Thread 509423117

AFAIK this is the version on Trump's desk, with similar language for manufacturing. What does this mean for muh silencers? Will we still need to file a Form 4 (or Form 1 for manufacture) but it's free? Will the entire registration requirement be challenged now that the "tax" is absurdly $0?

>>509423117 (OP)
Do you have a link?

>>509424603
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-119hr1eas/pdf/BILLS-119hr1eas.pdf

>>509424756
OK I think I got it. Bump for time while I write out an answer.

>>509423117 (OP)
Still need the tax stamp, tax stamp costs $0. GOA is already in process of filing a lawsuit arguing that a $0 tax is a defacto registration which is illegal. This could actually completely fuck us because if suppressors and SBR's aren't removed then there's nothing stopping the Democrats the next time they are in power from raising it back up "to be in line with inflation of the original intent of the tax" and making the tax $5,000 or more.

>>509423117 (OP)
Yes OP I think you're right, silencers and some other things would have a $0 transfer tax, but registration and approval for transfer would still be required.
The reason for this is the Byrd rule which prevents amendments to law in budget reconciliation bills that don't have to do with revenue/spending/whatever, so you can adjust taxes but can't do shit about the other stuff in the NFA not considered a tax.

>>509423117 (OP)
yes
all this does is remove the $200 fee
thats it

>>509423117 (OP)
>what does this mean?
it's a coupon for $200 off of using your god-given right.
i would pay $200 to not have to register.
is that the text of what was passed, or an old version?

>>509426504
>This could actually completely fuck us because if suppressors and SBR's aren't removed then there's nothing stopping the Democrats the next time they are in power from raising it back up "to be in line with inflation of the original intent of the tax" and making the tax $5,000 or more.
this.
this is exactly why i was so mad when they cut out the hpa and short act.

>>509427090
you still have to fill out the form and the ATF keeps it, even though it costs $0
many people thought it would remove suppressors from being a regulated device, but they got tricked

>>509426504
Raising taxes was always an option so if that happens I don't think there's any causal link to this bill.

>>509423117 (OP)
wait does this mean ghost guns dont need a tax stamp so technically they dont have to be registered since it says 0 dollars for all other devices?

Not filling out shit, suck my fucking nuts
Execute traitors
Hint: All pigs are traitors

>>509426504
So if the tax is $0 and inflation is 9000% then the new tax is $0

>>509427090
yeah God gave people the right to own a specific kind of weapon not invented until 10th century china

>>509427242
there argument is that if a $0 tax is no tax at all; it's just a registry--which is illegal.
before, they could say that they had to keep a record of who payed the tax or not, but now that no one has to pay, there's effectively no difference between the list of who has payed the $0 tax and a registry.

>>509427640
>God gave people the right to own a specific kind of weapon not invented until 10th century china
yes.

>>509427629
>So if the tax is $0 and inflation is 9000% then the new tax is $0
Exactly. It's the same as how jannies always get a 50% yearly increase in pay but it still works out to 0$ per year.

>>509427396
They have never needed a tax stamp you retard

>>509427674
I got that and I think it's a good argument.
What I'm saying is that I don't think the bill as is opens the door for Democrats to raise transfer taxes to thousands of dollars because there's no reason they couldn't do that at any other time.

>>509426504
>>509423117 (OP)
>>509424603
I'm ready to just make my own silenced sbr with AP ammo and kill anyone infringing in my right

I'm sick of this shit
Death to America

>>509427911
as it stands, it's a tax.
when the dems take back the reigns of power, they will simply raise the tax to some unreasonable amount.
the difference between a dem and a republican
is that dems are not to exercise power when they have it.
for better or for worse, they throw around whatever power they have.

>>509428102
*not afraid to

here's a question.
suppose i put together an sbr right now and don't register it.
what happens?
arguably, the moment i put it together the $0 tax was satisfied.

>>509428102
It always was a tax. The option to raise it has been there for the past century. It's not as if this bill modifies some rule saying that you can't raise or lower taxes; no such rule existed.

>>509423117 (OP)
They removed all the gun shit and added in more gibs for migrants when it passed through the Senate.

>>509428403
tell me that you don't understand human psychology...
now that the libshits see that the price of the tax can be changed, they will change it.
monkey see monkey do.

>>509427911
>fudd cope in anno domini 2025
They could do that anyway. Standing still is not a good defense; forward momentum is.

>>509423117 (OP)
>Will the entire registration requirement be challenged now that the "tax" is absurdly $0?
Yes. Day One. Screencap this.
And that Parliamentarian is going to be in the unemployment line.

>>509423117 (OP)
people who will register their guns like it's not a right are people they don't have to worry about killing them when they come to round you up. bolsheviks did this exact thing and you are gonna act like you couldn't have seen it coming

you WILL register because you still think your life is too good to throw away so they'll throw it away for you

you can always just stop being a pussy but you won't

>>509428709
if they didn't fire her before this
i don't see why they would now.
i wonder whose dick she's sucking
she must be world class.
she's making $240,000 a year as an unelected official--a democrat staffer under a republican speaker.

>>509428526
Maybe but it seems to me as though the antigun nuts have historically been pretty creative.

>>509423117 (OP)
They tried to remove it from the NFA but we're unable to, so they made the tax stamp $0 so that then later they can challenge it in court as SBRs and suppressor being at $0 for the tax stamp renders the NFA on them to be unconstitutional without any "but it funds the government!" excuse.

>>509429022
>they seem pretty creative
is that why, this year, they're creating, wait for it,
project 2029?
monkey see monkey do.

>>509428929
240k is car cupholder change for that power level. She's basically a front desk clerk, which is probably why she's there - nobody thought she was important enough to remove, and then someone had the idea of using her to do this.

>>509429356
i hope you're right and i'm wrong.
it's an appointed position; put a republican staffer in there.
she needs to go.

>>509428394
>suppose i put together an sbr right now and don't register it.
If you get caught with it I think it's a NFA violation which is 10 years in federal prison. And you have to apply for the stamp before you can build it (or at least you're supposed to).

If you don't get caught with it, nothing happens.

>>509427203
Flip side is if theyre no longer in the NFA, and if suppressors get declared to be accessories and not firearms, nothing stops every state in the nation from just banning it like several have done with FRTs.

>>509427629
In the '30s, the SC ruled the NFA was legal and didnt violate the 2nd because it's a tax. A $0 tax is not a tax.

>>509428526
>now that the libshits see that the price of the tax can be changed, they will change it.
They already know that, and they've already tried multiple times.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5103
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2427

>>509426573
....so why was the Byrd rule not applied to Obamacare?
Not to mention, repubs override of the parliamentarian on trans shit but not guns

>>509431423
They're still in the nfa. They're just exempt from the tax.

>>509426504
>>509427203
But didn't democrats try to raise it multiple times in the past, even under obama when they had the house and senate?

>>509427825
Inflation from the original $200, which means if democrats were to change it in the future then each stamp would equate to around $4,800.

>>509432939
My point is they're likely better off in the NFA under Fed regulation so the states cant fuck with them.

>>509432889
I have no idea, it took forever for me just to research the gun thing. This is why I probably couldn't handle being a lawyer.

>>509423117 (OP)
It's just registration now, lol.

Mr and Mrs America, turn them all in!

Gun fags are legitimately the most pathetic faggots alive

>>509433129
>democrats were to change it in the future
Yeah we already know this. They attempt to take the guns 24/7. They need a disarmed population to complete genocide and deal the final death blow to jewSSA. The only thing this country has going for it is 300 million guns, making ground occupation nearly impossible.

However, they found a loophole by importing infinity spics and nons to dilute the population into low iq subservient brown slaves. The jewSSA is basically cooked and balkanization is inevitable.

>>509433242
Kill yourself retard. States can still put their own regulations on NFA items. Many already do.

>>509432889
Obamacare got 60 votes in the senate so no. The rule making insurance having to cover pre-existing conditions was extremely popular and remains extremely popular. Its a pretty good law in retrospect the Jews in the insurance industry hate it.

>>509423117 (OP)
no tax, but still need to file the forms.
so a step in the right direction, but not a complete win.
Take the "W".

>>509432889
If I remember right, obamacare was pushed purely as a tax and budgetary item, not a policy change. Since it was a "budget", they got the loophole to just need the simple majority and not the 60 votes.

>>509428526
>libshits never knew it was a tax that could be changed until THIS VERY MOMENT when if you spend 30 seconds on any open gun forum you will see 500 instances of people complaining about the "$200 tax stamp".
you're fucking retarded. The left knows gunshit is a losing issue for them. It's why most of the restrictions are at the state and not federal level.

>>509433643
It's probably worse as it's a trap. Would have actually been better if set at $1. Hopefully struck down by courts as a restriction like the GOA are going to do, but Dems will definitely hike it when they get in control again.

>>509433736
>The Affordable Care Act passed the Senate 60-39 along party lines on December 24, 2009
Crazy to think how massive the post 2008 crash dem supermajority was. But the ACA was literally passed with a supermajority, but only democrats voted for it.

>>509433981
>but only Democrats
and John McCain.

>>509426504
That's why the gop did this.
They gave the dems something they found have only dreamed of.

>>509434940
He opposed it in the 2009 vote.