Thread 509422228

Redditor was asking why not ban Metzitzah B'peh / "direct oral suctioning" after circumcision.

Redditor was told that the practice is justified, but the sources that explain why are not appropriate to share in English or in public.

What are the sources? What do they say?

https://archive.vn/K9aFH

Maybe this. The first quote in the article appears to be a translation from Yiddish

>>509422228 (OP)
I got banned from Facebook for posting about this. Like 30 seconds after the post my account was banned permanently

>>509423971

I'm not sure. A lot of similar stuff had already been discussed in the post.

The first post was a reply to this one, same guy.

He's happy to discuss all these Chazal but keeps one superchazal hidden from the public?

I don't get it.

>>509422228 (OP)
Bump. I want to know

>>509424744
That article cites this book. I imagine he specifically names the names of the specific "Chazal" he's talking about.

>>509422228 (OP)
>What are the sources? What do they say?
bump

>https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/20427/what-is-the-origin-on-metziztah-bpeh
>https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/18085/is-metzitzah-bpeh-a-must
It seems like there is not a clear source for this practice.

More discussion of sources here
>https://www.etzion.org.il/en/halakha/yoreh-deah/circumcision/metzitza-ba-peh

Bump for jew investigation

>>509422228 (OP)
It's not a big deal except to normies. Do a B'peh... get B'pehed. Whoopie. Listen to a Drake song on repeat for seven plus hours and then think about B'peh. You do do.

>>509422228 (OP)
Pikachu Nefesh condemns this controversial practice

>>509428271
>The Mishna (Shabbat 133a) states:
When the eighth day of a baby’s life occurs on Shabbat, he must be circumcised on that day. Therefore, one performs all the necessities of the circumcision, even on Shabbat: One circumcises the foreskin, and uncovers the skin by removing the thin membrane beneath the foreskin, and sucks the blood from the wound, and places on it both a bandage (ispelanit) and cumin as a salve.

>The Rambam (Hilkhot Mila 2:2) describes metzitza ba-peh:
Afterwards, one should suck the place of the circumcision until all the blood in the further reaches is extracted, lest a dangerous situation arise. [This step is referred to as metzitza.] Any [mohel] who does not perform metzitza should be removed from his position. After one has performed metzitza, one should apply a bandage, a compress or the like.

>>509428271

So we have a Jew guy speaking to another Jew in a Jewish space. He explains that there are Jewish religious texts that argue in favor of "direct oral suctioning", but these sources should be kept away from the public and not translated to English, presumably because wider knowledge of this text would anger non-Jews.

I come to /pol for answers and nobody knows what this source even is?

You all just hang out here going "hurr durr they run the medias"!?

Find and translate the secret Jewish book you fucking dilettantes. For fuck's sake.

>>509429484
This is less information than is available at the URL I posted. They discuss all this in great depth.

Only one source is not for public discussion.

>>509430263
Most orthodox kikes still do it, but most conservative and reform kikes use a glass or plastic rod. or something. Almost all kikes still practice penis mutilation, and that should be all you need to know about them to despise them.

>>509430263
I couldn't find any other reference to any "hidden source". I didn't know they have rule books other than the Talmud, though (Mishnah, oral law.)

>>509428099
Lol pedo rabbis made it up

>>509422228 (OP)
Who cares about this shit? Let them do whatever they want.

>In 1850, the governments of Austria, Germany and France prohibited the practice of metzitza ba-peh. This led R. Michael Cahn, rabbi of the German city Fulda, in 1887, to design a small tube which would enable a mohel to orally extract blood from the wound without direct contact.
lmao, it took them only 37 years to develop the penis straw
>Numerous rabbis reluctantly sanctioned its use, due to government pressure (Shut R. Yitzchak Elchanan 69)
>reluctantly

>>509431376
The baby gets herpes, baby brain is not strong enough. It gives them brain damage or kills them.

Way more important to preserve this very important and meaningful tradition though. Don't want to offend g_d!

>>509431713
Interesting. Thanks fren

>>509431713
Why aren't women more like rebbe?

>>509432296
Take a look at this, Bern
>A story from the field: In the fall of 1995, while working on my dissertation in Jerusalem, I learned that an important magical compendium by the 17th-century Rabbi Moses Zacuto, Shorshei ha-Shemot, had been published in the city. Strangely, the book was unavailable in stores and could only be purchased directly from its publishers.
>https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/forbidden-jewish-magic-books

I think we don't need a special Jewish book to explain what it really means.

It's a blowjob, put simply. The penis is killed (skinned), buried (bandaged) and emerges exposed and reborn. The erection goes along with the cutting and exposing.

>>509422228 (OP)
>the sources that explain why are not appropriate to share in English or in public

> Jew tag
Can we have that here?

>>509436345
Maybe a gold star?

>>509422228 (OP)
Jews worship Moloch

>>509436927
No retard, jews worship remphan using ritual molech among other things.

>>509433161
Has someone here ever read one of those "secret" books? Could someone tell some example of practical kabbalah?

KILL ALL KIKES

>>509423971
imagine. every single kike on this board that has replied, replies, or will reply to you, had their dick sucked by that old dude when they were babies. fucking foul, they've all been molested, that's why they're so fucked

>>509439590
Most Jews have never even heard of this, that's part the problem. It's a classic organization structure in cults. The inner circle who knows what's really going on and an outer circle of useful idiots who don't realize what the inner circle is really up to. Inner circle (or even inner-inner circle members) have to go through additional blackmail/hazing/indoctrination. In this case, that's actually carrying out the act of sucking the mutilated penis. Just as someone circumcised is going to have a psychologically harder time leaving the cult ("If Judaism isn't true than losing my foreskin was for nothing; I don't want to think about that!"), someone who's carried out oral suction circumcision is going to have an even harder time. The same is true for the parents, relatives, and other enablers.

Professional scammers and conmen use the same psychological technique. Once someone has bought in a little bit into the scam, the odds of them breaking out drop dramatically because they don't want to admit the loss.

>>509440487
huh? brother i live in jew york, every jew knows this

>>509440693
not to mention a lot of new yorkers. you hear about that shit in school or from your parents. they have bris ceremonies. i just thought it was spell moil cause you always hear them say it like that

>>509440693
Many Jews in NY sure. That's because of the concentration of orthodox there who are the main practitioners.

>>509440899
its only orthodox? I thought all of them got it

>>509440872
I'm talking about oral suction not circumcision itself. Everyone knows about brises.

>>509440959
oh i just assumed that was always part of it

>>509438036
>Has someone here ever read one of those "secret" books?
Rosicrucians supposedly have some for general distribution among their members. AMORC saga made them delve a lot into kabbalistic magic

>>509422228 (OP)
no more foreskins
>>509437795

>>509422228 (OP)
The sources are Jewish sources by Jewish scientists paid by jews

>>509440992
>oh i just assumed that was always part of it
No oral suction is practiced only by some orthodox sects. I'm not minimizing how wrong that is (zero circumcisions of any kind would be the appropriate number) but as I said it is still largely unknown. poltards are probably more aware if its existence than most of the non-orthodox Jewish population.

>our talmud says it's okay so it's okay
>are you being antisemitic? stop asking questions, goy
>oy vey the chtuzpah of these gentiles

Pic-related is what they are hiding.

>>509441211
ah. ok that at least makes the non orthodox seem the slightest bit more sane

>>509440992
This guy has some excellent presentations on circumcision and gives excellent and rigorously constructed arguments against it. In this presentation he talks about oral suction among orthodox populations https://youtu.be/_D1LPT_P7_o?t=1386

>>509441373
I'd recommend picrelated for a good history of the subject. You can find it here https://archive.org/details/markedinyourfles0000glic

Here's an interesting interview with a nurse who became redpilled on circumcision and talks about how she had to psychologically recover and basically got PTSD after realizing what she had done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so8u5fPxXo4

Same channel has an interview with Glick, the author of picrelated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QkpFi64QO8

>>509441672
>and basically got PTSD after realizing what she had done
man I hate normalfags so much it's unreal, so nowadays they aren't even able to feel remorse for their actions, for them is "ptsd"

>>509441821
I'd watch the interview before passing judgement. Being tricked into sexually assaulting babies will absolutely give someone PTSD or some other kind of real psychological damage; I'm not trying to quibble about the exact terms. Obvious it would be best if circumcisions never happened, but in absence of that I'll take people like this woman who own what they did, repent, and try to fix the problem.

This is how Abraham our Father did it

>>509441456
ehh i'll take your word. i'm not cut thankfully. sorry for anyone who is

>>509442289
No it isn't. "Old testament" or biblical circumcision just involved cutting of the end of the foreskin and ridged band, "milah". Modern circumcision, or "periah", the total removal of the foreskin, was invented by rabbis in the 2nd century AD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah. If there is any historicity to the person of Abraham, he circumcised himself in a completely different way than Jews today. Fun fact: periah also required the foreskin to be removed by shredding it with sharpened fingernails and ripping them off by hand.