Thread 509353936

Why do construction wagies prefer these over regular bits? Do they really think thinner = stronger?

>>509353936 (OP)
Kek. These bits weren't breaking enough. Just another example of planned obsolescence and construction wagies will defend it until they die.

phillips is an abomination

>>509353936 (OP)
doesn't really matter. you buy a 20 pack every month for 20 bucks.
>>509354226
robertson master race.

>>509354226
Both Phillips and flat are retarded. Square or star drive are superior for every application.

>>509354449
This dude screws.

>>509354449
America needs a Johnny Appleseed with a Robertson screwdriver that puts in square head screws all over the nation until every contractor uses them.

>>509354263
>Buy them.


Wow, your employer actually supplies drill bits and doesn't expect you to supply half the tools?, weiiiird.

>>509355780
Closest I can do is an Inuit that puts one Robbie one Phillips into the door striker plate

>It's actually annoying as fuck.
>Nobody knows why he discards the screw it comes with and uses a Robbie screw.

>>509353936 (OP)
I get banned every 3 days for a (political) satire thread that the mods don't agree with. I wish you well.

>>509353936 (OP)
they are designed specifically for impact drivers

>>509354226
>>509354263
>>509354449
Fuck all of that, self-drilling hexes in everything and let God sort 'em out.

>>509353936 (OP)
They twist which stops them from camming out and fucking everything up

The narrow part is the flex zone or something

>>509353936 (OP)
>>509354089

Anon I can tell you've never worked in a trade in your life. The bits you posted in your OP are 10/10 and excellent. They do not fail from the metal shaft part failing, they fail from the ends getting rounded off because of retards using them and way over torquing things.. The second bit you posted is shit. It's literally garbage to use ergonomically. In particular the long thin necked bit you posted in the original image is superior to it in nearly every way. It can reach screws the little stubby can't.

The point of a tool is to do what I need it to do, and for almost every single application the bits you originally posted smoke the 2nd one you are claiming is evidence of "they don't build em like they used to." the #1 factor in tool longevity for bits like this is going to be the final heat treatment they receive. The thin shaft part almost never fails it's always the blades of the bit.

All that to say you are a faggot who is larping as a tradie, but I can tell you're not. We can smell an imposter from a mile away.

>>509356292
The one Robbie is 3” long to catch the framing instead of relying on the fucking baby screws in nothing but casing to hold the door up for 20 years.

o wise and powerful tradie anon... i got a serious question for you. i swear i've rounded off more bits due to shitty screws where the head gives before i even get it sunk down than i have overtorquing - do you have any tricks to avoid this?

Torx for construction screws, Spider for lag screws.

The 1in are normally used with a quick release magnetic extender and are useful when you’re taking things apart that are cobbled together with a bunch of various screws. . I personally use Bosch but a bunch of companies make them. The impact rated are good when you’re driving 1000 of the same type of screw. Hardened tips so they don’t cam out as much.

>>509355780
Squareshit is okay compared to slot and Phillips. But compared to torx: less contact area, inferior angle of force application, more likely to cam out, and worst of all, Canadian. There was a brief period when Robertson was good, but he was a fag about IP and then it became obsolete anyway.

>>509358031
you need to use an impact driver. one of the most useful tools ive ever bought

>>509354089
I think part of it is they all started using keyless chucks. Front part of drill got fatter, so you couldn't get the drill into the same places you could before.

>>509358031
For phillips you need to press hard on the screw while you are driving it in. If the screw is too chinesium to be driven with you pushing hard on it, with a good bit with a good drill you need to buy better screws. Also predrill your holes with a small bit.

If you are drilling very hardwoods or etc it can be different and you wouldn't wanna use phillips in the first place.

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If you’re doing projects at home, take the time to drill a pilot hole. You’ll never slip out and you also won’t split whatever wood you’re working with. If you’re doing it professionally get a quality impact driver and learn the amount of pressure you need to put into it to keep it from stripping.

>>509358031
>>509358131
then get some socket adapters and it makes doing mechanic work a million times easier

>>509358131
whats the difference between regular drills and impact? t.retard

>>509358506
The impact driver has a hammer internally that greatly increases the torque it puts on the screw. A conventional drill only has an electric motor that directly transmits its torque to the screw. When you hear a drill go CLICKCLICKCLICK thats an internal hammer that is making the screw much tighter than you can get it with the motor alone.

>>509355780
I like to use the star safety bit screws for everything. Fuck the next guy that moves into my house , he is going to be pissed.

>>509358131
worked with a fulla that used to pronounce it "mill-wow-key
drove me nuts

>>509353936 (OP)
lewd

>>509358559
oh ok, was wondering if that was the only difference or not thank you anon.
I will just purchase impacts then.

>>509358031
You get what you paid for.
Expensive bits just fit better and last longer. Ask a Jew why they can't make cheap bits that fit perfectly.

>>509358663
even the $40 harbor fright impact driver is probably ok now. i use mine so much for working on cars and machines now its mandatory. but my milwaukee is nice

>>509358131
i got one, and i love the thing it's just sometimes you get a bucket of screws where sometimes every 4-5 you'll get one that just will not cooperate unless you are REALLY focusing on driving it in gentle at which point a hammer and nails is less of a pain
>>509358333
i usually go for t25 because i rounded out so many philips screws as a kid taking shit apart, pre drilling would help with even the worst of the chinesium screws i've used

alright another question for actual tradies, or maybe it's just real life imposters i see using the things, what is up with those shitty multi tool things? i have tried using them and haven't managed to do anything with one a razor knife of a big flat headed screwdriver wouldn't accomplish with less mess

>>509353936 (OP)
>wagies
Sorry, I don't speak Hindi. Can you translate "wagies" into English?

>>509358663
Well hold up there, sometimes a regular drill can be better, especially if you are trying to avoid tightening something too much. That's why typically drills have the numbers on them where you can spin the disk and select how tight you want it to get.

Sometimes if you are working on drywall or plastic you might want to set your drill torque really low. Impacts are terrible for this.

If you are only getting one drill, get an impact driver though.

>>509353936 (OP)
Do you not know what an impact driver is?

>>509358663
In all seriousness you should get a drill that is good at low torque applications and an impact for high torque applications for a well rounded toolbox. Soemtimes your gonna want to put screws into plastic or etc and not go so far you strip out the threads your tapping screw made.

>>509358364
You need to get the stubby ones too, been a few times the long ones didn't allow the impact to fit in there, like brake caliper bolts.
Problem with them though is they don't lock in because there's no groove, so it'll just fall out when you're walking through the yard

Can't find a picture of the Milwaukee stubby but just combine everything here and you'll get the idea

>>509358799
Drywall specific drills are also impacts. They have a built in depth set. You can use picrel on an impact for small drywall jobs. Bigger jobs just go find the proper drywall drill and spare yourself pain.
Even on finer fasteners I use my impact and stop just before the head hits. Last couple turns with a screwdriver and your flyin’.
Impact lives on my tool belt and gets used constantly. Drill lives in the back of the truck until I need to drill a hole.

>>509354682
Kek!

>>509359527
It can be done. I work with plastics a lot and a drill that is torque limited is just excellent once you learn the setting for it. It will never strip your plastic threads.

Thanks for the drywall tip, I actually wonder if that would translate to my plastic work. I'm probably gonna try it.

>>509358572
I avoid fancy Jew screws at all cost. Does gods Philips cam out? Yes. But that is his design. I will take the Philips cross over the torx mark of satan

>>509353936 (OP)
It makes the bit less brittle. The bit twists more at the thinner point, allowing for less strain on the rest of it, making it less likely to snap from torsion stress.

>>509358799
>>509359027
I need something for car maintenance first. Will get normal drive for around the home stuff later.
Good looking out anons, I guess you guys get on the DYI board as well. I should spend more time there.

I always heard buy harbor freight first and if you break it then buy a better quality version of the tool.

>>509359787
Get an impact for car shit, but be careful not to overtorque shit or you WILL regret it, I promise.

>>509359787
normal drill*

>>509359787
The harbor freight advice is 10/10 and it's what I still do.

>>509354226
this. star bit chads coming out on top

>>509358506
it impact it work

>>509354449
If you are stripping screws with a Phillips head you are over torquing your screws and are a fucking idiot.

>>509360074
based redneck chad

>>509358031
Use the clutch. It's there for this exact reason.

>>509359597
There's two types of torque limiting.
Mechanical and electronic.

The electronic is slow and will fuck your shit up even on the lowest settings. It's got to go over the power setting before it will disengage the power and stop the drill entirely, and the drum will still spin a bit. Mine will twist my arm if I keep pulling the trigger to make out shut off

The mechanical works instantly and then let's the drill spin free.

For sensitive stuff I use this DeWalt 12v screwdriver
It's got mechanical torque clutch.
On the 1 setting, it's not enough to install screws for a motherboard. Use 2
On the highest setting or drill mode I've used a 19mm socket to start lawnmowers (needs a full battery).
It uses a 1/4 hex like an impact driver.
I fucking love this thing. It's light too

Note: it is brushed so it will spark. Not good around gas

>>509354449
the star screws are for spics
jew star screws = spics = satan
stop using them you possessed cocksuckers

>>509357107
Fuck off Satan

>>509360248
I got a hitachi electric screwdriver that I use for the same thing. I assume it has a mechanical clutch as well. it's about the same price as that.

>>509353936 (OP)
save on material
save on weight
sell more bits

>>509360164
It's easy to strip phillips if your bit is worn out or you're working with limited space or awkward angle where you can't apply good pressure while driving. Just put in about 200 of them today on a job most went in fine.

>>509353936 (OP)
Longer shaft allows you to apply additional torque. Thinner shaft creates a lower resistance to torsional movement. The bit on the left is superior in every imaginable.

>>509360380
hex screws are fine tho
I always have my hex bits on hand
I never have the right jude star bit on hand, nor do I want to
anything I find the jude star screw in I destroy

>>509357458
Yeah. They are torque limiting bits fucking retards in here

The skinny neck part of the drill bit is important to the design. It acts as a sort of twisting spring so that some of the torque gets "saved". This leads to fewer tips getting stripped. Think of how it is better for a high-rise to sway during an earthquake. A strictly masonry building crumbles, and the whole thing fails.

>>509360385
Haven't seen that before, I'm curious, will it start a lawnmower?

>>509356233
i have my own tools.
i generally use my bosses card for batteries and consumables, or at hit him up to open his wallet every couple of weeks.

>>509360669
I think it would but it would be a stretch for it. It's more for really low torque stuff.

>>509354449
Torq set master race

>>509360380
Pickle fork, vice grips, and self-drilling hexes. Nothing beats the infernal tools.

>>509360446
>It's easy to strip phillips if your bit is worn out
If you are using a worn out bit you are an idiot.
>or you're working with limited space or awkward angle
Get a wrench with a moveable head or get a universal joint. Yes, you can put more torque on a torque bit, but the necessity of doing so is usually some idiot that cant design properly or some idiot that for some reason thinks screws need to be torqued to 80 lb/in and above to function.

>>509360738
Yea same for the one I posted. Battery has to be completely topped up

>>509360639
>It acts as a sort of twisting spring so that some of the torque gets "saved"
Its part of basic torque mathematics. Smaller shaft diameter means less resistance to torsional movement.

>>509357759
Ahhh the force is strong with this ...

>>509360824
lol when you're putting in a shitload of screws you don't have time for a wrench or to check your bit every time. You just keep putting them in until they start stripping then you realize it's time for a new bit.

>>509360849
Yep they might be from the same factory lmao. It's great though it has 21 torque settings and I think it does have a mechanical clutch bc it clicks when it gets to the end. Not like an impact though. At the lowest setting its exactly as you described, couldn't even torque a motherboard screw.

>>509354449
Correct. Philips was designed to cam out so WW2 factory techs wouldn't overtorque during assembly... Then it's impossible to get shit out once it's been in there a while an seizes up.

>>509356480
Clown poster is cancer that's why. Keep in your containment thread, faggot.

>>509361067
Rusty phillips are the worst, but if it really comes down to it, a dremel and metal cutting disk converts it to flathead or bigger phillips.

>>509360248
Why not just use a speed handle? Yeah, drills fuck screws up and have too much torque. The answer isn't a less powerful drill. The answer is a tool that allows you to apply the exact torque you need.

There is some claim that the thinner part helps with torque. Something to do with the thinner part twisting instead of just the whole thing breaking. It probably twists itself apart after some time but I bet it lasts longer than a normal bit

>>509361186
If you just mean a really big precise drill, because it isn't as portable. Its great for some applications as always but its tradeoffs are high.

>>509361067
>so WW2 factory techs wouldn't overtorque during assembly
Correct. The answer is to not be a fucking retard and overtorque them.

>>509361246
Kinda? They make "torque limiting" extensions that only let a certain amount of torque through. You don't want that when taking off fastners, and it's not going to be to any spec when tightning with these bits.

>>509361296
Also correct! Or just make people use torque wrenches which is what they should be doing anyways.

>>509353936 (OP)
The thin ones are more useful in the world of gunsmithing.

>>509353936 (OP)
dafuq does this have to do with politics?

>>509353936 (OP)
Me on the left

>>509358663
They usually sell them in pairs so there is probably a reason for having both

>>509360908
Can you explain a little bit more? I don't have the words, I just know it has a purpose. I half thought I explained it wrong.

>>509361253
No dude. Picrel. Long shaft allows you to put a lot of torque on screws by hand if needed. Handle allows you to turn the screw with the motion of your arm and it's faster than a screwdriver. People dont like them because its "slower" when compared to an electric drill/screwdriver. But when you dont have to drill out and extract 10 stripped screws out of every 100, it absolutely is faster and more precise. And you can use it around gas lines without worrying.

>>509358663
More importantly, an impact driver won't snap your wrist, When a drill hits resistance, the screw; or hole saw usually, will no longer spin, and instead it's your wrist that'll spin. Sometimes really fast and much further than it should ever rotate. Yeah, they give you a handle to attach to help stop that but no one ever bothers to attach the thing. Fancy modern drills have anti-kickback so you won't snap your wrist anymore, it'll make a beep sound and turn off.

>>509361355
For metal on metal you don't really need torque wrenches, you can gauge how much you're stretching the bolt by paying attention to thread pitch and how far you're rotating past flush

what's the difference between a normal drill for drilling holes and inserting/removing screws, and an impact driver that sounds like it can do those exact same things but is somehow sold as a different product

>>509361561
The thinner the diameter and the longer the shaft, the more torque is applied to the end of the shaft. So if you are trying to extract a tough screw, a really long screwdriver is a good tool to have (like above 16 inch). For bits, the longer and thinner the bit, the more torque is applied to the screw head.

>>509361820
Drills apply a constant torque to what you're drilling or screwing. Impact drivers are specifically intended for screws and bolts, and use a spinning weight that slams in to the rotating shaft, generating much much higher peak torque.

If you try working on a rusted bolt/nut, you will find a drill or wrench won't be able to take it off, while an impact instantly removes it, due to the higher peak torque.

Impacts also take a lot less effort to use, because the inertia of the weight does all the work. You still can't rely on impacts to properly torque things, and should use a torque wrench, or manually tighten it.

>>509361464
We need a break from talking about niggers and jews sometimes.


Also, the people that are data-mining get an estimate of how many hourly people are here. Some, obviously. Then also some mechanical engineers who can provide the equation that a car's drive shaft experiences during acceleration, and when it fails.

also i see debate on square vs flat vs phillips vs jewstar head screws in this ITT thread but why nobody has talked about the benefits of hex head screws i think they are neat

>>509362006
They probably aren't used because it's slightly more material vs screws with inset contact points. They also can't be countersunk and sit flush like deck screws.

>>509358874
Yes and they have been around for some time. Before "impact bits" everyone just used the regular bits and they work fine. How does your post explain why thinner = better?

>>509361828
No kidding. Why would there be a torque improvement when the shaft is basically stiff? The longer the screwdriver, I thought, is only useful to make sure you are co-axial with the axis of the screw. You don't want to be crooked.

Why can't we invent a screw that is immune to being stripped?

>>509353936 (OP)
Cordless Impacts are super handy for tons of things, and easier to change out the bit. Im no tradie though.

>>509353936 (OP)
You need longer bits for reach. Especially if you need to get somewhere tight. But that is what the extendo rods are for, so this shit is kinda redundant.

>>509354089
The screw usually strips LONG before the bit snaps. And you shouldn't be over torquing stuff anyway.

>>509357607
I do good diy around my house. I don't pretend to be a construction slave.

>>509362294
robertson (square) and star are pretty impossible to strip or cam out.

>>509354449
not always

>>509362686
what does cam out and countersunk mean

>>509362294
I don't know. But I hate these types in picrel. Torque is a function of distance from the center of rotation and force applied. These dumb things are THINNER near the edge where the rounded part ends, right where you'd want them to be strongest. Makes no sense. Maybe so you don't get scrapped by the edge? I don't know.

this has nothing to do with politics you filthy spic

>>509362750
cam out = when you're putting pressure on a screw and the bit slips out.

countersink = picrel. The top of the screw head is flat with the surface. You drill the main hole then drill a second hole so the head sits flush.

>>509358031
Really take your time when choosing a bit and find one that seats perfectly into the fastener with as little slop as possible, then as you drive the fastener take extra precaution to make sure the tip & driver are perfectly inline with the fastener and firmly screw it, keep in control even if you have to go slower until you really have it down. As you go faster, you'll need more pressure but you'll get a feel for it after some practice.

>>509353936 (OP)
the point of the thin part is so that it breaks before the hex shank that is inside your fucking quick release and requires disassembly to remove.

>>509360164
You sound like you've never done any manual labor in your life.

>>509353936 (OP)
Bits usually break at the tip and not the shank. I watch a lot of Project Farm and that's usually the case.

slave thread

>>509361828
>The thinner the diameter and the longer the shaft, the more torque is applied to the end of the shaft.
No.
It allows for twist which ends up applying LESS force on the screw.
Longer shaft doesn't magically *add* more torque.

>>509361021
Yea, mechanicals click.
I don't trust the electronic clutch

Mechanical is there to save your work peice
Electronic is there to stop you from breaking your wrist

>>509361186
>>509361602
>>509361253
That's kinda outdated
See the text above.

My drill has shattered a car jack (the one that came with it, I had a block under it so it couldn't expand right, and it punched out the back, in had to have the second handle for the drill in there and even that was too much to hold. The back steel shot across the street)
I'm legitimately afraid of my drill, and would never install $500 motherboards with it.

The screwdriver is really gentle, and fast. I'm completely comfortable slamming motherboard screws in with it, it won't even cross thread the sheet metal on 1 or 2.

As for your speed drill, manual labor is sort of out dated and even you're doing 20 screws after lounging it seems like it would be like jumping up and doing Olympic sports or starting a plane from 1920.
Screwdriver goes brrrrrrr click click click click click

>>509361820
Electric Impact drivers are new (mechanical ones you had to hit with a hammer are old tech though)
>You can use them both for both applications, but they'll fuck your shit up in different ways.
>An Impact driver will not cam out a screw, a drill will
>A drill can start a lawnmower, an impact driver will just rattle.
>A drill will give you constant feedback, an impact driver will untill you get to the clicking then it will rape whatever you're working on like a m2a1
>An Impact driver will remove screws that have been seized for 50 years, a drill will strip them out and ruin your entire week

I wanted a drill, got both, but I use the impact driver more than the drill

>>509362218
I use countersunk Allen heads all the time.

>>509353936 (OP)
I assume there's some situation where this shape of bit is going to help you get a better angle with the drill so you screw it in properly

>>509358131
Wrong brand though hyper tough is master race

>>509364548
Ok 50/50 tossup between hex meaning female allen head or external hex bolt head.

>>509353936 (OP)
Every one of those ive broken has been on the head, not the shaft.

That's easy. Having a longer bit makes it easier to drive screws in at weird angles. Having a thinner bit means it can get into deeper sunkholes easily. The bit on the left is actually perfect if you're building chairs, driving in the screws for the stretchers. I'll do a shorter bit in a drill for driving in short screws with no predrill holes.

Milwaukee all the way. It's red. Superior to your stinky Makitas.

>>509364956
You can countersink both of them, I seen it

They also make square sockets, a lot of old shit had square head bolts

my ryobis have never let me down. but i just do car maintenance and putzing around the house. still, fraction of the price of a milwaukee and does the job for me. i like how there are a lot of tools and weird shit they offer that accepts the batteries. i have a carpet cleaner from them that does great in the car and the jump starter works great too
for me. it’s ryobi

>>509353936 (OP)
Oh no, different length tools for different applications. Children should be banned from the internet.
Meme flag retard as well.

>>509354449
i wouldnt want crack heads to strip my shit with the same bit

>>509365382
He's not talking about the length

>>509354449
This is a chink raised in Canada
>>509365426
The beauty of Phillips is that it destroys the screw, not whatever it's screwed into

>>509365144
You can countersink external head bolts, but it requires a gap on the sides, and is rarely used. Think it's only used on large machinery.
>>509366488
Philips sucks ass.

>>509362787
These always take a gorillion tries to screw/unscrew

>>509353936 (OP)
They don't break on the shaft the points get mushed and wear out. Thin is a non-issue

>>509358769
Multi tools are great for initial troubleshooting and simple things when you don't want to carry a full kit. The multi tools with hammers and shit are gimmicky because they're too big and the whole point is portability. There are shit multi tools that will break as soon as you apply and torque or the blades won't hold an edge for shit. But something like a leatherman surge can be pretty useful. It's never going to strip wire or screw something better than the actual tool designed for that task but for simple or one-off things it'll be good enough.

>>509366579
I don't even remember where I saw it

Yea Phillips usually sucks but it has its time and place. The camout is a feature, not a defect. The wrong application of Phillips is the defect.

Another major issue is people not understanding the existence of jis, and trying to use a Phillips on it.

Same for the torx, there's another one that looks like torx but is different. One has 0 degree but placement, the other gives you 20 degrees of wobble room like a fucking swivel socket

>>509358572
>reject the based cross, fellow white
>embrace the jewish machine screw of Satan
I dont think I will.

>>509363633
Yes, a longer screwdriver does allow for more torque
https://www.wrenchandscrewdriver.com/does-a-longer-screwdriver-have-more-torque/

>>509367727
You're literally schizophrenic

The Phillips is a + not a cross, literally only kikes are delusional enough to equate the two

A machine screw means the threads, not the head that it uses. I have multiple boxes of Phillips machine screws and I regret buying them

Take your fucking meds

>>509358787
Sounds like Jew propaganda.

>>509367866
>does-a-longer-screwdriver-have-more-torque/
No
A fatter handle will give more torque.
A longer shaft will either no, or will twist providing less torque

>>509362575
please Timmy we all know you dont do shit

go back to protesting about white supremacy

>>509363717
>That's kinda outdated
But it works and it doesn't fuck up screws and once you get a feel for it, you can apply near exact torques with a simple tool. My co-workers have to drill out multiple screws daily. I can go months without stripping a screw head. Putting screws in, yeah use a drill or a mechanical screwdriver on a low torque setting and then apply a final torque. Taking them out, go old school and save yourself some time.

>>509365112
Is it thinner? It's longer but I don't think it's thinner. The left picture is at smaller scale, look at the end that goes in the chuck. Longer means it can flex more, probably easier on the workpiece smoothing out impacts to more steady pressure.

>>509368123
Are you a shitskin?

>>509364749
>hyper tough
Are we deadass? The lesser walmart brand? At least use hart if you're gonna go that route

>>509353936 (OP)
because they are limp wristed bitches these days. I keep driving my screws by hand like actual men do. If a guy is dependent of his luvly powertools I know he is a clueless retard. If your house needs so much screws that you can't do it there are only two reasons: your design is flawed or you are a little bitch, probably both

>>509368264
I am an avatar of The Eternal

>>509358769
You can also use Torx to drive Allen screws. They don't round off the sockets like Allen wrenches do.

>>509367866
AI slop, why is modern web useless shit like this?

>>509358131
Hit a homedepot website glitch back in october and got like $6k worth of a whole bunch of different milwaukee shit for a few hundred. Kept some and sold some. Bretty good tools

>>509368214
We're taking about installing motherboards here.
I've used one of those once I think, it's a liability. I think it came in a mechanicss set.
Maybe if you're installing cabinet handles it would be ok, but you'd be better off with pic related
Yankee screwdriver
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pUTATJpkN5c

>>509368123
>wut timmy gonna do?
watch costa riceans getting RARE'd

>>509368063
That will also increase torque because it increases the distance to the shaft, but a longer screwdriver will enable a greater point of force.

>>509367337
i meant oscilating multitools, leatherman style multitools are great i used to carry one all the time.

>>509362787
>>509367072
just buy a tool you punch with a hammer and it turns, works wonders for jammed phillips screws too, priceless shit if you fiddling with old stuff

>>509368636
Why in the fuck do you need an electric screwdriver for that? How fucking weak are you? Holy fuck, I thought you were talking about working on cars or airplanes or something like that. Jesus, if you can't break a screw on a motherboard with a simple hand screwdriver you are pathetic.

>>509368629
lol, they could have easily denied you but some wagie was just "okay it's not my loss" and approved those, nice hack

>>509368741
That's just not accurate.

The fatter handle will act as a larger gear ratio, but increasing the shaft length will not do shit.

There's a reason you don't see mechanics put 20 feet of extensions on a ratchet.
They will use a breaker bar which is simply a longer handle

>>509368578
The dude put his name and a photo on that web page. You can do a simple web search and find out it's not AI.

>>509353936 (OP)
Some schizo that I keep tabs on on youtube just got an impact 4 minutes ago. I don't wanna live in a simulation anymore

>>509368969
We're talking about putting the screws IN, you illiterate imbecile.
Also there's like 20 of them and we're all already suffering from carpel tunnel.

We don't use these things because the screwing is difficult, we use them because the repetitive labor is annoying and it's not the 11th century.
I can screw this shit in with absolute precision in 1 second, or I can fuck around with a screwdriver for 20 seconds per screw

>>509369070
My UPS tracking number said that it was intercepted and sent back but the driver didn't give a fuck either. I went out and brought in all the shit off the truck myself to sweeten the deal for him

Woodworker here. I have a few of those around and so far they have not failed me in years. Those are made for impact drivers.

>>509369136
I too can put my name and my photo on a AI slop web page, and thing is with shit like thispersondoesnotexist existing it doesn't even have to be real and you have no way of knowing

if that is actual real human writing it's even worse and also sad. Centuries old trade manuals are like masterpieces of literary and artistry and in the "more advanced" modern era we are supposed to be feed utter shit slop like this...

>>509369073
Look faggot, I work on motherfucking airplanes. Not only can you go to the Wikipedia page on torque and Look up the formulas there, but I can personally tell you if you need to break a screw and the head is failing, get a longer screwdriver, you put more force on the screw by bearing down with the longer shaft and you will almost always get them to break without drilling. When you apply more force to the screw, you are able to actually transfer the torsional energy to the screw itself and the torque increases. I'm not going to continue arguing with your stupid jeet ass that needs an electric drill to remove motherboard screws. You are both physically and mentally weak.

>>509369148
he looks like a r*dditor

>>509368742
>Multi tool
I'm not following the conversation, but that's just kike marketing mumbojumbo

The tool is called an oscillating tool.
It's got a long history for cast removal because it won't cut flesh.
It's really useful for plunge cuts, like installing a light switch.

The marketing will lead to disappointment, but you need to remember it's a precision instrument.
Like a Dremel vs an angle grinder
The thing isnt a sawzall. You use this when you give a shit about the final appearance.

The sanding attachments and God knows what else are probably a meme, but if it's the only thing that will fit into a corner then god bless it

Good thread

>>509369298
Nice, always fun to hear stories about megacorps getting shafted.

>>509369465
If you work on airplanes then you'd know not to use chime tools.
Your a chud larper

>>509353936 (OP)
the longer thinner ones end up being more useful imho. Because of weird corners and stuff.

>>509369297
>Also there's like 20 of them and we're all already suffering from carpel tunnel.
I seriously hope you are trolling me right now. If not, you are a fucking waste of a human. 20 motherboard screws is too much physical labor for you?

>>509369465
literally just buy the punchable screwdriver, that shit just works for things like that and doesn't need batteries or shit

>>509369465
You're clinically retarded.
Nothing you said is correct. The screwdriver acting as a spring is not increasing torque
Kys

>>509353936 (OP)
It depends what you're doing
long ones have applications
I like the short ones in a old style chuck
but the real question is the steel alloy they use
cheap bits are shit and slide all the time
I just want my t25 or t35 for everything but phillips is standard

>>509357607
Nigger are you telling me you put the short stubby bit directly into the impact chuck? Get an apex for fucks sake. The tips are like 50 for 10 dollars. Change them out as needed.

>>509369705
It's too much time, dipshit

>>509358506
>whats the difference between regular drills and impact?
Impact drives into the metal head of the screw and *can* have less chance of stripping the screw out if done correctly.

>>509369796
I seriously hope by "punchable" screwdriver you dont mean impact screwdriver.

>>509354449
There's nothing wrong with philips nigger I'm tired of buying all of these stupid fucking bits and sockets.

>>509369705
it really is for the modern bitches, they are waste of oxygen really. They can't use a tool so of course it's the tool's fault, it's "outdated" and other excuses.

Give sometimes a youngster a shovel and tell him to dig a small hole and be horrified.

>>509354449
Not to be pedantic but if flatheads are frequently used in marine where standing saltwater in either of those you mentioned could cause corrosion in any screw mounted at even a slight upward angle. Also, they’re all fine if you’re not a retard and think about application and torque demand for more than 2 seconds.

>>509370075
I mean the tool you held with your other hand and punch with a hammer with your second hand. It has never failed me, If a slotted or phillips screw is tight it really is the only option that doesn't end up destroying your shit.

>>509368742
I see those most often with drywall crews but only ever to cut and maybe chip/grind. Never seen one used for sanding.
They're definitely useful and more delicate than a saws all but they tend to wear out faster

I sure as fuck do hope fuckers remember to drill a fucking pilot hole for small wood pieces before driving a 1/4" wide screw through a 2x4 for some random ass reason

>>509370129
I thought boat makers would use stainless and friends type steel (galvanized) for applications like that. Costs like insignificant amount of more.

>>509370218
why, do you drill a "pilot hole" (pilot is the person who flies an aeroplane) before entering a woman's pussy too?

>>509370210
(Friendly feedback, the word would be hit. You hit with a hammer, not punch. A punch would be like hitting with your fist, or a tool used to make holes like a paper punch)

>>509370463
Oh I see, thanks.

>>509369148
that's an impact wrench with an square drive anvil for accepting sockets, not an impact driver with a 1/4" hex bit chuck

>>509370077
this, just make it a fucking line and be done with it

>>509353936 (OP)
quick reminder

>>509370455
Idk why you're talking about pussy

The pilot hole is because the wood will crack or split, because the material displaced by the hole has nowhere else to go. So you still a hole first to remove material

>>509370505
You're welcome

>>509370455
yeah you gotta give it the pilot finger, to see how much you need to spit on your cock

>>509370616
I asked a question and you didn't answer. Do you drill a "pilot hole" before entering a woman's pussy?

>>509357607
>outing yourself as a peasant wagie
nigga I don’t care how you do it, just fix my chair and I’ll donate you 0.0001 of my bitcoins

>>509367264
>Buying less metal for the same price, maybe more, is a non-issue.

>>509370519
Both impact wrenches and impact drivers are peak white man tools though.

>>509353936 (OP)
>PH
Take the PZ pill

>>509371077
see
>>509370582
and be enlightened, simple as

>>509369465
>go to the Wikipedia page on torque and Look up the formulas there
Torque is just force * distance. A breaker bar works because it is a longer moment arm, the direction of the force is perpendicular to the axis of rotation. A longer screwdriver does nothing to increase torque because you're increasing the length along the axis of rotation, not perpendicular to it. The anon who said that a fatter handle could produce more torque was correct.

>>509364956
>Ok 50/50 tossup between hex meaning female allen head or external hex bolt head.
We would call those socket head cap screws vs hex head cap screws

>>509370878
No, you drill a pilot hole into wood so you don't split it open like a pussy
Plot twist wood is slang for an erection

>>509371245
swallow the T-handle pill

>>509370077
Only the fact that its a really weak connection at the head because it's angled inside, like how the Phillips bit (male) is angled. Whereas square drive isn't. So it's much more secure.

>>509353936 (OP)
normally refuse to reply to flaggots, but the longer shank is easier/faster/better clearance. Also on cheaper chink-bits, the longer will break faster and easier than stripping out the screw of the stout bit.

>>509369136
>The dude put his name and a photo on that web page. You can do a simple web search and find out it's not AI.
I saw one of these AI slop sites that was discussing grade 8 bolts and in the middle was a paragraph about how grade 8 is a pivotal moment in children's social and academic development. It had his name and picture on it. He did not get my business.

>>509358303
/thread

>>509369136
Look at the website.
One of the questions thinks it's talking about cars.
> How do I make my torque higher?
>A turbocharger or supercharger is an effective modification that can significantly increase torque. Forced induction forces air into your engine, increasing the power the engine provides. Depending on the torque curve you prefer, a turbocharger will need time to spool before it provides torque benefits.
right in the middle of the screwdriver Q&A

>>509354226
literally only seb phillips which are designed to cam out because sebs are retards are abominations. actual non-camming phillips rock cock.

>>509357607
BASED BASED BASED
>T. Sparkie

>>509358303
>>509371562
No, a Jacobs cuck wouldn't allow the big to fit anywhere else where that bit would aid a keyless chuck to fut.

You're mistaken narrow bits with flex bits, look at the head, it's wider than the flex shaft

Now read the fucking thread, it helps absorb impacts, it has nothing to do with fitting anywhere smaller

>>509362747
immaculate

>>509371621
LMAO
I really hope this tard doesn't actually work on airplanes

>>509371621
https://www.wrenchandscrewdriver.com/is-nebbiolo-the-same-as-sangiovese/
>Nebbiolo and Sangiovese are two completely different grape varietals. Nebbiolo is native to the Piedmont region of Italy, while Sangiovese is native to Tuscany. Although both grapes are used to make red wine, they produce very different types of wine. Nebbiolo wines are typically high in acidity and tannins, while Sangiovese wines are typically more fruit-forward and approachable.

>>509353936 (OP)
Cargo cult for construction workers

>>509371483
same vibes with the linked AI slop, it's about screwdrivers and then suddenly:

>How do I make my torque higher?

>A turbocharger or supercharger is an >effective modification that can >significantly increase torque. Forced >induction forces air into your engine, >increasing the power the engine >provides. Depending on the torque >curve you prefer, a turbocharger will >need time to spool before it provides >torque benefits.

>>509353936 (OP)
I work in water damage mitigation. Sometimes longer/skinnier bits make it a little easier for me to get to screws that are in weird/cramped places when I am tearing your house apart and don't feel like getting up and walking 10 feet to get an extender.

Honestly though outside of a phillips snagged from some shitty Husky screwdriver I have never broken a bit. Both of those types work fine, even when they get torqued to fuck and back.

>>509353936 (OP)
Literally Jew shit. There's a reason French is standard in worldwide cooking. Yet shit like this will go on forever. We can never standardize anything anymore. It will be racist or colonial or whatever. World's over.

>>509358506
It's basically magic. It makes the bit much less likely to come of of the head of the screw because it is a series of impulses of torque - between which the bit can slide back to be fully engaged. It also puts less reaction into you - you feel it as a vibration - the torque pulse is filtered by the mass of the tool. I thought those things were a meme, but they are great.

>>509360385
>>509360248
I'm an electrician so this makes me happily justify pulling out my $100 screwdriver to put in a $0.25 cover plate

>>509372354
What specifically names you happy?

Also that says $25
It's a neat tool, I just couldn't get into the gyroscope thing

>>509358303
>keyless chucks
yep, that'll do it. i formerly used chucks as well.

>>509372604
Charging $70-90/hr

>>509372865
It's an 8v battery, it costs a fraction of a cent

>>509372926
Kek you win