're believing jewish revisionism.
Anonymous ID: EwRuB0sUAustralia
7/3/2025, 1:07:11 AM No.509349416
>>509348622
CLEMENS ROMANUS et CLEMENTINA, Homiliae
>And not to spend the time in an endless exposition, you will find numerous unions with Jupiter of all the gods. But senseless men call these doings of the gods adulteries ; even of those gods who did not refrain from the abuse of males as disgraceful, but who practised even this as seemly. For instance, Jupiter himself was in love with Ganymede ; Poseidon with Pelops ; Apollo with Cinyras, Zacyinthus, Hyacinthus, Phorbas, Hylas, Admetus, Cyparissus, Amyclas, Troilus, Branchus the Tymnaean, Parus the Potnian, Orpheus; Dionysus with Laonis, Ampelus, Hymenaeus, Hermaphrodites, Achilles ; Asclepius with Hippolytus, and Hephaestus with Peleus ; Pan with Daphnis ; Hermes with Perseus, Chrysas, Theseus, Odrysus ; Hercules with Abderus, Dryops, Jocastus, Philoctetes, Hylas, Polyphemus, Haemon, Chonus, Eurystheus.
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LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:07:13 AM No.509349420
One wonders how all the furry Anubis-porn produced in the last ten years will be viewed by future historians
Anonymous ID: byhOWCXP
7/3/2025, 1:09:30 AM No.509349590
>>509344267 (OP)

Inb4 "Plato" wrote about pederasty. The oldest manuscripts we have from antiquity date to the renaissance (ancient papyrus's would have been eaten by worms or turned to dust). jews owned all the printing presses in antiquity. They infused whatever they wanted into the works.
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LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:09:35 AM No.509349597
>>509349416
>Clement of Rome (Latin: Clemens Romanus; Ancient Greek: Κλήμης Ῥώμης, romanized: Klēmēs Rōmēs; died c.100), also known as Pope Clement I, was the Bishop of Rome in the late first century. He is considered to be the first of the Apostolic Fathers of the Church

... and why should Clement of Rome be considered as an authority on the Greeks? Clearly he had a bias.
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Anonymous ID: EwRuB0sUAustralia
7/3/2025, 1:09:48 AM No.509349616
>>509349282
Maurus Servius Honoratus, Commentary on the Eclogues of Vergil:
>[30] tibi deserit h. oetam Oeta mons Thessaliae, in quo Her- cules exustus est volens, postquam se exuere non potuit tunica, Nessi centauri cruore tincta, et post in caelum receptus est. de hoc monte stellae videntur occidere, sicut de Ida nasci, ut "iamque iugis summae surgebat lucifer Idae". et hoc dicit: 'tibi', id est propter te, nox advenit. in eodem monte Hesperus coli dicitur, qui Hymenaeum, speciosum puerum, amasse dicitur: qui Hymenaeus fertur in nuptiis Ariadnes et Liberi patris vocem perdidisse cantando: ex cuius nomine nuptiae dictae sunt.

English translation by Google translate:
>[30] Oeta, the mountain of Thessaly, on which Hercules was burnt to death after he could not take off his tunic, stained with the blood of the centaur Nessus, and was afterwards received into heaven. From this mountain the stars seem to set, as they are born from Ida, as "now the lucifer of Ida rose from the highest heights". And this he says: 'for you', that is, because of you, night has come. On the same mountain Hesperus is said to be worshipped, who is said to have loved Hymenaeus, a beautiful boy: who Hymenaeus is said to have lost his voice singing at the wedding of Ariadne and his father Liber: from whose name the wedding was named.
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Anonymous ID: JHjg4Q85United States
7/3/2025, 1:10:38 AM No.509349671
>>509344267 (OP)
in rome because lead plumbing pipes made sexy femboys
LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:10:45 AM No.509349680
>>509349616
A commentator from the 4th century. Also not a direct or even reputable source on the sexual habits of Greek Gods.
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Anonymous ID: JHjg4Q85United States
7/3/2025, 1:11:19 AM No.509349724
sexy but very crazy femboys from lead poisoning
LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:13:22 AM No.509349875
>>509349616
The commentary on Virgil's Aeneid—In Vergilii Aeneidem Commentarii, In Aeneida, Commentarii in Vergilii Aeneidem, In Vergilii Aeneidos Libros I–III Commentarii, or Ad Aen.—survives in two distinct manuscript traditions.

The first is a comparatively short commentary, attributed to Servius in the superscription in the manuscripts and by other internal evidence. The second class derive from the 10th and 11th centuries, embed the same text in a much expanded commentary. The copious additions are in contrasting style to the original; none of these manuscripts bears Servius' name, and the commentary is known traditionally as Servius auctus or Servius Danielis, from Pierre Daniel who first published it in 1600.
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LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:16:01 AM No.509350048
The scandals attributed to the Greek Gods, by much later generations, frequently Christian commentators, are always suspect, especially when misused to support a pederast agenda.
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Anonymous ID: EwRuB0sUAustralia
7/3/2025, 1:16:12 AM No.509350061
>>509349590
Homosexuality is proscribed in the Jewish religion, I'm not aware of a single medieval Jewish text which is supportive of homosexuality. The exact opposite is true, medieval scribes and printers were wont to remove references to homosexuality from ancient texts.

>>509349597
>... and why should Clement of Rome be considered as an authority on the Greeks?
Because he's a writer from the 1st century who would have had access to writings and oral traditions which are now lost to us.

>>509349680
>A commentator from the 4th century.
Pagan gods were still being worshiped around this time, and again, they would have had access to writings and oral traditions which are lost to us.

>Also not a direct or even reputable source on the sexual habits of Greek Gods.
You're just going to respond this way to every single source which doesn't conform to your christcuck morality.

>>509349875
Yes, this is basically true of every ancient text. This is what the study of history is.
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Anonymous ID: EwRuB0sUAustralia
7/3/2025, 1:16:55 AM No.509350104
>>509350048
There are plenty of pagan sources on gods participating in homosexual relations.
Anonymous ID: NgEd3nJDUnited States
7/3/2025, 1:17:25 AM No.509350137
>>509344267 (OP)
I have wondered this often myself. I'm a survivor of man on boy sexual violence, although I cannot call what happened to me pederasty. I wasn't groomed; I was violently raped.

I believe the social paradigm in large part has taken a very long time to develop an established theory of mind. That is to say that concepts of other people's internal life have not been (and are still not) effectively a part of the language, lexicon, and nomenclature. To the extent that such concepts are, they are unrealistic by virtue of idealization, pathologization, or outright identification with madness.

The most obvious example I have for this claim is the phenomenon of "shell shock" in United States veterans following WWI. You can see what this looked like in real time in the first video in this link: https://nitter.net/historigins/status/1937154453767065922

A generalized concept of trauma survivorship had yet to be developed at that time. There was no PTSD. There were considerable swaths of society who rejected these veterans outright. They were vilified and harassed in some cases. They were cast as whiny babies seeking attention. General George Patton famously assaulted a man suffering from shell shock, telling him to get over it.

They were treated in a similar way to how women were treated then when they exhibited hypersexuality, mania, or psychotic behaviors. They were called hysterical and histrionic and in large part they were lobotomized. The same was the fate for many shell shocked veterans. They were lobotomized, had their brain hemispheres amputated from each other with psychosurgery.

That goes back to Freud. Freud in his early career met with a number of hysterical, unstable young women who described to him being repeatedly groomed and raped as children in incestual relationships. Most of these girls were married off young then began acting insane and abusive toward their husbands. This is what Freud recorded in his early career.

More coming
LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:17:57 AM No.509350180
>>509350061
I know something that you do not.

The Cosmic Law is Seventeen. Always has been, and it applies to Gods as well as Mortals.

--He who convicted Zeus of Rape
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7/3/2025, 1:18:20 AM No.509350210
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>>509344267 (OP)
christcuck historical revionism. in a hundred years from now they will be calling christianity a pedophile religion. remember what they say about who erites history?
Anonymous ID: EwRuB0sUAustralia
7/3/2025, 1:19:37 AM No.509350285
>>509350048
>In the Saturnalia of Macrobius, Servius appears as one of the interlocutors; allusions in that work and a letter from Symmachus to Servius indicate that he was not a convert to Christianity.
Anonymous ID: ax3JHCRtUnited States
7/3/2025, 1:20:33 AM No.509350351
>>509344625
Well if there one thing I know, it’s that things that are considered sins definitely aren’t common, no way a majority of people have homo lust, it’s very rare forsure…
Anonymous ID: ax3JHCRtUnited States
7/3/2025, 1:23:07 AM No.509350517
>>509345450
Lucifer please leave me alone
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7/3/2025, 1:27:20 AM No.509350808
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>>509350517
Do as thou wilt.
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Anonymous ID: ax3JHCRtUnited States
7/3/2025, 1:28:21 AM No.509350878
>>509350808
I’ve been haunted by 17 for some time now, when will it stop?
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LUCIFER !!P38zFLDUYUhID: y+rNdzeC
7/3/2025, 1:30:38 AM No.509351019
WHAT DOES THE NUMBER MEAN
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>>509350878
... when it comes to being haunted by numbers...

you just have to get over it. all of the numbers are infinite