Thread 509429069

>The ancient Greeks practiced an institutionalized form of pederasty where men were paired with boys in a sexualized, pedagogical relationship
>In Rome it was common for men to have sexual relations with boys, including various emperors; although later laws prohibited sex with freeborn boys, these laws were rarely enforced
>The majority of men in Renaissance Florence according to court records were implicated in sodomy with boys
>In Japan both Buddhist monks and Samurai practiced ritualized pederasty, these relationships were characterized by intense, mutual love; the practice continued until the Meiji era
>The Chinese practiced it for millennia, only gave it up in the 19th century due to upsetting Westerners
>Accepted practice in Korea for millennia, kings and nobility openly kept "boy-wives"
>The ancient Celts practiced pederasty according to various Greek and Roman sources
>Until the 19th century, it was common in Muslim societies; attraction to boys was viewed as common and comparable to attraction to women; although technically forbidden by the law, men still had sexual relations with boys
>Various tribes in Papua New Guinea believe pairing a man with a boy to anally or orally "inseminate" them is necessary for their development
>During the Nazi expedition to Tibet, it was discovered that pederasty was widespread among the monks
>Missionaries during the sixteenth and seventeenth century noted that pederasty was common among the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incans
>Countless other societies and many tribes around the world are noted by ethnographers to practice or have practiced pederasty

Yet today, the practice is universally abhorred, the attraction viewed as aberrant, and instead of being viewed as a positive relationship which is conducive to a boy's development, pederasty is invariably viewed as corruptive and traumatic.

How did the opinions of so many past societies change on this matter? Is there any place in modern society for these types of relationships?

>>509429069 (OP)
white people

>>509429069 (OP)
Mankind has a sinful nature and is doomed without Christ

>>509431299
>mankind needs to worship rabbi yeshua ben pantera or else they are doomed

>>509429069 (OP)
you don't have to rape boys
>>509431299
you don't have to worship a jew

>>509429069 (OP)
Why was rape so common historically?

>>509432025
I disagree

>>509431902
>>509432025
If you reject Christ, aren't you no different from the jews that you hate so much? ;)

>>509429069 (OP)
More than 60,000 vases depicting interpersonal interactions between people, only 30 depict homosexual acts. Ancient Greek kings and statesmen would insult each other by calling them "boy lover".

>>509433118
>More than 60,000 vases depicting interpersonal interactions between people, only 30 depict homosexual acts.
They were probably destroyed by Christcucks over the years, also, irrelevant compared to the historical record.

>Ancient Greek kings and statesmen would insult each other by calling them "boy lover".
Source?

>>509433118
>>509433405
>no response

>>509433118
>>509433405
>>509435054
His silence is deafening.

>>509433405
Kinaidos, a common insult in plays and heated arguments, it means male prostitute. My sources? Plato, Xenophon and a Roman named Claudius. Plato's symposium, Plato's Laws and Xenophons symposium. Plato describes a scene where a group children mocked a youth for engaging in pederasty, stating "when lust isnt controlled it brings shame to the person and the citizen" why would homosexuality be mocked if it was accepted? Why were mentor relationships described as beautiful while sexual relationships were described as shameful and degenerative? Xenophon states "Erotic relations between student and mentor are strictly forbidden". Plato's symposium, parents would hire bodyguards to protect their children from "older citizens" which was a polite way to say pederast. Plato, again "male and female where conjoined for procreation, the relation of female with female or male with male is an outrage of nature, and a capital surrender to lust". Claudius Aelianus "In Sparta, neither the mentor nor the student dared to be lewd, as it was counterproductive, those that succumbed to lust, were exiled or killed". Also I lied about the vases, we have at least 100,000 and approximately 13 depict homosexuality. The source I used for my first post was from a Jew. Sorry I didn't find this thread interesting, it's been posted hundreds of times.

>>509433118
>>509433405
>>509437168
#rekt

>>509437168
>Kinaidos
Not a word that refers to pederasts.

>it means male prostitute
It means effeminate.

>why would homosexuality be mocked if it was accepted?
Plato laments the fact that pederasty is legal and accepted in his Laws. Plato's opinions are not reflective of mainstream opinion, he's a philosopher. In his earlier works, he was actually supportive of pederasty.

>Xenophon states "Erotic relations between student and mentor are strictly forbidden".
He never says this, he states that it was the opinion of the legendary lawmaker of Sparta that pederasty should be chaste, and he continues to state that it is legal to have sexual relations with boys in the majority of Greek cities, and that this is not associated with negative outcomes.

>parents would hire bodyguards to protect their children from "older citizens"
Which just goes to show how prevalent it was.

>Claudius Aelianus "In Sparta, neither the mentor nor the student dared to be lewd, as it was counterproductive, those that succumbed to lust, were exiled or killed".
This is suggestive that it was expected for men to be sexual with boys, and that it was expected that men would feel lust towards boys, and that Sparta was an exception where men were forbidden from engaging sexually with boys. Regardless, other sources actually describe sexual pederasty as being practiced in Sparta, so the practice was not prohibited for the entirety of Sparta's history.

>>509438243
Pederast as a word isn't properly defined and is based on something that doesn't exist

the very word they invented to describe greek homosexuality, pederasty, isn't even real

>>509438339
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/wordfreq?lang=greek&lookup=paideraste%2Fw
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/wordfreq?lang=greek&lookup=paiderasti%2Fa

>>509429069 (OP)
>institutionalized form of pederasty
thats where you are wrong
it was scoffed at and only had very vocal and powerful supporters of taking a platonic mentorship and turning it gay

>>509437168
>why would homosexuality be mocked if it was accepted
In Gorgias he talks about Socrates and Callicles faggot younger bf

>>509438413
In greek it means something completely different

>>509438511
cont. I mean he doesn't talk about it as if it was abnormal or everything. He says something along the lines of "I love philosophy just like I love the young X and you love the young Y"

>>509438524
It doesn't.

>>509438243
>>Kinaidos
>Not a word that refers to pederasts.
>>it means male prostitute
>It means effeminate.
My apologies, gay means happy, homosexual men arent faggots, that is but a bundle of sticks. Amazing. AI?

>>509438638
it does, don't be retarded

>>509438663
It doesn't refer to pederasts, the Greeks didn't believe attraction to boys was an effeminate characteristic. You are projecting your modern Judeo-Christcuck understanding of sexuality onto ancient peoples.

>>509438707
What is your evidence that the words which translate to the "love of boys" and "boy lover" were not used with a sexual connotation? Why is the word always used in a sexual context?

>>509438941
greeks had a word for homosexuals it meant "those that defile themselves and others" none of these "pederasts" have ever been called homosexuals, and actually they were in very high standing in greek society. That's because they weren't sexual relationships

>>509438941
Fucking hell, when you want to bark at me it's "not all Greeks", when you retreat it's "all Greeks were like this". I specifically said male prostitute, it was an insult like "hey faggot", male prostitutes were often effeminate (shocking) and if you were acting like a woman or a faggot, you got called kinaidos. Why did you create a pederasty strawman when my argument has plenty of material to engage with?

>>509439164
>greeks had a word for homosexuals it meant "those that defile themselves and others"
Source?

>none of these "pederasts" have ever been called homosexuals, and actually they were in very high standing in greek society.
The word specifically refers to a form of homosexuality, and many pederasts, such as Alexander, were in very high standing in Greek society because the practice was accepted:
>There Nabarzanes, having received a safe conduct, met him [Alexander], bringing great gifts. Among these was Bagoas, a eunuch of remarkable beauty, and in the very flower of boyhood, who had been loved by Darius and was afterwards to be loved by Alexander; and it was especially because of the boy's entreaties that he was led to pardon Nabarzanes.

>It was in fact at this time that Alexander gave loose rein to his passions, and changed continence and self-control, eminent virtues in every exalted fortune, to haughtiness and wantonness. ...
>Three hundred and sixty-five concubines, the same number that Darius had had, filled his palace, attended by herds of eunuchs, also accustomed to prostitute themselves.

>Therefore he [Alexander] received the envoys of the Sakai courteously and gave them Euxenippos to accompany them; he was still very young and a favourite of the king because of his youthful beauty, but although in handsome appearance he was equal to Hephaestion, he was not his match in a charm which was indeed not manly.

>For when he had honoured all the friends of the king with gifts beyond their highest hopes, to Bagoas, a eunuch who had won the regard of Alexander through yielding his body, he paid no honour, and on being admonished by some that Bagoas was dear to Alexander, replied that he was honouring the friends of the king, not his harlots, and that it was not the custom of the Persians to mate with males who made females of themselves by prostitution.
- The Histories of Alexander the Great by Curtius Rufus

im glad the turks genocided all the greeks bloodline

>>509429069 (OP)
All jewish lies btw

>>509439571
No, pederasty doesn't mean a type of homosexual or there would have been a single instance in greek history where they were called homosexuals

>>509439531
>Why did you create a pederasty strawman when my argument has plenty of material to engage with?
You are conflating pederasty with adult-homosexuality and effeminacy. You originally claimed that ancient Greek kings and statesmen accused others of being pederasts as an insult, which you never substantiated.

>>509439664
Turks did it as well, on Mehmed the Conqueror:
>In Prusa Bayazid enjoyed the many fruits of good fortune and reveled in the daily homage of many nations. He lacked nothing that was beautiful from the coffers of the nations, either in animals or in metals or anything of pleasing aspect, given by God to the world; all were to be found in his treasuries. Boys and girls, selected for their unblemished bodies and beauty of countenance, were there-young and tender youths, and girls who outshone the sun. From where did they come? Romans, Serbs, Vlachs, Albanians, Hungarians, Saxons, Bulgarians, and Latins, each speaking his own language and all there against their will. And Bayazid, living idly and wantonly, never ceased from lascivious sexual acts, indulging in licentious behavior with boys and girls
- The Decline and Fall of Byzantium by Doukas

>>509440514
Henry Blount, an Englishmen recounting how Ottoman Turks kept catamites in 1634:
>The several Courts of the Bashas were served in great state; each of them had three or fourscore Camels, besides sixe or seven score Carts, to carry the Baggage: and when the Basha himself tooke Horse, he had five or sixe Coaches, covered with Cloth of Gold, or rich tapestry, to carry his wives; some had with them twelve or sixteene; the least ten, who when they entred the Coach, there were men set on each side, holding up a rowe of tapestry, to cover them from being seene by the people, although they were after the Turkish manner muffled that nothing but the eye could appeare: beside these wives, each Basha hath as many, or likely more Catamites, which are their serious loves; for their Wives are used (as the Turkes themselves told me) but to dresse their meat, to Laundresse, and for reputation; The Boyes likely of twelve, or fourteen years old, some of them not above nine, or ten, are usually clad in Velvet, or Scarlet, with guilt Scymitars, and bravely mounted, with sumptuous furniture; to each of them a Souldier appointed, who walkes by his bridle, for his safetie: when they are all in order, there is excellent Sherbets given to any who will drinke: then the Basha takes Horse, before whom ride a dozen, or more, who wit ugly Drums, brasse Dishes, and wind instruments, noise along most of the Iourney: before all, there goe Officers, who pitch his Tent, where he shall dine or lodge: when meate is served up, especially at night, all the people give three Shoutes: These are their chiefe ceremonies I remember.
- A Voyage into the Levant by Henry Blount

>>509440514
Realize that pederasty is never one referred to as homosexual activity despite homosexuals claiming it proves greece was a homosexual utopia.

This is why you say "conflating pederasty with adult-homosexuality " because there isn't a actual definition for what sort of behavior fags are trying to say greeks engaged it

Friendly reminder, christcucks, or should I day christKIKEs.

>>509440776
>Realize that pederasty is never one referred to as homosexual activity
Refer me to a single passage in which pederasty is not implied to be of a sexual nature, you haven't provided a single source for any of your claims.

>>509440904
There isn't a single passage where pederasty is referred to in a homosexual manner, it's completely made up

>>509431299
They hate you because you're telling the truth

OP speaks as if he wants to make whores of the nation's daughters and catamites of its sons. What kind of person does this? Would they accept such a fate for their own children?

>>509431299
spbp
†

>>509431299
Harleys are all image, the japs make way better cruisers.

>>509441496
Every single quote in this image apart from the Plato one is taken out of context. Xenophon is referring to the opinions of a legendary lawmaker, he continues to state that pederasty is legal in the majority of cities, mentioned here >>509438243, Alexander is saying that in response to being offered to purchase boy sex-slaves, the work from which that quote is from describes Alexander as a pederast, having a boy-beloved named Bagoas:
>Moreover, when he came to the royal palace of Gedrosia, he once more gave his army time for rest and held high festival.
We are told, too, that he was once viewing some contests in singing and dancing, being well heated with wine, and that his loved boy, Bagoas won the prize for song and dance, and then, all in his festal array, passed through the theatre and took his seat by Alexander's side; at sight of which the Macedonians clapped their hands and loudly bade the king kiss the victor, until at last he threw his arms about him and kissed him tenderly.

Aristophanes was a playwright, that quote is not his own opinion, but rather, the opinion of a character in a play. The Aesop quote is a humorous jab at effeminate homosexuals, which is hardly a condemnation of pederasty:
>When Zeus fashioned man he gave him certain inclinations, but he forgot about shame. Not knowing how to introduce her, he ordered her to enter through the rectum. Shame baulked at this and was highly indignant. Finally, she said to Zeus: ‘All right! I’ll go in, but on the condition that Eros doesn’t come in the same way; if he does, I will leave immediately.’ Ever since then, all homosexuals are without shame.

Aeschines was himself a pederast, who only took objection to Timarchus' prostitution of himself, he makes it clear in Against Timarchus that he doesn't take objection to pederasty, and the Aristotle quote is in regards to sexual passivity, he actually makes a positive comment on pederasty in the same work (Nichomachean Ethics).

>>509440821
Possibly the greatest image this shithole has produced

>>509441967
Every quote to prove greek homosexuality is taken out of context

That thing about aztecas and mayans is one of many Spanish lies, a black myth to justify their invasion and atrocities against our people, like the exaggeration of human sacrifice and the false accusations of cannibalism. They are the real monsters, rapists and evil monsters.

>>509442405
romans did the same thing

>>509429069 (OP)
HOT TAKE ALERT
>>>WARNING: HOT TAKE INCOMING
the majority in any society have always been degenerate. It is only in what ways they are degenerate that ever changes.

>>509442405
you so easily forgt that cartels exist? disgusting levels of barbarity are in your blood.

>>509442719
ritual sacrificing was surely a thing, but not to such a scale as described, point being it's exaggerated

hundreds of years ago when uneducated people read greek works they were puzzled at the idea of being called "one who adores boys" especially in a post christian chaste society.

But nobody here is actually intelligent enough to figure out what pederast actually means and what was the function of these relationships

Here's a hint to you uneducated retards

>>509440514
>You originally claimed that ancient Greek kings and statesmen accused others of being pederasts as an insult, which you never substantiated.
It happened often during the greco-persian wars, during the second Persian invasion of the Greek heartland, Athenian statesmen, generals, admirals and diplomats had to cooperate with Spartan generals, adimarls, diplomats and kings. During a meeting of the Greek coalition an argument erupted over troop deployment, an Athenian statesman lost his cool, and called the Spartan king a boy lover in a mocking tone. My source? Christkikes destroyed it, oh no. Funny how you completely ignored the vases, hard to dig through all of that, no AI to help with that. Oh no, anyway.

>>509443969
Can you provide an actual source?

>size difference
hnnnggh

>>509444031
Are you Jewish?

>>509444031
The punishment for homosexuality in greece was having a turnip shoved up your ass and hot coals thrown on your groin

>>509444137
>His silence is deafening.
Kek

>>509429069 (OP)
In some cities in some times under the general influence of some (((mystery cults))) to general disdain and hatred from most other cities during any of such times as it's occurrence. What you're talking about is a driving factor in basically all of their wars. Greeks would often naturalize captured slaves, Spartans would explicitly enslave helots they held in particular disdain, often for being boy-lovers. These practices are always signs of materialistic and hedonistic social decay. >>509429069 (OP)

>>509429069 (OP)
>>509437795

>>509430411
fpbp.

Before Christianity, whites were just a bunch of pedos and homosexuals. They still are, but at least some of them have a bit of shame.

>>509444137
Can you actually provide a source for any of your claims?

>>509444141
This "punishment" was only ever mentioned in a comedy, there is no evidence it was an actual punishment. Pederasty was legal in classical Athens. Leather Apron Club's videos, from which I know you are getting this misinformation, are poorly researched and have been deboonked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc4_36INQ5A

>>509444144
Already refuted: >>509441967

>>509444144
>no actual arguments

>>509431299
>>509430411
>>509429069 (OP)
the ancients and gay shit is invented and fake

>>509429069 (OP)
Ancient people were more barbaric, over time we made more standards for ourselves. Over time more standards meant more order and therefore civilization was able to thrive. Without rules, without order, we would have nothing.

>>509431299
>30 years
>no wives
>no children
>went with 12 men
>had a "beloved disciple"
>when he was captured by the Romans there was a young man nearby who ran away naked

>>509444761
>Can you actually provide a source for any of your claims?
https://www.carc.ox.ac.uk/xdb/ASP/browse.asp?PageSearch=true
You can start here.

>>509445321
Irrelevant, you're making historical claims. Provide textual sources.

>>509445442
You don't know what a primary source is?

>>509443734
>"Teaching a boy must mean fucking a boy, Oy vey"

Freak. Squires began martial training at 14, they would learn directly and in the field with Nobles, Knights, and men at arms within whatever retinue they were serving, they would perform most general camp duties, engage in and learn about a wide array of martial equipment, fieldcraft, infantry and mounted combat, horses, foraging, and how to manage fighting and living conditions from basically the entire retinue and all the other squires that any knight and squire would ever interact with. They would learn the faces and standards of basically every important person in the region. from 14 until their late teens or early 20s, they learned absolutely fucking everything about being a retainer in its various stations and responsibilities, everyone has every reason to provide meaningful education to squires, who are the next immediate crop of retainers in what is complete immersion in a Catholic warrior society. They were nearly omnipresent in the martial world for hundreds of years dude, they weren't there as fucking sex toys, it's just long form boot camp and field training, you dirty pedophile revisionist, you.

Trying to use gay faggot sex magic to project your will into a child is really quite out of place in the medieval world.

>>509445442
Do you know what a primary source of information is, you fucking retard.

>>509445517
Provide textual sources for the claims you made here >>509443969 and here >>509437168

>>509445581
The guy you are responding to has been arguing that the Greeks didn't have sex with boys, dumbass.

>>509445678
Did he hit a nerve? Provide textual sources for your claims.

>>509431299
>Mankind has a sinful nature and is doomed without Christ
Mankind has a sinful nature and is doomed without some Jew? Get fucked rabbi. I'd rather be a faggot than follow your sackless religion.

>>509445782
Address the argument. How many vases depict erotic homosexual relations?

>>509445581
>they weren't there as fucking sex toys, it's just long form boot camp
he doesn't know what happens at boot camp.

>>509443734
Oh shit my bad g lmao.

>>509446018
"Don't ask don't tell" is much newer than the old Catholic "hunt them down and burn them alive". goyim are gay, we know.

>>509445920
Suppose I own several, what of it?

>>509446303
Anon... Its not what it looks like, it's for research, I swear! There's 100,000 vases and I have the only handful that depict ass fucking but I swear it's just a cohencidence!

>>509438243
Xenophon is not simply stating the opinion of Lycurgus, he is effectively stating what is the law at Sparta because the law = Lycurgus, and it's not an hyperbole, he is describing what every citizen ought to follow and get punished otherwise
of course, as Xenophon himself at some point remarks, the city strayed away from his law later on, especially as foreign money started to come in with some king I can't recall the name of

Nothing wrong with clappin' some bussy.

>>509445920
I accept your concession, you have no textual evidence to support any one of your claims and are now resorting to an irrelevant form of archeological evidence. Most of these archeological objects were not inaccessible since antiquity, it is likely the case that many artworks depicting homosexual acts were destroyed by Christians in the two-millennia since being created. If your claim that of 60,000 vases which depict interpersonal relations, only 30 depict homosexual relations (only .05%) then we know from the textual record that this is discordant with the percentage of Greek men who had sexual relations with males (both real and mythological), so the preponderance of homosexual acts being depicted on objects can be disregarded as representative of how common these relations were.

>>509446514
The figurine in the Grecian butt sex cum vase is also a coincidence.

Some gay eccentric Satanist probably did that actually.

In many ways, ancient gay Satanist mystery cults have continuity with modern gay Satanist mystery cults, they probably have a ton of their ancient faggy artifacts in wait to plant whenever they want to spin a new gay general historical narrative revising how they cowered in the shadows and in Jew tunnels for an open faggot paradise across antiquity.

I don't think the faggot vases were out in the open back in the day, I don't think any potter would want to be associated with it.

>>509446864
You don't know what a primary source of information is, that's okay, you're a bit retarded, I provided both artifacts and texts from the time period, all you can do is "probably". Cope, seethe, dilate. Provide evidence of ass fucking in ancient Greece, Jew. The actual percentage is 0.035% of Greek artwork from the period of 1000bce to 400bce depicting explicit homosexual acts.

>>509446595
also the translation is off, it doesn't say in «most», it says in «many» Greek cities it's permitted, it's not a minute detail, especially since he explicitly mentioned that in some cities it's wholly prohibited to even talk

>>509447142
You jest but that is how we found some of the vases depicting homosexuality, pedophilia and bestiality, hidden, usually deeper than the other vases. I do apologies I use the royal "we" loosely, my colleagues do the excavation.

>>509447334
Even if there were more gay vases, and faggotry has a more open and artistically references presence, they'd have been generally excluded from finds and public records. In mainstream modern archaeology, they've been kept by faggots rather than our forward, or they were destroyed contemporaneously, having existed in unstable environments, not kept as trophies, not maintained as well as other vases, not passed down between generations, the list goes on.

Whether or not this figure is a better representation of the vase production or vase maintenance is the question. Regardless, the ratio alone proves faggotry was not popular in ancient Greece.

>>509447334
>You don't know what a primary source of information
Yes I do, stop trying to avoid having to provide textual sources for your claims.

>I provided both artifacts and texts from the time period
You haven't provided a single textual source, you have referred to Greek authors (none of which supported your conclusions), but have not cited their works or provided any excerpts.

>The actual percentage is 0.035% of Greek artwork from the period of 1000bce to 400bce depicting explicit homosexual acts.
Is this as a percentage of artworks depicting sexual acts or interpersonal relations?

>>509447386
Source?

>>509447535
>You jest but that is how we found some of the vases depicting homosexuality, pedophilia and bestiality, hidden, usually deeper than the other vases
Then this is suggestive that the objects depicting homosexuality which were accessible in the last two-millennia were more likely to be destroyed than ones which did not, confirming my theory. This would have obviously been the case considering Europe was overtaken by a Jewish religious sect which harshly proscribes homosexuality since the creation of those objects.

>>509447535
I do not jest, sir
>>509447978

>>509447992
>Source?
I read ancient Greek, but just to be sure I checked also a couple of translations in French and Italian
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Gouvernement_des_Lac%C3%A9d%C3%A9moniens_(Trad._Talbot)/02
https://www.academia.edu/31820367/La_Costituzione_degli_Spartani
if he wanted to say most he'd say ἐν πλείσταις not ἐν πολλαίς

>>509447992
Are you suggesting the modern field of archaeology's origins in Victorian poofs looting ruins wasn't gay enough for Greek vases?

>>509448234
Why do all translations published by scholars in English disagree with your interpretation?

>>509429069 (OP)
>Various sources
Can you name these sources for reference?

>>509439664
>im glad the turks genocided all the greeks bloodline
gay turk roach hands wrote this

>>509448395
Jews, fags, cults, Jew fag cults, that sort of thing.

Any spycam voyeur creepshots of twinks in public or locker room?

>>509448395
>all translations published by scholars in English disagree with your interpretation
you are wrong on that too, which makes it clear you are clueless

>>509448478
Turks are unironically the faggots that established the connection with boyfucking with the Greek world, mostly by fucking Greek boys. Those fuckers are as bad as the Jesuits.

>>509448600
Turks are also freemasons too.

>>509448395
The people that claim greeks are gay aren't experts in their field and they make broad assumptions about shit they have no idea

>>509448600
turks, mudslimes, jeets, kikes, and niggers are the biggest liars and hypocrites
>I am not gay but I fuck boys in the asss!!
This world needs billion nukes going off.

>>509448575
The majority of translations, and most scholars agree that Xenophon meant "most".

>>509448673
Hamites as a race are usually evil, Anatolia, southern europe, and the near East and east Africa is full of the fuckers. They basically always do this shit.

Turks themselves are bad enough, it's all that fucking Hittite DNA. Theyre inherently perverse and dishonest people.

>>509448799
now your cope is getting beyond embarrassing, just take the L and move on

g*eek diaspora fags btfo by reality

btw if you read Latin and want to laugh at the absolute state of english-speaking so called academia, check this out https://brill.com/view/journals/viv/58/4/article-p357_10.xml

>>509448750
I think were gonna have to do it by hand, house by house, town by town.

>>509448799
Spartans had the most extreme form of pederasty, if they were saying no gayness was tolerated that means your narrative doesn't float.

>>509447978
>they'd have been generally excluded from finds and public records. In mainstream modern archaeology, they've been kept by faggots rather than our forward
Thats an interesting idea, it would depend on who was recovering the artifacts I suppose, for example, if you were an ottoman, finding Greek vases depicting ass fucking would be great for propaganda "look at those degenerate pagans and their morals", I dont know, I feel like the secret societies of ancient Greece would be full of homosexuality like the problem pre-modern freemasons experienced, I don't believe erotic love in general was well regarded in post axial Greece, where stoicism and stoic ideals were becoming more prevalent.

>>509429069 (OP)

Straight White Non Jewish Pagans were probably against Faggots and Reptiles pushing faggot shit Anon... thus all of the different views and brutal fighting

>>509449087
clearly they didn't, it's not unfair to say that Lycurgus was somewhat in the golden mean on many things, between extremes, that's what Xenophon says too, he didn't prohibit it, but limited it to its main purpose, paideia, aka education
that's what can be evinced from Plutarch too, which e.g recalls an episode when the erastes got punished because the eromenos had yelled too femininely during a contest

>>509443969
I just wanted to interject that I hate the English.

>>509432197
Which one are you disagreeing with?

>>509449415
>recalls an episode when the erastes got punished because the eromenos had yelled too femininely during a contest

>>509449178
I'm not a pagan, however, from what I remember the Gaullic and Germanic pagans would sometimes (frequency and severity would depend on the tribe and the local druid Lodge) burn unfaithful women, women who lost their virginity before wedlock, men who "dishonored" a woman and homosexuals on a fire pit or inside a "wicker man". Grim.

The italian dude lost the discussion, he didnt vack anything up, his only arguments are 1) a made up number of how many vases etc depict homo acts 2) saying that in a passage it said many, not most.

>>509449799
I completely wrecked the anglomonkey on the Greek, sorry, also, lay down the Wodka, you are not seeing colors straight, there's an Irishman and me

>>509430411
Yes, white people have self control and didn't let homosex become their entire personality or needed capital punishment to stop

>>509449799
>>509449882

>>509429069 (OP)
Didn't English fags create a bunch of fake greek fag art in the 1800s?
I just assume these are forgeries until proven otherwise

>>509449882
You have done nothing but what i said. You are utterly clueless in the subject. Why dont you adress his passages on Alexanders loverboys?

>>509449799
Modern claims of Greek homosexuality are rooted in early 20th century sexologists digging up claims by Greek/Latin second language retards calling Greeks gay

>>509431299
>>509430411
>christkikes

>>509429069 (OP)
marriagable age was 9-12 on average for most of human history, it wasn't just the fags doing it

>>509450139
I have posted three different translations in three different languages demonstrating my point, the anglomonkey had to even back up by going from "all" anglo translations to "most". Sorry, your lack o counter arguments also makes it clear you don't know what you are babbling about. Concession accepted.
>Why dont you adress his passages on Alexanders loverboys?
I haven't even bothered checking it, stick to the posts

>>509449538
>Gaullic and Germanic pagans would sometimes (frequency and severity would depend on the tribe and the local druid Lodge) burn unfaithful women, women who lost their virginity before wedlock, men who "dishonored" a woman and homosexuals on a fire pit or inside a "wicker man".
The wicker man is mentioned by Julius Caesar and Strabo as a practice of the Celts, as a method of human sacrifice, and it is never claimed that homosexuals were among the sacrificial victims. Tacitus says "corpores infames", a phrase which he uses in other texts to refer to passive homosexuals, were placed under hurdles in bogs and drowned by Germanic people. There are various sources which claim that the Celts practiced pederasty:
>So too the Celts, even though they have the most beautiful women of all the barbarians, prefer sex with boys; as a result, some of them routinely sleep on their animal-skins with two boyfriends.
- Athenaios, The Learned Banqueters

>So that in such a state riches will necessarily be in general esteem, particularly if the men are governed by their wives, which has been the case with many a brave and warlike people except the Celts, and those other nations, if there are any such, who openly practise pederasty. And the first mythologists seem not improperly to have joined Ares and Aphrodite together; for all nations of this character are greatly addicted either to the love of women or of boys
- Aristotle, Politics

>>509448942
>‘Ergo’, ‘igitur’, and ‘ideo’ (therefore) are mistranslated as “now” (pp. 40, 51)
I don't know why but this one in particular is really funny to me.

>>509450288
Again resorting to most vs many lmao
Youre pathetic
You lost big time

>>509450305
How come you retards are incapable of understanding something somebody said that's old doesn't make it objective.

Do you think britons literally lived submerged in bogs?

>>509450378
look, I even found an old German translation confirming what I said
4 to nil, completely and utterly blown the absolute fuck out
not being able to stick to a point is also a dire sign of it

>>509450475
>How come you retards are incapable of understanding something somebody said that's old doesn't make it objective.
And now the cope commences, you arbitrarily deny all ancient sources which disagree with your Jewish moral system, and accept those which do not.

>>509450598
>muh single word which might have been mistranslated muhfugga

>>509450475
Off topic, but that's a misunderstanding of using pools of steeped woad in natural springs as a general anaesthesia and anti-bacterial treatment. They would also paint themselves with the woad liquid treated into a thick paste with caustic powdered lime, which turned it indigo to expedite the effect of the woads analgesic qualities, but this became conflated, as when soaked themselves they'd "dye" themselves green with woad, while also for painting themselves blue with woad.

Also, Caesar faced two massive southern British confederations during both of his invasions, the area wasn't practicing agriculture because they had stockpiled food years prior when they began preparations in response to the invasion of Gaul. Caesar wasn't making up propaganda when he said Britain was actively aiding Gaulish rebellions.

>>509431299
>>509429069 (OP)
Why did clergy rape boys from day one? There were books written about it in the 1000s.

>>509450305
I fucking knew it, AI. I was arguing with a bot, fuck sake. Incase anyone hasn't noticed the irony, Christian sources are bad because they were biased against the pagan gays, Roman sources good because they didn't have a bias against barbarians (fucking kek). I'm sure Caesar was very honest about the Gaullic tribes when he was desperate for justifications after his brutal and illegal conquest initiated on a flimsy cassus belli (Celtic tribes don't get the credit they deserve, they were experts in metallurgy and astronomy, they galvanized their swords with tin to reduce oxidisation, rain was an ever present hazard).

and btw, nowhere did I deny that pederasty was a thing in ancient Greece, it just doesn't give you the right to get basic Greek wrong, in fact, it destroys your credibility in the rest of your arguments, especially when you don't take the L andinsist
many vs most isn't a small detail, if I say most countries practice circumcision, I'm quite wrong, if I say many countries practice circumcision, I'm most definitely right

and regarding Greek, that includes the Irish when he implied that kinaidos refers to boy lovers, it doesn't, the anglo was right in that case, a kinaidos is a full grown adult bottom

off to bed, it's late, kill anglos, behead anglos, roundhouse kick etc....

>>509429069 (OP)
op is an aberrant fag and i heard fags like sage
shit recycled bait

>>509451025
Well yeah. The main motivation for invading Britain was because it was preventing the belgaes from falling, which are our closest relatives on the mainland

>>509451025
>as when they* soaked themselves they'd "dye" themselves green with woad, while also otherwise* painting themselves blue with woad.

Mobile posting is gay and Jewish, I know.

>>509451283
Britain wouldn't have fought so hard through the ages for a franco-dutch grey shithole if they weren't migrants from southwest Britain. I'm not a fan of the early modern nationalist theory of a gallo-germanic Belgium that also happened to have members in Devonshire with no historical account of a migration after the gallic wars.

>>509451245
>I'm sure Caesar was very honest about the Gaullic tribes
All of the human sacrifice he attributed to them, the worst of the accusations he made, has been confirmed by archeological evidence. Also, Aristotle is complimenting the Celts when he claims they practice pederasty.

>>509451257
>it just doesn't give you the right to get basic Greek wrong
I don't understand ancient Greek and I rely on scholars to provide English translations. Using a translation which prefers one word over another does not destroy my credibility, you attributing the practice of burning victims in a 'wicker man' to Germanic people, and claiming that homosexuals were included as victims, on the other hand, does destroy your credibility and exposes you as utterly clueless and historically illiterate.

>>509451576
Well I'm sure there were a lot of pre historic cross migrations considering our genetic affinity, so a little bit of pre-modern traffic wouldn't make that much of a difference. I thought most of it was prehistoric anyway

>>509451257
Fair, I thought Kinaidos meant "male prostitute", I concede, I need to do some reading.

>>509452008
Your confusing me with Luigi, you fucking retard. Genuinely illiterate.

>>509452301
The flag looks the exact same.

>>509429069 (OP)
niggers also practiced pederasty

>>509429069 (OP)
>why did a disgusting practice not catch on and fall off multiple times throughout history?
>why do faggots like OP over exaggerate and romanticize this shit?

>>509452425
The ID is different lad. Im tired, I concede on Kinaidos, I was incorrect. I enjoyed the thread desu.
Captcha:8HAH2

>>509452425
jesus christ lol

>>509452429
stupid google gemini and its political correctness

>>509452429
>whites are no worse than niggers
Yes anon, we know.

>>509429069 (OP)
Everyone likes a warm, soft hole to stick their dick into. It's unironically as simple as that.

>>509452429
Many people have.

>>509452429
Everybody on the planet practiced pederasty because it was how you raised elite troops and aristocrats

>>509453142
But you said this >>509450142

>>509453130
Sounds like to me like the artfags of the time lusting after aristocrat's pageboys

>>509429069 (OP)
In the Bible, God tells Jews to take little girls as sex slaves. What's your point?

>>509429069 (OP)
elites were always degenarates

>>509453644
Yeah I did. "Lover of boys" meant a mentor. Becoming an eromenos was to become an apprentice

Practically every culture has a practice of knighthood

>only form of entertainment back then was sex and watching men fight in arenas and bars
what did you think was going to happen

>>509429069 (OP)
it was rare in society ,common with elites(yes even samurai and even worse with jap aristocrats),and not significant enough to enforce laws or make laws against faggotry

>>509453925
Notice the similarities between the claims of samurai homosexuality and Greek, but nobody talks about squires for western knights. It's a purely western invention

>>509454033
what exactly do you mean? is it that its all lies made by westerners?

>>509429069 (OP)
Greeks and Romans believed having gay sex improves their strength and help them win battles.

>>509454532
Pederast was mistranslated like 400 years ago because ignorant people who are completely literal think "lover of boys" means homosexuality. All of the modern propaganda started in the 1920's with English/US sexologists. Ken Dover from Oxford wrote a very influential book in the 70's called "Greek homosexuality" about his interpretations of Greek pottery, which he has no background in.

He was basically like "yeah that looks gay as fuck" when looking at religious depictions

>>509431299
antinationalist scum

>>509429069 (OP)
it was give me any age and i will show you the gay porn made by its elites.
There is nothing new under the sun most greeks would execute homos except for the ones with enough money to buy personal armies.
>tldr faggots with money have been trying to normalise sodomy among the masses since time immemorial.

>Britanon provides factual, well-sourced, well-reasoned arguments
>Amerigoblins just seethe and repeat "NUH UH" in a myriad ways
This will never be not funny. Reminder none of the cultures of yore that had socially accepted homolust pressure release mechanisms came up with ludicrous shit like LGBT idpol, gay marriage or trans rights. Yet it only took a century of perpetually repressed puritan kike moralism to swing the pendulum so badly there are now people who base their entire self-image around crossdressing and turd burgling now.

>>509429069 (OP)
>>509430411
>>509431299
I've answered op every day for a week now

Because pussy is disgusting and females are annoying