It's one thing to "believe" that God exists, but how do you honestly conclude that he isn't an infinitely twisted sickfuck if you do?

And HOW IN THE FUCK do you actually WORSHIP such a creature, beyond just believing that he exists and dictates everything in the first place??

>>509409974 (OP)
>if god real why I have bad day :(

>>509409974 (OP)
its all animal cope

>made it as awful as possible

we are literally emerging from animal life eating each other, and we progress with knowledge and self awareness, we humans are literally the link, the ones in charge to look over this world and soothe its aches

the only awful thing here is you and your perspective, how can you be so selfish and repugnant, to claim this world is the most awful possible

>>509409974 (OP)
>waaaahhh why doesn't god keep holding my hand so I don't fall down and hurt myself and why doesn't he brainrape everyone so no one can do bad things
But I guess you also would hate living in a nanny state.

atheists reveal their inner awfulness and project it outwards

>>509409974 (OP)

>I am a Jealous and Vengeful God
>Orders the complete destruction of the Canaanites
>Eye for an Eye
>"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."
The Jewish God is unfathomably based. The fact that pink skins have corrupted the Old and New Testament over the centuries with their quasi-hippie beliefs will not deter away from the fact that I worship a God who will some day destroy all of you for your wickedness.

>>509409974 (OP)
You need to rein in the emotion. The world's ills aren't all that bad. They're temporary and human life isn't all that long. In fact, your perception of hardship and evil is causing you far more distress than anything else. Whether there's a god or not, you are choosing to perceive things in a way that upsets you.

>>509410335
>we are literally emerging from animal life eating each other
>how can you claim the world is the most awful possible

Pick one

>>509409974 (OP)
The world didn't always suck. I've lived through tens of thousands of years of wonderful reality and humanity. It started sucking for the past several thousand years as we recovered from the destruction of Atlantis. People still haven't bothered to rediscover their soul consciousness or spirituality, so in their broken state they create a broken reality as a reflection of their internal pain.

For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

God made it paradise and women made it awful.

>>509409974 (OP)
I take it all like a big boy

>>509409974 (OP)
Why are you blaming God for the actions for those that don't believe in Him?

>>509409974 (OP)
the human experience is quite literally a giant humiliation ritual

>>509410458
>we are literally emerging from animal life eating each other

animals dont eat each other all the time, in fact its a small part of life, most animals are happy migrating, flying, fucking, yeah they might be hyper vigilant at times

and when you get eaten, you suffer for a while and then you die, thats it

its not that bad, dont be such a fucking faggot

>>509409974 (OP)
>God
>he

>>509410813
Thanks for confirming flat Earth posters are psyops

>>509410458
>>509410773
and we can clearly see the mechanism of reality is DESIGNED to move out of violence and needless suffering

your own selfawareness and faggotry is prove God is good and is constantly creating annoying crybaby faggots demanding more and more comfort and less and less suffering

the end of evolution will be heaven basically, the world is designed to eventually become heaven and we are part of that design

>>509410380
Yes, why doesn't he? No but like, consider every social video game.
You can have all the fun of adventure and whatever without any of the pain or the cancer or the hours of sitting on the toilet shitting.

>NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
Why not? Why do we NEED to shit, or sleep, or do any of that gay shit if God is actually all powerful and all knowing?
I mean he seems fucking retarded and the universe seems like failed garbage made by a faggot.
Are you really suggesting God is a fucking retarded faggot? You'll end up in Hell.

>>509410335
>we are literally emerging from animal life eating each other, and we progress with knowledge and self awareness, we humans are literally the link, the ones in charge to look over this world and soothe its aches
Humans are far worse than animals though and have caused an infinite amount of horror more than any animal

Literally any of my chickens are a better mother than 99% of women I'll ever meet in my life. The average American woman breastfeeds for 3 days before giving up and feeding her baby corn syrup. My hens fight foxes to protect their young. There's just no comparison

>>509410578
God made women

>>509409974 (OP)
You don’t even have a justified sense of good and evil without God. Scurry on

>>509410121
>>if god real why I have bad day :(
>if god real why I no win lotto :(
>if god real why I have pay church :(
>if god real why I have pay taxes :(
>if god real why I have no get girlfriend :(
>if god real why I incel :(
>if god real why I so dumb :(

>>509409974 (OP)
Life has to be suffering for the soul to harden and steel.
Imagine a life with no suffering, and you can live as long as you want. What would be the meaning? In the end, people would commit mass suicide and the human race would end.

Now imagine a world where nothing at all exists, if god decided "Nah, I don't want them to suffer" That would suck to because well, you wouldn't exist.

Now imagine our current world, you can experience it all, happiness, suffering, dread, love, fear etc. But all these struggles, all these horrors but also all the good experience create a soul that is worthy of God.

>>509409974 (OP)
>God made the world
Wrong

>>509410408
The King James is even better. The writers conceptualized their deity as being both responsible for the good and evil things, so they tended to blame themselves for the shit they pulled. Then the Babylonians smoked them and took a bunch of them into captivity. While there, they learned about the opposer deity from the Zoroastrians, and when they went back to rebuild, rewrote their books to include this novel concept. Joshua, Judges, Kings, Exodus, Genesis... no book went unedited. And you can still see the older versions they didn't manage to erase littered everywhere. Did God make David order the census that pissed God off? Or was it Satan that ordered that census? (Compare 2 Samuel 24:1 with 1 Chronicles 21:1.)

>>509409974 (OP)
I wonder if God ever regrets giving us free will. I also wonder why he doesn't just personally destroy Satan and his army. It feels like he must love them more than us because he has to see we are incapable of doing it on our own.

>>509409974 (OP)
He's just testing you before you go to heaven bro.

Just turn the other cheek and be poor bro, trust the plan :)

>>509411210
>Imagine a life with no suffering, and you can live as long as you want. What would be the meaning? In the end, people would commit mass suicide and the human race would end.
you mean like what Heaven is going to be?

>>509409974 (OP)
>OT God smites evil
>NT God says ignore it
Which is it, Christcucks?

>>509409974 (OP)
If god isn’t real then why do I have a big penis?

God is real and he is the most sadistic being in all of existence.
Pure evil.

Lucky is the only thing that can save you.

>>509411556
Smite evil when it threatens israel, ignore it when it is israel

>As awful as possible
Humans routinely dream up far worse worlds.

>>509409974 (OP)
It's simple. I just close my eyes and imagine he is the only bastard in The Omniverse having a good day.

>All these retards viciously the entity that created Jews

Never trust a Christian.

>>509411054
>that image
Indians aren't human.

>>509411278
Fuck off back to X dumb fuckin bitch
Abraxas chicken man snake leg is quite possibly the most retarded shit I've ever heard you retards shit out of your brain

Why can't I ask God to destroy my soul? Why do I have to go to hell if I kill myself?

>>509411873
You can ask God for anything. Doesn't mean you'll get it.
Because you are created by Him. To take your own life is to separate from His plan. You have no right to be with God. It is a privilege

>>509411863
Post flag, kike

>>509411777
7 Clouds for 7 figures. Hahahaha!
https://youtu.be/aFgxMI_sO3M

>>509410760
Answer it OP, you cum guzzling nigger

>>509411429

Blessed be the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob David, and Solomon.
He comes, anon. And He brings with Him, the full fury of His might.

>>509409974 (OP)

The world was created in a different state. Eating from the tree sent the creation on a different course. All suffering and death is from that moment.
There was no death or suffering until Adam made his decision.

Now we wait for the return of the king to send death and suffering into the lake of fire to defeat them forever.

>>509412100
>>509411977
you fucks are going to be fooled by the antichrist so hard, its not going to even be funny, just sad

>>509412057
Yahweh? That guy? He choked to death on baby foreskins. You get to deal with the other god instead. He don't like jews all that much desu with you senpai

>>509412017
Look simpleton
I don't care for you anonymous opinion, and I am a follower of Jesus
Because you can do little for yourself doesn't mean I shouldn't help others

>>509412289
You're a kike.

>>509412405
Peepee poopoo rajesh

>>509410884
>confirming flat Earth posters are psyops
its true. The modern version of the meme was created in the 90's by a small group of Canadian mathematicians who specialized in solvability in the field of topology. They created a website to promote this meme as a social experiment. It was later picked up by social theorists who found an interest in sense making on social media. Some programmers use it to train bots because of its unique parameters.

>>509412100

There's also the fact we were created in God's image. To be like God. Not good but like it. God uses good and evil as tools to enact righteousness and judgement and is above both. That's how we were to be. To act on will alone. The only way to do that in the creation due to its nature is to be oblivious to the concept of good and evil. We ate from the tree. We were supposed to learn from experience. Now we know good and evil and hesitate at each decision because we have an imperfect moral compass and are also caught up in it instead of being obliviously above it.

>>509409974 (OP)

Stupid humans fucked it up. Not God. It all started with that demon shit Abraham the snake.

Everything from that fucking desert is a demon.

>>509409974 (OP)
He gave you obstacles to overcome so you could grow into a better person. This is what you do with that gift.
Your pain is self inflicted.

>>509409974 (OP)
>how do you honestly conclude that he isn't an infinitely twisted sickfuck if you do?
Why do you conclude that?

>>509410437

Tell that to an ooga booga dying of a guinea worm infection.

>>509410767
Only for those with an outsized ego.
Also, having humility is not the same as being humiliated. Just don't put yourself above others.
>>509411210
>>509411501
our suffering is often our own doing.
We are too quick to judge others, we are impatient, quick to anger, or too self-indulgent, to harbour hatred of others.
You can't hate other people if you're stuck with them for eternity, so we have to learn not to hate people even when to us, they suck.
So we're here to learn to literally love our enemies, and reap what we so, and then we can be ready for eternal life.

>>509412225
It's literally out of genesis. By eating from the tree Adam invited death and sin into the world and the whole creation fell. They were kicked out of the garden. The earth would produce much of nothing for them. The animals were no longer with them. Eve had to give birth and suffer.

>>509411612
That's loser talk.

>>509411556
We are to leave it to God to smite evil, not to take it upon ourselves to do so.
Simple as,

>>509411444
>Why Jesus don't stop Satan
How much clearer can we make it for you? Fuck you people are dumb!

>>509411054

>>509409974 (OP)
I’m not a slave to a god, that doesn’t exist

>>509412585

>>509409974 (OP)
>Be god
>Do not reveal yourself to the Europeans
>Do not reveal yourself to the Asians
>No, you decide slimy evil sand Jews are your chosen people and you give them instructions on how to subvert and enslave more prosperous empathetic people.

>>509413068
>our suffering is often our own doing.
>that 8 year old with cancer was asking for it

>>509409974 (OP)
<---OP

>>509410121
>>509411140
Writing a smarmy comment to a legit argument doesn't do anything to counter it.

christkikes still in shambles after 2000 years

>>509409974 (OP)
>waah life hard
boo fucking hoo, stop being a crybaby

>>509413859
>smarmy
Someone's been reading their SAT Word of The Day calendar.

>>509410408
Your accursed jewish god doesnt't exist, crossnigger. Fuck your god and fuck you too. Death to all crossniggers.

>>509410121
fpbp

>>509414085
Suck shit crossnigger cunt.

>>509414105

>>509414129
You worship a jewish demon pretending to be the creator. You will burn hell like all christniggers.

>>509414174
>>509414231

>>509414174
Christians are heretics who worship a jewish demon, christians are doomed to hell.

>>509414279

>>509410335
because there are thousands of ways the world can be better, oh but it weren't for the wickedness of men, oh but wait god didn't make evil and can't do much about it, oh wait but he's all knowing and all powerful too...it's just stupid

>>509409974 (OP)
It's not as awful as possible though.
You're evil if you think it is.
The world has, with respect to humans, on average, gotten progressively better and better every century for the past 100,000 years or so.

>>509409974 (OP)
God didn't make the world, Yaldabaoth did

>>509409974 (OP)
God tongues nigger ass that much is certain

>>509414448
>why I have to do chores! }:<

God did not make us pets. God made us in His image, and gave us the power to defeat sin and evil.

>>509414157
>>509414231
what's the matter rabbi shekelstein, mohel best you to the foreskin?

>>509414532
Kill yourself schlomo.

>>509414980

>>509414967
You are the jew, Chaim, not me. Hope you get bombed soon.

>>509410121
If god real why do utter horrors, suffering and unfair circumstances happen to the most vulnerable, good and undeserving, and the worst people walk around, live and prosper? That is where I stick on. Somewhere right now, some kidnapped kid is getting their guts pulled out by some sick fuck, and that's God's loving plan, and a lesson for we the living to learn, while the kid pays the price. lmao, nah

>>509415039
>>509414980

>>509414478
The earth isn't that old. 7000 at best.

>>509411841
Every body of water in my 99% white area looks just like that also. White trash loves littering

>>509411140
Now answer each of those questions.
Why is god asshoe?

>>509415049
The anon you are talking to is jewish, ignore him.

>>509415049
>and that's God's loving plan
No it isn't. God doesn't even will for sinners to perish in the lake of fire, He wills for all to be saved.

>>509414103
I don't see an attempt at a counterargument in this comment, let alone a good one.

>>509410121
>if god real why didn't he tell people about Jesus before colonizers arrived? They all went to hell without ever getting a chance?

>>509415219
>can save all with his omnipotent power
>doesnt
cool god. embrace deism so you dont have to do such retarded mental gymnastics

I've been thinking about this, and often wonder if the rare, few, far in between "miracles" or god's interventions aren't just equiparable to some form of gaslighting.

Let's see Jesus for example. Great lad and all, but
>cure one blind person, not blindlness
>multiplied fish in on occasion, didn't end hunger
>raised one dead guy... for reasons I can only assume was for show and never did that ever again

I often feel like this is what a Godly scammer would do.
Like a casino promotes the few people that actually win when in fact the House is programmed to always win, and the winners are just bait for the unbelievers.

Then it's the completely Jewish form of payment. If you follow god, you get rewards... after you die?

I'm sorry christbros, as much as I can say Jesus was a nice lad and all, this sounds like a simple scam, and your boy Jesus could've gotten scammed himself.

Jesus, you're totally the son of God bro, go out there and do Good
Alright dad, so, I'm getting crucified now, why have you forsaken me?
Trust me, it's all in the plan.

I don't like the plan, I don't trust the planer, and the executioner suffered a lot.
That's another thing, the only promise god has for Christians in this world is suffering and persecution.

Not a good deal.
So the "good" happens, maybe, after you die.
But the bad happens to you without you breaking a sweat, weather you try to follow Christ or not, because that proves God loves us "all the same".
Which in turn make me scared shitless of "God's love", because if this is it, I'm feeling like I'm in an abusive household.
I'm being beaten by my brothers but dad just sits there watching and telling "David, what did I tell you about giving the other cheek?", "Now go and forgive your brother for beating the shit out of you, and you better do it fast because your time in this house is short, and if you don't do it I'll just kick you out into homelesness"... "You know I do this all because I love you right? You made me do this"

>>509413859
>legit argument
OP is arguing in bad faith and you know it. Go tip your fedora on reddit.

>>509415430
>can save all with his omnipotent power
He does. He saves all that come to Him. That is why He sent His only Son, to die for the sins of many.

>>509415442
Exactly.

>>509415046
>no u
thanks for playing

>>509415442
Because 80 years of suffering is nothing compared to eternity with God and Christ in heaven. You still think carnally.

>>509415709
Christnigger cope. You worship a jewish demon.

>>509414048
Extremely old and gay Facebook boomer meme
You're approaching 40, why are you still so fucking lame

>>509415709
>ill only save people who like me
sick god. now tell me why do you believe books written by jews (dont pilpul being like oh they were israelits, caananites, pahrises) 6000+ years ago, retranslated by others thousands of times before it got here? Because it gives you a warm fuzzy?

>>509415788
Enjoy burning in hell with your jewish demon.

>>509415828
Widdle baby gonna poop he diaper for he demon moid? Aww. Should name yalls baby, Goro.

>>509415885
>YELLOW CANT MEAN GOLD THATS NOT A DIRECT TRANSLATION AAAAHHHHHHH
Shut the fuck up and just be a good person by following Christ law. If you don't, you're just a dumb lost heathen with pseudo science brain.

>>509415270
It takes more than a 4chan thread to un-brainwash the cultists
let retards be retards, they themselves live their life while restricting themselves and make it harder, all you can do is point and laugh

>>509415049
>If god real why why bad thing :(
You're literally doing the meme

>>509416059
>no argument presented
nice! enjoy your judaic religion!

>>509415289
>colonizers
Lol OK captain reddit

>>509415885
>ill only save people who like me
No, God saves all who believe on Christ as their Saviour. Saul was a persecutor of Christians, and consequently a hater of Christ until Jesus revealed Himself unto him. When a person is confronted by the truth of the gospel, by the word of God, he either believes and sees God transform him, or he rejects it because he loves the darkness more and goes after more vile degeneracy. There is a choice, and all who head to hell have willed to go there. God grants that will because He does not force anyone.

>>509416078
Psueds claiming the intellectual high ground and then using them high ground as proof itself as justification is peak reddit/nigger brain

>>509415788
I know that, but "eternity with God and Christ in heaven" leads to my fear of exactly that.

"God's love" entails a lot of things I simply disagree with, and God's love is asking you to trust the plan while nails are being driven into your flesh, and God's love celebrates the pain you go through, and God's love is "David, you think too carnally in this house when your brother is beating the shit out of you, either you stop that, or it's an eternity of homelesness for you".

>>509409974 (OP)
The world was once perfect. the woman ruined it and got the Man into trouble
now you see the womans nature
40 years ago 99.999 percent of white women would never get with a black man. today it's the opposite. shit like this. the women are corruptive as shit. cant be trusted

>>509416252
>No, God saves all who believe on Christ as their Saviour
So he wont save you if you dont believe in him as your one and only saviour. sounds like a narcissist shit god. I get that heaven is a convenient idea for you.

>>509416392
>, and God's love celebrates the pain you go through
You may need help

>>509409974 (OP)
Omnipotent and Omnibenevolent are hard to reconcile. Apologists try to establish "dark corners" where human suffering has to be a "necessity" or for the "greater good." But these are cheap tricks, really.

>>509416486
>gods a big meanie :(
What a child you are

>>509415788
A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush

>>509416392
>and God's love is asking you to trust the plan while nails are being driven into your flesh
No, God's love is driving nails into Jesus flesh for our shortcomings of His glory, so that one day I may be once again in His image as He has created me, and of the purpose that He has created me for. God weeps when evil is done on this earth, especially when it is committed using His name.
>>509416486
>So he wont save you if you
don't want to be saved, yes.

>>509409974 (OP)

>>509409974 (OP)
It's time for my penultimate creation... MAN.

I think for building materials I'll use blood, guts, and meat. Man I fucking love meat.

>>509416613
God is real he just isnt one written by desert semites 6,000 years ago. Your arguments are as compelling as anything written in the talmud, the quran, shintoism, animism, ba'haism, jainism, etc. You are obscenely blind to think your god is better than those for what reason again? Because your parents took you to sunday school when your mind was most malleable? God created this plane of existence that we inhabit but he does not care about the goings on of it anymore than you think jesus christ cares that animals are slaughtered. God is found in universal truth and nothing else.

>>509416965
>God is real he just isnt one written by desert semites 6,000 years ago

>God is found in universal truth and nothing else.
Its the same thing

>>509416785
It's not just Jesus.
You are asked to give the other cheek when your brother is beating you, perhap's for your brother's shortcomings?
If putting oneself through that is "god's love" and I get shamed by God for thinking too carnally when I'm being beaten or starved by my brother, then it's a very fucked up love.

>>509417107
If you want to argue all organized religion is different sects all mishandling the idea to excise money from the poor and rich alike well you wont find me disagreeing

>>509411054
Humans didn't do that, jeets did

The chud farm is an infinite combo win condition.

You want to just NOT be racist and stay celibate??? Feel free

>2PBTID

Why are you fucking insufferable faggots so retarded?

>>509409974 (OP)
Are you trying to claim that there’s nothing good in the world? Anyway you’re a part of God too so blame yourself

>>509417192
Loving those that see you as their enemy is love. You love them not because you force yourself, but because you genuinely care, and want them to turn away from their evil ways. Following in the footsteps of Christ is suffering in the hands of sinners, for sinners. Refusing to suffer for sinners in the hands of sinners is egoistic. But I want all people to see the truth and be saved, because I see that the will of God for humanity is so much greater than physical prosperity or material wealth - it is eternal life.

>>509417529
If i could transform into a milf teacher I could infiltrate the enemy from within

>>509416252
>>509416486
Follow our father God and worship him and our father alone. Christ said to follow the divine in all of us. Idol worship is for heretics.

>>509416198
>Addresses argument as a fallacy
>You immediately give up and shit fling like a silverback
Ooh ooh ah ah to you to south African farmer
>Doesn't know Jesus Christ whipped the SHIT out of Jews in the markets and condemned their acts of killing previous prophets
Kek what an unread baboon

>>509410335
A small group of smart people carry a larger group of people that will follow the smart people, and they carry the larger group of idiots.

We reached a behavioral sink where the smart ones are going to be less and less and only idiots will remain

God is blamed because we created the idea that it is the absolute powerful glmr nice guy, clearly it is not

>>509409974 (OP)
The abrahamist conception of the godhead is without a doubt the fakest, gayest and most retarded. Even Scientology canon is more integral and relatable than abrahamic fanfiction and n-hand translations, commentaries and interpretations. Hence abrahamist debtcattle is incapable of parsing three basic questions:
>why would the godhead's conception and perception of creation and its supposed seperation conform to human sensibilities?
>why would the godhead's measure of benelovence conform to human sensibilities?
>why would the godhead be uniquely comprehensible to clergy, but not to their debtcattle?
I do agree that the godhead, regardless of conception is incomprehensible, but it is very much perceptible and experiental and does not require interpreters or manuals. Faith and sprituality shouldn't be conflated with religion.

>>509415049
You're conflating being a good citizen with being a good christian, common mistake

If there is a god

He doesn't care

>>509409974 (OP)
>Made it as aweful as possible
No, humans did that.
Literally what is stopping an entire city population of able bodied men and women on the weekends going out and building full ass homes for free, litearlly everyone could devote just 1 hours of time on the weekend building homes and it would cost them nothing.

But they dont, Humans make it miserable.

GOD LOVE HIS CHILDREEEENYAAHHH

>>509409974 (OP)
I don't know, it all seems like a cope but I also can't help but notice the people that hate god due to all the unnecessary suffering in the world don't really carry themselves in a way that seems worth living either

Faith might be a component that aids us coping with harshness of reality, but what gives you faith and how true it is doesn't seem to matter as long as you believe it

So, if praising a magical white horse that controls the sun with her mind helps you psychologically deal with life, and it's desolate, soul crushing nature. Does it really matter if you guys think I am cringe?

I suppose that's why there's so many religions in the world, and why everyone that believes in them is so attached to them.

Seems a lot of people are unable to be both aware their religion might not be true, yet still allow themselves to feel it is without imposing it on others, it's odd.


People want meaning in their lives, no one wants to feel lost, and being present enough to look at the bizarre and brutal way life, and the nature of existence, is, seems like a disease that quickly deteriorates your will to live.

But why is that? Why is it that'd have evolved or be made to feel such pain at facing life for what it is?
I dont think anyone knows, but I'd also not waste a lot of time trying to move people away from their faith without a strong replacement, the void created by it is very damaging, and it accomplishes little.

>>509415289
Daily reminder to white Christians that the vast majority of your ancestors are in hell being tortured forever.

>>509416149
If your claim is that god is omnibenevolent and omnipotent, which several major world religions do, then that is a perfectly valid question. There's still no good answer to this day and everyone in that camp comes up with elaborate mental gymnastics to explain why the innocent white kid that gets cancer and dies is actually part of some loving plan. Just embrace deism or something that makes sense.

>>509409974 (OP)
If god exists then he is certainly a villain

>>509413194
I said God, not Jesus. He sent his only Son into the world to save us from the Jews because they had turned their backs on him one too many times and became a wicked people full of sin and nothing good. That's why Jesus called them the children of the devil, among other derogatory things.

>>509416149
The question is more
>If god GOOD then why bad thing.
And the answer is: He isn’t.
There is no possibility of a benevolent, omnipotent creator god. I want you to admit that you worship a capricious, arbitrary because for the perks, not because it’s moral. I’m fine with any Christian who admits that fear is the motivation for their religion, and desire to be hooked up to the pleasure machine when they die.

>>509423739
>Sunfag
The true cringe.

jk good post Anon quite insightful, not too different from what I believe. I feel like a lot of the Bible is just an attempt to explain a lot of general human observations of the world in a way ye olde sandniggers could understand.

>ancient perception of the world
>God is the Trinity - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
>All these are separate, yet facets of the same whole

>possible modern equivalent
>All that we consider to be Good and True can be categorized in one of three ways
>The grand force of Creation and Order that existed before us all
>The capacity of living men to imitate the Creator, bestowing kindness and establishing rules of law
>The inherent beauty and structure of all things, living or inanimate, imbued as they all are with the Creator's Laws and designed with the elegance of the Creator's Language

A combination of disputed translations and browbeating from the clergy and upper classes is probably a big source of why nobody can agree on anything beyond a few fundamentals.

>>509409974 (OP)

>>509411863
Gnosticism is the only logical interpretation of christianity because it solves the problem of evil. Your interpretation of christianity is literal slave morality designed to make you a good goy

>>509425925
>the only logical Christian is the one that thinks their own holy book is wrong
Um….

>>509413859
1. Is courage—strength of character—desirable? Then must man be reared in an environment which necessitates grappling with hardships and reacting to disappointments.

2. Is altruism—service of one’s fellows—desirable? Then must life experience provide for encountering situations of social inequality.

3. Is hope—the grandeur of trust—desirable? Then human existence must constantly be confronted with insecurities and recurrent uncertainties.

4. Is faith—the supreme assertion of human thought—desirable? Then must the mind of man find itself in that troublesome predicament where it ever knows less than it can believe.

5. Is the love of truth and the willingness to go wherever it leads, desirable? Then must man grow up in a world where error is present and falsehood always possible.

6. Is idealism—the approaching concept of the divine—desirable? Then must man struggle in an environment of relative goodness and beauty, surroundings stimulative of the irrepressible reach for better things.

7. Is loyalty—devotion to highest duty—desirable? Then must man carry on amid the possibilities of betrayal and desertion. The valor of devotion to duty consists in the implied danger of default.

8. Is unselfishness—the spirit of self-forgetfulness—desirable? Then must mortal man live face to face with the incessant clamoring of an inescapable self for recognition and honor. Man could not dynamically choose the divine life if there were no self-life to forsake. Man could never lay saving hold on righteousness if there were no potential evil to exalt and differentiate the good by contrast.

9. Is pleasure—the satisfaction of happiness—desirable? Then must man live in a world where the alternative of pain and the likelihood of suffering are ever-present experiential possibilities.

>>509422868
>No, humans did that.

NPCs aren't human

>>509410121
Why are christfags so quick to dismiss the suffering of others?

>>509426601
See
>>509426318

>>509410121
fpbp

>>509426318
K i'm not reading all that shit, god is really super evil and tormenting us.

The problem isn't that bad things happens, it's that he uses force to stop good people from causing good things to happen.

>>509426999
Checked
>skill issue

>>509427151
It doesn't matter how much skill or capability you have when you're being held captive by a being who has made your failure a foregone conclusion whether you like it or not. He needs to be removed and replaced with a better god who doesn't hate us so much.

>>509409974 (OP)
Maybe the Terminator is coming?
Wouldn't it be cool to see glow niggers need to fight terminators?

>>509427246
The material self, the ego-entity of human identity, is dependent during the physical life on the continuing function of the material life vehicle, on the continued existence of the unbalanced equilibrium of energies and intellect which, on earth, has been given the name life. But selfhood of survival value, selfhood that can transcend the experience of death, is only evolved by establishing a potential transfer of the seat of the identity of the evolving personality from the transient life vehicle—the material body—to the more enduring and immortal nature of the morontia soul and on beyond to those levels whereon the soul becomes infused with, and eventually attains the status of, spirit reality. This actual transfer from material association to morontia identification is effected by the sincerity, persistence, and steadfastness of the God-seeking decisions of the human creature.

>>509427491

>>509427584
>skill issue

>>509427665
see
>>509427246

>>509427701
I read yours fren. And replied.

>>509427246
A lie from the Garden of Eden.

>>509427781
>experienced observable reality is a lie

You really need to do something about that stockholm syndrome you have, making excuses for someone that won't stop abusing you is unhealthy

>>509428151
TO THE unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternal oblivion and soul extinction. Nameless despair is man’s only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.

But such is not man’s end and eternal destiny; such a vision is but the cry of despair uttered by some wandering soul who has become lost in spiritual darkness, and who bravely struggles on in the face of the mechanistic sophistries of a material philosophy, blinded by the confusion and distortion of a complex learning. And all this doom of darkness and all this destiny of despair are forever dispelled by one brave stretch of faith on the part of the most humble and unlearned of God’s children on earth.

This saving faith has its birth in the human heart when the moral consciousness of man realizes that human values may be translated in mortal experience from the material to the spiritual, from the human to the divine, from time to eternity.

>>509428237
Look I'm just not going to love or respect an abuser. That's all their is to it. When people abuse you it's a simple mater of self respect to fight back.

>>509428237
But why?
Why do all this. Why create the game in the first place?

>>509428701
Because you're born for it!

>>509428701
Why does a sadistic kid like to fry ants with a magnifying glass or pull the legs off a spider? Because he gets off on being able to torment something that can't fight back.

https://urantiapedia.org/en/home

>>509409974 (OP)
>usury
>inflation due to money being printed out of thin air to pay "interest"
The only explanation is the jews.

The Scofield Bible Brainwashed Christians to Worship Israel

https://youtu.be/_f5rHYJKLOc

>>509427491
>>509426318
You could make every single one of your arguments if you lived in a dictatorship as an argument for why the government that is cruel to its citizens is actually wonderful and 'loves' them deeply.

You could also make the exact same arguments as to why a child living with abusive parents should accept their abuse as a sign of 'love'. (This is actually what some people do end up doing btw, as a way to cope)

>>509409974 (OP)
Way I see is it's all original sin. Adam and eve given paradise, told to follow rules, break rules god says fuck off they "fall" and end up creating offspring destined to inherit their sins. It actually makes sense logically, like a newborn who gets fetal alcohol syndrome because the mother was a piece of shit. Is it fair or just? Doesn't matter it's the nature of reality irrespective of all other variables and especially of your opinion.

Guess you can say god is mean or evil or whatever but doesn't really do much, if God was actually real you would have to assume he has a better understanding of reality and cause-effect than we have and that your personal opinion is simply incorrect. You'd also be literally powerless to do a single thing about it, I've never found the "I'm more moral than god" argument to be very compelling case to say he doesn't exist.

>>509429506
Sure but eventually you're supposed to grow up and realize that's a bit fucked up in some way.

>>509426318
Move to North Korea.

>>509431547
Right but god hasn't done that because he keeps doing it

>>509431588
What an asshole huh

>>509411559
Maybe you are black.

>>509409974 (OP)
Religion is more real than reality itself. I can't relate, but this is how people think.

>>509409974 (OP)
God 10000% hates us and jews equally. Which is wild imo

>>509409974 (OP)
>WORSHIP
Different ways I guess. For Jews doing mitzvot are a part of it I think. Maybe Gentiles can do them too, I don't know.

>>509409974 (OP)
if you hate everything that's a you problem.

>>509410335
Easy. Because we are pieces of shit and its obvious we are murderous killers who take and give nothing. God should low key smite humans

>>509410408
That she created*

>>509409974 (OP)
By leaving Plato's cavern, retard. Matter isn't real. Your suffering is voluntary. Wisdom is the only thing that matters.

>>509409974 (OP)
it's a shit test dummy
out there predators are much bigger (and don't even have a biological body to harm)

>>509411777
Checked

>>509409974 (OP)
So what do you propose? Mental slavery where you're incapable of being sad?

>>509409974 (OP)
Belief in God is a combination of schizophrenia and superstition.

>>509412702
Na god fucked up first with lilith then coped with eve fucking up everything even more. Then he created misscarages as a have a good day to adam

>>509425321
The answer is that "bad thing" is your and your own illusions. God never made anyone suffer, you chose to suffer by making materialistic wealth and pleasure your highest value. The man who counts only his own virtue as his greatest prize is never unhappy with his fate.

>>509413087
Yea maybe god shouldnt of fucked up twice with lilith AND eve. Adam was PERFECT and god literally removed his rib making him imperfect thrn fucki g punishes him for eve tricking him after god fucking made her

>>509428941
But why?

>>509432829
So that you can learn how to love truth, becoming good, and discern between virtue and vice. If you don't see how beautiful that is, can't see the value in it, and don't want to make yourself better than you currently are, then that alone is proof that you need to be here in order to learn these lessons. The unexamined life is not worth living, and this life is the proving grounds for successful examination. Any other existence you could have, even if it were painless and "perfect" according to your limited notions, would be worthless and a thing of disgust, because it wouldn't lead you towards wisdom.

>>509432737
okay yeah so that baby deer that was brutally eaten alive, as is a common occurrence in the wild, just chose to suffer. should have been less materialistic you damn fawn

>>509416785
Dude. You realise everyone here was circumsized at birth against our will and had our flesh sacrificed too?

>>509432578
Actually, the disbelief in God is one of the most insane superstitions possible. Superstition is the failure to acknowledge cause and effect. If cause and effect exist and are logical principles that should be followed, then that must mean there's a first cause that predates all of the other causes. That would, by any definition, have to be God. So to reject God is to reject cause and effect entirely, which is to be at the height of superstition.

>>509431457
Wrong adam and lilith were given the garden as perfect beings. Lilith left and god diabled adam and removed his rib and gave him a retqrd named eve. And then kicked them out too

>>509409974 (OP)
>he thinks there's only one valid religion
>doesn't know about theodicy
Did you think this was exclusive to you?

>>509433288
You're a human being, not a deer. You always have the power of discernment. You can always alleviate your suffering by using reason and placing it above sense perceptions like pain and pleasure. But if your refuse to use your higher human faculties, it would be poetic and divine justice for you to be reborn as a deer and eaten alive in order to atone for your negligence towards wisdom.

>>509433113
>Here's a game I made
>Now play it
>If you don't, you are disgusting
>I made you solely for this

>Don't wanna play?
>Cool, burn in hell

Bruh, I just want to be left alone

>>509432165
Ah adam voluntary lost a rib and his perfect status and wife lilith and us hulans get circumsized at birth voluntary. Are you jewish?

>>509410121
heh

>>509433611
That's the problem. You're self centered and consumed by the illusion of selfhood. You think of everything in terms of "I" and "me" and with no regard towards objectivity, selflessness, emptiness, truth or compassion. Until you become a good person who values those things, you have no right to complain because you deserve every ounce of suffering for your selfish nature. It's not God's or Sunyata's or Buddha's fault that samsara is full of suffering. It's your responsibility to move past samsara. No one can do it for you.

>>509433610
We start life with our flesh bei g sacrificed by circimcition then we are forced to join our local cult. Thrn if the cult lies to us after the torture god will also torture us hust forever got it

>>509433801
Why does he have to be a good person if god doesnt? Why did god run off lilith then make adam imperfect then punish him

>>509409974 (OP)
The world is shit because of people like you though. God gave you free will, so do better!

>>509433610
very telling how you just casually brushed aside wild animal suffering.

>>509434030
God is already perfectly good. Stop taking the allegorical tales of the Bible literally. Not only is that stupid, it's heretical according to church doctrine. Literalism is blasphemy.

G-G-G-Go-God is not real because I can't see him so he doesn't exist!

>>509434096
If god was perfect then why did lilith leave and he need to break adams rib to make eve. Why didnt god make the 2 perfect humans the first time and then when he failed how is he still a success?

>>509434059
No, I didn't. I integrated it into karmic justice. Animal souls are former humans being punished for their lack of discernment and hedonistic spiritual sloth.

>>509434193
This is obviously a muslim. Muslim jockey!

>>509434193
Stop taking Biblical tales literally. They're allegories. They aren't historical facts.

>>509434096
>>509434268
>>509434273
Your kike pilpul doesnt work on 4cha. You actually have to debate you dirty kike

>>509434273
Where in thr bible does it say not to listen to what thr bible says. What page

>>509434377
You're a schizophrenic kike, you can't even type out a coherent sentence.

>>509412057
yhwh is a puny cuck pretending he did all the feats his dad made.

>>509433801
Good, and that's my choice
I refuse to play the game, and I will not let them control what the definition of a good person is

May they eternally cope, and seethe as I create my gods, and deny my soul energy from being arasited off by sadistic demons mascarading as warriors of virtue.

I hereby denounce the Talmud, I denounce the bible and the Qu'ran.

Praise the sun

>>509434377
Nice self projection, middle easterner. Care to try again?

>>509434440
Maybe god should break my rib run off my first wife make a retard evil woman named eve to forever curse my family line to misscarage and painfull birth like the great guy he is and all. I have more evidence lilith is the god of this world and hates adam and eve

>>509409974 (OP)
>>509429994
>wakeywakey

>>509416337
you got a better argument Muttus Apeus?

>>509409974 (OP)
you have a woman's sense of personal accountability. are you jewish?

>>509434440
>no u

OP wants to destroy your hope. What kind of person wants his fellow man to be hopeless?

>>509434216
So you believe in some reincarnation doctrine in addition to god being perfectly good and all powerful? If the assertion that all wild animal suffering is due to errors made by former humans, than how do you explain the ones that do not suffer. Say some gorilla tribe that lucks out and lives a pretty peaceful life. Are those people formerly good? How does this exactly scheme work. Does every person that dies reincarnate into an animal? Only the bad ones? Can the bad souls ever redeem themselves or are they stuck forever? etc.

>>509434420
>2 Corinthians 3:6 “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”
>Galatians 4:24 — Paul says that the story of Sarah and Hagar is to be “understood allegorically.”
>Jesus’s parables are designed to veil the truth from those not prepared spiritually, while revealing it to those with ears to hear (Matthew 13:13–15)

Apart from the Bible itself, literally every single Christian scholar from Origen, to Gregory of Nyssa, to Augustine to Erasmus all explicitly state that the Bible must be understood allegorically and never literally, never taken as historical fact. Origen wrote that within 100 years of the Bible itself being written, so this wasn't historical revisionism in any way.

>>509434548
>no u
Your god shpuld give you the ability to form an arguement instead of having to rely on pilpul

>>509434704
A mayo roach

>>509434548
I denounce the talmud the kike on a stick and satan. If god wants my loyalty he needs to earn it like a fuking man like odin

>>509434775
Maybe you should to learn to spell and write a sentence properly. Just because you can't get laid or have a bad day doesn't mean God is not real. Middle easterner

>>509434500
>that's my choice
You're the one who's going to suffer for it, not anyone else. Choosing to be a lazy, self indulgent hedonism out of spite isn't getting back at anyone, nor is it causing anyone pain other than you.

>I will not let them control what the definition of a good person is
The definition is set in stone, always has been and always will be. For eternity. Logic does not change. The rules of geometry don't change. That's what morality is, pure metaphysical logic. It existed before humankind and will exist after humankind.

>May they eternally cope, and seethe as I create my gods
You're the one coping and seething. You aren't creating gods, just delusions. You're hurting yourself and sending yourself into your own private hell realm.

>>509409974 (OP)
Polytheism just makes more sense than monotheism.
>good gods do good things
>bad gods do bad things
>ambiguous gods do both good and bad things

>>509434704
Odin fixes this
Kill your enemies and dont turn another cheek

>>509434874
Odin was nothing more than a homosexual.

>>509426318
>>509428237
>it's actually good when I vote to starve people and strip their healthcare
unreal the mental gymnastics you stupid pieces of shit will go through to justify your garbage belief system
and the way you use needless verbose bullshit language designed to trick retards into thinking you're making an intelligent point
the idea that we're "supposed" to suffer just because the world has suffering is delusional cope, you're like an abused child making excuses for your shitty parents

there is zero actual reason for us not to strive towards a world where we transcend suffering except to excuse evil for personal gain, as I'm sure you do

>>509435002
Elder Scrolls is monotheist. The entire universe takes place in a dream of the Godhead

>>509434732
Ahh but you are taking it literally. Cant do that according to you. It MUST be an alagory or meme maybe just a turn of phraze

All-Loving is a very explicit statement.

All-Loving does not include intentionally making your child suffer for some abstract "lesson" that the overwhelming vast majority of your children will never understand before they die a slow painful desth you inflicted on them.

There is zero justification for the way this world operates for all living beings.
It is completely and totally incompatible with the term "All-Loving" to make a realm like this.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and insisting the status quo is fine guarantees your extinction.
God as proposed by abrahamic faith is pure evil of the highest order possible. Worshipping him is evil.

Ignoring this reality and grasping at your sick faith just to support your cult makes a rotten individual and if there is an afterlife, anyone pushing this interpretation of God will be punished. One way or another.

>>509435007
That's a common misconception that a Christian cannot be violent.

>>509409974 (OP)

>>509434948
How about this. I fuck your mom and your dad while your faggot god forces you to watch and you tell me how he is good

>>509415049
Because of sin in the world. That sin will end after Christ's return and judgment. We don't know why God allowed sin in the world, it's just a mystery we have to accept.

>>509410121
If ever meet someone that uses this argument to my face(never going to happen because Christians are cowards) I am gutting them chest-to-cock and mocking their cries right to their face as they pass out from shock.

>>509435245
Hahaha you are so mad. OH MY SWEET KEKARROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>509435037
Says the 34 year old faggot nailed to a cross childless surrounded by jewish men

>>509409974 (OP)
It's awful because we make it so. Reality is created by consciousness.

>>509435037
Odin would 1000% rape hesus and jesus would turn the other cheek

>>509435245
God allowing evil is not the same as God forcing evil on you

>>509435381
Cope lol. Faggot paigan religion larper. You cant', won't, and ain't going to do shit about it.

>>509435176
An eye for an eye is your code of conduct right? Jesus litterally was nailed to a cross and didnt lift a finger. Not a si gle christian lifted a finger

>>509435437
Odin is a demon so Jesus would just have to speak to cast his faggot ass to hell

>>509434953
>Choosing to be a lazy, self indulgent hedonism out of spite isn't getting back at anyone, nor is it causing anyone pain other than you.

Ive been hedonistic, lazy and self indulgent. I've also been the opposite.
In neither of those moments, has faith in god been involved in anyway.

If anything, it was my own imagination that propelled both states. So like I said, I will make my own gods, it's not like I need yours to enact the behaviors you seem to believe are only accessible through god, when they are, in fact, inherent to the human experience and have nothing to do with religion.

>The definition is set in stone, always has been and always will be.
Which is exactly why the facade is interchangeable, and thus irrelevant. Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism or my own gods, spirituality is accessible without faith in god. I know, I've done it.
>>May they eternally cope, and seethe as I create my gods
It's true, they can't cope and seethey cause they are not real. You however will seethe that you cannot gatekeep spirituality behind the a book made by men.

>>509435270
>We don't know why God allowed sin in the world, it's just a mystery we have to accept.

>i don't know why my self contradictory beliefs don't add up. but you know what? they don't have to make sense, ok CHUD

>>509435437
Self projecting your homosexual fetishes much?

>>509435550
Clearly, you haven't read the bible. Middle easterner. Your deportation is soon.

>>509435336
Im not mad. Im balls deep in your dads belly. Courtesy of jesus

>>509410394
Religious folk suppress theirs and project it outwards.

>>509435645
i'M nOt MaD, heh

>>509434731
>So you believe in some reincarnation doctrine in addition to god being perfectly good and all powerful?
Yes, God being good and omnipotent would logically necessitate the immortality and transmigration of souls, because goodness is the same as logic, and human consciousnesses undergoing destruction would be illogical, because that would violate the axiom of nihilo ex nihilum.

>If the assertion that all wild animal suffering is due to errors made by former humans, than how do you explain the ones that do not suffer
All of them suffer, to some degree, because they aren't capable of discernment or wisdom. Even a dog that lives a cushy and comfortable life loses its inner calm and has panic attacks when its owner is gone, because that dog suffers from attachment to something inherently transient. If he were a human he would be able to meditate and gain wisdom on the subject, thereby alleviating his suffering. But because he neglected that option while he was human, now he has to suffer through a life where that's no longer an option, to show him how great a gift that truly was. The degree to which the animal suffers will naturally reflect how hedonistic and neglectful they were in their past life.

>Are those people formerly good? How does this exactly scheme work. Does every person that dies reincarnate into an animal? Only the bad ones?
Being reborn as an animal is a punishment. The truly good souls aren't reborn at all unless they volunteer to come back to guide others, otherwise they escape material world altogether and transcend the suffering of rebirth. They'd go to a higher realm of existence similar to the Buddha realms, or Plato's world of Intellect.

>>509435622
What about it is self contradictory?

>>509435468
God is evil incarnated
He created a perfect adam and lilith
Lilith and adam saw him as the faggot he is and lilith escaped
Adam was gimped and eve was formed to curse him to be bound to god. Yea fuck that

>>509435522
Post your adress and god shpuld protect you "as no voilence shall prosper against you " correct? Whats your dads adress to be specific

>>509435758
>>Are those people formerly good? How does this exactly scheme work. Does every person that dies reincarnate into an animal? Only the bad ones?
>Being reborn as an animal is a punishment. The truly good souls aren't reborn at all unless they volunteer to come back to guide others, otherwise they escape material world altogether and transcend the suffering of rebirth. They'd go to a higher realm of existence similar to the Buddha realms, or Plato's world of Intellect.
POOJEET MY SON, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK. (You will be reincarnated as a cow)

>>509435845
HASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH

>>509435551
Jesua lost to a no named roman holdi g a spear
> le no weapon formed against mr shall prosper
As his hands and guts bleed

>>509409974 (OP)
You don't believe in yourself

>>509410813
Yes God is a He, you fucking Indian.

PoSt yOuR aDdReSs, kekekekeekekekekeekekekekekerkekekekekekek. DOOD I BELIEB IN REINCARNAYSHUNS I WILL BE REINCARNATED AS A BIG PILE OF SHIT IN THE STREETS OF INDIA

>>509435639
You say that as you occupy gaza

>>509409974 (OP)
Just fyi no where in the Bible does it say that your opinion matters

>>509435589
>Which is exactly why the facade is interchangeable, and thus irrelevant. Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism or my own gods, spirituality is accessible without faith in god. I know, I've done it.
You're confusing the label for the being. It doesn't matter if you call it One, God, Sunyata or Buddha. The highest principle is The Good, and you can only live a good life if you align yourself with it.

>You however will seethe that you cannot gatekeep spirituality behind the a book made by men
Try actually reading my posts. The best kind of man is a perfect fusion between Buddhism, Platonism and Christian doctrine. "Gatekeeping" isn't even on my mind. Truth is valued for its own sake alone, the tradition, names, labels or rituals don't matter in the slightest. Every single human mind is a fragment of the highest good and that goodness can only be realized by turning inward towards the divine nature we all possess.

>>509435950
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA TELL ME YOU ARE A FUCKING BROWN SKIN MONKEY WITHOUT TELLING ME

>>509436028
BOMB GAZA, BOMB PALESTINE, BOMB ISRAEL, BOMB INDIA. FUCK THE MIDDLE EAST. AYYYYYYYYYYYY LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>509435737
Your god is the only "being Capable of being mad accordinf to you cucks

>>509435737
You cant even ve mad. You hAVE to be what god says be

>>509436132
Go reincarnate back to India.

>>509436179
>misspelling
heh

>>509435758
So basically you are asserting the entire viscous cycle of mother nature is an elaborate punishment scheme for humans. That's a pretty wild view, but it makes more sense than vanilla abrahamic takes so I'll give you that one. I still have trouble excepting god is good and omnipotent in this framework because on the surface it still looks like a pretty vicious cycle of death. You've asserted that human souls cannot be destroyed. Alright but what happens when after they suffer as animals? Do they suffer forever or do they eventually just die for good? Is it possible to redeem themselves and come back as humans later?

>>509410121
Jews are your god's chosen people, which speaks volumes

>>509435886
You fake non believer

>>509435270
>We don't know why God allowed sin in the world
Yes we do. Sin has to exist in order for free will to exist, and free will has to exist in order for virtue to exist, and virtue has to exist in order for our lives to have value. This "mystery" was already solved long before Christ was born.

SAAAAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEEEM, DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM AAA . DO NOT REDEEM CHRISTIANITY SAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR YOU WILL REINCARNATE AS COW URINE SOLD IN INDIA AMAZON MARKETPLACE

>>509436105
Your jesus got merked twice and will be back in
>2 weeks

>>509436237
When Indians die, God sends them back to India to keep living life over and over again love and die and reincarnated in India never ending cycle. Their demonic beliefs and rejection of God the Father keeps them out of the Heavens.

>>509436290
That's correct. I do not believe in reincarnation.

>>509436404
You are brown, with a heavy accent.

>>509436237
There is no definitive number of misspellings in the original biblical texts because the original manuscripts no longer exist. However, textual criticism, which analyzes surviving copies, reveals that the vast majority of the text is accurate, with variations largely consisting of spelling differences, word order changes, or minor omissions. Spelling errors, in particular, are a common type of textual variant found in the surviving manuscripts.
Your god demands we not spell i guess

>>509409974 (OP)
YAHWEH is a sick twisted fuck. Thing is though, yahweh isn't God

>>509409974 (OP)
I've tried explaining it to several anti theists and you all honestly aren't smart enough to get it. You have monkey brain that just reacts to the emotional impulses of what's immediately in front of you at any given moment. You're the nogs of belief systems.

>>509436539
words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words. Is this what leftist leaning idiots do all day?

>>509435950
He came back 3 days later.

>>509436333
Can you proove that? Why not just contain sin away?

>>509435776
That's apocryphal nonsense

This pretty much ends the argument. Christianity is as Jewish as it gets.

>>509409974 (OP)
>another USA flag thread filled with nothing but rage inducing American autism, ignorance, retardation, seethe, and slop
Retarded landmass filled with fat gays

>>509436488
Your god is making you see images in your head of brown men. Are you gay?

>>509410884
I can assure the earth is flat

>>509436638
No point in explaining shit to you. You are just going to negate, deny, ask a stupid question, gaslight, or ad-hominem. No point in a proper discussion with an illegal.

>>509436696

>>509436720
Can you post hand? Time stamp (Todays date, and time)

>>509436488
Why does your god even have brown men. Is it so your cuck fantasy can be achieved?
>my god will fill the earth with violent niggers hah that will show you

>>509435328
lol, no you're not. Funny outburst, though, little guy.

>>509436052
>You're confusing the label for the being. It doesn't matter if you call it One, God, Sunyata or Buddha. The highest principle is The Good, and you can only live a good life if you align yourself with it.
But that's my point, and that's why Princess Celestia watches over us all.
She raises the sun and she never sends money to Israel.

She's also very white. Can Jesus say the same? (Didn't think so)

>Every single human mind is a fragment of the highest good and that goodness can only be realized by turning inward towards the divine nature we all possess.
Yeah, that's a cope. There are genuinely evil people in this world without a hint of divinity in them. I find that idea repulsive, some creatures deserve to be wiped off without second thought.

Why do you even need to believe in this non sense to live your life anyway? None of these beliefs are mandatory to engage in anything one could deem "Good"

>>509409974 (OP)
You desire the good life but ultimately dont have it. Youre right to acknowledge that at some juncture its out of your power to determine if you get the good life or not. Is it fair to ask God to ensure that everyone gets the good life when few give him what he desires which is obedience? You look to God having the ultimate authority and power but you dont treat him like he is and you want to have all the baggage while you pay nothing. You have freewill and so does God.

>>509436803
Thanks for not denying it though.

>>509436592
>Christcuck has nigger videos saved to his media player
Im shocked

>>509436602
Wher

>>509436901
Get a better joke. Christcuck has been overused and overbeaten like a dead hose lol. You must be in cuckoldry porn.

>>509436747
The christcuck way. Just go get crusified instead of making me believe you as its easier and your just to fucking weak and lazy to try

>>509436945
It's where. Not wher.

>39 posts by this ID

>>509437037
*Crucified
That's how I know English is not your first language.

>>509436793
Can you?

>>509437123
Gladly, if you do. Porque tu eres un tremendo come pinga

>>509436274
It's not that wild, Buddhism, Platonism and early mystic Christianity all align with everything I've said. These ideas aren't just traditions or doctrines, they're logical necessities built up from the axiomatic fact that every effect has a sufficient cause responsible for it.

It is a painful cycle of life and death, but the key is that we all have the ability to escape at any time, through realization. Nothing else can ever be responsible for our happiness or our unhappiness other than ourselves. The wise man can always decide for himself that he values his virtue more than his pleasure or convenience, and thus find refuge and inner peace in the things he can control while renouncing the things that aren't rightfully his to control. Suffering only arises from desire, and our desires are our responsibility to stamp out. Anyone who can see that path clearly will also see that there's divine wisdom and justice in this system, and that suffering isn't being doled out unfairly or arbitrarily.

>Alright but what happens when after they suffer as animals?
Eventually they get another shot at being human, hopefully this time with a greater appreciation for what a rare gift it is. Ideally, this time they'll use their powers of discernment and premeditation to separate themselves from desire and attachment so that they can escape the cycle of birth.

>Do they suffer forever or do they eventually just die for good?
Somebody who really fucks up as a human and gives in to the extremes of attachment and vice won't even have the benefit of being reborn as an animal, instead their souls just float around in Psyche in their own private hell-realm until they work through their own delusions. They've turned inward, but rather than towards inner Truth they've turned in and away from inner truth, totally obsessed with their own delusions. A soul can never die permanently, but they might be stuck there a long time.

>>509436867
You thankful about more nigglets? You are truly one of jesuses followers.

>>509437232
Get a better signal on your phone. Mayhaps a better internet connection? You are replying old replies

>>509410121
Can you answer the question?

>>509437006
If yoy can show me any other religion except yours on a porn site i probably wouldnt watch it but id like to know qhere it was for arguements sake

>>509437349
First thing on your mind is sex. Must be pathetic watching pornography everyday and not being to interact with at least a single female that isn't your mother. heh.

>>509436638
I just did prove it, in the very post you quoted. Free will can't exist unless there's the possibility of choosing wrongly. Virtue can't exist unless there's a choice between right and wrong, and a person's life can't have value unless there's an objective measure of right and wrong in order to weigh their lives and actions with. The definition of each word presupposes the existence of each other word I used. It's a self contained, self evident argument that has no refutation. The proof is in the pudding.

>>509437099
Ypur right english was creqted by a shitzo jew in an insane asylm named webster. My language was stolen by christcucks who kille dall the white germans

>>509437310
I ha e hughes net. Fucking satalite internet and jews keep spraying that s.a.t.a.n sytem to make clouds so i gotta deal with it. Im inna woods

>>509437442
I can't with your broken ass English. Nigga, can you learn to write?

>>509437310
You got me here no cap
Spectim jew want 15k to dig the cables 2 miles and a 15 yeae contract and im simple to poor under the christian nation of jewsa

>>509436830
>There are genuinely evil people in this world without a hint of divinity in them. I find that idea repulsive, some creatures deserve to be wiped off without second thought.
What I said doesn't disagree with that. Just because human consciousness comes from the divine doesn't mean that some humans aren't evil, or that they don't deserve punishment. Even with a divine or Buddha-nature, human beings can utilize their free will to turn away from that nature and make themselves repugnant.

>Why do you even need to believe in this non sense to live your life anyway?
I don't "need" to believe it. I didn't choose to believe any of this because I wanted it to be true. I see it as a fact and I know it to be true, because this is where pure objective logic leads. Impartial thought leads to the same conclusion no matter who is doing the thinking. Same as discoveries in mathematics or geometry. Theology is an exact science with objective and immutable answers.

>>509437438
Its only white christian womn or niggers right. All christians support porn. Its in thr bible right mary cucking joseph

>>509437438
I have male children

>>509437206
None of what you said needs to be real for a person to live a good life, it's just a bunch of well expressed rationalizations seeking to make sense of chaos, alluring but ultimately just a deluded cope.

You are as delusional as I am for praising the sun, and it won't matter whether we agree with each other's views, provided our beliefs continue to help us cope in our private lives.

Look dude, there are no rabbits roaming around currently carrying the soul of George Floyd, okay?

>>509437441
Free will is fake. Lilith has free will because she left. Adam had his stolen and eve isnt even human

>>509437857
If you don't have a will then you can't be arguing with me right now, which means you concede the argument. Rejection of free will is a premise that terminates itself before it even begins.

>>509437554
Id had to study a schitzo insane asylmn patient named webster. You get what you taught.

>>509437554
You type in ebonic/schitzo

>>509409974 (OP)
simple rules to remember:
1. You are an immortal being, created by god who will live forever
2.you lived in the heavens before this physical incarnation and go back upon death of the body
3. god is a being of pure love, light and knowledge and he punishes no one
4. you chose to come here, you chose your family, you wrote your life and you wrote the conditions of your death.

you will realise upon death that life is just a game, you are running around your living room with a vr headset on screaming "MIRANDA THE REAPERS ARE FUCKIN HERE GET WREX NOW!!!!" then you die in the game your headset gets ripped off and you laugh about the whole thing.

>>509437979
God forced us to have this "pre determined debate" or he is a faggot that wants to sit back and watch.

>>509437789
I don't have any delusions, nor are any of the ideas I'm expressing what you would call faith. These are premises built up from logical necessity. They don't "need" to be real. They just are real, as certain as modus ponens or 2+2=4. Anyone who studies logic long enough will come to these same conclusions, that every effect must have a cause and that the first cause must be effectively perfect in order to be participate in responsibility for every effect.

>>509437979
>there is no good or evil
>haha i win thr debate im right your wrong
>god makes everything

>>509437206
To my knowledge, none of those assert that literally all wild animal suffering is actually just punishment for former humans. Sure, everyone's aware of basic reincarnation type beliefs, but I didn't think anyone went that far. But there's a gazillion sects to these things and sure I'm no expert. The big problem I have with this scheme is: how is a common man supposed to know this? Don't fuck your life as a human or you'll be eaten alive as a rabbit in the next life is something I'd like to know. Seems assholish of God to not at least inform us that it works like this. You've blended several views from differing religions together so it's not what someone could call mainstream or something you can reasonably expect the average person to stumble upon.

>>509437554
If you dont type like this schitzo perfectly you arent white even though he is jewish and whites speak any language we choose